I have just read In Defence of Dogs and really enjoyed it. I hadn't really considered it before, nor had strong feelings but had been "trained" in the 1990s by going to classes. All I want to say is I bow down to you MN Doghouse people and can see why you react to sweeping dominance statements. I still believe that dogs need to find their place and know where they are in the family but I totally concede to your general consensus. Thank you.