Poodles - standard or miniature?

(28 Posts)
kelpeed Tue 25-Mar-14 08:30:15

I am looking at poodles with view to buy one soon. The chidlren are old enough now.

Could the collective wisdom of MN dog housers share thwir wisdom about the differences between a miniature and a standard poodle, aside from the height, of course! The miniatures seem just a bit small but the variation in the standards means I might get a very big dog (which woud need much more space than we have - our garden is mid- sized).

I've read that miniatures tend to be more highly strung compared the the standards. Is this true?

How far can we take the miniatures for runs?

Would also really like a poodle ... echoing the question about whether blacks really are calmer? Need a dog which is calm in the face of often lots of children ...
Do they have to have their faces and tails clipped? Can one get clippers and learn to do it oneself?
Is anyone in Dorset/South Somerset/Wiltshire and knows of a reputable breeder of miniatures? Already have a border collie x and couldn't fit in a big dog.

kelpeed Sat 07-Jun-14 11:53:03

yep, we are signed up for clicker training classes thanks to the MN doghouse advice. itll syart ina couple of weeks once hes had his second vaccination round.

ive also ordered the karen pryor books "dont shoot the dog " and the clicker training one. the dc have been watching kikopup clips on you tube? ( thanks MNetters).

im also reading ( slowly) the library copy of the morgan spencer book on clickering. it is fascinting.

today is filled up with shuffling dc about sport so we havent started anythng clickerksh yet, exceptfor we seem to have already trained him (unintentionally ) recall and to fetch a ball.

DontPutMeDownForCardio Sat 07-Jun-14 10:42:42

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1860542824?cache=b8dbfeae0325d65172248ae463544745&qid=1402133981&sr=8-2#ref=mp_s_a_1_2

also, consider clicker training - is worked wonders with my mum's dogs - and my cat! It's amazing what you can get them to do and is all based on a positive rewardsystem.

DontPutMeDownForCardio Sat 07-Jun-14 10:39:08

Make sure the puppy had his own space he can retreat to if he needs to where nobody is going to bother him - make sure the kids know not to bug him when he goes in his bed for example. Puppies need a lot of sleep!

Doodlekitty Sat 07-Jun-14 08:33:56

I really dont know. Hes a black. My cross is white and has no issues but we left her (meaning for an hour or 2) from being young. My mams is also a destroyer of toys but not destructive with anything else

kelpeed Sat 07-Jun-14 07:43:20

doodlekitty
do you think the colour of yourmam's poodle might have had anything to do with he anxiety?

kelpeed Sat 07-Jun-14 07:36:57

he has a nice dainty prance. he picks up his paws in sort of a trot, as if he were a horse. yep, we'll keep the heavy exercise for when he is older. he's happy to just work out the run ofnthe house and garden. he is unfazed about the washing machine and dishwasher (thank goodness) as well as the bikes. again, all surprising to me as our cats have not been keen on these things when they came home to live.

he likes to chew the cuffs on sleeves and legs on trousers.(i need to find more chew toys).

so: so far so good. i will keep my fingers crossed.

DontPutMeDownForCardio Sat 07-Jun-14 07:00:37

Be aware that he shouldn't be doing heavy exercise for some time yet. I think they say 12-18 months to ensure his bones are growing adequately. To much exercise too young stores up trouble for the future. Lovely dog though.

Doodlekitty Sat 07-Jun-14 06:38:35

My mam has a miniature poodle and I have a poodle cross. They are both amazing dogs and training was so easy, we went to classes together and with consistency at home tgey are both very obedient dogs. I dont know if tgis is a poodle thing or due to my mams circumstances but her poodle gets major separation anxiety so I would suggest getting him used to being left alone quite early, obviously starting with short times.

VetNurse Sat 07-Jun-14 06:05:53

Awww I love poodles. Loads better than all these poodle crosses that have popped up. Enjoy!

kelpeed Sat 07-Jun-14 00:22:28

he's 9 weeks. his fur is amazingly soft and well combed through, making it easy for us to give him his first groom. he seems happy to have his tummy and legs brushed.

he seems to understand retrieving a ball, i thought that had to be trained.

he does like being around someone and cries if he is by himself in his puppy pen (we were having dinner at the time) but it is early days yet. he had a very long trip from the breeders to our place yesterday, so probably still recovering.

kelpeed Sat 07-Jun-14 00:12:08

update on the poodle question

ta da!

our little miniature poodle puppy came home yesterday afternoon.

here he is taking over the laundry basket. he conks out pretty much anywhere: he is a waaaaaaaay better sleeper than all of my kids put together.

bobbybearmummy Wed 26-Mar-14 16:46:24

Puppies are clipped from 4 weeks,face ,feet and tails.Then roughly every 6 weeks .... even as puppies,its important to get them used to regular grooming.
They have a very soft puppy coat for around 12 months,but they go through a coat change(this can be a nightmare as they mat very easily then)

After they have gone through this change,the coat becomes more coarser and can be shaped into whatever you like!!

roadwalker Wed 26-Mar-14 12:48:14

I have a min poodle
She prances around on her back legs and can balance for ages, no training involved but she could get away with a tutu
I thought all poodles were essentially the same dog just different sizes?
My min is on the large size, last measuring was 15"
She is an easy dog, can run and play but not chomping at the bit for exercise. Happy to lay cuddled up all day if you let her
With hindsight I think she came from a backyard breeder. I saw parents so not too bad and she had been tested (or had papers to say so)
Oh, she is black. I loved the chocolate ones but DS wanted black

kelpeed Wed 26-Mar-14 11:45:14

Thanks again. All very helpful...still cant decide... internet dancing-poodle watching is sucking up my time...maybe i should get both <only joking>

Does the dancing on the hind legs affect the poodle's bone structure?

I spoke with the miniature poodle club puppy contact who provided a few names of reputable breeders. Yes, She did seem rather guarded at the begining, and seemed to crackle with my opening question about smaller standards so was a bit put off in asking the hairy details, was it a bad question?) , but then was very helpful later on and spoke at length, albeit in a school-marm voice. She mentioned what needed to be covered under the price, various tests, about desexing timings, and puppy , doodle farming. I am somewhat amazed that there was a puppy contact - they must be on the phone all day long.

She also spoke about the "C5" vaccination being a problem for poodles, and to use the "C3" vaccination. I've ony just looked this vaccine up as to what it covers: what exactly is the problem with poodles and do other breeds have a similar problem?

i've heard a poodle owner mention that browns were clowns, apricots were thick and whites prefer a more sedate lifestyle. The silvers were not confident, but blacks were the best for families. Then i heard that silvers were very clever, and outgoing... Are blue poodles the same as silvers, and are reds just a a couple of shades deeper than the apricots?

schoolchoice - then your poodles are more honest than my cats, who stole things straight off the BBQ., and rats, i've forgotten about puppies chewing things.

On the grooming, how old will the puupy be for its first clip? My boys are now very keen for a pom pom cllip.

happygardening Wed 26-Mar-14 08:49:06

I second schoolchoice you really must approach one of the specialist poodle breed clubs and get further info which ever one you chose. Poodles are generally healthy but they do need to be health screened and top breeders will have done this. As Ive said Jackie Kitchener lives breaths sleeps eats min poodles. Top breeders are very nervous about selling them because of the poodle cross craze (which they obviously don't approve of) so expect a cautious welcome, you will be required to provide all you details, be prepared to answer questions etc and provide photos. Once they know you are genuine you'll be ok. She probably knows standard breeders as well. I too have heard that apricot are more excitable and unless you love constantly washing you dog I personally wouldn't get a white one, poodles like mud and water.
Good luck.

schoolchoicesdrivingmecrazy Wed 26-Mar-14 08:30:05

I currently have 2 standards and have had various standards for 15 years. In that time I've had 4 kids and moved house 3 times.

They are brilliant family dogs. Really smart, really loving and loyal, completely unfazeable, let you do anything to them and the most they do is roll their eyes and look long suffering (ours are regularly dressed up in ski goggles, ear defenders and full school uniform including tie and cardigan on occasion). Completely trustworthy and good natured.

They love a walk but are equally happy bombing round the garden playing footage with the kids. Some love retrieving and will fetch balls til kingdom come, some watch you throw a ball and then look at you as if to say "you threw it - you get it!". Then they will curl up in a small ball and sleep the rest of the day.

None of them are great chewers beyond puppyhood. Generally they are not thieves- you can leave them in a room with a roast and know they won't touch it - but anything that hits the floor is fair game.

They never smell and never shed. You do need to groom them every 6-8 weeks and brush them well at least once a week if you are keeping gem in a short coat, more if longer.

They live in average 12 years - realistically they die from about 10 years (quite young for a standard) to 14 years (very old for a standard). I have had black and blue poodles but the only ones I might stay away from is brown/apricot as they are meant to be a bit more excitable. Might be rubbish - you will find people saying it is def true and people saying it def isn't but I incline towards the former.

Poodle people are very helpful and it is a very small world. You need a properly bred standard where the parents have been fully health screened. If you speak to any member of the standard poodle club committee and sound nice and interested and knowledgable about poodles they will point you in the direction of a good litter available. They are all nervous about selling puppies to people who want to breed them with their labs and make labradoodles or worse so you may have to do a bit of work to convince them of your good intentions. Never buy a standard off the internet unless you know how to read a pedigree.

Hope that's helpful!

kelpeed Wed 26-Mar-14 08:11:36

thanks again. beautiful photo.

Not withstanding we have housekept other people's dogs, this would be our first dog, so I am not sure about walk duration. (we have been cat people in the past). i'vebeen reading some of the US poodle forums - the US owners seem to do less walking with their dogs all around. The MN dog owners seem to do much more walking. i get your point about long walks = ok, It is more the run duration that I am somewhat clueless about when it comes to small dogs. I do about 3-10 miles on any one occasion.

i confess I am not really able to discern what category the poodles in many of the photos on websites. I can tell if they are standards and if they are ReALY small, then they are toys, but that it about it. I am looking for a just under the knee high dog. whether that is a big miniature or a small standard, I wouldnt be able tell, and the the breeder websites usually dont seem to have a point in the photo to callibrate the dog size with (peoples's legs, toys, etc). My knee is just over 19 inches high.

Our neightbour has a minatiaure but she didnt do any research into heights. I need to measure him up.

The standards are amazing - a friend has a rescue standard with whom she dances. It is a big dog though, and has an underlying heart problem, so vigourous anything is not on.

bobbybearmummy Wed 26-Mar-14 08:11:00

Go to a good breeder,who health tests their dogs(especially for PRA).A breeder will know roughly the eventual sizes of their puppies.And do not dismiss a smaller dog,they can hold their own.Poodles,of all sizes are very versatile,which is why we love them!!

happygardening Tue 25-Mar-14 23:30:16

Black, black, black black and apparently they have a steadier temperament.
Mine came from a top show breeder and he's 1/2 an inch over size they can't be more than 12" for a miniature and 10" for a toy. He's a big chunky dog. Mine lives with children another dog and cats we are a boisterous outgoing family and he's permanently happy and holds his own. I don't know why you think small dog = no long walks I walk mine at least and hour a day sometimes 2-3 he would go further without any problems his partner a much bigger dog doesn't want too.

BelleinLondon Tue 25-Mar-14 21:04:37

Like bobbybearmummy said, big miniature is perfect. Here's ours. We knew from the parents' sizes how big he would be- or rescue and you'll know already!

kelpeed Tue 25-Mar-14 18:41:42

poodle emoji isnt workng...

kelpeed Tue 25-Mar-14 18:40:19

??

kelpeed Tue 25-Mar-14 18:39:39

thanks all!. Photos! I love looking at pet photos! ��

I am looking for a knee high dog that I can take for long walks and long, slow runs. The walks would be down everyday, but the runs, however, wouldnt be, they would be every other day and on the weekend.

The sizes - I spoke with an old school poodleclub fanatic on the phone who gave me an earful about small standard poodles, she said that if I got a standard poodle then it could grow quite big, "as big as a dalmatian!" . It doesn't seem to make sense to me. If the parents are both the smaller side, say, 16 inches or so, then how could their puppies grow to 29 inches?

But if i got a miniature then it might be as small as 11 inches, which would be too small for the longer walks and runs, and be able to hold their own with the children.

The miniatures and the toys seem to be much more similar in size. I dont want that small a dog, but on the other hand, like happygardening , I dont want a big dog that is too big for the car.

Any views about the colours? I like the black ones myself.

bobbybearmummy Tue 25-Mar-14 16:31:19

I have 2 large miniatures.They are both 15" in height,and are in my opinion the perfect size.Can be still picked up,are large enough,not to be stepped on,and are energetic dogs.They do need at least an hour a day exercise,but I regularly do 4-5 hours walking with them. They are intelligent dogs,and if you are not carefull they will train you!!
Can highly recommend them!!

Join the discussion

Join the discussion

Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.

Register now