Cross Breeds. What is your opinion.

(153 Posts)
MrsDeVere Fri 19-Oct-12 17:49:06

I am NOT starting a bunfight thread and will not participate in one. If it goes that way I will simply hide this thread and not come back smile

I am genuinely after people's opinions and their reasoning.
I have noticed on threads that there seems to be a general dislike of cross breeds. Not the actual dogs, I am sure you all love the individual dogs, but the idea of them.

Is it only the 'designer' crosses that are the problem? If so I can understand that. But I dont get the problem with genuine mongrels.
But then I understand the problem with people not getting their dogs neutered and I suppose if they did, there wouldnt be any mongrels would there? <confuses self>

The reason I ask is because I have never had a pedigree and never had a desire to own one. I think they are perfectly lovely but I would be happy if all dogs were mixed (dont hurt me).

I had a proper Heinz 57. He was simply the best dog ever. Collie size, retriever type coat, head like a flat GSD and the best natured dog I have ever met.
We had a ChixJRT (we think) who we got when she was 7 from DGM who was going into sheltered housing. She was a bloody nightmare but lovely. Escapee extraordinaire and lived till she was about 19.
I have a terrier cross. Quite a big body and little legs. He is now about 15-17 and living with my DS who he adores.
I have a chi x pom (klein) who is lovely, no trouble, never runs off, ignores other dogs and loves the DCs. He is 3.

All of my dogs have been rescues apart from the Chi x. I wanted a puppy and had small children so knew it would be almost impossible to rehome (from past experience).

I did a lot of thinking before chosing a cross breed type. I wanted a small dog without any terrier. I think I am a responsible dog owner. My dogs are all neutered, trained, chipped, wormed and vaccinated.

I would like another dog at some point but am confused as to how to go about it. I would gladly take a puppy from a rescue but what are my chances?
If I buy one from a private home am I encouraging feckless owners or helping solve a problem by homing an unwanted puppy?

Is there a way of doing this the right way?

MrsDeVere Fri 19-Oct-12 18:28:06

Oh right! Because I have vetoed bunfights no-one will join my thread hmm
grin

kilmuir Fri 19-Oct-12 18:31:58

i have had rescue pedigree and rescue cross breed. no difference. more important to me they are from a rescue

tittytittyhanghang Fri 19-Oct-12 18:35:44

I have nothing against them and am a bit hmm at people who do, especially when they go on about the price of them and more specifically irresponsible breeders. << As in there are plenty of irresponsible breeders, pedigree and non, so don't understand why anyone would home in on cross breed breeders itms.

clam Fri 19-Oct-12 18:45:39

I suspect people with strong opinions are too busy throwing punches on that other thread at the moment.
But knowing the doghouse as I do, I'll be really surprised if this can be a calm, rational discussion.

(I have a cockapoo and will not apologise for the fact)

WereTricksPotter Fri 19-Oct-12 18:49:11

I don't mind them. A dog is a dog.

I do mind people who deliberately breed mongrels and charge extortionate prices for a crossbreed with a fancypants name. I mind very much when they do this on a large scale via puppy farming. I would like to see heavy penalties for puppy farming.

I mind when people don't bother to get their dog neutered and bring more unwanted puppies into the world.

twooter Fri 19-Oct-12 18:50:21

I don't know what the problem is. I've worked with dogs in the past and often would see one which would be 'my type'. They were invariably never pedigrees, but IMO, lots cuter and had great personalities. There are very few pedigrees that do it for me tbh.

twooter Fri 19-Oct-12 18:51:38

Agree completely with weretrickspotter too.

twooter Fri 19-Oct-12 18:54:11

Although, I don't mind breeders breeding labradoodles etc, if they do all the pre-mating tests, and are doing it in a controlled manner without churning out a litter of pups per bitch each year.

monsterchild Fri 19-Oct-12 18:54:35

I think mongrels are the best dogs evah! I've only ever had mongrels, but Dh had a lovely Golden, and I can understand why you'd want a dog like that now.

I think it's the not neutering, unwanted puppy making that gets people going more than the thought of mongrels.

Also, if you do have a job in mind, I assume pedigree dogs are better, just because they are bred for that purpose. Not that any individual might excel, but if you have a collie, you know what you're getting. (or should).

I agree that many people in the rescue world don't like the designer mutts because as first generation mixes, they aren't as predicable, and if popular for looks may be more likely to be abandoned/neglected as owners may be getting for the wrong reasons.

MothershipG Fri 19-Oct-12 18:55:31

I think that most people who seem to have a problem with crossbreeds actually have a problem with unregulated breeding.

If dogs are randomly crossed there is no way to know anything about their medical background, an ethical breeder should only breed dogs with the best potential of health and the highest chance of avoiding hereditary diseases.

If dogs are randomly crossed it is harder to predict their behavioural and exercise requirements, so how can new owners attempt to get a dog to suit their lifestyle?

Most breeders that breed crosses do so without carrying out any of the health checks required for the individual breeds. If the breeder of your Chi x did, they are definitely the exception not the rule. sad

Many breeders of crosses appear to be in it purely for the money and in fact many of them are bred in puppy farms and the home the buyer visits is just a front. sad

The KC is far from perfect but there is absolutely no regulation regarding the breeding of crosses so breeders can do what they like with a bitch, starting her too young and breeding to the point of exhaustion. sad

Of course there are some mad dog people who just think crossbreed are inferior but I think that they are in the minority, although sometimes very vocal minority.

Is that what you wanted to know MrsDV?

WereTricksPotter Fri 19-Oct-12 18:56:15

I have to guiltily admit to owning a pedigree, from a breeder (not a puppy farmer).

Actually, stuff the guilt. I'd go for rescue next time grin. Looked into it, but none would rehome to us as DS was only 5 and I had a larger breed preference/not too bothered about background as long as training would show progress.

Cuebill Fri 19-Oct-12 18:57:51

No bun fight from me and I have no problem with cross breeds at all . But I have a major problem with people selling cross breeds at ridiculous prices and claiming them to be a breed eg labradoodles etc.

Matings from backyard breeders just out to make money and cashing in on the latest fashion is a major problem. There is definitely more backyard breeders in the "fashion matings".

However I think there should be a ban on all breeding of dogs until the number of dogs in rescue is lower.wink

LadyTurmoil Fri 19-Oct-12 18:58:01

I don't see why rescues wouldn't consider you. I know you have one young child but www.manytears.co.uk are willing to home if a suitable dog is on their books. I'm sure other rescues would too. I love some of the "street" dogs that are being rescued by organisations like www.romaniaanimalaid.co.uk/, www.streetdogrescue.com/ and k-9angels.org/. There are many more! I'd much rather have rescue mutt than a pedigree which cost so much and are liable to so many inherited diseases. I reckon if a dog has managed to survive on the streets of Romania then they're going to be pretty damn tough! smile

tabulahrasa Fri 19-Oct-12 18:59:04

I don't think anybody actually has an issue with crossbred dogs themselves - just unregulated breeding, of any type of dog.

clam Fri 19-Oct-12 19:07:51

tabulahrasa I think you'll find that plenty of people on here do have an issue with crossbreeds!

I'll tell you what my issue is with them - that people seriously think we choose them for the bloody silly names. To my mind, that's the most embarrassing thing - having to admit mine's technically called a cockapoo. Two rude names in one. I tend to just say spaniel/poodle cross nowadays.

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 19:09:26

Crossbreed fine. Accidents do happen. Situation isn't brilliant, but as long as owner takes proper responsibility than it's all good for the dog and the owner. Look at the poor mnetter whose dog came out of kennels pg.

Wanting a specific crossbreed "designer dog" and paying more than you would pay for a Pedigree that has been bred for the love of the breed, not so good. Pick a pedigree and investigate it. Don't hope for a magic dog that is the best of both breeds.

If you have a £1000 and really can't decide between a poodle and a retriever get one of each grin

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 19:13:12

Oh and I don't blame the people who think they want these dogs. After all they've been led to believe they will be getting a healthier dog as its cross bred and a socialised puppy because its from a "family home".

I blame the perpetrators of those myths though.

WereTricksPotter Fri 19-Oct-12 19:24:44

clam - we met a gorgeous moppet of a pup in the park once and asked what breed she was. "Spaniel/poodle cross" was the reply. DH said "Oh, a Cockapoo!" and the owner said "We don't call her that", rather frostily. grin

clam Fri 19-Oct-12 19:27:51

"led to believe?"
That implies that we're all dimwits who have no minds of our own in orer to be able to suss out facts/propeganda for ourselves.
I'm under no illusions about the health or otherwise of my dog. As it happens he's disgustingly chipper and in fine fettle. Also, he has the most fantastic temperament, but I like to think that that's because of how we've dealt with him. But he came out of the tin nice as well.

I accept that we may have just been lucky.

clam Fri 19-Oct-12 19:29:45

weretricks grin Been there, done that!

But if I had a pound for every time I've been stopped and had the Monstrous One cooed over and coveted I'd be a rich woman.

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 19:33:33

Clam

I did not call any one a dimwit grin

But I don't think having a go at some one who has a "designer dog" as I have seen on FB very recently fair.

It's one of those things people are told as gospel. They are the healthier option.

Its just the same as when people say if you buy a pedigree you are guaranteed a dog with a good temperament.

WereTricksPotter Fri 19-Oct-12 19:34:42

Just had a peek at him on your Profile, clam. Gorgeous! They remind me of Jumble, the dog in the Just William books. Bit Bearded Collie, somehow.

MeFour Fri 19-Oct-12 19:37:02

As all the dogs I've had have been cross breeds (rescue not intentional) I'm kind of biased

If I could pick a dog (rather than rescue) I would go for a lab collie cross every time.

I love my cross breed <ruffles bastard spaniel's ears>. I don't love the fact that he was bred on purpose so that the breeders could jump on the 'cute name' band wagon with no regard for his resulting health. I never refer to him as a 'sprocker', always a springer/cocker cross. I have seen 'sprockers' on Preloved being sold at £500-600 a pup. That's madness. I meet a lot of pups on the school run with cutesy 'designer' names. They are lovely dogs, but the prices some people are paying for a cross breed are shock.

StillIRise Fri 19-Oct-12 19:48:57

I have one of each. A mostly collie rescue and a kc registered from a breeder. I adore them both. Different reasons for getting each.
Crossbreed or pedigree i don't mind.

I do think people are bonkrrs for paying ££££££ for a deliberate mongral with a cute name.

MrsDeVere Fri 19-Oct-12 19:56:34

Blimey I go away for a sec and I get a million answers! grin

Thank you for your posts. I was getting confused about it all and I think I sort of get it a bit more now sort of a bit....grin

My chi x was from a family who had a couple of dogs and didn't neuter them. I am not condoning their carelessness but I got a lovely dog out of it.

I remember when I was a veterinary nurse a woman came in utterly perplexed that her bitch was pregnant. She hadn't been anywhere near any dogs. Oh apart from her brother but they would never do anything like that! (tru story)

My experience of rescues is mainly confined to Battersea and they are shocking at homing with DCs. The only reason we got our terrier x was because my youngest (at the time) was 8 and I had been a veterinary nurse.

There was a recently spate of stories about Battersea being awash with handbag dogs. I thought I could probably rehome one as I have become very fond of toy breeds/crosses. When I did a search they didn't have one single dog that they would rehome with a child.

I have to admit that I found having a puppy much easier than a rescue dog. He fitted in beautifully and was unfazed by the DCs. It was great knowing I was the one to socialise him properly and house train him, introduce noises, experiences etc.

But my heart says I should re-home from a rescue.

MeFour Fri 19-Oct-12 19:59:53

Mrs d.
I understand your dilemma as if we were to get another dog I would want a puppy. I could only hope we could find a rescue puppy.
We've done our share of coping with problems caused by previous owners

clam Fri 19-Oct-12 20:11:45

weretricks I wanted to call him Jumble, actually, but I was over-ruled by the family.

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 20:16:26

He is gorgeous Clam smile

I think I'll get a rescue next time. As a novice, I thought a puppy would be easier. Ha! <laughs herself to tears>

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 20:22:43

Chickens

Hah! The amount of times I've muttered

"that's the last bloody time I get a pup without seeing BOTH bloody parents"

Over the last few months is unbelievable. grin

grin I'm going for a nice, lazy greyhound next time. That's if I make it to the end of Jasper's natural. I might be knackered by then <forsees arthritis and lots of wear and tear>

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 20:27:51

I'm still hoping that in 3 2 years I'll have a nice chilled Labrador.

MeFour Fri 19-Oct-12 20:29:26

Oh chickens
My mum loves your blog
And why haven't you posted recently?

mistlethrush Fri 19-Oct-12 20:34:15

I've been looking for another dog over past weeks. What annoys me are the number of huskyx / akita x/ staffie x/ and bichon / chi / poodle crosses that have clearly been 'designed' on purpose for selling.

I will be getting another mongrel. We're going in a specific direction - but are aiming for a rescue - we'll just have to wait for the right one to come along. We're going for that mix because of the likely temperament and the activity levels etc that 'should' fit in nicely with our family.

ManyTears definitely do have dogs that are suitable for homes with small children.

HowlingOScara Fri 19-Oct-12 20:42:28

It's not cross breeding per se, it's any intentional indiscrimate breeding that I strongly object to.

IMO, anyone breeding has a responsibility to ensure that the dogs they are breeding from are not going to perpetuate any hereditary disorders in their offspring by doing all the necessary health testing. And that they take responsibility for the pups they produce for their entire lifetime by taking them back and keeping/rehoming at any stage in their life for whatever reason and not relying on rescue to pick up the pieces.

Personally, with over 200 KC recognised breeds in the UK (and many more foreign//imported recognised breeds readily available), I can't see a need for deliberate crossbreeding as there are already breeds to fulfil any criteria you can think of.

HowlingOScara Fri 19-Oct-12 20:48:13

Should add that I speak as the owner of a complete bastard of a crossbreed (rescue).

MeFour, I decided to shelve the blog for a bit. I'm down to three birds now and won't be adding to the flock for a while. It's all been a bit mental confused

MrsDeVere Fri 19-Oct-12 21:07:32

I am going to have a look at Manytears.
It will be all your lots fault if I end up with another dog.

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 21:11:19

Please post picture links that make you go aaaaaaw.

HoneyDragon Fri 19-Oct-12 21:11:47

Please feel free.

Sorry!

twooter Fri 19-Oct-12 21:26:00

Just been looking at the many tears website. So many gorgeous dogs. (Vincent, Roger and Carter are 'my type')

Actually can see why rescue people are biased against the fashion crosses now. They were quite heavily represented.

MrsDeVere Fri 19-Oct-12 21:26:56

not a cross breed but awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

www.manytearsrescue.org/display_mtar_dog.php?id=592

I want him.

MrsDeVere Fri 19-Oct-12 21:27:42

Yes I know he is 'funny looking'
But thats why I like him.

twooter Fri 19-Oct-12 21:27:58

(Vince not Vincent)

Rant alert klaxon:

a relative has a mixed breed type dog from a "well respected breeder" (their words not mine) that is the result of an accidental mating and has a deformed leg/So the price was reduced hmm.
Try explaining in words of one syllable or less that "well respected breeders" should take care to keep their on-heat females safe from the local 'talent'.
And she wasn't doing them any favours by charging them a cut=price. She was probably tickled pink to offload a potentially expensive dog (vet bills wise)

And an advert in a shop (yes the tried and trusted responsible way to sell dogs).
Mum: dane x mastiff (2 large dogs)
Dad : dog de dordongue (sp) x lurcher (which is itself a cross). So large dog x greyhoundx unspecified.

IIRC they wanted £450 for these adorable puppies (there were 8+ of them)
No Timewasters Please.

What's the chances they've now got 10 huge dogs in the house.
£450 for what is basically a 5 breed mongrel confused

midori1999 Fri 19-Oct-12 23:18:29

I love all dogs, crossbreed, mongrel or pedigree. In fact (and in mind of the other thread!) I love the 'nice looking' labradoodles. However, I would never choose a non pedigree that wasn't a rescue because so many dogs are being killed every year in the UK I very strongly believe that the only reason to be currently breeding is to preserve the breeds we already have.

Many rescues, especially smaller one's, will consider families for their individual circumstances, so do ring round and explain your circumstances. Lots of puppies, both young and older ones, in fact, especially around the 6-12 month old mark, in rescue of all types.

LadyTurmoil Sat 20-Oct-12 01:04:22

Just looked again on Many Tears. They've got a lot of new puppies, Westie x Cocker spaniels which are very sweet. I have a problem with MT seeming to perpetuate the huge breeding industry in Wales by accepting unsold litters and dogs which can't be used for breeding anymore (and are obviously knackered from many litters) but, on the other hand, the dogs would have a horrible future, or none at all, if there weren't rescues like MT to take them in.

CuriousMama Sat 20-Oct-12 01:24:21

Oh I wish I hadn't looked on Many Tears, I want them all! Most of them have such a sad look in their eyes sad

My dog's a rescue (lurcher) and he was very hard work to begin with but I persevered. He still has the odd problem but I'm working on it. He'd had 2 homes before ours when he was 16 months old.

If I were to have another pedigree it'd be a boxer from a rescue. But I do like crossbreeds tbh.

nooka Sat 20-Oct-12 08:13:25

Sites like Many Tears for me are the reason why I'm not keen on designer crosses (plus the ridiculous names, what on earth is wrong with saying that your dog is a cross between two breeds?). All those dogs bred because they were thought to be the in thing and then abandoned when demand wasn't quite what was expected.

I grew up with a pedigree Springer, followed by an unexpected Collie (champion working stock but incredibly nervous), what my mum calls a 'London black' and now have a lovely smallish mutt. My sister has a pedigree mini Schnauzer and my brother a Golder Retriever from I suspect a backyard breeder (health problems seem consistent).

My view is that dogs temperaments depend more on their families than anything else. Oh and that my dog is the best grin

There are loads of lovely dogs out there needing new homes MrsDeVere, I'm sure you'll find one that fits your family.

MrsDeVere Sat 20-Oct-12 08:18:31

smile @ London Black

My dog was a British Brown Dog grin

I know exactly what a London Black is!

It's not cross breeds themselves

It's the back yard breeders who deliberately put 2 dogs together with the express intention of making a cute sounding dog that they can charge people a lot of money for.

Back yard breeders do not in general know a great deal about the health of the dogs. They are not interested in the welfare of the puppies. They do not check what type of home they go to, whether the persons lifestyle is suitable for a puppy, and if there is a problem with the pup, or as in many cases the person gets the puppy home and discovers how much hard work it is and can't be bothered with it,the BYB is not going to take the puppy back or work with the owner to try and rehome.
So the puppy ends up in a rescue.

You only have to look at how many staffies are in rescue or put to sleep but irresponsible BYB continue to breed them and people continue to buy them.

The latest craze seems to be for these "doodle" dogs. So because unscrupulous breeders know they can cash in on this craze, they put these 2 breeds together without much thought or planning, without much thought for the welfare of the dogs or puppies. And people continue to buy them. And then continue to stick them in rescue or have them PTS.

It's supply and demand isn't it?

My very first dog was a staffy x boxer. He was a rescue, well they have all been rescues. Ive got not problem with x breeds, it's just the unscrupulous BYB who can't wait to cash in on the latest fashion.

<and breathe>

mrsD there are quite a few rescues that will rehome to families with younger DCs, depending on your circumstances.
You aren't too far away from where I live, if you want another rescue (you know you do) I can give you some details?

Go on, get another dog grin

What sort of dog do you want?

Blackballoon Sat 20-Oct-12 09:06:03

Both my dogs are mutts. Not rescues but from unplanned litters. Both brilliant dogs. One is healthy as anything, the other has a chronic disease which will kill her. I love all dogs but hate all the designer breed rubbish. I'm a vet nurse and it always amazes me how people will pay a fortune for a "designer" crossbreed and yet don't have the money to pay for its vet bills. It also drives me mad that people are purposely breeding these crossbreeds when the rescue centres are packed with crossbreeds but people don't want them as they don't have a stupid made up name. Grrrr! And for the record we see just as many designer breeds with health problems as we do pedigree dogs.

MeFour Sat 20-Oct-12 10:16:35

The problem I had is that the majority of no tears dogs are the other side of the country.
That's a five hour plus drive or as I don't drive over a hundred pound by train just to go and have a look.
We went to local rescues instead but none had puppies.
What we have decided instead is that we will never get another dog

Floralnomad Sat 20-Oct-12 10:31:03

I got a 16 week puppy from Battersea ( now 2.5) . He was just a small black mutt ,he turned into what looks like a scruffy Patterdale. He is the perfect family dog as long as you keep him away from anything small and furry ! He was the best £95 we ever spent ! Our local dog walking field is full of designer doodles and they also seem lovely but I like many other posters can not understand why people pay more for a Xbreed than they would for a pedigree. What's wrong with just getting a poodle if you want a curly dog ?

MrsDeVere Sat 20-Oct-12 10:35:41

tantrums you really shouldn't be encouraging me...
But anyway,
1. Male
2. As young as possible.
3. Small (pref toy)
4. No terrier (lovely but I am being realistic)
5. Coat not a problem because I will clip if necessary (again realistic, allergies and central heating)
6. Must be able to cope with noise and general mayhem
7.someone is in all the time so he wouldn't be left alone for long periods
8. He will get daily walks and free run of the garden but we won't be tramping through woods or on beaches daily.

I don't mind a girl or a slightly bigger (but still small) one and of course they don't have to be a mixed breed..
But a big, working type who doesn't like kids would be out of the question.

LtEveDallas Sat 20-Oct-12 10:54:29

YY to everything Tantrums said, especially It's the back yard breeders who deliberately put 2 dogs together with the express intention of making a cute sounding dog that they can charge people a lot of money for

Accidental matings should be 'free to a good home' or given to a rescue with a hefty donation. Back yard breeders - and I include in that expression anyone who purposely crosses 2 breeds to make cutsie named puppies - should be heavily fined, in fact fined more than they were intending to make out of the puppies. Maybe that would stop them.

I've had 4 dogs since I was an adult. 3 were/are Mutts, one pedigree. A collie/lab we found in the street in NI. A JRT/corgi from Dogs Trust. MuttDog is a Collie/Springer/?? From Many Tears and RottDog from a local independant rescue. I paid nothing for the first dog, £100 donation for the second, £160 donation for the third and nothing for RottDog (she had issues and was driving the rescue demented!)

I don't understand why anyone would pay £300/£400/£500 for a bloody mutt, and think it is disgusting that BYBs charge that sort of amount.

(as an aside, many years ago I wanted a Saluki, but the only breeder I could find in the UK wanted almost £1k for one. I am astounded to see one at Many Tears shock. If RottDog wasn't so ill I would be in there like a shot)

Ok. Im going to keep my eye open for you grin

Between me, my mum and my dd, we volunteer at 4 rescue centres and we are also dog fosterers. I shall find you the perfect dog grin

It's a shame you are not looking for a staffy, there are thousands of the poor things waiting to be rehomed.

zombieplanmum Sat 20-Oct-12 11:05:16

Do people really not like the idea of cross breeds? I have more of a problem with over bred pedigrees with limited gene pools, mutations that mean that they can't give birth naturally and have to undergo anaesthetics that put them under great risk because they can't fucking breath (my sil has this particular breed, ive begged her to get hers speyed because she doesn't intend to breed from her (i dont believe her) and im worried about complications for the dog).

I think cross breeds are a good thing, i have two of them sat on my feet just now grin I have also owned pedigree dogs, two rotties, one i bought as a pup and the other was a rescue. My second rottie died from bone cancer at 4 yo, a common rottie disease. My first one lived to be 12 which is a good age for a large pedigree dog. Cross breeds live forever in comparison, well some do, some don't but you know what i mean.

I guess there is an argument that with a pedigree you have an idea of what the dogs temprement will be like, if you have a cross you might not be sure of its heritage etc.

So i'll just sit on the fence for this one.

zombieplanmum Sat 20-Oct-12 11:09:38

tantrums all you have to do is convince MrsDeVere that a staffie isn't REALLY a terrier (which of course it is, but you can get staffie that don't have the bull terrier bit on the end can't you - you CAN can't you) because otherwise a staffie, or stafford as they are otherwise known grin sounds like it fits your criteria perfectly Mrs D wink They aren't all mental ok, most of them are, but hey and staffs (another name for one that isnt a terrier) will cope very well with general noise and mayhem and not be cowed by it like some "toy" breeds will.

nkf Sat 20-Oct-12 11:11:38

I think it's odd that they have silly names and people who've bought them dislike the silly names.

zombieplanmum Sat 20-Oct-12 11:13:42

Oh so were talking "designer" dogs rather than cross breeds - well, if people want to pay £££s for a cross breed thats their lookout i suppose. Saying that i did pay £250 shock for my Border terrier x patterdale (that i knew the mother wasn't a full BT because i have eyes and im not an idiot) but i just liked set up better than all the pedigree BTs i had seen, mother was friendly etc etc. So people paying money for the right dog, fine, but paying over the odds just so that it can have a silly name - labradoodle, cockapoo etc is just plain daft. But i might pay money for a Shit poo or a Bull shit grin

clam Sat 20-Oct-12 11:18:59

"but paying over the odds just so that it can have a silly name" Seriously? Do you know anyone who has really done that? hmm And of so, more fool them.

nkf Why odd? You're buying the dog, not some stupid label.

D0oinMeCleanin Sat 20-Oct-12 11:22:31

I love cross breeds and mongrels. I have three of them in my house atm, tow lurchers and a terrier mix.

Like Tantrums it is the breeders I cannot stand, not the dogs themselves. Making money from your pet dog without doing all the necessary checks, ensuring the bitch and pups have all the relevant vet care and making damn sure your puppies go to a good home and insisting on taking them back should the home fail, is abhorrent imo. Not only because it shows the 'breeders' think of of their bitch as a way of making quick cash, but also because they are adding to the wider problem of there being too many dogs and not enough good homes for no reason other than cash.

The 'oodle dogs bother me more because they are nothing more than an expensive fashion accessory, often bought for the wrong reason and by the wrong people just because they are 'cute' - they serve no purpose that is not already fulfilled by the breeds we already have. They are not healthier than pedigrees. A cross breed can have inherent health issues from either parent breed.

Too many people have jumped on the bandowagon now and these poodle crosses are going the way of the staffy. There are too many of them being bred with no thought as to what happens to the puppy after the 'breeder' has made their money.

I don't mind the people who buy these dogs unwittingly because they fall for the propaganda and blindly believe they can find a good breeder (there are no reputable breeders of cross breed dogs) but those who buy the dogs despite knowing these facts, simply because they feel entitled to buy whatever dog they want regardless of it's welfare or that of it's parents are almost as bad as the breeders themselves.

Staffy pups are bonkers. I can't even pretend otherwise
LittleDog, 7 months old is, as I write this, following the cat. He has been following the cat for 25 minutes. Every time the cat turns round and looks at him, he runs away, hides under the table for 30 seconds, wriggles across the floor on his stomach and then resumes following the cat.

This game never gets boring. But in a minute the cat will get pissed off and go through the bars of the stair gate to escape.

So then LittleDog will sit there crying for 5 minutes and then go and jump on BigDogs back to wake him up.
And then he will run away from him and run round the garden for half an hour.

He is quite mad. BigDog is lovely though, not mad at all.
They grow out of it.

MrsDeVere Sat 20-Oct-12 12:06:32

If I wanted a staff all I would need to do is stand at my front door and shout J-Zeeeeeee!

Sorry to stereotype but I live in East London smile

I don't really like staffs as a breed. Not because of their poor rep but they are just not my sort of dog. Sorry guys sad

If I wasn't going to go for a little dog there are a few on That rescue site I would love!

Bright, cross breeds who look like they have a touch of collie/lab/etc. about knee height with short tan coats. Proper dogs.

But I can't have one of those so tantrums keep your eye out for my new dog child

Oh don't worry, i will find you the perfect doggrin

MrsDeVere Sat 20-Oct-12 12:14:26

zombie I take your point about toy breeds being cowed by mayhem.
That's why I went for a puppy. He is absolutely fine with the chaos smile he grew up with it and is a year younger than my Dc4 so they grew up together in the loveliest way.
He didn't bat an eyelid when DC 5 came along.

He is nervy when we are out and is very watchful. He has the Chi 'shiver' but is a happy little chap.
Really prone to weight gain which is something I hadn't bargained for. But I know now and will watch out for it if I get another little dog.

MrsDeVere Sat 20-Oct-12 12:16:35

I have just broken the news to OH grin

I think it would be really good for DS2 to be involved. He has high functioning asd and moderate LDs. I think he needs a dog to love and to love him.

Asd dogs don't all have to be flipping golden retrievers do they? grin

LtEveDallas Sat 20-Oct-12 12:32:43

Oh bloody hell. Me and DD have just spent half an hour on MT and between us have come up with a list of 12 that we want. This.is.not.good. grin

There is a dog at the rescue that I am so tempted to bring home.

I keep looking around thinking where I could put him.

LtEveDallas Sat 20-Oct-12 12:49:32

We want another one, but not yet. RottDog was a result of my rescue owner friend phoning up and saying "this bloody dog is driving me DEEMENTED, can you come and take her out for a couple of hours?"

She never went back.

It's only been a couple of years but she has been worth it, just wish we could have kept her longer. She's been spoilt rotten by us though, so cannot be too sad. She has had a great life with us.

I reckon once she's gone I'll get another phonecall - friend is sneaky like that smile

HoneyDragon Sat 20-Oct-12 12:59:25

I've broken it gently to dh that we may end up with another dog in 12 - 18 months. If my family member acquaintance persists in getting the breed of dog (epicly bouncy) as a puppy in a house where everybody works and has clubs.

LittleDog was a 3 week foster 4 months ago

tittytittyhanghang Sat 20-Oct-12 14:32:17

i disagree with whoever said that all crossbreeds/mutts/unplanned puppies should be free to good home. Thats just going to encourage people to take a puppy without really thinking it throught, whereas i think if you are having to pay, say a few hundred pound, most people are going to think about the implications, rather than oooh free puppies, lets have one then.

chipstick10 Sat 20-Oct-12 15:20:20

My dog is a staffy greyhound cross. He is lovely and i feel i have the best of both

midori1999 Sat 20-Oct-12 15:45:00

MrsDeVere, I probably would never have chosen a Staffy either, I never liked how they looked and just didn't think they'd be my sort of dog. However, we ended up with a Staff cross rescue dog (we weren't looking for a dog, he just happened upon us) and he is fab, in spite of having a lot of problems. In typical Staffy style he's a real people dog and very affectionate. I'm not really trying to persuade you, but maybe more just saying perhaps they're not what you'd expect, particularly if you get one crossed with a breed you do like.

Elibean Sat 20-Oct-12 18:28:38

We have a 'bright cross breed, who looks like [he] has a touch of the collie/lab about [him], knee high with a short tan coat'.

We got him from MTAR, who swore blind he was a lab crossed with probably beagle - and he certainly looked the part: big floppy ears, huge brown eyes, long gangly legs. Then dh had him genetically tested and: 25% golden retriever, 25% staffy grin, 50% total mutt.

He's had a few anxiety problems, as he spent the first few months of his life in a pound, but is generally calm, obedient, daft, bright and affectionate. Thoroughly recommend cross-breeds!

Floralnomad Sat 20-Oct-12 18:37:28

I don't think people pay for the designer name but I do get the impression in my area that because they have paid for a designer named dog that makes it as good as a pedigree and hence a cut above my Battersea special . That could be a location thing though ( or the weird people who walk where we do )

bureni Sat 20-Oct-12 18:43:28

I had a Irish wolf hound/lab cross, strange looking animal unless you knew its origins but a better pet and good natured animal I have never seen.

chipstick10 Sat 20-Oct-12 18:56:51

I love my Battersea special Floralnomad. Hes a darling.

MsNg Sat 20-Oct-12 23:02:36

Wanted a mongrel, didn't want to pay silly money for a 'designer' mutt so went to MTAR and got a lucky dip of a puppy who turns out to be adorable, the perfect size and very sweet. Also dominant, serious prey drive and with very high exercise needs so possibly not the ideal novice dog (am getting there with her, but it's been a steeeep learning curve). I wish there were ethical sources of proper mongrels as my pup is just a cross of two breeds so with some quite extreme characteristics so not really as well-balanced as a proper Heinz 57.

MothershipG Sun 21-Oct-12 08:07:31

The Mayhew home on an individual basis and small dogs do come in but they get snapped up quickly so you have to check regularly!

MrsDeVere Sun 21-Oct-12 11:23:01

I have been browsing. Just out of interest.
I found an advert for a 'disabled' Chihauhau puppy.
From the seller's description it sounds as if he has cerebral palsy caused by birth trauma. (although seller doesn't know what the issue is)

They are asking £300 for him. shock

I would take the dog ona heartbeat but three hundred quid?
Are they nuts?
So anyone with enough cash can buy this dog with a life long and significant disability.

Good lord above.

MothershipG Sun 21-Oct-12 22:24:31

That's shocking! angry No decent person, never mind decent dog breeder, should sell a puppy under those circumstances!

MrsDeVere Sun 21-Oct-12 22:50:25

I would assume proper dog breeders would have a contingency plan for this sort of thing. Either to PTS or keep the puppy themselves?

I do not know how common it is but it cannot be unheard of.

The dog is uninsurable. Someone might think they are getting a bargain and take on a dog they cannot possibly care for. Someone's heartstrings might be pulled by the description (which I think is the intention) and buy the dog out of pity.

MothershipG Sun 21-Oct-12 23:20:46

Exactly! The fab breeder I got my boys from wouldn't let me have a puppy just because he made a funny noise when he ran! This is a total con and completely immoral.

(By the way have you looked at Affenpinschers? They are just what you need - if you don't rescue of course wink )

Lolly7 Mon 22-Oct-12 00:06:32

Clam- Calm down dear. You do seem to have one big chip on your shoulder.

Crossbreeds are not the problem. It is the unregulated breeding and ridiculous amounts of money that people are willing to pay that is the problem. It is this sort of suffering that people are against...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6Lyn8A1GA&feature=fvsr
It's really not that difficult to understand.

clam Mon 22-Oct-12 00:54:02

"Clam- Calm down dear. You do seem to have one big chip on your shoulder."

Eh? How do you work that out? In which of my posts do I come across as needing to calm down? Haven't even been on this thread today. Had forgotten about it to be honest.

<shrugs>

nooka Mon 22-Oct-12 05:41:18

I suspect that the designer dog 'brands' are used for two marketing reasons, firstly to appeal to those who want their dog to sound like a pedigree and not a cross and secondly a lot of the names sound 'cute' which probably appeals to people who are idiots.

I imagine that there are also people who buy them as they would have in the past because they like the look of the mix or the individual puppy and couldn't care less about the silly names.

CheerfulYank Mon 22-Oct-12 06:06:52

We only ever had free accidentally bred puppies growing up, and that's what I went for when I got my own dog. He's a golden retriever/German shepherd mix, as far as we know, and is quite simply the loveliest, sweetest old boy to ever draw breath. I have a pic on my profile. smile

When he is gone (I could burst into tears at the thought sad) I may entertain the thought of a goldendoodle. I love the golden personality, but my husband is mildly allergic to a lot of hair and has problems with our dog occasionally.

rachmultiplemum Mon 22-Oct-12 08:03:06

A few years ago designed breeds were just cross breeds. Mistakes that people sold for £100.

Now because of labradoodles (supposedly the perfect family, shed free dog.......) it has become fashionable to cross anything and give it a silly name. Once such being the whippet x poodle- Whoodle. You can buy them for £500. Wake up people, its a lurcher and there are now loads in rescue because its a really really bad cross, the majority seem to inherit the bad traits of the breeds.

Or Pugs x Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. Great, two breeds with awful health problems. Two breeds that should never, ever be crossed. Heath problems, breathing problems, MVD, loss of hearing, Syringomyelia, PRA, elongated soft palate, PDE, retinal atrophy... call them pugaliers and sell them for £500.

I am sorry but if you are one of these people going out and buying these puppies then you are being CONNED.

These designed crosses are not improvements on the breeds, they are often poorly crossed and can bring out the worst in both breeds.

Also the majority of these designer crosses are being bred in PUPPY FARMS and by backyard breeders!!

There are thousands of dogs in rescues including lots of pedigrees, designer crosses and normal crosses... but lets face it, all designer crosses are is normal crosses with posh names.

Anyone for a Wollie? Whippet x collie. How about a jackapat? Jack Russell x Patterdale.

Lolly7 Mon 22-Oct-12 10:23:29

Clam - the reason you seem to have such a big chip on your shoulder is because you state the following…

Quote:

^I suspect people with strong opinions are too busy throwing punches on that other thread at the moment.
But knowing the doghouse as I do, I'll be really surprised if this can be a calm, rational discussion.

(I have a cockapoo and will not apologise for the fact)

tabulahrasa I think you'll find that plenty of people on here do have an issue with crossbreeds!

I'll tell you what my issue is with them - that people seriously think we choose them for the bloody silly names.^

Unquote.

No one has suggested you apologise for having a cockapoo, what a silly statement you make.

Again, it is not the crossbreeds themselves that people “have an issue with” and it certainly isn‘t because of silly names as you suggest. It is the unregulated breeding practices, it is the cruelty and suffering and the extortionate amounts of money are willing to pay to continue the cycle of abuse. Demand and supply and all that. Too many people are willing to ignore the suffering that goes on. Just because a person’s puppy is ok does not mean to say that the mother of their pup is ok or that the littermates of their pup is ok.

It is clearly difficult for you to comprehend so here is further proof:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216006/Theyve-ruff-time-Adorable-puppies-bred-illegal-dog-farm-stuffed-car-boot-bound-Britain.html

clam Mon 22-Oct-12 10:55:37

"what a silly statement you make"

"It is clearly difficult for you to comprehend so here is further proof"

I rest my case! Uncalled-for rudeness like that is doing your case more harm than good.

rachmultiplemum Mon 22-Oct-12 10:57:55

Clam, why dont you read some of the other responses? They explain why some of us are so against the breeding of designer crosses.

WereTricksPotter Mon 22-Oct-12 11:00:29

Why are people piling in on clam?

It was a nice, rational thread with differing opinions.

EdgarAllanPond Mon 22-Oct-12 11:07:27

about crossbreeds?

most dogs are great. that includes crossbreeds

people that breed them? by and large, scum.

people that get them from rescue? sensible

people that buy them and pay alot = misguided

if you really need defined characteristics, you need a pedigree dog (and even then, do the homework to avoid buying from a scumbag, and try rescue first)

if you don't, plenty of puppies in rescue.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 11:09:47

Whilst I realise I am not the Queen of Mumsnet....

I don't want to have leave my own thread because it goes all narky.

If there is another thread where people are fighting, can we leave it there?

I didn't realise that was going on when I started this one so isn't t better to ave one of each?

Hopeful smile

Lolly7 Mon 22-Oct-12 11:10:43

Clam - if you wish to quote me then feel free to do but please don't quote half a sentence. What I said was 'No one has suggested you apologise for having a cockapoo, what a silly statement you make.' smile

clam Mon 22-Oct-12 11:19:41

Just as rude, lolly. Although if anyone is finding things difficult to comprehend I would suggest it is you, if you seriously think I was expecting anyone to want me to apologise. It's a turn of phrase.

Anyway, OP, no need for you to go. I had thought this was a reasonable discussion, as you requested, but lolly has turned it in a different direction by being both patronising and unpleasant.
So I'm off.

LtEveDallas Mon 22-Oct-12 12:35:07

But MrsDV, I thought you were the Queen of Mumsnet shock

grin

How's the doghunting going?

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 12:39:58

Well I am but I don't like to pull rank grin

Clam don't go or I will chop your head off.

I am pretending not to be dog hunting. Whilst browsing and preparing the ground with OH.

He hasn't a scooby doo (as the kidz say)

Don't you fancy a little lab cross puppy MrsD

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 12:48:18

No I flipping don't.
I refer you back to The List young lady.
Stop trying to lure me in

<stern>

I know.....but he is so lovely. sad

I was considering taking him home myself. I am wondering if I can pass him off to DH as a short term foster?

EdgarAllanPond Mon 22-Oct-12 13:18:11

well, you might like a small low-shedding dog, consider : poodles yorkies mini daschund and crosses thereof,

and there are plenty of these in rescue

staffies and whippets are great too, though not sure about how much they shed...

HoneyDragon Mon 22-Oct-12 13:38:28

The main thing that puts me off cross breeds bred for cash is over breeding.

Dragon dog was the result of an accidental mating (by a very regretful breeder), she was of 9 pups and her mum looked a wreck sad. She had a dodgy shoulder all her life that developed after a year, a tumour in her first 6 months of life and her anal glands were fucked from the start.

HullyPup was from a litter of only four as her mum had been bred every year of her life by a byb registered with KC.
Thankfully so far she appears in rude health.

But if these are examples of dogs resulting from breeders who are monitored, and have all the health checks, and bloodlines etc. I dread to think what the results are when inexperienced owners simply pair up to dogs of the right breed in hope of a quick pup. I'm sure with a lot of research you can find a good breeder genuinely concerned for the welfare of the pups, but you simply don't know for sure.

HoneyDragon Mon 22-Oct-12 13:41:08

LtEve

scroll down to Petal

If you were ever considering another larger dog.....

LtEveDallas Mon 22-Oct-12 14:31:56

Honey, you are a bad bad lady... 12 13 to choose from.

grin

HoneyDragon Mon 22-Oct-12 14:41:32

If I didn't have a pup and a tiny house dh would be looking very very bewildered about now smile

I have it on good authority that she is an absolute love, but they want right family home for her wink

I'm not even remotely sorry for that link you know <<shameless>>

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 15:09:03

I avoided Daschaund crosses because of the back problems. I like Yorkers and poodles ...well I like all dogs. I am not really fussy. I just want the right dog for us.
Small but robust but no mad terrierness smile

CheerfulYank Mon 22-Oct-12 16:14:06

Rescues here are absolutely flooded with "puggles"...pug/beagles that are adorable puppies but not so adorable adults, and with many behavioral issues. sad

HoneyDragon Mon 22-Oct-12 16:19:02

CY

Met one at the weekend. Young owner, first dog. Was adorable little puppy but my immediate thought was "whole heap of trouble".

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 16:22:01

What about him?http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=395832863819595&set=a.137401212996096.27820.128785190524365&type=1&theater
You could look at some of the rescues abroad, www.siriusdogsanctuary.com/en/home, www.romaniaanimalaid.co.uk/, www.streetdogrescue.com,

CheerfulYank Mon 22-Oct-12 16:23:54

I've heard some of them are lovely, but both pugs and beagles can be quite stubborn, so occasionally you get one that's basically not trainable. That's what I've heard, anyway!

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 16:26:21

My chi x JRT was untrainable. She was 7 when we inherited her so 'old dog, new tricks' and all that.
But she basically didn't give a toss. Hard to train a dog who doesn't care if she pleases you or not.
Good job she was the size of a small cat and not at all aggressive.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 16:38:23

I looked at the abroad rescues. The last link doesn't work btw.
The Romanian one looks brilliant but I do not think we could manage the cost of transportation as well as paying the foster expenses.

There is a lovely little Peke x on there.

I am hankering after a big proper dog but I CANNOT HAVE ONE. I need a little chap.

Adopting one from Romania would be lovely though.

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 16:49:16

Try google Rudozem Street Dog Rescue - don't know why link doesn't work, sorry! They charge £250, everything included I think...

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 17:00:34

will do, thanks. smile

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 17:06:49

Should have said before - you can find them all on Facebook as well, and sometimes the info there is more updated than the websites. The black Peke does look very sweet though!

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 17:48:30
Imsosorryalan Mon 22-Oct-12 19:25:47

I've just adopted a rommie ( Romanian street dog) she is the gentlest sweetest thing ever. Not read previous posts but check out k9 angels and Romanian animal aid both adoption fees are similar to uk prices grin

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 20:04:40

Imsosorryalan which rescue did you get your dog from? And pictures? Would love to see your dog (and your name on MN intrigues me!)

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Oct-12 20:27:30

Does that include the travel expenses Imso?

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 20:57:49

Imsosorryalan I've heard people say that who have adopted Desperate Greekies dogs. - that the dogs that have a really rubbish life are the sweetest things when they find a good home - almost as if they are grateful for their rescue and want to show you their appreciation.

WereTricksPotter Mon 22-Oct-12 21:22:10

I know a Greek rescue dog who fits that description exactly, LadyTurmoil. He is a great big softy, a bit nervous of men at the start but very willing to take as he finds now.

LadyTurmoil Mon 22-Oct-12 22:20:10

Aah, bless, it's wonderful that some of them find loving homes. smile

Quodlibet Wed 24-Oct-12 00:23:10

I would be worried with those Romanian/Greek/Bulgarian street dogs that there is not enough info available about the dog's likely traits/temperments. For instance I would not want another dog with collie-like intensity, having had a border collie. Because they are rescued/pulled out of a pound and not assessed in a home, I don't see how you can know what you are getting.

To my mind there is an argument that you are more responsible getting a known, well-researched cross where you have a good idea of the likely temperament/traits and where the cross has been selected for biddability than ending up with an unknown mongrel who may have a high prey drive/sensitivity to noise/collie focus/terrier bonkersness if you're going to potentially struggle with any of those qualities.

LadyTurmoil Wed 24-Oct-12 00:50:08

I understand what you mean, but some of those rescues have looked after the dogs since they were born to mums already in the shelter or they have been rescued from the streets at a very young age, so have been socialised well etc. however, you have a point about breeds, it's probably harder to tell with many of them. Lots of the Greek and Cypriot dogs are more clearly pointers, hunting dogs or Cyprus poodles, for example. It is difficult that you can't meet the dogs before making a huge decision to adopt and have to rely on what the rescues tell you, although I think they'd be the last people to want an adoption to be unsuccessful. Agree that high prey drive and/or bonkers collie would not be traits I would want either.

febel Wed 24-Oct-12 17:13:08

I'm not quite sure if we are talking cross breeds here iegrinne specific breed crossed with another, a designer breed, or mongrels..like mine! I think perhaps people buy pedigrees cos they want a certain sort and size of dog and want to know what it will probably look like when it grows up if they buy a puppy? Also, certain breeds do have certain traits/characteristics and temperaments...although we all know a dog who bucks the trend I am sure! Within those breeds all dogs have different personalities too. Main thing is mongrles,We have a cross...he was a rescue and is, I think by looking at him, a lab/greyhound cross. You might presume he is a chaser of other animals but he isn't so theat greyhound trait isn't strong (he ignores them, including our cat) but he is a VERY fast runner and can outrun our local greyhound, but he will come back when called.
The thing is with mongrel type dogs is often they are more healthy as they have a bigger gene pool to draw from......

Imsosorryalan Wed 24-Oct-12 21:28:14

Sorry, been away for a while! Yes, whoever asked about cost, that includes transport to the uk, depending on the charity used and whether anyone else has 'chipped in' with the costs. ( this can be donations or sponsorship ) .
I agree to some extent that you don't really know what you're getting but then no breed behaves exactly how you would expect. My commitment was to help a stray have a better life and I was willing to help it overcome any issues that arose.
Now she is here, she is the sweetest most loving little thing. Now confident and happy after being timid initially. It is like she realises she has been given a second chance. And that makes me feel amazingwink
If you do consider this option, I would say to research the charity/shelter well. Ensure there is someone on the phone not just via Internet. If they are reputable they will ask for a home check and have detailed information about the dogs character (albeit in a shelter situation) they should also sort a plan b with you if it doesn't work out.
However, I'd like to add that please do look thoroughly at uk rescues too as your perfect pet may well be just around the corner. wink

MrsDeVere Wed 07-Nov-12 17:29:22

I have just called the Celia Hammond Trust about a little cross breed. Older, different gender and not a toy!

I spoke to the Mayhew but I have pretty much written them off due to my boys being too young. I understand why so many homes worry about children but its very frustrating for me. I know a lot about dogs and an awful lot about kids. sad

The little lass I have enquired about is bound to be popular so I am not sure how far we will get but if its meant to be....

LadyTurmoil Fri 09-Nov-12 16:46:00

MrsDeVere any news about the little cross breed you were looking at?

MrsDeVere Fri 09-Nov-12 20:24:38

No sad

They may be busy though. Its only been a few days so fingers crossed.

She is a pug/beagle <squeee>

MrsDeVere Wed 23-Jan-13 18:48:46

Update.

Fingers crossed...

I am expecting a new arrival on 8th February. She is a little mixed breed from a Romanian rescue (dont ask, I don't know how it happened, it just did)

She looks delightful. We are being homechecked soon. The homefinder sounded really nice, knowledgeable and sincere. She was happy for me to be 'fussy' about the dog I wanted and understood why I needed to be.

I.am.quite.excited......

LadyTurmoil Wed 23-Jan-13 23:44:36

Oh wow! Very exciting, is she the one you were talking about before, Maya/Mada, something like that via AAA?

MrsDeVere Thu 24-Jan-13 11:09:56

No it didn't turn out to be Mada. She is over a year old and I think it would be unfair to expect her to slot into our family. We are busy and loud an already have a dog etc.

So I ended up talking to a lovely lady from AAA. I was origninally a bit put off by the lack of response and then they called and said she was booked on the next transport! shock

But on talking to the lady it seems that they are normally very organised and she was great. I talked a lot about what sort of dog I wanted. I thought she might get snotty at me being fussy. She didn't. She understood it was about me wanting to make it work for us and the dog.

So a few days later a little 6-7mth small-medium pup came up. She is being spayed and is booked to come over at the beginning of Feb. We are just waiting or homecheck and that should be soon.

She is about the size of a large cat so is unlikely to get much bigger. She is used to kids and cats and dogs and visitors. She has been living with a foster rather than in a shelter.

Fingers crossed all goes well. Eeeek.

mrsjay Thu 24-Jan-13 11:21:37

aww Mrs DV that is fab I knew you wanted another dog but couldn't adopt because your dc was too young not long now have a name for her let us see pics of her when she arrives, that is my dds birthday just thoughtyou would all want to know THAT grin

My opinion of mixed breeds is well I love them newdog is a collie x but the rescue thinks he is a xcross with 2 different collies so is he a halfbreed then grin

mrsjay Thu 24-Jan-13 11:23:40

he is a pug/beagle <squeee>

so is she a bug then wink bet she has a little squishy face and adorable

MrsDeVere Thu 24-Jan-13 11:30:39

No not the puggle sad
Celia Hammond never got back to me.

This one is a real mash up! Like the dogs of my childhood smile

Are you trying to get me to name my doggie after your DD mrs grin

mrsjay Thu 24-Jan-13 11:34:11

Oh ok i misread you sorry

My dd has a right boring name you wouldn't want too, grin

MrsDeVere Thu 24-Jan-13 11:43:04

We are thinking Betty-Whizz

Its a compromise. DS2 wanted to call her Whizz Kalifa hmm

I get to name the creatures in this house but this doggie is supposed to be for DS2 too (he has ASD) so I bent a bit.

I just hope it all works out ok. I just want to give her a cuddle.

I am going to start a thread about rescue from abroad this afternoon. I hope to get some advice and not too much battering.

mrsjay Thu 24-Jan-13 11:49:14

I have a facebook friend who is invovled with rescue abroad think it is middle east though, dogs are not really cared for that well in some countrie somtimes dont have time for 'pets' iyswim

mrsjay Thu 24-Jan-13 11:50:08

can you speak Romanian you will need to learn a few words

MrsDeVere Thu 24-Jan-13 12:25:53

I have a Romanian app on my ipad because I sometimes work with Romanian families so its handy smile

I am lucky that this little one has been fostered. I wouldn't consider a shelter or yard dog at 7mths. I would have only been able to take a very young puppy in those circumstances.

I know I might sound fussy, but it is really for the right reasons. I want this to work.

My animals (touch wood) seem to live for bloody years and years. If I am to have this doggie for the next 18 years, she needs to be happy and so do we.

onlyoneboot Thu 24-Jan-13 12:41:27

I bookmarked this www.talkingtails.com/command.html when we adopted from Romania but never used it as she had no training anyway wink

LadyTurmoil Thu 24-Jan-13 13:43:13

That's fantastic. Did the AAA lady tell you that they have an FB page foe Rommy owners that you could join...if you wanted. Hope it all goes well, she sounds lovely and great that she is being spayed before she comes over and that she was fostered as well. Remember phosptos when she arrives! smile

issey6cats Thu 24-Jan-13 14:03:22

have had dogs all my life and experiences as follows, border collie from RSPCA when i was 10 a fabulous dog and she lived to be 17, labrador from friends accidental mating, lovely dog but sensitive stomach, farted a lot and was travel sick he lived to be 12,

border collie cross whippet(possibly as her shape was whippy) from foal farm rescue lived to be 17 not a bad bone in her body, cairn terrier from a reputable breeder a little bugger who hated other dogs but was a fantastic little dog, cost a lot when he was a puupy due to problems with his dew claws but other than that never ill, he lived to be 15,

JRTx staffie friends had new baby and didnt want him so i took him on a loony but a sweetie he lived to 14 years, a god knows what went into rio think she was a chi cross took her on when a friend moved and couldnt take her with them, she was a typical small dog more like a cat she lived to 13 years,

and the current one a coon hound cross girl who is around 8 years old, she was used as a puppy breeder in cyprus which is where i adopted her from a rescue there, she is a sweety. very lazy though and does have some confidence ishoos

mrsjay Thu 24-Jan-13 14:23:33

Oh that is handy what is Betty In Romanian grin of course you are being picky you are entitled to be dogs are hard work and they need to be the right 1 dh is looking on dogs trust to get jaydog a friend hmm

issey6cats Thu 24-Jan-13 14:34:37

anyone looking for a dog or puppy please have a look on facebook at cyprus pride house they mainly have cats but at the moment have the most adorable chi cross puppies wilma was chucked out on the dstreets because she was pregnant and the pups are georgous llike little white piglets, they were born two weeks ago, and having adopted my dog from there june the lady who runs the rescue is an amazing lady, the dogs fly over to heathrow airport, she also has some hounds aswell if you like a bigger dog one of them storm looks like he could have been one of my dogs pups as he is 18 months old and she was dumped 5 months ago but he is the spit of her

MrsDeVere Thu 24-Jan-13 14:55:26

<sticks fingers in ears and says La La La at issey's post>

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