SCD 2013 #3: Three celebs down, who's next?

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 14:02:56

Starting a new thread quickly before tonight's results show! We talk too much grin

Link to last thread

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 14:05:45

I like male Latin dancers to look very masculine too digerd. I like the idea of the man being the frame to show the lady off. When the man is a lot more active than the she is I think it can look a bit odd.

Just caught up on iPlayer this morning.

Tess's dress quite falttering for a change!

Also loved Deborah's dress - away from the granny sleeves, and that graudated black/ purple colourway was stunning.

Mark's waltz moved me to tears, so emotional. I know those with professional dance training get a tough time, but dance is about telling a story too, so the actors have a bit of an advantage there.

Dave as funny as ever, but he's not going to make the final.

Sophie a bit too cool and uninvolving.

Better from my girl Fiona, doing it for the elegant older ladies.

Natalie - amazing.

Out this week - maybe Rachel.

AmIthatHot Sun 27-Oct-13 14:44:13

I had a minor panic there when I saw the old thread wasn't accepting any more messages shock Thank you Polkadots

Did I really see someone saying they were warming towards Forsyth??

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 14:50:55

I've asked MNHQ if they can put a link to this thread on the end of the last one, so hopefully they'll do that and people will be able to find us.

Digerd there is a series of DWTS on at the moment. Having sought out Karina's Wikipedia page she gas a good record in the show, she's finished in the Top 5 eight times and won once with J R Martinez, who was the badly burned soldier that competed. She's got Corbin Bleu this year who was apparently in High School Musical <clueless>. Karina's page, there are lots of beautiful videos of her dancing on You Tube.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 16:17:00

Hurray! The new thread - thanks, Polkadots.

Melanie I loved Tess's dress this week, and agree that the colour combo for Deborah and Robin was fab. Sadly I think they might be in danger this week because of all that messing about with the table! I'd be sad to see her go, because she's enjoying it so much.

Think Fiona will be safe because of the Anton vote.

I love Mark and Iveta - he was so entertaining last week and as you said, very moving last night. Iveta's choreography is fab.

Really feel that Dave has had his day - but as I said on the last thread, I think the public will keep him in.

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 17:26:29

JaneEyre - DD (4.5) got pretty obsessed with that table and every dance afterwards was asking whether there would be a table involved smile

I think Dave & Rachel with Dave (hopefully) doing the off... if he's there, it would be criminal for anyone else to leave unless all if a sudden he pulls out snake-hips and finds the beat - never gonna happen!

MrsBramleyApple Sun 27-Oct-13 19:24:28

I'm here! Slightly distracted by what sounded like a bomb going off at the front of the house! shock
Hope Ben gets through!!!

What is Claudia wearing ?

thistlelicker Sun 27-Oct-13 19:25:55

Coooeyyyy

Claudia looks like a salmon

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 19:26:38

Yes, Dave has to go. He should have gone before now! I don't even find him entertaining; he seems to have lost his cheery personality and developed a very unattractive chip on his shoulder.

Those costumes for the pros' dance were NOT flattering.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 19:27:42

Those costumes were weird.
As is Claudia's dress!

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:27:57

Why don't they do recognizable dances when they start these days like a nice group quickstep? That wasn't bad but was a bit odd imo...

DD asked if Claudia was one of tess' (tesses ??) daughters grin

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:28:04

They do some lovely outfits on SCD, why can't they sort Claudia out? I luffa her, but her dresses....ugh

MrsBramleyApple Sun 27-Oct-13 19:28:21

Have just had a phone call to say the bomb was a rocket! It was so loud!

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:28:44

Luffa?? Meant luffa

Gooseysgirl Sun 27-Oct-13 19:29:32

Oh dear fashion car crash for Claudia tonight

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:29:33

Bloody iPad, it changed it just when I hit post! Luffs, luffs, luffs..

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 19:29:55

What does Darcey mean by 'it wasn't placed'?

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 19:32:49

OOOH! Not Rachel. I'm surprised.

MrsBramleyApple Sun 27-Oct-13 19:32:57

Rachel through.......... hmm

CrazyOldCatLady I missed the context Darcey used the phrase in, but I'd presume she means that someone is not fully extending their arms and using their hands correctly.

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:33:12

I think the reason i feel very affectionate towards anton & brendan is because there seems to be too many newbies... sad even thought that James & Ola seemed so sweet in that group dance and have never felt like that before...

Rachel through shock

Deborah in the dance off sad

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 19:33:30

Ooh, I'd forgotten about them!

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 19:33:54

Deborah and Robin? shock

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 19:34:09

Aww - poor Deborah.

She'll be so disappointed.

Dave should be the one to go. No musicality!

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:34:09

Oh, I like Deborah hmm

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 19:35:34

Claudia's dress! She'd better keep her knees together.

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 19:35:58

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CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:36:21

Showing a fair bit of thigh there, wasn't she!

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:37:01

Yup, hope she's against Dave, so she can stay

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:37:09

love a bit of earth, wind & fire grin

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 19:39:15

Me too Fush
Boogie Wonderland and September are my favourites!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 19:39:26

I enjoyed that grin

And a nice chacha smile

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 19:39:45

CrazyOldCatLady I missed the context Darcey used the phrase in, but I'd presume she means that someone is not fully extending their arms and using their hands correctly.

Frankel, she said it about Ashley's jive, that 'it wasn't safe or placed' - and she meant it as a good thing.

Sorry, I'm a beginner at this stuff blush

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 19:41:20

I love Claudia. Miss her on ITT sad

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:44:06

i hate the way tess pronounces Ola... ffs angry

Ahh, in that case she meant that he wasn't just going through the motions and literally "placing" the steps, he was committing to them.

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 19:44:32

She read it wrong! That can't be right!

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 19:44:36

Dave and Karen are through?! What's going on?

MrsBramleyApple Sun 27-Oct-13 19:44:39

Cant believe that Dave is through!

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 19:44:48

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CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:44:55

Noooooo!

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:45:09

Dave through shock

Patrick in dance off sad

Don't like the dance off this week!!

MrsBramleyApple Sun 27-Oct-13 19:45:11

BEN'S THROUGH!!!!!! smile

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:45:53

Think this means bye to Deborah and i don't want that... sad

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 19:46:22

Ohhhh hmm

I like both the couples in the dance off.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 19:46:33

Dave's safe shock - well at least we don't have to see that ghastly dance again.

Shocked at Patrick in the dance-off. Don't think Deborah will survive now sad

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:46:46

What a shame, I think it's too early to say bye to Deborah hmm

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 19:47:12

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Horsemad Sun 27-Oct-13 19:49:21

Who will go??????

CoffeeRevel Sun 27-Oct-13 19:49:52

Deborah, for definite

Patrick's song is much better suited to a Samba than a Salsa

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 19:53:17

I think Deborah too. Gutted because I adore Robin hmm

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 19:53:28

Patrick was better tbf ... soooo

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 19:55:14

hmm

Minimammoth Sun 27-Oct-13 19:55:17

Aw.

pinkteddy Sun 27-Oct-13 19:55:18

Gutted for Deborah sad

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 19:56:07

Aww sad

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 19:56:10

He was Fush but Deborah was SO much better than Dave!

But that's Strictly for ya.

Love Robin <sniff>

Oh Robin sad

Everyone that dances with him says they've made a friend for life.

MrsBramleyApple Sun 27-Oct-13 19:56:25

Robin in tears........... sad

Minimammoth Sun 27-Oct-13 19:56:40

I hope she keeps dancing.

digerd Sun 27-Oct-13 19:56:41

What a travestyshock at the viewers voting. Dave should have been in the dance off.

Impomea Sun 27-Oct-13 19:56:46

I blame that table !

areyoubeingserviced Sun 27-Oct-13 19:57:02

Sad that Debra has gone. Her love of dance was infectious.

Horsemad Sun 27-Oct-13 19:59:37

Aww, sad Deborah's gone. It was so nice how she really loved dancing.

dementedma Sun 27-Oct-13 20:01:59

Fuck am gutted! I LOVE Robin- he seems to be the lovliest man and such a hot dancer.

Horsemad Sun 27-Oct-13 20:02:53

Just thought, Grimsby isn't that far from me, could have a dance class with Kevin if he's doing them... grin

Rosa Sun 27-Oct-13 20:03:09

Even I am no dance expert could see Dave was soooo out of step / time ...rather like that Eastenders chap that went through to the final or did he win many years ago???
Sorry to see Deborah leave she really did love it !
Dd said Claudia looked like Peppa Pig in a sack...

awaynboilyurheid Sun 27-Oct-13 20:10:11

She did enjoy it but she would never got to the final and she didn't take it well did she, used to getting her own way maybe, Dave is not a dancer but its great entertainment my mum and I needed a laugh on sat and he provided it. Rachel loves it too but sadly not a dancer she stomps around too much but do feel sorry for her she doesn't know what she is doing wrong but the judges don't want to say you just can't dance.

Badgerwife Sun 27-Oct-13 20:14:59

What the HELL just happened? I was fully expecting Dave and Rachel in the dance-off, this is so so wrong. That's it, I'm voting next week, enough of this shambles

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 20:30:08

All those saying that whilst Patrick was better, Deborah wasn't the worst dance are so right... so far away from my bottom two but they did make the right choice out of the two sad

Robin seems just so lovely and i think strictly for him is very much about having as much fun as possible & getting his partner to love dancing - which Deborah clearly did. can't think whether he's ever had a contender...? Perhaps next year will be the one...?

FushandChups Sun 27-Oct-13 20:32:15

and Rosa - you're thinking if Chris Parker who did make the final if the first series but thankfully didn't win (lost to Natasha Kaplinsky!).. in his defence, i found him much more likable and significantly more attractive than Dave!

JaneEyresHeir Sun 27-Oct-13 20:33:41

Just checked Fush and he was eliminated in week 9 with Patsy Kensit and Anita Dobson, and stayed till week 11 with Lisa Riley.

Pan Sun 27-Oct-13 20:36:54

Just seen this - it was a travesty. Patrick was galloofering round the floor with concrete hips - Anya was working v hard. At least Deborah danced the dance.

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 20:39:00

Thanks for the new thread polka Well WTF were the public thinking about? Dave can barely stand let alone dance!! Both couples in the dance off were better than that big Rugby guy and Mark whathisname? Even the judges looked very sheepish as did Tess and Claud (WTF was Tess wearing?) it looked about 5 sizes too big for her shock

MintyChops Sun 27-Oct-13 20:44:27

Grrrrrrr!!! So ridiculous that that dancing monkey Dave is still in, the public are chumps!

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 20:49:34

Duh I didn't mean Tess's dress of course (though that looked a touch tight on her!) I meant Claud's sack number.yyyminty

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 21:03:50

I really hope that next year Robin is paired with someone who has the potential to win.

elcranko Sun 27-Oct-13 21:05:01

I agree re Claudia's dress - wtf? IMO she needs to wear something a bit more fancy, she looks a bit out of place amongst all the sparkle and glitter.

RedPencils Sun 27-Oct-13 21:05:43

Aw what a shame. Think Deborah had a few more weeks in her. She would probably have beaten Rachel, Dave and Fiona. Shame it was against Patrick.

I love Robin, always so lovely with his slebs. He's gound his niche with the mid table mature ladies. Love that he didn't turn her into the comedy routine.

Rachel is going to have to up her game next week. She was almost Dave bad.

CloudOfStarlings Sun 27-Oct-13 23:03:03

So sad to see Deborah go sad it wasn't her time.. I really like Dave but I fear this will now be the start of John Sergeant-style rage from the public at his staying in, which I always find a bore.

I'm glad to see you're all coming round to my way of thinking about Brendan but hands off grin
His dance with Aliona was fab but I want to see him back with Natalie Lowe! Will Aliona just be ditched from pro dances once Natalie Lowe is back??

CloudOfStarlings Sun 27-Oct-13 23:04:02

Oh & yes agreed that Robin definitely needs a contender next year! He more than deserves it.

Choccyjules Sun 27-Oct-13 23:20:46

My mum said Claudia looks like a dinner lady, absolutely no offence to dinner ladies but I know what she means

Choccyjules Sun 27-Oct-13 23:22:17

Looks like a uniform

ilovesooty Mon 28-Oct-13 01:11:19

Oh dear. Poor Deborah and the wrong two couples in the dance off. Surely Dave 's time must be nearly up?

I think Natalie said on ITT that she'll be back in group dances in about 2-3 weeks, so I presume Aliona will be off then.

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 09:06:39

I was gutted for them Robin bless him was so upset patrick just sort of hoofed about hoping for the best i know he had hurt his arm I just don't get it, confused

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 09:08:28

TBF Lisa RIley nearly went to the finals last year

Snowstorm Mon 28-Oct-13 09:35:49

Poor Deborah ...

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 09:59:35

Though wtf was that table bit of Deb's dance? IMO Robin lost the plot there.

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 10:00:07

yeah I agree it was the daft table routine there was no need for it imo

birdbrain21 Mon 28-Oct-13 10:59:51

just caught up on iplayer (was out last night) can't believe it, I mean I don't swear but all sorts of things are coming into my head now how on earth did the lovely debra and robin end up leaving when dave who clearly can't dance and his banana eating partner are still in although I'm sure karen isn't really as annoying as she seems if she's engaged to kevin from grimsby! this is a dancing competition not how many stupid faces can they pull!!!!

killpeppa Mon 28-Oct-13 11:03:23

Rachel! full as dishwatergrin

killpeppa Mon 28-Oct-13 11:03:36

dull*

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 11:05:43

I love that they are all now calling him Kevin from grimsby grin

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Mon 28-Oct-13 11:13:06

The result was a travesty. The Dave novelty has well and truly worn off for me; it stops being funny or endearing when it starts forcing off better dancers.

I liked that Deborah didn't try to put a brave smile on and was happy to look pissed off in front of the nation grin.

I really don't get the Patrick love from the judges. To me his legs and feet look plankish and heavy and his arms gangly and unwieldy. Wasn't sorry to see him in the dance-off but was expecting it to be him and Rachel, who was rubbish.

I thought nearly everyone was a bit underwhelming this week, TBH. Even Natalie's samba didn't really take off and I don't feel the 'chemistry' between Abbey and Aljaz the judges go on about.
Sophie was overmarked –stiff, half-hearted, wooden legs like a clothes peg doll.
Ashley also overmarked: sloppy feet and often bad arms.
Mark was sweet.
Fiona MUCH better and her acting was tip-top. A charming and sparkly dance.
Ben was a bit plankish but OK.
LOVED Susanna. She and Kev are a joy to watch. Highlight of this weekend for me. Oh, apart from Earth Wind and Fire of course. grin

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 11:16:26

I dont see the A n A chemistry either i think they just look for things to say really and they are a good looking couple i spose, there is more chemistry between anton and fiona he luffs her than anybody else imo

AmIGoingMad Mon 28-Oct-13 11:27:01

Theheadlesslady you've just summed up my exact thoughts on this weeks show!

CloudOfStarlings Mon 28-Oct-13 11:46:57

There is no chemistry between Abbey & Aljaz, the judges are just blinded by how supposedly good-looking they are. There's way more chemistry between Susanna/Kevin Iveta/Mark and even Dave/Karen.

And yeah Lisa Riley made the semis but still doesn't count as a 'contender' in the same way Kimberley/Denise/Louis were.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Mon 28-Oct-13 12:01:08

<<fistbumps Mad>>

Glad I'm not the only one puzzled by the 'chemistry'. I agree Anton and Fiona, Susanna and Kevin, Iveta and Mark and Dave and Karen all have better relationships and are nicer couples to watch.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 12:41:55

Agree basically the Headless Susanna and Kev are lovely as are Fiona and Anton they seem to enjoy it so much. Does anyone know if Natalie has had proper dance training and if she's talked about it because she really seems like a pro to me?

Apparently Natalie's CV (which several newspapers obtained via her agent) says she is "an accomplished dancer" and that she studied Latin, Tap, Jazz, etc.

She says she hadn't danced for 10 years, but to me there is a vast difference between someone who last danced as a teenager (as she did) and someone who did a year or so of ballet as a 5yo. Anyone who has danced as a teen/adult will have taken in a lot more about technique and musicality.

AmIGoingMad Mon 28-Oct-13 13:09:52

Definitely. Yes she's good but she's definitely got an unfair advantage.

birdbrain21 Mon 28-Oct-13 13:12:27

I think mark and iveta are one of the best couples ever, he's funny, tells a story well and can actually dance quite nicely as for the 'cold hard lithuanian woman' who's iveta trying to kid she seems lovely! Hope they do really well smile

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 13:13:50

Thanks frankel It's soo obvious that she's done ballroom to a high level; someone on STT said that the contestants are in competition with themselves which would be fine but of course but they're also competing with all the others confused

But it can never be a level playing field (and we say this every single year....)

Many actors and actresses will have had some stage school training, including dance.

The actors will be good at telling the story of the dance.

The sportspeople have great levels of fitness and stamina.

The models look good in lycra.

And there's always someone who the public love, even if they can't dance, and who stays in the contest much longer than if the dancers were voted off based solely on ability.

But that's the way the programme is. It relies on public voting - otherwise why not just go with the jduges scores each week. The John Sargeant/Anne Widdicombe/ Dave Myers personality makes for great telly, and has people talking about the show.

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 13:31:56

Alesha Dickson was a dancer too and she won didn't she I suppose if they go to stage school then they can dance I dont think Natilie will win she doesn't seem warm enough IYSWIM it is like DVO the other year people didnt seem to warm to her enough

I think the key with Natalie is that she has actually studied Latin dance, so has an unfair advantage over the others who have to learn from scratch.

At least the previous competitors/winners had never done Ballroom/Latin specifically.

birdbrain21 Mon 28-Oct-13 14:11:47

melanie I agree it won't be a level playing field, I think it is nice to have people who can dance anyway as it is lovely to watch, but personally I find Dave irritating with his whole 'look at me I know I can't dance but I think I'm funny' act when lovely people like deborah get voted out because robin tried to teach her to dance instead of turning her into a comedy routine...

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Mon 28-Oct-13 14:14:33

Agree 100%, birdbrain.

FushandChups Mon 28-Oct-13 14:54:32

Here Here birdbrain - but has always been this way and i am not yet as fucked off with Dave as i was with Widdy who genuinely thought she deserved her place every week (but then maybe she did as she could only stay with the public vote)

Argh - these people never actually make it to the final (except the aforementioned Chris Parker!) so at least that's something confused

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 28-Oct-13 15:05:25

I did stage dance before ballroom and it did help in terms of picking up steps/routines and performance, but it doesn't really help a great deal with technique and working with a partner.

I suppose your body is more likely to do what you ask it to, but some of the technique takes a long time to pick up, especially in Latin. I still have to concentrate hard to get a good hip action, and my samba action isn't good. Having done Latin before is a massive (and I would say, unfair) advantage.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 15:08:06

I think the final was interesting last year because the gymnast who won had been on a 'journey' which DVO hadn't, so the public and judges prefer that to perfect trained celeb. That makes it much fairer IMO.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 28-Oct-13 15:13:39

Not stage dance, theatre dance.

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 15:22:58

I agree with you Birdbrain I do like dave well the hairy bikers but this i am giving it a go mamlarky gets on my wick they are all giving it a go and getting better ,

digerd Mon 28-Oct-13 15:23:30

Frankel
As Nalatie has studied Latin, then all the more of a failure her samba bounce was. The way she dances is very balletic - always pulled up in her upper body. For Latin it needs more of an earthy and writhing movement. Samba should have a gay abandonment feel and bounce with the upper body often moving forwards from the waist.
Ballroom should be easy for her so long as she does her heel leads which in stage dance is never done.
With Abbey and Nat, it is all staged with no feeling coming within.
Aleisha shone with feeling from within, despite not being highly trained like Natalie.
Abbey doesn't look highly trained to me. Nat does, but too much performance and not enough natural expression and pure enjoyment.
Off my soap box nowgrin

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 15:26:03

my dh was sitting on his ipad and looked up on saturday when Natalie and artem were on and asked who the pro was so not that my dh is any authority on dancing but he didnt know

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 15:27:11

Thing is these celebs are asked and paid to go on I think the producers want at least a few who can actually dance or viewers might get bored if they were all Daves wouldnt they

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 15:37:25

Of course mrsjay that's why there are some who eventually get there who are more interesting to watch than the trained ones though it's good to have variety as you say. IMO There are too many planky Daves in this year's.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 15:39:45

I hope a woman wins this year and I hope it's Susanna and Kevin (he's a cute Harry Potter type too!).

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 15:48:42

I didnt like last years winner i thought MEH

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 15:49:21

I wanted Kimberly to win

CloudOfStarlings Mon 28-Oct-13 19:07:34

digerd you're spot on about Abbey and Natalie! No feeling, no raw passion, just very perfectly rehearsed and placed. Susanna radiates joy when she's dancing. (and I didn't even like her at all on BBC breakfast before this)

And mrsjay I agree about Louis Smith - meh! Never connected with any of their dances. I confess I was behind Dani & Vincent almost from the start but once she went out, Kimberley was definitely my next fave, she should've won really.

fush yes Widdy technically 'deserved' her place (because as you say, otherwise why have a public vote, everyone deserves their place because we get to choose) BUT she was very indignant and righteous about it "well the public WANT me here" all the time in her interviews, thinking she was doing us some sort of favour with her 'hilarious' routines. Dave is a lot more genuine and his partnership with Karen a LOT more fun to watch.

JaneEyresHeir Mon 28-Oct-13 19:41:17

Did anyone see Deborah and Robin on ITT?
So sad that they're out sad but what a lovely
interview. How fabulous that they are going to
keep dancing together and that Deborah's husband
has been taking dance lessons <sweet>.

'Twas good to catch a glimpse of Robin without
his shirt in the behind the scenes footage <swoon>.

ilovesooty Mon 28-Oct-13 20:54:05

Robin might be a good teacher and a niceguy but he isn't a top choreographer and that showed over the past two weeks. Still sorry about last night's result though.

I think Anton and Fiona might be in trouble the next time she has to dance Latin.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 21:18:20

Yes janeEyres I like STT with Zoe Ball who I reckon would make a better presenter on Sat. than Claud (somehow she doesn't seem camp enough for it) or Bruce (even if he has got new lenses and a slower autocue grin)

Deborah dragon comes across as a genuine person who was robbed IMHO.

digerd I agree Natalie dances in a very balletic fashion, and definitely agree that her Samba lacked bounce. When you compare her Rumba with Ben's with same week, whilst hers was more technically correct Ben's had more feeling. He definitely appeared to tick the "vertical expression of a horizontal desire" better than Natalie did!

mrsjay Tue 29-Oct-13 08:47:54

And mrsjay I agree about Louis Smith - meh! Never connected with any of their dances. I confess I was behind Dani & Vincent almost from the start but once she went out, Kimberley was definitely my next fave, she should've won really.

I loved Danni and I really wanted her to win so yes I switched to kimberly after that,

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 09:04:33

I was meh about Louis to start with but he was just scared (very young too) and gradually seemed to show his personality which seemed to be low key and sweet IMHO.

I do agree that Kimberley and Dani were robbed though.

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 09:05:34

Too many 'seemed' sorry grin

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Tue 29-Oct-13 09:24:09

I never got very interested in Dani. Not sure why, just didn't really enjoy her dancing.

Kimberley was great until her showdance, which was just like watching someone shimmying about in a club. Shimmying WELL, granted, but I wanted more of the ballroom and Latin techniques she'd learned and to see her actually dancing with her partner more.

I liked Louis once he got over his self-consciousness. Their showdance was fab.

mrsjay Tue 29-Oct-13 09:27:32

I think LOuis charrelston was amazing i loved it and I think that is when people started to warm to him and his show dance was spectacular and made me cry still wanted kimberly to win though

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 09:36:54

I suppose I'll have to vote to get a woman to win this year won't I? grin Won't we grin?

mrsjay Tue 29-Oct-13 09:38:03

yes dear we will grin

not sure who though

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 09:50:09

I like Susanna and Sophie; I do like Fiona too, but not sure she has the stamina to reach the finals

mrsjay Tue 29-Oct-13 09:54:42

I think Sophie might win not sure though depends on the voting doesn't it it is always close the last few weeks,

digerd Tue 29-Oct-13 09:55:16

I still loved Harry. I saw his raw potential, but he was so shy and serious about it at first but how he blossomed over the weeks was thrilling.
<and he was so cutesmile>

CloudOfStarlings Tue 29-Oct-13 09:55:28

Yes Louis was sweet & I did love their Charleston but I was just never wowed by them..personal taste isn't it. I loved loads of Dani's dances, especially her salsa, fusion (the ONLY fusion that was any good or made any sense imo, charleston/quickstep. I so hope they're not bringing fusion back this yr) and her Viennese waltz.

Susanna or Sophie to win this year for me, definitely. Want Sophie that little bit more cos I adore Brendan & would love him to be the first pro to win twice.

I realised last night they haven't brought the Argentine tango in yet, it's been there v early the last few years, so maybe they've realised we'd all much rather see it later on when it can be done much better!

I also had a little giggle to myself last night imagining Abbey Clancy having to do a Charleston. That'll be ..interesting!

mrsjay Tue 29-Oct-13 09:58:29

I think Louis bless him it was the year of the olympians wasn't it and he got lucky imo

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Tue 29-Oct-13 10:35:15

See I was unusual last year, I liked Denise best. I thought she was a bit more interesting! And one of the best dancers.

Kimberley was a nice dancer, but a bit boring. Dani wasn't as good a dancer and I was fed up of the whole 'they're so short!' bit. Louis didn't really have much of a personality...

But I do like Flavia, so was glad they won.

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 12:16:13

Bleedin' beeb2 I'm stuck in front of it from Eggheads till after MasterGBBO grin I'll do some mending!

FushandChups Tue 29-Oct-13 15:27:23

A friend knows Louis very well (if you know what i mean grin) and said he was pretty shy but genuinely a really nice man. Monkseal summed up his and Flavia's partnership perfectly - like mother & son which always made me laugh but was so true!

Anyway, i was happy he won although i think Kimberly was always the best Girl Aloud and would have been a worthy winner - gorgeous, funny and just seems so low maintenance (my friends cousin is her fiance!)

I sound like i move in fancy circles but i really don't!

digerd Tue 29-Oct-13 16:12:31

I thought you just liked name dropping grin

birdbrain21 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:35:56

I liked louis but found flavia a bit annoying! I wamted danni to win mainly to see vincents reaction!! This year apart from mark and iveta who I don't actually think will win I haven't really got any faves yet ashley and ola seem quite decent, as long as it isn't an annoying pro like kristina don't really mind any of the celebs, although do see my comment ^ about dave!

Has monkseal done this week yet?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Tue 29-Oct-13 17:49:16

The summaries are up, but not the full review yet.

FushandChups Tue 29-Oct-13 19:56:11

grin That's it unfortunately! And not even my claims to fame!

I do like to hold out for the full Monkseal but it normally is ready on Wednesday so might have a look in a bit!

digerd Tue 29-Oct-13 21:11:45

Karen Hardy was on ITT tonight. She demonstrated <sort of> the proper samba bounce but couldn't do it properly in those killer heeled stiff and thick platform shoesconfused. And her little girl stiff mushroom shaped skirt had no movement in it - no swishing and flipping. It was the Botta Fogos - not sure of the spelling.

HappyMummyOfOne Tue 29-Oct-13 21:29:10

Cant abide Sophie so hope she doesnt win, Abby and Natalie seem to be very serious whereas i like people who enjoy it. Doesnt leave many left so will have to go with one of the guys. In a dream world in would ba Anton as he usually gets voted out very early every season.

mrsjay Tue 29-Oct-13 21:42:36

fushandchups GET YOU grin

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 08:32:25

Blimey digerd I thought she was in boots they had zips round the ankle? weird they were confused what with the outfit and the botox I reckon she's reliving her lost youth (i can talk but I'm not on't telly thlgrin)

yesbutnobut Wed 30-Oct-13 14:17:21

I though Karen Hardy was spot on last night about Sophie - I thought she was over marked on Saturday as her cha cha was rather 'floppy'. Also about Abbey who again I thought was over marked - she pointed out the gapping between her and her partner (can't remember his name!).

FushandChups Wed 30-Oct-13 14:41:59

Monkseal's latest

Haven't had a chance to read it but thought would see if it was there. I really need to get out more!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Wed 30-Oct-13 14:44:02

Aljaž. Some of them have really dodgy holds this year I think.

Or it could just be I'm noticing other people's more, because I've been nagged about mine!

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 16:50:43

Thanks for Monkseal Fush It takes a lot of reading I'd recommend it for anyone who missed some or all of last week's. grin

YYY yesbut

digerd Wed 30-Oct-13 17:22:07

Polkadots
Just noticed your link to that video last Sunday - cringe. ' Oh look at me, I am so gorgeous and brilliant'. Really OTT and off-putting. I found his dancing rather grotesque tbh.
ppeat
Didn't notice the botox or the zips, I was a bit confused by her <no way could anybody dance in those platforms> shoes.

MsInterredInCrypt Wed 30-Oct-13 17:33:01

Oh I love the Karen Hardy bits on ITT. I didn't watch scd when he was a pro on the regular show, more fool me! From what lots of you say, the main show had a lot more focus on the training/steps etc then too.

Flavia was good in Karen's spot last week too, wasn't she? (behind the times, in more ways than one, sorry...)

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Wed 30-Oct-13 17:55:51

I wonder if she's less experienced than him, so their routines are designed so you focus on him more? They dance youth, so must be under 19 shock

Although I was once told that ladies competing from 16-35 aim to look about 25 grin

digerd Wed 30-Oct-13 18:18:30

I really was not able to look at her as soon as he began to dance . He completely overshadowed her and I couldn't watch for long as was put off by himsad. He was putting his all into his dancing, but was OTT.
Didn't realise they were youths.
At 35 I think we all aimed to look 25grin

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Wed 30-Oct-13 18:37:41

Who are we talking about? Who dances youth?

Sorry to be the old dear in a corner with an ear-trumpet grin

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Wed 30-Oct-13 20:04:20

Oh, we were talking about male dancers looking masculine whilst dancing Latin, and I said how I'd been told the man's job is to make the 'frame' for the lady being the 'picture'. I posted this link of how strange it can look when the man does a lot more than the girl. They're a Russian youth couple, so 16-19 years old.

I have to take issue, a bit, with what Karen said about not having time to teach the celebs things like the correct bounce action in the samba (or CBMP in Ballroom) - I'm sorry, but they are integral to the dance itself! If you can't teach it even in a basic fashion then a) rethink your choreography and maybe take out some of the unnecessary faffing about and b) have a look at your teaching abilities!

I've been taught about the bounce action from day 1 of learning Samba, it's not an after-thought, it has to be built into the foundations of knowledge.

<gets off high horse>

CloudOfStarlings Wed 30-Oct-13 22:41:19

I didn't see Karen this week but what you say makes perfect sense frankel - bit weird that she said that?!

msinterred EVERYTHING used to be better about Strictly pre-series 7 and 'evil Moira Ross' (copyright monkseal)

Have to say I'm holding my breath about dreaded Halloween week.. yes yes the costumes & makeup are great but waste of time VTs & stupid gimmicky dances Grr wanders off muttering angrily about Scooby-doo themed cha chas

MsInterredInCrypt Wed 30-Oct-13 22:50:59

Can you give a dimwit a quick guide to evil Moira Ross? Was it her wot dumped Arlene then?

I'll happily bow to anyone with greater since knowledge than I (er, that'll be everyone on the thread then...) but I thought it was interesting what Karen said after the bit about the samba bounce. She thought the pros should be teaching them more content and challenging routines, was that right? I can't remember exactly now but I remember thinking it sounded good. Maybe just bc it was re Craig being overly picky. On the whole I respect his views and comments but stimes it feels like he's trying to put a plaster in a broken leg - 'you're heel lead was limp' (told you I know nuffink!) when it seems more pressing issues of hold and rhythm would be better addressed?!

Ooh, I'm ranting now!

MsInterredInCrypt Wed 30-Oct-13 22:52:09

*greater DANCE knowledge than I

blush

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Thu 31-Oct-13 01:03:49

I think it's hard on Strictly- like rumba for example the hip action is a big part of it but isn't a natural feeling, so I can see how it's easier to get them to 'wiggle' a bit and hope for the best, rather than focus on the mechanics of it in just one week.

Some things like the heel leads are really worth doing; (a) because it's correct and (b) because they're easy to see and it's generally easier to get somebody to remember to do a heel lead than to dance in time if they really struggle to find a beat.

I also think if they're struggling to learn a dance they should do a bit more practising rather than going roller blading/to a football pitch/to a boardroom. I don't mind something a bit different happening, like if they go to a social dance club or have friends and family come to training (I'm pretty sure Gethin went zorbing before his VW), but the sake of doing something different for the sake of it every single week irritates me.

Series Seven was when it became gimmicky really, new pros, new dances and the start of the costumes and props. And mark inflation...

They're trying to turn it into DWTS. The worst part of that is that I've seen, in the past at least, them make musical slebs dance to their own songs <shudders at the cheese>

Polkadots, I remember what you refer to Karen saying, I think it was in reference to Mark's Waltz and CBMP. She said he was stiff and none of the judges picked up on his lack of CBMP which is what caused the stiffness (I'm sure Len would have lived to say something but they've probably told him not to use technical terms!). Karen spent a minute or so talking about how important use of CBMP is in Ballroom only to then say, "but you don't have time to teach it" hmm

I get that it's something that can't be learnt in a few days, but if they at least make an attempt to build it in from the start of the series, each Ballroom dance would get progressively better as it applies right through - it is also used in Paso Doble.

Sorry, I should have explained to non-dance folk that CBMP is Contra-Body Movement Position. It is basically where your top half continues to face your partner, while your feet face point in another direction.

Definition

ppeatfruit Thu 31-Oct-13 09:11:20

Frankel sorry to sound thick but what is DWTS? I do wish that the beeb could keep it's good popular programmes and not fiddle with them to go downmarket with them .Let the others come UP to their standard.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Thu 31-Oct-13 09:19:03

Thanks Polka. He DOES look a bit ridiculous, doesn't he? grin

Frankel, I completely agree about CBMP and the samba bounce. They're not add-ons, they're basic building blocks, surely?

CloudOfStarlings Thu 31-Oct-13 09:23:22

YES frankel and YES ppeat...totally agree with both of you on those points. Particularly the stupid VTs! Really makes me angry that these slebs who don't have much time (particularly Susanna/Ashley etc who are still working full time too) are made to spend a day/a few hours filming stupid VTs! Just show us their training FGS!

pp DWTS= Dancing With The Stars, the American version of SCD.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Thu 31-Oct-13 09:27:59

DWTS is Dancing with the Stars- the American format of Strictly.

I haven't seen Karen yet, but that does sound really odd about CBMP. It makes dancing so much easier! It's one of those things that even if you can't always get it right, knowing it's there and trying to do it at least some of the time really helps. And of course you're right, over the whole series with it repeated across the dances they should really have improved by the end.

ppeatfruit Thu 31-Oct-13 09:31:18

Thanks cloud thlgrin Surely if it's a franchise belonging to the beeb they should call the shots shouldn't they?

Theheadless Of course being decapitated you would be rather deaf wouldn't you? thlgrin

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Thu 31-Oct-13 10:07:39

ppeat, yes, it has its downsides grin

The Beeb seems to sell Strictly all over the world but with a great deal of freedom for other countries to make it their own.

My teacher spends half her time in Greece and was invited along to sit in the audience for the Greek version of SCD (also called DWTS), she said the "Pro's" were so bad she sometimes couldn't tell who was supposed to be the beginner and who the expert!

Snowstorm Thu 31-Oct-13 17:52:55

One of the male pros had a big club hand on his celebrity dancer's back the other week but I can't remember which one it was ... Craig's always such a stickler for these things that it surprises me when I see the professionals doing it.

CloudOfStarlings Thu 31-Oct-13 19:56:34

Have people seen this about Natalie Gumede possibly having injured herself again? Quite interesting.

digerd Thu 31-Oct-13 21:35:04

Saw bits of ITT tonight and Rachel's American smooth did not look good, but they tend to play it down until the performance. I hope so for Rachel's sake that on the night she will sparkle and amaze mehmm.

I remember Karen Hardy saying that in the ballroom the first and easiest technique to master is the "no gapping in hold" and that still too many are gapping. That is taught as the basics before heel leads she said.

digerd Thu 31-Oct-13 21:41:24

I think I really mean *for Pasha's sake*smile

digerd Thu 31-Oct-13 21:42:38

Hmm. Let's try that again. for Pasha's sake.

ppeatfruit Fri 01-Nov-13 10:36:53

That's interesting Frank you don't ever hear them criticising the pros shock but maybe they should (possibly behind the scenes to save their faces!).

ppeatfruit Fri 01-Nov-13 10:43:15

Sorry I meant snowstorm.

Digerd The thing with the 'gapping' ;it must be difficult if you have a jealous partner who's watching you intently while dancing and thinking all those jealous thoughts grin

digerd Fri 01-Nov-13 15:31:01

Patrick is bad at this, but because he is so tall in comparison to his partner, I would think her hips must be lower than his? I think it must be a quite embarrassing for the celebs.
Male and female, especially with Anton < that rumour in his light coloured trousers> grin
Good thing Christina is much shorter than Ben as otherwise her big boobies would be in his face when she leans backgrin. Same thing applies to Ben as with Patrick in the ballroom hold.hmm

ppeatfruit Fri 01-Nov-13 16:37:54

I'm surprised that the wooden male celebs like Dave and Ben are still in it TBH!

digerd Fri 01-Nov-13 17:36:56

ppeat
You don't see the appeal of Ben, then?
Was disappointed in his quickstep, though his footwork was better than I feared it would be.
But Dave - no appeal for me at all in any of the dances, don't even find him funny.
He should have gone last week imo.
Looking forward to tomorrow's show.

I think Ben is slowly improving, his Rumba was actually pretty good - the hips were stiff but he wasn't shy about showing feeling like some male slebs. He could do a Matt Dawson/Darren Gough.

ppeatfruit Sat 02-Nov-13 15:02:33

Ben is cute I agree digerd although he will never be a natural on the dance floor, much cuter than Mark (there's too many wooden males still in it for my liking.) Especially when you think that Deborah dragon has gone she could just about dance fgs!!!

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 18:30:23

Evening all. Wine poured, dinner eaten and ready to go.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 18:33:38

Dinner ready with me on the couch grin

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 18:35:10

Hiya - may I join? Just settling in front of scd with a cuppa smile

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 18:38:59

I've mince pies heating in the oven for afters, HellesBelles - have one for with your cuppa : )

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 18:39:48

Evening everyone! Sitting with the duvet over me and the dog harrumphing under the duvet! Getting ready for my Ben fix............ <3

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 18:41:38

I love a mince pie COCL thank you smile

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 18:42:04

Ben's outfit the best so far grin

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 18:42:54

Debs should not have gone as she was not the worst dancer, I agree. It was Dave's time < tearing my hair out at the viewers votes>.
Ben's rumba did show feeling and he is no actor. I really enjoyed it.< to be honest he took my breath awayblush>

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 18:42:56

I know the props are shit but i do like the Halloween show [hgrin]

Oh no, Dave - just no!

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 18:43:38

My mum thinks Dave looks better than he ever has before!!! wink
Ben with just a waistcoat on top!!! [thuddddddddddddd!] grin

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 18:43:38

ah - no Halloween smiley things then grin

Sophie looks amazing!

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 18:44:26

Evening all. I am banished to the bedroom because of the footy angry but at least nobody will talk all over it.

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 18:44:41

I'm still gutted over Debra

Fiderer Sat 02-Nov-13 18:44:44

God I think I'm turning into Len. They could film Halloween dances with wonderful make-up, daft extras and fake spookery - all the Messin' Abaht on Sat afternoon as a special.

Then have a normal Sat night live dance show.

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 18:45:36

I too like Ben's lack of clothes

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 18:45:39

Do they realise Halloween is over? confused

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 18:45:53

Yup - Dave's annoying me already.

May have to look away when he starts dancing wink

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 18:46:05

Oh my word! How annoying are these vignettes?

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 18:47:15

Liked that!

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 18:47:43

I think they should have done Halloween week last week.

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 18:48:09

That was fun - and Patrick looked like he was having a ball (which i always think is half the battle)... lots of gapping though

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 18:48:10

Patrick was really good this week I thought!

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 18:48:26

Well done Patrick! Len said it all. I am so pleased for him.

dementedma Sat 02-Nov-13 18:48:30

I liked that too!

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 18:48:37

It was a great start to the show.

Hopefully this week will be livelier than last!

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 18:48:43

Agree elcranko

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 18:49:30

Yapping yes but good dance, hoorah for Patrick.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 18:49:54

Noce bouncy quickstep - loved the voodoo theme

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 18:50:55

Yes, should have been last week. I'm trying to get all Christmassy here!

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 18:51:09

Good score. Well done, Patrick.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 18:51:10

The judge's jack a lanterns are incredible

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 18:53:20

That was good.

Have I said before how much I HATE Anton?

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 18:54:08

FFS - anton carved those did he!!!

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 18:55:42

Why are scarecrows halloweeny?

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 18:55:49

The timing isn't great imo.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 18:55:59

A bit sedate.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 18:56:18

Agree re Anton and he cannot do justice to latin dances.

Couple of timing issues there I thought.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 18:56:41

Definitely agree about the timing, and sedateness. A bit too nice?

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 18:56:55

Hmmm, not sure what i think of that.. one of them was out of time i think (out of sync with each other perhaps rather than the music, iykwim..confused)

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 18:57:07

I do wish they wouldn't boo the judges!

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 18:57:24

Wincing for Fiona, not great

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 18:57:39

All a bit boring. Not great choreography.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 18:58:02

Dave?!

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 18:58:20

Dave grin Poor Darcy!

Extremewife Sat 02-Nov-13 18:58:21

why has Bruno got an orange neck he looks like he's got some kind of strange disorder angry

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 18:58:57

Yippee, I'm right. They agree with me

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 18:59:00

I thought it was anton who was out of time!

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:00:06

Fiona and Anton a bit tame, but the dance suits neither of them, I'm afraidsad. It looked more like a pantomime dance .

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:00:52

Yes I thought he was out of time at the beginning especially HRH

8???!!!

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:00:55

HRH
I thought so toohmm

Crazy4U Sat 02-Nov-13 19:00:57

Over scored.

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 19:01:27

They are marking very high.

That's what's screwing up the voting - there are lots of people tied on points.

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 19:01:51

Ben time!

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:01:55

BEN.............................grin

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:02:20

Big Ben time - yay!

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:02:25

Big ben time ! Paso hmm. Hope he wows me againhmm. Was disappointed last week.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:02:39

Come on Ben!

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:02:48

I hate to say it but I think this should really be Anton's last year as one of the pros hmm

Yay Ben! smile

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:03:41

Impressed by Fiona playing down her twisted ankle - cannot be having with x-factor style sob stories.

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:04:21

Topless again!!! THUDDDDDDDDDD!!!

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 19:04:24

Oh my word. He has forgotten his shirt. shock

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:08

Is this a treat for Craig? grin

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:14

hmm

Not great

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:30

Wooo Ben!!!!

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:46

I couldn't see ANYTHING wrong with that

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:51

The sight of a topless Ben was a nice distraction to the singers/band murdering that Muse song!

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:56

A standing ovation? Really? confused

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:05:58

That was good. I'd watch that again.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:06:15

Oh that knee-slide. Twould be better without the waistband imho

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:06:16

Kristina 'Rancid' Rhiannof smile

Bens cape work was excellent but the rest wasn't, imo. He looks rather smashing without his top if though (and i'm not a big Ben fan!)..

What was up with that music though... awful!

ABitterPIL Sat 02-Nov-13 19:06:16

Oh sweet cheeses! Ben has awakened things I thought long gone!

AmIthatHot Sat 02-Nov-13 19:06:38

I'm just home so have missed some. Already, though, saying STFU to Forsyth.

And as for Ben, I don't know whether that was good or not, but I hate when they take their shirts off.

Chipstick10 Sat 02-Nov-13 19:06:46

Enough of the top off, seriously. Yawn.

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 19:07:13

Darcey's had the crimpers out.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:07:28

Len looked scared while Darcey was throwing her arms around!

Nerfmother Sat 02-Nov-13 19:07:55

Sweaty hairy chest not doing it for me. Where's the Immac?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:08:10

He has glitter-clump

dementedma Sat 02-Nov-13 19:08:17

Stompy

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 19:08:22

Dd used to like her hair like that when she was about 6

ShadeofViolet Sat 02-Nov-13 19:08:22

Taking shirts off normally = desperation. Surely they are not there yet.

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:09:31

Arf at ABitterPIL

Have to say - I prefer a bit of mystery myself! Sexier with the waistcoat on!

AmIthatHot Sat 02-Nov-13 19:09:56

Agreed, Violet.

catfood Sat 02-Nov-13 19:10:42

Clod-hopping and ludicrously overmarked.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:10:49

9???? I didn't even notice the dance and I know it wasn't a 9!

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:10:50

mmm? With his naked chest and the cumberbund he looked more like a wrestler than a spanish matedor. His posture was disappointing as Bruno tried to show him before Ben ashamedly swept him off his feet and into his arms.

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 19:10:54

I just never feel Ben holds himself well. IYKWIM ahem.

Nerfmother Sat 02-Nov-13 19:11:00

I love Sophie. I get distracted by how gorgeous she is.

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:11:15

9 - really!!! hmm so len, just slightly off perfect was it..

That's made me a bit angry actually.. not sure why!

AmIthatHot Sat 02-Nov-13 19:11:36

I wish I knew why I disliked Kristina, but I just do.

Looking forward to Sophie upping her game a bit now

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:11:54

Has Brendan had a haircut or what? He looks different.

I'm not optimistic about Sophie's jive. I don't think it'll suit her.

OodaresingingoftheDoctorDonna Sat 02-Nov-13 19:11:55

Bit generous score from Len?

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:12:29

hmm I like Ben - and Kristina - but that was over marked, surely?

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 19:13:04

Ooh Maneater

Nerfmother Sat 02-Nov-13 19:13:31

Ongoing what is she wearing? Like an albino ladybird?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:08

A rather cool and collected start from SEB

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:20

There's no jiving.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:23

She's too reserved.

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:41

This is a really awkward bit of choreography isn't it? And the peplum is much too high...

catfood Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:51

Not enough dancing Brendan

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:52

What's happening, has someone ties Sophie's knees together?

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:14:55

Brendan looks like he is constipated the way he is leaping about! hmm

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:04

Sophie has definitely done better but Brendan is pushing all my buttons blush

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:05

She's always too reserved.

OodaresingingoftheDoctorDonna Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:09

Patrick looks like he's clapping politely but not impressed

Nerfmother Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:10

Erm that was a tiny bit shit. Like a provincial pantomime.

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:35

Disappointing.

Love them though.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:44

That did not look like a jive.

toldmywrath Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:46

SEB looked a bit off form tonight & what a pronounced chin she has!

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:57

Not impressed - boring, even the audience isn't clapping with enthusiasm.

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 19:16:30

I thought that was very good. Oh dear

IndiansOnTheRailroad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:16:30

She doesn't commit. She just marks everything.

dementedma Sat 02-Nov-13 19:16:37

That was crap

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:16:39

She's beautiful, but that was not a pretty dance. She could have performed it perfectly, and it would still have looked rubbish IMO...

catfood Sat 02-Nov-13 19:16:50

agree Horsemad - sophie too reserved, too hesitant. Might be a problem with Brendan, I think he puts too much pressure on his partners.

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 19:17:02

Peplum ..awful...

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:17:05

I usually really like Sophie & Brendan but I didn't enjoy that dance much hmm

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:18:25

Len's marking is well off tonightconfused

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:18:42

Brendan doesn't help when he speaks, does he...? Also: 8?!

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 19:19:27

She always seems to cool for school.

I'm too good for this dancing lark. But I like her. I want her to do well.

Are dancers so famous that they only have one name?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:19:30

Looking forward to this - I enjoy natalie and artem's dancing smile

ShadeofViolet Sat 02-Nov-13 19:19:38

Has Len been drinking?

catfood Sat 02-Nov-13 19:20:04

Can't wait for Natalie, she's such a natural.

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:21:48

Its Natalie hmm So mehhhhhhhhhhh!!!

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:00

Bloody awful tune

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:09

First 10 I think

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:19

Artem's forgotten to do his shirt up...

dementedma Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:23

O wow. Loved that.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:25

I really liked the piano solo at the beginning, it was much more atmospheric before everyone else joined in. Gorgeous dance though and I bloody love her dress.

The stage manager needed to stop chain smoking though.

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:26

I don't like the Halloween theme so far sad. (That said, I do wish Sophie and Brendan had done a proper jive to Monster Mash...)

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:28

You can tell it's good when it seems too short.

Should have been instrumental. The vocals crashed it.

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:28

i think if Natalie had been paired with anyone else, I'd really dislike her but i quite liked that (although she is clearly miles ahead of all the others!)

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:23:55

I find Natalie smug and irritating, but she's a lovely dancer

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 19:25:32

I ought to like Natalie, but I just can't.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:26:21

Two tens!

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:26:48

Bet she gets a ten tonight! hmm

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:26:53

Starting to warm to her more.
Enjoyed that - mystical and haunting.

Not sure if it deserved two tens though hmm
- but well done to them!

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:27:28

I was on lag................!

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:27:31

shock Wow... She could be a bit more excited though (artem looks well chuffed!)..

And sounds like Dave is doing the Monster Mash - not looking forward to that!

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 19:27:41

Who comes up with the themes for the dances?

catfood Sat 02-Nov-13 19:27:45

If you don't like Natalie you don't really like dancing.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:28:45

I love Iveta : )

AmIthatHot Sat 02-Nov-13 19:29:32

Ooooh, it's the cold hard Lithuanian woman grin

Oh and I love dancing, but don't like Natalie, so figure that one out hmm

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:30:55

What dance is this? I'm lost.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sat 02-Nov-13 19:31:18

Disco paso? hmm

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:31:25

Uhm... Paso?

AmIthatHot Sat 02-Nov-13 19:31:47

I too wondered what dance this was. I liked it but didn't look like a paso

dementedma Sat 02-Nov-13 19:31:47

Mark has great timing

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:32:06

Bonkers!
Mark looks Tweedledum in that get up.
SO much more entertaining than dull Dave.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:32:09

Dave again? What's going on tonight with calling people Dave?

Also, I had absolutely no idea that that was a paso. None.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:32:15

Enjoyed that but it was not a paso

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:33:23

So is Iveta just a bit too bonkers?

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:33:55

I am Dave Spartacus.

AmIthatHot Sat 02-Nov-13 19:34:35

oh, no Iveta has just done the phone thing with her hand angry

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:35:24

Wasn't it supposed to be an american smooth, with the choreography combining the paso with whatever the other was?

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:35:50

Missed Natalie and also Mark - had a visitor shock Don't they know I watch SCD???

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:35:53

Rachel needs a good night

DaveBussell Sat 02-Nov-13 19:37:13

Feel sorry for Rachel - she's very likeable but she hasn't got the right stuff

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:37:18

If they need to save time, they could ditch these films

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:37:53

Horse - how dare they? shock

Really hoping to see sims improvement in Rachel's dancing this week.

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:38:34

Haha, too true HellesBelles - so naff!

Nerfmother Sat 02-Nov-13 19:38:43

I hate the films. Top up time .

Nerfmother Sat 02-Nov-13 19:39:13

Boring

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sat 02-Nov-13 19:39:42

Another bloody awful tune. What is wrong with them all, choosing such dirge?

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:40:27

Rachel & Pasha aren't really doing anything for me sad That was nice, but that's all it was for me anyway!

Want Pasha to do well though - he's so sweet!

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:40:27

Well done, Rachel and Pasha smile

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:40:55

I thought Rachel looked better posture wise this week.

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 19:41:06

Is the dance over?i nodded off. She stops dancing in parts.

Dull.

toldmywrath Sat 02-Nov-13 19:41:13

Ditch those stupid films if you're short of time. The singer sounds like a strangled cat.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:41:36

Normally enjoy an american smooth but that was a bit blah. Went well, I think but pasha can choreograph better than that.

7's seem reasonable.

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:41:46

So much better Rachel!

Not really an 8 though? confused

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:42:00

Oh dear. What is wrong with the judges? That was very poorly danced.
Rachel is so beautiful, just wish her dancing was .
7s fine, 8s ridiculous.

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:43:37

Yay Ashley & Ola... My favourites smile

Ola's make up/costume look great!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:43:43

Ooh! Tango smile

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:45:11

Liking Ashley and Ola grin.

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 19:45:57

Love Ola's dress.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:46:15

Hmm. He tangoes rather competently.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:46:41

Another one that seemd over too soon! A few paso elements with a proper tango in hold.

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:46:42

Ashley is so handsome - i would take him over Ben any day.. Not his best dance though...

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:46:47

I thought that was good but couldn't see their feet with the smoke.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:49:19

Ashley=best male costume & make-up.

Good tango face too.

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:50:17

Ooh looking forward to watching Abbey.

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:51:46

I really dislike all of this filler in between dances.

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:51:53

Ashley has talent as a dancer and always gives it his all. Something missing in the tango and think it was the low knee and posture style.

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:51:58

Cant stand Abbey. Am I the only one who thinks she is a bit too touchy feely with him..........? hmm

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:52:35

Yes! Way too touchy feely.

I hate the rumba. I just don't get it.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:52:44

Also hate the song.

coffeeinbed Sat 02-Nov-13 19:52:46

Yes, that smoke was a bit of a silly thing to do in a dancing competition.

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:52:57

For some reason, I knew they would choose this song... It's the only good one so far, but the singer is no Marcella Detroit sad.

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 19:53:07

Or Siobhan Fahey, clearly.

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:54:00

And now in a complete turnaround, I actually liked that.

Except the singer, who should be fired immediately.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:54:44

It seems to take Abbey a little while to come out of the dance. She really seems to feel the dance.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:55:00

I really loved that dance.

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:55:00

Good rumba by Abbey - more hip movement needed and expression with her shoulders and upper back.

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:55:02

Mind you if I was married to Peter Crouch??? wink

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:55:33

Saw that bloody 'chemistry' they've been going on about at last - that was really good!

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:55:52

I quite liked that but yes, they're way too touchy feely with one another!

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:55:57

That 'little brother' bit had an oddly scripted feel hmm

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 19:56:40

Not Dave. I'll make a cup of coffee.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 19:57:00

Hope Dave doesn't do that finger thing yet again.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:58:18

A. lot of chemistry between Abbey & Aljaz. smile

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:58:19

Crazy - I agree!

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 19:58:42

Oh no, Dave is doing a jive?! confused

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 19:59:23

sad He is dreadful!

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 19:59:31

Dave needs to go. Seriously.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:59:40

Oh dear sad

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 19:59:46

I am so ready for Dave to go now! hmm

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 20:00:21

That was flaming awful

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 20:00:28

Um... How was that a jive?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sat 02-Nov-13 20:00:38

I'm not sure it really was a jive elcranko grin

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 20:00:53

Dave's best dance. Actually tried to dance though was flat and slow.

Minimammoth Sat 02-Nov-13 20:01:07

Bye Dave.

FoxyHarlow123 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:01:15

Abbey is ''psyched'. What is it with her? She's very on edge and nervy. Liked the dance though :-)

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 20:02:14

Why are people voting for him?!

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 20:02:41

Yes, that's exactly it, it was his best dance. But it still looked like week 1.

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 20:02:59

I know Jane, it's not even like he provides comedy.

HRHwheezing Sat 02-Nov-13 20:03:04

Overmarked

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 20:03:15

6? Seriously?

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 20:03:18

Foxy I could answer that question but my post would be deleted!! wink

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 20:03:31

Kevin from Grimsby!!!!!

Sparklingbrook Sat 02-Nov-13 20:03:33

I hate to say this but I am ready for the final. sad

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 20:04:00

Bramley grin

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 20:04:53

Wasn't Susanna on last last week too?

She REALLY irritates me. I don't even know why. I like Kevin though grin

Maryz Sat 02-Nov-13 20:05:12

These VTs are truly ghastly

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 20:05:15

Agreed COCL

I like the combo of kevin and susannah. brew for kevin

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 20:05:22

Exactly elcranko
The comedy turn should provide a laugh or two....

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 20:05:22

This could be fun, these two will suit a Charleston.

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 20:06:53

Kevin looks like Pasha!

JaneEyresHeir Sat 02-Nov-13 20:07:15

That's a better Charleston -
I do love a bit of fringing!

MrsBramleyApple Sat 02-Nov-13 20:07:16

She is clodhopping somewhat!

CrazyOldCatLady Sat 02-Nov-13 20:07:17

Full of energy and joy but she just doesn't have that 20s charleston look, somehow.

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 20:08:22

Susanna's Charleston was better than I expected, but not as... "refined" or memorable as SEB's.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 20:08:44

That just didn't grab me somehow.

hattymattie Sat 02-Nov-13 20:08:52

Kevin is the best dancer on the whole show - he is like Fred Astair.

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 20:09:04

Susanna is not a trained dancer, but is so enjoyable to watch. Don't know how old she is , but she has loads of energy and didn't flag. That was energetic.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sat 02-Nov-13 20:09:19

I thought Fiona's actual charleston action was better than Susannah's - hers was too heavy.

Although I was mainly watching Kevin I admit.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 20:09:21

I thought she looked a bit heavy.

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 20:09:52

Kevin was ace!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 20:09:54

A lot of previous celeb dancers in the audience - does anyone think they've been filming a special?

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 20:11:09

?? I don't know.. There hasn't been one dance tonight that has made ne really happy i tuned in.. except maybe Patrick - i think i really liked him!

the marks tonight have been ridiculous!!

FoxyHarlow123 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:12:04

Agree, little Kevin is mega.

elcranko Sat 02-Nov-13 20:12:45

Love Kevin! He is completely adorable.

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 20:14:10

The only exciting bit was at the beginning - Patrick. Natalie was lovely but just as expected

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sat 02-Nov-13 20:14:42

Top 3 (for me):
Natalie
Patrick
Ashley

FushandChups Sat 02-Nov-13 20:15:37

Having just watched the round up - Patrick was my favourite smile

NomDeOrdinateur Sat 02-Nov-13 20:15:45

Same, FushandChups... sad

Horsemad Sat 02-Nov-13 20:18:39

Patrick
Abbey
Ashley

didn't see Natalie.

DaveBussell Sat 02-Nov-13 20:26:22

Rachel and Mark in the dance off?

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 20:26:52

Dave really has to go tomorrow, and Patrick should not be in the bottom 2 again .

digerd Sat 02-Nov-13 20:39:49

Rachel, Fiona and Sophie were all on a par tonight for me.
Mark at least made a serious effort and got into character.
Ashley and Patrick the best men - Ben the biggest and strongest .
Natalie in a league of her own. Abbey 2nd by several lengths.
Susanna not much further to go.

Bottom 2 tomorrow, anyone's guess.

Quite a mixed night I thought, and several couples were over marked.

I think Kevin From Grimsby is lovely, but so I am told, the reason he went on to the West End stage is because he wasn't good enough to progress from Juniors to full-blown adult professional in the Ballroom/Latin scene.

pinkteddy Sat 02-Nov-13 21:28:30

Time to go for Dave and Karen tonight hopefully. Think Mark and Iveta could be in dance off too. Sophie and Brendan also in danger zone - really hope they're not in dance off. Loved Susanna tonight and Ashley.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sat 02-Nov-13 23:32:13

He was doing well with one partner, if you look here then they split, and you can see he took a big gap before competing with his last partner, and then they only did two competitions, neither look particularly big ones. But that was all amateur, it doesn't look as if he's ever competed as a professional.

BeyonceCastle Sun 03-Nov-13 01:20:46

Well, just caught up on you tube and wasn't that keen on any of them tonight tbh.
Originally - i.e. week one, my favourites were Rachel Patrick and Mark.

Now I am probably rooting for Fiona due to her tolerance of ohChristAntonNotYourCockAgain and Mark due to iveta but neither will make it to the end stages sad Ashley and Ola have won me over. Which dancer has been 'bullying' Ola, anyone here know?

Abbey - i am still not seeing it
Natalie - dancebot
Sophie - just not into it, peaked too soon
Susanna - too into it
Patrick - competitive
Ben - still overmarked
Dave - less said the better

Favourite dance has been Sophie's charleston, would have got 10s if later in series
I also liked Janette's tango choreo if not Julien's execution until I realised that the thrones etc had all been nicked from Mark Ballas' paso
in DWTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuRTBee74Cg

am loving DWTS more atm - Derek Hough's charleston with Amber Riley was excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NbELDGw8MM

whereas i haven't fallen for the routines in strictly this season
Monkseal was right about Robin aspiring to Mandy Moore's SYTYCD table duel, that routine was also nabbed for the uk version so I guess there is a lot of crossover.

But I was really underwhelmed with music choices tonight.
The dancers among you - are the following not doable due to tempo/what dance could you choreo the following for?

Don't fear the reaper
Monster (The Automatic)
Old devil called love
People are strange
Werewolves of London - was used in DWTS for a cha cha cha
She wolf
Moon over Bourbon Street (Sting)
Vampires and wolves (Wombats)
Heads will roll (yeah yeah yeahs)
Black cat (Janet Jackson)

I know that poor Dave Arch cannot learn 10 new songs each week but the recycling is astounding.
www.ultimatestrictly.com/songs/

I am too heavily invested in this aren't I? blush

BeyonceCastle Sun 03-Nov-13 01:26:34

Yes yes i am - tis Karen Hauer who has allegedly been telling Ola she can't dance and James has tweeted that Karen came from nahthing.
wink

MintyChops Sun 03-Nov-13 07:26:37

Oh why did Iveta have to do the phone-hand thing? Now they will definitely be in the dance off. Is anyone else sick of Patrick's gurning? Would be quite happy if he left but really and truly the whole Dave thing has gone far enough. It's not even remotely funny and was it just me or did a lot of the dances feel a little flat? As though they over-hyped Halloween week then it just wasn't possible for mere mortals to live up to it....

Abby was great, I am so surprised by her, hope she does really well (maybe wins???)

Poor SEB, she started so well and has sort of fallen apart. If she gets through I hope she gets back to ballroom, she needs a confidence boost and doing something she is better suited to would be such a help.

GO HOME DAVE, PLEASE STOP VOTING FOR HIM PEOPLE, THE JOKE IS OVER/WAS NEVER FUNNY.

ProphetOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 09:17:49

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Sparklingbrook Sun 03-Nov-13 09:25:54

Why can I not warm to Natalie? I don't watch Corrie, but I'm not feeling it.

waikikamookau Sun 03-Nov-13 09:26:14

totally agree aobut patrick's gurning.
gets on my nerves.

waikikamookau Sun 03-Nov-13 09:26:45

natalie is boring she is so good. and abbey clancie.

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 09:35:28

Abbey is growing on me a bit - I hated her at the start. I'm very fond of Susannah as well, and I like Sophie, but I think she might be in trouble tonight as it wasn't great.

I can't warm to Natalie either, Sparkling, and I feel really guilty about it because she is definitely the best. Though I can't warm to Patrick either - I think his height makes him look awkward and he sort of tries too hard.

I much prefer Mark to Dave. He is really trying to dance, Dave is still trying to do comedy.

I rather like looking at Ben, but even I can see how overmarked he was. I he carries on with the ever-more-desperate shirtless look I think he may go sooner rather than later.

waikikamookau Sun 03-Nov-13 09:40:20

i like mark and Ben. and somehow Susanna is too keen, but, good for her. didnt see the whole thing though <<shopping and cooking sad >>

annaje Sun 03-Nov-13 10:33:09

I can't warm to Natalie either - probably because she has the training, so a little unfair to me! I like Susanna, she is the only other girl who can pull off the latin and ballroom. Abby, is good, Sophie I really like but she can't do the latin, she just has such a cool personality it just doesn't work. I personally didn't liked Natalie's Viennese - wasn't twirly enough

Impomea Sun 03-Nov-13 10:53:49

Surely Dave must go -he ain't funny and looked like a demented Ken Dodd last night !grin

Natalie looked beautiful and was the best but I don't think she will win-if you had seen her in Corrie you would def. not warm to her !

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 03-Nov-13 11:27:57

I can't warm to Natalie either, I don't know why. She seems very efficient or something, like she's just ticking every dance off a list on the way to the final!

Snowstorm Sun 03-Nov-13 12:15:48

I thought lots of them were over-marked this week - don't know whether it's because it was a themed week (I hate all those 'hilarious video's too - I want to see the training) or because the judges were trying to encourage them all along ... apart from Dave, who they obviously want to leave now.

I love watching Kevin during the ballroom dances but (and I know nothing about dancing so this is just my opinion) not so much during the Latin dances. It seems to me that he's just SO fast and frantic during the Latin dances that it's too much! If he toned it down a bit then he'd match his partner's pace a bit more (and you can't expect his partner to keep up because that's just not going to happen at that speed) and they'd look more of a team.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 03-Nov-13 12:41:48

BeyonceCastle they are frothing on DS about Ola and Karen.

I'm not surprised there are some frayed tempers and clashes though. Mind you not as bad as this case- they think the reason her visa wasn't granted was another couple told the Home Office she had been working illegally!

Chipstick10 Sun 03-Nov-13 12:48:16

I can't warm to Natalie either.
Susanna and her over the top hip wiggle walking down the stairs, and the almost bonnie Langford gushing is beyond irritating
Please please please stop voting for dave, he makes me feel nauseated. He thinks he's the people's champion and its revolting
Don't get ashley or Patrick.
If I had to choose anyone it would be abbey.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 03-Nov-13 15:06:23

Len did make quite a big thing about Abbey's lack of dance training in his feedback - presumably that was aimed at Natalie.

FushandChups Sun 03-Nov-13 16:13:20

Polkadots - that link makes for interesting reading although am slightly confused way they are considered a British couple when she is clearly Russian (the cause of all the hoo-haa in the first place) If she has a familial connection, surely she wouldn't need a visa..?

Sounds daft though and like someone is out to get them!

Dance isn't like sporting teams, you can compete for whichever country you like! I think as long as you train in that country you are considered to compete for the,

For example Joanna Leunis is Belgian by birth but represented Poland until 2011 and now represents the UK!

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:25:08

Anybody watching the results? The opening dance is... Odd...

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:25:50

So who do we think will be in the dance off tonight?

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:26:51

Dave and (sadly, mostly due to bizarre choreography and an awful costume) possibly SEB...

Definitely an odd opener. I do wish they would go back to showcasing specific dances rather than all the cabaret stuff.

Dance-off could be just about anyone this week, I think only the top 4 on the leaderboard are guaranteed to be safe.

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:27:57

I think Dave will be in the dance off, maybe with Rachel or Fiona.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:28:25

I've got a horrible feeling that people are still voting for Dreadful Dave...

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:28:56

Both Tess and Claudia look nice tonight - best outfits both of them have worn in weeks IMO!

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 03-Nov-13 19:29:37

Terrible, terrible opening dance!

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:29:47

Oh god I hope not Jane, it's definitely Dave's torn to go this week.

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:30:07

Turn not torn!

MrsBramleyApple Sun 03-Nov-13 19:31:01

I think my mum might spontaneously combust if Dave doesn't go tonight!!

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 03-Nov-13 19:31:58

I reckon Patrick and SEB might be in the dance off tonight

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 03-Nov-13 19:32:44

Interesting reflection of the underneath of Tess's chin there....!

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:32:48

Yay for Patrick! smile

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 03-Nov-13 19:33:28

Ha! Shows what I know with my predictions grin

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:33:28

(And yay for SEB, I really like her even if she does struggle with the latin stuff...)

shock

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:34:25

Gosh, that was a surprise...

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:34:41

I can't believe that shock

MrsBramleyApple Sun 03-Nov-13 19:34:41

Ben is through!!!!!!!! grin

coffeeinbed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:34:53

Really?
I'm they will be through though.

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:35:07

This is mad

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 03-Nov-13 19:35:10

I'm shocked!

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:35:26

Abbey! That's a surprise shock
I'm not that fond of her - but she can dance!

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:23

SEB seems really nice.

Horsemad Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:25

Suprised at Abbey being in the dance off. shock

brainwashed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:25

Obviously not that popular but sure to get saved by the judges

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:27

Abbey shock

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:31

I am glad for Sophie. I'm not surprised Patrick is through, but Fiona and Anton could go.

Katz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:34

Abby was shocked. Guessing no public support

I think the problem was that so many of them were tied on the same score that the audience vote really makes a difference this week.

brainwashed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:58

So glad Ben is through though!!

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:37:23

I gather Abbey must have got the least votes out of anyone to end up in the dance off? She was second to top of the leader board wasn't she?

Katz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:38:03

I don't like Natalie. Not warmed to her at all.

dementedma Sun 03-Nov-13 19:38:04

Abbey is really, really irritating. Glad she is on the dance off but she will beat either Dave or Mark - whichever she is paired against

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:38:15

The gossip probably isn't helping her.

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:38:16

That could be that for Susannah. Or mark. I want it to be Dave

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:38:33

Loving the spotty tights! grin

Katz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:39:09

So madness still can't sing

She was joint second with Patrick and Susanna, so unless Susanna is also in the bottom 2 then yes Abi must have come bottom in the audience vote.

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:39:37

Abbey will be safe no matter who she's up against... Unless it's Natalie!

Think it's more likely to be Dave though. I hope so anyway!

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:39:46

Franked, that's what I think.

They really have to stop giving everyone the same score. Len's the worst - he rarely gives anything other than bloody 7

brainwashed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:40:04

Non..gossip?

thistlelicker Sun 03-Nov-13 19:40:08

Can't warm to Abby or Natalie! Abby too vein! Natalie appears
Cocky and arrogant!

MrsBramleyApple Sun 03-Nov-13 19:40:20

Very disappointed with Madness!!

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:41:42

A sparkly crutch! Go, Craig...

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:41:47

Oops, Frankel, sorry

Gossip? Care to elaborate?
Abbey will survive I'm sure. Overall I have no idea who will win.

Katz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:46:11

Think it'll be Dave

Yup, Abbey has to have been bottom with the audience vote. It's either going to be Rachel or Dave with her.

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:05

Poor rachel

I fear for pasha sad

brainwashed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:30

Oh no Dave still in !!

coffeeinbed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:32

No!
Dave's through.

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:37

shockshockshockshockshock

Dave through?!

Poor Rachel hmm

sad

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:40

It's mentioned up-thread (or in one of the previous SCD threads), I think. I won't repeat it because it's just groundless speculation and there's no reason at all to believe it's true, but I think it's a shame as it can't be helpful.

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:42

Ffs.

This is ridiculous.

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:51

Ah, jaysus. Seriously, people.

Rachel's going home, no doubt about it.

Katz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:48:11

Dave must be very popular with the public. Getting the highest public vote

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 03-Nov-13 19:48:16

That is appalling.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:48:17

I'm sure she'll survive - she's a great dancer, and she comes across really well on this. I liked her on ANTM as well.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:48:21

Poor Rachel - I doubt she can survive sad

brainwashed Sun 03-Nov-13 19:48:37

Mind you I don't really rate Rachel...but when will we get rid of Dave?

Impomea Sun 03-Nov-13 19:48:46

Oh what a shame shock

Sparklingbrook Sun 03-Nov-13 19:49:06

This is pants.

Its not Dave' s fault hough is it, he does his job its the public that vote for hime.
Lests not be nasty to Dave he is a sweetie (who can't dance)

dementedma Sun 03-Nov-13 19:49:30

Jeez. Dave needs to get out.
Rachel and Abbey both way better than Dave

Horsemad Sun 03-Nov-13 19:50:11

Bye bye Rachel. Judges are bound to vote for Abbey & to be fair, she is the better dancer of the two.

LeBearPolar Sun 03-Nov-13 19:50:53

Who is voting for Dave? It's getting ridiculous now.

No more Pasha sad

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 03-Nov-13 19:50:59

MrsBramleyApple is your mum burning with indignation?

MrsTomHardy Sun 03-Nov-13 19:51:05

Rachel will be going home

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:51:29

Dave seems like a lovely bloke, but he's totally rubbish at dancing hmm

I don't understand why Dave is getting so many votes though, nice guy or not. His dances aren't good, nor good comedy.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:51:34

I'm amazed that Dave is still safe - I liked him to begin with, but he looks totally out of place now IMO.

Oh poor Abbey, that nearly made me cry! She's done so well, and she clearly loves this sad. I'm amazed she hasn't had public support this week - it was a great performance.

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:51:56

If the rumours about Abbie aren't true, I feel very sorry for her.

Actually, I feel sorry for her either way sad

Katz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:52:06

the public like an underdog

It was probably the old "she scored highly enough to not need my vote" syndrome.

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 19:52:35

Wow, hope this is a one-off in the dance-off for Abbey. Feel sorry for Rachel but I really don't need to see any more of her dancing. Can't blame Dave if people are voting for the comedy underdog since that's what he was brought in to do.

MrsBramleyApple Sun 03-Nov-13 19:53:49

HellesBelles Mum has said quite correctly that Dave going through is making a mockery of the judges!!!

LeBearPolar Sun 03-Nov-13 19:54:06

What are the rumours about Abbey?

Maryz Sun 03-Nov-13 19:54:52

Abbey is better tan Mark, Dave, Ben, susannah, and Fiona.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 19:55:29

She did brilliantly in the dance-off - I actually really want her to win now, she's great to watch and she clearly cares so much about this. <Resolves to vote next week>

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:55:40

Mark is the comedy underdog IMO, not Dave.

The beeb are more than happy to have people like Dave evry year
John Sargeant
Anne Widdecombe
Chris Parker (who got to the final)
it happens every year.

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 03-Nov-13 19:56:21

Yes, what are the rumours??

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 19:56:31

Kimberley went into the dance-off about this time in the last series and it actually did a lot for her popularity from then on.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 19:58:12

She's very gracious <sniff>

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:58:27

Oh I LOVED Kimberley! I was so angry when she was in the dance off.

This will be the first time Pacha hasn't made the final, won't it?

sob...Pascha...sad

elcranko Sun 03-Nov-13 19:58:51

Bruce is off next week? Hooray! grin

Sparklingbrook Sun 03-Nov-13 19:59:06

Yay did they say Bruce is off next week? grin

On a brighter note no Bruce next week smile

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 03-Nov-13 19:59:10

Will somebody tell us what are the rumours??

HellesBellesThinksSometimes Sun 03-Nov-13 20:02:21

Presumably the rumours are about the fact that two extremely attractive people are dancing together and we all know what that must mean! Pathetic.

I very much doubt that there would be so many comments about their "chemistry" if that were the case because she is married and peolle would feel awkward drawing attention to an affair. In front of them anyway.

I thought abbey danced that better the first time.

Just been reading the stories about the alleged Karen v Ola falling out. If they are true Karen has fallen a great deal in my estimation. Ola is a vastly superior dancer to Karen, you only need to look at their competition records to see that.

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 20:03:22

I couldn't give a crap about any Abbey rumours, I think she's great.

elcranko - I think Mark is a lot more serious about it all than Dave so not really the comedy underdog - he's more like the Lisa Riley figure, someone who has a lot of potential but is having to battle the problem of their weight. I really loved watching Lisa last series but in the end even she admitted that her weight was putting too much of a limitation on her ability to compete.

LeBearPolar Sun 03-Nov-13 20:03:41

I love Pasha sad. DS is devastated too. But I didn't want Abbey and Aljaz to go out either - Dave should have gone!

To be fair, I think Dave was just as appalled by the result as we are.

And what are the rumours?

<patient>

colleysmill Sun 03-Nov-13 20:04:04

Dh has just said much the same thing hobnob.

every week they say "vote for your favourite" which isn't necessarily the same as "vote for the best dancer"

digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 20:04:17

I didn't think Dave was even nice, but he looked shocked and think he apologised to Abbey - he did not look happy.
Poor Rachel and Pasha. I thought they may be in the bottom 2 but with Dave.

Impomea Sun 03-Nov-13 20:05:33

grin brilliant name DaveBussell !

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 20:07:03

wink Impomea

2rebecca Sun 03-Nov-13 20:09:30

I hate it when people hint at rumours and then won't say what the rumour is, it's very childish "I have secret and I'm not telling you ner" either spill the beans or keep it to yourself.
I've no idea what Abbey or Rachel are actually famous for so wouldn't have been bothered if either of them went.
I only support celebrities I've heard of which admittedly is only about 4 of this lot. No idea what the fat bloke is famous for. Dave, Sophie and Fiona are the ones left I know, although I rarely vote anyway.
If the judges wanted a real dance competition they should only let the public vote count for 10% and vary their marks more. The comedy acts rarely make it beyond the final 4 or 5, and whether you're eliminated 3rd or 7th doesn't really matter much.

digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 20:12:12

DaveB
Agree about Mark. I think the viewers didn't vote for Abbey as thought she was safe, however, who are voting for Dave?confused

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 20:15:59

digerd - same people who voted for John Sarge and Widdy etc as Hobnobs says. They're not too bothered about all the serious dance stuff, just enjoy the show overall which is fair enuff really. I doubt he'll last much longer.

JaneEyresHeir Sun 03-Nov-13 20:21:30

Ann Widdecombe wasn't voted out until week 10...
<runs away>

John Sargent didn't get voted out - he walked.

digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 20:31:41

Widdes was with Anton, though, much beloved by us maturer ladies grin. I don't find Dave funny or entertaining, but enjoy Mark's performances as he seems to be genuinely trying and taking it seriously. He also has shown some style and feeling.

NothingMoreScaryThanAHairy Sun 03-Nov-13 20:35:42

wow that was a shock- now have a devastated dd2 (6) who's just had her hair cut short and told everyone she looks like Rachel from strictly grin.

FushandChups Sun 03-Nov-13 20:40:48

2rebecca - i thought the rumours were around illegal substances that some people put up their nose.. Could be wrong and don't believe it of Abby anyway!! (hope i don't get deleted...)

Anyways - Sundays aren't great for me so missed the show but was very surprised by the bottom two, Abby in particular. The right person stayed and tbf, despite the judges comments, i didn't think Rachel had really come back that much..

However, gutted Dave is still in.. he seems ok and i know its not his fault (and they're all grown ups who's lives and careers are probably not going to get fucked up by being voted off) but he needs to go home next week!

I'm also sad about the whole 'Karen v Ola' stuff.. I like them both and not knowing anything about their actual dance careers, think Karen is a bit out of order (especially as Ola has actually won the show!) i know Karen got quite far with ole Nicky Westlife but probably more about him being in Westlife than her amazing choreography. Having said that, the Chris & Ola dance which always sticks in everyone's mind is the Charleston and, correct me if I'm wrong, but Ola didn't choreograph that - the Charleston was still so new they had other pro's to help??

ProphetOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 20:43:15

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digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 20:43:39

I don't think Susanna is cheesy - although she was smiling with more twinkle than her feet were. Bonnie Lanfgord was a trained dancer and her smile was stage cheesy. Anybody remember her on TV as a child in Just William, was it called? She had long abundant ringlets. Or are you all far too young < or I'm far too old>grin

coffeeinbed Sun 03-Nov-13 20:46:08

I don't think winning the show means the professional dancer is necessarily better.
They just had better luck in the draw.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 20:48:52

2rebecca: I was referring to a couple of petty, trivial, gossipy articles which have been published in the mainstream press - very mild and a total non-story. They're probably online, but I'm not going to link to them because I don't agree with publishing shit-stirring rumours about people. I only mentioned them to say it would be a shame if she was losing votes as a result of tabloid gossip, but I think that the "public assumed she was safe" explanation probably counts for a lot more anyway. So pleased she got through to next week, hopefully people will bother to vote for her next time! smile

I should clarify, when I said "look at their competition results" I meant professional dance competition results, rather than SCD.

digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 20:52:44

I think this year has the least famous celebs in it . I didn't know any of them.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 20:59:14

Coffeeinbed - do the trained dancers really do all of the choreography themselves? If so, I'd imagine that having a partner who is especially good at strategic choreography (to make the most of strengths and hide weaknesses) would be a huge advantage for some of the celebs.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:00:25

Digerd - you must know SEB, surely?! (Although, to be fair, I only knew SEB, Dave and Susanna.)

The pros generally do their own choreography for the standard 10 dances (waltz, foxtrot, quickstep, tango, Viennese waltz, Cha Cha Cha, rumba, samba, jive and Paso Doble) plus American Smooth, but they have help for salsa, charleston and Argentine Tango and any other dances that get thrown in because they won't have trained in them to a high enough standard, if at all.

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 21:11:31

I still have no idea who Rachel is/was.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:14:12

That's interesting, thanks Frankelln smile. In that case, surely the pro partner's choreography skills make a huge difference to the outcome? Some of them seem to be really good at showing their celeb partners off to their best advantage (although, admittedly, it's hard to compare since the celebs all have different aptitudes).

It also explains why some of the pros have looked... less than comfortable... doing the Charleston! grin

I'm a Strictly newbie, and had no idea that the jive was a standard dance - it looks so different from the others! It must be very difficult to get right - the only one I've enjoyed so far is Ashley's.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:14:55

Dave - isn't she Carol Vorderman's replacement on Countdown?

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:17:02

Another random Strictly question: should I start watching It Takes Two, or is it just like the "filler" bits on the Saturday night show? I'd really like to learn more about the week's dances, rather than just seeing footage of the celebs' families and random "field trips"! Also, DH's patience may be tested to the limit if he has to hear the Strictly theme 3 times per week...

coffeeinbed Sun 03-Nov-13 21:17:48

I have no idea!
But I can see some of them were less than chuffed with their celeb partners!
Whatever their choreographic abilities being paired with say Vanessa Feltz or Dave is severely limiting their chances of winning.

digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 21:18:31

Don't watch much telly these days since getting little dog and being on mumsnet toomuch--grin

AmIthatHot Sun 03-Nov-13 21:22:02

Good news - no Forsyth next week

Bad news - no Pash. My heart is broken sad

digerd Sun 03-Nov-13 21:23:20

When Ian is on he is very good at explaining what is good and bad and how it should be. Can't remember which day he is on ITT.

ITT is much more informative these days, they get Karen Hardy (who won Strictly with Mark Ramprakash and should have taken over from Arlene as the female judge IMHO) to dissect the choreography from the previous Saturday on Tuesday nights and on Wednesdays Ian Waite comes in to go over the training footage and point out good/bad points.

Jive is very much a standard Latin dance, it's the one I struggle with the most!

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 03-Nov-13 21:24:12

I think you can tell which dancers are clever choreographers and coaches (eg Ola,, Kristina, Brendan, Natalie...). Being a great professional dancer doesn't automatically equal being able to turn someone else into a dancer and cover up their weaknesses in a clever way.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:27:11

Oh yes, the celebs definitely contribute the most to the "un-level playing field" - I was really impressed by some of the pro dancers' ability to keep their game faces on when they found out who they'd be partnered with, back in Week 1! grin

Digerd - Dogs are much more fun than TV, so you are exonerated wink. Which breed do you have, if you don't mind me asking? I'd love one, but haven't come across a small breed that would suit us yet...

IndiansOnTheRailroad Sun 03-Nov-13 21:30:46

The best (cleverest) choreographer by a mile is Artem. He has found the knack of completely pushing all Craig and Bruno's buttons (also Aleesha and now Darcy) thus ensuring v high marks, while infuriating Len (thus ensuring an unfair low mark which garners sympathy votes) and also generally entrancing the viewers and studio audiences too (so, standing ovations, lots of votes etc).

I happen to like his choreography the best too, but that's a matter of taste. But the sheer cleverness of him - that's precision engineering that is.

IndiansOnTheRailroad Sun 03-Nov-13 21:32:08

Brendan on the other hand is a terrible choreo - his dances work for a certain type of dancer and that's it. He doesn't seem to have much variation in his repertoire. And everything is designed to show off how great he is.

I really miss Vincent and Flavia. sad

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 21:33:32

Thanks Nom - haven't watched countdown for years

Aliona was the worst choreographer of the lot, I recall Len having a go at her for one of her routines for Rav Wilding because it was all about her. She got better as time went on, but quite often threw a "look at what I can do" into her routines.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:36:39

Indians - I agree completely, based on this series. I love the fact that his dances are consistently interesting but not as repetitive and predictable as some of the others, but I don't know how much of that is due to the fact that he has a much more able partner (I haven't seen any of the previous series).

Brendan and Sophie's dances do very little for me, which is a shame as I really like SEB and I loved their Charleston. The foxtrot they did was lovely as well, to be fair...

awaynboilyurheid Sun 03-Nov-13 21:37:09

Poor Rachel at last she did a good dance only to go out she really loved it and Pascha always seems such a nice man so felt very sorry for them, liked the comedy element of Dave at the start but as he's playing it straight now the dancing doesn't work Anton always keeps the comedy element in when he knows they are crap dancers so its entertaining somehow, don't know why but Susannah annoys me its irrational as I like kevin he is a really good dancer so want him to do well but Susannah comes over as very pushy uber confident kind of person . another vote for why don't they just explain the dances not rubbish haunted house visits etc its awful. Oh andNom going off piste for a moment , Lhaso Apso female dogs are lovely ! don't cast hair and can walk them for miles or shorter walks ours has the best nature ever.

FushandChups Sun 03-Nov-13 21:41:33

Coffee and Frankel - i didn't mean because Ola has won she was necessarily better but just that Karen was a bit daft to say what she did - which was Ola should be at the back as she's a crap dancer (is that right?) when she's actually really popular.

I never manage to convey what i mean and anyway, Strictly is the be all and end all, isn't it grin

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 21:47:44

Thanks, Awaynboilyurheid - I just googled Lhaso Apso and they're beautiful! I may have to start working on DH... grin Are they reasonably bright and trainable, in your experience? I only have experience of labs and GSD crosses at present, and I'd like something similarly intelligent. I love the idea of a Scottie, but I think working dogs need more stimulation than I can guarantee for an entire decade...

thistlelicker Sun 03-Nov-13 21:54:16

I've got a Lhasa! I've had him since he was 8 weeks old. He is lovely :-)

awaynboilyurheid Sun 03-Nov-13 21:57:48

Em... would like to say mine is but she's a bit of a softie and not the brightest ! but all dogs like her as they see she is not a threat to anyone ! but know a few other Lhaso's and they seem more intelligent and trainable they can be stubborn we have to walk the same route in the park or she just stops ! but for sheer good naturedness (sorry not a real word) she is great and I'm not a dog lover really .
indians is right Artem is the best choreographer on SCD at the moment
and I love when he lets the celebrity take the limelight but its all down to him at times , Kristina is clever too in that she does all the hard work to make you think her celeb is good but the rugby man is not great no matter how she throws herself around him , she's like Anton though they never give her a good partner which is a shame.

mrsjay Sun 03-Nov-13 21:57:52

I really miss Vincent and Flavia.

so do I love his hips and her hair I always liked them , I do love artem though i would love to lick him see him live he does a lot of show dancing though ,

I am loving keven from grimsby and susanna and would like them to win , shame Rachel went though surprised the bottom 2, I just realised I know who abby clancy is but i am not sure what she does confused

did you all hear about the Karen (dancer) and Ola spat or should I read the thread

mrsjay Sun 03-Nov-13 21:58:34

offee and Frankel - i didn't mean because Ola has won she was necessarily better but just that Karen was a bit daft to say what she did - which was Ola should be at the back as she's a crap dancer (is that right?) when she's actually really popular.

well looks likei should have read the thread grin

awaynboilyurheid Sun 03-Nov-13 22:00:37

I miss Vincent and my Flavia too

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 22:01:41

Aww she sounds adorable, Away!

Thistle and Away: Based on what you've said, I'm going to research them for a bit and then chat to DH - do you mind if I PM you for further info in due course, please?

Kristina is amazing, she's my favourite of the female pros smile.

mrsjay Sun 03-Nov-13 22:01:58

it just doesn't seem the same without them for some reason

mrsjay Sun 03-Nov-13 22:02:51

has krisitna lost weight or something her boobs dont seem to be so urm ample these days

Impomea Sun 03-Nov-13 22:02:54

I miss Vincent and Flavia too.He was hilarious and the look on his face when he got Edwina Currie !

mrsjay Sun 03-Nov-13 22:04:06

Alijax (sp) creeps me out a little bit and i am unsure why and tonight he didnt seem to have a belly button I was unnerved grin

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 22:05:08

No idea, Mrsjay - might be a better fitting bra, though. I definitely looked less "ample" when I went up a couple of cup sizes, much to DH's disappointment...

awaynboilyurheid Sun 03-Nov-13 22:05:55

Nom yes no problem it's a big decision so you are right to look at all options.

DaveBussell Sun 03-Nov-13 22:06:42

I miss Vincent, he really seemed to communicate the spirit of dance. I remember Bruno describing one of vincent and dani's dances as being 'full of joy' and that was absolutely spot on.

mrsjay Sun 03-Nov-13 22:06:46

maybe they always astounded me they managed to stay put grin maybe a better fitting costume

thistlelicker Sun 03-Nov-13 22:13:42

Course :-)

I can't wait
For Natalie Lowe to be back, on it takes two she's teaching a bride and groom their wedding dance !

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 03-Nov-13 22:14:22

Thank you, Away!

Mrsjay - I've marveled at the apparent... supportiveness... of the female dancers' seemingly flimsy costumes too, actually! (Mostly because there doesn't seem to be anything similar for belly dance when I search online...) Kristina does have an amazing figure envy.

IndiansOnTheRailroad Sun 03-Nov-13 22:21:28

I took my DDs to see Midnight Tango earlier this year - it was excellent. We will definitely go and see their next show. Fabulous they were. When they announced they weren't going to be in Strictly this year they did say they hoped to be back in the future - hopefully they will be. Basically, as long as Craig and Bruno stay there;s a top show and any other element can change - but I do miss V&F.

ProphetOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 22:43:17

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Plus3 Sun 03-Nov-13 23:04:43

I completely agree about Artem's choreography - a-maze-ing!!!
My DD will be so sad that Rachel & Pasha went this evening, but she does laugh at with Dave...smile

ProphetOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 23:20:59

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 04-Nov-13 00:54:40

Nom, the dress I have makes my bust look amazing too- it's because they're not my actual boobs grin It's hard cups, so as long as your bust fits in them and doesn't overspill it's going to look good.

I don't really like Artem's choreography actually. It's clever, but I think it can be quite aggressive-looking, which isn't my favourite.

And that's right about the competing partners, you get to choose the nationality. Kevin's sister dances for Italy.

digerd Mon 04-Nov-13 06:43:09

Silicone in-plants don't move, you know.wink
Flavia's are natural and petite.
Natalie's are too big and spoil her elegant, balletic style.
They could be natural thoughhmm

braveandcrazy Mon 04-Nov-13 07:11:42

Pretty much every year, not great but improving dancers leave on their best dance, while the comedy element stays in? Does anyone know which week Kimberley was in the dance off last year, I reckon it was about this time? I do agree that the show is about entertainment but if Mark leaves before Dave I will be very cross!

I had a theory that the story about Karen was a way to stop votes for Dave, but if so it obviously didn't work. I'd be very surprised if the lovely Kevin from Grimsby is engaged to a bully. His popularity will be huge after this! I thought she came across very well with Dave very well at the beginning of the series, but her simpering and constant head on the shoulder in ITT irritates me now.

Minimammoth Mon 04-Nov-13 08:04:08

Personally I think the show is a bit flat this year. Dave is boring. I wish that one of the older contestants could go further though, c'mon Fiona.

CeliaFate Mon 04-Nov-13 08:15:53

The story about Karen and Ola was true - Ola tweeted last night that she's not leaving the show and that Karen apologised for her outburst, so please stop sending her nasty tweets!

I follow them all on Twitter I have no life and Karen's tweet was "Huge congrats to all the dancers left in the competition". Not a word about Rachel and Pasha. I don't like her, I think she's manipulative and spiteful. Karen and Kevin are engaged, which I just can't fathom. They don't seem alike at all.

mrsjay Mon 04-Nov-13 08:43:58

Karen and Kevin are engaged WHAT confused they dont seem to go together

ppeatfruit Mon 04-Nov-13 10:54:39

digerd I remember Bonnie Langford as Violet Elizabeth !!!! she was brilliant grin i wasn't into SCD when she was on it but she must've been good; a stage school kid. ( i read the VEB Just William story to our 6yr old GD to get her 'into' the books and she LOVED it) grin.But I digress;

The only time that Dave has looked right (not danced right though grin) has been as his Halloween character Beetlejuice!!! WTF is he doing still in it who TF is voting for him ??? And giving him more marks than poor Abbie? who is a good dancer? i admit that Rachel isn't much cop but she can at least pick up her feet and has some expression in her arms!!

Do they make SCD for 4 year olds? Those ridiculous VTs made me want to cut my throat (adverts would be better and I HATE adverts shock).
Who mentioned the weekday STT2? They are better but not once a week they are EVERY DAY ffs DH said "Is strictly on every day?"

ppeatfruit Mon 04-Nov-13 10:57:44

Oh and IMO Tess looked sooo much better with her halloween red lippy on she should wear it every day it suited her. Claud looked nice too yesterday though she needs red lippy as well.

IndiansOnTheRailroad Mon 04-Nov-13 10:58:40

Bonnie Langford hasn't been on strictly. She did do dancing on ice though.

digerd Tue 05-Nov-13 07:52:55

ppeat
ITT on BBC2 - It Takes Two- is daily at 6.30-7pm. I try to remember to watch it as usually getting dinner ready. It is informative when the ballroom experts are on - Ian and Karen Hardy.
Craig was on yesterday and repeated that Natalie is a gorgeous dancer, but did not give her a ten as she wobbled a couple of times. As she is so skilled he is very critical of her dancing.
They showed a repeat of her lovely <balletic> head, body and arm movements in the V.Waltz.
Bonnie L did appear in dancing on ice, she was brilliant in the lifts, but her solo skating was weak. She was still so tiny and flexible.

ppeatfruit Tue 05-Nov-13 08:13:52

Yes I watch it too digerd CRH was quite human and I totally agree he should be picky when it comes to trained celebs like Natalie in fact the other judges would do well to copy him!

Fiderer Tue 05-Nov-13 08:28:47

I really like Craig on ITT, he has time to explain his reasoning and he seems to genuinely love being a judge. Him once a week, Karen on Tuesday, Ian on Weds (preferably without a daft costume like last week's pumpkin) make it worth watching.

Though they still put in silly fillers. Len used to do his Lens thing on ITT as well, not on the results show. I increasingly get the impression he's just going through the motions.

ppeatfruit Tue 05-Nov-13 09:12:17

I agree Fiderer I'm not sure why a programme that SHOULD appeal to everyone is being aimed at the idiots ;DCs are quite capable of watching intelligently aren't they? who can we talk to??

mrsjay Tue 05-Nov-13 09:20:12

just seen on lorraine the lovely vincent is going to be sashaying into the jungle grin

CeliaFate Tue 05-Nov-13 09:24:11

Oh no! Vincent gave up Strictly for I'm a Celebrity? What a come down.

mrsjay Tue 05-Nov-13 09:28:30

no he gave up strictly for his and flavias stage show I think he is on celeb to advertise it more than likely

IndiansOnTheRailroad Tue 05-Nov-13 10:28:32

When they announced they weren't going to be in it this year they cited 3 reasons - his new baby, which was due in the early weeks, her wedding, and their stage show. I'm a celeb presumably fits in with all his various commitments and it pays, so why not, I suppose. I have a friend who's done it. He doesn't regret it, although it was a really tough experience.

mrsjay Tue 05-Nov-13 10:30:28

oh new baby and wedding aww didnt know that

tell me who your friend is grin

CeliaFate Tue 05-Nov-13 11:25:54

I didn't know he had a new baby on the way, or that Flavia was getting married. yes, who IS your friend?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Tue 05-Nov-13 11:59:02

Yep, Flavia's getting married to Jimi Mistry. They got engaged in January I think.

I'd like to know too grin

digerd Tue 05-Nov-13 15:17:57

Just came across videos on You Tube of Ben doing the Rumba and Flavia with Louis in the Show Dance Final last year.
Also DWTS with Kellie and Derik Hough.(sp). Sorry can't do links.

Derek Hough trained with Lorna Lee for quite a while I believe, as well as attending Italian Conti. He's a very talented choreographer/dancer. His rumba with Nicole Shirtslinger was lovely, video

Italia Conti

digerd Tue 05-Nov-13 16:49:28

Frankel
Derek is indeed a skilled and talented dancer and choreographer. Nicole has beautiful leg lines and presentation, but again rather balletic in her stepping leg and hip movements, especially in comparison with Joanna Leunis but also other profs.
Wish I could do "links".
Derek and Kellie danced a wonderful contemporary freestyle. < not that contemporary dance is ballroom/latin, but shows Derek's versatility>

mrsjay Tue 05-Nov-13 16:53:17

Yep, Flavia's getting married to Jimi Mistry. They got engaged in January I think.

thats lovely i knew they were together but didnt realise they had got engaged

I agree about Joanna Leunis, I just love her style.

Do you mean the Jazz routine Derek did with Kellie, with the giant glowsticks?

thistlelicker Tue 05-Nov-13 17:16:38

What do they do with all th lovely costumes ?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Tue 05-Nov-13 17:31:23

Sell them thistlelicker, here's Abbey's dress from last week and here's the rest of them. They go back a few series too.

Quite a lot of them get sold, though they keep some and alter/dye them for other dances. I remember my teacher telling me she has seen Rachel Steven's beautiful Foxtrot dress on a teenage girl at a competition a few weeks after Rachel had worn it!

thistlelicker Tue 05-Nov-13 18:01:26

Ohhhhh I'm not surprised they hide prices grin

I think they used to put the prices (and measurements) up, I seem to remember the ballroom dresses being around the £400 mark, though the more blingy were more expensive.

Maryz Tue 05-Nov-13 18:24:26

I like Craig on ITT too. And all the actual dancing footage and the explanations from Karen et al. It has made me think more about the actual dancing and see who actually deserves good marks.

Sadly I've come to the conclusion that Bruce, Darcy and to a lesser extend Len are all marking the "show" not the "dance" - which isn't their job. Their job, I've always thought, was to mark the dance on technical merit, and the public could vote on the showmanship of it all (the costumes, music, that type of thing).

I tape all the ITTs and watch them with a glass of wine on a Friday night. I can whizz through a week's worth in about 45 minutes.

Maryz Tue 05-Nov-13 18:25:19

Who gets the money from those dresses, polka? I thought the profit might go to charity, but it doesn't seem so.

thistlelicker Tue 05-Nov-13 18:36:55

Does anybody reckon abbey is more than pals with her pro??

mrsjay Tue 05-Nov-13 18:44:09

No i dont think so thistle he has the personality of a plank bless him I dont see any chemistry between them

DSI make the dresses for the show, so they get the money. My understanding is that the BBC pays DSI a flat rate contract fee to supply the dresses and what happens to them afterwards is up to DSI.

Maryz Tue 05-Nov-13 18:48:22

I don't think so either thistle. I really don't.

I think some gossip magazines/the DM would like there to be scandal, and if there isn't any they will make it up.

That makes sense Frankel. At least it explains why the Beeb wardrobe department does quite well for SCD, in the main, compared to what they do in shows like The Voice grin

thistlelicker Tue 05-Nov-13 18:50:09

Oh dear, can't help but think Natalie comes across as arrogant who thinks she better than anyone else

mrsjay Tue 05-Nov-13 18:50:59

I do think they like to spice it up with a bit of gossip and she is young and blonde and booby he is handsome hmm and exotic and forrin and opens his shirt
but there really is nothing there imo

CloudOfStarlings Tue 05-Nov-13 20:01:39

I heard some of the dresses also end up on cruise ships for their dancers.

I agree, nothing there with Abbey & Aljaz! She seems smitten with her hubby and little girl. Janette Manrara (pro who was with Julien MacD) has been tweeting madly today about the spread in OK magazine featuring her and Aljaz 'at home' - barfworthy pictures but I think she's pretty keen to make it clear he's hers! She mentioned it several times on ITT too!!

thistle I keep hearing from everyone that they can't warm to Natalie. I have to agree but I honestly think it's cos she's partnered with Artem who is just such a task-master and so serious. My sister & I were saying today that we reckon if she was partnered with Kevin or Robin she would have been much more cheeky/funny/relaxed. They should have given her to Robin I would have loved to see that.

Looks like poor Dave has been getting a real twitter backlash...I just laugh at idiots who say stuff like 'if he had any humility he'd quit the show' or (and this is a genuine quote from a facebook 'friend' of mine) "I'm just so FRICKING ANGRY!! Why don't the people who vote open their eyes and vote for the ones who CAN ACTUALLY DANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - gringrin hahaha. Poor Dave though, he's just trying his best.

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Nov-13 09:44:56

CloudOf did you see STT yesterday? it was interesting hearing Artem defending his choreography against Karen.He explained that he thought more of showing off his partner than the specific 'rules' of one dance against another. I googled SCD and it tried to explain the marking confused also no mention was made of what the judges were looking for. I do tend to agree with that FB quote!!! Dave has slightly improved too grin

The designer said that a lot of different things happen to the costumes including reusing I can't remember them all.

Digerd I can't and won't do links because they leave ones computer open to allsorts grin.

yesbutnobut Wed 06-Nov-13 10:33:15

Very good episode of ITT yesterday I thought. Love hearing Karen's take on the choreography - she's not afraid to disagree with the judges and thought Mark deserved a better score and that Susanna should have got 10s. Also really liked the snippet where they showed you how the dance shoes are made.

I agree with whoever said Natalie is like that because Artem is so serious. He's probably not that much fun to work with judging by his interview comments - nothing wrong with that but it's not a 'fun' approach.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Wed 06-Nov-13 10:48:32

I disagree about Artem being serious! I think he has a lovely dry, wry sense of humour, isn't afraid to have the piss taken out of him (see him dressing up in a cow onesie for the 'Natalie at home watching telly' skit a few weeks ago) and comes across to me as very warm.

On another note, Monkseal's review is up! and I have a stupid question. When she calls Natalie a 'ringer' what does it mean?

Listmaker Wed 06-Nov-13 11:10:14

I love ITT. It has its daft moments but is a lot more informative etc than the live show now they do the silly spoof things instead of actually showing them in training. So you get to know a lot more about the dances and also things like the shoes and the costumes etc. Plus you get to know the celebs and the professionals more.

I agree - don't think there is anything between Abbey and Alijaz. I don't think he's good looking at all - not sure why they all go on about it! And he seems to lack personality! Vincent and Flavia were my favourites but I like Kristina who seems very sweet and caring and Robin who's lovely. Kevin is also coming over very well. Can't put him and Karen together either. She seems very gushy and fake. She was strange with the Westlife chap last year but I thought maybe it was him being a bit arrogant as he never thanked her etc? She seems to get on very well with Dave.

A ringer generally means someone who is a fake, trying to pass themselves off as something they're not. In this case he's implying she's an experienced dancer trying to pass herself off as a novice.

digerd Wed 06-Nov-13 12:53:26

I missed ITT yesterday sad
Frankel
It was the "Super Size Freestyle Final", Bit too gymnastic and not enough dancing for me, but was amazing, nonetheless.

Her Rumba was emotional afterwards as her DH was singing the song - think everybody had a tear or two in their eyes. She was very expressive,

CloudOfStarlings Wed 06-Nov-13 13:20:41

I didn't mean Artem is no fun- he definitely has a sense of humour and clearly a soft side (remembering his emotional VTs with the lovely Kara Tointon). I'm talking about his work ethic - he takes it very seriously. Which is no bad thing, obviously - I'm just saying I think people would have warmed to Natalie more had she been paired with a different personality pro (eg Kevin or Robin)

headlesslady wikipedia definition of ringer-
ringer
Horse racing: An impostor, especially one who misrepresents his or her identity or ability in order to gain an advantage in a competition. In horse racing, when a fast horse was substituted for a slower one that it resembled (a "ring-in"), the term now applies to any athlete entered in a team competition under false pretenses in order to gain a competitive advantage by strengthening the team

Oh also, anyone who needs convincing on why Dave deserves to be in this competition, have you seen this LOVELY letter to him someone wrote on their blog? I'm not a Dave voter by the way, I just hate the way this happens every year that people start to say some celebs don't deserve their place there.
Letter to Dave

CloudOfStarlings Wed 06-Nov-13 13:21:31

Oh, and yes I did see ITT last night.. I do see Artem's point of view but I have to say I fall on Karen/Len's side of the argument... he should stick to the rules really or he could be coming out every week doing a showdance.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Wed 06-Nov-13 13:25:16

Thanks for the ringer education!

I see what you mean, Starlings. I dunno though. They ALL have a serious work ethic and Natalie and Artem's VTs show them having a laugh just like the others do. I am probably biased though as I'm loving her and Artem together, ringer or not!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Wed 06-Nov-13 13:32:15

Yes, I agree. There's no point in giving them a different dance each week if they don't stick to them!

I don't know, you don't want to 'baby' the pros, but maybe saying "your jive needs to contain at least 5 recognisable syllabus steps" might work? Or rules for how many bars out of hold are allowed perhaps.

That's how I know what a ringer is - I work in Horse racing, so it's an everyday term to me grin

Polkadots my teacher always said if she were allowed to write the rules for SCD she'd make sure that one of them was no dancing off syllabus/no figures above Gold for the first few weeks. She said she's more or less stopped watching SCD now as so much of what they do is off syllabus and not representative of what people are actually learning up and down the country.

If any if you have done the ISTD Latin Grade exams, it's my teacher's voice giving the instructions on the exam CD grin

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Nov-13 13:41:45

Aaaah! I liked that letter to Dave thanks cloud. I remember how many of us were not happy about DVO last year because she never said that she 'd trained as a dancer; I haven't heard Natalie say that she's a trained dancer (she certainly doesn't need Artem showing her off to her advantage IMO!!) .

Apparently Abbie has never trained as a dancer which I find hard to believe shock.

thistlelicker Wed 06-Nov-13 13:43:54

Natalie went to dance
School in London !! I believe it's the Italia conti??

ppeatfruit, Natalie has admitted that she danced until about 10 years ago, and her CV says she is "an accomplished" dancer. She has never danced Ballroom before, but has done Latin as well as Jazz, Tap, etc.

thistlelicker Wed 06-Nov-13 13:45:41

I'm also sure her dance teacher was in a program telling how good she was!!

I don't believe u can be that good a dancer if u haven't danced since u was 10, makes me think she carried it on - I remember her in twitter last year giving very precise critique to last years dancers

Snowstorm Wed 06-Nov-13 13:47:28

I like Abbie, although I wish she'd stop flicking and re-arranging her hair so much every time she realises the camera is on her. She's obviously got natural rhythm and a very strong work ethic.

I wonder whether she might have a small advantage over some of the celebrities (Natalie to one side, because you can't really compare her with any of the others) because having been a model, she might not have the personal space issue that some of them do when they first have to get up close and personal with their pros. That might have made it a bit easier for her to get on with it ... maybe!

thistle, I meant she says she stopped dancing 10 years ago, when she would have been 19 - around the time she'd have been at/leaving Italia Conti.

thistlelicker Wed 06-Nov-13 13:51:23

Storm she also pouts when camera on her !!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Wed 06-Nov-13 13:52:47

I was really surprised when I learned 'off syllabus' meant basically anything, as long as it's in the style of the dance (disco paso aside, Iveta...).

I have danced open choreography before and it can be nice (all the kicks in jive for example), but for some dances it really isn't that important, especially if you allowed a few bars at the beginning and end where you could do anything.

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Nov-13 14:26:38

Perhaps SCD should have 'classes' e.g." best accomplished celeb dancer" then "best wooden celeb dancer"and "best agile but untrained celeb dancer" grin grin

I'm going to vote for Susanna this week. She revealed on BBC Breakfast today that Charlie Stayt had said to her "42? I thought you were older than that!" and then is surprised that she wont Let That Go. Plus the weather forecaster kept calling her Louise.

So the poor girl needs a vote of confidence.

There, that's the rationale that the typical phone voter uses. And that's why the public vote is so unpredictable.

coffeeinbed Wed 06-Nov-13 15:33:07

And can we have a "celeb the judge would like to take home" category.
And "dancer the judge would like to take home "
And "waggiest tail" please!

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Nov-13 16:13:30

Yes melanie I 'll vote for Susanna is she trained d'you think?

coffeeinbed grin how about best SCD thread online? grin

digerd Wed 06-Nov-13 18:10:20

I can't see any signs that Susanna has been trained but she obviously loves it.
Most girls at stage school have dance training, but not many will be as talented as Natalie.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Wed 06-Nov-13 19:06:23

I wouldn't think Susanna had had any training either. Enthusiasm, a good teacher and hard work, I reckon that's her 'secret'!

Frankel, is it up to Strictly to represent a competition syllabus though, or mirror what people going to dance classes learn? I think they show off plenty of basic steps, in all the dances, but also surely people primarily want to see great and interesting dancing and neither know nor care if it's that true to what happens in dance classes?

digerd Wed 06-Nov-13 19:36:32

I know that in ballroom there are heel leads which I never notice or we can see in those long dresses. I am sure Darcy knows nothing about that as in ballet it is always toes leading. Some modern, contemporary dance will have heel leads, but apart from that, the only dance I can think of is the very exciting Russian Cossack Dancing.
Looking forward to seeing Sophie and Brendan dance the Argentine Tango this Saturday.

Minimammoth Wed 06-Nov-13 19:43:08

I don't think Sophie will summon the passion or pretence thereof. I am warming to Susanna.

Headless, the point about using a syllabus is that it makes things a level playing field, if only for a few weeks. If there are only a set number of figures they can dance then everyone can be judged equally, rather than throwing in the odd impressive move to make everyone go "Wow!" and bump up the judges marks.

digerd Wed 06-Nov-13 19:56:08

I warmed to Susanna right from the beginning, but am still waiting to see her improve.

CeliaFate Wed 06-Nov-13 20:44:13

It's difficult to say who's improved. They've all pretty much stayed at their starting point I think. Perhaps Patrick and Fiona have improved the most. Sophie's gone backwards, Susannah, Abbey and Natalie were good from the start but I haven't seen huge progress.

Hands up- who here actually does vote. And who do you vote for, and why, does it change from one week to the next?

ProphetOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 23:22:01

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Listmaker Thu 07-Nov-13 07:15:06

In previous years we only voted in the last week or two (tight arse!) But now I can vote for free online I am and as Matilda says you can have five votes. Trouble is you have to watch more or less live as the voting window is very short. This means limited ability to fast forward Bruce. Still it's his week off next week. Hooray grin.

CloudOfStarlings Thu 07-Nov-13 07:32:33

Yes I never watch live as I wait til the dc are in bed.. I don't normally start voting until about this point in the competition so if I feel strongly about someone I'll get a friend to let me know when voting opens so I can get my vote in.
Usually I have 1 or 2 firm favourites I'll vote for but also vote for people I really think deserve to stay if for example they've obviously worked really hard, or improved loads.
I always vote in the semis & final.

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 08:35:33

NomDO
Just noticed your question. Lhasa Apso, similar to a Shitzu but quieter and more wary of strangers. < although all have their own unique personality>. They do not chase a ball and are independent so not easy to train. Also stubborn, but non-hyper and non-aggressive. Graceful smooth gliding and elegant, poised movers .grin

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 08:45:33

Patrick has improved the most, and Ben has improved in his Latin < he really is a fine figure of a man but would look better in a tight stretchy shirt with an opening at the top imo>. Anybody noticed his tight rounded bum ? just wondering what his rugby thighs look like and should wear tight lycra trousers to show them off

thistlelicker Thu 07-Nov-13 08:59:02

My Lhasa is wary of strangers but when he knows u is fine! He fetches a ball but once he is bored of it he will chew it!!! He doesn't chew as a rule but he is partial to a pair of socks

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 09:00:57

digerd Did you see Darcey doing all the dances 'from Hollywood' on 2 programmes which may have been on Sky arts? They were good and showed her dancing Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire style. She has also said that she brushes up the techniques of each dance before it is to be showcased.

I like Darcey a lot she tries to be constructive not mean. grin

I have tried to vote but we're in fr. and sometimes the phones don't do what I'd like them to!

See I'm not a big fan of Darcey, sometimes she comes out with technically incorrect comments. It's all well and good her reading up on the techniques and requirements for each dance, but she hadn't spent years studying/dancing them. That's why they should have got another ballroom/Latin expert (like Karen Hardy) to sit alongside Len and balance out the theatre-background stuff from Bruno and Craig.

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 10:38:21

Yes I like Karen H too maybe there should be 2 women on the panel why tf not?

Sparklingbrook Thu 07-Nov-13 10:51:31

Len on This Morning now!!

Sparklingbrook Thu 07-Nov-13 10:58:22

'It's got to be Dave' shock

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 11:33:39

What I missed it Sparkling Dave to go or Dave to win???

Sparklingbrook Thu 07-Nov-13 11:35:31

The question from Phil Schofield was-

'Who will go on Saturday?' and that was Len's instant reply.

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 11:48:15

Thanks grin it is about time but I'm not so sure grin

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 13:09:13

I have said it before about having only one Ballroom expert - Len. Arlene P was also stage dance experienced only. No doubt Craig and Bruno have read up on the ballroom technique and Darcy too, but they are by no means experts. Karen Hardy is, and known/popular with the viewers.
Perfect choice, but which male judge should go? Craig and Bruno are the 'personalities' grin

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Thu 07-Nov-13 13:20:32

But Len doesn't really talk about technique much any more.

I think it would be fun to run it like a proper competition one week, all the couples on the floor at once, doing the same dance, with 5/6 judges standing around the floor. It would be interesting to see if there'd be a difference.

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 13:29:37

Perhaps have 5 judges grin It would be good to have 2 women.

Good idea Polka that would really sort 'em out.

I've often wondered if the judges would be better off marking different aspects - 1 for technique, 1 for performance, 1 for choreography, etc.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Thu 07-Nov-13 17:37:33

Frankel, surely the choreographic strengths/weaknesses/flourishes of the pros are part of the appeal and entertainment value of the show though?

Also, with every dance I think the pros have to walk a line between not annoying the judges too much by flouting too many rules, and making an audience largely made up of lay people like and want to vote for their sleb.

A level playing field is obviously needed for serious competitions, but let's face it, Strictly is only part technical competition; it is in large part an entertainment and popularity contest.

Having said that, I do think they should reinstitute the show's previous feature of making half the couples do the same ballroom dance and the other half do the same Latin dance every week. This used to allow for much more meaningful comparison of couples, as well as giving the Beeb an opportunity to tick the 'educational' box by wheeling out Len to say a few words about what each dance should look like smile

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Thu 07-Nov-13 17:39:10

x-post, Frankel. I agree that marks for different aspects of the dances would give much more meaningful scores.

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 17:39:10

On DWTS the audience show their disapproval when Len mentions faults with the technique. They have only one non-ballroom expert in their panel of 3 and that is BRUNOgrin. The lady judge is lovely.
Strictly with 5 judges? If they all had a say it would last too long for the producers, I reckon. I can imagine that Darcy quite likes being the rose between 3 thorns. grin. 2 male experts with differing views could get quite heated.
Ian criticised Darcy's comment about the technique of the flicks, and said they should have a pumping action with the lower legs and shouldn't be extended into straight legs . He demonstrated too.

digerd, a prime example that Darcy doesn't know what she's talking about half the time! Ballet is so different to Ballroom/Latin, in ballet your feet move and your body follows whereas the opposite is true in a Ballroom/Latin.

thistlelicker Thu 07-Nov-13 18:31:13

Kristina just gives me the rage sad

Amandine29 Thu 07-Nov-13 18:45:25

Anyone watching ITT? What was the swearing Zoe mentioned? I didn't notice anything.

thistlelicker Thu 07-Nov-13 19:09:50

I didn't notice anything, Ben looked puzzled

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 20:16:36

Indeed Frankel. Darcy even got up and showed her lovely ballet trained legs off doing a ballet placed extension as an example of how it should be done, wrongly unfortunately.
Also, when she critised the front develope of, I can't remember the name now, and said she should keep her supporting leg absolutely straight. That applies to ballet but not Latin Rumba. I think it was Abbey?
She should study Joanna Leunis.

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 20:20:32

extention <I think it's spelt>

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 20:24:45

Christina has hurt her toes and will have to dance in flat shoes on Saturday. That will make her much too short for Big Ben. It was an accident while training.
Didn't hear any swearing but popped quickly into kitchen to put my dinner on so must have missed it.

MooseBeTimeForSnow Thu 07-Nov-13 20:36:57

I think Artem has a sense of humour. Anyone remember that ITT when Artem was practising his routine and James joined in?

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 20:42:36

No you were correct originally with the spelling of extension digerd grin but you're right about ballet and straight legs there are very few positions that require bent supporting legs. I think the swearing was Ben saying something was bloody (but not as swearing I think he was describing a costume or something that was bloody in the halloween show).

RedPencils Thu 07-Nov-13 20:48:46

Ben said 'Christ' when Zoe asked him something about Having his top off.

artem and James doing the Rumba

I love artem, but I'm not feeling the love for Natalie. She's too good for the show.

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 20:55:04

Yeah RedPencils I wasn't paying attention properly sorry blush Agree about Natalie and Artem.

MooseBeTimeForSnow Thu 07-Nov-13 20:56:56

Thanks RedPencils

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 20:57:39

ppeat
Stupid english language and stupid getting older tired braingrin.
Ben seems so nice. Hope his jive thrills me and that he wears a shirt and skin tight rocker type jeans.

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Nov-13 21:08:56

Ben has a sweet personality but IMO he just doesn't have a dancers' body or 'feel' IFYSWIM better than Dave but almost on his level. That backward flip that louis taught him was sooo flat footed it's a shame.

Digerd I agree on both counts about english and being tired though grin I'm off to bed grin

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 21:32:32

Hadn't seen Artem and James doing the rumba before. Artem looks embarrassed and keeps giggling, James is really getting in to it and giving it his all in an OTT way.
But James is taller and bigger than Artem, so why was James dancing the female role as too heavy for Artem.?
Loved James' ending, but why did he keep rubbing his tummy through out the dance?grin

digerd Thu 07-Nov-13 21:45:12

Oh, I see, James was just helping Artem to practise as Natalie wasn't there. He is however much heavier than Natalie and hope Artem didn't suffer any injuries. He definitely appeared to be suffering while James had a whale of a timegrin. Very entertaining.

FushandChups Thu 07-Nov-13 22:11:26
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