The Escape Artist - BBC1

(133 Posts)
difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:44:32

Seems quite creepy but in a good way.

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:46:58

Actually quite scary.

GypsyFloss Tue 29-Oct-13 21:48:21

Shit scared now.

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:50:38

I wouldn't go to the cottage on my own after that.

GypsyFloss Tue 29-Oct-13 21:53:04

I'm a few mins behind ...is this going to end badly ?

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:53:31

You could say that.

AuntieBrenda Tue 29-Oct-13 21:54:14

Shit. That's me done now. Was not expecting that!

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:54:56

Me neither, well not until the next episode.

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:55:47

You would have thought that he'd have asked her for a description of the man she saw at the window and put two and two together.

GypsyFloss Tue 29-Oct-13 21:56:52

Oh no. That's him done for.

GeorginaWorsley Tue 29-Oct-13 21:56:54

God I leapt off sofa,we'll almost.grin
Suppose Sophie what's her name will be called to defend

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 21:59:39

I wish it was one of the series on over consecutive nights.

IamtheZombie Tue 29-Oct-13 22:00:26

WOW. Zombie is hooked. Very powerful.

smallandimperfectlyformed Tue 29-Oct-13 22:01:01

I have been watching with baited breath - it's so scary . I agree though, why would you go back to that creepy cottage on your own with no phone reception?! I want to see him caught but am genuinely terrified of programmes like that!!!

GypsyFloss Tue 29-Oct-13 22:02:31

That was really good. I'm in.

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 22:03:39

I think DT does these sort of roles really well.

Clawdy Tue 29-Oct-13 22:05:33

Well acted,well written, but big flaw was the return to the cottage as people have said. That bit was totally unbelievable. Will be watching next week though.

Oblique27 Tue 29-Oct-13 22:05:58

Oh no, why did I watch that......and he is let out on bail next week. Switches off!

Hate these shows that have to be so menacing and gory ...

BonaDea Tue 29-Oct-13 22:07:30

That was horrible. Don't think I can watch again.

southeastastra Tue 29-Oct-13 22:08:11

right miserable, why does entertainment these days have to be so awful and gory

need a nice cheery sit com

i am watching 2point 4 children on drama and it's funny, naff but funny

we all don't want doom ;(

namehopping Tue 29-Oct-13 22:11:05

God that made me shake with fear.

My DP is a solicitor so I like watching these crime solicitor type things to wind him up as he points out all the crap that doesn't really happen.

Then I made him PROMISE to never represent any one like that.

looks on yellow pages to get window locks

thenightsky Tue 29-Oct-13 22:12:41

Gripping. I'm in for next week.

gwenniebee Tue 29-Oct-13 22:15:39

I was in until the end, which I found really upsetting sad Don't think I'll watch again although I quite liked the drama.

MrsJohnDeere Tue 29-Oct-13 22:26:59

Blimey that was scary.

Not sure it was such a great idea to watch that when I'm home alone!

purpleprincess Tue 29-Oct-13 22:37:04

Please can someone with some legal knowledge explain the bit about Foyle being released? Couldn't they just choose another jury. If that could actually happen in 'real life' then thats a tad worrying (and from trailer for next week it could happen again in next episode)

TIA. confused

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 22:41:05

I'm a lawyer (although not criminal law) and I didn't understand it either blush. I wasn't paying close attention at that point but I don't understand why he was set free rather than it being declared a mistrial and getting him retried.

purpleprincess Tue 29-Oct-13 22:45:34

Thanks bisjo. Would be ridiculous is they put something in that is legally inaccurate as assume they wood check all this out, however still not as ridiculous as going up to creep cottage on own after scary man appeared at window and DT actually letting her go in her own....hmm

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 22:48:34

I wonder if it was a plot contrivance like the cottage return.

eddiemairswife Tue 29-Oct-13 22:49:21

Would anyone in their right mind go back to that cottage after being spied upon in the bath? I wouldn't have done, even if my husband had been with me; but then I'm a real person not a character in a drama.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Tue 29-Oct-13 22:50:34

They said they couldn't have a retrial as the information had already gone out on social media and they apparently had no hope of getting an unbiased jury after that.

Which I think was a bit of a cop out.

It was still great though. I was a bit worried by the preview of the next episode, it all seems to be getting a bit ludicrous, but I'm not going to prejudge! It was really, really good.

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 22:51:08

eddie if you didn't go back to the cottage then you couldn't be murdered and episode 2 would be less interesting grin

purpleprincess Tue 29-Oct-13 22:51:47

Yes appreciate that can't base characters actions on what people would do in real life but it has to be believable. However do think they should get the legal stuff correct. Maybe they did? I just want someone to explain it to me! Please.

difficultpickle Tue 29-Oct-13 22:53:02

Hold I'd be surprised if the trial judge could decide that there and then. I'd have thought it was matter for the CPS to apply for a retrial and it be decided at that stage? Would have made the plot a bit slower though!

BonaDea Tue 29-Oct-13 22:55:20

I think as was mentioned above. They said that the press coverage (or social media?) was such that no jury could be unbiased and therefore no fair trial was possible. That can legitimately happen but would imagine it isn't quite as straightforward for the defence barrister to engineer as made out!

SuburbanRhonda Tue 29-Oct-13 22:59:10

Loved it - anything with DT in does it for me.

The killer was brilliantly cast. So menacing, with his faux good manners and barely concealed rage. <shudder>

Can't bear the inevitable autopsy report when Will finds out his wife was pregnant sad

out2lunch Wed 30-Oct-13 00:32:00

very holey plot - shame really

I was pleased for the actress getting a good part in this drama....

UptoapointLordCopper Wed 30-Oct-13 08:38:02

I stopped watching after the boy waved at some man and the woman started running a bath. Too scared. shock grin Did it not end well?

Elliptic5 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:55:55

I didn't understand him being released either, guessed it was some sort of technicality but it all happened very quickly.
Didn't like the ending (but thought the dog was also going to get hurt) don't know if I'll watch again.

SuburbanRhonda Wed 30-Oct-13 08:59:54

Elliptic, me too with the dog.

Any human body count is fine by me, but will someone please think of the animals! wink

hattymattie Wed 30-Oct-13 09:06:01

I'm not a lawyer but I thought if somebody presented a potential danger to society they were refused bail. I thought it was brilliant but could not understand why he was released in the first place.

MrsDe Wed 30-Oct-13 13:43:16

I couldn't watch it after the waving incident either Upto. Oh dear, knew it would end badly (and I do love my baths so couldnt' watch). Could someone tell me what happened...did he break in and kill her in the bath?

Ellenora5 Wed 30-Oct-13 13:54:55

I found it very predictable, not sure I'll bother with next week.

MrsDe, he went back to the cottage in the next few days and killed her in the sitting room, the son was hiding in the toy box.

jodee Wed 30-Oct-13 16:35:23

Predictable, but will be watching again all the same. Didn't expect serial killer at window, but wondered why wifey of barrister didn't recognise him peering at her, her husband had just got him off, he would be in the papers, surely!

Lesson: always shake the hand of a serial killer!

(or was it him at all??)

nennypops Wed 30-Oct-13 20:11:08

I think casting Ashley Jensen as the wife was very cunning - I assumed they'd never get someone like her in only to kill her off quickly.

But I wonder whether Sophie thing is really wise to take on the defence. Surely she'd have to worry that if she gets him off she's next on the lisyt?

Clawdy Wed 30-Oct-13 20:55:32

I wondered that, jodee ,could there be a twist where he isn't the killer after all?

GeorginaWorsley Wed 30-Oct-13 21:20:54

I thought that about Ashley Jensen too

Ellenora5 Thu 31-Oct-13 00:27:02

Oh now you have made me think, maybe he wasn't the killer, is she still alive??? ah fair play Georgina, Clawdy, neeny and jodee you have changed my mind and I will watch next week smile maybe it's not as predictable as I thought it was!!!

MrsDe Thu 31-Oct-13 08:46:04

But didn't you see him killing her (have ti bring myself to watch it on I player. Switched off as was too scared!!).

SuburbanRhonda Thu 31-Oct-13 08:49:36

Does make you wonder why it's called "The Escape Artist".

Does the killer get off again? thlshock

Clawdy Thu 31-Oct-13 10:16:50

Yes,it's all linked with Houdini,isn't it...DT was the Houdini character for most of the episode but now it looks as if the killer has become the Escape Artist...clever.

SuburbanRhonda Thu 31-Oct-13 11:58:12

Oh yes, I'd forgotten the reference to Houdini (and Paul Daniels) thlsmile

Ellenora5 Sat 02-Nov-13 02:16:42

MrsDe, no we didn't actually see him kill the wife, I just presumed he did, sorry if my post was misleading blush

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:12:25

Anyone watching part 2? Proescution case doesn't sound very strong (not that that is a surprise).

BonaDea Tue 05-Nov-13 21:14:57

Me. With trepidation.

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:16:01

Now he's got bail I'm wondering whether Sophie will make it to part 3?

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:19:35

I didn't realise Anton Lesser was in it. Really good actor.

GypsyFloss Tue 05-Nov-13 21:28:18

Oh that killer is so very creepy and inscrutable.

GypsyFloss Tue 05-Nov-13 21:30:03

I agree bisjo .

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:31:58

That is ridiculous. You wouldn't go into your flat if you have been told a man has been in there, would you? I'm assuming she doesn't live with anyone etc.

GypsyFloss Tue 05-Nov-13 21:36:17

I'm a few mins behind everyone . I'm busy admiring the swanky penthouse that DT loves in .

GypsyFloss Tue 05-Nov-13 21:36:56

*lives. Am also busy typing without my fecking specs on smile

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:43:14

Swanky penthouse must be scene of denouement in part 3.

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:45:16

Why would you take your child back to the house where his mother was murdered? confused

Opheliabumps Tue 05-Nov-13 21:45:17

I agree it's just getting silly. Would someone who knew the murder victim be able to defend the accused? And surely she wouldn't do it anyway, knowing he had complained about DT despite DT getting him acquitted?

GypsyFloss Tue 05-Nov-13 21:46:35

What's with the blonde cow grassing up with dopey barrister?

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:47:09

Well we saw that coming last week.

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:53:16

Mr Foyle actor is superb.

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:54:36

Why is he giving expert testimony when he is a witness of fact? confused

difficultpickle Tue 05-Nov-13 21:55:56

As a defence barrister he wouldn't be answering like that.

EssexGurl Wed 06-Nov-13 18:24:49

Called the Escape Artist as DT has never lost a case. But think it will also refer to Foyle managing to get away with murder all the time.

GypsyFloss Tue 12-Nov-13 21:05:23

Right back door locked, curtains tightly shut, dogs on my lap ready to lick pulverise any intruders . I'm ready.

lirael Tue 12-Nov-13 21:24:10

What did Sophie open? And who was she talking to on the phone? And what was all that about DT's informant putting some papers in a bin?

Oblique27 Tue 12-Nov-13 21:27:03

Oh tell me what happened please, I was too scared to watch after ep 1 but someone please tell me the bad man is locked away for a very long time...

GypsyFloss Tue 12-Nov-13 21:28:02

I'm not sure . Did DT's fella clone Foyle's credit card and then DT sent her a gift as if from Foyle to scare her and get some revenge?

Why is Foyle lurking up in the borders ?

GypsyFloss Tue 12-Nov-13 21:38:02

Ooh that's an interesting outcome. With another 23 mins to go too.

Boboli Tue 12-Nov-13 21:39:41

I think I'm a bit lost - why did Foyle have that attack - did DT do something?

GypsyFloss Tue 12-Nov-13 21:41:34

Oblique27 he's dead.

How is DT being done for this? He scratched Foyle's arm and then save his life.

lirael Tue 12-Nov-13 21:42:12

Waaaa - don't get it!

MrsSJG Tue 12-Nov-13 21:42:15

is that lady in the prison out of balamory?

Oblique27 Tue 12-Nov-13 21:44:06

Phew, thank you GypsyFloss, didn't twig it was only half way through (dim)

Mumbrage Tue 12-Nov-13 21:51:48

Yes i wondered what it was that made sophie say "how did he know?"

Mumbrage Tue 12-Nov-13 21:53:58

Yes i wondered what it was that made sophie say "how did he know?"

GypsyFloss Tue 12-Nov-13 21:56:45

Ha, like that twist smile

Mumbrage Tue 12-Nov-13 21:58:21

But liam foyle did recover after burton administered the epi pen .... ?

Optimist1 Tue 12-Nov-13 22:05:01

I understand how he did it, but am completely baffled about how Sophie knew all about it ..... any theories?

specialsubject Tue 12-Nov-13 22:15:42

preposterous but loved it.

CakeL Tue 12-Nov-13 22:16:39

Glad DT went free but too many loose ends! Still don't know what was in the box sophie received? Who was she on the phone with? The guy DT got to help came out of a hospital in hospital clothes when sophie was spying on him, so did he get the epi pen for DT? .... Theories!!!

thedicewoman Tue 12-Nov-13 22:19:05

The epi pen was his mothers, you saw her necklace at the end...

lirael Tue 12-Nov-13 22:19:24

I think DT got the epi-pen from his mum - in the final scene on the beach you saw her tuck a medical pendant thing inside her coat.

But still don't get the present bit. Was Sophie having an affair with one of the other barristers? Or a judge? She was asking to come round and he said no.

thenightsky Tue 12-Nov-13 22:21:02

I thought Sophie was given a box of perfume which the killer couldn't have known was her favourite. She said 'how could he know?'

lirael Tue 12-Nov-13 22:24:36

Who did she ring though?

Tuhlulah Tue 12-Nov-13 22:26:46

What predictable, unrealistic, badly written drivel. Am watching second series of Borgen, which makes this drivel appear very poor indeed. What is happening to British TV if this is meant to be the finest drama?

Oh dear it was daft!

Ok I think the box was tea - remember she drank some in the prison but that was just in the bag. Never mind how did he know, how did he get in would be what I wanted to know! She was talking to Foyle's rather sinister solicitor I believe. If Burton had just shaken the git's hand he'd have got tea instead of a murdered wife. hmm

So I get the murder thing and I get that Sophie only knew because we (the audience) are too thick to have worked it out and needed it explaining and anyway she's a legal genius so only needs to look at an ipad and know what's up. I don't get the cloned card thing. What was the point of that? Was that how Burton paid his Eastern European mate for getting the files? confused. Or was that how he found him in Scotland? Very confused

member Tue 12-Nov-13 23:22:19

I get that Sophie knowing was a plot device to spell it out for the viewer, but why did she look so pissed off when Burton mentioned cremation?

Think the card thing was how he found out Foyle had gone to Scotland because the name Ben was mentioned and the lodge/cabin was Ben something

Ahhh yes!

Well the cremation thing - all along she wanted to be cleverer than him. If he had a second post mortem hanging over him she would have 'won', because she'd worked out what happened and he couldn't wriggle out of it - even though she had no intention of using her deductions. She just wanted to be cleverer. Him mentioning cremation spoilt that though it was plainly absurd. How could he have known that would happen, let alone influence it.

Optimist1 Tue 12-Nov-13 23:37:56

Thanks, everyone - that's a few of my questions answered!

member Tue 12-Nov-13 23:42:43

Yes, thought it was one-upmanshio as I wrote it

Davros Wed 13-Nov-13 09:16:06

I loved it. Yes it was far fetched but who cares? Brilliantly made and cast.
The thing his dodgy mate left in the bin was Foyle's medical records nicked from the hospital. That child must be traumatised!

valiumredhead Wed 13-Nov-13 12:53:53

The whole epi pen thing was ridiculous,I wish they'd research these things properly! Epi pens are given to the OUTSIDE of the thigh and that's how he'd have been instructed to administer it not to the inside thighhmm

Tuhlulah Wed 13-Nov-13 13:12:25

And if you think the medical inaccuracies are bad, you should see the legal ones! I won't bore you with the details.

I wonder if the script was better but it lost a lot of meaning during editing?

I find such blatant inaccuracies really insulting; it's as if we are assumed to be too stupid and ill-informed to notice/know, or too apathetic or unimportant to care about.

My DH always tells me, 'It's a drama not a documentary', but accuracy makes plausibility, and surely to suspend disbelief and to really become involved in a story we have to find it plausible as well as entertaining?

valiumredhead Wed 13-Nov-13 13:19:52

Oh I'm the same,I can't enjoy it at all if they get such basic things wrong!

David Tennant is looking really skeletal isn't he?

Tuhlulah Wed 13-Nov-13 14:19:44

And pale. And why did he dye his hair that odd colour? Just no, David. No.

valiumredhead Wed 13-Nov-13 16:21:00

Oh was it his hair that was odd? He looks like he needs a good meal, considering telly puts about a stone on you he must be like a xmas tree fairy!

Oh do bore us with the legal gaffs please grin

I'm confused by (one of the many) plot 'holes' - what happened to Tara. One minute she was chasing them down in a shopping centre and next she disappeared. The portrayal of women in general was depressing:

Maggie and Tara - cold 'legal eagles' who aren't quite as clever as David but foolishly think they are

David's Mum - who barely said a word but became an accessory to murder

Kate - ended up just about in pieces all over the floor. Enough said.

The alibi woman whose name I can't remember- totally cowed, totally exploited.

valiumredhead Wed 13-Nov-13 18:27:04

I don't think she was an accessory to murder,I presumed he just used her prescription for an epi pen, which in itself is another flaw as we have to practically beg on bended knee for them!

I wouldn't want to go on to court and claim I knew nothing about my son, with who I was living, nicking my epi-pen or prescription in order to murder the man who slaughtered my daughter-in-law and unborn grandchild, traumatised my grandson and devastated my son. Not unless I had Maggie or Will defending me - in which case I'd wear a t-shirt which said ' The bastard had it coming' and still expect an aquittal grin

hattymattie Wed 13-Nov-13 19:21:32

Kielder forest when I last knew anything was in Northumberland so if he killed Foyle there, the trial would surely have been Under English Law confused

Davros Wed 13-Nov-13 19:50:37

I thought it was in Scotland and he went there deliberately to get that third available verdict "unproven"

hattymattie Wed 13-Nov-13 19:57:23

Nope 6 I just looked at a map!

Tuhlulah Wed 13-Nov-13 20:02:13

Dear lord save us from a second series.

member Wed 13-Nov-13 20:04:07

Kielder is in Northumberland mostly but there are little bits which are just over the official border. It's complicated because there is a lot of woodland adjoining Keilder on the Scottish side which is officially Kershope wood but is often known as Keilder. Certainly a bit dodgy knowing which side of the border you were actually on when among all those trees!

hattymattie Wed 13-Nov-13 20:33:43

grin - member I don't understand why they didn't just mention an obviously Scottish locality.

So all in all this series was badly researched for law, medical facts and geography!

fancyanotherfez Wed 13-Nov-13 21:18:17

I've just watched the last part of this and I agree- Completely implausible that any of that would have happened. Also agree about the female lawyers. All Tara and Maggie seemed to portray about female lawyers was that they were unable to show compassion and be successful, like the men! The male lawyers were doing what they could to help but they seemed to relish getting one over on him. Why? Why was Maggie so devastated at the end that Foyle had been cremated? Because someone she knew, a supposed friend may not go to prison for the rest of his life? Especially in those circumstances? Just because it was more important for her to get one over on him? It was all ridiculous!

Clawdy Thu 14-Nov-13 10:09:23

I thought Maggie's gift was her favourite tea,too. But she whispered "How did he know?" and as Foyle had seen and commented on her choice of tea that didn't make sense? Found the use of all those"accomplices" near the end very confusing too. But have to say I was gripped throughout.

I thought it was tea, too. It looked like a Harrogate tea tin, if I recall correctly.

I did enjoy this drama (as I enjoy anything with my favourite David in it - SDTG does stand for StayingDavidTennantsGirl, after all blush), but the plot was full of holes.

Mumbrage Thu 14-Nov-13 11:51:32

whatever it was that somebody knew, i'd have been more worried that it got in to her apartment, rather than whatever it was he somehow knew

nennypops Thu 14-Nov-13 21:57:57

She just wanted to be cleverer. Him mentioning cremation spoilt that though it was plainly absurd. How could he have known that would happen, let alone influence it.

I don't think he either knew it would happen or influenced it. However, he would probably have known that Foyle had been cremated because someone would have been pestering the lawyers for the body to be released for that purpose - it wouldn't be released till the defence lawyers agreed in case they wanted the post mortem checked

He banked on the fact that it would never occur to anyone to check the injection site. When Sophie came up with her triumphant piece of potential evidence, he realised it would get her nowhere because another post mortem would be impossible. But I think that was sheer good luck for him - the escape artist winning again.

sparklysilversequins Fri 15-Nov-13 00:48:57

It was obviously a specific tea that she drinks. Doyle asked her and she just said "my tea", it was obviously a THE brand of tea.

What I don't get is how Will knew Foyle was up their on his Jollys at all confused.

sparklysilversequins Fri 15-Nov-13 00:52:29

There not their

Davros Fri 15-Nov-13 07:53:22

Didn't his dodgy mate put some tracking thing in Foyles clothes when he was at the climbing walll? Just have to hope he wears the same pants!

BrianButterfield Fri 15-Nov-13 08:27:08

I thought the dodgy guy hacked into Doyle's computer - he said "Ben Alludin" (sp? Can't remember the exact name) and you were supposed to think it was a person but it was the name of the mountain.

JumpJockey Fri 15-Nov-13 09:38:58

I thought the guy at the climbing wall had somehow got Foyle's bank card number - 4 lots of 4 numbers? - so they could trace his address - i.e. the place in the forest. Otherwise it's all far too much of a 'coincidence'. Still not convinced by the whole spotting him in a pub part of the story. And how come the pub had a loo big enough for your average shopping centre?!

DH (medical type) said they'd never cremate a murder victim, far too much chance for need for a second post-mortem.

Oh and the tea looked like a Fortnum and Mason tin to me!

sparklysilversequins Fri 15-Nov-13 09:53:20

I did thoroughly enjoy it though. I would love to see a series - Will, the barrister who got away with murder, brilliant grin. Also I am mad about DT now.

Tuhlulah Fri 15-Nov-13 17:27:22

So it appears the true escape artist was the story, in that it escaped having a plausible plot.

brainwashed Sat 16-Nov-13 17:56:48

I'm just disappointed I didn't know when they were filming this...the beach scenes are very very local to me!

Davros Sat 16-Nov-13 19:05:13

It was definitely not coincidence that DT saw him in that pub

IamMummyhearmeROAR Sat 16-Nov-13 22:25:32

Was it Canty Bay Brainwashed? When I taught in Edinburgh years ago we used to take our infant classes there for their summer trip. Looked very familiar to me

difficultpickle Sat 16-Nov-13 23:17:00

Why is Sophie so cross that DT was going to get off? I would have thought she was glad Foyle was dead.

sparklysilversequins Sat 16-Nov-13 23:19:37

I don't know if she was cross, she just wanted to win, to find the flaw in his plan, to be Number one.

sleepdodger Sat 16-Nov-13 23:34:43

Just finished smileTxhing shock

sleepdodger Sat 16-Nov-13 23:35:03

Watchingblush

difficultpickle Sun 17-Nov-13 10:16:52

I thought the last episode was incredibly contrived. It made me wonder whether it was supposed to have five or six episodes but it got cut before production started and everything had to be crammed into the last episode. Shame as the first two episodes were excellent.

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