Which pup?

(26 Posts)
snala Mon 03-Mar-14 19:47:13

So I went to meet the breeder and pups that I've been waiting for, they are only a few weeks old. During the discussion the breeder mentioned that she had a 6 month old that she was thinking about selling. So I asked if I could see him.

He was kept to show but she doesn't think he will quite make it. He is very sociable, house trained and has just started lead training..... And I love him!!!!wink

I have now come home to decide on which pup I would like and I've got to let her know.

Any thoughts?

Floralnomad Mon 03-Mar-14 20:17:40

Get the puppy not the older one ,it could well have issues .

moosemama Mon 03-Mar-14 20:28:36

Definitely go for the younger pup.

Very often pups that have allegedly 'been held back for showing' turn out to be the ones with problems and/or that have been sold once and returned.

He may have seemed friendly and sociable in his home, but how much has he actually been out of that home, was he fully socialised within his critical socialiation period. I doubt it, given that he's only just started lead training at 6 months old.

Sadly I have seen this scenario far too many times.

I agree. With the puppy, you are getting a blank canvas, I would be a little suspicious of the older one, sorry.

Gooner123 Mon 03-Mar-14 21:21:02

I agree go with the puppy,6 mths to start lead training sounds way to dodgy,put it out of your mind & think about the little bundle of joy.

Stockhausen Mon 03-Mar-14 21:22:22

Eek, gut says younger!

Is she giving the older one at a discount?

I think the six month old is worth considering.

What breed is it?

A puppy could fail to make it to show for a billion reasons - and most of them are irrelevant to a pet.

The lead training comment is odd - does she mean lead training for the show ring, or walking on a lead full stop?

snala Mon 03-Mar-14 21:42:52

Sorry, I'm assuming lead training for the ring. ( I have no intention of showing him)

He will be the same price as the other pups.

moosemama Mon 03-Mar-14 21:54:14

But why would she be lead training him for the ring if she's decided he's not suitable? Something doesn't seem quite right there.

My Aunt and Uncle were offered a six month old dog that had been run-on as a possible show dog. He'd never seen outside the breeder's home and was a nervous wreck. I have heard similar stories time and again. There's actually a MNetter on here who has had a lot of problems with an older pup she took on under similar circumstances.

I'm not saying that it's always the case. I'm sure there are decent breeders who run pups on and then sell them when they don't make the grade - a lot can change in a pup's coat, conformation and temperament as they grown that would mean they might be unsuitable for showing, despite showing potential when very young. Personally though, I wouldn't risk it, but you have met the breeder and seen the dogs and I haven't.

I'd expect the price to be in the region of a puppy price - unless specific training has been undertaken in which case I'd expect it to be more expensive.

I think my reaction would mostly be from the gut - exactly what feeling I'd got from the breeder and the set up she ran. I'd also assess how similar her living conditions were to my own to see how easily the pup would fit in with me. Six months is still very young, and realistically you've only lost out on 12 weeks of puppyhood.

However, to balance that she has had two litters very close together. I would have a hard look at why and who the sire and dam were. Is the breed a popular one or not?

A serious show breeder would be training ring craft from the very beginning - and lead work could be part of that, but I do think you need to ask more questions and have another visit.

Also look up her history in the show ring - see if her story rings true. What do the breed society say about her?

snala Mon 03-Mar-14 22:18:42

I have been twice to see the pups, once arranged and once unannounced with the children. The current pups are a different dam and sire.

The 6 month old I'm looking at was one of two kept to show.

The breeder does very well at crufts and is showing the pups dad and litter mate this year. She has been breeding for 25 years and is kc assured.

I really don't know what to do, I am going to question the lead training as that is v odd. I may have mid understood.

What breed is it?

MamaPingu Tue 04-Mar-14 21:02:42

Would it be daft to ask to take the puppy for a small walk around the street? Just to see if there's any anxiety issues with the pup?
As some have said they can be kept inside their entire lives and then panic once outside their comfort zone

mrslaughan Tue 04-Mar-14 21:52:46

For various reasons we got our puppy from the breeder at 5 months, and he couldn't be more perfect......however I would tread very carefully....I would want to know what she has done with him....has he been to ring craft classes?

Being a KC assured breeder means nothing really, unfortunately.

Viva - another regular poster did a v similar thing, and she has had quite the opposite experience to me.

moosemama Tue 04-Mar-14 22:07:09

That's who I was thinking about mrslaughan and her story wasn't the first time I've come across very similar situations.

Why, what happened to viva?

( paranoid as got my pup at 5 months)

snala Wed 05-Mar-14 07:37:17

Thank you all very much for giving me some brill advice. I think I may go for a younger pup as I'm concerned about socialisation.

He seems very quiet and reserved. I don't want a nervous pup!

He's a miniature long haired daschund.

tabulahrasa Wed 05-Mar-14 11:18:25

Um - if you don't trust a breeder to have socialized an older puppy...why are you buying any puppy from them?

good question...

snala Wed 05-Mar-14 12:42:35

Because there is a huge difference between an 8 week old pup going to a new home and a 6 month old pup that she was keeping.
I am very happy with the breeder, I just think a younger pup will be better to mould to our busy family. The older pup may not be used to being in such a busy environment and the comings and goings of a family as the breeder doesn't have children.
The pupils quite quiet and reserved I think we would be too much for him.

snala Wed 05-Mar-14 12:43:46

* pup is

tabulahrasa Wed 05-Mar-14 14:11:09

Those first eight weeks are vital too in terms of socialisation - either it's a good breeder and doing everything they can to raise well socialised puppies, or they're not.

In an ideal world, the puppy should have been born into a busy household, as the first 8 weeks are vital, ditto what Tabulahrasa said. Hopefully, if the family don't have children, they will have done all that they can to make sure the pups are exposed to as much mild stimuli as possible, perhaps they will have borrowed some kids! It is really important, even at this young age.

What breed is the puppy?

CaptainTripps Wed 05-Mar-14 19:59:20

What breed is the pup????

I was in a similar situation and I got the 6 month old. There were no issues whatsoever. Genuine reason for selling. We walked him a few times and spent lots of time with him.

He is a poppet. And he is house-trained! I have rather nicely skipped that hard work early puppy phase. Go for the older one.

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