Are you a Greyhound, Whippet or Lurcher owner? Come and have a seat on another new Pointy Hounds cushion!

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TheCunnyFunt Thu 13-Jun-13 10:18:28

Pointy hounds include-
Greyhounds (Grunds)
Whippets (Whippys)
Lurchers
Italian Greyhounds (Iggys)
Salukis
Afghans
And any others I have forgotten. If you are a new pointy hound owner, an old and experienced owner or looking into getting one of these fabulous creatures, come and have a seat (that's not taken up with a hound grin).

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Come The Day
Come the day I take that final bend,
Can I count on you to be my friend?
To see I’m treated just and fair,
It means so much to know you care.

For, what the future holds in store,
Now that I can race no more,
Should be addressed for every hound,
Who parts the punter from his pound.

Tell them I don’t ask for much,
A kindly word, a gentle touch,
Somewhere warm to lay my head,
A meal each day to keep me fed,
Not just life- but quality,
This is how it ought to be.

Do not see me swept away,
I long to live another day,
With peace of mind, tranquillity,
And those who care surrounding me,
So tell them all- you have that choice,
I beg of you to be my voice.

By Denise Dubarbier.

mistlethrush Tue 18-Jun-13 13:20:49

Downwind of a pointy cushion is, surely, a bad place to sit? (Although mistlehound's digestion now seems to be sorted so we're not being gassed out so regularly).

Re aggression - I'm not the best on this, but I would think that 'distract' with particularly interesting delicacies so that rather than think about the other dog he's focusing on you?

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 14:11:05

I always seem to end up downwind!

Distraction sounds like a good idea, I'll have to make sure I stock up on treats before we go out to pick up from school and give it a go, thank you.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 14:21:14

I would suggest having a look into BAT for lunging and snarling. You can read about it and watch a video [http://functionalrewards.com/ here]] and Grisha Stewart, who invented it, is also all over youtube and has written some books that are available from Amazon.

Basically you just reward your dog for making a good choice over a bad one when confronted with a situation he can't handle. So, if we ordinarily lunge and snap you'd reward him if he looked away or sniffed the ground as he approached the other dog. If he doesn't make a good choice, the idea is to walk away from the target before he reaches the point where he will snap, so he's never pushed over the threshold and remains feeling secure, so doesn't need to snap.

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 14:23:12

I'll go and have a look at that now, I want to nip this in the bud ASAP. Thank you moose.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 14:28:11

You're very welcome.

I am so broody for a puppy after playing with that one in the park this morning, especially having seen how lovely lurcherboy was with her.

Pup was of unknown parentage having been found dumped in a cardboard box with her litter. Definitely terrier of some sort in there and pretty sure there was some whippet too, as under her gorgeous soft fur she was really lithe and whippety in shape. Face was terrier, but fur was the softest I've ever come across - even softer than my Soft Coated Wheaten - she was gorgeous and super bright. Didn't take her more than a couple of seconds to work out where I kept the liver cake! grin

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 14:37:13

I'm getting very excited at the prospect of a puppy for us! When we got whippety boy I was more interested in the dog he would become because I knew puppy stage was only for a little bit of time and it was a while since I'd had a dog. This time I'm going to be prepared and really have fun, a bit like when you have a second child and lots of the anxieties aren't there because you've done it before! Soft Coated Wheaten sounds gorgeous I want to stroke it just hearing the name.

I'm looking forward to the walk to school now, there are a couple of gardens containing loose smaller dogs that really seem to get on his nerves so I will watch for the signal in him and try to walk away before he gets cross. I have a feeling I'm going to have a long walk to school if I have to go a different way but it will be worth it. I might phone the vets and see if there are classes as he's used to most of the dogs in our village so controlled meeting new dogs on leads would probably be helpful too. He was a star at puppy classes so hopefully we can get back to that.

Hi Lost, I'd definitely endorse BAT - we've used it for our lovely Mick. Mick has gained so much confidence and is now much more relaxed about seeing other dogs. We worked with our dog trainer initially on this - it was very helpful as we did a couple of "practice" walks with our trainer, so he was able to point out the key body language/threshold moments etc - it really helped to clarify it for us.

I'd also wholeheartedly endorse/recommend taking him along to training classes. You will both get so much out of it and it strengthens the bond between you immensely, even when you are already completely besotted - that was a revelation for me. There are positive trainers around and I certainly know of some in Carmarthenshire. Alternatively, I'd wholeheartedly recommend the guy we work with (he's APDT, and very, very good) - you could always fit in a session with him while you are up visiting at our end, IYSWIM. Welcome to the world of being a BAT ninja!

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 17:24:17

Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers. My girls was only lightly trimmed, so didn't have the Kerry Blue/Schnauzer square headed look that the show dogs have and she didn't have a docked tail either (had to wait over a year to get an undocked Wheaten).

I don't have our photos on this laptop - but she looked a bit like this when left natural and this when tidied up for special occasions. grin

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 17:33:05

Lurcherboy is totally zonked after this afternoon's walk. It definitely takes more out of him taking him to new places, although it was very warm which probably contributed.

It took me by surprise, because it's so cool in our house, so it was only when we were halfway up the road that I realised how muggy it was. Fortunately I had packed a back with water for both of us, as I knew I was going to be out for a while.

Still, he was fine. We just did a lead walk and stayed in the shade all the way round. Walked slowly, but solidly, for about 1hr 50 mins, then gave him his new kibble dispensing ufo before leaving on the school run and not a peep.

Listening to the tape, I reckon he just finished his treats a couple of minutes before I got in. So, as I was out for 15 minutes, it lasted around 10-12 minutes. Definitely need to invest in something with a bigger capacity for when we want to build up the amount of time he's left.

He has turned his nose up at his kong every time today. It has liver cake and cooked chicken in the bottom, with some peanut butter, then cottage cheese and banana for the top. The cottage cheese and banana was recommended by someone on the LL forum, but sadly doesn't seem to appeal to mr fussypants. hmm

Moose, we find that even our gannets seem to lose their appetite a bit in hot, humid weather. It's surprisingly warm and sticky here this afternoon, and breakfast was slowly picked at rather than demolished as usual. I'll probably feed them later this evening and give them a little less than usual - maybe Lurcherboy is similarly feeling the heat?

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 17:48:26

Cottage cheese and banana! I'm not surprised envy. Wheaten Terriers look like a gorgeous breed, I don't think I've ever come across one before, I'm bound to meet one on the beach tomorrow now!

Walking to school was a huge success. Again and again I forget my dogs ability to do anything for a bacon flavour treat. I watched him closely as we got near his nemesis house and got him to focus on the treat I was holding, he flattened his ears when the other dog threw itself at the gate snarling but was distracted in an instant and happily trotted away from it to a huge chorus of GOOD BOY's and fuss and treats. On the way home the pub dog (next door so not avoidable) was outside, it is renowned for being a vicious little bugger but again I distracted him with a treat and he went to lunge once but I got him before he did and again walked happily home to lots of praise. I suppose it's just easy to forget you have a companion when you are strolling along but once I paid attention to how he was it was much easier. Lovely boy, I will deffo look into some classes anyway Scuttle because as you say it is a really good bonding experience as well as teaching good behaviour.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 18:03:59

Scuttle, it's really cool - almost cold in our house though. In fact I am sitting here in a fleece. He's been more than happy to guzzle liver cake and chicken from the training pouch on our walks today too, so I think it's the banana that's put him off - although I did check he'd eat it by giving him a couple of chunks when I was making the kong up.

LostInWales, SCWT are on the endangered breeds list for the UK - although they're actually an Irish breed. I think they're on the increase now though, as I've seen several round here over the past few months. Oddly, I've only ever met one in Ireland, despite spending lots of time there over the years.

Really pleased he responded so well to his bacon treats, hopefully with a bit more reinforcement you'll be walking past those other dogs without him batting an eyelid in no time.

Am very envy that you get to walk on the beach. I live right in the middle of the country - totally landlocked and I love nothing more than walking on the beach with my dogs. I have to wait for my two weeks of beach walking in Ireland every summer and arrange a couple of day-trips during the rest of the year. sad

mistlethrush Tue 18-Jun-13 19:54:37

Mistlehound doesn't like banana - wouldn't try the end of mine the other evening. Quite unlike mistledog who ate nearly any fruit going - including grapefruit!!! shock

I'm going to look into some classes I think - would be good to have somewhat better obedience, although she walks nicely on the lead, and is getting the idea of 'close'.

I'm chuckling at wearing fleece and we are almost at Midsummer's Day grin. Every spring, I have this hopeful, optimistic picture in my head of a summer going to dog shows, filled with me in wafty, cotton floral dress, or cut off jeans and sandals, lightly bronzed by the sun and wearing my shades. The reality was Sunday. Steady, persistent drizzle, so I was wearing my fleece, no make up (cos otherwise it just all runs), wet, flat hair, long trousers and my Clarks sensible dog walking boots. Sigh. Same as I wear in the sodding winter. And if it's not persistent drizzle, it's just humid and grey, and I look like a slightly damp raspberry turnover.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 21:20:55

He ate the banana I gave him earlier quite happily, but thinking about it I did the chuck it in the air and catch it think, so it probably didn't touch the sides, let alone his taste buds. grin

I've been thinking about taking lurcherboy to a local club as well, but can't make up my mind which one. The one I really want to go to is mid-week in the morning, which would mean I'd need a lift from my Mum. There's one with a very good rep that I could walk to on Sunday mornings, but they all look scarily like proper 'dog people' iykwim and I fear making a total pratt of myself. blush The other one seems popular with new dog owners, but is very old-school and there seems to be some in-fighting and if I know that about them already, without being involved with the club, it kind of sets alarm bells off a little.

When/if I get the pup I will be going to the midweek club, for at least the initial course of puppy classes though, as I like their approach best and feel they have the most to offer a pup in terms of sensible socialisation. Have already sounded Mum out about lifts and if I'm very lucky, I might even be able to persuade her to give lurcherboy a leadwalk while I'm training the pup.

Scuttle, I am just the same, living in vain hope of a consistent spell of actual summer weather and dreaming of our whole summer holiday bathed in glorious sunshine. hmm grin Had to laugh at slightly damp raspberry turnover! grin

It's humid and hot here, Billy struggled towards the end of our run tonight. He loves strawberries and ate my apple core the other day! I would love to spend more time in the beach. We're about 1hr 15 mins from the beach but they don't allow dogs April-September sad

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 21:30:49

It's hot and humid here too - just not in my house - well nowhere except for my bedroom anyway (south facing and three external walls). hmm It's like a wall of heat hits you as you open the front/back door - really odd.

My Wheaten girl and I used to share a punnet of strawberries every week when I was at college doing my canine studies cert. She'd sit under my desk and we'd plough our way through the lot while we did all the classroom stuff, before going outside for the training elements, where she would happily work for a strawberry if there were any left. Mind you, she was the weird dog that would work for the pleasure of sniffing a banana skin, despite not actually liking to eat bananas. confused grin

MagratGarlik Tue 18-Jun-13 23:12:32

Moose, I think you might be relatively local to me, in which case I can recommend a good trainer. Only uses positive reinforcement, has an assistant who adores pointys, has rescue dogs and will do clicker training.

With the weather, we are possibly planning on a weekend under canvas. <<brave>> the boys have a long weekend from school due to inset days and a friend is returning to the UK from a few years in oz, so we will possibly go visit and tie it in with a trip to the beach. We too are as land-locked as it is possible to get, so I love time by the sea. My dream would be to live in Dorset and have accessible beach all year round.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 10:45:23

Thanks Magrat, I don't really need a trainer, but would like to start taking lurcherboy to a local dog-club on a regular basis - more for contact with other dogs and a bit of bonding for the two of us than anything else really. The biggest problem is that I don't drive, so the clubs I want to attend aren't all that accessible to me outside of the weekend.

That said, he seems to have completely forgotten all his recall training this week, little so and so. He's always had a great recall, but seems to be 'choosing' when to return, rather than coming thundering back, at the moment.

Have already walked him today, with the weather report predicting really high temperatures for this afternoon. So I think I'll do some recall work with him at home instead of his usual afternoon walk, to wear him out before the afternoon school run.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 16:48:32

Well, I have had an upsetting and stressful afternoon.

Went out for lunch by the canal with Lurcherboy and Mum. When we arrived the carpark was full, so we parked in the overflow and walked up through the shade to have a lovely lunch sat in the shad of a big tree. All good so far.

Walked slowly back to the car and sat around for a while with all the car doors and windows open as it was ridiculously hot inside.

While we were waiting we met a beautiful whippet girl who was just about to go on her walk and got to talk 'love of pointy hounds' with the owner and fuss each others' dogs.

One of the whippet's owners went to get a parking ticket and came back to say there was a dog locked in a car further up the carpark. We checked and sure enough, there was a border collie locked in the boot of a big black 4x4 in full sunshine. It's an unmanned carpark and there was no-one to ask so we waited to see if an owner would return, but no-one did. The 4x4 had been there since we arrived and we had been for a walk and had lunch. It looked as if perhaps they'd tried to squish it into the shade, but if they had, it must have been there a long time, as the sun had moved right round and there was no shade anywhere near it. The dog was panting and obviously hot and they'd only left a tiny pop out window open a fraction.

The other people went off to ask at the nearby business centre, but no joy there and we couldn't imagine where the owner might be. It's just a canal, where people go for walks, with a cafe you can sit outside. There's nothing else there and nowhere you would go and leave your dog in the car.

So, I decided to call the Police on the 101 number. Tried three times and their operator kept putting me through to the local branch and cutting me off. angry When I did eventually get through ... their response? "We don't deal with animals - you need the RSPCA". I explained that I had no way of writing the number down and they said, ok leave it with us, thank you for calling and that was it.

So grabbed Mum's smartphone and googled RSPCA, but we had hardly any signal and couldn't get hold of the number. So we had to drive a couple of hundred yards up the hill to a local pub carpark to get a signal.

Called the RSPCA - it was farcical. It took nearly 15 minutes to get through to an operator on their 'emergency line' the whole time spent with them trying to get donations for money and all the while the poor dog possibly dying and definitely in distress, having been in the car for 40 minutes since we first saw it, probably much longer.

Got through and it took almost 10 minutes for them to take the details. They wanted all my details first and I just wanted them to get someone out to the dog. angry

Finally they said the call had gone through to the local team and someone would be out asap. Then they tried to get me to donate - again. By this time it had been 50 minutes and I was seriously late to pick up my dcs from school - a half an hour drive away. We were parked in the shade with the aircon on for lurcherboy and the car temp was saying it was 24 degrees in the shade. sad

Didn't have time to go back and see if the dog was still there (ds1 has ASD and I can't be late to pick him up) and a couple of minutes into the drive the RSPCA called me back to say they had no-one available so had passed it back to the police and would I give them permission to pass on my details. shock

So the police said the RSPCA had to go out and the RSPCA called the police - who could have bloody well gone out in the first place, when I first called what felt like an aeon before. angry

I checked that someone was definitely en-route to the dog and that was that.

I have asked them to let me know if the dog was ok, but the RSPCA said it would depend on what action, if any, is taken against the owner and may take some time. Not sure anyone will contact me and let me know now it's been passed back to the police.

I was literally shaking and felt sick with worry for the poor dog. The bloody RSPCA asked all my details and phone numbers etc first, then what the dog looked like, including colour etc and was sooo slow. I had the location, car type and number plate - that should have been all they needed - but no - they kept me on the phone for 10 minutes, after 15 minutes waiting to get through and then didn't attend anyway. angry

I feel so upset now. I can't believe the dog survived and wish I could have broken into the car - but I didn't know how and I would have been charged with criminal damage if I'd tried.

If I could get my hands on the idiot that left that poor dog there in probably 26/7 degree full sunshine where they were Godknowswhere I wouldn't be able to control myself. sad

I was late for the dcs as well, but fortunately ds1 was also ver late out, so didn't notice. Whereas dd was sitting on her own in the nursery 'helping the teachers' when I arrived. Fortunately the teachers are dog lovers too and completely understood why I was late.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 16:48:59

shock Mahoosive post - sorry, needed to let it all out somewhere. blush

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 17:31:49

Oh my God, I would have done just the same, I can't believe the lack of help you got from the police or RSPCA, I also can't believe people are still stupid enough to leave their dogs in a car full stop let alone for that length of time. Well done for doing so much for that poor dog, you did everything you could and fingers crossed it turns out OK and the bloody owner gets shot. Or at least seriously told off and stopped from having more animals. Grrrrrrr.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 17:53:11

Thanks LIW. You are very kind, especially as on my other thread people are saying I didn't do enough and should have broken the car window - even though I had nothing to break it with. sad

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 18:07:47

See, I thought break the window and then I thought 'yeah, and be sued by the owner, cautioned by the police thanked by no one and left to feel an idiot for trying to help' ultimately it's not your responsibility and you did the absolute best you could at the time with the tools available to you. What if the dog died after you had broken the window, then what do you do? Or do you steal the dog if it's ok and take it to pick up the DC's? Minefield.

Just to make you feel better, I'm off for a swim in the sea now ;-) but if you want to chat I'll be back in a bit.

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 18:09:17

Oooh, see how long I've been off MN, I meant wink.

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