Omg SHERLOCK is back on New Year's Day

(294 Posts)
Sneezecakesmum Sat 14-Dec-13 18:00:35

How did he survive jumping of that building? How did he get all that blood back inside him? How did he survive being dead?! shock

boogiewoogie Sat 14-Dec-13 22:08:47

You mean, how did he fake his death?

DameDeepRedBetty Sat 14-Dec-13 22:11:51

... all will be revealed ...

On New Years Day. So you'll have to wait, like the rest of us.

<mwah ha ha>

Sneezecakesmum Sun 15-Dec-13 09:46:58

How can you fake close ups of is (a) falling from the top of a building. (b) lying broken and bleeding on the pavement 3 seconds later with a clear close of his face!!!???

Waiting with trepidation. Please don't let it all be a dream in the shower like Dallas!

wheretoyougonow Sun 15-Dec-13 09:49:07

I am soooooo excited about this. Fantastic tv start to the new year. I think he used a 'dummy' body off the roof....then I get stuck!

OodKingWenceslas Sun 15-Dec-13 09:59:38

I think it was Molly helping him.

diddl Sun 15-Dec-13 10:00:31

It's not real!

It wasn't real blood, he is pale & was just pretending!

diddl Sun 15-Dec-13 10:01:11

And Molly was involves somewhere?

Is Watson married by now?

faints fwink

diddl Sun 15-Dec-13 10:04:59

Ooh, Lars Mikkleson is in it!

Pan Sun 15-Dec-13 10:13:32

There was a van. Full of mattrasses......and Molly had some friends in the mortuary, with a good line in masks.

guineapiglet Sun 15-Dec-13 14:30:38

We have all just rewatched the first two series, really great writing and acting, can't wait until New YEar's Day - its going to be fab by all accounts.

Sherlock did ask for Molly's help before he went off to meet Moriarity at Barts - but it had to look realistic to keep the killers of his friends at bay.

I kind of wondered if he had changed the corpse with Moriarty who had already killed himself, did we ever really see the body, I think we did, but with Sherlock's DNA, who knows - certainly John Watson was convinced.
<Overthinks it all again....... just like with Homeland>

Can't wait!! grin

boogiewoogie Sun 15-Dec-13 21:14:20

There are theories on the internet if you're interested.

The mattress on the van would have broken his fall. The blood was applied when John got knocked by the bicycle. Sherlock was surrounded by accomplices to obscure John's view while having fake blood applied to make it look realistic....

Sneezecakesmum Mon 16-Dec-13 11:11:17

I watched the repeat on bbc 4 last week and didn't get the Molly connection! But sounds right, somehow confused

Lots of people surrounding him after falling so maybe?

According to the new episode trailer he is gone for 2 years!

Can't wait either, and no bloody adverts every five minutes fgrin

OodKingWenceslas Thu 19-Dec-13 09:23:27

He has the homeless network too, I thought that's where the bystanders come from.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Fri 20-Dec-13 14:14:51

I am so excited about this, cannot wait.

IHaveSeenMyHat Fri 20-Dec-13 14:16:48

I rewarded the last ten minutes of the last episode last week. It's SO good.

One thing I did notice is Sherlock directing John where to stand - and there's a building obscuring John's view of the ground so he never sees Sherlock hit the ground (because he falls into the truck instead).

IHaveSeenMyHat Fri 20-Dec-13 14:17:14

*rewatched

Damn you autocorrect.

Hassled Fri 20-Dec-13 14:17:46

Oh I'm so EXCITED!

The explanation had better be bloody good. If they come up with some bollocks about it being a stuffed Sherlock or that he landed on a pavement made of featherdown mattresses or that he put a "Dead Sherlock" mask on as he fell, I will not be happy.

Molly was definitely part of it, though. She had access to dead bodies.

LeBearPolar Fri 20-Dec-13 14:20:48

Molly is important because of the way Moriarty tells Sherlock that he is threatening all the people important to Sherlock - Watson, Mrs Hudson, Lestrade. But not Molly. Everyone forgets about Molly, which is what she herself says to Sherlock - "I don't count."

I've also seen internet rumours about the man on the bicycle who knocks John over - that he injected him with some sort of drug as he did so so that John was all confused and disorientated when he went over to the body confused

streakybacon Sun 22-Dec-13 08:51:36

What about Irene Adler? She talked about having faked her own death because she needed to disappear for a while. Or is that a red herring?

I'm rewatching the last series too, prepping for NYD grin.

Sneezecakesmum Sun 22-Dec-13 09:41:19

Like an idiot I deleted the last episode after I watched it a couple of weeks ago so can't look again at all these theories. Trucks, mattresses, trucks, drugs!! Oooohhh!

It better be good, but knowing the way this series has gone I know it will be fgrin

Grokette Sun 22-Dec-13 09:56:34

Wasn't there pictures from filming that showed that hypnotist bloke talking to John? The cyclist knocks him, when he gets up the famous hypnotist is there? Darren something.

John saw what he expected to see, because of what he was anticipating and afraid of, and had the suggestion planted in his head. Obvs the body was organised by Molly etc.

Or did I imagine seeing those pics? Will have to Google now to see if I am mad.

Sneezecakesmum Sun 22-Dec-13 12:17:54

Darren brown can make you believe the world has been taken over by zombies so he could easily do a fake death.

I've totally missed all these things when I watched the repeat!

Wasn't Irene Adler in elementary, the American Sherlock Holmes series?

(I also watch that blush )

polyhymnia Sun 22-Dec-13 12:42:55

Yes, because she's in the original Conan Doyle stories - or at least one, I'm afraid I haven't checked - where she is described, in relation to or by Sherlock, as 'the only woman'.

boogiewoogie Mon 23-Dec-13 16:16:17

You need to read "A Scandal In Bohemia" to understand why Irene is significant to Sherlock.

She is known as "The Woman" and is the only woman to have outsmarted Sherlock. In my opinion, her role is inflated in adaptations as a love interest and her marital status is ignored from the original. The way I interpret it from the book, Sherlock has a respectful admiration for her for her cleverness rather than a crush on her.

polyhymnia Mon 23-Dec-13 16:28:57

Yes I agree-and thanks for reminding me of the title.

loisismyhero Mon 23-Dec-13 16:36:27

I am so excited about this - counting the days!

I found my DS1's Christmas present for me yesterday and the wonderful boy has bought me series 1 and 2 on DVD smile

So I plan on watching the last episode again before January 1st ti see if I can figure it out.

Sneezecakesmum Mon 23-Dec-13 19:53:07

Thanks re Irene Adler. That's how she is portrayed in 'elementary' a highly intelligent love interest.

Lois. Your boy is definitely a hero!

loisismyhero Mon 23-Dec-13 22:05:29

He is a hero sneeze - I'm delighted! We watch it together so its kind of our 'thing'.

satsumagirl Mon 23-Dec-13 22:20:15

I am not too bothered about how Sherlock survived the fall. I just want Season 3 to include an entirely gratuitous scene of him wearing Speedos. smile

howcomes Tue 24-Dec-13 00:20:47

I like your thinking satsumagirl smile

Sneezecakesmum Tue 24-Dec-13 11:04:16

Me too blush

I watched the last episode again the other day, slowed it right down but still no clearer.

But again it made me cry when John is crying out " oh Jesus no" ......the utter devastation in his voice gets me every time... Sob fest

OodKingWenceslas Thu 26-Dec-13 07:45:27

There's a new mini episode on iplayer if you've not seen it yet

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 26-Dec-13 12:16:37

What does Sherlock call his bed?
Benedict's slumber patch grin
I am v much looking forward too
There is an exclusive 7 min mini ep on I player if you haven't seen btw

Sneezecakesmum Thu 26-Dec-13 13:00:21

Benedict slumber patch. Mmm you've been at the sherry methinks! grin

Off to watch iplayer!

NoComet Thu 26-Dec-13 13:22:26

Don't you lot start, I have DD1(15) obsessing every time the trailer comes on.

Link to the mini episode. It's a goodie grin

So excited grin grin grin

Clunch Thu 26-Dec-13 17:47:39

The worst thing is, I've forgotten all my highly ingenious theories since last year, or whenever the final episode screened...

It was January 2012 Clunch shock

OrangePixie Fri 27-Dec-13 20:47:55

Just watched the mini episide. Who's the guy with the beard Lestrade is talking to in the pub?

It was Anderson, the detective that was always clashing with Sherlock.

LeBearPolar Fri 27-Dec-13 22:41:40

Do you think they'll explain why Anderson is now out of a job and all Sherlock-obsessed? He couldn't stand him!

Sammy3 Sat 28-Dec-13 17:17:04

I can't wait for the latest series. Thanks for the heads up on the mini episode. Will watch that now

insomniarules Sun 29-Dec-13 06:11:28

JUst watched it, can't wait to see the episode. It didn;t look like John was married as I could;t see a wedding ring and I'm worried about Mrs Thingy that was Sherlock's landlady- has she kept his rooms for him? John has clearly moved out.

Sneezecakesmum Sun 29-Dec-13 09:22:23

The mini episode was brilliant. Reminded me why Sherlock is so funny and quirky. Not to mention of course B.S. grin

I think the wedding takes place during this series as there have been pictures of both Warson and Sherlock in morning dress circulating.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Wed 01-Jan-14 16:13:38

I've just re watched season one and two in preparation.

As I was watching I had this mad theory. What if Moriarty wasnt Moriarty. Sherlock was accused of hiring an actor to play Moriarty, what if this was true only Sherlock didn't hire him. The real Moriarty did.

Which would mean the Real Moriarty is still out there.

John is with his real wife (as in martins wife the actress) is he not?
They are a lovely couple. Hope they're as nice in the program

Yes, Martin's real-life partner Amanda Abbington is playing Mary

insomniarules Wed 01-Jan-14 19:26:14

Hour and a half to go .... I think this is the first time I've been excited about a TV programme for ages...

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Wed 01-Jan-14 19:40:13

Sooooo excited.

I shall be devoting 100% of my attention to the programme, so will be back here at 10.31 fgrin

perplexedpirate Wed 01-Jan-14 19:45:59

The cyclist was definitely involved somehow. I think Molly got a dummy body the same way Irene Adler did. But Irene's face was all smashed up, so that makes that more plausible. confused

Incidentally, have we all seen the mini-episode with Anderson and the map?

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 21:07:40

Is it Sherlock meets Homeland? hmm

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:10:31

Dh just got mycroft before me I always guess the voices first
<competitive>

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 21:19:20

So bets on Watson punching Sherlock...

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:19:53

Got to be good chance

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:23:27

I don't think they will say how he survived

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:24:33

Restaurant , cafe, kebab shop, what's next

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 21:24:42

I actually agree Oodles. Just to annoy everyone.

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 21:25:02

burger van on the A40 grin

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 21:25:50

BINGO!!!

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:27:53

grin

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:28:54

Silhouette was cool

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:30:07

Loving the hats

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:31:22

That will be a t-shirt.

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:31:55

Dh has just asked for one
'I don't shave for SherlockHolmes' t-shirt

Zone2mum Wed 01-Jan-14 21:33:42

Finding it all a bit tedious and self indulgent so far...

Allthingsprettyreturns Wed 01-Jan-14 21:35:08

I think i have marys pjs.

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:36:10

grin

extracrunchy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:36:13

Zone2mum I'm with you. So far!

extracrunchy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:36:33

Derren Brown makes me gag.

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:37:37

Self indulgent is normal for Sherlock isn't it?

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 21:38:43

Thats the trouble, all anyone is interested in is how he did it.

The trouble is, if they show it, I'm sure it will be an anticlimax. The point has already been made by Watson that he 'wasn't interested in how, but why'.

If there are any clues so far, then Mary said
"You jumped off a roof"
to which he replied
"No".

And that Sherlock's comment about magic.
(which amounts to magic is the art of illusion. You believe what you THINK you see, not what you actually see. To that end you never see Sherlock hit the pavement, Watson's reaction to what he thinks he sees thats about it).

Which is why I'm inclined to go with Oodles and say that'll they'll show a bunch of different 'explanations' none of which is correct.

VesuviusPoovius Wed 01-Jan-14 21:46:20

My DH has also asked for a tshirt.

I'd like to see the Sherlock/Moriaty snog again grin

Zone2mum Wed 01-Jan-14 21:48:42

Twitter is definitely enhancing this disappointing television programme watching experience for me, but even so, I am still wondering if I can stay awake for the end. What is the storyline in this episode, haven't spotted it yet?

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 21:49:04

Molly = Dead?

Allthingsprettyreturns Wed 01-Jan-14 21:50:24

Oh i so wanted Molly and him to get together...

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 21:53:29

Story coming now

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 21:54:31

If the girl heard Watson screaming, the guy throwing petrol on would too.

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 21:55:55

Maybe the guy with the petrol is one of those Sherlock is watching?

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 01-Jan-14 21:56:54

Aww they're his parents! HIs real life ones!

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:40

Do you mean BC's parents?

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 01-Jan-14 21:58:37

yep - sorry - BC's parents played Sherlock's parents.

(wow, the casting director worked reaally hard on that show!)

Zone2mum Wed 01-Jan-14 21:58:49

How cosy.
Right, that's it, Stanley Baxter's on BBC1. I'm off there now...

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:01:31

It's all pretty dull, isn't it?

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 22:01:42

DH is screaming at the TV about this being shit and slow. He's been one step ahead on everything so far.

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:03:03

Bits of this are super boring, sorry!
Will we ever find out how he did it?
Bobby Ewing and the shower anyone?

Zone2mum Wed 01-Jan-14 22:04:25

Sorry I meant bbc2. But I fear we will have too many talking heads and not enough of the actual material...

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:04:42

They could have easily confined this to an hour.

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 01-Jan-14 22:05:40

It is a bit dull, yes. I think it has just been built up a bit too much.

ALso - it is so bloody dark (as in night sky dark rather than emotionally) - I find it hard to see what's going on.

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 22:06:25

How did the not notice that the back carriage with the drivers control was missing?

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 22:11:43

Wow, they only had 1:30 left...

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:12:03

Their time would have been up by now.

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:17:14

Erm so if they cleared the area and everyone was an actor then it was bloody easy wasn't it?

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:17:44

No passers by to trick, just Watson.

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 22:18:29

Yep exactly.

It was just about Watson's reaction.

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:19:30

I'm with Philip. Bit disappointed.

Footface Wed 01-Jan-14 22:22:54

I out Harry potter back on as I'm on a bad mood as wasn't concentrating and it seemed really shit.

Was it as bad as it seemed?

And how did he survive ?

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:23:04

Who is Tom then?

Footface Wed 01-Jan-14 22:23:09

*put

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:24:10

Tom is Molly's fiancé.

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:24:58

I get that he is Molly's fiance but there was a recognition of him by Sherlock and John as if they knew him from somewhere else.

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 22:25:30

But was he telling the truth confused

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:26:23

Oodles of course he wasn't.

RedToothBrush Wed 01-Jan-14 22:26:59

He was the spit of Sherlock, hence their reaction as they realised that Molly still had a thing for him, and 'hadn't moved on'.

They didn't recognise him

Allthingsprettyreturns Wed 01-Jan-14 22:27:04

Wow. New episode on sunday!

RightInTheKisser Wed 01-Jan-14 22:27:42

bisjo- they looked at him because he is a Sherlock lookalike!

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:27:50

He didn't look anything like Sherlock confused

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 22:28:54

Tom is v like Sherlock I think that's why they looked at him like that

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:29:11

Sorry, thought you might have missed that bit. Don't think they recognised him, more he was the spot of Holmes. Would have been good if he'd been the abductor but he's dead.

OodlesofOods Wed 01-Jan-14 22:29:35

Same style , height, similar nose/hair etc

bisjo Wed 01-Jan-14 22:30:40

If I was wrongly accused of a crime and put in a line up I wouldn't want any of you lot to be an ID witness! The only similarity between Tom and Sherlock was their coat.

Well I liked it!

Great opening - bloody good snog envy
Loved BC's parents putting in a cameo
Agree that they're never going to tell us how he did it

Roll on Sunday grin

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Wed 01-Jan-14 22:33:36

Really disappointed. Totally oversold. Agree that it was dragged out.

lookdeepintotheparka Wed 01-Jan-14 22:37:01

I thought it was great - especially the red herring explanations of what happened on the roof. It was pretty funny in parts too..

Loved the scene in the restaurant when he saw Watson again - great music!!

LondonMother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:38:42

I loved it. Can't wait for Sunday!

OvO Wed 01-Jan-14 22:39:23

I didn't think the plot was up to much but enjoyed lots of different moments. Overall enjoyed it.

Loved the going in for a kiss with Moriarty and Sherlock, actually did LOL. grin

BecauseIsaidS0 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:40:06

Yes, the snog, THE SNOG!!!

I'd die a very happy woman if The Batch snogged me like that, just once. Please?!

VesuviusPoovius Wed 01-Jan-14 22:43:24

There's definitely a tshirt there. The "I don't shave for Sherlock" with a large close up of the snog grin

Mycroft was hilarious but the rest wasn't that intriguing.

awaynboilyurheid Wed 01-Jan-14 22:45:20

Loved it too! aww was so nice that was his real parents.

NoelOfLorst Wed 01-Jan-14 22:47:39

Loved it!

Was nervous that it was going to be an anti climax, but actually for me, it wasn't.

The only downside for me is that Moriarty is dead- I fancy the arse off him

BecauseIsaidS0 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:48:28

Eh, Noel, Moriarty? Really? He seems so...puny.

NoelOfLorst Wed 01-Jan-14 22:49:12

Noooo...well yeah...maybe.

PunySexy

enjoyed it. Guessed they'd have loads of different answers to how he did it but not the Sherlock and Moriarty kiss. grin grin

FunnyFestiveTableRunner Wed 01-Jan-14 22:50:03

I admit there were a few funny bits. It was more the lack of tension that was disappointing.

BecauseIsaidS0 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:50:32

PunySexy! fgrin

and yes, such a shame Moriarty's a goner. Would be too jumping the shark to bring him back as well though, sadly.

Andrew Scott has a definite quality about him grin

MrsJohnDeere Wed 01-Jan-14 22:55:53

Loved it! Can't wait for Sunday.

Naebother Wed 01-Jan-14 22:59:15

I really enjoyed it. So happy it's back only four days to go.

whatshallwedo Wed 01-Jan-14 23:02:41

I loved it and it takes a lot for me to be able to sit through a programme for that length of time!

Louise Brealey (Molly) has just tweeted that the snog took four takes envy envy envy envy

DziezkoDisco Wed 01-Jan-14 23:17:53

It was brilliant.

depankrispaneven Wed 01-Jan-14 23:21:57

Why do we always get people turning up on threads like this moaning that they're disappointed? Do they expect a TV programme watched and enjoyed by hundreds of thousands of people to be made to fit their expectations and no-one else's? Or are they just doing it for effect?

iismum Wed 01-Jan-14 23:24:06

Kind of enjoyed it, but I can't figure out a couple of key things ... am I being a bit thick?!

Firstly, why didn't he tell John he was still alive? He trusts John with all his cases, and yet he really couldn't trust him to not tell people he was alive? Even though he knew how much John was suffering? He trusts him less than that long list of people he did tell (and we don't know how long it is, because some people he did tell (e.g., parents) weren't on the list he originally told John.)

Secondly, why was it so important to fool John into thinking he was dead? As far as I understand it, he had to get Moriaty's crime ring to think he was dead, but the explanations were all about making sure John never saw what was happening. Surely if they really did close off the whole road this would have been discoverable to Moriaty's henchmen, because they weren't in the specific spot from which it was impossible to see what was going on. Though I guess we still don't really know how it was done ... Still, surely it's about fooling Moriaty's people, not John?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 01-Jan-14 23:26:30

Loved it.

Subtle and really funny. Roll on Sunday.

ScatterGotStuckUpTheChimney Wed 01-Jan-14 23:27:03

I did enjoy how he's seems to have have plundered the forums (and fanfics by the looks of it).

I liked his clients from the original short stories, we had A Case of Identity and one other I think?

I can't say much of it wowed me though... I don't like it when I get most things ahead of him (especially the underground bit, I thought he was slow on the uptake there!). I like getting one or two to make me feel clever, and then being amazed at his deductions for the others. Although I have been watching a lot of The Mentalist recently, so I'm probably just on the right wavelength!

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 01-Jan-14 23:28:36

What? depankrispaneven ? Are we really only allowed to post here if we are 100% happy with everything? IS that just this topic, or does it apply to the whole of MN?

Nerfmother Wed 01-Jan-14 23:29:32

Scatter the mentalist is amazing!

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 01-Jan-14 23:29:58

In other ridiculous news, I am enjoying reading the DM review shock - especially the bit about how Tim Freeman's acting was really good. Dominic Cumberbatch mentioned too, obvs.

ScatterGotStuckUpTheChimney Wed 01-Jan-14 23:30:38

That sounds more negative than I meant actually. There were loads of little bits I liked, but just felt the actual story lacked a bit of oomph, compared to, say, A Scandal in Belgravia.

ScatterGotStuckUpTheChimney Wed 01-Jan-14 23:32:36

I'm looking forward to it coming back on Nerf. Bother those Americans and their mid-season breaks!

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 01-Jan-14 23:36:48

Is the Mentalist the one with the lovely blond chap from Home and Away ?

Furball Wed 01-Jan-14 23:39:20

hazel - That article is unbelievable shock

'Quieter and more human, as Doctor Watson, Tim Freeman actually upstaged Sherlock's star Dominic Cumberbatch

'Dominic Cumberbatch is a terrific Holmes of course, virtually irresistible. But, like the equally excellent Jeremy Brett before him, at times he veered towards camp.
When Mycroft told him that learning Serbian had taken him 'a couple of hours', for example, Holmes quipped: 'you're slipping.'
But then Gatiss was so smart and audacious, he simply acknowledged Holmes was capable of being irritating by having Watson’s voice appearing in Holmes’ head reprimanding him for being a ‘smarta**e’ and mocking him by carping ‘you forgot to put your collar up.’
Sherlock is supposed to be Cumberbatch’s show – literally and figuratively - but he was regularly, royally upstaged by Tim Freeman whose performance as Watson is quieter and more human'

MellowMarshmallow Wed 01-Jan-14 23:48:29

I might be being a bit thick about the train. I thought on a tube train you had a drivers car at each end, with carriages inbetween and interconnecting doors. if you took the drivers carriage off the back you would have a very funny looking train pull into the next station. wouldn't a missing drivers car be really obvious on the CCTV and to whoever turned up at work the next day to drive it?

Nerfmother Thu 02-Jan-14 00:37:54

Mentalist has sexy man simon something not from home and away tho; was in The Guardian?

HazeltheMcWitch Thu 02-Jan-14 00:46:27

Mentalist man was in H&A see?

This must have been my H&A era, as I remember his face from it. No idea on the character tho (he was a teacher) - all of his plot lines - in fact all the plot lines apart from Ailsa's ghost and Meg dying - seem wholly unmemorable.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Thu 02-Jan-14 01:41:47

"The only similarity between Tom and Sherlock was their coat."

And the scarf. And the footwear. And the height. And the hair colour.

Moln Thu 02-Jan-14 07:01:16

I think it was an entirely different train Mellow, though still a shorter train would probably benoticed, if not by the driver then certainly the commuters.

I really enjoyed it, possibly because I've not thought about it since two years ago so no expectations. I did feel though that Sherlock was less Sherlock and was slighly more compassionate than before.

hackmum Thu 02-Jan-14 07:21:08

iismum - I've been puzzling over that as well. Loads of people are allowed to know that Sherlock is still alive - but not Watson. Why? It makes no sense - unless something is being held back. More likely, it's just one of those inconsistencies that will just be ignored in the hope that no-one notices. Moffat has form on this (see Dr Who).

I enjoyed it though.

PedantMarina Thu 02-Jan-14 07:22:55

Oooh, how we loved the seques! Esp the bit where it went back and forth from Watson's medical practice to Mycroft asking Holmes how Watson took it and some very naughty words were nearly said.

Loved all the alternative theories as well - the Holmes and Moriarty kiss one just had us howling.

YY to Tom being Holmesian in his looks. I didn't think he's meant to be exactly, just enough. Think Ross (David Schwimmer) and Russ (Snaro). But wasn't it lovely that Sherlock didn't show off his powers of deduction on this occasion - shows a teeny bit of growth.

LucyLasticBand Thu 02-Jan-14 07:41:32

loved it,
really enjoyed it,
and it is martin freeman's RL partner playing his girlfirned <<envy>>

martin freeman was so good. as were they both.

OrangePixie Thu 02-Jan-14 08:15:13

I thought the moment they first came together was brilliant. Not just Watson's reaction but Sherlock's reaction to John's reaction. Like he suddenly realised the magnitude of what he'd done to John. Superb acting from both of them.

OodlesofOods Thu 02-Jan-14 08:15:56

Watson would be the one person expected to know Sherlock was alive. Any slip up ( Watson trusting a gd for example) would be what concerns Sherlock.

iismum Thu 02-Jan-14 08:18:56

hacksmum, I agree - I think it will just be swept under the carpet. For me this is a huge problem - I can forgive a few plot holes here and there but the relationship between Sherlock and Watson is at the heart of the show and if it's not believable, it really doesn't work for me.

I hope there is some explanation for it, but given that John seems to have already forgiven him even though he seems to have done it for no reason at all except that he didn't much care about John's profound grief makes me think it is unlikely. sigh

iismum Thu 02-Jan-14 08:21:08

Oodles, I get that - but his parents (as well as lots of other people) knew. Given they were clearly not that sharp, surely they would be way more likely to slip up than John? Surely it would be so obvious that they weren't grieving. They didn't even bother to go to his funeral - not exactly subtle!

OodlesofOods Thu 02-Jan-14 08:34:12

Mycroft would have been able to shelter them though wouldn't he.

I loved they were so scatty and had Mycroft & Sherlock as sons , loved the brotherly bits too

LondonMother Thu 02-Jan-14 08:36:56

I think the major reason Watson couldn't know is because that's what Conan Doyle did in the original. No mention of the Holmes parents in Conan Doyle, though!

OodlesofOods Thu 02-Jan-14 08:50:28
LucyLasticBand Thu 02-Jan-14 09:11:16

i loved their banter. and i just knew watson was going to punch him.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Thu 02-Jan-14 09:50:24

I think the writing fail wasn't Sherlock's letting Watson think he was dead for two years -- that's exactly the sort of thing he'd do -- it was having his parents know all along. They wanted the extra joke when Watson realises that yet another set of people knew the truth when he didn't (and also, I imagine, they wanted to introduce Sherlock and Mycroft's parents, but hadn't thought to feature them in the funeral episode last season) but in so doing they undermined the character (Sherlock wouldn't have told his parents unless there was a good logical reason for doing so) and the plot (how convincing would Sherlock's death have been if his parents didn't seem to buy into it?).

I really enjoyed the Holmes/Watson banter and Mary adds a helpful third angle to the whole thing. The actual mystery-of-the-week was a bit bobbins, though -- I didn't mind this week because it was all about the interplay, but they had better put more effort into that side of things in the next one.

Tanith Thu 02-Jan-14 09:54:19

Loved it! I wonder if we ever will find out how he really did it, though...

I loved the "chess" game scene. DS is chess-mad and was complaining that
1 he couldn't see the moves
2 they couldn't be playing that fast
but even he laughed when it was revealed grin

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Thu 02-Jan-14 09:55:44

I loved it. Loved spotting the odd case scattered here and there from the books. Loved the kiss, both of them. Cannot wait till Sunday.

OvO Thu 02-Jan-14 12:56:51

It makes sense that the ones that didn't know we're John, Greg and Mrs Hudson. They are the only ones Sherlock considers friends/close to so the only ones that people would be looking to to see an appropriate grieving response. If they hadn't pulled it off convincingly then it would have been obvious to all the 'baddies' that Sherlock had fooled them all and was still alive.

As long as they looked devastated Sherlock was safe to go off and deal with Moriartys network.

He's clearly not close to his parents, probably rarely sees them, so it was okay for them to know as no-one would be paying their response to his death all that much attention.

Furball, did that article really get Martin Freeman's and Benedict Cumberbatch's names wrong originally? They are fine now...

OodlesofOods Thu 02-Jan-14 14:03:34

Anadventure and Ovo good points re cover.

Love the fact that someone spotted that Anderson had a picture of a Tardis on his conspiracy wall. There are screen grabs all over Twitter/Tumblr grin

I think Moffat and Gattis loved taking the elements of fan fiction and weaving them into the plot.

OodlesofOods Thu 02-Jan-14 14:07:47

Have you seen Wholock? Its very well done

rightsaidthread Thu 02-Jan-14 14:09:46

I loved it. Nothing constructive too add except that I forget how much I fancy BC and then shock

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 02-Jan-14 14:10:41

right me too. He is utterly utterly hot. blush

Fellow CumberAddicts are always welcome in the BCAS thread over in Sleb Twaddle. We have plenty of BC pictures/videos to drool over grin

Aha! From the Guardian blog - if you freeze frame Sherlock's deductions when he meets Mary, it says she's a bread baking, Guardian-reading, disillusioned Lib Dem blah blah. And a linguist (so why working as a doctor's receptionist, hm?) And...a liar. Add that into the fact she cracked the Guy Fawkes code smartish...

Bad'un. Poor little hobbit!

I've seen a few similar things on Twitter stinkingbishop, including the suggestion that the criminal mastermind is after her rather than Sherlock - she received the texts & it was her voice playing on the looped video at the end of the episode.

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 14:34:17

I spotted the liar thing last night. Hmmm.

Aha again! Hmm. Maybe I have been too hasty to assume lying = bad. Sherlock has just been 'lying low' for 2 years after all...Needs must and all that.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 02-Jan-14 14:38:32

DH and I wonder if she is a Spook. Mycroft's way of keeping an eye on Watson while Sherlock was away?

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 14:44:58

And she did lie that she liked his moustache <hopeful>.

I liked her. I hope she's not a baddie.

LeBearPolar Thu 02-Jan-14 14:54:01

Has anyone else read the reviews today? They all seem to be saying that Sherlock's explanation to Anderson (i.e. the third explanation of how he survived) was the genuine article - but DH and I assumed straight away that that was another red herring!

Bit baffled that the broadsheets seem to have missed that.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Thu 02-Jan-14 14:55:37

Yes, it seemed obvious that it was another lie.

Furball Thu 02-Jan-14 15:04:27

edamsavestheday - yes it did - I just copied and pasted and thats why I copied and pasted. I wonder if they did the article via voice recognition so benedict was heard as dominic and martin/tim

If you go to 'oldest comments' there are posts about it

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 15:07:42

My read of it was that you were supposed to be left wondering - it may or may not be the truth. And that it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things at this stage.

Pan Thu 02-Jan-14 15:15:31

Amanda Abbington was a star of the comedy sketch show Man Stroke Woman (which few other people seem to recall).
here she is on a blind date..

Davros Thu 02-Jan-14 15:19:44

I saw BC outside our local Dominos once. It was long before he was super famous but I knew who he was, ner ner ner ner ner! (Very grown up!)

hackmum Thu 02-Jan-14 17:15:31

Pan - I knew I recognised her! I used to love Man Stroke Woman and could never understand why it wasn't more popular.

I hope she's not a baddy, but it does seem likely that she'll turn out to be more than she seems.

Allthingsprettyreturns Thu 02-Jan-14 18:09:33

Yes I think she could be a baddie too at first it seemed she might replace john as his sidekick but she is smarter than John.

OvO Thu 02-Jan-14 18:22:48

No no no no no. <sticks fingers in ears>

Lalalalalala, I can't heeeear you. She can't be a baddie.

fussychica Thu 02-Jan-14 18:32:39

Bloody Brilliant!

Not read all upthread but assume all you fans know that BCs parents in show are his real parents _ Wanda Ventham & Timothy Carlton and Mary is MFs real life partner. I hope she isn't bad - she isn't in the books after all.

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 18:51:05

fussychica she is in the books. Or at least Watson has a wife in some of the books. Can't remember her name now that you mention it, but Watson definitely does marry.

Pan Thu 02-Jan-14 19:01:27

I know hack it should have be up there shouldn't it?

Mary going out

ScatterGotStuckUpTheChimney Thu 02-Jan-14 19:01:28

She is called Mary (Morstan I think). He meets her in The Sign of Four.

Davros Thu 02-Jan-14 19:11:54

I think she means Mary isn't a baddie in the books

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 19:19:21

I think she means Mary isn't a baddie in the books.

Of course she does. Sorry fussychica. As you were.

BalloonSlayer Thu 02-Jan-14 19:19:59

Just looked up BC's Mum on Wikipedia and had a small grin to myself to see that her other child is called Tracy.

Wanda Ventham was quite the hottie in her day

fussychica Thu 02-Jan-14 20:10:03

Yes - not a baddie rather than not in the books.

Always remember Wanda in The Lotus Eaters with Ian Hendry and set in Crete. That was way back in 72/73 - my first TV memories of a drama set in an exotic location. Aaah those were the days --showing my age now--wink

lovelychops Thu 02-Jan-14 20:28:40

Could someone please explain who the man with the beard and the theories about how Sherlock died is? Was he a police man from last series? I don't remember him at all. Did he have a beard then? Did he have a big role?

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 20:32:55

He was Anderson. He was one of the policemen who, in the last episode of series 2, decided that Sherlock was a fraud who kidnapped the children. In last nights episode Lestrade said he was coming up with all these 'not dead' theories because he felt responsible for Sherlocks suicide.

lovelychops Thu 02-Jan-14 20:37:02

Thanks. I think I have a mental block I just don't remember his face at all. Must have been concentrating too hard on all the nicer faces!

loisismyhero Thu 02-Jan-14 20:46:06

And in fairness there are several nicer faces to concentrate on. The beard is a new thing too, which doesn't help.

boogiewoogie Fri 03-Jan-14 17:27:51

I really hope that Mary isn't a baddy. She may have a secret though and that is probably where her liar and linguistic skills come into place.

John does marry Mary Morston in the original and I hope her character doesn't deviate to the same extent as Irene Adler's from the books.

sneezecakesmum Fri 03-Jan-14 20:16:00

I absolutely loved it. So bonkers and cleverly written grin

....cough!!!! pmsl!

Can't wait for Sunday, and will we ever know how it was done?

lljkk Fri 03-Jan-14 20:42:47

I can't see Mary as a baddy; a dark horse maybe, but not a baddy. That would be just too far a deviation.

Am I the only one who takes it seriously when Sherlock says he's a sociopath? So that explains his complete lack of empathy.

Still fancy him but better not make it obvious to DH

loisismyhero Sat 04-Jan-14 08:58:31

Oh he's definitely a sociopath. He's still beautiful though.

Moln Sat 04-Jan-14 09:24:54

Mary isn't a baddy, though I think she might become involved in the solving of cases though, possibly. I don't really know the books so can't say what Watson's wife is like in them.

bewilderedotcom Sat 04-Jan-14 10:22:50

I think he is more likely to have HFA (aspergers syndrome) which a high intellect and photographic memory, social awkwardness and not really understanding emotions on anything other than an intellectual level. He does have feelings but is a bit confused by them and doesn't really 'get it'. People with HFA are very quirky, but they are essentials normal human beings with a different way of thinking! but can contribute to society.

Sociopaths are socially very adept, superficially charming and can turn the charm on and off like a tap. (Think Kenneth bianchi the hillside strangler). They also have no genuine empathy with other people or real feelings. (Sherlock was embarrassed by his parents ordinaryness). Sociopaths use their skills for their own ends only. SH does it for the intellectual challenge and only slightly for the fame.

Sociopaths have no moral compass and SH has. Which doesn't mean they are all murderers, they can be great leaders etc.

Am I overthinking this?

SH is also gloriously beautiful with cheekbones to die for grin

In S1Ep1 he describes himself to Anderson (who calls him a psychopath) as "a high functioning sociopath".

Spoiler free summary of tomorrow's episode courtesy of Cumberbatchweb:

the sign of three - spoiler free review

spoiler free reviews are all the rage these days but i’m always slightly terrified of revealing too much but here’s a few tidbits about sunday’s upcoming episode.

* it’s written by the entire writing staff of steven moffat, mark gatiss and steve thompson and snazzily directed by colm mccarthy
* it’s the most un-sherlock sherlock episode there’s ever been with (as already revealed by steven moffat) no cases for a good 40 minutes
* sherlock’s characterisation is very different and a total delight
* the sherlock/mary/john dynamic is completely adorable but the episodes beating heart is the friendship between sherlock and john and how much they mean to each other.
*all the action is weaved around sherlock’s wedding speech
* it is the funniest episode to date with the stag do in particular being laugh out loud hysterical from beginning to end. benedict cumberbatch and martin freeman have serious comedy chops.
* una stubbs, louise brealey, mark gatiss and rupert graves are all completely brilliant in it and have meaty supporting roles with louise getting my favourite lines of the episode
* theres a completely unexpected moment with sherlock that is destined to launch a million gifs
* fans get something they’ve been waiting years for
* the entire episode is a bright, light, candy floss concotion with a bittersweet ending that ends on just the teeniest foreboding note as we find out what sherlock’s vow is.

LondonMother Sat 04-Jan-14 14:30:42

So looking forward to it! Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch are both experienced comedy actors. Martin Freeman was the best thing by far in The Office and Benedict Cumberbatch has notched up 24 episodes of Cabin Pressure on Radio 4. If you haven't heard that, do try to catch up, it's absolutely brilliant. The very last episode is due to be recorded in the next few weeks.

Sneezecakesmum Sat 04-Jan-14 18:27:42

I didn't know BC was in cabin pressure! Its very funny but one of those shows i catch on the offchance. Pity we cant tape radio programmes but will check iplayer.

Can't wait for tomorrows episode. Its definitely not a series to be taken too seriously and has such brilliant comedy moments grin

LeBearPolar Sat 04-Jan-14 19:28:44

Depending on how much of a fan you are, you can get Cabin Pressure on CD (or can probably download it confused). It is well worth the money: the funniest thing ever. BC is, of course, fabulous, but the rest of the cast are also comedy gold.

Cabin Pressure downloads on Audible. They're about £10 per series, well worth it IMHO grin

bisjo Sat 04-Jan-14 20:59:21

I love Cabin Pressure but mainly because I think Roger Allam is so fab in it. I can't believe it is finishing sad

I loved that. Drunk Sherlock = hilarious grin

loisismyhero Sun 05-Jan-14 22:09:21

Ooh no. Didn't like it. It had its moments but the drunk stuff went on far too long.

What were we waiting for years for, in the review above?

VikingLady Sun 05-Jan-14 22:23:49

That was so sad at the end. How do I go to bed now?! I'm all down! (And lacking a BC/SH in my bed to take my mind off it) smile

Sneezecakesmum Sat 04-Jan-14 18:27:42

>>>Pity we cant tape radio programmes but will check iplayer. <<<<

I've recorded BBC radio programmes on the hard drive, they show up in the freeview digital guide. Bit weird listening to them with a blank tv screen, but better than missing them. smile

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Sun 05-Jan-14 23:35:22

I really enjoyed that one, and I liked the drunk Sherlock wordclouds.

Chipstick10 Sun 05-Jan-14 23:47:28

Just getting too self indulgent. Not a patch on series one and two. Just my opinion of course.

Sneezecakesmum Mon 06-Jan-14 06:41:30

Cheers. I will look at freeview. Pretty sure it's on my tv somewhere it's always tuned to sky grin

Loved the episode and SH being almost human. Completely bonkers of course but nothing wrong with a bit of froth.

Still not sure how he jumped off the building. Lots of red herrings in the first episode. Did I miss the real explanation?

LondonMother Mon 06-Jan-14 07:07:23

Frankel, I think that's not so much a spoiler as a fairly obvious possible plot point they could come back to if they wanted to! I enjoyed last night a lot. I wonder what's in store next week?

LondonMother Mon 06-Jan-14 07:14:22

trailer for episode 3. Now, this does have a big potential spoiler in it!

PedantMarina Mon 06-Jan-14 07:32:13

Surely he was the guy who was watching the video at the end of season opener?

VikingLady Mon 06-Jan-14 09:29:51

There is one episode from series 2 where Moriarty is deliberately released, which argues the real face off/rooftop scene was contrived with his brother's help and it was planned that way. I think.

PedantMarina Mon 06-Jan-14 10:45:18

Or, perhaps the Jim Moriarty (punysexy - like that!) really WAS a contrivance but that the new guy really is Moriarty?

That would be straying far too much from the stories, I suspect.

When the original rooftop scene showed, I had pondered whether Moriarty had really died (blank in the gun, squib on the back of the head - would have been easier than "jumping off a roof").

lljkk Mon 06-Jan-14 12:20:33

Definitely only 3 episodes in this series? That is rather few!
My favourite exchange was "I'm not John, Sherlock. I can tell when you're fibbing."

I think there have only ever been three in each series. It's a bugger.

Yup, only ever 3 episodes per series. Steven Moffat was on Radio 2 this morning to say they all want to make more but Benedict and Martin are massively in demand for other projects so it's a question of de conflicting with their schedules. Odds are Series 4 will not be on tv till late 2015/early 2016 sad

Sneezecakesmum Tue 07-Jan-14 10:51:40

sad

Resisting urge to watch trailer grin

The two actors are very much in demand, the Hobbit film waited for the Sherlock filming to finish so they could get Martin back for the role!

OodlesofOods Tue 07-Jan-14 12:42:14

Peter Jackson & Steven Moffat are probably having Martin Freeman on a timeshare basis grin

diddl Tue 07-Jan-14 16:34:44

Gosh-last one Sunday-& Troels is in it!!

PedantMarina Tue 07-Jan-14 21:38:34

OK, here's a ponder:

The "mind thing" Sherlock was doing with all the women, where he narrowed them down to four (then five, as the nurse came back). Do we remember this? Fresh in our brains?

WHAT was the criterion for him narrowing down the first (huge majority), lot of women? It doesn't seem to be said overtly, but what could it have been? And how could it have been that and not run the risk of weeding out somebody who should have stayed in. Or is it just a major freaking plot flaw...

Also, a little nitpick here. It just plain took Sherlock too long to figure out the target - sorry, I had to say it out loud. Sherlock needs to be more clever than us - it's just the natural order of things, and it feels wrong when I figure it out before he does.

He was in the middle of the best man's speech though. Which is probably a bit trickier for him than for normal blokes.

(I may be confusing Sherlock with Sheldon Cooper, though. I mean, I know it was Sherlock in Sherlock, I'm not quite that batty, but Sherlock's social inadequacies are less... human than Sheldon's. Or at least, Sherlock appears not to give a shit about them.)

Lexilicious Thu 09-Jan-14 08:46:21

He narrowed it down to five who had been on the same sort of date, with mayfly man. The rest were woo fantasists. When he says about the minuscule possibility of a link between the 100 people that got a wedding invitation and 5 who dated mayfly, it shows he was looking on "idatedaghost.com" for the five similar London dates.

It doesn't take him long to solve it at all. The flashback that happens in his speech (triggered by the photographer coming up to him) involving Mycroft in his head all takes place in the time it takes for the glass to fall to the floor. Then I think it's only about three laps of the dining room until he narrows it down to Sholto.

DH and I watched it again last night with a finger on the pause button to read the drunky word clouds. Interesting that Hudders (hee hee, seems disrespectful!) had the "marriage changes you" conversation with both Sherlock and John. Is she (sub)consciously warning them not to let their friendship slide?

Lexilicious Thu 09-Jan-14 08:49:07

Not flashback, rerun of the dating women's messages, and deductions from them, and Mycroft interjections. That.

Sneezecakesmum Thu 09-Jan-14 10:49:21

Yes, the 'target' was very obvious knowing as SH did that he received death threats.

I've given up trying to keep track of all the deductions and just go with the flow grin

Also pause live TV to read the texts etc. blush. Not because I am slow on the uptake (!) but it's small writing. hmm

Oh no, the Sherlock team have been tweeting that the tag line for Sunday's episode is "Sometimes someone has to die" shock

Sneezecakesmum Fri 10-Jan-14 13:43:50

Tweeters are the devils disciples. Luckily when they do tweet it's usually a load of b*****s or some kind of trick. Can't be Watson or Sherlock else bang goes the Conan Doyle connection. Surely not kill off the new wife?

I've still not watched all my dr who as I don't like seeing an old dr go!

Ah but said Tweeters are Sue Vertue (producer) and Mark Gatiss, plus several of the support staff (set designers, etc). I don't think this will end well for Mary sad

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Fri 10-Jan-14 21:07:38

OOOOOhhhhh oh oh... I`ve got it. <stretches hand in the air>

Mary and Sherlock already know each other. He hired her to protect John, then she fell in love with him. That`s why Sherlock didn`t react when she mentioned the skip code, that`s why she was a while getting to the table in the first episode. It`s why her and Sherlock get on so well.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Fri 10-Jan-14 21:20:29

But if they are actually tweeting that then it won't be any of the people you think it might be. Unless they are double-bluffing and so it DOES mean it will be one of the people you think it might be. Although they might predict that you'd think like that, in which case it would mean that it won't be any of the obvious candidates...

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Fri 10-Jan-14 21:29:10

That's why Mycroft knows where they are in the beginning.

Make sure you avoid Tumblr for the next 48 hours. Apparently someone who was at the press screening earlier this week has given away all the spoilers for His Last Vow angry

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Fri 10-Jan-14 22:17:17

That's so shite. sad

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Fri 10-Jan-14 22:23:00

How to make sure you don't get invited to the next press screening...

I like your theory, Lumpy, you are right that there does seem to be a level of knowledge and a connection between Sherlock and Mary.

Grrrrr to spoilers from preview, that is very much Not On At All. I go to a lot of press screenings, wouldn't dream of letting cats out of bags.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Sat 11-Jan-14 08:19:49

Avoiding twitter and tumblr to remain spoiler free. I reckon Mary was placed by Sherlock and Mycroft to safeguard John, then they fell in love.

I am getting so exited about tomorrow. Squeeeeeeeee.

Sneezecakesmum Sat 11-Jan-14 09:56:49

Am avoiding all these spoiler people. The trailer looks so exciting. Can't wait for tomorrow and I definitely don't want Mary to die shock

Still can't get over the 'kiss' between moriarty and Sherlock shock

boogiewoogie Sat 11-Jan-14 20:59:56

Lumpy but Sherlock had to make deductions about her though when he met her so I don't think she and Sherlock know one another. There is a hint that at least one person has to die. PLEASE PLEASE NOT MARY!

confuddledDOTcom Sat 11-Jan-14 22:15:23

Only just found this thread. No one else has pointed out the crossover from Sherlock and the 50th Anniversary film.

Blame it on Derren!

If they weren't both by the Moff I would have ignored it but there's no such thing as coincidence where he's concerned!

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Sun 12-Jan-14 08:45:00

What is this film of which you speak? grin

firesidechat Sun 12-Jan-14 11:45:41

I read in a review for tonight's episode that the threat comes from "a very unexpected source". If Mary is a baddie I shall be very, very upset.

If Mary dies I shall also be very, very upset.

I feel at the mercy of those evil script writers.

Sneezecakesmum Sun 12-Jan-14 12:04:35

Who is this new arch villein then? Can't be Mary surely? They can't kill her off. Poor john sad

What film?

And what's more I reckon we will never know exactly how he fell off that roof

diddl Sun 12-Jan-14 12:23:50

Surely the new "arch villain" is Charles Augustus Magnusson?

But there is also an "enemy within"?

perplexedpirate Sun 12-Jan-14 12:59:26

I have a horribly feeling the threat might be Mycroft.
Also, I had The Dream about Derren last night.
I blame you lot. wink

confuddledDOTcom Sun 12-Jan-14 13:41:07

The Doctor Who anniversary Lumpy.

Perplexed, you know you're not his type, don't you?

Hoping OH has watched the second episode so we can watch it together tonight instead of having to keep secrets until he's seen it.

perplexedpirate Sun 12-Jan-14 15:23:03

I do, confuddled, but a girl can dream...
wink

Mark Gatiss has tweeted that fans should make sure they watch right to the end of the credits tonight, so I'm assuming there's a little something extra grin

confuddledDOTcom Sun 12-Jan-14 18:46:55

Well I'm sure it doesn't stop a lot of girls dreaming about Barrowman either wink

I think OH is up to date so we can watch together this time.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 12-Jan-14 18:49:09

I'm going to miss it sad

I've been stuck on a stationary train for the last 40 minutes.

Eeeeeeekkkk! It's time!

bisjo Sun 12-Jan-14 20:51:08

Sherlock's got a gf grin Let's hope it is a better episode than last week's.

TheBookofRuth Sun 12-Jan-14 20:53:05

I don't approve of Sherlock having a girlfriend. Especially not one who says "room for a little one".

Well that was bloody brilliant!

OodlesofOods Sun 12-Jan-14 22:01:55

Very intrigued but slightly worried they will dalek moriaty.

firesidechat Sun 12-Jan-14 22:10:48

Well that was bloody brilliant!

It was indeed.

phantomnamechanger Sun 12-Jan-14 22:50:38

That was so bloody good and I could watch the whole thing again!

When's the next series?????

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 13-Jan-14 07:53:02

I need to watch it again!!!!! Do you think Moriarty is going to turn out to be Sherls brother?

It's getting like revemge. grin

loisismyhero Mon 13-Jan-14 08:45:15

Brilliant stuff!! I plan on watching it again tonight!

I was shouting "no no no!" at the tv when Janine appeared but she was a great red herring. I loved the scenes between Sherlock and Mycroft. I loved Christmas at the Holmes house. Great plot. Great baddie. And I just screamed with joy when Moriarty appeared at the end. Series 3 has redeemed itself.

firesidechat Mon 13-Jan-14 08:51:00

Did I hear a throw away line in a conversation between Sherlock and Mycroft about there having been 3 of them? I may have misunderstood though. They pack so much in so quickly that it's easy to miss.

I think I need to watch it again.

Sneezecakesmum Mon 13-Jan-14 11:04:18

LOVED IT. LOVED IT. LOVED IT, thanks

Yes what was that about '3 of us!'?

Can't wait for next series grin

lljkk Mon 13-Jan-14 11:34:32

I didn't hear 3 of them line! I always have to watch twice to catch all the lines.
But I did hear Mycroft dismissing family ties when he commented about how he dealt with "the other one", twittersphere is full of speculation about that line.

Knowing Moffat the throwaway line about "the other one" will result in a perfectly normal (ie non-genius/sociopath) bloke appearing as the black sheep of the family grin

LondonMother Mon 13-Jan-14 17:50:24

This is good fun. It's said here that Sherlock has five pressure points repeated over and over again:

John Watson, Jim Moriarty, Irene Adler, The Hounds of the Bakerville [sic], Redbeard.

Redbeard was his dog when he was a child, as we saw last night. Am I being thick or forgetful, or have we never heard about the Hounds of the Bakerville?

LondonMother Mon 13-Jan-14 17:54:14

Right, as you were. Digital Spy has a typo, and it was the normal spelling. groggi.tumblr.com/post/73216756375/sherlocks-pressure-pointsHere's the actual list.

LondonMother Mon 13-Jan-14 17:55:35

DS has also missed out opium from the list of pressure points.

Will now stop wittering about Sherlock and feed my family!

Sneezecakesmum Mon 13-Jan-14 19:13:36

Do you think that 'three' reference could possibly be that moriarty is a brother of Sherlock and mycroft?

Now that would be really weird. shock

QueenStromba Mon 13-Jan-14 19:44:06

I'm pretty sure that Janine is the real Moriarty and that "Moriarty" was her brother. They have a very similar accent and I see no reason why Janine would have an Irish accent unless it was relevant - how many Irish accents do you hear on UK TV? The scene in the hospital suggested that there would be repercussions for what he did to her. If she is Moriarty then she'd be perfectly able to insert herself into CAM's and Sherlocks affairs.

Think it was the Mail today who did an hilarious 'BBC full of liberal pinkos' rant about Sherlock, because the baddie was a media magnate. grin

phantomnamechanger Mon 13-Jan-14 22:58:23

ooh I like that theory queenstromba !

Lexilicious Tue 14-Jan-14 21:38:58

LOVE that theory. At the end of the credits he doesn't say "did you miss me?" but just Miss Me? Miss Moriarty.

We just watched it again with subtitles and pausing on the CAM info files. You get so much more...!

Sneezecakesmum Tue 14-Jan-14 21:41:30

I have to continually pause and rewind. Thank heavens for sky + it lets me rewind live tv. Those 'magic' glasses messages needed a lot of rewinding.

Irish accents hmm that has a strange logic! grin

KnockMeDown Tue 14-Jan-14 22:57:58

I do appreciate that I am way behind the lot of you, so haven't read the thread through. Have just watched the second episode, and it was absolutely fab! So clever! The way all the strands came together, and the whole thing was set in the wedding story, and the bit at the end with the "three of you"!

But so sad for Sherlock so on his own at the end sad

Now to watch ep 3!!

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Thu 16-Jan-14 16:42:58

Love your theory QueenStrombre. That would make them James and Janine Moriarty.

What if the other Holmes brother was the one who actually fell off the roof. We still don't know what really happened up there.

<Strokes chin in a serious and speculative manner>

QueenStromba Thu 16-Jan-14 18:54:27

Come to think of it, in the books Moriarty had two brothers and they were all called James. Janine is about as close a girl's name as you can get to James.

Sneezecakesmum Thu 16-Jan-14 19:02:09

Knockmedown. You will absolutely love it grin

James and Janine? Mmmmm. Possible!

Still don't know for sure what happened on the roof. confused

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