Help with toilet training, pulling my hair out!

(35 Posts)
Marne Thu 07-Feb-13 17:34:14

Puppys been with us for 3 weeks now, i take him outside, praise him when he does anything, am now walking him once or twice a day.

Have tried crate training him, during the day it seems to go well, been taking him outside every half an hour or so, praising him if he does anything but then it comes to the evening and i let him out to do training and he poops and pee's everywhere, i take him outside first or walk him but he will go the whole walk without doing anything (as soon as we get in he does it on the floor). I just took him outside where he did a wee, came in and thought i would let him have a play with my other dog whle i wash up, come back in to find 3 poo's on the floor, he must have been holding it in all day so he could do it on the floor. I put him straight out when he's done it but doesnt seem to be sinking in (that he needs to do it outside), he has also wee'd in his crate (in his bedding) and seemed happy to lie in it.

Where am i going wrong? should i keep him crated all day and only let him out to go in the garden? seems mean to do this as he wants to play and we spend time doing clicker training.

Help?

BrendaB85 Thu 14-Feb-13 13:36:13

We trained our dog from a puppy using a special mat. You can buy them in most pet shops... Oh ye don't forgot the treats too! xx

Marne Thu 14-Feb-13 13:23:15

Thank you, we have had a good day so far, he's been crated and i'm taking him out every time he crys, wakes up and eats, we have just go back from a walk where he pooed (lots of praise).

The vet gave me Royal Canin recovery dog food (which cost a fortune) which is ment to be chicken and rice but its made his poo's worse (i did try and tell the vet that chicken made him worse, i think they just thought it was my dodgy cooking) so i have put him back on the dry which makes poo's a little bit firmer. Will see what the vet says. I crated him last night and he woke me 5 times, each time i put him out and he did something each time (including 2 poo's despite me not feeding him after 4pm), today i have fed him 2 larger meals (breakfast and lunch) and will give him a smaller meal before 4pm in hope we get less toilet trips.

Floralnomad Thu 14-Feb-13 09:15:50

As the OP has said in this thread ( and others ) this puppy came to her with a loose bowel issue that has been ongoing since and its been very difficult to settle him on any food , poor little thing . If he's anything like a child with loose stools I doubt if the poor little fellow knows when he wants to go until its too late ,and therein lies half the problem . You have my sympathy as I think it may take him a while to get it .

BangersAndMashh Thu 14-Feb-13 08:34:42

I agree with Turniphead about the dry food - it makes them drink lots, and in turn pee lots. My lab is on dry because wet food upsets her tummy (everything upsets her bloody tummy).

Oh and I forgot to say before, are you feeding him 3/4 small meals a day while he's a pup? They tend to poo a similar amount as the number of meals they eat. I found when mine was a pup, if I let her out about an hour after eating she would do her business. smile

Turniphead1 Wed 13-Feb-13 22:39:56

If it helps a number of trainers I know all recommend food like Naturediet or Lilly's kitchen rather than kibble as the latter absorbs so much moisture that it causes dog to drink more thus more wees. A wet food with high pure meat content should also cause a poo to come out straight after mealtimes.

So the theory goes. Don't know what you're feeding or if this would help. Good luck!smile

Marne Wed 13-Feb-13 21:38:12

Thank you, will try and keep him in the crate tomorrow and take hime out on the lead. I'm sure my other dog wasn't this tricky grin, after i wrote my last post i got up and trod in a puddle. I dont feed him after 4pm but he still poops in the night or around 4am. He's now snoozing in his crate so will take him out before bed and then shut him back in.

Toilet training this pup is harder than it was to toilet train dd2 (who's autistic) and that took quite a while smile.

Turniphead1 Wed 13-Feb-13 20:48:24

Don't use bleach - it contains ammonia and thus a smell similar to the urine.
We had a dog trainer come out who said everytime the dogs wees or poos in the house that create a "nice" memory snaphot in her brain that will make it harder and harder to housetrain.

Prior to that I had thought the accidents were just part and parcel of having a puppy.

Now, we crate her all the time that she is not (a) in the garden (b) on a walk (and I am giving extra of those due to crate time, but short obvs) or (c) fully under my beady gaze, doing training /play etc. I hate doing it but I need to get her trained as quick as poss. Wish I had done this from the get go.

The other option is to keep her attached to you on a very short lead wrapped through your belt buckle as she is unlikely to go whilist very very close to you.

If your pup is crated - if you go straight outside on a walk she will go on the walk eventually. If you treat or click they will get it that its ok to do on walks too.

HTH. I feel your pain. Toilet training is the thing I hate most in parenting and dog ownership...

Marne Wed 13-Feb-13 19:48:53

Thank you, he seems to wee on demand outside (i say 'go wee wee' and he often does it straight away), poo's seem to be trickier, he has done a couple outside and had lots of praise and a treat but still seems to hold on as long as he can to do it inside (when i happen to take my eyes off of him). He has ahad a poorly tummy sinse we got him which hasn't helped, i spoke to the vet today as everything we have tried (verious food including chicken and rice) have not made much difference so he's seeing the vet on friday, mainly to put my mind at rest over his weight and the loose stools. He seems to poop 4-5 times a day and drinks loads compared to my other dog (which makes him pee so much more).

I can handle the night time accidents but would love for him to be clean during the day, he still doesnt ask to go out at all but can ask to come back in when outside, he will go out with my other dog but she's very lazy so doesn't go out often so i have to go with him, he doesn't seem to want to explore are large garden, just sits by my feet smile.

BangersAndMashh Wed 13-Feb-13 15:40:31

Sorry to hear you're having problems with toilet training your pup - it can be a very testing time!

What you need is a cue word - a phrase your pup can associate with doing his business. When we want our dog to do her business we say "get busy" (upbeat voice works best). Always have your dog on a leash when toilet training, it makes it easier to stop them spending half an hour sniffing in one spot getting distrated.

When your dog starts circling/sniffing one spot (showing signs they are going to do a wee or a poo) then start saying "get busy" (or cue word of your choice), Once your dog starts to go potty, stop saying the cue word. In fact, stop talking altogether! The reason? If you talk to your dog while he is going potty, he will most likely stop and concentrate on you instead of what he should be doing.

The second your dog has finished his business, immediately praise and reward him with a treat. At the same time, repeat your cue word over and over again, “Good get busy! Did you get busy?! Good get busy!” At the same time, continue praising your dog and giving him treats.
From that point forward, remember to only use that cue word when you truly want your dog to pee or poop on command.

To stop accidents in the house, the only answer is to watch your puppy like a hawk! When they wake up, let them out. When they finish eating, let them out. When they finish playing, let them out. When they get up from having a rest, let them out. It is literally a full time thing toilet training a puppy, and can be tedious, but it pays off quickly when you stick to it, trust me!

Stick with it and it will work out. Good luck!

youfhearted Wed 13-Feb-13 14:52:37

plus i have started to feed her last meal earlier in the hope of poos coming before bedtime <<worked only once>>

youfhearted Wed 13-Feb-13 14:48:50

oh and a reward in the form of a treat for a wee in the garden. that seems to work

youfhearted Wed 13-Feb-13 14:46:51

oh and on a walk she doesnt do anything but i take her in the garden as soon as we get home

youfhearted Wed 13-Feb-13 14:46:17

I READ recently you should set your alarm to take them out in the night! but i dont do that, just put up with poo on the kitchen floor, but in the day she touch wood, has cracked doing poos in the garden. lots of praise seems to be the trick.
and ignore the mistake in the house <<just like children really>> grin

HDee Wed 13-Feb-13 14:25:32

How are you reacting when he wees or poos in front of you?

If he is only doing it when you leave the room, buy a long lead, and tie him to our belt, so that where you go, he goes.

Marne Wed 13-Feb-13 14:22:35

Still not getting anywhere, just spent 20 minutes in the garden, he did a wee and then just sat there on the grass refusing to move, we came in and he pooed on the floor. I took him for a run in the field yesterday and let him off the lead in hope he would do something, we walked all across the field and he did nothing, he came home a peed in the floor. Feels like he's getting worse.

Marne Mon 11-Feb-13 08:07:23

I'm using bleach and floor cleaner (on laminate) sad. We seem to have a good day where he will mainly go outside and then a few bad days where he will pee everywhere.

HotPinkWeaselWearingLederhosen Sun 10-Feb-13 23:04:52

Just use biological powder or washing liquid to clear up and ensure no smells. smile

Notcontent Sun 10-Feb-13 22:59:38

I think you are right about the cleaning thing. Will try harder!!

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Sun 10-Feb-13 22:43:50

What are you cleaning the floor with? If he can smell where he's been it will be marked as his toilet area for ever more. You will definitely need to bleach everything and I think you can get some stuff that apparently masks the residue, not sure about that but ask your vet or local training school.

Notcontent Sun 10-Feb-13 22:26:20

Hi Marne - just wanted to say I am having exactly the same issues! It feels like my puppy just wants to do it inside.... And yes, early morning poos on the kitchen floor. Lovely. No advice, but wanted to say you are not alone!

youfhearted Sat 09-Feb-13 11:58:27

I FOUND if our puppy slept on our bed she was fine -and i carried her downstairs and put her in the garden. but obviously that is not a full term solution.

it is a slow old process isnt it

Oh you have my sympathy, I don't have any answers I am afraid but it must be bloomin' frustrating. Good luck.

Marne Fri 08-Feb-13 17:23:02

Most of the time when i take him in the garden he will pee as soon as i say 'go wee wee' but wont do it on a walk and poo's are hit and miss, he seems to think once he's done a wee thats it, time to go in or he just sits by my foot or on the grass looking at me.

I am now only using paper at night to save our floors because if its not mopped up straight away my floor will be ruined (rubbish laminate flooring). Last night i slept downstairs with him so as soon as he woke i could let him out, he woke at 1am so i let him out and then again at 6am but then at 6.30am he had wee'd and pooped on the floor sad. He's now in the crate and i'm taking him out every half an hour, just took him out and was outside for 20 minutes (in the cold) and he just sat on the grass and stared at me as i wondered around the garden saying 'go wee wee'. The week after i got him he was happily peeing on the paper at night and never on the floor but would poo anywhere, now he's peeing everywhere and pooing on the paper.

I will be able to spend more time walking him next week, dd2 has been home all week so its been tricky, plus he had a bad tummy at the begining of the week (vet told me not to take him out with a bad tummy).

I hope we crack it soon as i hate the smell of puppy poo first thing in the morning <boak>.

Pizdets Fri 08-Feb-13 17:19:25

Hi Marne,

Sympathize with you on this so much! It felt like forever for our puppy to 'get it' but it really was actually only a few weeks.

The one thing which really cracked it for us was using the crate more. I had a few intensive days where he was in the crate WHENEVER I didn't have my full attention on him. It literally took 2/3 days of this to go from being very patchy to 90% there, which was a huge relief.

Something else which worked for us was rewarding him for standing by the back door when he wants to go. So he'd scratch at the crate when he needed to go, I'd sit him by the back door and treat him then let him out. He seemed to catch on quite fast after that.

I know you said your puppy was ok to soil in his crate so sorry if this is irrelevant but hope it might help a bit!

Piz

Floralnomad Fri 08-Feb-13 11:41:06

Perhaps the paper has confused the issue , I've never used paper or puppy pads as I think it gives mixed messages . I think you need to go out with him and stay out till he does something then play for 5 minutes and then bring him in . Do you have a command word ? I use go quick or quickly and still use it now at 2.6 years if I need him to do something before I go out .

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