border collie

(24 Posts)
ilovesprouts Wed 30-Dec-15 17:34:50

Just wondering if anyone has a border collie puppy mines 5m old ,he won't walk on his coller /harness and he ears too fast despite getting a slow feed bowl just wondered if anyone had the same problems ??

PseudoBadger Wed 30-Dec-15 17:43:54

"He won't walk on his coller /harness"

What does he do?

What do you feed him?

ilovesprouts Wed 30-Dec-15 17:54:41

He just sits and refuses to move we feed him bakers puppy that he had from the person who we got him from he was a litter of 6 I think .

Cheerfulmarybrown Wed 30-Dec-15 18:06:22

I have loads of border collies (well 6), My youngest is 8 months and the oldest one is 13. Love them to bits in my opinion the most fantastic dogs in the world smile

I would change his food asap (not that this is stopping him waling) but Bakers food is full of dodgy additives that will make the most chilled dog hyper - give this to a collie and you will have a crazy whirling loon dog.

If you want to give kibble try Millies wolfheart millies or collies love raw feeding but that is up to you if you want to do this. Nutriment is a good place to start if you do want raw feeding.

Will he walk anywhere on his lead? or is it when you go outside?

Re fast eating by changing the food this will help but you could also put some water on the food that makes it harder for them to get to or I would be really tempted at this age to make him work for all his food through training. SO ask him to do something and then feed by hand.

Use this on the lead put on lead hod out food he takes one step he gets a treat/a bit of his kibble. Do this for a few days and he will be walking on the lead. Do check that it is not the environment that is stopping him eg by a busy road or by something that may spook him.

What colour is he? Just being nosey nothing to do with your questionsmile

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Wed 30-Dec-15 18:13:36

Mine's not a puppy any more, she's 18 months old but she is a border collie. I agree about changing the food, Bakers is full of crap use the All About Dog Food website to source a better quality food (mine's raw fed and does very well on it but raw isn't for every owner).

My girl doesn't particularly like being on a lead, I think it's quite a common trait and she much prefers a collar to a harness as she hates anything that had to go over her snout/head. We spent time with a pocket full of kibble, (she came to us as a kibble fed dog) tempting her to walk on the lead and now she tolerates it but is much happier off lead. We only use her lead when we are by the roadside now or in an area where dogs need to be on a lead as she walks beautifully to heel off lead and has a bombproof recall (especially if she knows I have cheese in my pocket!).

PseudoBadger Wed 30-Dec-15 18:26:02

I leave a light line clipped to the collar in the house (when you're around to supervise obviously!)

TooOldForGlitter Wed 30-Dec-15 19:26:12

I can't advise on the walking because I didn't have any issues with mine so have no experience but, as PPs have suggested, raw feeding is brilliant and it will really slow your pup down to be eating a good meaty bone. It's great for them. Bakers is like giving your kids haribo for breakfast, dinner and tea grin

ilovesprouts Fri 01-Jan-16 13:11:17

Been and got two 10kg bags pedigree puppy for £40 from jollies,should keep him going for a whilesmile.

Veterinari Fri 01-Jan-16 13:13:21

What does he do when you try and walk him op? Is he ok on a lead in the house or garden?

ilovesprouts Fri 01-Jan-16 13:41:27

He will follow us around the house and go for a quick sniff of the back garden but will not walk on his lead/ harness bum goes to the floor and fed users to move.

ilovesprouts Fri 01-Jan-16 13:42:58

This is jett he's 5m old on the 8th of this month

Veterinari Fri 01-Jan-16 13:57:44

So he won't use it even in the house? Agree with advice above start him on the lead/harmed and use a treat to reward him for moving forward. Do not drag him.

Also if he's 5 months and never been walked, how well was he socialised? BC are a reactive breed and good socialisation is essential

ilovesprouts Fri 01-Jan-16 17:56:17

He was well socialised when we got him but he dint go out anywhere until he had all his jabs he just refuses to move but I don't want to drag him to go to walks.

TooOldForGlitter Sat 02-Jan-16 01:28:55

Pedigree puppy, as in pedigree chum? I'm not trying to be a twat but pedigree is hardly different to the bakers shite at all.

Cheerfulmarybrown Sat 02-Jan-16 09:08:51

Pretty much any dog food you can get from a supermarket is rubbish so agree that Pedigree is no better than bakers. Ok Kibble would be Eden, orijen, wainwrights grain free at a push, or as suggested before Millies.

It does sound like you are a new dog owner so I would recommend that you get in touch with an APDT dog trainer who can help you get started. It is hard to know why the dog is not moving - I would probably give a cheerful "lets go" and move forward encouraging the dog. BUT if the dog is fearful of the environment this would be the worst thing to do. So you must get some one around to see the dog in the situation.

If you want to say roughly where you are I can give recommendations or if not look here. It may seem expensive to get in a trainer but a lifetime of behavioural problems will be very hard to live with.

List of trainers

EasyToEatTiger Sat 02-Jan-16 12:02:12

I used to feed Burns, which did the dogs well for a long time. It was not so good for maintaining weight, so after a lot of deliberation and asking around, our current dogs now eat CSJ and seem to be doing well on it. Our pup (now 1) wolfs her food. I know she'd win prizes for eating fastest! You can get balls which the dog has to play with to get the food out. It can be quite frustrating for them but it does slow them down. If you carry your pup out of the house, does he just run straight back?

Branleuse Sat 02-Jan-16 12:10:33

the food surely isnt the issue. Why does everyone here assume if youre not spending £50 a bag on dog food, then thats the cause of all the problems. It isnt.

We buy the workers dog food from aldi for a tenner and our dogs are absolutely fine and walk on the lead fine.

OP your dog has some anxiety about being out? I knew another puppy who hated walking outside (was also a collie x)
Can you get a behaviourist in?

Bubble2bubble Sat 02-Jan-16 13:12:35

Agree with others who said put in the lead in the house and just let it trail. If this is only for a minute or two at the start then that's fine.
In the meantime concentrate on getting his attention to you and getting him to follow you around the house and garden, using food. Encourage him all the time to follow you and praise him. There is no point at all in dragging him anywhere.
He sounds like he's either had a fright or possibly never been let outside before he came to you. Eating too fast can be a sign of having to scrabble for food with other dogs who were not supervised while eating.if you can encourage him to take food from your hand you can use this for training and also slow down his eating. If necessary you can hand feed him all his food, he doesn't have to eat from a bowl just yet.

You probably need to contact a trainer sooner rather than later and get him properly assessed - it doesn't sound like he's had the best start in life sad

ilovesprouts Sat 02-Jan-16 14:31:46

We got him from a farm in York he was a litter of six.

dotdotdotmustdash Sat 02-Jan-16 15:20:25

I have two collies and I would avoid Pedigree or Bakers like the plague! Both are dreadful foods full of cereal fillers and almost no meat. Mine do well on a good quality salmon and rice based food, I get mine from a large garden centre pet section. Mine are both fussy with dry food so I tend to leave out dry all day, but at teatime I mix a can of Butcher's tripe shared between their bowls and they eat it well.

ilovesprouts Sat 02-Jan-16 17:34:10

A friend of mine feeds hers iams.

PerfidiousPanda Sat 02-Jan-16 17:42:23

I have one roughly the same age and agree with the others about food - I'm using CSJ.

The poster who asked why this was being focused on - it's not necessarily in relation to the OP's questions, but I thought that (not an expert at all) you are storing up potential problems if you don't keep them on decent food from the start. CSJ is very, very reasonable (my older dog is on it too) and it was recommended to me by someone who knows an awful lot more than I do!

MY BC was terrible on the lead to start with. She's still not keen, but will lie down and wait as if it is the most awful thing in the world. Once it's on, she's not so bad, but she pulls dreadfully (am going to address that from this week actually). I think she'd had a much worse start than we thought and we really have had to work on her nerves.

They are such gorgeous dogs and I think they desperately want to please you, so the treat/food approach works well. Good luck!

dotdotdotmustdash Sat 02-Jan-16 18:10:56

iams isn't much better unfortunately.

Some good quality foods (in my opinion) but there are many others, to suit most budgets.

Barking Heads
Burns
CSJ
Arden Grange
Vet's Kitchen (ok)
Wainrights
Royal Canin

Look at these to start with. Have a look at the ingredients lists on each, the first thing on the list should always be meat or fish, if it's cereals or beet then it's basically nasty rubbish that's made of cheap fillers. Dogs will survive, and maybe live apparently healthy lives, but they're not the best diet - it's like feeding your dog constantly on fast food and ready meals instead of a healthy diet.

ilovesprouts Sat 02-Jan-16 19:13:06

I've also got a dog who's 11 years old they get on fine they will both go in garden but the younger one will not walk on a lead even if the other ones comes for a walk ah will just keep trying I have a clicker and a treat bag too

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