puppy training but not aloud outside?

(19 Posts)
ladythatlunches Wed 03-Jul-13 11:56:41

Our little pup is 8 weeks old we haven't had any accidents yet as he just poops on the paper.

He has his first lot of injections next week so if he us by a load out yet when do you start trying to poop train?

ladythatlunches Wed 03-Jul-13 11:57:13

Isn't aloud out yet*

littlewhitebag Wed 03-Jul-13 12:06:54

I assume you don't have access to a garden then? We let our pup out in our garden and trained her there. No idea if no garden. Sorry

Lilcamper Wed 03-Jul-13 12:36:42

Although the vet will tell you otherwise, it is ESSENTIAL you take your puppy out, even if you carry him. A puppy has a 'socialisation window' that closes around 14 weeks. Any new experiences should happen in this window, different people, different environments etc. after this time they will start to become scared of unknown experiences.

I carried mine alot too in those early days when he wasn't allowed on the floor. I would imagine house training is going to be alot trickier for you if you don't have a garden as I guess you will have to wait till all the injections done and the end waiting period to take him out.

poachedeggs Wed 03-Jul-13 13:38:07

argh!

Vets shouldn't be telling anyone not to take their puppies out until twelve weeks! This advice is really really problematic.

Puppies who have not completed their full vaccination course should not be walked in areas where other dogs may have been, or introduced to unknown dogs. However, to allow normal social and emotional development it is vital that they are exposed to as many different situations and experiences as possible, gently and sympathetically, before fourteen weeks of age. This can be done by carrying the pup everywhere and allowing it to meet known vaccinated (and good natured) dogs in secure environments such as gardens. This carries a small element of risk but in my opinion this is mitigated by the extremely high occurrence of behavioural problems in dogs who miss out on proper socialisation. If you don't expose young pups to real life situations they will grow up to be anxious and fearful, which increases the likelihood of future aggression.

This is a conversation I have almost every time I vaccinate a puppy. I'm so cross that there are vets out there telling people to keep their puppy in. This is a time critical situation and has lasting repercussions.

SVN Wed 03-Jul-13 14:18:02

We had this problem. We got an eight week old Labrador last week who seemed pretty keen to poo outside only (fantastic we thought). However, whilst in the garden he ate a small pebble and was subsequently sick a few times. When I phoned the vets fir some advice, I was told off by the receptionist for allowing him in the garden unvaccinated. However, to keep him in to go to the toilet when he's obviously already getting the idea to go outside, seems a backward step. We still let him in the garden, but just watch him carefully to ensure no further pebble incidents.

tabulahrasa Wed 03-Jul-13 14:26:26

I housetrained straight away because I have a garden that's never had an unvaccinated dog in it and no dogs at all for 2 years prior to getting my puppy.

If I didn't have a garden that was just mine, I'd take them on the lead just outside my house (path or slabs preferably) where ok dogs may have been walked past, but they're not hanging about there. There is a very slight risk involved, but it's up to a month of toilet habits that have to be changed if you don't start straight away.

You also need to take it everywhere, just make sure it's carried...my puppy went allsorts of places, I must admit it was more of a drive and a wee carry towards the end of the period before he was fully vaccinated, because he was blooming heavy, lol.

I also took him to meet my friends' dogs because I knew they were up to date with their vaccinations.

Lilcamper Wed 03-Jul-13 15:58:53

Unfortunately, it is a sad fact that more dogs are pts due to behavioural issues from lack of vital socialisation than die through distemper are parvo. Yet there are many vets out there still giving bad advice.

poachedeggs wish there were more like you!

ladythatlunches Wed 03-Jul-13 17:34:24

Thanks everyone. We have a lovely garden that unfortunately attracks foxs so wasnt sure if he would be aloud out.

Our dog is more socialised than me. My son takes him out holding him most afteenoons. Where ever I go he comes and all our neibours have dogs he has been over to meet and great everyday so far smile

Floralnomad Wed 03-Jul-13 18:11:26

If you're taking him out on a lead to toilet train him as opposed to just leaving him in the garden he should be fine. TBH training him to go indoors on paper is pointless as you then need to retrain him to go outside.

littlewhitebag Wed 03-Jul-13 18:57:20

We have foxes and rabbits, squirrels and deer galore around here but i let my pup go in the garden. I didn't give it a second thought and no-one ever suggested that i didn't do this. Have you been advised to keep him out the garden because of foxes?

ladythatlunches Wed 03-Jul-13 19:04:12

Yes I was told because of foxes ; 0/

Well took him out with his newspaper and he peed on it.he will just seam to go where ever the paper is which is fab.

You can hold him for about 2 hours and as soon as you put him in paper he goes smile

So tomorrow ill start putting him outside. On it and giving him treats for doing it? Does that sound like I'm on the right track.

He is so so little any little gust of wind just blows him over

Floralnomad Wed 03-Jul-13 19:39:56

Teach him a command word to go and that way he will always try to do something . We use 'go quickly' .

ladythatlunches Wed 03-Jul-13 20:32:19

Ok so if I use wee wee every time he I put him out? Then if he does loads of praise and treat?

littlewhitebag Wed 03-Jul-13 21:17:18

We used the command 'be clean' but i don't think it was very successful.

Many a night i have watched her wandering around the garden inspecting all the blades of grass as i say "be clean, be clean, BE A CLEAN BLOODY DOG WILL YOU I AM FREEZING HERE" <sigh>

TataClaire Wed 03-Jul-13 21:44:24

From the moment I got my pups home I paper trained them and took them outside to go to the toilet as much as possible as well as getting up through the night to encourage this and minimise the number of times any accidents occurred indoors so the associations were made then by the time they were physically able to control their muscles they already knew what to do. As for not going outside, I got round this by carrying mine in a comfy rucksack which I put on my front and went EVERYWHERE and said hello to EVERYONE! That little window where this all needs to happen by about 14 weeks is so important its worth all the effort! grin

Floralnomad Wed 03-Jul-13 22:08:11

Yes ,that's the way to go . My dog is 3 now but I can still get him to have a wee ( or a damn good try ) before I go out which is really useful. Don't be tempted to leave the door open so he can wander in and out alone until he's house trained as that can elongate the process because you really need to be there when he goes so you can do the excited praise and treat .( like a mad person)

ladythatlunches Wed 03-Jul-13 22:14:40

Fab. Tomorrow will consist of happy dancing to pee smile

No I wouldn't leave the door open I wouls worry someon or thing wohld nab him.

He is such a good boy hopefully he will take well to it.

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