Abusive Jogger

(55 Posts)
FragileTitanium Wed 24-Jul-13 07:58:16

Just got back from taking my puppy for an early morning walk. We met a very nasty male jogger who started abusing me because my tiny puppy started to jump up on him while he was jogging. I agree that this is unacceptable behaviour for my puppy - who is still learning. It didn't help that he was prancing about the place as though he was playing with her.

I'm a really responsible dog owner and I work really hard at it. I follow Gwen Bailey's perfect puppy advice (which is hard work), etc, etc.

However, so many people (joggers included) stop and pet the puppy and play with it that it undoes my training to ignore joggers. So it makes it so difficult when you get the odd jogger who really reacts badly.
We were walking in the country at the crack of dawn (literally), which is the only place my puppy is off lead.

It also didn't help that at 6 months old, her recall has suddenly gone to pot and when I call her, she runs away. I'm told this is typical teenager behaviour but it didn't look good in front of the abusive jogger when I couldn't catch my doggy to put it on the lead.

No point to this post, just letting off steam really.

Oh....re teenage thing. Should I start walking her on the lead in the country while her recall is unreliable? What are other people doing? Not much in Gwen Bailey on the teenage thing.

Chopstheduck Wed 24-Jul-13 09:26:46

mm, cycling I see them too. Had one the other day chasing us all, not even a puppy and clearly no recall whatsoever. I really don't understand why owners don't train their dogs properly for their own safety at least! A dog vs a bike isn't going to come off too well!

giddywithglee Wed 24-Jul-13 09:28:50

I don't have a dog, I'm just not a big fan of animal abuse grin

I do appreciate that people are scared of dogs and may give a little kick to push them away, but I think a hard kick is disproportionate.

Re: calling the RSPCA, I'd have to follow him home and then I might get done for stalking wink.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 24-Jul-13 09:28:54

I was brought off my bike a couple of weeks ago by an off the lead dog who charged right infront of my bike on a shared use path. Stupid dog owners decided to go on the opposite side of the path from the dog so I had to go between them and at the last minute the dog ran to them.

They muttered sorry and sauntered off and I did shout at them. Not nasty abuse but I told them that they should be bloody sorry. As I sat there with blood running down my arm and leg and quite a bit of damage to the bike.

They turned round and gave me a load of abuse for not accepting their apology. hmm

FragileTitanium Wed 24-Jul-13 09:30:45

I agree that it is not acceptable for a puppy to jump up on someone but it is difficult as people who stop and make a huge fuss of the puppy and encourage the puppy to jump up on them undo all one's hard work even though they are trying to be nice. It's one of the problems having a puppy that looks like a little teddy bear. I just know those same people would never do it to a staffy.

Many thanks for all the useful advice. I've just bought a long retractable lead online and will be using that and will keep training on recall and hope that it gets better. The dreaded adolescence seems to have arrived.

SaltySeaBird Wed 24-Jul-13 09:31:02

I was jumped on by a dog while running. No serious injury but broken skin and long scrape marks on my leg from its claws. Owner said it just gets excitable when it sees runners. I was not impressed and I'm nervous around dogs anyway, I was attacked when I was younger by a nasty collie. My sister was also bitten by a dog. I have to say I'm not that keen on them, other than on a case by case basis (I'm the only non-dog owner in the family).

If there are other people around and your dog is prone to jump up, keep it on the lead. I do not want to be jumped on. I will be rude.

MrsWolowitz Wed 24-Jul-13 09:32:29

Viva I think your DH should be more concerned about his safety from dog owners who might give him a hiding for kicking their dog than the actual dog.

Believe me, I'd catch the aggressive fucker. I'm very fast too.

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 24-Jul-13 09:34:41

viva I know there are some decent dog owners. But some dog owners are among the rudest most entitled and just plain ignorant people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. sad the owner of the dog that caused my accident laughed. As I lay there bleeding in many different places including my head and face. And told me her dog was just playing. And walked off.

MrsWolowitz Wed 24-Jul-13 09:36:51

the owner of the dog that caused my accident laughed. As I lay there bleeding in many different places

shock sad

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 24-Jul-13 09:38:09

Fragile you are much more likely to cause accidents with a retractable. I've seen one of those bring down a bike, messily. You need to train your dog or only take him off lead on grassy areas with no running/cycle paths. A runner running not on a path knows what he or she is potentially letting themselves in for, so that's not so bad. Retractables for dogs that won't come back are a terrible idea if you aren't actually trying to injure cyclists and runners - because when it comes to it I doubt you will choose to yank your dog back by the neck to stop it tripping a runner.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 24-Jul-13 09:40:04

Russians - I can believe it sadly.

MrsWolowitz, dh isn't an aggressive fucker at all. He's scared of dogs and out of fear there is a could chance he could act in a disproportionate manner. In his mind he is totally defending himself and he feels he needs to warn the dog off in this manner to do this. He's the most unaggressive person ever.

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 24-Jul-13 09:41:29

mrswolowitz Yep. Apparently the dog was only playing and I should have 'stood my ground' instead of 'going over like a baby' (I'm pretty small and slight. The dog was pretty big. I do fall over a lot (dyspraxic) but I think anyone my size would have gone over if jumped on by that dog)

I really despise dog owners who play the 'only playing' card. Despise them.

MrsWolowitz Wed 24-Jul-13 09:42:22

Giving a "hard kick" is aggressive on the off chance that a dog might bite him.

I shouldn't have called him a fucker so sorry, that was uncalled for but that behaviour is unnecessary, scared or not scared a "hard kick" is a massive aggressive overreaction.

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 24-Jul-13 09:42:47

Many people are terrified of dogs. Many dog owners are ignorant fuckers, to use your terminology mrswolowitz

MrsWolowitz Wed 24-Jul-13 09:43:25

Russians that's awful. What a horrible person sad

MrsWolowitz Wed 24-Jul-13 09:44:30

Yes many are ignorant tickets but a "hard kick" is just nasty unless a dog is actually attacking you in which case you can do what you like to protect yourself.

MrsWolowitz Wed 24-Jul-13 09:45:01

*tickets = fuckers hmm

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Chopstheduck Wed 24-Jul-13 09:53:23

my dh is terrified of dogs too. He wouldn't kick one, but he'd prob try to run faster to get away. Last sunday I came across a terrier who took offense to me running towards his owner, and so began growling and barking, and pushing his nose towards my feet. I stopped dead, dog content to back off, maintain position in between me and owner, growl and bark some more - warning me to keep my distance and I waited for the owner to come and fetch it.

Owner - Oh he won't hurt you, he is only trying to chase you!

Well, firstly I don't WANT your dog chasing me, and secondly it isn't, it is upset and if I had carried on, it would have got increasingly upset and possibly bitten me. DH being terrified, would have sped up, and probably got bitten.

If you love your dog, learn to understand it and control the bloody thing! It reminds me of a video I saw on facebook about dogs that suddenly 'turn' with no warning. Dogs DO generally warn, the owners just don't pick up on the signals.

Retractable leads are not the answer neither. dog needs to learn recall, and be on a short lead when the lead is needed. thegriffon's advice was perfect and I've seen this practiced when I've been out and about too.

TunipTheVegedude Wed 24-Jul-13 09:57:41

MrsWolowitz, I think when people are scared they go into 'fight or flight' mode. Flight isn't a lot of use because the dog just runs after them.
Kicking dogs, and definitely kicking puppies hard, isn't ok, but you need to understand that people aren't necessarily doing it because they think it's acceptable but because it's a reflex action that when something you are scared of jumps up on you, you fend it off as hard as you can.

If this happens and a dog gets injured it is as much the fault of the owner who let the dog jump up on a stranger as it is of the 'aggressive' person who did the kicking. Just as if a parent lets a child pet a strange dog and the dog is nervous and snaps at them, the parent is at fault.

Understanding that some behaviour is instinctual has to go both ways.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 24-Jul-13 10:00:31

Well he would see your aggressive overreaction as a defensive reaction.

In his mind the dog is attacking him when it jumps up at him....he isn't going to wait to let it bite him first.

He would try running first but dogs are quick so if he couldn't out run it then that would be his next step.

thegriffon Wed 24-Jul-13 10:30:00

Please don't get a retractable lead, they can cause horrible accidents. A long lead, ie a light trailing lead that you can grab if needed would be better, but ideally just use a normal lead and lots of training.
I saw a lab nearly get its leg sliced off by a retractable lead, lots of blood and yelping. It was playing with another dog (other dog was the one on the retractable lead) and they both got tangled up so impossible to retract the lead and neither dog would recall.
Also v difficult to reel a dog back to you if its running full pelt, you might have to let go of the handle and dog runs off anyway.

tabulahrasa Wed 24-Jul-13 11:53:07

'It's one of the problems having a puppy that looks like a little teddy bear. I just know those same people would never do it to a staffy.'

Um, they do it with my Rottie...

Abuse isn't really called for when you've got an apologetic owner who is trying to catch their dog, but, it's totally not ok to have your dog jumping at people.

Retractable leads are fine, if used sensibly - I have one, you use it with a harness, you don't let your dog play with it on with either people or other dogs and you hit the button as soon as they start running, not after they've built up speed.

I don't use it often though, it's really just for training because I can't use a long line, I tried, I failed.

Mostly what I do is, put him back on the lead as soon as I see someone - you don't need massively quick reflexes because I'm watching for people in the distance and he's not.

eurozammo Wed 24-Jul-13 11:57:52

Your dog was out of control (you said yourself that recall has gone to pot) in a public place. You would have got a mouthful from me too, and I am a dog loving jogger! I've had two dogs, live in a highly populated area, and have never had one jump up at a jogger.

I think you should use a retractable lead (sensibly) for a while.

Lizzylou Wed 24-Jul-13 12:09:36

I have had many a run ruined by dogs jumping up or suddenly crossing right in front of me. I completely agree with Russians posts. I have every right to run without someone else's pet wanting to "only play". If I wanted a dog I'd get one.

MrsW, personally I find people who don't mind dogs jumping up or indeed even biting them when out running, beyond weird.

Op, change your route, as others have said. It is great that you are attempting to train your dog, but not the joggers fault that his run was interrupted by your overexuberant pet puppy.

Floralnomad Wed 24-Jul-13 12:45:40

My son got bitten by a Dalmation on a public playing field when he was at school ( they used the field for games) ,the teacher had shouted at everyone to stop and my son hadn't heard ( he's deaf ) and the dog grabbed him from behind and bit his leg .The teacher was so concerned about dealing with my son that the owner had just walked away by the time anybody thought to speak to him. I'm sorry but dogs should not be off lead unless you have complete control whether they are aged,puppies ,cute ,ugly or something inbetween . viva my DH also got knocked off his bike a couple of weeks ago at about 9.30 at night ,he was on a road and the dog ran off a playing field and went straight into the road and hit him before veering back onto the field , the owners were way off in the distant blissfully unaware . What worried us more was that it could just have easily been a car and the dog could have been dead !

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