Downton Abbey continued

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AndHarry Mon 07-Oct-13 17:55:08

Following on from the first thread...

It took me ages to get to sleep last night. I'm not particularly maudlin in general but that was shocking.

Predictions: Isabel and Mosley die.

LIZS Mon 07-Oct-13 17:58:04

sad not sure how they will edit for teatime viewing.

AndHarry Mon 07-Oct-13 18:03:35

I didn't know there was a tea-time slot. Maybe they will just show the bit where he kisses her?

MadBusLady Mon 07-Oct-13 18:05:46

Marking place.

Davros Mon 07-Oct-13 18:06:01

I still don't get how Isobel can help that old codger off the music hall but not her dead son's servant (valet?)

Frettchen Mon 07-Oct-13 18:09:51

Something bad has to happen to Molesley... They wouldn't keep him around unless they were building up to something dramatic... (Good work by the actor - he's perfected the saddest hangdog expression I've seen in a long while.)

Maybe for the teatime version they'll take out the screaming and just have it all happen offscreen and out of earshot...?

Llareggub Mon 07-Oct-13 18:10:10

I find most of the male characters completely unlikable this series. I've never liked Bates or Mosely, and now I can add Edith's new chap to the list.

As for Anna, well. I didn't see that coming.

AndHarry Mon 07-Oct-13 19:20:04

I like Pickle and Carson and the doctor. That's about it.

AndHarry Mon 07-Oct-13 19:26:38

Has everyone seen this BBC News story?

FreyaFridays Mon 07-Oct-13 19:33:25

Where's the news story, AndHarry?

The link you gave goes back to the old thread.

AndHarry Mon 07-Oct-13 19:34:03
CMP69 Mon 07-Oct-13 19:43:20

I have just caught up on last nights episode. Poor Anna but it will obviously be an ongoing storyline about the Bates marriage and the housekeeper (forgotten her name) and Anna struggling to keep it secret
It was horrible but rape is! I don't really get the reaction to it being in the programme, sadly rape and violence against women appears to be an acceptable story line in many dramas sad

I'm watching now...scared. I know Anna gets raped by the bloke from eastenders but nothing else. I almost want to just read a recap and skip it til next week.

Oh poor Anna sad

ChocChaffinch Mon 07-Oct-13 21:02:44

upsetting to watch. Love Anna sad

Crutchlow35 Mon 07-Oct-13 21:05:41

I didn't find it upsetting. I felt I knew it was coming though. You didn't see anything beyond the slap. I am sad that they couldn't just leave bates an Anna happy but I suppose story lines have to come from somewhere.

triplets Mon 07-Oct-13 21:57:39

I didn`t see it coming although I thought she was being abit frivolous with him. It upset me but I felt more cross with Bates for just accepting her answer when you could see something awful had happened to her, that man annoys me. Don`t like Ediths beau either!

ChocChaffinch Mon 07-Oct-13 22:01:09

Lord G & Mary make a lovely pair, though so refined, vairy elegant

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Mon 07-Oct-13 22:14:30

Yes Lord Gillingham and Lady Mary will become a couple and poor Anna will be thrown together with his horrible bastard valet again.

Lovely Molsley. His line about having his career backwards was brilliant. So resigned and yet so funny. grin

DelphiSwimsLate Mon 07-Oct-13 22:15:27

Does anyone catch what Anna says to Mrs H just after she walks in - Mrs H says 'you must tell Mr Bates' does Anna say 'there'll be divorce' or does she say something about being forced? I didn't quite get it.

I've just watch on catch up again as I missed loads of stuff after that terrible scene sad

I imagine it was very well written, I had to turn over. Before hand they said violent scenes. Nothing about scenes of asexual violence. I know you didn't see it but it was there. I am a survivor of asexual abuse and I wouldn't have watched if I'd been warned.

tribpot Mon 07-Oct-13 22:26:53

What I'd quite like is for Anna to go Thelma and Louise on this valet and shoot him herself.

I'm not sure that is entirely realistic plot development, but given Downton's ridiculous penchant for modern morals in a period piece (cf the servants' Christmas dinner served by the family) I could see it happening.

Delphi, Anna says "him least of all, if he knew he'd murder the man who's done it".

Llareggub Mon 07-Oct-13 22:38:47

I would have preferred a love triangle with Anna, Bates and eastenders guy.

boogiewoogie Mon 07-Oct-13 22:45:14

I think we were lead to think that there was going to be a love triangle between Bates, Anna and Green that we didn't imagine that this was going to happen. I think Bates is suspicious of what happened to Anna. He's pretty clued up but he has discretion as well. It will come out somehow probably when he's pouring his heart out to Mrs Hughes and her being unable to remain silent.

DelphiSwimsLate Mon 07-Oct-13 22:47:01

Thanks tribpot

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Tue 08-Oct-13 00:30:21

I thought Anna was trying to teach Bates a lesson, that he can't be rude to people the way he was (like Mr Moseley thought he was too). You know, like when toddlers have pushed another over you make a fuss of the one who's been pushed. She wasn't actually flirting with him.

Sunnymeg Tue 08-Oct-13 09:06:41

I'm a bit mystified, surely Green knew that Bates had been in prison and may not be the sort of man to cross. That seems to have been conveniently forgotten.

diddl Tue 08-Oct-13 09:12:08

Perhaps he's banking on Anna saying nothing.

Won't it become obvious when Anna's pregnant?

She will be, won't she?

And then Bates will realise what happened?

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Oct-13 09:14:42

OMG I didn't watch it poor Anna sad I'm going to watch the sunday teatime repeats because it's on too late for me (in Fr we're an hour later) . It'll be interesting to see if they calm the scene a bit.

Tribpot WRF to the lord serving the staff at Xmas; that's a VERY old tradition called 'The Lord of Misrule' or something so not an anachronism at all!

Wishfulmakeupping Tue 08-Oct-13 09:17:27

Anna is bound to be pregnant. Really was not expecting that to happen watched it a day later so saw a lot of 'poor Anna' comments on here and FB I assumed that Edna had set her up again- was so shocked when I saw it sad

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Oct-13 09:30:53

Why didl can't Bates get it up?

diddl Tue 08-Oct-13 09:43:58

Well they've been married a while & no kids, so if she's raped & becomes pregnant, wouldn't the assumption be that it's not her husband's?

VeeAndTea Tue 08-Oct-13 09:59:10

I know this isn't a popular view, but I thought it was excellent. It had to be shocking, it's a shocking event and something we should feel uncomfortable about. The MN WBY campaign proved how many rape myths are still believed and how many people use them to alleviate their own discomfort. But 1 in 4 women are survivors of sexual violence, imagine how much higher that figure would have been then. DA has a great opportunity here.

Although I would have liked a "If you are affected by this storyline, please call Rape Crisis on...

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Oct-13 10:26:27

Maybe Bates and Anna practice withdrawal which can go wrong.

VeeAndTea You're right of course it wasn't talked about even in the middle decade and onwards of the last century let alone earlier (when nothing at all of a sexual nature was discussed in 'proper' homes) shock

VeeAndTea Tue 08-Oct-13 10:31:22

ppeatfruit, exactly.

Can't remember how much we were told in series 1 about Bates's (war?) injury - maybe that's to blame for lack of sprogs.

VeeAndTea hear hear

Animation Tue 08-Oct-13 11:53:07

I wanted Anna to give full reign to her anger in that last scene when she was talking to Bates - and the rapist valet said goodnight and she said goodnight back! Aaarrrrgggg!!

She could have at least said she'd been attacked to Bates even if she'd not wanted to disclose the rape at that point.

thelittlemothersucker Tue 08-Oct-13 12:24:47

Thomas will bump Green off is my prediction. He likes Anna. Molsesley will get Green's job.

KillerKoalaFace Tue 08-Oct-13 13:24:57

I hope it happens that way little.

Only watched it this morning and I found it difficult viewing.

Wishfulmakeupping Tue 08-Oct-13 15:35:55

Yes I hope so too little

Be nice to see Thomas doing a good deed. Do we expect anything else on the sacked nanny story, either for Thomas or the children?

SalveRibena Tue 08-Oct-13 16:30:16

Has O'Brien permanently gone or is she primed to come back at a surprising moment?

I actually like Edith's new bloke - not sure why people think he's a wrong 'un... I also spotted that the card sharp was a card sharp, it was so obvious.

I agree that maybe Thomas will bump off evil valet. He is definitely softening up a bit, maybe ready to become a goody rather than a baddie?

Llareggub Tue 08-Oct-13 16:58:53

No, let's get shot of Molesley. I'm sick of seeing his hangdog face. Bates too. I really don't get why women fawn over him.

Animation Tue 08-Oct-13 17:18:08

Always thought Thomas and O'Brien didn't like Anna and Bates?

newgirl Tue 08-Oct-13 17:25:15

I really like ediths journo bloke - for her not me obv

MadBusLady Tue 08-Oct-13 17:54:32

I like him increasingly, but I still think he has a Past. He didn't learn to beat cardsharps by living a blameless life.

MaireadnotMermaid Tue 08-Oct-13 21:45:00

Awful. Couldn't get to sleep that night. Kept hearing the theme tune in my head.

LateBloomer414 Tue 08-Oct-13 23:10:02

Shamelessly marking a place....

I agree MadBusLady and Llareggub. Wouldn't put it past O'Brien to pop up again.

tribpot Wed 09-Oct-13 19:04:03

Does Edith have any proof that the first Mrs Cardsharp is a lunatic?

boogiewoogie Wed 09-Oct-13 21:26:03

Salve I think O Brien is well and truly out of the show. They can't keep the soap line dragging on for that long so I guess we are meant to think that she left before she got found out and sacked.

Regarding evil valet, I reckon he will get bumped off at the end of the series. It says that he's in the next episode and the penultimate and final one of this series.

Speculating plot to come Bates will have found out by then and kill him "accidentally" in a fight when he punches him and Green hits his head on something and lies on the floor unconscious. At this moment someone (Thomas or Mrs Hughes) comes in and sees Green on the floor and immediately thinks it's murder then cue theme tune.

Greythorne Sun 13-Oct-13 09:30:41

The problem for me is that the story is just as powerful without Anna behaving in a frivolous, flirty way just prior to the rape. That bit really smacks of 'she was sending signals to Green and got her comeuppance' .

Had she continued to be her usual down to earth, non card-playing, sensible self, the rape scene would have been as horrifying.

The Anna messing about with silly card games subplot just reinforces the myth that good girls (who don't get drunk, wear short skirts, flirt etc) are 'safe' from rape whereas the ones who want to have a good time in some way contribute to their attack.

And Bates' Po-faced routine reinforces that this. This is a subtle way of conveying that he is decent and she was briefly fun-loving / wanton. What are the odds Bates will accuse Anna of sending the wrong signals to Green?

KillerKoalaFace Sun 13-Oct-13 12:58:10

Anna is always friendly. I don't agree at all that she wasn't being her normal, down to earth self. She has shown she is fun loving when she dances and she often gets involved with the fun the other servants have.

In fact I'm finding it quite upsetting the amount of people on here saying that she was "sending signals" and other such crap.

She was raped because she was unfortunate enough to come across a rapist

Saying it was for any other reason is extreme stupidity.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 18:26:19

I have another question. Does anyone know where Jimmy was during the opera/rape scene last week? He had hurt his wrist earlier hadn't he. Was he upstairs watching the opera singing with everyone else?

AndHarry Sun 13-Oct-13 18:45:40

Good evening.

<shuffles papers au Huw Edwards>

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 19:31:01

Evenin' Harry.
So I think I've answered my own question on Jimmy - he must have been upstairs in his room as Molesley was brought in wasn't he.

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:00:42

Evening

<rushes over from X Factor, still itching over Croods filthy Barnet>

MadHeadlessBusLady Sun 13-Oct-13 21:01:19

<plonks self on sofa>

MadHeadlessBusLady Sun 13-Oct-13 21:02:22

Sir Jorah AGAIN, this time in Breathless. This is getting really confusing.

NK5BM3 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:02:35

Argh my kid is still not asleep. I can't turn the tv on!!!! She's downstairs with me. Lying on me. confused

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:02:46

Yay more people!

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:02:55

DOGS ARSE!

Evening. Here's to this episode being a bit less distressing than last one

MadHeadlessBusLady Sun 13-Oct-13 21:04:33

"Minimise"? Would they have said that?

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:05:08

Bates is onto this.

Although minimise is a very modern word.

Why is nasty valet still there? I thought they were leaving at the end of the last ep

Oohh Hughs knows

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:05:26

The duchess is lush.

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:06:28

Couldn't leave then Chub 'twas night.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:06:38

Gillingham doesn't like his valet. Why does he employ him? Wonder if there's a story to that

will anna be with child...

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:06:42

Bates and Thomas onto it I think.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:07:17

Hughes does know. Anna told her.

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:07:53

I'm in! Though MN isn't loading properly sad

Yeah what I should have said is that she really does know who did it.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:08:43

Ooh bitch. I bet nothing happened. He was asleep.

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:08:53

Gillingham is brassic. Can't afford better. Also why he's targeting Lady M.

MadHeadlessBusLady Sun 13-Oct-13 21:09:37

Oh Edna, FFS.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:10:06

I really hate Edna. But I'd rather she were pregnant than Anna.

Marry her? No fucking way.

So who's she gonna shag to try and get pregnant?

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:10:29

She'll get herself knocked up now

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:10:35

Is Edna the one after Tom? I've managed to watch this far without ever actually learning everyone's name.

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:11:16

Now Branston actually is in a pickle

LittleBairn Sun 13-Oct-13 21:11:51

Oh that Edna is a scheming cow.

chub - i was thinking the same thing

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:11:54

Yes dread.

I love these two. Granny is ace.

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:12:13

For gods sake Anna talk!!!!
Evil

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:12:42

Yes she will try and get knocked up.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:12:46

Winkle it out of her Mary.

Anna helped her in her most desperate hour, across the social divide they are best friends.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:13:32

I don't think anything happened. I think she's making it up.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:13:42

Free labour ? He's got more staff than he had before the war.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:14:40

Does jimmy fancy ivy now? I can't keep up with the dull quadrangle.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:15:21

Anna is so completely not herself she can't keep this to herself for long.

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:16:31

Anna is not herself, why won't someone shake her out of it???
Evil

OldRoan Sun 13-Oct-13 21:17:10

I think Edna is already pregnant by someone else and is stitching Tom up.

If Anna and Bates fall apart over this I will stop watching, I can't take it.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:17:10

Now she's leaving bates? Oh god this is a car crash.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:17:28

Oh I love mrs Hughes

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:17:35

Oh Anna sad

LittleBairn Sun 13-Oct-13 21:17:54

oldroan I suspect that too along with a bit of social climbing.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:18:09

Anna's going to top herself

NK5BM3 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:18:49

Wy is Anna going to London? Sorry. My kid is now snoring on the sofa and I've just turned the tv on!

oohhh edna already with child... mmmm

Ohh poor Anna.
I really hope you're wrong Chub

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:19:14

Anna does have a point, bates would kill him.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:19:23

OldRoan I think you're spot on about Edna.

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:19:29

Mary will find out from Anna and Lord Gillingham will sack him/do something. Then Mary will love him and Bates won't kill him.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:19:51

Mary's going to London to talk to the inland revenue about the death duties so Anna's goknv too

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:21:49

Mrs Hughes, why don't you march her to the lord and tell him.

Evil

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:21:58

I'm finding I'm holding my breath during Anna's scenes. She's being acted brilliantly; she seems so brittle.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:22:03

Bates would kill him so Anna is in a tight spot. I really hope they don't split up. Why can't they just be happy??

I think Edna's pregnant already and the father won't marry her, and that's why she's going after Tom.

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:22:43

I just don't believe Mrs Hughes would keep Anna's secret.

AndHarry Sun 13-Oct-13 21:22:52

What was up with the lighting in the Mrs Patmore/Anna scene? Hurt my eyes confused

GeorginaWorsley Sun 13-Oct-13 21:22:56

Ooh that bitch Edna.
No way would Tom marry her.Hopefully Thomas will remember his loyalty to Sybil and sort the scheming hussy out.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:23:00

It's all a bit harrowing.

Not loving this tbh.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:24:25

And I just don't care about this fours troubles. So dull

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:25:02

YY to Edna already being upduffed.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:25:11

Isn't he engaged to someone else?

MadHeadlessBusLady Sun 13-Oct-13 21:25:42

Pointless Rose is pointless.

Yeah I think he is Chub

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:26:09

Sorry no ones had any fun rose. Whst with the heir dying and all that.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:26:47

Yup to miss lane-fox or summink.

YummyDollie Sun 13-Oct-13 21:26:55

Hate how prickly daisy has become! She's not as likeable now..

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:27:05

Can you imagine Mary posting about Rose being insensitive on AIBU?

MorrisZapp Sun 13-Oct-13 21:27:17

Who's minding the bairns? I know the upper classes were remote from their babies etc but this is ridiculous. They don't ever mention them.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:27:22

Ok almost engaged.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:27:30

Up front Mary. Like it.

I really hope its Mary that gets it out of Anna.

I think I've seen Mary with her son once

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:28:06

Poor Tom. He didn't sign on for any of this.

YummyDollie Sun 13-Oct-13 21:28:40

How could they just up and leave their little ones? don't think Mary's held that baby for a few episodes now!

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:28:45

I've never liked daisy.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:30:18

I like the singer

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:30:34

Oooh knight in shining armour....

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:31:54

I think everyone should confide in Mary.

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:32:13

Been in a glump grin Argh, is Tom about to tell Mary?!

OldRoan Sun 13-Oct-13 21:32:21

Come ON Branson.

FFS. I think Branson and Rose could be paired off quite easily...

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:32:32

Poor Tom he just wants out doesn't he.

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:32:51

What's with the thing about colour?
(Yes, I'm young)
Evil

NK5BM3 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:33:01

What did Edna accuse tom of? Raping her or sumthink like that? Has he fallen for it??

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:33:21

FFS Tom tell Mary. Edna Minxmaid will be toast by tea time.

my dad reckons since the nanny was sacked they've forgotten the children and that they're living a feral-like existence in the attic. grin
slinking back off now as I'm not watching it out of principal but still want to know what's happening!

YummyDollie Sun 13-Oct-13 21:33:54

The singers eyes are beautiful! I wish this series would cheer up! Bring on some Of Grannys snippy comments!

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:34:00

No Edna hasn't accused him of raping her. She claims they did it when he was drunk.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 13-Oct-13 21:35:58

Perhaps Tom will confide in Bates or Thomas.
Or Carson?

sophieandbrendantowinstrictly Sun 13-Oct-13 21:36:05

Dud they do it?

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:37:06

Don't think so

Ooh Thomas is onto it.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:38:06

Oh Anna.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 13-Oct-13 21:38:48

I think Rose will get it out of Anna when Anna borrows the curling irons!

Ah right person to go to Tom

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:38:54

Come on Carson, work it out.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:39:13

Well at least tom took marys advice to tell someone.

Mrs Hughes, sort it all out!

My heart is breaking for Anna. sad

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:39:54

Mrs H will be appointed Secretary General of the League of Nations in episode 5 at this rate.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:40:03

He's not going to propose. Surely not

Oh my god he did

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:40:24

Bloody hell, Lord G doesn't waste time!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 13-Oct-13 21:40:52

shock

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:40:55

Oh Anna, what will she do if they get married?

YummyDollie Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:02

Is Lord Gillingham skint?

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:04

NO marriage, OMG......

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:07

He's dead and I'm alive

You're not very bright though

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:23

Surely Mary won't be daft enough to not see what his agenda is?

he loves her grin

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:32

Come on, Gilly, you met 2 days ago!

MadHeadlessBusLady Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:33

"He's dead and I'm alive". Nice...

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:33

Blimey people fall in love pretty quickly round 'ere

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:41:46

He's after the sodding money, and poor Anna.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:00

Chub grin

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:08

No valet with him.

Her husband has only been dead 6 months hasn't he?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:21

Minx has had it.

NigellasGuest Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:24

He reminds me of Fred West

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:26

Oh go on marry him. I would smile

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:35

No you're not.

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:41

Hurrah for Mrs Hughes!

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:42:55

Mrs Hughes sees the sheets

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:43:03

Go on Mrs Hughes!

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:43:09

Marie stopes!

I love Mrs Hughes!

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:44:15

Yay mrs Hughes !!!!!
Evil

OldRoan Sun 13-Oct-13 21:44:31

Right, that's Tom sorted. When is Mrs Hughes going to fix the Anna problem?

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:44:46

Thomas doesn't give a shit why people dislike him

Ha ha ha

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:44:49

Oh Mrs Hughes you are the best. Now please sort out Green.

LittleBairn Sun 13-Oct-13 21:44:52

This convo with Miss Hews is so wrong after what happened with Anna.

Hurrah for Mrs Hughes grin

AndHarry Sun 13-Oct-13 21:45:15

Ohhh Thomas and Edna grin

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:45:32

I thought one of these stories would be quickly resolved. Unfortunately not Anna's.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:01

Thomas is evil but sort of honest evil

runes Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:02

I'm delighted too Thomas grin

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:07

God the rate of these story lines.

OldRoan Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:32

Loving "about as mysterious as a bucket".

sophieandbrendantowinstrictly Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:35

why are you in your rompers? grin

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:36

Thomas is marvellous

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:50

Good grief Anna, even Fatty Bum Bum has noticed something's up with you. How on earth do you expect to keep it a secret?!

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:46:55

Oh Isobel sad

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:47:05

Bairn It was an odd choice of phrase, considering.

Is she going to dtd?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:48:15

What? Sign? What??? Don't do it.

Oh god what's she signing!

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:48:30

What is this? Edith have you even read that document?

runes Sun 13-Oct-13 21:48:41

There are moments when her virtue demands admiration. Brilliant. More Maggie please smile

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:48:43

Oh, what's he getting her to sign? Please say he's not a bad'un.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:49:33

He's a massive wrong'un. If anyone is likely to end up so sprogged it's Edith

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:49:45

Oh dear I have a terrible feeling Edith has just been conned ... hmm

Uh -oh. The card rustler gets her to sign something - eek!

YummyDollie Sun 13-Oct-13 21:49:58

You just know she's signed away something in that document!

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:50:06

Go Edith!

Fucking hell if Twattys spotted Anna's unhappy the shits about to hit the fan.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:50:08

What do we think it was she signed?

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:51:10

Divorce papers? Admitting to adultery? She'll be named and shamed?

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:51:23

Come on twatty! Well anyone! Edith, you fool.
Evil

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:51:48

Agreed. Twatty has the sensitivity of a billiard table.

Hopefully this is about to be tidied up. Bates will be sensible (we will have to endure some guff about prison changing him) and molsley will kill valet, and swing for it.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:52:42

Ooh yes! His not at all demented wife could be divorcing him. Edith's name is about to be dragged through the mire

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 21:53:00

Was that a power of attorney he had her sign?

Hasn't Edith learnt anything from her father?

All letters, documents and scraps of paper must be sent to Murray before signing.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:54:00

Carson, mrs Hughes, sort this out.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:54:32

I fear evil Edna will return upduffed

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:55:14

Who've not seen the last of Edna, not by a long chalk.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:55:18

Absolutely goddess, what was she thinking???
Yes power of attorney perhaps.

MissMarplesBloomers Sun 13-Oct-13 21:55:31

I luffs Mrs Hughes grin

Wish she'd sort 'em all out!!!

GeorginaWorsley Sun 13-Oct-13 21:55:31

Mrs Hughes privy to all these secrets....
Agree lord Gillingham skint.
Have to say I would overlook that myself.....grin

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:56:43

What just happened dd cried

AndHarry Sun 13-Oct-13 21:56:54

Argh, sort out the lighting! They had electricity on the first episode.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:57:13

Bates and twatty - what did he say?

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:57:14

Lord Gillingham has been wearing the same clothes every episode ... He's skint ...

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:57:33

Don't do it Mary!

MissMarplesBloomers Sun 13-Oct-13 21:57:42

I luffs Mrs Hughes grin

Wish she'd sort 'em all out!!!

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:57:55

C'mon Mary, don't do it!

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:57:56

It's mad he wants her to give him an answer already ...

Evilwater Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:01

Hurry!!!!

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:01

She's not going to. Good.

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:20

Phew!

MissMarplesBloomers Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:23

oop sorry ! blush

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:35

Noooo, don't kiss

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:35

Go on

Bates told twatty that Anna wanted to move back into the house. Twatty asked if there was a problem. Bates said yes he doesn't know what but it must be his fault

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 21:58:46

Twatty and bates talked about Anna and he gave him some advice about love conquering all. Edith's crawled in rather suspiciously in the morning. Think she dtd.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:59:03

Don't like him. Talk about stomping over boundaries.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:59:35

Thanks.

What's Thomas up to?

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 21:59:37

ITS BEEN TWO DAYS GILLINGHAM

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 21:59:48

Obrien?

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 22:00:26

Of course, O'Brien!

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 22:00:39

Surely they wouldn't accept O'Brien back after she did a runner?

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:00:44

Rosamund on the scent

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 22:00:52

They wouldn't take O'Brien back after she did a midnight flit.

Who was it that spotted Edith?

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:01:47

What did Edith call Mary after she had sex with pamuk? A slut.

I've remembered I don't like Edith.

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 22:01:55

Rosamunds maid

TheBookofRuth Sun 13-Oct-13 22:02:12

Why are they both in purple and orange?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:02:12

No can't be obrien....

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:02:16

I reckon Mary and Tom may get it together.

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 22:02:36

Oh Tom it's never that easy ...

minibmw2010 Sun 13-Oct-13 22:02:55

Is she Thomas' sister ???

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:02:56

Oh there she is the new ladies maid.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:03:31

No not obrien. Baxter? Clearly a relation of Thomas's as evil as him. Excellent.

Who is she?

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 22:03:52

Ooh. Not O'Brien.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:04:17

A relation of Thomas would be ace. Ooh Edith got a telling off. Wonder how that will turn out.

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 22:04:57

Blimey, Edna might have been better the devil you know.

Julian's on fire now!

GeorginaWorsley Sun 13-Oct-13 22:05:09

Gillingham skint but sexy...

Smugsmuggler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:05:20

Mary and Tom have jut motored past their own babies without a second glance. weirdos

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 13-Oct-13 22:05:47

Bet Edith has got an edgy hangover and a half after that telling off.

LateBloomer414 Sun 13-Oct-13 22:07:06

Again another casting decision to replace like for like. O'Brian 2.0.

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:07:14

If gillingham isn't going to be around Anna won't have to see the valet. Surely she'll tell bates eventually?

(Clearly they do have a "full" marriage usually as she said she can't bear him touching her now)

That's what I thought Smug

I can't help but think that Rosamund knows more than she is letting on.

DreaduCated Sun 13-Oct-13 22:14:38

I really hope they haven't written Anna yo be pregnant sad The fact that Mrs H asked about it is making me think maybe.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 13-Oct-13 22:17:05

pmsl at them cruising past the babies!

The Editor is such bad news. Why didn't Edith read what she was signing?!

womma Sun 13-Oct-13 22:18:54

Oh that Edith is a dozy piece

omri Sun 13-Oct-13 22:22:31

Can I ask what Thomas's special relation was to lady Sybil? It's alluded to a couple of times and I can't remember what it was that gave them a good relationship??

So annoyed with Edith for signing something without even reading it... Dumbo.

TSSDNCOP Sun 13-Oct-13 22:26:30

Thomas was helped by lady S during their time at the ww1 hospital. He was devoted to her thereafter.

omri they worked in the hospital together during the war, and were both helping a blind soldier who committed suicide.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:27:48

Omri Thomas and Sybill worked in the hospital together during the war. They were more equals there, in fact I think he may even have been her senior. I think they became friends and he was very upset when she died.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:28:29

Oh yes I forgot about the blind soldier.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:29:36

Well. The singer was rather dishy wasn't he?

<goes off to google>

omri Sun 13-Oct-13 22:32:53

Ah yes! Thank you! Had completely forgotten that!

omri Sun 13-Oct-13 22:33:19

Will the singer be back?

That bucket line was excellent. Also the bit where Thomas told evil edna she was a manipulative little witch. Otherwise I found it a bit dull. I wonder what Edith did sign though.........

I wish Rose would catch flu or eclampsia or drive too fast round a corner. She properly gets on my nerves.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:38:12

I'm not sure, hope so ;)
I do actually think Rose is quite sweet with all her little fiascos. I felt sorry for her at Duneagle with her mother being so nasty.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 13-Oct-13 22:43:31

Oh I think Anna will be pregnant
And alarm bells rang at her'ill kill myself' line
Christmas special ??

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 13-Oct-13 22:44:51

X posts northern - your list of death options has made me chuckle though!

She's a a drip. All she has going for atm is being the only character about who nobody has yet said 'but what if you/she is pregnant'.

Mrs Hughes was bloody good though. She soon dealt with that baggage.

LittleBearPad Sun 13-Oct-13 22:52:09

Mrs Hughes was awesome. Silly pickle.

ProphetOfDoom Sun 13-Oct-13 22:52:13

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ProphetOfDoom Sun 13-Oct-13 22:53:47

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Thomas wouldn't have the balls to bump him off. He's sly and nasty but not really vicious. Remember how crap he was when he was swindled over the black market stuff and then again with the dog. He's just not effective enough. If anybody kills the evil valet it will be Anna.

I was willing Mary on to say 'Don't be such an absolute arse Tony! Do you think I don't know one rich wench is as good as another?'

Chubfuddler Sun 13-Oct-13 22:58:03

I don't think Thomas lacks courage, he just wouldn't risk his neck.

God yes maybe Anna will kill him and she will hang. If he attacks her again I'm going to stop watching.

Pickle confessed he was in a pickle. Mrs H searched evil's room and found a copy of 'married love'. She confronted evil and assured Pickle that no way would evil have got up the duff till she was sure Pickle would marry her -then she would have got up the duff (the suggestionwas with any Tom, Dick or Jimmy? around). Evil basically agreed this was the case and cleared out under threat of no reference.

The significance of married love being that in it Marie Stopes tells you how to avoid pregnancy. The slight flaw in all this is that MArie thought mid month was the 'safe' period and I think we can all tell her that's a crock of nonsense. But anyway seeing as Pickle was drunk as a lord (arf) I think there's a decent chance of coitus interruptus anyway.

Or indeed no coitus at all

ProphetOfDoom Sun 13-Oct-13 23:01:58

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ProphetOfDoom Sun 13-Oct-13 23:04:11

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eddiemairswife Sun 13-Oct-13 23:17:30

We saw two prams in the background so presumably a new nanny. What was the point of the nanny story?

foxymoon487 Sun 13-Oct-13 23:19:36

Yay! Brilliant Mrs Hughes giving
Minxwitch what for!!!
Slo glad she packed her bags
and buggered off

The nanny story was like Gwen's typewriter or Pickle's brother. It happens, it's quite interesting and then it's never heard of again.

The nanny storyline was to give Lady G something to do other than look out from under her fringe and sigh "oh Rabbit".

Can someone please tell me, didn't Daisy inherit a farm from her FIL? If so, why is she still working at
Downton?

Chubfuddler Mon 14-Oct-13 11:33:14

I know! Williams father wanted her to go into the farm with him and made the perfectly valid point that she had probably 50 years of working life, and did she really think houses like downton would still be going in 50 years? I thought that was a big "authorial voice" moment but no, they've carried on

Daisy is just irritatingly stupid. I don't know why the redoubtable Mrs P puts up with her nonsense.

Just when we thought Mrs Hughes was getting soft ...

Clawdy Mon 14-Oct-13 14:49:43

In one episode Mrs H. has become the Big Power behind the house. Surely she has her own plan for Nigel Harmon??

Chubfuddler Mon 14-Oct-13 15:13:07

TBF Gwen's typewriter was the scene setting for her wanting to train as a secretary, and for Sybil's first reach across the social divide. So it did lead somewhere.

Moln Mon 14-Oct-13 21:20:10

nanny story was possibly just to set up fatty bum bum and lady can't put on gloves to think Thomas was super reliable and get in the next dodgy lady maid

boogiewoogie Mon 14-Oct-13 21:20:53

Mrs Hughes kicked some serious butt in that episode.

I believe Green will have to be bumped off somehow. Candidates to do this are Bates (too obvious), Anna (to protect her husband and therefore possibly writing her out of the show as she will be hanged as a consequence) or Thomas. Not sure how yet.

Moln Mon 14-Oct-13 21:26:11

they cannot get rid of Anna. I'd be circling Julian's house with a placard if she's killed off.

boogiewoogie Mon 14-Oct-13 21:39:09

I wouldn't be surprised if Joanna Froggat had to leave for other projects. It would be a shame to lose her of course but I can't seem Bates and Anna staying at Downton at this point.

Llareggub Mon 14-Oct-13 23:14:54

I think the nanny story was to show us that the Granthams regard both babies to be equals socially even though the father of Sybil's baby is the former chauffeur.

Llareggub Mon 14-Oct-13 23:16:08

I hate to say it but I'm bored of the downstairs lot now. More Maggie Smith please!

minibmw2010 Tue 15-Oct-13 09:56:19

I thought the nanny thing was to show how the Granthams felt they 'owed' Thomas as he 'saved' the babies from the nasty nanny and so he was allowed more liberties than he might generally, like asking about ladies maids positions ??

Dobbiesmum Tue 15-Oct-13 11:42:24

I only started watching it this series by accident (toddler sleeping on me, remote nowhere to be found), I've never watched any of it before! Now I have to find the rest of it to catch up thlgrin
I have a small crush on Brendan Coyle ATM, he scrubs up rather well..

ChocChaffinch Tue 15-Oct-13 12:38:45

urch Brendan coyle grin

PassTheCremeEggs Tue 15-Oct-13 19:04:54

Does Mrs Hughes know it who it was that attacked Anna?

ZZZenagain Tue 15-Oct-13 20:10:38

Way I see it, Tom has the hots for Mary. He is storming about with jealousy I reckon. Look how he flung himself out of the room into the entrance hall where Edna was lying in wait for him. I think he was more bothered about Gillingham and Mary than the evil Edna.

And what oh what did Edith sign? Silly woman. Of course he was leading her on, if she had told anyone at all the story about his mentally ill wife and him going to Germany to get a divorce, they would have soon put her straight. But she told no one. She has signed to take over his debts I reckon and now he is going to disappear.

A really decent man probably would not have been a card shark, probably would not have arranged for his servant to be out all evening and come back the next morning at 8 when he was expecting Edith to come over. Very compromising for her.

ZZZenagain Tue 15-Oct-13 20:11:47

yes, Mrs Hughes knows, she saw him come back into the recital so knew he was absent from the room when Anna was absent. The guests and the staff were all supposed to be at the recital. So not difficult to put two and two together.

ZZZenagain Tue 15-Oct-13 20:17:29

actually now I think about it, some of the upstairs people left too, didn't they? Bit hard on Melba I thought.

limitedperiodonly Wed 16-Oct-13 11:17:30

My mum fancies Brendan Coyle in Starlings. She doesn't say, but I can tell.

I don't think she's realised Mr Bates is the same person grin

limitedperiodonly Wed 16-Oct-13 11:21:29

Yes, ZZZen I thought everyone in the show was really rude about Nellie Melba, and by extension, Kiri Te Kanawa.

That was weird because the show's producers were so busy boasting about what a catch she was, they got her to sing at the press conference.

None of us walked out. She can carry a tune. She was witty and charming too.

ChocChaffinch Wed 16-Oct-13 20:31:25

she knew her claret

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:03:31

Anybody out there?

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:03:31

Here we go again : )

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:05:21

Evening Crazy thought I was alone smile

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:07:23

You nearly were, I was watching Firefly on Netflix and was reluctant to change over. This can't quite compete as far as excitement goes.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 20-Oct-13 21:08:22

I've loved DA from the beginning but this Anna rape story as really put me off. There was no need, Anna and Bates ave been through enough, there are plenty of other characters to give a hard time.

Not happy and just switched over sad

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:08:25

Evening ladies.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:08:33

Sort this out mrs Hughes.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:08:55

Not pregnant thank god.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:08:59

Ooh she's not pregnant

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:09:34

Uh-oh

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:09:38

He heard!

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:09:40

HE HEARD

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:09:54

Hes

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:10:04

Hi there Chub

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:10:17

Uh-oh

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:10:34

Right. Putting moisturising gloves on now but watching still.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:10:37

Oops

I reckon he's not going to do whst she fears. He'll so something much cleverer. Involving Thomas.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:11:01

Evening all

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:11:37

U mean stitch Thomas up or get Thomas to help him?

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:12:49

Thomas will help.

Oh I think Alfred may fall in love with daisy thanks to her kitchen assistance.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:13:17

He's DUMPED you Edith.

Don't her family know he's married?

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:13:36

Ah what a surprise ... No post from Germany!!

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:13:37

That would be nice.

So Edith hasn't heard from Michael no surprise there...

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 20-Oct-13 21:14:35

Yeh busy buying Germany with your fortune probs Edith

Hello can i join in please?

Do we know what Edith signed last week?

What's happened? Who's heard??? (Still refusing to watch after rape but too nosey)

TallulahBetty Sun 20-Oct-13 21:15:07

Gosh I hope Bates doesn't get the wrong end of the stick and assume Anna has cheated on him..

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:15:21

Wow Mary is holding her baby...!!!

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:15:47

Is Edith pregnant then?

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:16:12

Yay Alfred!

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:16:19

My god they're laying with the children.

I wondered if he might think shed shagged him by choice but the cut lip says otherwise.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:17:04

I reckon Edith's pregnant. If Anna isn't and Edna isn't one of them has to be.

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:17:57

Could Alfred be any wetter?

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:18:40

Well then the Editors days are numbered. You can't have a child with two parents at Downton.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:19:00

Bates heard mrs h and Anna talking about it.
I also wonder if hell assume she's cheated. But surely the bruising gives it away???

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:19:24

Only if he'd just got out of a bath.

NK5BM3 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:19:44

Evening all... Did I miss anything in the first 2-3 min? I tuned in when Anna was talking with Bates and he was asking what's going on. Baxter then interrupted. Did anything happen before that?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:19:46

Well they finally paid some attention to the children! That'll do them for another few episodes!

Edith is blatantly dumped after he had his wicked way with her sad

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:19:53

And no, we don't know what she signed last week....

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:20:21

Nope that was the first scene - Bates leaving home alone and then waiting to speak to Anna on the stairs.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:20:43

Bates kind of knows about the rape. He overheard Anna and mrs hughes

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:21:59

Just for the day. To visit the gynaecologist.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:22:17

Is she his sister?

foofooyeah Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:08

Could be chub .... There's a resemblance

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:12

hmmmm why does Thomas need to be liked

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:35

Twatty will so anything to stomp over Mary and Tom.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:26:24

Because Thomas knows he's disliked and therefore vulnerable if there had to be any cuts to the staffing or anything like that.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:29:55

Interesting. Thomas doesn't actually dislike Anna. I think that line was a clunk clunk

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:07

yup...clunk clunk why is anna so dang quiet hmmmmmmmmm

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:28

Love the friendship they're developing between Violet and Mrs Crawley.

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:29

Yep, she's bumpy : )

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:35

V loud clunk

The Dowager and Isobel are on fire again tonight.

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:38

Edith is preggars

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:40

Edith's gone to the DOCTOR

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:47

Yes I do think Thomas likes her. I think he will help her somehow. It's because of bates that he's even still there isn't it?

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:47

gyne alert... or syphilis

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:51

Ooooh the Doctor ������

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:52

Edith is pregnant!!!!

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:53

Can you imagine His Twattyship's reaction?!

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:00

I have issues with the stereotypes in this Virgin ad.

foofooyeah Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:06

Yes she is definitely up-duffed!

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:09

Oh Edith ...up the duff eh?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:22

The doctors!!

Chub you may actually be psychic.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:41

shock

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:58

I thought it would be Anna tbh

ThePuffyShirt Sun 20-Oct-13 21:33:32

Who'd have thunk it? A doctor's appointment!

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:33:37

I love this.

I'm so glad it wasn't Anna.

This is great though.

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:34:13

oh no, backstreet abortion story?
terribly hard for the 1920s unwed lady, they'll send her away?

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:34:38

*The doctors!!

Chub you may actually be psychic.*

I totally said it first!

<sulks in the corner>

AuntyEntropy Sun 20-Oct-13 21:35:32

Ooh clever uncle J, two suspected pregnancies last week and it was E up the duff all along.

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:36:05

GBBO comes to Downton

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:36:56

Oh I remember this guy.

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:03

Who the hell is he?!

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:11

I thought he'd died in the war

She'll marry him.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:13

Haha I know I was just thinking the same!

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:33

Another money digger??

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:50

That us Evelyn Napier. He brought pamuk to downton.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:38:19

Evelyn Napier I think is his name. He came down with turkish Pamuk in series 1.

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:38:27

Crikey, that's going back a bit.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 20-Oct-13 21:38:36

Mr pamuk's friend

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 20-Oct-13 21:38:54

X post with everyone

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:39:14

Papa doesn't like him !!!!

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:39:24

Oooh, Charles Blake is going to be significant.

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:39:34

Charles Blake will be the one lady M goes for.

whoneedssleepanyway Sun 20-Oct-13 21:40:00

Masterchef meets Downton

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:40:00

Yes this Charles Blake will be a thing

Is Alfred Roy Cropper's grandad?

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:40:10

Here we go

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:40:11

She won't tell you bates.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:40:12

Ah ha here we go

YummyDollie Sun 20-Oct-13 21:41:34

She's going to crack!

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:41:36

Oh Christ.

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:41:42

Oh god

foofooyeah Sun 20-Oct-13 21:42:00

Noooooo

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:42:16

Oh dear

TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 21:42:18

All Hells going to break loose now

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:42:38

Oh no is she going to accuse him of theft?

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:43:39

Who has she told him it was? What the fuck?

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:44:02

Don't lie to him mrs Hughes.

Is she lying or did Anna lie?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:44:39

Oh deary me

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:44:50

No mrs Hughes knows.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:45:05

Mrs h lied and said it was an outsider.

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:45:24

She's lying so he doesn't go and kill him

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:45:26

I totally missed the Edith thing. She went to the docs?

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:46:16

Oh clunk Irishman goes to America.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:46:37

Or Mary might marry Tom.

YummyDollie Sun 20-Oct-13 21:46:38

Tom fancies Mary.....

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:46:52

Oh mr molesley do get over yourself.

YummyDollie Sun 20-Oct-13 21:47:15

Would that not make their two children in a complicated fix? Cousins? Siblings?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:47:29

No not Tom and Mary. No!

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:48:00

no no no way mary / tom. worlds apart

I know it would be shit, but I'd watch a spin off of Tom and Sibby in 1920's New York.

<sad>

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:50:11

Mary would never.

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:50:15

me too. ritzy glitzy. he'd catch a millionaire socialite and invent the hoover. or something.

Love Carson.

Is that the only hint we're going to get of Edith being knocked up? Need to know more.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:51:00

The babies are basically siblings anyway.

(Which is lovely.... sniff)

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 21:51:36

What's the letter business about?
Agree maybe back street abortion for Edith
Or actually perhaps money talked in those days and some dodgy gynae will assist in a private clinic

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:51:43

You wouldn't have thought snobby Mary would marry Matthew either.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:52:16

Oh god.

MissMarplesBloomers Sun 20-Oct-13 21:53:04

Awwww Bates ......

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:53:20

Oh Anna.

Oh shit.sad

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:53:56

You're keeping a big secret Anna. He will find out.

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:54:05

Bless Bates, he really loves her

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:54:40

I know I do think these two are lush.

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 20-Oct-13 21:54:54

Now I'm glad Mrs Hughes told.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:54:58

Oh god I've something in my eye.

Will he forgive her the lie though?

MissMarplesBloomers Sun 20-Oct-13 21:55:25

There.....bless her that's what she needed....

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 20-Oct-13 21:55:34

But is Bates going to play the detective, "find" the rapist, and kill an innocent man?

foofooyeah Sun 20-Oct-13 21:55:35

Mr bates, what big hands you have!

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:56:03

Oh look Moseley you're too late

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DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:56:36

Did Edith go into the doc then? Definitely?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 21:57:05

Carson shouldn't mess with Moseley, he is blatantly going to off himself.

My last sentence was bollocks. Sorry about that!

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Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:58:05

This alleged break in of the countess's is going to get conflated in bates mind with the alleged break in rapist and he will kill pegg

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 21:58:42

Ooh chub you are good.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 21:59:46

Mr drew is really thick.

That's not the conclusion I would draw Mary.

BOF Sun 20-Oct-13 21:59:48

God, Chubb, you're right sad

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 22:00:23

No way has Bates accepted their story!! confused

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 22:01:03

Oh dear Anna but he will be back.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 22:01:27

Oh fuck

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:01:34

Oh dear. He's not letting it go. Funnily enough.

thenightsky Sun 20-Oct-13 22:02:09

Bates has a mission now!

minibmw2010 Sun 20-Oct-13 22:02:52

Hmm Mr Blake is a looker but rather short ... grin

MissMarplesBloomers Sun 20-Oct-13 22:03:10

Eeeeek....sinister or what?! shock

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 22:03:11

dh says bates is 'sinister'

I think he's like a teddy bear. and now a very cross one.

foofooyeah Sun 20-Oct-13 22:03:28

Not looking good fr Edith next week

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 22:03:42

Oh Edith!

Roll on next week.

BOF Sun 20-Oct-13 22:04:03

Sweaty Bates really can't act, can he? Every expression- rage, sorrow, joy, all of it- is conveyed by a twinkle and smirk, like a bear who has got a bit merry on rotten apples.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 22:04:37

Edith trying to get in touch with Gregson to tell him she up duffed I think.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 22:05:25

Mr Blake son out of Foyle's War

BOF Sun 20-Oct-13 22:05:28

What was that that about Edith next week? I'd turned over for Homeland on +1.

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TSSDNCOP Sun 20-Oct-13 22:06:34

Moseley will do himself in.

Bates isn't stupid. He knows its Green without the women confirming it.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 20-Oct-13 22:06:38

Editor's done a runner, she has no idea where he is. Then she gets a letter.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:07:39

Mary can't cop off with another house guest brought by Napier. It would start to look like a habit.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:08:24

BOF don't be awful. I love sweaty bates. I can't help it.

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 22:19:29

Yes Bates is a cross teddy bear now. I think he knows it's Green too.

AndHarry Sun 20-Oct-13 22:19:37

Hate Bates. I'm still scrubbing my retinas from the post-coital shot. He's so miserable and martyrish all the time. I like Anna though smile

Poor old Edith doesn't have much luck.

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:25:53

Edith is experiencing KARMA

it doesn't exist except in the fevered imaginings of script and novel writers.

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Nessalina Sun 20-Oct-13 22:34:51

Ah, found the thread! How did searching for 'Downton' on the app not pick it up! hmm Silly MN app.

Ooh, genuinely worried for Edith, I have to say I always though he was rather a nice chap the Editor. If he turns out to be a bad 'un then uncle Julian has been uncharacteristically subtle about showing it!

I reckon the letter teased this week will be from the editor and will say something along the lines of:
"Dearest Edith, hope you won't think me a frightful cad, but having given it some thought, I think you're just too good for me. I hope it won't come as too much of a shock but having successfully divorced my mad wife (thanks to your counter-signing the adultery admittance) I've decided to marry the Countess Von Richknickers. Auf weidersehn pet."

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 22:40:54

Ha ha,ness
Leaving Edith with small problem to deal with.
Must be some significance to that letter signing.
Plus,what going on with Dowger and new gardener?

nicelyneurotic Sun 20-Oct-13 22:41:28

Brilliant letter Nellasina I think you're right although I hope it doesn't happen.

Moln Sun 20-Oct-13 22:41:33

Why can't they let something nice happen for Edith? Mesnues

That was, as predicted, far more triggering than the event itself. Bates is a dangerous man and Anna is afraid of him on some level. She's so sure he'd kill a person - as he himself attests - that his previous acquittal (which I never believed in) is looking pretty shaky.

And I do not believe she would move straight back in. It wasn't her shame that made her afraid to be touched.

Julian Fellowes was on Classic FM earlier today and said the story will be running for the next five weeks (ie today plus four) and the Christmas special.

phantomnamechanger Sun 20-Oct-13 22:47:26

Oh good, Mr & Mrs Bates are back together (sob) but will they (and we) be allowed a proper happy ending. I hope he does not do anyone in! He might kill an innocent man to revenge anna then she would have that to bear too, even if Bates never got found out!

edith def upduffed and dumped!

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:47:54

I have always thought bates killed his wife. I was astonished when after he was acquitted he didn't confess to Anna.

AuntyEntropy Sun 20-Oct-13 22:50:04

I too was totally taken in by editor. I thought he might turn out to be a teeny bit of a Nazi I grant you, but I never doubted that he had a mad wife and really loved Edith. I can't believe I fell for it. I've read Can Jane Eyre Be Happy? (Answer: no of course not, Rochester is creepy as fuck) and spent hours rubbernecking on the Relationships where I should have been trained to ask "Have you met his family? Do you have any proof about his mad wife? Have you had that piece of paper checked by a competent solicitor? (Not your late BIL, obvs)". It's Elizabeth Archer and Cameron Fraser all over again.

Darkesteyes Sun 20-Oct-13 22:52:12

So whats happened with Ediths boyf Has he done a runner?

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:53:02

Edith is really quite thick isn't she? Taken in by fake Patrick. Taken in by editor. Wake up Edith.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 22:54:57

Gosh,just had a terrible thought.
Fellows wouldn't put Tom and Edith together would he???

Chubfuddler Sun 20-Oct-13 22:58:01

Could someone please explain whst Edith's parents think is the deal with editor bounder? Do they think he's just her editor? Do they know he's married?

Darkesteyes Sun 20-Oct-13 22:59:15

Looked upthread Think ive got the gist of it.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 20-Oct-13 23:12:46

Don't think they know he's married

Nessalina Sun 20-Oct-13 23:17:57

I don't think they give a rat's arse what Edith does to be honest! I think they've mostly given her up as a bad job, and will be pleasantly surprised if she nets anyone under 60 without a melty face. grin

eddiemairswife Sun 20-Oct-13 23:20:05

Could Edith have gone to the doctor to try and find out about the 'mad' wife? I may be getting forgetful, but what has happened to Edna and where did Baxter spring from?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 20-Oct-13 23:30:49

Edna got sent off by mrs h last week for trying to screw over Tom. Baxter was hired following a recommendation from Thomas, although we're not sure how they know each other yet - thinking they could be siblings.

I'm not sure Edith is pregnant you know. She looked too calm and happy coming back to Downton.

Love that letter Ness. Think you could be right!

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Mon 21-Oct-13 05:35:17

Unless she is happy about it? Poss because it hasn't yet dawned on her that editor has done one?

rootypig Mon 21-Oct-13 05:48:26

I'm not sure Edith is pregnant you know. She looked too calm and happy coming back to Downton.

Loving the implication that pregnancy immediately induces a state of unrest totally borne out by my own experience grin

BranchingOut Mon 21-Oct-13 06:56:14

Maybe she went to the Dr to get 1920's contraceptive advice?

Also, back then pregnancy tests were not immediate - I think it involved injecting your urine into a frog. I learned this on MN, so it must be true.

Orianne Mon 21-Oct-13 08:30:22

Branching - and that is why I love MN

Chubfuddler Mon 21-Oct-13 09:19:13

I thought it was the ovaries extracted from a rabbit.

Chubfuddler Mon 21-Oct-13 09:19:36

Shame she didn't get the Marie stopes book off evil Edna

Davros Mon 21-Oct-13 11:14:13

When Edith turns out to be pg and turns to Mary for help what will happen after the Pamuk "affair"?!

eddiemairswife Mon 21-Oct-13 11:23:00

If a rabbit is injected with a pregnant woman's urine its ovaries become enlarged.(A female rabbit, obviously!) I didn't know this; I just Googled it.

Chubfuddler Mon 21-Oct-13 11:28:09

I hope Mary would tell her to get to fuck; but she wouldn't she's gone all nice. Remember what she said to Sybil
About marrying Tom: "whst did you think would happen, you'd marry the chauffeur and we'd all come to tea?"

Soft I tell you.

Ohnoididntdidi Mon 21-Oct-13 11:58:36

Please can someone tell me what happened in the last five minutes as I missed it due to turning over to 4+1 for homeland. Got to the bit where bates looked menacing with dramatic music. What happened next? Please?

Chubfuddler Mon 21-Oct-13 12:03:11

Bates has a new legal drama to embroil himself in, catch the rapist. But he and Anna are A1 again.

Ohnoididntdidi Mon 21-Oct-13 12:12:33

Thank what's this about Edith too? Just had a shot of her going into docs then back from London. What happened then?

qazxc Mon 21-Oct-13 12:22:33

FFS Bates! This is not about you! You are not the victim, Anna is!
Is him getting revenge more important than his DW, esp considering this exactly the sort of crap she was afraid of. i realise it's not true, honest!

Ohnoididntdidi Mon 21-Oct-13 12:41:10

Thank what's this about Edith too? Just had a shot of her going into docs then back from London. What happened then?

Ohnoididntdidi Mon 21-Oct-13 12:41:28

Oops posted twice

Chubfuddler Mon 21-Oct-13 12:58:25

We don't know for sure. Is she worried she's preggers or was it a red herring? Not established.

Anna is mercifully not pregnant was a result of the rape.

NigellasGhost Mon 21-Oct-13 14:20:25

I'm afraid I really cannot stand Bates OR Anna and I'm gutted that this story is going to run for 5 more weeks and into the Christmas special!

and I do hope Fellowes isn't going to put Mary and Pickle together, with their two sprogs, as a happy ending for dead Sybill or something.

AuntyEntropy Mon 21-Oct-13 14:28:02

I appreciate the way Uncle Julian has jumped through hoops to bring out Serial Killer Bates again while still leaving him sort-of sympathetic. If Anna had told Bates about the rape straight out, but begged him not to take revenge for her sake, then he'd lose the moral high ground by ignoring her. This way, they've never had the "please don't kill him, I can't bear to lose you" conversation, so he's free to do whatever he fancies.

I cannot imagine why Edith and her chap think that him becoming German so he can divorce his mad wife and marry her is going to go down anything other than appallingly badly with her family!! They have just had the first world war, and I cannot imagine that the Germans were at all popular in Britain at that time.

So - he chooses to become German - that will be unpopular, divorces his wife - still pretty scandalous at that time, I believe - and then she will marry him and it will all be utterly forgiven? I don't think so!!

If anything, it will be worse than Sybil marrying the chauffeur!

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 14:42:24

Hmm, I've heard that Branston gets a new possible love interest- do we do spoilers on this thread?

boogiewoogie Mon 21-Oct-13 14:51:57

Mary and Branson will not get together. That's a given. Her main suitors are Gillingham and Blake. Branson has a lot of respect for Mary and they are good as a platonic pair.

Bates won't succeed in killing Green. It will have to be someone "unexpected" for the twist in the plot. Still think Anna might kill him instead.

Edith's love affair is doomed. He's probably in a lot of trouble with debtors and they're coming after Edith instead. Poor Edith.

Did Jimmy tamper with Alfred's letter?

AuntyEntropy Mon 21-Oct-13 15:06:20

Maybe Bates could kill Green and Anna could take the blame? Or she and Mrs Hughes will cook up the perfect alibi for him (ideally framing Thomas in the process). Or, best of all, Bates and Anna will use Branston's tickets to Americe to flee the country, not pausing to let the door hit them on the arse on the way out (not huge Bates fan).

BranchingOut Mon 21-Oct-13 15:56:56

I don't really like the mad wife plot. I keep thinking of Charlotte Perkins Gilman's 'The Yellow Wallpaper'.

Is she really mad? How do we know? Is she being well treated in the asylum? And, what will happen to her if she is divorced?

BranchingOut Mon 21-Oct-13 15:58:33

I thought the Alfred plot was ludicrous - one minute he is struggling to make a white sauce, the next minute he is going for an interview to cook at the Ritz.

DreaduCated Mon 21-Oct-13 17:45:07

What if it's Thomas that somehow helps Anna/deals with Green? I feel like they're setting him up for something big, and the way he spoke about her, felt like it was setting the way for something.

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phantomnamechanger Mon 21-Oct-13 18:43:14

maybe Green dies in an accident but everyone suspects everyone else of having bumped him off?

DontmindifIdo Mon 21-Oct-13 18:48:36

I thought Thomas hasn't been nasty enough, although there's been lots of him getting himself in with the family and all forgetting his pervious shittiness, so hopefully something good. Just so long as it isn't yet another "Thomas' gaydar going wrong, him trying to get up close and personal with a straight man with dramatic consequences" storyline.

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Mon 21-Oct-13 20:50:38

yes, boogie-woogie yes...
the debt thing with Edith has set me thinking
Mary's reappeared suitor is some kind of forensic accountant, isn't he

investigating which old houses are affordable / war affects. sounds a bit unbelievable to me... are they investigating Editor...?

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Mon 21-Oct-13 20:52:53

I reckon Thomas will expose / 'get' Green
Mrs Hughes will suspect Anna and Bates
agree someone unexpected will leg it to America

GeorginaWorsley Mon 21-Oct-13 22:17:54

Maybe Edith to have her baby?!!
Am getting ahead of myself here....

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 21-Oct-13 22:56:23

He did say "Not exactly" or something about what they're doing there, so I'm not sure... maybe they'll find out about the cheque?

I liked Evelyn Napier though, I don't know why. Probably because he didn't really have a major storyline!

Could he marry Edith? He'd be the most 'suitable' husband out of all three girls then, none of those worrying middle class tendencies. Although he does have a job and "a boss".

DelphiSwimsLate Tue 22-Oct-13 00:36:47

Oops, didn't dawn on me for a second that Edith might be happy about being preg! grin Jeeze she really does have her head in the clouds if she thinks it's all hunky dory.

I'm sure I read somewhere that all the main characters in this series have also signed up for series 5. That might give some clues as to who's staying/going...if it's true of course.

boogiewoogie Tue 22-Oct-13 23:36:11

Slightly off topic but does anybody else think that Michelle Dockery reminds them of Rosamund Pike? Their voices are quite similar and www.zimbio.com/photos/Michelle+Dockery/Rosamund+Pike this picture shows that they have similar facial features when they smile. Rosamund could easily pass as her sister.

GeorginaWorsley Wed 23-Oct-13 11:07:25

According to celeb magazines Edith is pregnant.

Yes to Rosamund Pike. And yes to Edith upduffed. Uh oh.

grimbletart Wed 23-Oct-13 18:48:20

Maybe Bates will fixate on some innocent individual as the rapist and go after him...that will leave Anna and Mrs Hughes in deep do-do.

anonacfr Wed 23-Oct-13 20:00:12

Bates is a creepy wife beater (and murderer). I thought he was great in the first season and then they showed him all vicious and threatening calling his wife a bitch.
There was no way he could come back from that and become a romantic figure.
His reaction to Anna's rape has been chilling. It's telling that she's come across as almost more traumatised about his reaction to it than the rape itself. And the way he lied to her? So calculating and scary.

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:40:44

ooh remember the random working class guy who thought Rose was a maid? maybe he'll reappear and be framed as the rapist

maybe Edith will sell her baby to pay off editor's debt

It's 1922 ish so no direct war link immediately with Germany? wonder why he's gone there. was there skulduggery after WW1 there? where is his loony wife> maybe Edith will seek her out with her new journalistic skillz

Am I the only person who finds Lady Mary's style of speaking really irritating? Monotonous but with a very modern rising inflection at the end of most sentences..

Merguez Fri 25-Oct-13 16:41:20

Sweetest you are not wrong.

DreaduCated Fri 25-Oct-13 17:05:57

So did Bates actually kill his wife? I only got into DA later on, an never properly caught up.

NewtRipley Fri 25-Oct-13 18:06:43

Sweetest

I think it's because she

a) can't act

or

b) can't deal with the poor writing

Haven't quite worked out which it is yet

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 25-Oct-13 20:45:24

unsure if he really killed her, did they leave it a bit ambiguously? or did he do it and have a good lawyer/anna looking for holes?

MissMarplesBloomers Fri 25-Oct-13 20:57:31

I think Michele Dockery has a natural estuary English accent so that montotone drawl is all she can do in the way of "posh"

I don't think Bates DID do the first Mrs B in, although he might have wanted to & probably was violent towards her. He was proper creepy at the end of the last episode.

I agree Green will get done over at some point possibly by Thomas or someone to do with him, and as ever Mrs H will Know a Lot More Than She Lets on ......thlwink

NigellasGhost Fri 25-Oct-13 21:30:47

don't they teach them anything at acting school?

mazylou Sat 26-Oct-13 00:51:07

I saw Michelle Dockery do Eliza in Pygmalion long before she landed Downton and she is actually a really excellent actress. I think she is ill-served by Uncle Julian.

NewtRipley Sat 26-Oct-13 15:02:24

mazy

Good to hear that. It's soooo badly written and plotted. I will go away though because I know my moaning is probably annoying to people who still like Downston

NewtRipley Sat 26-Oct-13 15:02:39

or even Downton

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 26-Oct-13 21:30:13

I am enjoying her purple silk blousons though, and large eyebrows

FlabbyAdams Sun 27-Oct-13 10:57:00

Am just catching up with some Downton.

What has happened to Mr Bates in this series? He has become an annoying shit. Pisses me right off every time I see his leather skinned potato head on my screen. Is it just me or does he annoy anyone else?

Can't bear this storyline being dragged out.

I reckon Edith is upduffed but what about her man - whats he upto? Something dodgy!!

tribpot Sun 27-Oct-13 21:03:18

Chaffinch, the Dastardly Editor has gone to Germany because you're allowed to divorce lunatics there. Whether you're allowed to divorce non-German lunatics has not been discussed - surely Mrs Dastardly has the right of protection under the law in her own country?

Bates is a bit superfluous this series, but then he has been hogging all the storylines up until now.

FreyaFridays Sun 27-Oct-13 21:05:09

Major emergency, my bloody television is NOT. WORKING. Will be watching here for detailed updates instead!

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:05:14

Preggers Edith has no letters

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:05:48

That's it bates. Make it all about you.

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:06:49

Rose is completely pointless isn't she?

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FlabbyAdams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:07:55

Who is this comedy Butler? - he reminds me of Churchill the dog from the advert!

BOF Sun 27-Oct-13 21:09:01

DYING at "We haven't done much with pigs yet"...oh, wait until Charlie Brooker starts writing the scripts...grin

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:09:18

Why is Isobel so cross about pegg when she doesn't give a fuck about molsley?

I missed last week. What's the story with Thomas and the new lady's maid?

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:09:54

Oh it is the band with the leader she wants to shag

Oh dear

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Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:11:28

Oooooh

Clearly it is her own butler. He'll get sacked and molsley will get the job

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 21:12:24

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FreyaFridays Sun 27-Oct-13 21:12:46

Successfully fixed the television myself, boo-yah!

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:12:58

I don't understand whst the fuck her family think is the deal with her and wannabe hun

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:13:31

Is daisy attempting some acting?

BOF Sun 27-Oct-13 21:14:05

I'm still worried that Sweaty Bates will give that sacked lad a twatting sad

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 21:14:19

Poor old Daisy!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:14:47

I think Ivy's acting's worse...

Yep, we'll have a shock black man at Downton.

FreyaFridays Sun 27-Oct-13 21:17:06

Oooh, now that we're on a break, would someone kindly give me a quick bullet point synopsis of the first ten mins? I fixed the telly just as Alfred got his Ritz letter after all (oh so dramatic, Fellowes).

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:17:55

Do they Michael's just her boss or something? Or are they ignoring him in the hope he'll go away?

I suppose they don't realise all they've been up to though- she only really sees him in London.

Sleepyhoglet Sun 27-Oct-13 21:21:54

Just can't like bates.

Sleepyhoglet Sun 27-Oct-13 21:23:58

Ouch. Daisy and Alfred.

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:24:56

I'm confused. This is the biggest drama on tv. Why couldn't they hire actors who could act?

Caught in the act sprat

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 21:26:31

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Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:26:56

I'm so confused.

BOF Sun 27-Oct-13 21:27:11

"Speculate to accumulate” (that is, “take chances to win big") appears to have started in gambling and was cited by Broadway scribe Walter Winchell by 1941. The phrase is more popular in England than in the United States. The English comic novelist P. G. Wodehouse (1881-1975) wrote, in 1924, that “If you don’t speculate, you can’t accumulate.”

The Sheik was released in 1921.

Ha! Another Fellowes anachronism. Although it's not as bad as last season's howler "big girl's blouse", which was coined in the 1960s.

Snargaluff Sun 27-Oct-13 21:27:15

I just looked away- where did she find the knife?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:28:09

Down the side of the chair.

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:28:38

Why has the doctor been dragged into this?

Snargaluff Sun 27-Oct-13 21:28:49

Ah. Thank you

claretandamberforever Sun 27-Oct-13 21:29:06

It was conveniently found down the side of the chair in which Isabel had parked her detective inspector's arse.

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:31:12

Why is lady Grantham eating in a restaurant?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:31:28

Aargh, my signals dropped out.

<re-tunes>

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:31:55

Committee something-or-other I think Chub

claretandamberforever Sun 27-Oct-13 21:32:30

That was too fast for me. Is Edith upduffed?

CrazyOldCatLady Sun 27-Oct-13 21:32:35

Bates is going to kill the maitre whotsit for dessert.

Yup, Edith's bumpy.

Snargaluff Sun 27-Oct-13 21:32:35

Oh edith

Chubfuddler Sun 27-Oct-13 21:32:52

Oh

What the fuck was the letter? Preg test result?

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 21:32:58

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FreyaFridays Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:11

I caught "symptoms consistent with..."

FlabbyAdams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:23

Yep - upduffed!! Didnt see that one coming, did we????

GeorginaWorsley Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:26

So it's true.
Edith up duffed.
Love the dowager and Mrs Crawley scenes!

Sleepyhoglet Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:27

PREGNANT

ProphetOfDoom Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:34

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BrandNewPrimate Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:40

Sorry to intrude but I missed the letter, what did it say please?

DelphiSwimsLate Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:59

She's preg!

FlabbyAdams Sun 27-Oct-13 21:34:02

It said symptoms consistent with 1st trimester of pregnancy.

senmerrygoround Sun 27-Oct-13 21:34:26

I came on here specially to see if anybody read what was in the letter. Thank you! flowers

GeorginaWorsley Sun 27-Oct-13 21:34:32

Doctor and Isobel will end up together I think.