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Quick advice on why puppies shouldnt leave mum before 8 weeks

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oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 12:18:27

Hi have named changed for reasons that will become clear.

I was due to buy a puppy from a relative of exhs, we only told them YESTERDAY that we were definately taking it.

I had arranged to pick puppy up when it was due to leave mum.

They messaged me and asked me to collect next week. Puppy will be only just 6 weeks by a day. I messaged them back and said I would not take the puppy at 6 weeks as it was too young to leave mum and that they had only just gone from lapping to food etc.

Exh has sent an aggressive email back basically TELLING me I am taking the pup and the person (his new fiances daughter) will be pissed at me if I dont.

Help

You should walk away immediately and have nothing to do with any of the people involved in this. By buying a puppy from these people, you are perpetuating the poor care and breeding, and future problems which are a headache to dog volunteers like Val, me and others, and the despair of reputable breeders, of whom there are many on MN.

If your ExH is continuing to threaten you, please report to police.

A pup should not leave its mum until a minimum of eight weeks - by leaving earlier, you are likely to have a dog that could be prone to health and socialisation problems later on in life.

If you are set on buying a pup, then get one only from a reputable KC registered breeder.

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 12:58:29

Thankyou scuttle I was not set on a pup, we were going to an animal sanctuary to get a rescue but where offered the pup as exh was feeding them at the time, the dog had to have an emergency hysterectomy following birth.

I had had my concerns and originally backed out of taking him and told them so when pups where 2 weeks old. DD was heartbroken so yesterday afternoon I said we would still take him if he wasnt spoken for. He sent message saying fine but we would have to collect next week.

I sent this message to him

Hi I have been told not to take pup at six weeks cause it is too young. Been told not to take it till at least eight week pref ten.

Hes just replied saying

Problem is X has factored your money now and she will be very pissed if you dont take it. Other people are asking her about it loads during the day wanting it for themselves. Sorry for being blunt but I cant tell her a second time that you dont want it.

Hes going to be difficult with me even more now where dd is concerned but I wont be forced to take a puppy too young to leave mum

Elsaz Wed 15-Sep-10 13:00:00

Scuttle is right, walk away. If the daughter is pissed off it's not your problem.

could you pay for it but not pick it up for two weeks?

get a receipt/photo of your specific pup if you do this

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

magnolia74 Wed 15-Sep-10 13:03:56

A puppy learns a huge amount in the weeks it shares with it's mums and siblings, behaviour that will be needed to ensure it has the best possible start in life.
The mum doesn't just feed and let go, she will teach the pup how to behave, play, love etc...
Also staying with it's siblings for at least 8 weeks (I prefer 10!) plays a big part.

To be honest even if the owners now agreed to keep pup longer I wouldn't take it as I would be worried that mum would be seperated from pups regardless sad

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 13:07:49

I have just been told they are doing "her head in"

I have just looked and it was 14.28 yesterday I asked if pup was still available.
So at 11.00 today the owner is reliant on the money and will be "very pissed" if I dont. The puppies are only 5 weeks old!

Elsaz Wed 15-Sep-10 13:11:36

sad more evidence that this person should not be breeding dogs.

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 13:12:15

Puppies were born on 11th august so 5 weeks yesterday! So next week when they wanted me to collect it would be 6 weeks and 3 days

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 13:27:21

Butterfly I am not doing, we were looking for a dog anyway as have always had dogs but not for last couple of years, work from home now so ideal to be at home with it. I had told them I wasnt taking it due to age, hence the message from exh

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 13:40:50

does anyone know if it is actual legal to sell a pup at 6 weeks?

Lizcat Wed 15-Sep-10 13:55:44

There are very rare cases where I would advise pups going to their new homes as young as 6 weeks the last occasion was a litter of husky pups who had torn their mothers boobs to shreds - deep ulcers that took 6 weeks to heal- we did this for mums long term health. These pups had been eating solid food for 2 weeks and were very well grown, well socialised pups. I only recommended this to protect mum.
I would feel that anyone who is pressuising you to take a pup at a particular time is not an ideal person to get a pup from.

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 14:01:32

The mother is not feeding, she had to have an emergency hysterectomy following birth so they have had to be hand fed till now.

Bella32 Wed 15-Sep-10 14:07:05

Not illegal to sell them at 6 weeks, but the breeders sound like the kind of people you wouldn't want to be involved with.

What kind of dog is it, OP?

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 14:10:17

Bella I will give you one guess! Based on the fact exh is also getting one and calling it an alcohol name.

I have sent this message to him

My concern is my daughter being upset because it becomes ill or hasnt learnt socialisation skills learnt from mum.

When I asked yesterday if still available I was asking based on picking the pup up on the time we originally said (oct) when the pup was the right age to leave mum. I was not expecting to be picking a 6 week old pup up who has just started lapping!

If you want to be funny with me about it fair do's but Im not prepared for dd to be upset in order to please someone a) i dont know b) only told yesterday afternoon i wanted a pup which is currently 5 weeks old

oldienotamoldie Wed 15-Sep-10 14:11:20

I had already explained concern for the pup in a previous message.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Bella32 Wed 15-Sep-10 14:13:46

Good message. Sorry - I can't guess. I can be extraordinarily thick at times though grin

The main concern is the socialisation, but if the pups are hand reared that may already have been - um - compromised anyway. Depends how much contact the pups have had with mum...

Ripeberry Wed 15-Sep-10 14:14:07

Sounds like he wants your money and they want the pup out of the house angry.

Do you think they will harm it if you don't buy it? Could you not pay for it and say you'll pick it up in another two-three weeks?

Or do you think he will double cross you?

Staffie it has to be.

mamatomany Wed 15-Sep-10 14:17:17

Well at least the dog has had a hysterectomy so they shouldn't have any more puppies doing her head in
I assume this is accidental breeding rather than a pedigree in which case she has a bloody cheek charging and does she realise you will require a receipt for your payment and she will be open to court action if the puppy isn't healthy for it's lifetime ?
In accepting cash it becomes a business transaction and is covered by trading standards.

Clumsymum Wed 15-Sep-10 14:24:44

Oldie

Of course it isn't ideal to have a puppy that young, but it sounds to me like it will be seperated from the mother next week anyway, and sold to anyone who will pay for it. In which case at least you are a very caring person, from the sound of it.

I have taken an orphaned puppy on before now, she was about 5 weeks we think (eyes were still tinged blue). She had no socialisation problems, but we did need to feed her quite carefully.

She would have 2 meat/fish meals, slivers of grilled chicken with boiled rice, or fish with rice (I seem to remember buying fish fingers & taking off the bradcrumb coating !!), and two milk/cereal meals of BOILED milk and weetabix each day, moving onto puppy food gradually after 10 weeks or so.

It can be done, and is likely to lead to you having a VERY devoted dog, cos they are soooo much more reliant on you so early.

In your shoes, if you know the puppy is likely to be dumped with anyone ANYWAY, I'd consider it.

Clumsymum Wed 15-Sep-10 14:26:35

Oh, should have said, as long as you can devote the huge time and effort such a young puppy will take.

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