Great British Bake Off, who will win??!

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Are we still loving GBBO?? Who is your favourite to win? I change my mind every week, love Mel and Sue tho!! grin

deepfriedsage Thu 03-Oct-13 18:12:36

Style over substance or the older blonde.

Kimberley. Although I do like christine.

roguepixie Thu 03-Oct-13 18:14:36

Kimberly...if Paul can control himself and not just award the whole thing to Ruby because she flutters her eyelashes!!

LaVitaBellissima Thu 03-Oct-13 18:16:41

I like Ruby smile

I was thinking Ruby but she's starting to annoy me with her pouting, and 'winging it' [hmmm] maybe kimberly

Gingerandcocoa Thu 03-Oct-13 18:37:53

I want Christine to win!!!

Ruby would have been my favourite if it wasn't for Paul drooling over her, it's making me sick!

ShatnersBassoon Thu 03-Oct-13 18:39:25

Christine is a safe pair of hands. She's Mary Berry 20 years ago.

Not keen on Ruby with the "I haven't got a clue what I'm doing," routine. It's boring now. First it was because of exams (fair enough), now it's because she got a new cat confused

stringornothing Thu 03-Oct-13 18:44:47

So tough to call. Kimberley has been the front runner all series, but the judges seem to be getting bored. I think perhaps the storyline is heading for Frances - bear in mind that this has been edited after the final result is known, so if Ruby puts salt instead of sugar in her final showstopper or Christine runs amok with a blowtorch, they'd edit it to make it look as if it were building up to this all along.

Rhubarbgarden Thu 03-Oct-13 19:26:39

Ruby. I think she's genuinely talented, despite the eyelash batting.

I also think ruby is talented

I'd be going with Kimberley if she could have done pastry

Christine is flawless classics that taste delicious I guess - but really sadly is too dull to win

deepfriedsage Thu 03-Oct-13 20:45:18

It would be nice to smell and taste. Not so much the undercooked or salted instead of sugared bakes.

Relaxedandhappyperson Thu 03-Oct-13 20:47:16

Oh god, not Ruby. Pretending to think she's useless to get the sympathy vote from Paul.

Frances or Kimberley to win I think.

fossil971 Thu 03-Oct-13 20:49:40

At the moment it could go any way. I would love it if Becca or Frances won TBH.

Interesting that last year's final was all-male but this year there are only women in the last 5.

I want Becca to win, she's been steady all the way through. Kimberly is too confident, Christine has made too many mistakes with basic stuff, I'm getting annoyed with Ruby's hanging of her head and the style over substance woman is too particular with what everything looks like. She'd be my second choice though.

I don't know all their names, but I think it will be the flustered one. They always seem to choose someone who has been "on a journey" and learnt the most, rather than the best baker.

Katisha Fri 04-Oct-13 13:40:27

I hope it will be Kimberley - I think she's being briefed against in the editing at the moment. But it could be ruby because both judges are patently v keen on her.

chocoluvva Fri 04-Oct-13 13:44:33

They all seem amazingly good. Tough call!

Oblomov Fri 04-Oct-13 16:02:05

Kimberley or Ruby.
probably Kimberly. Because Ruby lacks the self confidence that Kimberley has.

Lottapianos Fri 04-Oct-13 16:05:07

Hope it will be Kimberley or Becca. Ruby's Princess Di act is getting really old

PumpUpMyVolume Fri 04-Oct-13 17:52:40

Hmmmm, I would like it to be Christine but I think Ruby will take it as she is young and talented - although not sure if she's the best. It will all come down to the final show though which is a shame but what happened last year..

Hmm not sure. Ruby is really getting on my nerves now, she seems very fake. Kimberly seems a bit smug, also getting irritating. Christine is too 'safe', I'd like either Becka or Frances to win I think.

INeedThatForkOff Sat 05-Oct-13 02:18:56

Ugh. Is Kimberley the one who keeps congratulating herself'

'Wow, that's really good custard'.

I can really believe that she asked for an upgrade to first class a few weeks back for winning baker of the week. Very annoying.

Ruby is very clever and obviously works extremely hard to perfect her recipes. I don't understand why she keeps pretending to be surprised when her stuff comes out well - she clearly practices and perfects as much as possible in advance. She is doing herself a disservice by pretending to be ditsy when she clearly isn't.
Unfortunately, she is coming over as the sort of woman who bats her eyelashes at a big stwong man. Which is infuriating to watch.

I like Becca best - but mostly because I can imagine having a laugh with her - the rest of them seem a bit too intense.

stringornothing Sat 05-Oct-13 08:24:49

I like Becca's personality too.

Kimberley doesn't seem to have a screen personality beyond "really really good at baking". That should be enough of course because it's not a public vote, but I hope we are shown a bit more of her home life when we move in to the quarter finals.

dementedma Sat 05-Oct-13 21:46:11

I like Becca best but think Kimberley will win it

Chewbecca Sat 05-Oct-13 21:50:28

France's IF she keeps up the substance that she showed this week to go with her style.

Kimberley 2nd.

Christine is great but not exciting enough. Beca is great but not polished enough. Ruby is just ANNOYING ( I know that's not actually relevant)

Chewbecca Sat 05-Oct-13 21:51:13

And yes, I laugh out loud at Mel n Sue every week, which is always a pleasant surprise for a baking show!

bigbadbarry Sat 05-Oct-13 22:06:27

Ruby, because they will have half an eye on who will sell well afterwards and go down well at the good food show and suchlike.
Agree the drooping has to stop. Paul lurves her.
I'd like Beca or Frances to win.

stringornothing Sun 06-Oct-13 00:09:42

I noticed in the newsagent that one of the gossip rags has a GBBO story on the cover: "Ruby says "Shut it you slag!"" Or something like that. If anyone is going to the hairdresser/doctor's surgery in the next week can they read it and report back please?

rootypig Sun 06-Oct-13 00:19:09

Kimberly is sooooo full of herself. This week I got well hacked off with all her conspiratorial master classes while she was baking. And she doesn't actually usually do that well in the technical. Anyway whoever edits it obvs doesn't like her because they keep splicing in shots of her looking grumpy when anyone else does well grin

I think Ruby has more talent and maybe I'm naive but don't think her lack of confidence is an act. Paul's dribbling over her is revolting but not her fault.

Love Christine, especially the sense that she is at times teetering on the brink of sanity grin

Beca isn't good enough, imo, but Frances is growing on me and the things she makes (I refuuuuuuse to say 'bakes') are improving! Was sweet to see her get star baker.

Love Bake Off grin grin

rootypig Sun 06-Oct-13 00:20:37

INeedThatForkOff yes!!!! totally agree

She is so fecking smug.

chocoluvva Sun 06-Oct-13 08:17:57

I refuuuuuse to say 'bakes'. Me too. It's very irritating.

'The 'bake' is good' indeed. Just tell the contestant they chose the correct temperature and managed to take it out of the oven at the right time.

I love Mel and Sue too. Mel is so motherly. I love the way they don't take it too seriously.

chocoluvva Sun 06-Oct-13 08:24:23

I'm extremely impressed with the presentation of the baking and clever ideas. I enjoy baking, but I often have to promise that it tastes better than it looks and find one of my DC to vouch for me. blush

I sit there on Tuesday evenings exclaiming, "Look at thaaaat. Look, quick, look! OMG where do they get their ideas from - that's amazing."

MavisGrind Sun 06-Oct-13 08:26:16

Kimberly is annoying the hell out of me with her smugness. She also describes what she's doing as if she's already fronting her own programme, which grates with me.
Ruby needs to stop simpering but is a talented baker. I'd like Becca to win as she strikes me as a solid 'family' baker which no doubt spawn a post-show book
But I miss Glen and Howard. They should have been in longer. hmm

Mummybookworm Sun 06-Oct-13 08:27:44

Beca to win definitely. What was that about Kimberley asking for an upgrade Ineedthatforkoff?

Auntidote Sun 06-Oct-13 08:33:21

But Mavis, Glen and Howard just weren't that good. Though they were good tv.

MavisGrind Sun 06-Oct-13 08:42:15

I know, I know Auntidote. grin <misses point of the entire show>

invicta Sun 06-Oct-13 08:46:29

I like Frances, and maybe Becca. I liked Kimberley early on. Ruby and Christine annoy me. If I had to name one, I would go,for Frances.

neffi Sun 06-Oct-13 09:24:53

I really like Becca and would like to see her win but think it will be Ruby or Kimberley.

rootypig Sun 06-Oct-13 18:09:55

Kimberly is annoying the hell out of me with her smugness. She also describes what she's doing as if she's already fronting her own programme, which grates with me.

Yes yes yes Mavis, you have it there. I am not the sort of person who ever has a masterplan so I find it difficult to attribute one to others, but I do think she is using Bake Off to create her persona or something? well it's not working love, you're just not that interesting. <childish>

I'm surprised by all the Beca love here actually. She sounds like she needs to blow her nose. More importantly, I've never seen her make anything that made me think, she's very talented. Unlike Ruby and Christine and Frances and ok, ok, Kimberly.

JassyRadlett Sun 06-Oct-13 18:32:22

With the editing they seem to be setting it up as a Christine/Kimberley showdown.

I don't mind Kimberley though I think she became hugely overconfident in the first few weeks. Hard to tell how much of her 'narration' is down to the producers prompting her to say what she's doing.

I think Beca's actually really settled into it - and I like Ruby and Frances as well. Christine for some reason irritates me a bit, but I can't put my finger on why.

LazyGaga Sun 06-Oct-13 18:35:01

Beca really irritates me - I've noticed a few eye rolly expressions from her in the background when other people are talking about themselves. I reckon she could be a bit two faced. I don't mind Ruby; I think Paul and Sue P both have the hots for her tbh.

Christine and Mary B seem to be rubbing eachother up the wrong way in an ever so genteel, well mannered way. Kimberly is a bit full of herself and doesn't take criticism well.

I do quite like Frances, she has times when she's perched on her stool where she looks completely stoned out of her mind: I find it quite entertaining.

mignonette Sun 06-Oct-13 18:36:30

I know who wins wink because of an indiscreet employee on GBBO!. I won't tell. It has spoiled it a little for me I must say.

rootypig Sun 06-Oct-13 18:38:03

Waaaaaah mignonette! I want to know! no I don't. yes I do! wah! I am the sort of person who reads the last page of a book when I am halfway through

If it's been decided how on earth would they keep it secret?!?

Surely it would leak out

The same way they keep the winner of masterchef secret - by making everyone sign to promise they will keep mum.

Really? confused

I'm really surprised since this country is leakier than a sieve

You can't keep anything secret never mind a baking show winner!

harryhausen Sun 06-Oct-13 19:09:42

Becca for me.

Kimberly is getting too cocky by saying things like "oh this is quite straight forward" and "this is simply X or Y by another name" in the technical.

Ruby's 'clueless' doe-eyed kookiness is grating on me.

mignonette Sun 06-Oct-13 19:23:18

They haven't kept it secret because I know. I won't tell you Rooty because I too am a last page of the book reader/Christmas gift rattler but it has spoiled it for me and it will you.

rootypig Sun 06-Oct-13 19:56:18

Very very wise mignonette. I will be thinking about it for the next four weeks

Tell me! I'm actually getting bored with it so don't really care apart from being a last chapter reader too!

Floralnomad Sun 06-Oct-13 21:22:45

In our house its certainly now a case of who we dislike least as opposed to who we like most ! shame because it does make it less interesting when you're not really rooting for any of them .

I want Kimberley to win but I reckon Ruby will. I don't think K is smug either-I think it's the way it's being edited.

demisemiquaver Mon 07-Oct-13 09:04:28

am also thinking kim may being 'edited' [and is prob just answering questions that we dont see]...poss also ruby BUT am glad to see folk warming to frances who I think was slagged off too much before ........have to say tho' that I dont think paul "drools over" ruby, nor that she flutters her eyelashes at him specially.... what I like about this prog is that its about the baking really

mignonette Mon 07-Oct-13 09:21:56

Demise A GBBO producer posted on the other GBBO thread that Kimberley is responding to questions as opposed to conducting her own mini TV show within a show.

I like her and think she is being judged very harshly. Confidence, authority and ambition in women is often judged more harshly than in men.

Paul doesn't drool over Ruby. That is nonsense. He was barely weeks into a shattered marriage when this was filmed.

I like Frances too.

areyoutheregoditsmemargaret Mon 07-Oct-13 10:06:39

I like Christine. She's a good egg. She rarely goes wrong. However, she'll be a victim of ageism.

If not, Kimberley or Frances. Definitely not Beca, she's never done anything interesting, just solid.

mignonette Mon 07-Oct-13 10:22:10

Find the criticism of Christine doing 'boring' or basic' bakes a bit off when all chefs/bakers know that the test of competence is to bake a 'classic' well. The Omelette, boiled eggs and Victoria Sponge has been the undoing of many a chef/cook/baker because you cannot disguise a poor result.

It annoys me a bit that Kimberley is being slated for being confident. They all must think they're good otherwise they wouldn't have applied. Ruby must be right then, simpering and playing down your abilities is the way to go...

qazxc Mon 07-Oct-13 11:06:25

Christine should have gone last week really, her loaf was so raw they couldn't taste it. and this week she was last on technical challenge. so i think she should go next.

mignonette Mon 07-Oct-13 12:12:23

Unfortunately our culture seems to encourage women to downplay their abilities and criticises women who appear confident. Self deprecation is a learned response to this I think.

LazyGaga Mon 07-Oct-13 14:56:31

Hmm I do know where you're coming from mignonette, however I don't like arrogance in a man either. I actually like a bit of self- depracation, makes people seem more likeable and human, for want of a better word.

Then again people who blatantly fish for compliments and put themselves down when they're patently very good at something get on my nerves, so I'm obviously a fussy blighter.

I thought Glenn had a great personality, just a shame his baking couldn't match up!

LazyGaga Mon 07-Oct-13 14:57:05

deprecation obv.

mignonette Mon 07-Oct-13 15:06:30

I liked Glenn too. Yes I agree that a little self deprecation can be likeable too and it can help smooth ruffled feathers. I think sometimes it is used to pre-empt and defuse envy in others, especially by Women. This is a different kind of self deprecation than the fishing for compliments kind do you think Lazy?

HowlerMonkey Mon 07-Oct-13 15:16:03

I actually think Ruby may have major issues with confidence and that she tells everyone it's rubbish so that if/when they go 'Oh god, yes it is' she won't feel so bad because she predicted they would and so now no-one's too disappointed because they all expected her to be crap.

Not that I used to do that all the time or anything..... sad

Or, y'know, she could just be a bit of a faker. One or the other.

mignonette Mon 07-Oct-13 17:59:07

Yes it could well be self defence on Ruby's part. Either way at just 20 years of age, the benefit of the doubt should be given.

Auntidote Mon 07-Oct-13 20:27:25

Just watching last week's again. My goodness Ruby is annoying - saying how she hates it and is too stressed. So, um, why did she enter?

maggiethecat Mon 07-Oct-13 20:41:46

Think self deprecation should be banned! See too many children growing up with this inhibiting characteristic.

maggiethecat Mon 07-Oct-13 20:43:31

People often dislike the Americans for their lack of it but good on them I say.

rootypig Mon 07-Oct-13 21:07:42

aw no Auntidote I don't agree. I thought she was in a genuine flap. And I loved Mel telling her to get a ruddy grip smile

Maybe I identify because I am weirdly compelled to bake though I find it fucking stressful

Sparklyboots Mon 07-Oct-13 21:35:39

Nothing weird about the compulsion to bake - it does so often involve cake-eating that a bit of stress is hardly a deterrent...

I'm rooting for Kimberly because I think she's probably the best and I think she's not being anything but honest. I do find Ruby difficult to like because something doesn't quite ring true in her way of presenting herself. Accept that that may be a lack of confidence but it doesn't play well AFAIC. There was a bit of an embarrassing moment when Paul seemed inordinately concerned about her managing something but she's terrifically young;they're probably all feeling a bit more like encouraging/ protecting her rather than challenging her.

I like watching it in betting mode, sort of spotting the successful ones before the 'bake' (sorry) as it were. My dad was a baker which makes me slightly an unbearable know-it-all about it. His extremely favourable assessment of Paul Hollywood ("he's not bad, him") gives the whole thing real creditability in our family.

waikikamookau Tue 08-Oct-13 07:53:26

did not ruby from the first episode - oh she's a student and they are all so kindly towards her, her very first bake off wasn't even good but Paul undoubtedly liked her.
kimberely is good, as is Francis, and Christine, hey they are ALL very good.
kept thinking Becca would go and I think she will soon, oth they do all seem very equal.

I'm rooting for Francis at the moment. She seems to have really improved as the series has progressed.

I've tried to give Ruby the benefit of the doubt but she is very annoying. When she got in a flap and said she needed talking to, Mel was already helping someone fill a piping bag. I thought that was quite rude.

PlumpkinPie Tue 08-Oct-13 17:13:10

I've stopped watching it because Ruby's behaviour grates so much! I hope it's Kimberly (or anyone rather than Ruby) and then I'll be able to watch all the recorded episodes.

PlumpkinPie Tue 08-Oct-13 17:14:18

BTW Last years winners did his finals during the bake off and they didn't make nearly as much hooha about him!

mignonette Tue 08-Oct-13 17:53:20

Yes Plump and most of the other competitors hold down FT jobs, raise children and run their homes. Danny was a CCU Consultant FFS and made no mention of her stress levels.

However it is the nature of the Young Adult to have little or no sense of 1) proportion and 2) empathy so obviously Ruby sees her own situation as infinitely worse than anybody else's.

She'll grow out of it.

bigbadbarry Tue 08-Oct-13 18:44:45

Oh but poooooor Ruby doesn't even have a desk (cue yet another shot of her studying cool, funky and cross-legged in the middle of the floor.)

LazyGaga Tue 08-Oct-13 19:34:41

It's all in the editing really - they show Kimberley being uber (can't find umlaut) confident "Oh well, this will be straight forward/ this is just like doing XYZ" and then she doesn't actually produce the goods.

It's like when Glenn finished his pastry show stopper, camera cut to him saying "We'll, I've definitely done enough to stay in." I thought then, he's going to be booted off in five minutes!

dementedma Tue 08-Oct-13 23:21:55

Kimberley is the best baker in it.
Ruby's effort tonight was a lopsided mess yet they all praised it to the skies.
Sorry that Christine went - I liked her.

I don't like Kimberley, she seems to think she deserves to win and I like the face she makes when they tell her it tastes shite smile

Ruby seems to get the benefit of the doubt all the time because of her looks which isn't really fair.

Frances annoys me as she is like a cute puppy that pees on your shoes and then wonders why you don't love her.

So, for me it has to be Becca but she probably isn't the best baker grin

that's probably Ruby

maggiethecat Wed 09-Oct-13 00:37:55

Kimberley clearly most talented - you trust her to deliver.

rootypig Wed 09-Oct-13 00:38:53

LazyGaga defo agree with your about the editing - I wondered who Kimberly had pissed off to make her look so sulky grin But as much as the producers will have a 'story' in mind, I do think like slendergirl her reactions to criticism speak volumes. And I know I harp on about this but she never does that well in the technical!

Based on the judges' reactions to the things that they make, I think Ruby and Christine are the best all round bakers. But they both have temperament issues. Kimberly is like a machine. Frances is also very steady.

Not to take it too seriously or anything grin

rootypig Wed 09-Oct-13 00:40:10

Oh I've just realised it's Tuesday and I haven't watched today's! (am in the US, it's still the afternoon)

pretends not to have seen dementedma's comment

rootypig Wed 09-Oct-13 00:43:22

Oh no Mel and Sue can't say quarter! 'kawter'. I hate that.

It's a measure of how much I love them that I am willing to overlook it for the first time ever grin

How do you say 'quarter', root? I'm now saying it repeatedly out loud...

she seems to think she deserves to win

No shit Sherlock. Really? In a baking competition?

And you think the one that isn't the best baker deserves to win? Right....

It's a shame Christine went out. She was a good solid baker, she just didn't go for big impact.

BloodiedGhouloshes Wed 09-Oct-13 07:42:54

I was going to say Ruby. Watched it for the first time properly (have only dipped in and out before) and I feel certain that within two seconds of this show finishing she will have a series regardless of her baking skills as she is just SO pretty.

rootypig Wed 09-Oct-13 07:52:51

kwarter, barking grin

maybe I should spell the way they say it cort-er? does that make sense? it's the 'wuh' sound they're missing. Infuriating.

Back to Bake Off proper: I thought Ruby was a tad annoying this week. But Kimberly really is pissy when she gets criticism, no editor could make that face up. Like a smacked arse! And I was really cross that Frances got such a going over. Her show stopper was amazing! I thought she was right to be upset by the judging. Mary and Christine defo had animosity, and Mary I think favours Ruby, probably because she meets her idea of retiring femininity tries to erase vile Mary Berry DM interviews from mind

Anyway all that aside, I still think Ruby's bizarrely consistent performance in the technical points to her being a v. good baker.

Ruby's bakes were very good last night - that shed was really charming and characterful

I love beca's face when she got criticism last night - she's a proper good baker and when they praised something insignificant about the mouse cake and then said her cake was bland you could see her face thinking:

'The ducking point of cake is that it takes nice!!
Fuck, fuck, arse!'

Ruby to win, she's the best.

Kimberley's pesto and Parma ham thing looked amazing - how on earth could it not have tasted good

That's what I mean about Kimberley, she comes up with something "unique" and then thinks that because she gets praise for that that she should win, but often it isn't baked well or doesn't taste good and her face is almost angry with the judges. So, I don't like her.

Ruby is probably the most naturally talented, but I think I'd probably rather eat becca's food.

StainlessSteelBegonia Wed 09-Oct-13 08:15:00

Kimberley to win for me. She's competent and confident, and she's an achiever - she doesn't like to mess up. She looks like she'd be fun to hang out with.

Ruby seems like a sweetie and a good baker, but I do think her nerves undermine her. I think she's been let off lightly in the judging a couple of times, while Christine (for example) was definitely judged more harshly.

Francis is still struggling with making food that taste as good as it looks. And Becca - well, I wonder if Becca is a better baker than we're actually seeing. I don't think I've actually seen a serious screw-up from her (other than her veg cake flavour last night), but she never seems to do as well in the judging as the others.

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 09-Oct-13 08:16:08

I think the problem is, Kimberly and Frances had cakes which looked good but tasted poo. Ruby's looked alright and tasted amazing. Which is what she normally does (she hasn't been a big one for presentation all the way through, she's definitely been substance over style). This isn't a design competition it's a baking competition. And she is clearly the best baker even though Frances is clearly the best designer. They should go into business together, Frances designing what the stuff should look like and Ruby deciding what it should taste like and doing the actual cooking.

I don't know, but I suspect that Ruby is wearing contacts and that's why she blinks a lot. She's far less flirty than Kimberly but Kimberly's flirt ones is interspersed with mega sulking. So it's less obvious. Ruby has been star baker 3 times now, which must indicate something.

chocoluvva Wed 09-Oct-13 08:33:10

Ruby and her lack of confidence? Hmm, I expect her lack of confidence in her ability to bake is what inspired her to enter a baking competition. hmm

My teenage DD hopes she'll win.

mignonette Wed 09-Oct-13 08:34:27

None of them are particularly likable in the editing but it is a baking contest not Miss Congeniality. We are still judging Women by the wrong criteria!

chocoluvva Wed 09-Oct-13 08:35:20

When the contestant who was going out was announced, DD commented that they'd now all begin to cry! Cue shots of a row of tearful bakers. smile

PestoSpookissimos Wed 09-Oct-13 08:45:04

Ruby will win - she's luffly

And good at baking too grin

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 09-Oct-13 08:52:54

Ruby obviously should win. She's been star baker 3 times and should've been last week too. She's really good.

nipersvest Wed 09-Oct-13 09:32:47

have i fallen into the trap of believing what i see on the tv?, because i'll be annoyed if ruby wins as the show has been edited to highlight blatant favouritism from paul towards her. she could serve up a dog poo on a plate and still be star baker.

LazyGaga Wed 09-Oct-13 11:09:30

To be fair Ruby gets high praise in the signature bake when the judges don't know who's done what.

I reckon it's going to be:

1. Ruby
2. Kimberley
3. Frances
4. Beca

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 09-Oct-13 11:38:41

She has by far the best record in the blind tasting technical challenge - won it twice, come second once, third twice. Kimberly has won it once and come second and third once each. I think that's significant.

chocoluvva Wed 09-Oct-13 12:14:04

They should probably do all the tastings blind IMO.

LazyGaga Wed 09-Oct-13 12:58:14

Oops Yes it's the technical that's judged blind, I
said signature.

There could be no accusations of bias if they were all blind tasted chocluvva, though it would then put an end to Paul and Mary wandering around, interrogating chatting to the contestants, with Paul giving it "Oh, you're doing it like that are you? Really? hmm".

chocoluvva Wed 09-Oct-13 13:23:56

Ah yes and MB pursing her lips in disapproval, anticipating saying 'I told you so'. Still love it all though.

chocoluvva Wed 09-Oct-13 13:25:09

Did I really hear PH describe the 'cheesecake' as "simple"? Eh? I'd be beyond delighted if I'd made anything remotely like that!

Lottapianos Wed 09-Oct-13 15:26:30

I thought Paul and Mary were a right pair of sour old buggers in the showstopper round last night. Becca, Frances and Christine all looked devastated sad

And yes he did describe the 'cheese' cake as 'simple' hmm Miserable git

Yes I thought Mary was a bit of a catsbum mouth last night.

ithaka Wed 09-Oct-13 15:41:27

But none of this explains why neither Paul nor Mary made one comment or remark or even appeared to notice how shoddy & amateurish Ruby's cake looked.

Yes, I will believe it tasted the best. But it looked like the sort of cake I knock up with a child's help. All the other contestants were held to a far higher standard than that.

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 09-Oct-13 15:50:43

But they did comment on the shed etc. Mary specifically commented on the skill involved in tempering the chocolate.

ithaka Wed 09-Oct-13 15:57:55

Yes, but she didn't comment that the shed was lopsided and the whole cake looked messy.

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Wed 09-Oct-13 16:09:44

I think it will be Becca. She's very consistent and delivers well each week. I dont think it will be kimberley or frances. My prediction is ruby and becca for final.

And she's welsh cake

IsabelleRinging Wed 09-Oct-13 16:13:57

Ruby will win as it looks like it's being engineered that way. I bet the bbc boffins have their eye on the money they can make out of her after she wins. Being so photogenic is good for the viewing figures.

Yes but Rubys voice is so monotone and boring, don't think she'd make good tv on her own, will be pretty on a book cover tho hmm

RussiansOnTheSpree Wed 09-Oct-13 16:30:30

I think these comments about Ruby's looks are really unfair. Kimberly is also very very pretty. And Ruby has by far the best performance in the blind tasting bit - the technical challenge. She is clearly the best baker, which isn't to say she will win since each week it's just on that week, but she has been 'placed' in the tech challenge 5 times, which is way more than any of the others. And she's won it twice. This is clearly the most significant point and one which many people seem to be wilfully ignoring.

This may be back tracking and influenced by the editing but when you see the technicals been judged it is fairly obviously looking at the contestants faces who the item belongs to. My husband and I even have a little guessing game of our own- he doesn't really watch it and I need to get new glasses.

mignonette Thu 10-Oct-13 09:49:39

Why are you all judging these women on their LOOKS?

It is a baking competition.

None of the men last year had such comments made so pointedly about their looks or voices as some kind of criteria for winning.

BloodiedGhouloshes Thu 10-Oct-13 10:40:13

Speaking personally, it is because I feel a little bit cynical. I think Ruby is outstandingly pretty, and feel a bit suspicious that as soon as the comp is over she is going to have her own show, book deals etc. Because of her looks.

mignonette Thu 10-Oct-13 10:44:06

I get that Bloodied but nothing like that was said about the men last year. Not to the same degree and their baking was always the primary debate. Women are being judged here on how they look rather then what they do. If that is what the producers and judges of GBBO are engaged in then the show will suffer in the long run.

I probably won't bother watching any more because this series has been really marred by the kind of comments made about the contestants, it has been marred by PH and I was told who had won so that kind of shot the rat out of the spout!

BloodiedGhouloshes Thu 10-Oct-13 10:48:34

See, I am agreeing with you really.

(who won? ) Pretty please. smile

mignonette Thu 10-Oct-13 10:51:20

I can't Bloodied because I think if it gets back to the employee who snitched (and it is a small world on here and traceable, at least I probably am) then they're out of a job. Nobody but nobody is indispensable. I shouldn't have run my mouth off about it but you know how it is smile.

Not long to wait!

RussiansOnTheSpree Thu 10-Oct-13 10:55:12

Mignonette - If someone has told you who has won (and bear in mind - they might not have told the truth. I have friends who work on a very high profile show and the amount of disinformation that is purposely spread round beggars belief) that's not the fault of the show, but the individual who blabbed. PH has not marred the show this year, nor has any of the contestants. The only people who have been 'marring' things are the nutters who chose to take issue with the fact that a reasonable looking young woman happens to be shit hot at baking, when they would prefer the winner to be someone else.

mignonette Thu 10-Oct-13 11:30:04

Who and what we think has marred the show is subjective Russian and it really isn't for another person to tell me what and who has marred the show personally for me.

I can assure you this person has told me the truth. And knowing who has won HAS marred it for me because quite simply shows like these in part have their enjoyment predicated upon not knowing.

And I never said the contestants had marred the show if that is what you inferred from my post. I made it clear that the comments about the looks of the female contestants had marred it. And they have.

RussiansOnTheSpree Thu 10-Oct-13 12:02:47

mignonette but you didn't say 'marred FOR YOU'. You made a general statement which I am entitled to dispute. smile

If you had actually read my last post you'd see that I agreed with you that it's the talking about the contestants which has been an obvious issue (I think it's fair to make a general comment about that because there is a lot of evidence it's getting on most peoples' tits, albeit for different reasons)

You shouldn't have let your friend tell you who won. A few years ago, for the show I know about, there was a Big Thing. And the papers were full of it. And I had many people swearing blind to me that they 'knew' what was going to happen and it was this or that. And Journos, too - and I really did know what was going to happen, and knew they were wrong. But it brought me no joy, it did in fact spoil it. Since then I have refused to let the people who could tell me exactly what is going to happen talk about the show at all to me. It's much better that way.

mignonette Thu 10-Oct-13 12:09:50

Sorry if I didn't make it clear that I was referring to my opinion Russian flowers and if I sounded snippy.

I got caught out by my friend and it slipped out before I could stop them. They weren't actually boasting or making a big deal out of telling per se, rather I overheard a discussion about the Winner relating to the circumstances around the win etc etc and I stupidly carried on listening!

RussiansOnTheSpree Thu 10-Oct-13 12:41:32

mignonette That's OK! smile I used to think non disclosure clauses were silly. I don't any more.

mignonette Thu 10-Oct-13 12:43:12

It is amazing how they manage to keep it so quiet isn't it? I mean family must talk and what pressure the contestants must be under. To not give even an inadvertent hint?

RaisingArizona Thu 10-Oct-13 18:43:10

At the beginning of the series I was rooting for Kimberley but v soon was put off by her seeming to be smug and as if she's already practicing having her own series. I'm hoping too that these are editing things.

Ruby does seem naturally very talented considering she's so young. To have so many different techniques under your belt at 20 is pretty impressive. Her cake this week did look v amateurish imo. I'm sure it must have tasted great but appearance was an important part of this weeks challenge in particular.

I'd like either Frances or Kimberley to win (don't mind which)
Then Ruby and then Becca.

Still my favourite thing on tv at the moment.

rootypig Thu 10-Oct-13 19:09:18

I agree that we shouldn't judge the contestants on their looks (though tbh in my case it's more that looks play a part in all my judgements, including men blush - there was much mention of Howard's natty shirts and Glen's facial hair in casa rooty). Anyway in my case it might be the opposite, maybe I like Ruby because she's pretty and seems sweet.

Anyway, looks debate aside, I'm torn. I like Ruby and I think from the reactions, her cakes taste lovely. For all the cake lovers here, you must have had an experience of really looking forward to a spectacular looking cake, and it be dry and tasteless or weirdly fatty. That is so disappointing and then the marvellous appearance of the cake can make you even more disappointed! (I am looking at you Starbucks and chain coffee shops everywhere angry). So I think that is part of what is going on with Kimberly and Frances's judging.

All that said, I do think part of the showstopper criteria is the design and way it looks is important - and I can't square the reaction to Ruby's amateurish cake with Frances's quite frankly jaw dropping attempt. Mary's snide comment about her not making the little plant pots was OUTRAGEOUS.

Auntidote Thu 10-Oct-13 19:21:36

I'm not judging Ruby on her looks but on her sheer annoying ness at pretending to think she's rubbish. She must have learnt it's a good way together lots of "oh no of course you are amazing" type responses and it's just so fake.

AmberDextrous Thu 10-Oct-13 19:23:42

Marketer's dream
I actually really like her!

RussiansOnTheSpree Thu 10-Oct-13 19:53:17

Raising I think if any of the better looking cakes had tasted like anything, they'd have been more highly praised than Ruby. But they all tasted shit! Everyone seemed to focus on the look nd didn't grasp that baking with vegetables is a completely different skill, and that vegetable cakes are supposed to taste nice.

It's not an art competition. People seem to forget that.

chocoluvva Thu 10-Oct-13 20:09:03

Ooh. Harsh. Was 'bland' not the word they used?

Fairyloo Thu 10-Oct-13 20:13:52

Ruby wins

RaisingArizona Thu 10-Oct-13 20:18:12

Russians that's a good point. Wonder if they shouldn't have made it a novelty vegetable cake just a vegetable cake? Or was the whole point to see if they concentrated on the taste bearing in mind the trickiness of using veggies, rather than focusing on the novelty aspect?

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Thu 10-Oct-13 20:48:03

Has anyone watched the ozzie bake off ? It's on youtube, i prefer it to the british version

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Thu 10-Oct-13 21:02:34

One thing i will say is that i am apparentlyno judge of female attractiveness ! I couldnt say that i think she is anything to look at out of the ordinary. She's young and that's about all you can say imo

Fairyloo if you know that, why would you say it? And if you don't, again, why would you say it? confused

StainlessSteelBegonia Fri 11-Oct-13 07:32:52

Er, baking with vegetables is not a completely different skill. The real challenge of that showstopper was creating something visually dramatic without using dairy.

It was avoiding dairy that lead to Kimberley and Christine's use of fondant icing, and Ruby and Frances' use of chocolate. Dairy-free, attractive decorating ingredients were the real challenge. With that in mind, Ruby's use of chocolate was a good idea because chocolate is a better tasting ingredient than fondant. Unfortunately, it's also a lot harder to work with, as evidenced by Ruby's poor presentation. Once again, Frances' considerable skill in that area came to the fore.

I was surprised that there were so many negative comments about the cake flavours, to be honest. Using oil in vegetable cakes is pretty common, and even Mary Berry recommends using margerine instead of butter in sponges (shudder). And using pumpkin, beetroot, courgette or carrot is pretty widespread these days, so there are loads of base recipes around giving ideas for the the spice combinations that are typical for them.

The more I think about it, the weirder the challenge, the bakes and the judging seems. It's incredible to to me that at this stage in the competition, 4 of 5 experienced bakers failed to make a nice-tasting vegetable cake. (Decoration, as I said, is a different matter.)

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 08:28:16

Stainless - no you are wrong. Baking with vegetables is tricky because of the oiliness and other things to do with.....chemistry. They explained this right at the beginning. It is no problem at all to make a visually stunning cake without using dairy. You can make a non dairy cake that has never seen a vegetable (apart from soya). The challenge was to get the vegetable thing right and get a cake that tasted like a cake.

It's not an art competition.

Did anyone else notice Paul saying that they couldn't use dairy so no butter, milk, eggs etc? Eggs aren't bloody dairy!

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 09:11:54

Eggs bloody well are dairy. That's the heading they come under in food terms.

chocoluvva Fri 11-Oct-13 09:18:42

Emm - dairy refers to products made from lactating mammals' milk. Animals either lay eggs or feed their offspring their milk - from their mammary glands, hence the word mammal.

Except for platypus.

How bizarre.

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 09:48:32

I'm not saying it's technically right. But that's what we say in cooking terms. Vegetarians no meat no fish (actually, it used to be no flesh no fish) Vegans no meat no fish no dairy. I do often stress that that means no eggs but dairy was always used to include eggs back in the day. Possibly when people who wrote cook books didn't know much science. Since both PH and MB are older than me that's probably how they think too.


Since you don't have to have a vegetable cake for it to be non dairy (and in fact most dairy allergic or vegan people don't like being treated as though they knit their own hemp sandals and eat only parsnip trifle or whatever) it was a bit of an insulting task, I felt. They should have told them to make mainstream looking non dairy cakes. Not shoved those of us who can't/won't eat dairy further in the woo ghetto.

I would rather die than try a parsnip cake.

trice Fri 11-Oct-13 11:01:42

I like the fact that Kimberly is confident. I much prefer that to the "silly little me" malarkey.

I can't judge the taste of the cakes from the comfort of my own sofa so have to go on judges comments. They will pick Ruby on what has gone on so far.

I think they are all fabulous cooks. I couldn't do it. Although my floating islands are the stuff of legend and I have no idea why they all made such a mess of theirs.

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Fri 11-Oct-13 11:02:07

Im a pastry chef by trade and i would translate a special dietary requirement "no dairy" to be no products involving milk. Eggs are not dairy products. I would expect no eggs and no dairy to be described as vegan. Dairy products refer to products containing lactose.
I went to school with girl that is allergic to dairy. She could eat eggs.

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 11:13:51

Lots os specialist chefs give vegans food with cheese in and then say 'oh but it's vegetarian cheese'. I don't think being a chef is any golden ticket to knowing what vegan food is, actually. However they never said the cakes were supposed to be vegan, they said dairy free and back in the day (and I stress, PH and MB are rather older than me) dairy free DID mean egg free too. When I first became a vegan (I've been one for 30 years) dairy free definitely meant egg free too.

You don't need to tell me about the difference between being allergic to milk (the sort of allergic that can be life threatening) and being a vegan. I am both. But I used to love eggs. sad

Dairy doesn't refer to lactose since plenty of dairy products can be lactose free yet they are still dairy. And lactose and milk allergies are two different things (although some people suffer from both).

LazyGaga Fri 11-Oct-13 11:15:47

Those floating islands didn't appeal to me at all, they looked like poached eggs. Not what I want from a pudding!

KatoPotato Fri 11-Oct-13 11:19:42

One thing's for sure, Kimberly should never play poker! Her facial changes are hilarious!

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 11:19:48

You can have no eggs, no meat, no dairy yet if it contains honey it is not Vegan.

Go to Paris and Iles Flottante are on every Bistro menu!

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 11:25:11

mignonette Yep. And I'm far from convinced that some of those cake decorations that were being used were vegan too. But I guess the brief wasn't vegan. In fact, it didn't seem clear to me that the brief was even non dairy until they made the comment about Frances's sauce (my doubts about that have already been expressed upthread). I thought I heard the burble going on about using oil because that;s what you do with vegetable cakes, not because they had been told not to use butter (for the person who mentioned marge upthread - most marge is not non dairy. Although some marge is). But I probably wasn't paying enough attention.

I still feel that that whole segment was a missed opportunity and a bit...if not insulting, certainly playing to a stereotype. We have had all sorts of interesting pieces on different things (eg the Tottenham buns) this series - they easily could have done one on vegan baking. But they obviously preferred to put us in the beetroot cake ghetto. sad

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Fri 11-Oct-13 11:27:48

The Food Standards Agency has this to say on the matter

"‘Dairy free’ was the most widely used and understood term. It was understood to refer to the absence of both milk and products derived from milk, such as butter, yoghurt and cheese, although some mistakenly thought that such products were also free from eggs."

While there is no EU wide legislation on the matter the FSA seems to consider that eggs are not dairy.

LazyGaga Fri 11-Oct-13 11:28:05

But mignonette I am no sophisticate. I prefer my puddings spongy, which unfortunately means my waistline follows suit wink.

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 11:31:15

I do think it paid lip service to the broad, interesting and creatively challenging task of baking these products. I'm surprised they didn't end up with five carrot cakes! Whether it was the editing or drip feeding i do not know but it was a muddled episode for me and I am increasingly scpetical (and cynical) about this series.

Nigella has a lovely recipe for Courgette Cake in 'How to be a Domestic Goddess'. There is a book on vegetable baking by Harry Eastwood that is contemporary and good.

I love Pumpkin and other squash in cakes and the American cake blogs are stuffed with recipes for bakes with these at this time of year.

I'm not a fan of those overly decorated 'theme' cakes anyway. All that 'Planet Cake' type decor with ten tons of fondant on it and a very ordinary cake underneath. That is style over substance.

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 11:32:25

Lazy Me too. I like sponge puddings. I made an apple sponge with Calvados and Toffee sauce last night. Yum. It is basically a Madeira sponge with apple in and the sauce over the top.

Echocave Fri 11-Oct-13 11:47:23

Doesn't vegan mean no animal derived rennet too? I think if you are vegan gelatin etc is also not allowed.
I don't think enough professional chefs/cooks etc understand this.
I have a coeliac friend and he is frequently told that vegetable dishes are fine for him when in many places they bulk up mashed potato with flour.
[this is all very off topic].

Back on the topic, I think Ruby will win but I'm not enjoying this series very much. I really disliked Kimberley at first then started getting very suspicious of the editing. I also thoroughly disliked Mary being told to bitch it up by the producers in the last episode. It didn't suit her at all and felt fake and weird.

Regardless of how people used to use the term, it was a silly thing for a chef to say. He should know that eggs are not dairy.

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 12:00:22

Echo Yes it does. And no they certainly don't. Actually - I think mainly they don't care.

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 12:01:34

Krispy Kremes are made with potato flour apparently Echo.

I was told that Red Bull is not Vegetarian and have three veggie stepchildren who drink it!

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 12:04:06

I wouldn't dream of drinking Red Bull - but why isn't it vegetarian? Does it contain rennet? I don't see how - isn't it just a fizzy drink? I don't actually even know what it is really - but now I'm intrigued...

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 12:06:57

According to their website Red Bull is not only vegetarian but also vegan being made completely from chemicals.

I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole though!

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 12:11:36

Thanks for that- I did wonder.
I too think it is poison but I know a lot of YA's have it in these alcoholic concoctions shock

I did hear that it originally contained meat products.

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 12:13:01

Apparently it originally contained Taurine synthesised from Bull Bile. tjis is now synthetically produced. Neither options make me think 'Yum' though!

Taffeta Fri 11-Oct-13 12:18:50

Re the debate about why people are judging on women's looks and this isn't done with the men.

Erm it is. I remember the thread last year which had loads of lusting after James, comments about his clothes etc. All equally irrelevant.

Ruby seems like the best baker. I've enjoyed watching all of them, but for me, this series hasn't had enough Mel n Sue. Love love LOVE Mel n Sue.

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 12:34:08

Last year I was mainly interested in The One Who Looked Like Charles Widmore (or Jim Robinson if you're more of a Neighbours person).

GBBO does seem to be good at casting bakers who are lookylikeys for minor celebrity actors who have appeared in the Dr Who universe (Charles Widmore/Jim Robinson was in an episode of Torchwood).

KatoPotato Fri 11-Oct-13 12:52:43

Didn't Alan Dale play Jim Robinson?

KatoPotato Fri 11-Oct-13 12:53:26

Ignore! was that his character in LOST

Awks Fri 11-Oct-13 12:57:34

Becca did a special cake for SSAFA. I made it but it didn't look like hers I want her to win she is luffly

LazyGaga Fri 11-Oct-13 13:07:52

mignonette your apple pudding and sauce sounds divine. Any chance of a recipe? cakethankssmile.

LazyGaga Fri 11-Oct-13 13:11:58

Russians so who is this year's baker-who-looks-like-a-minor-celebrity-actor-from-DrWho-or-Torchwood?! <niche>

tootssweet Fri 11-Oct-13 13:24:48

I'm uncertain now who will win as there seems to be an editing bias towards Ruby, but I do wish she would grow a pair about her food! Are they doing this to throw us off the scent though? (I have been giving this too much thought I fear.)

I think it might go in the order of the last technical bake which was Ruby, Kimberly, Francis, Becca, Christine. Pleased to see a ladies final - though I did like Howard (& Glenn grew on me though I did think he & Becca thought they were hi-larious when they really weren't!)

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 13:36:47

Lazy I kind of made it up but I'll have a go at explaining. It is basically an Eve's Pudding-

125g / 4oz butter
125g / 4oz sugar
2 eggs
125g / 4oz self-raising flour
500g /1lb apples (cookers are best)
50g-100g sugar (to taste and according to sweetness of apples)

Preheat the oven to 180 degrees C
In a large bowl, cream the butter and sugar together until it is light and fluffy
Add the eggs and flour and mix together thoroughly
Grease the baking dish you are using with a little butter
Peel and slice the apples after you have made the sponge because this stops them sitting about and getting brown
Arrange the apples in the bottom of the baking dish and sprinkle them with a tablespoon of Calvados, Brandy or even Rum if you like.
Sprinkle with sugar
Spoon the sponge mixture over the top of the apples
Bake in the oven until for 40 minutes or until the sponge is set and golden brown on top

I made a basic Caramel/Toffee sauce from this recipe that I use all the time. I am sure you know from GBBO not to stir the sugar and water mix once you have placed them in the pan.

Serve with poured over caramel.

Another way also if you have an apple glut is to cook down sliced apples with sugar to taste, a spoon of Vanilla Paste and the Calvados. When they are soft and starting to fall apart cool them. I then make a sponge or Madeira and the caramel sauce and serve these three together. They are also gorgeous with slices of French toast or Rice Pudding. The apple puree freezes for three months too.

RussiansOnTheSpree Fri 11-Oct-13 13:45:36

Lazy It was the plasmavore (Christine - an Ann Reid lookylikey). See earlier in the thread (or possibly the other thread).

LazyGaga Fri 11-Oct-13 14:05:03

mignonette thank you, sounds wonderful. I may have a go at the weekend.

Russians I don't watch Dr Who so will have to google that. I definitely thought she looked like Anne Reid. In fact I'm sure she was a walking Victoria Wood character played by Anne Reid. And Howard was created by Alan Bennett.

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 14:21:18

I hope it works well for you Lazy. Am bit nervous now grin. Recipe writing is so much more difficult than it appears.

LazyGaga Fri 11-Oct-13 14:46:19

I think it'll work. Have just knocked up some chocolate muffins so I really should lay off more baked goods this weekend but it sounds too delicious to resist. Why can't I be like DH - you offer him a cake and he'll say "No thanks, I'm not hungry". Gah, I don't have to be hungry to eat cake and that's why I'm bursting out of my jeans and he's not.

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 14:49:30

I know , my DH is the same, he is able to make the decision as to what to eat based upon whether he is hungry or not. That ability would be my super hero ability.

rootypig Fri 11-Oct-13 23:00:29

I am rather late to this discussion but would like to chip in - to me it made sense to make a vegetable non-dairy cake. Because vegetables are a really nice substitute for dairy fats in a cake - for flavour and moistness and structure.

But I did think they were paying lip service and it was all a bit vague. Maybe that's why Paul and Mary were so sour about it all?

Second Harry Eastwood's book. Mine is in a box being shipped across the Atlantic at the mo but think there's a parsnip recipe in it Russians smile

rootypig Fri 11-Oct-13 23:00:56

ps mignonette what is not hungry? confused

mignonette Fri 11-Oct-13 23:18:50

Rooty grin. Not Hungry is like Australia for me- somewhere I have never been!

I agree about the emulsifying ability of some vegetables. They can become really 'creamy' hence the use of courgettes in Chocolate Cake. They make this cake really moist.

Mary is not exactly an Iconoclast. Traditional is the name of the game.

rootypig Fri 11-Oct-13 23:20:57

grin grin

perhaps Not Hungry is near Burstingly Full, or Pleasantly Sick? both places I visit regularly grin

coffeeinbed Sat 12-Oct-13 09:38:52

There's a leaflet in the Telegraph today with PH pie recipes.
there's a beetroot pie.
Revolting, What in the name of all that's sweet and flaky is that abomination!

mignonette Sat 12-Oct-13 18:32:43

I saw that Beetroot tart thing too. I can only imagine there is copious amounts of sugar and spices to counteract the dusty mustiness it can have. Of course young beetroot is sweeter but not everybody grows it and shop beetroot can be as old as Methusalah.

Rooty grin.

After two rounds, surely Francis and Kimberley are safely through to next week no matter what happens in the showstopper?

deepfriedsage Tue 15-Oct-13 21:42:02

What did the Welch lady say to the other lady?

rootypig Wed 16-Oct-13 02:50:07

Kimberly is getting more and more annoying, if that is at all possible! so effin pleased with herself.

RaisingthedeadArizona Wed 16-Oct-13 06:04:40

Very late to this thread.
It's like Kimberly is treating this as a practice run for her own tv series. I really took to her at the start but as the weeks have gone on she seems more and more self-satisfied. It's ok to be confident (and at the other end of the spectrum, Ruby's "OhGodthisisterrible" shtick is just as irritating imo), but there's a fine line between quietly confident and smug. I would like Francis to win now. But think it will be Kimberly

Mominatrix Wed 16-Oct-13 06:18:56

Agree that Kimberly will probably win, however, she grates on me precisely for her smugness. Her I-Know-It-all attitude indicated in her commentary on processes and her steely hyper-competitiveness really don't make me like her very much. The looks on her face when the judges don't like what she does are quite...cold. Frances has fantastic food presentation ideas, but I do agree that her style does trump her substance. Ruby is probably a naturally gifted baker, but is just a mess - perhaps it is a lack of maturity?

Not crazy on any of the contestants left. My favourite was Christine, but she is out.

ClarisseVonTrumpington Wed 16-Oct-13 06:37:47

Anyone else scandalised at the blatant favouritism towards Ruby and harshness towards Francis (didn't make your own pots last week - oh Ye gods, call the police). It's almost as if her stuff needs to look a complete shambles like Ruby's before they give her a break. Thank goodness they liked the veg patch canapés - I thought Francis was going to cry. Every single time something isn't great - which happens to all the bakers, they ring out the style over substance mantra. So unfair! She was very over the top at the beginning but now she just meets the brief each time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a great fan of Francis particularly but unless it's an editing thing the favouritism is putting me off Bake Off this year.

Oh and FFS Ruby - cheer up you miserable git
Kimberly - just insufferably smug.

Tbh it all went down hill after Howard left.

mignonette Wed 16-Oct-13 13:10:38

It has already been made clear by a member of the production team on the other thread that Kimberleys comments are made as a response to an off camera question by those filming. They are not off the cuff commentaries.

It is worth remembering that the cut aways to contestants faces during judging may not actually correspond timing wise to what is going on at the time! They film hundreds of these and match them up in post production. Don't believe everything you see. This is television and has been micro directed to the nth degree.

Ruby was a disaster last night-Beca was far better than her. But then Beca has been less consistently good to this point I suppose. I think Ruby will win but I still hope Kimberley does. I don't think she's mean or cold-am certain it's editing.

rootypig Wed 16-Oct-13 16:37:47

mignonette I do try to appreciate that, my cousin works cutting TV shows and says they take appalling liberties. But even allowing for editing, Kimberly's manner when she's doing her explanations is just so irritating. The other contestants manage to describe what they're doing without intimating that they are delivering a masterclass hmm. Plus in the little interviews they do outside the tent later, she is unbearable! soooooooo smug. She is the sort of girl I hated having to be in the class with at school grin

Yes Clarisse I agree about Frances, was just posting on the other thread about it (yes I am on two Bake Off threads grin)

Antoinette I think Beca was more of a disaster last night - they hated her canapes and showstopper and she came third in the technical. They really like Ruby's opera cake and quite liked her canapes, though of course her technical was a disaster.

Sunnymeg Wed 16-Oct-13 17:12:29

I have a sneaky feeling that Frances' flavours will come together and she will end up winning. Out of the three who are left, I think she would produce the most memorable cook book.

yesbutnobut Wed 16-Oct-13 18:39:07

I agree with Sunnymeg that (as with last year when James won) Frances may well win. ` i can see her miraculously producing something where style and substance are in perfect harmony, having learned her lesson, and will win. Especially as in the final they have to produce something spectacular. I'd love to see her win as the judges have been harsh towards her.

mignonette Wed 16-Oct-13 18:44:55

Rooty grin

sicily1921 Wed 16-Oct-13 22:53:20

Francis gets my vote, if she can hold the flavours together with her brilliant designs she will produce some fantastic stuff in the final.

I'm team Frances too. This week the Ruby favouritism gave me the rage.

QueenoftheSarf Thu 17-Oct-13 13:57:46

This is no competition now. The judges are so biased towards Ruby it's a waste of time the other two putting themselves out bothering to compete. I'd be happy if either Frances or Kimberly won - both deserve to equally. However, Ruby has consistently failed yet has never once been roundly chastised for it by Hollywood, who is positively caustic and downright cruel in his critiques of other contestants' bakes. Last night Ruby's canapés looked a right mess and her opera cake looked like it'd been baked by a group of hapless 9 year olds.

If I had to pick a winner though, personally I'd go for Frances. She seems so lovely. I think she just edges it and last night they were downright nasty abut her opera cake. It made me so cross.

LaVitaBellissima Thu 17-Oct-13 17:44:24

I think Francis will win.

I'm not sure why everyone is getting so cross about Ruby, she obviously has a natural talent, and if it tastes good she has deserved to stay in, but ultimately her bad presentation puts Francis in No1 position.

HowlerMonkey Mon 21-Oct-13 10:12:32

To everyone who is doing this, please stop calling Frances Francis. It is making my eyes itch.

Her name is Frances. Frances. FRANCES!

<gets off pedantic soapbox>

bushkate55 Mon 21-Oct-13 11:15:29

IT has to be Kimberley, consistently good results

Chewbecca Mon 21-Oct-13 11:40:53

Autocorrect put an apostrophe in Frances when I posted a while back, now that made my eyes itch and me blush.

Anyhow, it is going exactly as expected for me, Christine and Beca were definitely the weakest 2 of the final 5 IMO.

I think it is going to be Ruby, Kimberley then Frances but I WANT it to be the reverse order!

I am willing Frances on to get her flavours spot on in the final, the others can't match her in presentation so if she 'nails' the flavours, she will be unbeatable and be Queen!

CatherineHMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Oct-13 11:48:44

<pops in to make a quick plug for our new GBBO-inspired recipes page>

HorseyGirl1 Mon 21-Oct-13 12:02:23

It should be Kimberley - in fact if she doesn't I will never watch again - really talented and knowledgeable. If Ruby wins - cries of 'fix!' will ring everywhere. All that sulky ffs eye-rolling is getting on my nerves - prob lovely girl but really? Honestly? You're there because you're good love, they aren't asking you to do anything unreasonable at this level pet.

Doublemuvver Mon 21-Oct-13 12:44:29

I have grown to like Frances, she annoyed me in the beginning. I don't mind who wins, they are all amazing and have the baking gift. Am very jealous!

BigBoPeep Mon 21-Oct-13 13:05:08

Not sure why ruby is being touted as having talent - she is a mixture of good (aparently by fluke) and atrocious! She has coasted through because hollywood likes her. Kimberley is consistently good, but FrancEs ;) has that extra talent for presentation and creativity which kimberley lacks a little.

It should be between kim and frances and will be down to whether Frances gets the technical side right or not - end of!

Ruby's apparent lack of confidence is just annoying! Frances to win!

mignonnetteZOMBIEKILLEROFHQ Mon 21-Oct-13 13:50:58


Whatever happened to the MN cookbook?

Wibblytummy Mon 21-Oct-13 13:55:00

Another team Frances here. I loved Kimberley at the beginning but her smugness during the opera cake task literally made me want to throw the remote at the telly. Ruby has been giving our house the rage since episode one with her monotone whinging and ruddy eye rolling. I hoped for a little optimism the week with the new cat but it appeared not even a playful kitten could liven her up.

riverboat Mon 21-Oct-13 17:08:57

I started the series really liking Kimberly and disliking Ruby and Frances. Now I have swung completely the other way.

I do feel that Kimberly has probably been badly edited, but even in the off the cuff moments with Mel and Sue I think she comes across fairly annoyingly. There is no denying that she has been the most consistently good baker of the three that remain though. On that level she is probably in a similar position to Brendan last year.

What I initially thought was smugness in Frances I now think is probably just sheer goofy love of baking (and decorating!) combined with a slight awkwardness and odd demeanour. It's hard to judge her bakes though as they always look so amazing but the judges are always down on the taste, and we just have to take their word on that aspect!

I think Ruby is probably in a similar position as John was last year: she has been the most inconsistent but possibly has the most unusual flair of talent. I did feel that she probably should have gone over Becca last week really. But I kind of like her anyway and she has done very well more often than not.

If the editing is indicative of anything, it really seems like Kimberly can't possibly win, I really think they are trying to make us not like her. Ruby would be the obvious winner based on all that we have seen thus far, but I still think Frances could steal it. She's got a good story behind her.

squoosh Mon 21-Oct-13 17:13:25

Apparently Raymond Blanc has given away the name of the winner on Twitter so if you're a tweeter be careful if you want to avoid spoilers.

Fairyloo Mon 21-Oct-13 17:16:00

#Possible spoiler#

All Raymond bland said it was someone thin? Frances or ruby??

rootypig Mon 21-Oct-13 17:57:27

Aren't they all thin? Or at least slim confused

flippinada Mon 21-Oct-13 18:15:05

I haven't enjoyed this years as much as last.

Lots of people say Kimberley is smug but I don't think so - she's good and knows it - which does get people's backs up!

Some of the commentary on Ruby is just horrible - bitching about her looks and so on. I do find her somewhat irritating and wet-weekendy but I've warmed to her a bit.

Frances was annoying at first but I like her too, she seems very genuine.

In summarym whoever wins, I'll be happy. I think it will be Kimberley but Frances will suprise us. Ruby is very good but too inconsistent...however I said that about John last year and he won!

Lizzabadger Mon 21-Oct-13 19:11:13
ToniBasil Mon 21-Oct-13 19:27:35

Why are so many people so anti-Ruby? I have a total girl crush on her. Think Kimberly deserves to win though....

I loved that bit about Mel and Sue swearing smile

Kimberley to win for me!

rootypig Mon 21-Oct-13 19:37:23

Oh thanks Lizza, that was well good

Merguez Mon 21-Oct-13 20:30:06

feck, you only get 20 free Telegraph articles a month and I've gone over the limit!!

Auntidote Mon 21-Oct-13 20:35:03

Just delete cookies & restart your browser and the Telegraph counter resets.

Lomaamina Mon 21-Oct-13 20:50:44

Thanks for the Telegraph link Lizza. It's interesting that Kimberley was sitting tough professional exams during the filming, but we never got a mention of them, unlike Ruby's university exams hmm

Mellowandfruitful Mon 21-Oct-13 21:51:43

I think riverboat has made a good point about the editing - it does point to Kimberley being very good but being not positioned as a popular winner. I really like her (her canapés looked absolutely delicious last week) but I'm not convinced she's the chosen one. However, if we use Pop Idol the original series as an analogy, Ruby is the Gareth Gates of the narrative grin but who is Will Young?

ZingDollyChops Mon 21-Oct-13 22:00:52

I like all 3 finalists.

I think either Ruby or Kimberly will win.

GetKnitted Mon 21-Oct-13 23:25:30

I hope it will be Kimberley, but if it is, it will be a bit of a Joanne moment from previous series where everyone is wondering where it came from smile because they've tried to edit the series to make it not too obvious

RaisingthedeadArizona Tue 22-Oct-13 09:59:56

I don't mind too much who wins now. Would prefer it to be Frances if I had to choose because of a)all the fuss and media attention on Ruby and Kimberly either being like a smug head girl or being edited to look like one.

Xoanon Tue 22-Oct-13 10:05:44

I'm delighted that Ruby gave Raymond Blanc what for after his sexist and sizeist tweet.

LaRegina Tue 22-Oct-13 10:26:13

I will eat my hat shaped cake if Ruby doesn't win.

But I think it should be Kimberley or Frances - can't really choose between them. I have nothing against Ruby but IMO her baking skills (and results) are slightly more hit and miss than those of the other two finalists.

Animation Tue 22-Oct-13 11:26:30

Paul Hollywood looks too good from every angle and his eyes are always come to bed eyes. Why should I be so irritated by this confused

KatoPotato Tue 22-Oct-13 11:27:42

Oh my Day(ly mail)s!

Article on the final three contestants quote:

'Who is she? Raised by bookshop owners in Market Harborough, Leicestershire, snaggle-toothed Frances has been a slow-burner on GBBO.'

Snaggle toothed? horrid!

KatoPotato Tue 22-Oct-13 11:28:24

Ruby: Who is she? The eldest of four children from Southend, Essex, with a brain to match the good looks which saw her become a model in her teens.

Kimberly: Who is she? A self-made woman who can seemingly turn her hand to anything.

mignonnetteZOMBIEKILLEROFHQ Tue 22-Oct-13 11:28:45

Vile. because Paul Dacre is such a fucking heart throb?

tiggytape Tue 22-Oct-13 13:24:37

There has been a flurry of last minute bets on Frances.

LaundryLegoLunch Tue 22-Oct-13 13:29:29

I really hope Frances wins, I think she's incredibly creative and reacts so well to the never ending criticism she gets. She is neither smug nor simpering.

Xoanon Tue 22-Oct-13 13:32:42

I very much liked Frances's come back to the welsh one last week when the welsh one was being somewhat unkind.

Evbev Tue 22-Oct-13 14:00:17

I think it's really unfair all the negative attention on Ruby. The only reason people are reacting to the way she is treated is due to the affair Paul Hollywood had. Very simple. If this was last year, we would have observed a very insecure girl who everyone on The British Bakeoff were extra nice to; Mel, Mary and Paul all were extra nice to her because her of her insecurity. It has tainted people's way of watching the programme, including me.

Xoanon Tue 22-Oct-13 14:01:39

I think it's outrageous really. sad

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 22-Oct-13 14:40:29

Hello everyone

Just to let you know that we've a guest blog from previous GBBO finalist Holly Bell, over thisaway...

birdbrain21 Tue 22-Oct-13 15:04:05

thanks for the article liza
Just to note a quote from kimberly in it, she's a physcolgist and seems to be doing more qualifications ‘In the week of the final I had three essays to hand in. It was horrific why does ruby's studying and therefore lack of time to practice get mentioned the whole time and kimberly working long days and studying on top of that never get mentioned?! I'm not anti-Ruby I enjoy the show and don't really care any more who wins but I don't feel we are given the full story of the cotestants...

ZombieZing Tue 22-Oct-13 15:19:40


I picked up on that too and couldn't agree with you more.

thing is I like Ruby, but she seems a bit miserable. Kimberly's personality comes across much nicer - although that is not what they are judged on, hopefully.

mignonnetteZOMBIEKILLEROFHQ Tue 22-Oct-13 15:41:21

I mentioned on the other thread about Kimberleys studies being more arduous than a certain other contestants. I also mentioned her ambitions w/ regard to wanting to open a charitable bake shop/enterprise where less materially blessed children could have birthday parties.

I like Kimberley because I like her ambitions. Like Brendan's they involve giving back. I am very hmm about how she has been edited. very hmm.

Ruby wants to be a food writer. She'll need a good editor.

BigBoPeep Tue 22-Oct-13 15:48:42

My opinion of ruby has nothing to do with hollywood's affair, I am a brand new bakeoff convert, and simply find her to be a wet blanket, the woe is me is annoying. and her baking ain't all that! She can pull it out of the bag sometimes...but so can I, I have the sense to stay home though grin

BohemianRaspberry Tue 22-Oct-13 16:05:47

I find Ruby's "Oh it's really bad." syndrome quite annoying - at first I felt sorry for her but as she's won star baker twice, you'd have thought she'd suck it up a little. I know it sounds cruel but I don't like people who don't seen to enjoy what they cook and every always seems so horribly difficult for her.
Kimberly and Frances actually seem to enjoy what they're doing and make me want to cook what they are cooking.

Totally agree with you bigbopeep grin

Xoanon Tue 22-Oct-13 16:42:57

Big Ruby has won star baker 3 times. And she has also won the tech challenge a couple of times. Clearly she has low self esteem - it's not unknown for high achieving young women. I agree with you that she doesn't seem to enjoy all the different types of baking they do - she has some clear weaknesses (puddings) but also clear strengths (bread) where she is obviously miles better than the rest. The difference between her and kimberley is that Kimberley is at worst alright and at best good at everything. Every single aspect. Ruby's worst is much worse, but her best is clearly better (or her overall stats wouldn't be so much better).

But we aren't tasting the food. So if we re ignoring the judges who over the course of the whole programme have clearly rated ruby higher, it comes down to either what the baking looks like (but it's not an art competition) or personality (which has nothing to do with baking). I have known young women/girls with esteem issues and I know how horrible it is for them. I have also known over confident brash people and on the whole, it's a type of person I don't like. So I prefer ruby's personality. But each to their own. I'm convinced Frances is going to win because that's the narrative - this will be the week she does something that looks a bit meh but tastes fabulous and so she will have completed her journey and will therefore win because she wil finally have admitted that Mary Berry is right. Betcha.

Pigeonpair1 Tue 22-Oct-13 16:58:37

I don't think Ruby will win/has won. She would not be allowed to respond to all those twitter messages in the mardy way she has as the BBC would want her on her best behaviour for any future work.

Xoanon Tue 22-Oct-13 17:06:34

pigeon I've hardly ever met anyone else who uses the term mardy! grin Are you from wiltshire by any chance?

I don't think she's been that mardy to be honest. She's had some vile tweets directed at her. She doesn't at all deserve the treatment she has received from either the media or some of the grottier dregs of the internet.

Pigeonpair1 Tue 22-Oct-13 17:24:13

Ha Ha - no - I am from Market Harborough funnily enough but now live in London! I agree a lot of the tweets are really mean but I feel if she had won, the BBC would have told to just suck it up and say nothing. We'll see!

BohemianRaspberry Tue 22-Oct-13 17:48:35

Xoanon - sorry about the error (three times winning star baker not two).

I realise she has low self-esteem (I have it myself running alongside Dep/Anx), doesn't deserve the viciousness and I know it's heavily edited to make this so.

I just usually like to get/peruse the cookery books for some of the finalists and if Ruby won, I don't think I would.

mignonnetteZOMBIEKILLEROFHQ Tue 22-Oct-13 17:50:36


I use mardy because my Mother is from the Midlands as are my Grandparents. I love that word. Whenever I read it, it sounds in my head as my grandfathers voice!

awaynboilyurheid Tue 22-Oct-13 18:10:29

Come on Ruby Ruby Ruby! but secretly think Francis will just clinch it which is fine too, they are all soooo talented at this stage amazing women. going to miss GBBO so much

peachypips Tue 22-Oct-13 18:37:26

I really like Frances and Kimberley- looking forward to it so much!

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 19:12:06

Hello, hello! grin

Are we all ready? I have successfully kept awake timed DD's nap so I can have peace and watch it live, hurrah (not in UK). Now cmon iplayer, don't mess up!

I am team anyone but Kimberly, while I was really impressed by what I read about her in the Telegraph interview I still think she is more up herself than any editor could make her seem grin

ZombieZing Tue 22-Oct-13 19:20:50

I'm watching it with kids. gotta bathe little ones first.
can't wait!

squoosh Tue 22-Oct-13 19:27:55

Oh I'm enjoying this where are they now of last year's contestants. Loved the guy who made the key lime pie.

It was a better year that's fo' sho'.

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 19:50:20

Oh Brendan! I am enjoying the recap because it is reminding me that smug Scottish boy didn't win. I am aaaaalways the anti-smug candidate grin

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:00:39

Team Frances here!

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:01:31

Team Frances too

Here we go! Weren't last years contestants much more likeable?!

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:02:29

High 5 DSJames cake

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:03:18

Ooh I'm joining tonight! Normally watch on I player on weds but the final has to be live!

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:04:34

Honey I'm a GBBO virgin this year, stumbled across it on I player one day with a hangover.

LOVE.IT! Everyone speaks so nicely.

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 20:04:38

Team Ruby!

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:06:05

Team Kimberley!

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:06:07

We've definitely picked the winner TSSDNCOP No way she can lose with her creativity.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:06:32

Goodness Paul is sunkissed this week!

wibblyjelly Tue 22-Oct-13 20:06:51

The problem with the recap show is that next year I'm going to have to watch Ruby bleating on about how 'it's so embarrassing'
I like Frances, but think Kimberley is going to ein it.

Welcome TSS grin

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:10:18

I like the sound of Kimberley's pie filling the best.

ScreamingNaanAndGoryOn Tue 22-Oct-13 20:10:46

Team Not Ruby here.


TonytheFish Tue 22-Oct-13 20:11:26

How did they mean Kimberly had already prepared her pastry? As in before?

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:11:55

Kimberley is the best but I don't want her to win. Frances is sweet. Ruby is lovely, she annoyed me at first but I like her more and more now

mignonnette Tue 22-Oct-13 20:12:12


Pauls has been in Mexico I hear. wink

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:13:01

Has poor darling Mary got bad teeth?

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:13:47


Sue and Mel are brilliant. Really, really funny.

wibblyjelly Tue 22-Oct-13 20:14:08

I've just really laughed at Mary, Mel and Sue stealing Kimberley's asparagus grin

wibblyjelly Tue 22-Oct-13 20:14:34

Not Kimberley's, Frances even!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:14:37

Mignonette grin knew someone would have the gossip!

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:14:58


Team Frances here

ScreamingNaanAndGoryOn Tue 22-Oct-13 20:15:34

Nooooooo Kimberly! You've got a soggy bottom.

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:15:41

Oh dear kimberley

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:15:47

No! Kimberley, no!

PixieBumbles Tue 22-Oct-13 20:16:00

Oh dear Kimberley!

coffeeinbed Tue 22-Oct-13 20:16:46

Oh no Kimberley.
and must say am a bit fed up with the astroturf.

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:16:58

How do they not scream 'fuuuuuuuck fuck' when things fall apart like that?!

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:17:19

Well done Frances!

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:17:37

It all gone a bit soggy in the bottom area

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:17:47

Paul's being very nice tonight, relatively speaking.

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:18:30

Ruby's looks damn good!

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:18:35

That's no suntan Paul's got, he's been baked.

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 20:18:39

Mooooo ha ha ha ha ha

Team Anyone but Kimberly

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:18:41

Oh nice Ruby!

coffeeinbed Tue 22-Oct-13 20:18:54

Oh there's layers on it....
ohhh do shut up ruby.

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:18:56

Ruby's one looked amazing. Well done her

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:19:02

Do Paul and Mary ever spit stuff out? If it's disgusting I mean?

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:19:29

Farrow grin

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:19:41

Paul did earlier in the series andIfeed

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:05

Round 1:


DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:14

Is there a theme this week?

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:21

Farrow grin grin

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:29


I can't imagine Mary spitting actually

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:36

Ohhh, low blows all round. Editors stuck in a shot of Kimberly looking jealous during ruby's praise, and john's sly comment about it looking as if Frances could have baked it...

OMG I just felt a little bit of affection for Ruby shock I need a wine

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:53

Didn't Paul refuse point blank to even try one of the men's bakes earlier?

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:59


Presumably they read all of Paul and Mary's books before they start.

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:21:37

Oops, I meant Paul!

GeekLove Tue 22-Oct-13 20:21:43

Paul spat out the salty angel cake.
But shock horror Kimberly got a soggy bottom!

ExcuseTypos Tue 22-Oct-13 20:21:46

Pretzels are a bit boring for the final, aren't they?

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:21:54

No, he spat it out and told Mary not to eat it.

Oh, hang, on...yeah he did, I think it was a pastry - he wouldn't eat it for fear of it making him ill.

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:22:28

I thought Ruby came across much better when she was with her mum. Much more relaxed and she even laughed.

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:23:10

No theme I don't thonk DSJames

GeekLove Tue 22-Oct-13 20:24:12

TBF that bake was the one where the sugar was swapped with salt.

Mamafratelli Tue 22-Oct-13 20:24:43

Ruby is much younger than she looks isn't she. I think she has been very nervous.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:24:49

Oh I missed the salty bake episode dammit

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:25:07

This is reminding me of when they made bagels in series 3.

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:25:17

People saying Kimberly has been the front runner all series, that's not true. she went of the boil mid series and has only been star baker twice and won the technical challenge twice where as ruby has been star baker three times and ahead of Kimberly on the technical challenge more often.

Ruby to win

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:26:03

Aah bit like the bagels

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:26:14

She's 21 isn't she? (Ruby)

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 20:26:32

X post. DSJames

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:26:43

Noooo not ruby, I think im team Francis.

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 20:26:48

Exactly Katz. This Ruby / Kimberly perception is testament to the power of self confidence and how you present yourself. RUBY IS A FANTASTIC BAKER FFS

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:27:53

They all look more like baffled bagels than pretzels really

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:28:07

Those are pretzels?

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:28:32

Lol at baffled bagels! Perfect description!

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:29:19

Kimberley will be first in technical then

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:31:03

France's needs to ace this round
Kimberley needs to do better
but Ruby's got some leeway

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:31:50

Oh Paul you are sooooo obvious....

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:32:04

Half an hour in and it is gearing up for Ruby to win.

I will be most pissed off if she does. I can't stand her fake modesty and her stupid doe eyes and fake sad face.

DS1 doesn't like her either.

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:32:17

Ooooh, this is going to be good!

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:32:49

Miss - I couldn't agree with you more.

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:33:40

Team Frances here. Please not insincere Ruby.

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:33:53

But Ruby is the better baker....

coffeeinbed Tue 22-Oct-13 20:34:17

I think it will be Ruby.

BloodiedGhouloshes Tue 22-Oct-13 20:34:22

Team Frances

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:34:38

If you say so Katz.

Hopefully Tue 22-Oct-13 20:34:40

I don't love ruby, but so far she surely has to win. Wish Frances could pull it out the bag though!

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:35:55

Surely those cake pops will burn?

RVPisnomore Tue 22-Oct-13 20:36:00

Anybody but Ruby......... She's bloody annoying and is playing a game!

senmerrygoround Tue 22-Oct-13 20:36:31

Team Frances - I would so watch her cookery shows. She reminds me of Delia with her quiet, unflappable manner, with added creative flair.

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:36:45

Farrow - based on the technical challenges yes, which are blind to the judges.

It must cost them a fortune just to do the practising at home.

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:37:29

I've only been watching for tge last three weeks (late to everything me). Ruby is coming across a bit falsely modest ihave to agree. All ooh I don't know what I'm doing, I just can't get how it worked so well. Or she could possibly be. Lacking in confidence!

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:38:13

She's not lacking in confidence, she knows exactly what she's doing.

But the technical challenges aren't judged blind. The contestants give away who's being judged by their reactions. If it was a true blind judging they wouldn't be in the room. Drives me mad.

ScreamingNaanAndGoryOn Tue 22-Oct-13 20:39:00

Paul gets all dirtyoldman where Ruby is concerned.

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:39:24

If she was that bloody nervy and self doubting she wouldn't have bloody applied to the show!!!!!

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:40:06

I thought that dazzling, you can tell exactly what is whose from their reactions to the comments

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:40:45

Exactly annielewis!

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:41:01

Ok I so was just being nice. She's fakely modest.

Right I'm over my affection for Ruby now! Don't know what came over me confused come on Frances!!!!

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:41:39

And and and and and.... How come ruby is suddenly so confident????

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:41:55

I'm sure dani from last year blogged about the huge amount of money she spent on ingredients for practicing every week.

ColdTeaAgain Tue 22-Oct-13 20:42:09

Weddings are an "exercise of narcissism" oh Ruby, just as I was starting to find you ever so slightly less irritating! Unfortunately, it's obvious Paul has already decided she's the winner!

I've got a feeling if all goes well France's could steal this right out from under Kimberley and Ruby's noses.

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:00

Kimberley's looks like smudgey news print

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:09

Dani was noticeably absent from the reunion show

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:10

She was as model. Used to being worshipped for her looks. She has used them to their best advantage. I don't feel that PH has been genuine. And saying that Kimberley is much prettier was clearly meant to put us off the scent be a compliment but it didn't come across as one.

Kimberley to win!

senmerrygoround Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:32

Hope you're right Dazzling!

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:46

Because Paul has been biased pretty much throughout the whole thing. He's a lot harder on everyone else than he is on her and has been for a number of episodes now. She isn't coming across as nervy but as someone who is playing a game and who can be very manipulating.

There. I've said it.

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:49

Frances! Frances! Frances! Frances! Frances! Frances! Frances! Frances!

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:51

Frances' is drooping and Ruby's is messy. Kimberley then

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:52

Oh dazzling how I hope you're right!!!! Don't like Kimberley's cake at all!!

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:43:58

They could all win, they're all good.

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:44:10

But Frances's is capsizing no?

senmerrygoround Tue 22-Oct-13 20:44:23

It feels weird watching this with such anticipation when it was filmed in June!

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:06

Frances' cake looks beautiful.

Kimberley's not so good though.

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:11

None of them look any good

senmerrygoround Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:14

Wow love the look of Kimberley's came

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:20

Frances's looks by far the best

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:49

Ruby's does not look great.

Cremolafoam Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:51

There's no way Ruby's is a winner

hermioneweasley Tue 22-Oct-13 20:45:56

Ruby's cake decoration is shit.

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:46:15

Sorry. Was expecting proper wow creations. Like I could do any better!

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:46:33

She really is annoying!

candycoatedwaterdrops Tue 22-Oct-13 20:46:33

Is it me or are all the cakes a bit disappointing given their previous show stoppers?! sad

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:46:48

Woah mass sulk!

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:46:55

Hahaha don't hold back hermoine!!! Took the words out of my mouth!

Shut up Ruby!

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:47:12

Tears. Wtaf

Bunbaker Tue 22-Oct-13 20:47:15

She reminds me of DD when she sulks.

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:47:29

Fail on the show stopper and then win? I would be very pissed off.

Cremolafoam Tue 22-Oct-13 20:47:35

Agree candy coated
Frances cake has gone splat

I'd want my money back if I'd paid for Ruby to make my wedding cake and she'd presented me with that.

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:47:49

That is so pretty

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:48:02

Right. Come on Frances. Don't let us down

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:48:33

If Frances had more time, I'd say her wedding cakes would be amazing looking

ColdTeaAgain Tue 22-Oct-13 20:48:42

If Ruby wins, then it's definitely because Paul is biased, that cake was a bloody mess!

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:48:50

Given that none of the three look amazing, I think 6 hours is just not enough for this challenge?

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:03

Oooh I feel proper excited now!!! Could go either way now!! Please let it be Frances!!

Pooka Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:12

Kimberley's looks rubbish. So does Ruby's.

But Frances had a rough first couple of rounds.

Ho hum - all open really.

Think Ruby has lost it by over baking.

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:27

If Frances had more time, I'd say her wedding cakes would be amazing looking

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:45

I am backing Frances again now [fickle].

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:48

Moln, someone posted a link to her Fag Butt cake, it's brilliant and really does look like the real thing. She made is for a friend who gave up smoking.

I'll find it if I can remember where I saw it.

Cremolafoam Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:49

The lemon and raspberry looks delish. 3 of those would have done me

TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:09

That SUCKS Kim!!!

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:10

Is the winner judged on this alone?

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:12

I mean it somuch I said it twice

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:21

Come onnnnn! That looks grubby Kimberley!!

Cremolafoam Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:38

Ha farrow that was me

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:42

Kimberley's cake is pale and boring looking but the inside is lovely of the top layer.

Annagramma Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:44

I feel bad for Ruby. Until this cake, I'd have said she'd have won(from the technical/signature this round) but that was a disaster. I think she's come across badly on GBBO and I like her because she's from where I am blush

I hope Frances wins though.

YukonHo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:50:45

They are both such France's haters. If ruby had made that Paul would have been all over her for it!

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:51:05

I think Kimberly rushed the stamping part, the writing looks all uneven and criss crossed over itself

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:51:08

France's cake looked the best. Ruby and Kimberley's are both messy. The printed bit is rubbish. As for Ruby's, well.. Pants!

senmerrygoround Tue 22-Oct-13 20:51:45

Team Frances

I've made a 4 layer chequer board. It's a piece of piss to do the chequer board thing.

hermioneweasley Tue 22-Oct-13 20:52:03

I want the cake with poppyseed icing in Kimberley's cake

Also, WTF were they expecting them to produce in terms of decoration with only 6 hours?

Bunbaker Tue 22-Oct-13 20:52:09

None of the showstoppers were really showstopping were they?

beanandspud Tue 22-Oct-13 20:52:11

This is so hard to call - could go to any of them now...


TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:52:33


riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:52:45

No clear winner based on this week! Each baker won one round.

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:53:13

God the suspense!! Paul is so fucking pervy over ruby! I used to quite like him...

Cremolafoam Tue 22-Oct-13 20:54:05

Really should be a 2 day challenge spud agree

Pooka Tue 22-Oct-13 20:54:05

I really haven't warmed to Kimberley.

I suppose it's a toss up between someone who is underconfident (Ruby) and someone who seems overconfident (Kimberley).

My default position is to feel for the under confident one. Bit like I really liked Jo Wheatley.

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:54:18

Sue and Mel on top form tonight

DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:54:28

Come on Frances!!

YukonHo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:54:53

It's Frances, from their comments!

Snargaluff Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:14


Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:14

6 hours isn't long enough to bake and decorate

OhHowILoveMyPuppies Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:14


beanandspud Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:16



TSSDNCOP Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:17


YukonHo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:20

Yey!!!!!. Well deserved!!!!!

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:21

6 hours isn't long enough to bake and decorate

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:21

Yay! Well done Frances.


candycoatedwaterdrops Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:26


coffeeinbed Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:27

oh good!

senmerrygoround Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:28


annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:29

Yayyyyyuyyyyyy!! They did the right thing!!!!

FiveExclamations Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:31



SpottyDottie Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:34


DSJamesHathaway Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:35

She looks so surprised smile

mignonnette Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:47

My source was correct grin

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:48

Woo hoo

purplepippin Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:49

Yes she really deserved to win.

Bunbaker Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:52

Well done to Francis.

whatshallwedo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:52

Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!! grin grin grin grin

MissStrawberry Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:56

Yes! really pleased

Katz Tue 22-Oct-13 20:56:06

Best result, Frances has improved over the weeks and her presentation has been great

Thank goodness for that grin

Pooka Tue 22-Oct-13 20:56:44

Oh good!

wibblyjelly Tue 22-Oct-13 20:56:51

I just woke my son up by cheering loudly...blush

YukonHo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:56:57

She's soooo lovely too!

JaneEyresHeir Tue 22-Oct-13 20:56:57

Well done, Frances thanks

Bunbaker Tue 22-Oct-13 20:57:17

By far the best reality TV around. Sad that the series is over for another year sad

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:57:35

So pleased with their decision even though I wasn't a Frances fan for most of the series. She deserved it and totally won me over by the end.

Pooka Tue 22-Oct-13 20:57:45

And where does all the bias-Ruby-going-to-win talk go to now, considering this was filmed in June?

farrowandbawl Tue 22-Oct-13 20:57:54

Loving the Post Bake Off Fitness from Toby.

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 20:59:03

So pleased with their decision even though I wasn't a Frances fan for most of the series. She deserved it and totally won me over by the end.

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 20:59:49

Next year I'm gong to watch th whole thing. How have I missed this until now!!!!!

rootypig Tue 22-Oct-13 21:00:54

Well done Frances!

and would all the Ruby whingers naysayers please line up to eat their hats grin

Actually, seriously, I found all the Ruby bashing because she is young and pretty and unsure of herself really awful - it's bad enough in RL, I expect more from MN somehow

Badvoc Tue 22-Oct-13 21:02:17

Well done Frances.
Well deserved victory.

KaseyM Tue 22-Oct-13 21:04:56

I agree rootypig - Ruby is only young - we're all entitled to have a few character flaws at that age and she's clearly lacking in confidence.

Hopefully she'll gain some after reaching the final.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 22-Oct-13 21:04:59

Oh I love GBBO. So comforting.

annielewis Tue 22-Oct-13 21:07:11

Young and pretty I have no problem with, fake and whingy I can't abide!

Draculasbride Tue 22-Oct-13 21:07:26

I loved Ruby but I'm glad Frances won she was amazing (that opera cake shock!) didn't like smugy smug smug Kimberley

I spent 10/ weeks watching this, then the sky tv cuts out 3 minutes before the end because of the storm here. Had to come on here to find out who won.

Kimberley was robbed, but Frances' cakes will look prettier in a book.

I have to confess ruby got on my nerves. It was less the shaking and the tears and more of the "it's rubbish" every time. She's young but she's not a child. However, I do think the show was edited to promote that as her USP and while I'm not a fan some of the vitriol directed at her seems very extreme. She's a great baker but in the end her lack of experience and skill development showed.

Preciousbane Tue 22-Oct-13 21:10:16

Good on Frances, lovely wedding cake, I also want to praise whoever does the drawings of the cakes.

I cried when Frances won, in my defence I'm sat in bed with a streaming cold and horribly emotional.

LaundryLegoLunch Tue 22-Oct-13 21:13:41

I also cried. I am perfectly well and sitting on the sofa hmm

wintera Tue 22-Oct-13 21:14:19

Kimberley would have won if it wasn't for that showstopper. I agreed with the judges, I was really surprised by her efforts in that last round. I think that print on the outside sealed her fate. It just looked smudged and messy. Such a shame. I had a feeling Frances was gonna win last week, wish I'd put money on it now! Would have got good odds I reckon!

cocoleBOO Tue 22-Oct-13 21:16:02

So pleased grin

Yay! I'm happy with that result.

Kimberly didn't do very well at all, not her usual standard.

Frances was great, stylish, original and her wedding cake was lovely.

Ruby has spent the last 10 weeks trying to tell everyone how rubbish she is she kind of didn't really help herself.

I'm still majorly in love with Mel and Sue, I want a Mel and Sue sandwich! grin

PeppermintPasty Tue 22-Oct-13 21:22:19

I predict that Frances will do a novelty cakes cookery book that will be rushed out for Christmas. The girl done good.

Mellowandfruitful Tue 22-Oct-13 21:24:09

I wasn't a Ruby fan, but I was surprised when they came straight out with the criticism this week. In earlier weeks I had felt that they'd gone easy on her - for instance, telling her that her canapés were really well presented and looked lovely when in fact they were pretty higgledy-piggledy (Beca's looked better but she didn't get any praise for it). So it must have been a big shock this week when they told her straight out the showstopper wasn't good.

Frances's wedding cake looked miles better than the others. Plus her 'I've learned from this' story fits reality show requirements well.

wintera Tue 22-Oct-13 21:24:15

I tend to agree with whoever it was upthread who said none of them looked amazing. I can remember last year when they showed John's showstopper and I thought 'wow! He's gonna win with that!'. Even though he wasn't the favourite. Frances's did look the best out of the bunch but it still looked a bit wonky. I've got to say I'm kind of disappointed in that final.

SamHamwidge Tue 22-Oct-13 21:29:45

For some reason I imagined it to be a two horse race between Kimberly and ruby. Very surprised how warm and fuzzy I feel that lovely Frances won.

fancyanother Tue 22-Oct-13 21:45:21

I was thinking the showstoppers weren't brilliant this year, especially for a wedding cake. They could have been given more time and told to really go to town. I did think Frances' cake was the prettiest and the only one which I would have been pleased to have as a wedding cake, and even that was a bit simple, although beautiful.

Bunnygotwhacked Tue 22-Oct-13 21:46:01

I don't think anyone bashed Ruby on her looks it was purely her sulky attitude and the way paul and mary always seemed placate her and i don't think that was just editing. Glens "I've got a feeling it will be ruby" little shrug must of been the most positive comment they could get from the other contestants which says a lot.

I am so so pleased for Francis but now i want cake

Bunnygotwhacked Tue 22-Oct-13 21:48:15

ack i did it i mean Frances

awaynboilyurheid Tue 22-Oct-13 21:49:00

Thought that Francis would win see earlier post! delighted for her got quite emotional ! but agree with rootypigit was very disappointing the amount of nastiness jealousy directed at Ruby was disheartening and not in GBBO spirit , kind of made me lose faith a bit in human nature , but she was in the final so should be very proud of herself and has amazing talent too.

StainlessSteelBegonia Tue 22-Oct-13 21:49:14

Well, I thought all the showstoppers looked really disappointing. Frances' idea was great - I loved the confetti concept - but looked childish. Kimberley's was smudgy and like bad DYI. Ruby's was just terrible. None of them had the time to create a good tiered cake, I think.

I have a friend who is the most incredible baker - scientist by day, pâtissier by night. He made my (incredible) wedding cake. I asked him last week if he's consider entering GBBO, and he flatly refused because he doesn't want to have to bake against time pressure to add excitement to a TV programme. After seeing those wedding cakes tonight, I get where he's coming from.

nannyj Tue 22-Oct-13 21:53:57

They should have given them more time to do that show stopper. I know lack of time adds suspense but this time it just made the cakes look blah. Apart from Frances the rest of the cakes looked like kids did them. Imagine what France's could have made if she'd have had more time.

Moln Tue 22-Oct-13 21:54:41

Right!! I'm now off to catch up with what I can off the Great Irish Bake Off , which I'm also getting into late <sigh>

ExcuseTypos Tue 22-Oct-13 21:59:35

I agree that they weren't given enough time. Another hour and they could have produced real show stoppers. A shame, as they'd all produced so much better on other programmes.

I also thought that making pretzels was really, very boring for a final.

Oh dear poor Kimberley I don't think the"I'm going to piss on some newspaper and press it into some icing" was the look she was going for. Shame as she was brilliant normally, mustmust have had a bad week. Well done Frances!

chartreuse Tue 22-Oct-13 22:02:53

Really pleased that Frances won, but I must say I have been really surprised at the comments on all the Bake Off threads this week. Ruby was slated for her low self esteem and Kimberly derided because her self esteem was too high. Cheers sisters.

Not MNs proudest moment.

chocoluvva Tue 22-Oct-13 22:03:59

I am deeeeeeeeeeeelighted with the result.

6 hours to bake 3 different cakes, stack em on top of each other and decorate them to wedding standard?! Don't people normally spend days over these things?
Looking forward to next year's GBBO already grin

riverboat Tue 22-Oct-13 22:11:25

My baker friend made a family wedding cake last year, he did it over 24 hours and was totally rushed even in that time. There is a lot of cooling then first icing then setting then second icing then stacking then final decorating involved apparently, and you can't get a good finish without adequate time for all that.

PoppyScarer Tue 22-Oct-13 22:21:38

Although I've watched previous series I have missed this one entirely partly because Paul Hollywood put me off and only just read about Frances just now online. Might have been in the DM.

Now please forgive me if someone has already said this BUT...she designs children's clothes for a living? I distinctly remember that we have a children's clothes designer in our midst. From a vvvvvv old thread complaining about children's clothes and how they are designed.

<puts two and two together and makes eleventy billion>

<waves at Frances>

because clearly there can only be one children's clothes designer on MN when millions of people post per day grin

BloodiedGhouloshes Tue 22-Oct-13 22:23:08

Oooh, if Frances is here- I had a bit of a girl crush on her. She looked like someone I would really like as my friend.

PoppyScarer Tue 22-Oct-13 22:27:09

I read some more DM, cough cough and she designs clothes for Joules.

I luffs her.

Anyone seen this?
Ruby replies

BloodiedGhouloshes Tue 22-Oct-13 23:05:22

Good for her.

I think that article by Ruby is spot on.

Bit gutted for Kimberley but fair play to Frances-definitely the better baker tonight.

CointreauVersial Tue 22-Oct-13 23:11:40

Good for Ruby, writing that article.

I thought it was a two-horse race between Kimberley and Ruby, but then Frances steals up on the rails and beats them both.

I think they all did brilliantly, and I can't believe how utterly entertaining a series about Baking turned out to be. grin

Ruby writes very well.

Meglet Wed 23-Oct-13 07:18:15

The final cakes were a real let down. This is the first GBBO series I've seen and was expecting some beauties, they really should have given them more time.

Snargaluff Wed 23-Oct-13 07:29:35

She's right. They were judged for things they wouldn't have been judged for if they were men

riverboat Wed 23-Oct-13 07:45:29

I think Ruby is being naive. Contestants on reality shows are literally putting themselves forward to be judged. Surely we all know by now that viewers and commentators inevitably judge such contestants not only on their skills but their personalities too. And of course people get carried away and go over the top, which is horrible, but it is by no means unique to this show. Anyone and everyone in the public eye is subject to 'twitter hate' and negative commentary.

Raymond Blanc is a twat though.

riverboat Wed 23-Oct-13 07:47:29

And I think men ARE judged for being overly confident or smug. Maybe not so much for being under confident / meek though.

WangoFandango Wed 23-Oct-13 08:06:00

I felt sorry for them all; it is physically impossible to produce a 3 tier cake with a high finish in 6 hrs, they needed double that. The finished articles did look very am but that should have been no surprise to anyone.

Bunnygotwhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 08:12:04

It was the way it was edited or indeed the way that the contestants/ judges actually behaved that had people frothing. It was the whole everyone brings up their bakes to the bench and gets told "this is wrong" "that doesn't work" etc etc. Ruby comes up with what frequently looks like a pile of poo and gets told "this is wonderful" "isn't that just fabulous" "look you have that exactly right"
It wasn't because she was a woman it wasn't because she cried It was the blatant favoritism that was shown to the public via editing or showing it how it really was that people felt was unfair to the other contestants and got people riled.
The Oh she's young comments from mainly Mary were wearing as well. How old was john last year 19? she had just done her degree so had james from last year none of which got any of them let off with crap bakes.

doormat Wed 23-Oct-13 08:19:10

bunny well said...
her bakes were mostly insulting to the others and she was getting applauded for it

yet sisterhood accuses us because she is young and pretty we must be jealous

no she was ahit end of

doormat Wed 23-Oct-13 08:19:33

shit not ahit lol

ArabellaPilkington Wed 23-Oct-13 09:21:10

Am so pleased Frances won. A lovely talented lady.

GinGinGin Wed 23-Oct-13 09:30:06

Brilliant article by Ruby & she got a 1st in her degree - amazing achievement.

Preciousbane Wed 23-Oct-13 09:37:46

Laundry I am someone that rarely cries. So I surprised myself.

France's was interviewed on BBC breakfast this morning, she came across very well and they did bring up about all the nastiness on social media.

ExcuseTypos Wed 23-Oct-13 09:40:36

doormat everything she made, the judges said tasted amazing- so it wasn't shit was it? I don't understand why people think its ALL about how the bake looks. That's only half the story.

In fact Frances got lots of flack in the early rounds because her stuff looked amazing, but tasted awful. She was kept in. Ruby had the opposite problem and she was kept in. Both deserved to be in the final.

Mollydoggerson Wed 23-Oct-13 09:41:31

Well done to Frances for winning she deserved it. She seems so nice and calm.

Mellowandfruitful Wed 23-Oct-13 09:44:06

GinGinGin I believe Ruby got a first in her first year exams, so there is still two years for her to do yet - although it clearly shows she is very good at her subject and likely to come out with an excellent result.

I haven't been a fan but I agree with her article. It's moved her up in my estimation.

chocoluvva Wed 23-Oct-13 09:51:44

In defence of the Ruby critics - the criticism has been of her behaviour. And the fact it doesn't seem in the spirit of the programme.

Great article by Ruby.
Have enjoyed catching bits of the show.
Sue Perkins is the best thing about it smile

BMW6 Wed 23-Oct-13 10:07:07

I was totally shock at Kimberley's wedding cake. Looked like something a 12 year old would throw together.
No real design at all - just white icing and random stuff here and there. Silver balls FFS!!

Surely they are given weeks to get design ideas - she could at least have thumbed thru some wedding mags to get an idea of how modern wedding cakes can look!!

Do you think she was on glue for the final?

ZombieZing Wed 23-Oct-13 10:20:13

I was shock at Kimberly's cake too.
no idea why they only had 6 hours, that's ridiculous, but she could have used a bit of colour.
Paul struggled to not say "boring" I think.
coz sadly it was.
she could have used some coloured/shaded icing, a bit of white decoration, throw on some edible glitter - done.

I absolutely loved Frances' desiccated veg and fruit idea!

good post. I totally agree.

mignonnette Wed 23-Oct-13 10:23:01

Going on GBBO could be damaging to your professional credibility as seen by the ridiculous time given to produce a wedding cake. No patisseiere wishing to maintain their business credibility after the show would wish to be remembered by photos of those 'showstoppers' attached to their name.

It was a ridiculous challenge that undermined the show. Keep the showstopper as a selection of patisserie chosen by each finalist.

squoosh Wed 23-Oct-13 10:32:20

Kimberley's cake looked like a dusty display cake that you see in some down at heel bakeries.

Dancergirl Wed 23-Oct-13 10:55:47

mellow I would have thought at 21 she'd finished her degree, unless she went to uni late.

chocoluvva Wed 23-Oct-13 10:58:10

I thought it said she got a first class degree.

According to her mum she's a driven perfectionist. (obviously a clever one)

mignonnette Wed 23-Oct-13 11:00:16

She passed her first year exams (which don't count towards the final award unless your grades are on the cusp). She has not gained her degree yet.

chocoluvva Wed 23-Oct-13 11:04:54

Oh. Is that what it said at the end of the programme?

mignonnette Wed 23-Oct-13 11:07:57

Yes that was where I read it.

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Wed 23-Oct-13 13:31:10

The only reason people are reacting to the way she is treated is due to the affair Paul Hollywood had
I was watching the American version the other day. They were doing a technical challenge and the American version of Mel and Sue said to Marcella and Paul "you two judges have to go to your tent - whatever it is you two get up to in there who knows ?"

I did have a good old laugh at that bearing in mind the revelations about their relationship

Badvoc Wed 23-Oct-13 13:39:35

The cakes werent that great tbh, but then 6 hours for a wedding cake really isn't enough.
Frances' was by far and away the best.
Kimberly's was just...awful! Smudgy writing, and silver beads put on wonkily!
Ruby's was - typically - a bit rough looking but tasted great according to the judges.
It had to be Frances after that.
I hope next year they give the contestants enough time to actually so what they are being asked to do.

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel Wed 23-Oct-13 13:44:04

and one final point. I'm used to be a professional patissier and still run cake decorating business from home. I work extremely quickly (needs must when working full time + child + own business !!) but even I would blanch at producing a 3 tier wedding cake from scratch in 6 hours.

I haven't watched the final yet - did they have to bake the cakes as well in that time ? shock

squoosh Wed 23-Oct-13 13:53:24

The pretzels were beyond boring.

Mollydoggerson Wed 23-Oct-13 14:13:29

Yes cakes were baked within that time frame. Very hard on them all.

ZombieZing Wed 23-Oct-13 14:15:33


they weren't even the proper big-as-your-head ones you get at funfairs or carnivals etc.

that was the most ridiculous technical challenge.

Badvoc Wed 23-Oct-13 14:31:24

Hard...yes. The cakes had to be baked and cooled in that time too.
And each tier was a different flavour/type of cake too!
I like baking and am ok at it, but there is no way I could do that.
Or rather, I could so that, but the resulting cake would look as bad as theirs did.
Surely they had lots of time to work on their cake ideas though!?
I would have used merangues (sp?) as a base for them I think....sort of baked Alaska cake tiers with a snow queen type theme......?

wickeddevil Wed 23-Oct-13 14:44:48

Glad Frances Won. I liked Kimberly too.

And Becca, Christine, Glenn, Howard and Rob.

Baking shows should be judged on their baking.

Eastwickwitch Wed 23-Oct-13 15:04:12

I'd love to know how they keep the result so secret. The contestants' close friends and family must know.

ViviPru Wed 23-Oct-13 15:36:37

I distinctly remember that we have a children's clothes designer in our midst. From a vvvvvv old thread complaining about children's clothes and how they are designed.

Highly likely that was me... but I am not Francis (^or AM I?^) No really I'm not her.

I am however thrilled to discover this week I am one degree of separation from her; one of my best friends was at university with her doing the same course. Small world, Leicester fashion.

Totes buggers up my chances of being picked for GBBO in the future though, my application form would get flagged up by the diversity radar... Early <cough> 30s, white, middle class, Leicestershire children's fashion designer... Sorry, not this series thank you.

mignonnette Wed 23-Oct-13 15:48:13

Eastwick Keeping it secret depends on so many people keeping schtum but it doesn't always work because i have known for a while who the winner is. I did mention it MN here that I knew and how I knew (accidentally overhearing a person who works on the show discuss it when in my house) but managed to not give away any clues. (Despite a couple of MNers Pming me to ask!)

Word of the series has to be Ruddy grin must try to use it in my every day life!

MissStrawberry Wed 23-Oct-13 16:11:35

I don't think Ruby writes that well and why is accusations of flirting with Paul Hollywood "inevitable"? Clearly playing into the we-can-only-be-on-telly-because-we-are-pretty or else she thinks she is gorgeous.

ViviPru Wed 23-Oct-13 16:12:19

mignonette there must be a media blackout on it too otherwise less scrupulous people who find out in similar circs to you would be cashing it in with the press....

mignonnette Wed 23-Oct-13 16:46:36

I am amazed and pleased that it was kept quiet. I know there are contracts stipulating what can and cannot be discussed and with whom but they cannot put an entire extended family under contract and there are a lot of people who know. I would never have ruined it for anybody. I didn't tell my DH or my daughter who the winner was.

Eastwickwitch Wed 23-Oct-13 16:51:31

mignonnette, you could've put a bet on!
I'm delighted we didn't know the result, but I wonder what all that kerfuffle with Raymond Blanc was about.

mignonnette Wed 23-Oct-13 16:57:52

I did consider it but one of my longest held moral thingies is no gambling because I do have well controlled compulsive tendencies and I think it might open a can of worms. Plus I think it might be illegal to bet when you have insider information? Does anybody know?

Bogeyface Wed 23-Oct-13 18:41:13

Couldnt stand Frances and her simpering, her bakes were consistently poor compared to her decorating, and Ruby with her teenage tantrummy pouts pissed me off too so I wanted Kimberley to win.

fancyanother Wed 23-Oct-13 18:48:42

i disagree with Ruby's article too. I don't use Twitter, so don't know about all the nastiness and mysogony she complained about, but the criticism of her, I think is fair. She seemed to be constantly moaning and using false modesty to fish for compliments. Her reactions to the criticisms in newspapers and social media don't come across as someone who is crippled by lack of self confidence. If anything, she was the one playing up to the simpering wet female stereotype, and it seemed as if she was doing it to gain an advantage.

ZombieZing Wed 23-Oct-13 18:57:27

who the hell is Raymond Blanc?

edam Wed 23-Oct-13 19:35:33

Constantly moaning and fishing for compliments is partly in the edit though - it's the director and editors who select which shots they use, out of hours of filming. There's something like at least 16 hours of filming, if not more, which they edit down to make an interesting programme.

Admittedly they couldn't show Ruby putting her head on one side and saying she thought her bake would be awful if she hadn't said it... but it's only a few seconds out of those 16+ hours, there will be lots of other stuff she said and did that was left out.

Merguez Wed 23-Oct-13 19:58:53

You don't have to be on Twitter to read some of the misogynistic comments addressed at Ruby and Kimberley. There have been plenty on this thread.

EugenesAxe Thu 24-Oct-13 13:58:50

Personally I'm glad Frances won. I think Ruby would have done it had her final showstopper not been so abysmally decorated.... if they had given it to her based on the overall strength of her baking (which was undoubtedly excellent; that picnic pie!), the show would have been ridiculed using that as the target.

I got a bit narked when she was awarded Star Baker for that pants looking allotment thing. 'The chocolate work is good' - oh, right Paul... so cracked and fingerprinted chocolate is OK because it's been tempered? hmm

I couldn't help laughing at Paul's musing over Ruby's cakes in the showstopper, when he ended with an incredulous 'I think it's been overbaked' - I half expected a 'Dah- Dah- DDDDAAAAAAAH!!!' sound effect over the top.

Oblomov Thu 24-Oct-13 17:39:36

Was very surprised Frances won. Out of the three, I thought she had the least chance.
I am still not entirely sure on why she won. What was Paul and Mary's criteria. It was a shock to me.
Pleased for her. But just surprised.

Oblomov Thu 24-Oct-13 17:44:44

I thought all the wedding cakes were really really poor. I know the ones you see made by cake shops , ebay, etc, take hours, and the contestants didn't have that long. But even then, I thought the finished product, from all 3 of them was shockingly terrible.

flippinada Thu 24-Oct-13 17:46:29

When I think about it, I wonder it wasn't cleverly edited to make Frances' win seem like a bit surprise - so we saw Frances as the underdog, Ruby as the favourite/judges pet and Kimberley as the slightly too big for their boots front runner?

Replace Frances with John, Ruby with James and Kimberley with Brendan...they did the same last year.

flippinada Thu 24-Oct-13 17:47:05

I wonder if it wasn't celeverly edited...

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BigBoPeep Thu 24-Oct-13 19:54:00

Ruby's article merely confirms her fakery throughout for me. She now seems keen to distance herself from the GBBO 'silliness' and reinvent herself as 'serious food writer'....which just so happened to be the career she wanted. Maybe fans don't like being used, Ruby?

Davros Thu 24-Oct-13 22:39:07

I'm prepared to believe that zither worst if Ruby, and all of them vine to that, was down to editing but I'm very pleased that Frances won.

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