I really really really want a bulldog

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But they are just so expensive. £2000 for a well bred, health checked pup from a good breeder. I know we will be getting a puppy when we move and had decided on a cocker spaniel but its a bulldog that i really want. So, should i just accept i cant have my bulldog and "settle" for a cocker or should i save for the next 10 years and get my bulldog?

Idasonions Fri 27-Jan-12 21:29:27

or get a labradoodle instead - mine is lovely lovely curly softy cuddly lovely.

All dogs are lovely really so get a nice one whatever breed

I would LOVE a bulldog.

I want one and i want to call him Elvis.

Can't have one though as I work and wouldn't be fair. I have decided that he is going to be my present to myself when I retire.

Slutty and Valar, why do you want bulldogs?

Because they are chunky, they fart and are pretty lazy.

I can't hel but feel an affinity

rubyrubyruby Fri 27-Jan-12 21:34:43

DH wants one.

My dd said she would call her Lola and if it was a boy it would be Stanley. I have a pet fund pot thingy and have not got a clue whats in it (only been saving since christmas) but it says if you only put £1 coins then it should have about £1k in it when its full. Should i go buy another and not smash them till they are both full. The thing i like best about the pot is i cant access the money thats in it so no dipping in when im skint.

mycatsaysach Fri 27-Jan-12 21:35:17

ugh why??????

The reason i want 1 is they have great characters and traits. They are soppy and just plain gorgeous.

Idasonions Fri 27-Jan-12 22:03:25

valar sounds exactly like my dh

grin

rubyrubyruby Fri 27-Jan-12 22:08:05

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, cheer or groan.

I know at some point i am gonna get 1 so maybe i should just save and get it when ive saved enough rather than get another dog and have to save at another point.

rubyrubyruby Fri 27-Jan-12 22:21:03

Sorry slutty - that last post should have been on the Big Brother thread!

Haha thought you meant about your DH wanting a bully

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rubyrubyruby Fri 27-Jan-12 22:26:21

At least I didn't post about bumsex on a recipe thread grin

I think you should save for the dog you want. I waited to get the breed I wanted because I knew I would regret it and feel I had settled for 'second best' iykwim

No doesnt need to be a puppy but im in the north of scotland and there is only 1 rescue near here and its almost always staffies, GSD, labs or collies. I was talking to a bulldog owner who got hers from a great breeder for £850 and she was 13 months so was thinking about contacting them and seeing if they were likely to have any other young adults. The bully was meant to be getting kept of for showing/breeding but just didnt make the grade so was sold as a pet.

Rubyx3 i think i will get my ass in gear and list all the stuff i need to on ebay then get it changed and put it in the pot (i have no will power) or might see if i can open another savings account that i dont have instant access to

Joolyjoolyjoo Fri 27-Jan-12 22:40:59

Well, I can think of lots of good reasons not to get a bulldog!

They have soooo many health problems. Yes, you can get them insured but the insurance for them is so much higher than for other dogs because insurance companies are well aware of their health problems.

There is quite a bit of debate in the animal world about whether it is actually ethical to continue to breed bulldogs. Many of them suffer from stenotic (narrowed) nostrils, dorsally displaced soft palate and hypoplastic (undeveloped and narrow) tracheas (windpipes). THis equates to a dog that weighs over 30kgs and finds it really difficult to take in enough breath. There are several surgical procedures designed to correct these faults (costing thousands) but given that most bulldogs are unable to breed or give birth without assistance, there is a school of thought that says if a dog is bred to an extreme such that it is unable to breed or breathe naturally then it's time to take a look at the ethics of continuing producing this breed. These difficulties are why it costs £1000s for bulldog puppies.

They also have skin issues (all those folds lend them to bacterial skin infections) and they have various problems with their joints, due to their morphology. There are breeders who are trying to sort out some of these problems, but they are fairly inherent to the breed and there are many more people more interested in the ££££s they can get for a bully pup.

I admit, they can be very sweet, but I'd never have a dog with so many genetic deformities- is it fair on the dog?

rubyrubyruby Fri 27-Jan-12 22:42:10
VivaLeBeaver Fri 27-Jan-12 22:43:45

Someone I know got one, paid 2k for a health checked one from a good breeder.

Nice dog, snored something terrible and farted like mad.

Owner went on holiday and left it with a friend of mine. Friend took it for a longish walk on a warm day and it collapsed and died on teh walk - was only 2yo. It couldn't breath well enough on a warm day walking and went into respiratory arrest followed by a cardiac arrest.

I know they have lots of health problems and a lot cant whelp on their own but there are also a few breeders who are very careful about what dogs they breed from and health problems are minimized. CKCS, labs and plenty other dogs have lots of heath problems if they are not tested and bred for health reasons. I have done a lot of research, changed my mind due to the health and daily care these dogs need but always change it back again.
Ive not just woke up and thought id like a bulldog, ive wanted one for years but never been in the position to really make it do-able. Our next house move will hopefully be our last and will have a nice garden that i can make doggy proof. I will be having no more children so that is no longer an issue either.
I know about the overheating risks which is why when its hot (im in scotland so its not often its actually hot lol) i would never take it out for a walk. It would be walked early morning and later at night. The folds on its nose would be cleaned dailly with powder applied and the tail area would be cleaned daily also.

I know what a huge commitment a bulldog is but from anybody ive spoken to about the breed has said it is totally worth it

Ruby, Ruby would have been great but we have 2 cats also and they say no to cats. I do have that as a favorite so i can check often (havent looked for a wee while though). Its a shame since we are only an hour from aberdeen and she is beautiful

rubyrubyruby Fri 27-Jan-12 23:09:00

That would kerp my DH busy! Apart from walking lots my dog is zero maintenance.

Joolyjoolyjoo Fri 27-Jan-12 23:41:00

Thing is, even if you go to a good breeder and get a dog, it is NOT a guarantee. I see lots of dogs with pedigrees of champions and they often still have lots of health problems.

When you choose a dog it should always be on the basis of the characteristics of a breed and not on looks. There are loads of other lazy farty dogs out there that won't need the same medical care as a bulldog!

OldBagWantsNewBag Fri 27-Jan-12 23:46:10

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Dogue De Bordeaux are too big for us. I just love the bulldog. I know there is no guarantee but finding a good breeder can minimize the risks, just like with any other breed. I just think a bully would be great for our family. They are known to be great with children, they are lazy and dont need huge amounts of exercise but are more than happy to run around and play, they think they are a lapdog and love lots of attention and they just have the sweetest most loveable features

Sorry Slutty, I just really couldn't bring one home. I can't look at them with anything other than pity (for the individual dog) and horror at the awful breeding system that has let them get into this pickle. It's a very sad reflection when a dog that cannot breathe properly, can't run round on a summer day, has mobility issues and can't even give birth naturally is still being traded and seen as desirable. See this website for a listing of the health issues and the sky high inbreeding coefficient.

If you want something lazy, good with children and a nice nature, then a greyhound would be perfect - spend most of the day asleep, they live to a healthy old age and their inbreeding coefficient is 0.9% versus the bulldog's 9.9%. Even if you are dead set on a pedigree pup there are many breeds that are still good with children that don't have the dreadful health problems of bulldogs.

GrimmaTheNome Sat 28-Jan-12 00:21:57

Slutty, so good you're not compromising and looking at 'bargain' dogs from bad breeders (or worse).

> I was talking to a bulldog owner who got hers from a great breeder for £850 and she was 13 months so was thinking about contacting them and seeing if they were likely to have any other young adults. The bully was meant to be getting kept of for showing/breeding but just didnt make the grade so was sold as a pet.

Yes, do. We got our current dachshund under similar circumstances and he's lovely. It doesn't matter to us that he goes bald in winter! DH drove from Lancashire to Dover to get him, thank goodness we're not in the North of Scotland - he'd have still gone!

But if that doesn't work out - really there are so many lovely dogs of all breeds (sometimes all in one dog grin), and without the same likelihood of health issues as bulldogs, I'd be inclined to settle for something else.

non28 Sat 04-Feb-12 13:56:01

Ive had and lost 2 bulldogs at very young ages. I absolutely adore them but would never have another, the heartbreak of loosing them is too much. My last was Chopper who was put to sleep last sep at the age of 3.5!

I done so much research especially after loosing my first one Alfie, I drove 5 hours to collect him from a breeder that convinced me he knew what he was doing with breeding and how we were going to have the healthiest puppy/dog ever!

It started with the skin conditions, his skin would flare up so badly it would burst and there would be blood everwhere, he was basically wheat intollerant etc so food in the end cost a small fortune has had to get special food. Could not take him out for long walks especially in summer, summer time he had to be left at home on his own whilst we all went for lovely walks in the fields/woods etc. he would simply collapse and have a fit if we did. He then started to suffer with fits more often and with that came the agression untill he eventually went for my 4 year old (if anyone knows bulldogs they will know how loving they are and this was not normal and him and said 4 year old were very very close) after many vets checks and me trying to rehome him through the bulldog rehoming (thought he could perhaps live with someone on their own) who would not take him due to his aggression they told me and also 3 vets (inc a bulldog specialist) I was advised to put him to sleep as he had a serious brain condition which was causing his agression due to him trying to protect himself and I could not take that risk!

It was awfull taking him in and coming out with a collar and lead!

Bulldogs are beautiful but they also come with a whole host of problems which you will never truly know until you have paid out your £2k and they start to grow up, no matter what the breeder says!

Sorry to rant I just adore the breed but feel very sorry for them!

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Wotnow Thu 09-Feb-12 06:58:38

Just because you want on doesn't make it ethically. Correct to breed them.
They are such tragic dogs.
All the problems have been listed above and it's not just the money cost.

These dogs are really so badly bred e en by the "good" breeders, they are just. BRed to suffer.

Their skin gets so sore
And their breathing is so compromised

The other dogs you mentioned just don't have the overwhelming problems that bulldogs have.
And there are also.breeding programs with both ckcs and labs to try to breed out the problems.
Tho that doesn't make it right to breed bulldogs, two wrongs don't make a right!!

Poor OP getting a battering. FWIW, I would have a bull dog without having to think about it. They are lovely comical dogs. NDN in Belgium had one. OTOH, the health problems would stop me short.
Have you considered a SBT? We had the most gorgeous boy, he adored children and was very affectionate. Lots of them up for adoption sadly.

ohbugrit Thu 09-Feb-12 07:17:15

I second everything Jooly has said.

I'm also concerned that you are going to have to save for so long to afford a puppy. As had been mentioned already, they have myriad health problems and insurance is very expensive. Add to this an excess and the fact that you could find lots of exclusions after just one or two claims and bulldogs are not for anyone without plentiful cash.

I live in the North too and have seen overheating even when the weather isn't that warm. They simply can't breathe properly as it is so it only takes the slightest thing to tip the balance sad

Plus looking at it ethically it perpetuates the market for these poor dogs.

charlearose Sat 11-Feb-12 10:12:02

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ChickensGoMeh Sat 11-Feb-12 11:15:24

I didn't realise that bulldogs suffered so much health wise. What a bloody shame sad

BaDaBing Sat 11-Feb-12 11:32:56

Have you considered a French bulldog? Much smaller than its English counter part and a lot more active and less health concerns. We got ours at 14 weeks and he is a great addition to the family. They have a reputation for being clowns and our boy lives up to that rep!

french bulldogs are gorgeous.

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Jackstini Mon 13-Feb-12 10:35:34

Slutty - sometimes only a bully will do. smile
My dh had always wanted one and we bought one the year we moved into our new house. Before he was 1 he had eated half the kitchen bless him - needed a lot of teething training - but we loved him to bits and so did both our dc. It is nearly 2 years since we lost (St.) George and we still miss him and never regretted having him.
Yes they do have some health issues but can be minimised with care. Even so, the average age they live to is only 8 or 9 so much lower than other dogs. Also someone will need to be home most of the day.
If it is really what you want then save and wait and hopefully the rescue centres will come up with something.

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Calamansi Mon 20-Feb-12 21:16:38

We've had bulldogs for years grin yes some have health issues but it is a dramatically decreasing percentage we have never had major issues and all our bullies have reached at least ten years. A quick daily clean with baby wipes on the face stops skin diseases and tough new breed regs (lead by the best breaders) mean that many more bully's now self whelp and there are far fewer breathing issues. Being careful about not overwalking also really protects them from later joint issues. I appreciate they are nit for everyone but most pedigree breeds can have inherent health issues, bulldog breeders are working hard to improve the breed and to ensure they are strong and healthy. This has increased prices as there are strict limits on how many litters a dog can have again to ensure a health mum
And pups. As a breed They are superb with children and so affectionate and bursting with personality!! they do snore but that can be part of their charm! If you do want one imo I think they are worth every penny. grin

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