Benefits street ep3

(119 Posts)

Anyone watching?

stopprocrastinating Mon 20-Jan-14 21:17:43

Yes I am! I think Callum's parents need some one on one support.

They need help!

Dixy30 Mon 20-Jan-14 21:20:07

So depressing watching the young couple.. Poor kid up until 5am in a pigsty with no boundaries hmm

I really don't think they're effective parents from what I've seen so far.
Obviously it's all edited but those things still happened..

RhondaJean Mon 20-Jan-14 21:20:55

She could really do with mumsnet at the very least.

GeraldineFangedVagine Mon 20-Jan-14 21:22:00

I find this show so sad. I cant imagine how the people on it can escape their situations, it just seems so bleak.

I don't like how they keep saying young parent, single parent etc.

We're young parents - absolutely nothing like that.
I feel so sad for those children sad

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:22:34

Oh dear this is not about poverty this is about poor parenting

Boundaries , routine taking children to school regularly and cleaning your home cost nothing.

QueenBoudicea Mon 20-Jan-14 21:23:33

Absolutely - are their children considered 'in need'? To be fair they're probably offered quote a bit of support but as resources are limited is easy for people to slip through the net. At least the boy is in some sort of nursery provision which should help with skills to start school etc.

SoleSource Mon 20-Jan-14 21:23:58

Feel sorry for the children as the parents know no better. sad

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:25:41

Jazz I agree I had my son at a young age and my home was never that dirty and he was always fed

Oh my word just saw the boys feet they were completely black funny that all bathed and clothed when he come knocking hmm see how easy it is for families to pull wool over eyes when half the time they are naked , dirty and up till 5am

Mmm the house was a lot cleaner too wasn't it.

Rice crispies at midnight and up till 5. No wonder he didn't want to go to nursery.
sad

SoleSource Mon 20-Jan-14 21:30:14

I do not feel this is about 'young parents'. It is lack of education and the parents have had a tough time.

RhondaJean Mon 20-Jan-14 21:32:14

I know parents who are in similar situations (through work) and not all of them are young parents.

Conversely my best friend had her daughter at 17 and she has always worked, kept her house immaculate and fed and looked after her well.

QueenBoudicea Mon 20-Jan-14 21:32:53

Didn't everyone tidy up for the health visitor is though.
I think they do want to do well for their kids - they're accepting the support offered which is half the battle.

PontOffelPock Mon 20-Jan-14 21:34:41

This has been an eye-opener for me - you can really see how people come to be in these situations - they learn that way of life from their parents, neighbours, friends. So sad for the children, what hope do they have for a better life?

ReputableBiscuit Mon 20-Jan-14 21:35:27

The mum seems very sweet and vulnerable - she just needs help.

QueenFuri Mon 20-Jan-14 21:35:44

I've got too agree I had my first child at 19 and he was (and is) a fed, clean and in bed for a reasonable time! I have a DS about the same and he has his moments but is always at nursery. Routine is what's needed in that house, In 10 years time that boy will be causing chaos due too his early years. Hopefully the parents will get some help.

MorrisZapp Mon 20-Jan-14 21:36:58

To be fair they seem like loving parents who just need support, presumably as their own model of family life was shit.

They want help, and are cooperating with the help offered.

moondog Mon 20-Jan-14 21:37:02

The red haired girl is not stupid. In a different set up......

He's 5 and he knows what a spliff is!

I don't think this is about young parents but it does annoy me when they keep repeating that they're young or single mum etc as if 'oh that explains it'

Dh and I are nothing like this and nor are any other young parents/ single parents we know.

I guess poverty isn't just financial it's also about education, ambition, pride etc

entersandmum Mon 20-Jan-14 21:38:41

White Dee is really starting to annoy me.

hickorychicken Mon 20-Jan-14 21:40:46

This episode is making me sad.

ReputableBiscuit Mon 20-Jan-14 21:41:03

I assumed from earlier episodes that Gerrard was much older - he doesn't seem 5. Not sure if that's a size thing or loss of innocence/street wisdom.

kylesmybaby Mon 20-Jan-14 21:41:25

White dee used to work In the council office and stole loads of money to take her bf on holidays.

GeraldineFangedVagine Mon 20-Jan-14 21:42:05

White dee is lazy and negative. Mark and becky seem feckless and ill equipped but willing to change. I feel so sad for the kids.

ReputableBiscuit Mon 20-Jan-14 21:42:25

Tell you what, the kids on this street get lots of exercise - lots of shots of playing outside, climbing gates, cycling.

What
Did she get done for it ?

It's true they do - lots of bikes etc

moondog Mon 20-Jan-14 21:44:23

White dee started out as genial almost earth mother but now seens increasingly ill tempered and entitled.

The social workers just seem so out of their depth.

Finlaggan Mon 20-Jan-14 21:45:08

This is the first time I've seen this programme. I am shocked.
Those poor children, what chance do they have?

It's all very well saying the parents needs help, but what about the children? They are up all night in the same clothes they've been in all day with black filthy feet eating rice crispies covered in sugar at midnight. It's the children who need help and they're not going to get that from those two.

RhondaJean Mon 20-Jan-14 21:45:29

Jazz if people could learn one thing from this series I would like it to be just that - that poverty isn't just about money, but loss of opportunity, loss of contact with what we would consider to be normal life...

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:46:14

Is there a pyjama party going on always I there pyjamas hmm

PontOffelPock Mon 20-Jan-14 21:47:40

Yes agree Finlaggen - but that poor couple probably had exactly the same start to life as their kids. Its a never ending cycle sad

sonlypuppyfat Mon 20-Jan-14 21:48:25

He's got a nice bike both of them smoking they seem to find cash for that.

Icantstopeatinglol Mon 20-Jan-14 21:48:49

Watching this makes me thankful for my upbringing and so sad for those poor children.

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:49:20

The knack

They are not social workers they are health visitors

And all those people who feel that this is outrageous what is outrageous is the state of the kids and the fact in the uk in 2014 a grown man has never yes never had employed work

PistolAnnies Mon 20-Jan-14 21:49:42

Wow I do not usually get so enraged by TV shows but I am absolutely disgusted and deeply saddened sad

The porch - OH MY LORD!!! And such vile language in front of those babies ? hmm

CalamitouslyWrong Mon 20-Jan-14 21:50:21

The problem with the entire series is that it's designed to encourage people to generalise from the cases described as 'young parents', 'single parents' etc.

Callum's parents so obviously need lots of support. It seems so very obvious to many of us where they're going wrong, but they clearly don't have the life experiences or social networks that would help them to do the same. It's also hard to help them because they are fearful of professional involvement in their lives, and feel judged etc. I'd hate someone coming in and scrutinising my parenting. I'd find it really hard. It takes bravery to accept the kind of help this family need. Well done them for doing so.

They must be totally exhausted. I keep watching and thinking about how much better life could be for them. Enough sleep and not feeling life is a constant struggle against their children would make such a difference.

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:51:36

Oh yes white dee is now depressed I was waiting for that now she can claim on the sick

kylesmybaby Mon 20-Jan-14 21:53:00

Jazz - yes it will be on the internet somewhere. She had a good job there but stole loads. It's how she helps them all with their benefit troubles. Lol

racmun Mon 20-Jan-14 21:53:23

Amazes me that the children just seem to play outside in the street without any real supervision. Would you let your child Jump/climb on a dirty old bed and sofa.
White Dee just seems to accept that her son will get into trouble and doesn't seem that bothered.

Poor kids

CalamitouslyWrong Mon 20-Jan-14 21:53:38

Yes, Rhonda, the problem here is social exclusion rather that simple poverty. The two often go along with each other.

I think it's sweet how happy they are that Callum's asleep. The sure start support is doing what it's supposed to.

PistolAnnies Mon 20-Jan-14 21:54:02

If she spent less God damn time on that feckin step and more time cleaning that house ggrrrrrr angryangryangry

ReputableBiscuit Mon 20-Jan-14 21:54:11

Seriously, how is Gerrard five?! He looks ten.

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:54:24

Sorry "totally exhausted" from what all the hard work there doing

There seems a lot of sitting around and the only work that gets done is cleaning in order to convince others they are coping with they are clearly not

All it would take would be one unannounced visit

rainbowfeet Mon 20-Jan-14 21:55:41

So hope these people are a tiny tiny percentage of the population because I feel so sad for the children of these families... How will they escape this cycle of no hope, no self respect, no ambition & no work ethic hmm

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:55:44

100% commission confused

racmun Mon 20-Jan-14 21:56:36

I'm watching slightly behind time- take the fag out your mouth and you might be able to buy your children some school uniform.

Titch (?) at least has the right idea.

Poshnosh Mon 20-Jan-14 21:56:37

What a cunt, how can she hit, shout and swear at that little boy sad

SoleSource Mon 20-Jan-14 21:56:39

Poor boy sad

PistolAnnies Mon 20-Jan-14 21:57:02

I'm sorry but you're all saying the couple need support, more help etc but you do NOT need help in being able to clean your house and wash your children angry

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 21:57:41

Rainbow you just need to look at the amount of children that are on the at risk register or in care there are many families like this sadly the left would rather pretend they don't exist.

PinkPeanuts Mon 20-Jan-14 21:57:41

Horrifying listening to a child being called a stupid idiot and being sworn at. Really sad and completely ineffectual sad

Icantstopeatinglol Mon 20-Jan-14 21:58:16

White dee is infuriating me today!! That poor little boy! The way she speaks to those kids is disgusting. I wouldn't speak to my worst enemy like that.

QueenBoudicea Mon 20-Jan-14 21:58:56

Sometimes you do need help for those things if you've never been shown how to do it.
We learn from our parents and if they haven't had the skills how do we expect them to learn.

CalamitouslyWrong Mon 20-Jan-14 21:59:00

But clearly this couple do need support to achieve that. Going on about how awful they are for not doing so doesn't actually solve the problem, does it? Helping them to make things better, on the other hand...

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 22:00:53

Will white dee put a bloody bra on ffs

Poshnosh Mon 20-Jan-14 22:01:09

They managed to tidy the front room and bath and dress the kids when the HV were coming though didn't they??

recall Mon 20-Jan-14 22:01:25

Mark looks lovely in his suit, and Callum in bed . Brilliant, I'm so pleased for them.

ReputableBiscuit Mon 20-Jan-14 22:01:57

To be fair to Mark, he's only 20 or 21 so it'a not like he's been unemployed for decades, and he did get a job - not his fault it didn't pay any basic pay.

moondog Mon 20-Jan-14 22:02:02

Calamitous, the trouble is that all state funded caring sector is almost totally ineffectual in dealing with this however well meaning it is. I know, I am part of it. Sure start was a case I. Point. Millions spent with very poor outcomes.

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 22:03:22

Clamit how long do you wait for parents to get there shit together

The little boys is 3 he hardly goes to nursery to the doctors there feet are black because the floor is so dirty.

And ss should defiantly be keeping a eye on

recall Mon 20-Jan-14 22:03:26

Oh sad

CalamitouslyWrong Mon 20-Jan-14 22:03:33

There are programmes that are much more effective than sure start (which where I was, seemed to provide free baby massage classes to the middle classes).

PontOffelPock Mon 20-Jan-14 22:04:51

How would you ever break the cycle though? Even encouraging these people to work won't make any difference to the social deprivation/education side of things, will it?

A few parenting lessons really aren't going to significantly change anything for these parents and the next generation.

GoofyIsACow Mon 20-Jan-14 22:04:59

I switched off at ten to to go for a shower, it was a sad episode sad

Sadoldbag Mon 20-Jan-14 22:05:10

Posh nosh exactly they knew they SHOuld be doing it as they did it when ever a professional came

Retropear Mon 20-Jan-14 22:09:38

I'm shocked at the lack of support.

Re the couple why didn't ss organised the parenting course, is that it re getting a job for somebody clearly not that bright-somebody helps you fill in a CV?Then off you trot- to a job clearly ripping you off.

Really don't see the point of cutting their benefits when they're that low already.

Found the whole thing shocking, first time I've seen it.I honestly thought I'd be livid re the the whole scroungers thing but I didn't,just incredibly sad.It's so hopeless for those kids.

Don't think I'll be beating myself up so much re my kids- they're so incredibly lucky.

That's true re doing it for the professionals. If they know how to do it and they know that they should ... Why don't they?

They did seem to be getting it a bit together more by the end. Sleep helps and I think the pride of a job etc?

DrNick Mon 20-Jan-14 22:10:51

shit
i am older than DEE

stopprocrastinating Mon 20-Jan-14 22:13:59

I thought Becky was brighter than her bike skidding part et. Callum and Casey were loved, and with lots of help, I thought they could improve themselves.

Disliked white dee, it was awful how she treated her son, and I didn't think she was as pooy educated as Becky and her partner (forgotten name).

It was all rather sad. first time I've seen it.

stopprocrastinating Mon 20-Jan-14 22:14:35

Partner even. Damn phone. Can't remember his name.

stopprocrastinating Mon 20-Jan-14 22:15:29

Poorly educated even.

Retropear Mon 20-Jan-14 22:15:46

Yes I thought Becky would be better looking off work however dp was wondering if she was worried re leaving the kids as he clearly wouldn't cope.

PistolAnnies Mon 20-Jan-14 22:19:11

Am I the only one thinking here that SS should be targeting the likes of white Dee for the way in which she clearly abuses her children ??? angry

racmun Mon 20-Jan-14 22:20:49

Dee's poor little boy. She's the self proclaimed mum of the stteet ehich exstreet

racmun Mon 20-Jan-14 22:21:25

.... Which says a lot!

ColdTeaAgain Mon 20-Jan-14 22:30:30

Watching on +1, finding it very sad viewing so far.

I am well aware that this programme is highly edited but you can't edit the mess and the fact that the childs feet were black with dirt. This family need an awful lot of help. They clearly love their children but this is no way for a child to grow up sad

theywillgrowup Mon 20-Jan-14 22:37:14

when the series started i didnt take to white dee but others did

she think's she runs the street and nothing goes on without her knowledge

she think she's ma baker of birmingham

i suppose her putting herself up for the matriach of the street it gives her some authority and social standing in her eyes as outside that street shes a nobody pretty sad

thats my take

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 20-Jan-14 22:41:01

Another sad episode sad

Kids need boundaries and proper bedtimes and lots of love

The kids on the street are often neglected sad and surprised ss don't intervene after programmes like this / yes lots is edited

But they still swear at their kids lot
Look dirty /unwashed
Houses are very untidy and messy

Havnt seen a house that's tidy or clean yet

As I said last week is it coz they just can't be bothered or sunk so low that they don't care

Owing £3k in rent shock

I can understand that single parents can't work but why can't that couple?

And yes their living room seemed very tidy when hv there

Are there jobs in that area or is it they don't want to work!

Each week white dee seems worse sad

First week I thought she was ok and helpful

Last week a bully and kept telling her son off for swearing - yet that's all she does

LadyKooKoo Mon 20-Jan-14 22:48:40

We lived about ten minutes from that road up to a year ago. It is about 15 minutes from the city centre. There are hundreds of jobs doing different things and at different levels available. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

wintertimeisfun Mon 20-Jan-14 22:55:14

fwiw my cousins grew up vaguely similar. my aunt had constant men round, i used to go round there and more often than not she was in bed with a different man. my cousins were always filthy, as was her flat, rarely any food in the cupboards. my mum used to take food round there as did my grandma. i was very close with my cousins, i was only 5 ish but clearly remember the stuff that used to go on in that flat including domestic violence (sometimes with me trapped there). it was really upsetting. my aunty was cleared depressed. she used to be in bed whilst my younger cousin would be romaing around in his pj's in the snow (remember it well) whilst my other cousin was in her cut (11am) still hadn't had breakfast and in filthy nappies. my point is that they BOTH have good lives, all bit it a tricky path for one of them however they have good successful lives, they deserve a bloody medal for what they grew up with

CatAssTrophy Mon 20-Jan-14 23:13:24

I want to know why this is allowed to go on?

Why are those men being allowed to drink and smoke drugs on the street? Isn't that illegal?

What is all that rubbish doing on the street? Old sofas, bin bags etc.

Why are the parents allowing very, very young children to go out unsupervised when there are drunk/high people roaming around?

Why are they being so aggressive/swearing to and in front of these children? In the older children, it's clear they are mirroring the adults' attitudes/aggressiveness.

I found it really sad to see Becky being too scared to ask for help sooner because she was afraid of the authorities. And was relieved when they were offered professional advice. I just hope it continues.

I also found it horrible watching Tyrell's gran hanging up on Tyrell's mum during their phone call.

On a positive note, it was nice seeing Mark being proud of making his first CV and showing it to Callum.

But it didn't last long.

He really seems to love his family, but baulked at Becky's suggestion of getting a job. It seemed to me like he is lacking in self-confidence.

White and Black Dee both seem utterly vile from the footage that's been shown.

horsetowater Mon 20-Jan-14 23:17:49

wintertime what do you think helped your cousins through this to make a success of their lives?

CatAssTrophy Mon 20-Jan-14 23:23:43

Just watched the last section.

I'm so happy that Mark got a job, but sad for him that it's commission-only.

Over the moon that Becky is using the advice given to her to help her children. Before, she just seemed lost. But it was nice seeing her take charge. Just goes to show what a bit of outsider help can do.

White Dee's reaction to the lost bike. angry

hickorychicken Mon 20-Jan-14 23:31:09

Did you see the surestart workers face when met with the dregs on the doorstep! I thought the way mark speaks to becky is a bit....threatening. confused

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 20-Jan-14 23:42:26

Why give mark a commission job only ie one that he has to sell /get people to donate - to earn any wages sad

Surely white dee allowing her 5yr? Son to go to the park alone and in the dark is neglect sad

I also thought the way mark spoke to Becky was intimidating and with venom. I was thinking 'oh no he's going to hit her' at one point sad
They have responded well to the parenting classes though and clearly love their children. I think they need some more classes and support perhaps with some councilling and if mark could get a job that isn't 100% commission and actually earns some money and self worth they would be much happier as a family.

White dee at first I thought she was a down to earth bubbly lady but as the series has progressed I'm seeing a lot of neglectful, abusive type behaviour. It did say that she suffers with depression so I wonder whether that coincided? My mum has depression but she never spoke to me like that though.

Tiredemma Tue 21-Jan-14 09:45:51

I wish someone would give that Mark a chance- his whole demeanor, even his walk was different when he had a job. He looked like he felt he was worth something.

I was a bit irked by them putting on the 'clean kids/clean house' show for the HV's though.

Nancy66 Tue 21-Jan-14 10:06:53

Every single family on that street seems to be prioritising their cigarettes and booze over their children.

Did anybody else think that Callum had a very mis-shapen head?

wintertimeisfun Tue 21-Jan-14 10:29:13

horse i don't think it was down to any one thing tbh. my cousin (boy) has had an awful life mentally because of what he experienced (drugs, mh issues) however he married very young to an older lady that really loves him. he is a struggling builder/not much money but has a really tight happy family life. my other cousin (lady) joined the army very young, was always clever and ended up studying and now has a really good medical related job. she never found lasting successful personal life however (won't go into it) which she puts down to mental scars from her upbringing. my aunty was pretty crap as a mother, you could write a book about their life with her, makes eastenders look tame, but my (lady) cousin has a lovely home/fancy car, all of which make her happy as she grew up with nout'. they had a good family behind them (my grandparents & my mother), that must have helped, plus of course they had me!!! (only jesting)

wintertimeisfun Tue 21-Jan-14 10:34:31

tire i agree, i thought mark was really good the way he did that job, he was polite, enthusiastic, articulate. i think he would shine in the right job. if i lived nearby and was watching, if i had a suitable job i would want to give him a chance. c'mon people..

i can't help feel sorry for white dee. she oozes depression. i can't see anyting about her life that is going to help it either. i feel sorry for her kids. her daughter looks so empty if you look at her face, i really feel sorry for the kids, that little boy was really howling when she was screaming at him about losing his bike. what bloody chance do they have? i think the daughter has more hope than her brother tbh

Retropear Tue 21-Jan-14 10:37:33

I wasn't impressed with the Surestart worker's costs bum face re the kids playing outside.It's hardly the fault of the parents if they live in an area filled with drug addicts,what are they supposed to do,lock their kids up 24/7?

I also think sitting outside on the sofa all day,I'd be doing the same in order to keep an eye on them.

The couple clearly have zero experience re parenting and maybe have a few learning issues,that isn't in their fault.I found/find parenting hard and I've had a secure upbringing and education.

Where is the support?

That said,no re the continual smoking.Their 3k in debt is probably 3k worth of nicotine at £8 a pack.

Oh and Dee needs to get off her backside.

Retropear Tue 21-Jan-14 10:38:24

I did think the Surestart worker did an excellent job though.

Tiredemma Tue 21-Jan-14 10:41:43

Every single family on that street seems to be prioritising their cigarettes and booze over their children

this is very similar to my own childhood (and childhood of my cousins on my mothers side). My mom is from a large family and a huge chunk spent most of adult life out of work and on benefits or working but cash in hand. (They actually all grew up around Winson Green in bham and my parents were married in the church that featured last week)

Everything seemed to revolve around alcohol- we wasnt 'abused' but I suppose nowadays SS would perhaps view some aspects of our living as 'neglect'.

Amazingly- bar a couple who got into drugs at an early age (including sadly my own brother)- my 'generation' of cousins have gone on to be successful for want of a better word. Most of us attended University (but as mature students- funding ourselves) to gain access to employment as Nurses, teachers, social workers. The males have tended to start their own businesses (landscape gardening, plastering, building etc)

As a group we are far more successful than our parents. I do think we must have all collectively agreed (telepathically!) that it wasnt the life for us and it certainly wouldnt be the life for my children.

My 13 year old son watched this with us last night and was aghast- he couldnt believe what he was seeing. I told him about my childhood - he asked why I am not like 'big dee' then hmm- I dont know what the answer is really?

Tiredemma Tue 21-Jan-14 10:43:06

I think because Mark and his partner look so 'old' you forget that they were 17 when they had their first child- so kids themselves really.

Nancy66 Tue 21-Jan-14 10:45:48

Retro - I don't think expecting parents to keep their toddlers away from junkies is unreasonable actually!

Retropear Tue 21-Jan-14 10:53:32

Erm how do you do it when you live in a street filled with them and have limited outside space?

Think those if us living in our m/c bubbles aren't best placed to judge unless we live in a street filled with junkies and very little outside space ourselves.

I find it hard enough sheltering my dc from bully boy next door and his rabid pet dogs.I am lucky we have a good sized garden,a car and enough cash to take them out for the day.

Nancy66 Tue 21-Jan-14 11:00:35

Well, for starters any 2 and 3 year is too young to play on the street whether they live on Benefits Street or Millionaire's Row.

Retropear Tue 21-Jan-14 11:09:39

Rubbish if the parent is monitoring it properly.My 3 played out in their cars,toy buggies etc frequently at that age under my supervision in their nice m/c street.Many kids have to because that is the only outside space they have.

PistolAnnies Tue 21-Jan-14 13:48:19

I'm with Nancy66, I wouldn't dare let my little ones play out in the street, and they're 6 and 3!

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 21-Jan-14 13:52:36

Totally agree kids shouldn't be playing in the street alone

I said the same earlier about dees son playing in the park alive and in the dark

If the street shown from birds eye at beginning is theirs then they have back gardens

Tiredemma Tue 21-Jan-14 14:55:13

I wouldnt want my kids within a mile of Funghi and his mates. They do have gardens behind those houses also.

Lottapianos Tue 21-Jan-14 15:13:36

Very sad episode. I have worked (NHS) with loads of parents like Mark and Becky - quite sweet and well meaning but not a single clue about how to be around a child never mind be a parent. Children's Centre parenting advice is excellent and it was lovely to see the change in Becky's understanding of the situation developing when she got some support. I felt sorry for Mark, that job looked soul destroying.

White Dee was vile to her little boy over the bike incident

Nancy66 Tue 21-Jan-14 15:22:27

White Dee's daughter seems like a nice, bright kid. Hope she gets the hell away from her mother as soon as she's able. Bet Dee will be one of those mothers that expects her daughter to become her carer though and never have a life of her own.

At least Mark and Becky were going to parenting classes. Thing is they're both very young so they'll have another 2 or 3 kids in five years' time and they'll never quite get on top of their situation.

PrivateBenjamin Tue 21-Jan-14 16:24:11

Dee's daughter seems like a smart girl, I hope she has hopes and dreams for the future away from that street. Dee's behaviour to her son was disgusting. The screaming and sending a fiveyear old out at night in the dark to look for his bike is just disgraceful.

I felt really sorry for Becky and Mark. They really want to be good parents but they just don't know how. Mark was so proud of his first CV, even showing it to his son, it brought a tear to my eye. I noticed Dee took the piss out of a spelling mistake on it when Mark showed it to her, she is just a horrible negative person.

Lottapianos Tue 21-Jan-14 17:54:20

Nancy, the whole way through the program I was looking at Becky and Mark and thinking PLEASE for the love of sanity do NOT have another baby!

Nancy66 Tue 21-Jan-14 17:59:00

me too. You just know they will though....

glammanana Tue 21-Jan-14 18:03:53

Nancy66 I'm with you with the fact that the children shouldn't be playing in the Street at their age,they where right near the Road and the mother sitting on the step what chance if they ran into the Road : no chance at all !!the mother could not even control the little boy when they went shopping why couldn't she put him on reins to stop him running off - simple solution in my mind, their parents are not that uneducated to clean up the disgusting front room prior to HV arriving so they must know the way things should be,and white Dee comes across to me as someone who knows "The System" inside out I was also shocked when I read she had been found guilty of stealing all that money when she was employed by the Council,I can't remember what the outcome was but certainly if she was fined for the offence it would have been paid via benefit money she claimed so technically paid by the people who pay contributions when they go to work,no excuse for not having a job of somekind even volunteering would give her some self esteem I think,but I expect she will still be sitting smoking in her tip of a house until she draws her pension.

Pixel Tue 21-Jan-14 19:13:01

Erm how do you do it when you live in a street filled with them and have limited outside space?

Er, you do what my mum did when I was little and we lived in a small flat in town, she took us to the park every day.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 21-Jan-14 20:46:18

and the couple with £3k rent arrears, again if they both stopped smoking then would have enough money to pay it back each week - bet they smoke 20 a day each, so £12 a day minimum brand depending, thats £84 aweek shock

moondog Tue 21-Jan-14 20:50:49

It seems she had no qualms about stealing money destined for vulnerable people. Somewhat at odd with her champion of the proletariat persona.

NinjaBunny Tue 21-Jan-14 21:07:24

Why did the camera men not intervene when White Dee was bellowing at her little boy and sending him out in the dark?

Maybe given him a hug when he was sobbing outside.

And got him some proper food, rather than that bit of chicken leg he was eating.

White Dee is the worst on the street.

angry

rainydarkskies Tue 21-Jan-14 21:36:49

I still think White Dee has been edited heavily.

Mark and becky - blimey, sorry case there. Two people who aren't particularly attractive, bright or with any family support from what I could discern who just seemed so helpless. Just slumped, waiting for HV, for SS, for the government to step in and be their parent. They are parents but clearly need parenting themselves.

nikkihollis Tue 21-Jan-14 23:44:14

Just watched this on iplayer. Beyond sad and bleak. As so many have said, it's not just about poverty - it's about ignorance and dependency - on nicotine, alcohol, drugs, the state.

I'm not British and although I've seen much more acute and unavoidable poverty - kids without shoes, minimal access to medical care, mucky because there's no running water in the home etc - I'm not used to seeing fit adults not working and children exposed to so much negativity. Being poor doesn't mean you automatically have to deprive your kids of sleep, adequate food. sufficient bathing or let them run around unsupervised in an area high in crime and substance abuse.

As the guy in tonight's episode said - if you don't work you don't eat. For a vast percentage of the world's population, that is a fact. I love the fact that the UK has a welfare system. At home. sick and disabled people often have to beg so they can support themselves, which is beyond terrible. The benefit system here though allows people to treat it as a way of life if they want to. Surely it is something you can fall back on if you lose a job, are sick or disabled or need it to supplement a low wage? I felt really sad for everyone on tonight's episode. There just seems to be total ignorance about basic nutrition, basic child rearing and an expectation that the state will and should provide.

hickorychicken Wed 22-Jan-14 07:12:33

I disliked white dee from the offset, i grew up in a similar place and knew a woman like her, she was awful and her kids grew up to be bullies And criminals, she used to think of herself as the mum of the estate and thought people actually respected her grin .
On other threads about this show people have blamed bad editing showing these people in a bad light... well if you loook on google street view of that street becky is sat eating macdonalds in her front garden and black dee is sticking her fingers up at the googld car...cant blame THAT on editing! I do think they love their kids a lot they just need a bit of help.

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