Any dog experts want to help me out?

(63 Posts)
Crannog Fri 02-Aug-13 20:08:46

First question is does anyone know if it's possible to buy a healthy Cavalier from breeders who have bred out heart, eye, brain problems?

Secondly, if the answer to the above is no can you recommend me a breed please?
Small
Good with children
Good with cats
Trainable
Few health issues
Happy to romp all over the moors, beach but equally content to have a lazy day if I am ill for example.
'Pretty' - I really do prefer a beautiful dog. Beautiful to me are Retrievers, springers, working cockers, Kooikerhondes, cavaliers. So silky hair, big Brown eyes and droopy ish ears.

Help please! I want to make the right and responsible decision.

MillyMollyMandy78 Mon 12-Aug-13 12:04:49

So pleased! Post pics soon!

Oh lovely, sounds like it was meant to be wink post some pics when she's settled in

Crannog Sun 11-Aug-13 11:44:54

So it wasn't a rescue site. Rather word of mouth that someone had bought a cav puppy as well as 2 existing dogs (both very large) as well as 7 dogs that they look after during the day!
The mind boggles!
Anyway she wasn't settling and they didn't know what to do with her. They seemed pretty naive about the whole thing.

So anyway she's here. She's 13 weeks old and had been here 24 hours. peeing outside except 1 in her crate overnight. Poo outside today. Quite picky about the spot she would do it on. Grass only and lots of 'checking' first.
I think that's pretty good.
I've had to bath her this morning as she was so smelly but she's bundled up in a towel next to me now.
Love!

MillyMollyMandy78 Sat 10-Aug-13 22:56:09

I agree get the cav pup. Conscience is clear as you are rehoming a puppy in need. You won't regret it and the poor thing will be so sad in a rescue home. They thrive on human contact - go on... And come back with photos!

awwwwhhhhhhhh vibbe she's lovely!
I've wanted a Cocker spaniel for such a long time (it's not good timing for us ATM,perhaps in a few years) but its great to know about the difference in temperament between the show and working breeds. So thankyou! grin

Cran get the cav pup....you are obviously drawn to them,and a puppy just pops up on a rescue site?!
That's fate wink

Crannog Fri 09-Aug-13 22:21:34

Well she is just lovely. You could just give her to me and my problems would be solved! grin

Vibbe Fri 09-Aug-13 22:17:55

I can see you asked about show cockers on page 1...
We have a show cocker, and she's very chilled. Other than the normal daily walks, we give her around 30 mins of exercise/training and that's enough to tire her out.

My parents have a working spaniel, and she requires loads of exercise every day, even now she's 7 years old. She's crawling on the walls if she doesn't get her daily hour or two of exercise. My parents have been dog sitting our dog, and they were amazed at the difference. They are so jealous that my dog is so much easier than theirs.

Our cocker weighs around 10 kg, and she's good with kids. She has been easy to train. The breeder had a cat, and that was fine with the dogs. She's a velcro dog, but I quite like that.
She is good at being home alone, and we have not crated her - and she's in no way destructive or causing any problems at home.

If we only go for the daily walks, and don't go training/exercising, she's fine.

We don't do shows with her, and are not too fussed about her looking like a show dog - for us, it's more important that it's practical and easy (for us and for the dog). I trim her ears so they don't get so long, and in summer, she's been getting a very short fur as you can see here: i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd361/princesspig3/DSC_0263__zpsed536e28.jpg

Crannog Fri 09-Aug-13 21:45:05

Hey back for a quick update. I've found a rescue cavalier - 3 months old. Previous owners were not prepared for a puppy.

I'm so tempted.

saintmerryweather Thu 08-Aug-13 06:50:29

a eurasier is just a bigger version of a spitz. i was looking at their stand at discover dogs at crufts and chatting to them and the bloke was saying how you have to be their 'pack leader' and how they can be dominent and bolshy...based on the outdated views the breed club has about training i probably wouldnt go for one, he made them.sound difgicult. if youre willing to consider a sheltie, what about a german spitz mittel? they are about the same size as a cocker spaniel and really friendly little dogs

I don't know a huge amount about dogs,but have you looked into Eurasier's?
A friend has one and she's an absolute darling. V good family dogs apparently. smile

MillyMollyMandy78 Wed 07-Aug-13 18:41:21

Yeah they are - i found that a bit tricky when doing my research cos you only see one side of them. Also, they are not a particularly common breed so you don't tend to see them out and about much.

If you are checking out videos, look on youtube for a super gorgeous video of a sheltie and crawling baby playing together. The little boy is giggling like mad and the sheltie is loving it - so cute! They are having so much fun together? I love that video!

Crannog Wed 07-Aug-13 16:52:18

Just from a looks point of view. I've been watching videos on you tube and I'm warming. They are certainly very different in the home than the ones I see out on a walk.

MillyMollyMandy78 Wed 07-Aug-13 12:09:48

I have no idea about breeding for different coats, sorry! I do know that they can vary a lot, most of the dogs i know have quite full coats, tho one has a super fine coat tho, but not sure if she was deliberately bred that way! Is your preference down to looks/ concerns about grooming? Looks - fair enough, grooming - not sure it would make a difference

Crannog Wed 07-Aug-13 11:02:56

Ok MillyMolly your wily ways are getting to me and I am becoming more enamoured with the idea of a Sheltie. Do you know if some breeders breed for fuller or less dense coats? I'd prefer a less dense coat if such a thing was possible.

MillyMollyMandy78 Wed 07-Aug-13 10:41:10

Yeah we find the reserved when outside is a good thing, cos our cav is a nutter when we take him out. We put in loads of work to train him, but he is just desperate to say hello to every person/ dog he sees - lots of jumping and pulling on the lead etc. Sweet but can be frustrating and hard work at times. Our sheltie on the other hand walked naturally to heel from her first walk! So much easier!

The barking varies a lot between individual dogs and can train them not to quite easily. When she was little she would bark a lot in the garden - we have a little yappy dog nearby that would set her off. But we taught her the quiet command quite easily and you can see now she struggles really hard not to bark back at the other dog, but she does it - she comes running to us for cuddles instead! She is one year old now and she only barks occassionally when playing with our other dog, or if someone knocks on the door. Tb we like the fact that she barks at the door cos it feels secure (she sounds like a MUCH bigger dog than she is) - if that bothered you tho sure you could stop that just as easily as other barking.

One thing you will read, which is pretty unique to the breed, is that they are talkative dogs. They make a wide variety of sounds and seem to chat to you, ours does this funny little song as she stretches! It's hard to explain cos never heard other dogs do this, but it is NOT like barking, and is actually really sweet. If you go on Youtube there are loads of clips - look up Sheltie talk.

Crannog Wed 07-Aug-13 05:37:21

Yeah I've read that about Shelties which could well be a good thing though.

The thing that I've read though is that they can be very 'barky'. It's yours?

MillyMollyMandy78 Wed 07-Aug-13 01:13:37

Crannog - the Sheltie you saw sounds lovely. Ours is a tricolour so mostly black with white and tan patches. Whippets would have also made the perfect dog for us, but like you, they just didn't do it for myself or my DH. We really do seem to have similar tastes in dogs!

Another thing i forgot to mention, shelties are quite reserved in nature/ shy if not socialised properly, you don't get to see their true selves when you meet one on the streets. The ones I know are very well behaved and calm on the lead, but not really interested in other people. However, once you get to know them they are anything but aloof - first time you met mine she would sniff your hand then lose interest. After a couple more visits she would run and jump to meet you, lick you to death then roll over for a belly rub! So like shy people, they need time to come out of their shell!

MagratGarlik Wed 07-Aug-13 00:31:43

Not only local rescues. My two were from national rescues. The other rescues I spoke to were national rescues.

Many rescues near me were full of staffies too. Don't walk into a rescue centre and expect to find your perfect cuddly dog immediately. We took 6 months to find DDog1 and about the same to find DDog2.

This is comparible with the time it would take to get a pup from a well respected breeder.

Crannog Tue 06-Aug-13 23:30:23

No I know that the local rescues don't have a blanket ban and I do keep an eye on them. The harsh reality is that the rescues near me are full of staffies and large collie crosses. A young rescue dog could be perfect (in fact I have seen one but it's so far south that 2 x trips to see it would bankrupt me just now - hence planning for the new year).

I feel so bad because a whippet just doesn't do it for me.

MillyMolly would you believe I saw a lovely sheltie today? Almost peach in colour. Not really long hair though. Almost like a puppy cut which I didn't think you could do with Shelties.

Am I A) overthinking this or B) doing thorough research? My hear is spinning.

mrslaughan Tue 06-Aug-13 19:05:49

I wouldn't get a cavilier - for all the health risks.

I do see on my walks and cab- springer cross who is lovely - was not a designer dog - just two randy neighbours......maybe you could see if you could find an accident through a rescue?

Having said all that - I would have thought a whippet would met all your requirements and have relatively few health issues.....

Scruples seems to be a very good rescue (they will say whether they are fine with cats or not), and is often recommended on here.

MillyMollyMandy78 Tue 06-Aug-13 18:32:51

Crannog - glad i am selling it to you! There are quite a few forums on shelties that provided me with some useful info when i was considerin getting one.

I also agree with Magrat that a good rescue home could be the answer for you. Please check out the reputation of the home first as i know someone who had a terrible experience with a dodgy adoption centre: first time dog owners and were advised to take a completely unsuitable and vicious dog.

MagratGarlik Tue 06-Aug-13 17:15:19

Can I just set the record straight on the myth I see quoted so often on here regarding rescues and children.

Many different rescues can and do rehome suitable dogs to homes with children, even young children. We have two rescue dogs. One from the RSPCA and one from dogs trust. Ds2 was 2 years old when we got DDog1 and 3 years old when we got DDog2. We also spoke to Scruples, GRWE, our local branch of RGT when looking for our dogs and not one rescue said they would refuse to home to us due to the agrees of our children. All were happy to try and find a suitable dog for us.

I do get annoyed at regularly reading the, "we can't have a rescue because they won't home to us because of our children". Most DO NOT HAVE BLANKET POLICIES and will consider a home with children if the dog is suitable to live with children.

PuddinAforeDinner Tue 06-Aug-13 16:40:04

How about an American Cocker Spaniel. Not as big as the English Cocker and not so 'worky' either.

Crannog Tue 06-Aug-13 12:21:56

MillyMolly you are very persuasive so I am going to read more into Shelties and look for cute pictures to melt my heart

Crannog Tue 06-Aug-13 12:19:59

Basildon we have met before when had another name. You have already completely sold me on the Toller. It's just wonderful. But it's too big for us just now. It's my kids-are-teens-and-we-live-in-a-bigger-house dog.

Frettchen I am not against a rescue from a good rescue who keeps the dogs in foster homes and can therefore tell me what they are like in a home situation.
I keep my eye on many tears.

Other rescues won't re home to us as DS will only be 3.

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