Downton Abbey anyone

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CMP69 Sun 22-Sep-13 09:09:48

Or am I just an old gimmer with a period drama fetish wink

MrsBennetsEldest Sun 22-Sep-13 09:11:36

Old gimmer here too.
I shall be making a tray of lovely things to snack on and have gin next to me . So looking forward to tonight .

TheGirlFromIpanema Sun 22-Sep-13 09:14:36

I only started watching last series but its perfect Sunday night TV isn't it?
I love it and can't wait for this series but I may record them at watch in batches as the nights get colder grin

omri Sun 22-Sep-13 09:20:18

Just to confirm- it starts tonight right?

MorrisZapp Sun 22-Sep-13 09:21:32

Aye, there's a mini spoiler in the RT

CMP69 Sun 22-Sep-13 11:16:16

Yes tonight ITV1 9pm, but I will have to watch it tomorrow as DH would commit suicide if I subjected him to it sad

Ladytron Sun 22-Sep-13 11:20:58

Yes all ready with the tissues here too.

Wooooo yeah so excited

Crutchlow35 Sun 22-Sep-13 12:36:16

Checking in.

It is on series link and I can't wait!!

I was just saying to dh that I actually have butterflies in my tummy I am that excited. He on the other hand looks in pain at the thought of it!

bizziebee Sun 22-Sep-13 13:19:18

Been watching in on catch-up tv to try and get up to speed before tonight. Still bit traumatised by the end of the last episode. Not sure I have forgiven Julian Fellowes

It wasn't JFs fault. Dan Stevens decided to leave.

Very excited for tonight.

CMP69 Sun 22-Sep-13 13:53:52

Mary is going to be a real merry widow grin Apparently she has a fling with Branson angry

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 16:40:22

Nobody is going to be allowed to have children whilst living at Downton Abbey anymore, as it is surely a death sentence for one of the parents.

SirChenjin Sun 22-Sep-13 16:42:46

Ooooh - it starts tonight??!

Mary is so going to end up with Branson. My prediction is that it will be a will they/won't they thing for ages.

SirChenjin Sun 22-Sep-13 16:43:22

Oh - have just seen CMPs post blush

Thewhingingdefective Sun 22-Sep-13 16:47:27

I was never a lover of period type drama and didn't watch Downton when it was first on telly, but for some reason I bought all the series on my iPad and loved it. I can't wait for tonight, although I have got quite used to watching it by myself, so will be annoyed if Mr Whinging makes any comments.

Thewhingingdefective Sun 22-Sep-13 16:48:21

Mary and Branson... Woah!

SirChenjin Sun 22-Sep-13 17:10:50

You mark my words - it will be DA's equivalent of Ross and Rachel <nods sagely>

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 18:21:27

I'm in.

I want Edith to be interesting and happy with her newspaper man this series. I actually cried when she was jilted blush

Loupee Sun 22-Sep-13 18:52:25

Excited here as well, but will be recording it as going round a friends, plus my viewing won't be slowed down by pesky adverts.
Not sure how I feel about Mary and Branson.

fussychica Sun 22-Sep-13 19:06:23

Agree with Loupee recording as an hours viewing plus 30 mins of adverts would drive me insane - going to a pub quiz anyway.
Not sure how I feel about watching it now though.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 19:54:59

CMP tell your husband look at something else! you don't want to get spoilered grin

Maryz Sun 22-Sep-13 20:00:21

I missed the end of the last series and have been meaning to catch up online. Too late now - though I suspect it will be easy enough to work out what's up.

What year are they at now?

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 20:01:24

I'm in! Can't wait. Bit disappointed to learn the slightly evil O'Brian isn't going to be in it though.

I've been to Highclere, it's stunning.

<not so stealth boast>

Maryz Sun 22-Sep-13 20:01:54

I've just seen Kevin McCloud's bum shock

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 20:02:47

No way Mary and Branston. You are quite simply wrong.

Can't wait to see if Baby Sybie has got as big as the Rolls Royce yet!

Maryz Sun 22-Sep-13 20:03:00

Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 20:03:44

Oh and just remember Dennis Rickman from Eastenders is in it. I love him.

ChoudeBruxelles Sun 22-Sep-13 20:04:20

Ooooh didn't realise it was back on tonight. Dh will be sooo pleasedwink

SirChenjin Sun 22-Sep-13 20:10:38

Why is O'Brien not in it? She was one of the best characters sad

Yes way Mary and Branson - you mark my words!

grin at Mary and Kevin's bum - that really would cause a stir down Downton way!

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 20:17:34

I know, sirchen, don't know why she's been written out. sad

CMP69 Sun 22-Sep-13 20:23:38

Well jeal now
Can't look again until I have watched it sad . Might be late for school as have to squeeze it in between work and 3:15 wink

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 20:33:10

Is OBrian really out? I'm surprised by that too.

What part is Dennis Rickman playing?

campion Sun 22-Sep-13 20:56:18

O'Brien was one of the best characters.Downstairs won't be the same.

Dan Stevens was a bit wet IMO but he did put a bit of a dampener on xmas jollities here at campion towers.

pretty sure I read somewhere that o brien asked to be written out. I think it was getting a bit boring. Dennis from eastenders makwa me even happier. and dh has gone for a bath!

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 20:59:08

According to the feature in the TV guide I've got, TSS, yes.

Even after I read it I had to check the picture to make sure! blush

I've never watched it before but want to. Do you think I will get it even though I've not seen the previous series'?

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:00:37

Right here now from th'X factor thread.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:00:54

I have wine and a Frys peppermint cream. DH banished.

Loopytiles Sun 22-Sep-13 21:02:09

Urgh, not branston!

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:03:01

Bring on the Dogs arse!

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:03:23

Horlicks time...

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:04:37

I hope they flashback to Matthew dying, it was hilarious.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:05:16

LOVE Mary's hair.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 21:05:16

What's happened to the theme music?

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:05:20

Horlicks Bof?

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:06:15

O'Brien saw the writing on the wall, I reckon.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:07:59

Only because DP bought Red Mountain coffee and it tastes like dishwater, Edna.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:12:43

Why do men do that Bof? smile Although I did mean wine

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:14:28

Isn't that just like twatty bum bum. Manages to forget his own daughter only died a couple of years ago.


takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:15:31

It's on now???? Where?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:15:50

How could Matthew not have made a will. He was a solicitor FFS.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:16:03


OldRoan Sun 22-Sep-13 21:16:56

I think they will pair up Rose and Branson.

It's 90 minutes again...will it be like last time with mammoth advert breaks?

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:17:09

Isobel <sob>

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:17:53

Ooh she looks like she's up to no good.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:18:04

Ooh isn't it her that fancied Branston?

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:18:04

Thank you! I'm onto it now.. Can someone please give me an update of what happened in the last 15 min. Please????

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 21:19:03

Have a few bits of the dialogue been a bit stilted, or is it just me?

Well I'm still interested. It I'm defiantly going to have to try watch the previous series' before the next episode. Is that even possible..

Matthew not making a will? Yeah right <insert clunky plot device here>

Still a I think there are three so you will have a job!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:20:34

They are going to have to make this series about more than "oh look the women can't get their hands on the family money". We did that in series 1.

I'm getting crosser that Matthew didn't have a will. I mean that they have written that he didn't have a will. It's of out if character of him, he was so scathing of twatty bum bums lack of financial planning it's actually inconceivable.

KenDoddsDadsDog Sun 22-Sep-13 21:20:54

grin @ TwattyBumBum

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:21:00

Mary's in black and griefed up.

There's a comedy caricature nanny.

O'brines done a flit.

Matthews not left a will.

Chub has declared Lord TBB a cunt for the first of many occasions.

They've dumped the opening credits with the Dogs Arse angry

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 21:22:50

Think Dennis is going to be someone's valet. O'Brien actress left cos she got sick of it.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:23:22

Do you think they'll find the Will in a secret place. The worlds first computer fr'instance?


JF is about as subtle as a brick in the teeth.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:23:28

Oh yes you've done such a good job of managing the estate so far.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:23:50

I thought he had a remote in his hand for a mo then.

FriskyHenderson Sun 22-Sep-13 21:23:54

Jeez the adverts. I might give up and watch it tomorrow when I can fast forward.

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:24:31

Thank you!! grin

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:24:52

I still like these two. It's her she's adorable

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:24:58

Urgh, Sweaty Bates and his creepy dough-faced smile.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:25:26

I do like zombie Mary.

What is T-B-B reading in bed? Was it the Bible?

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:25:36

Mary has gone all Mrs Danvers.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:26:06

Yes Mary that's exactly where Lavinia stood and watching you snogging her nearly husband. Nice memory.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:26:42

Is he from the circus days?

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:27:01

I really need her out of Mourning and in to those fabulous dresses.

Edith's was nice though.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 22-Sep-13 21:27:13

Hahaha Mary you miserable wagon.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 21:27:21

Why is Mary talking like Galadriel? 'When aaarrre you le-eeving for Lonnnnn Donnnnn?'

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:27:45

Ooh Edith about to get shagged

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 21:28:03

Rose and the maid who fancies Branson are too similar for my liking! I thought she's come in to apply for her own job listing for a moment there...

UmBongo Sun 22-Sep-13 21:28:19

Who was the potential ladies maid applicant who had worked at DA before?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:28:52


Clunk clunk plot point

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:29:20

I think Thomas should be the nanny

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 21:30:27

freya there's loads of doubles - the new kitchen maid looks exactly like Daisy and the new footman looks the same as Daisy's dead husband.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:30:29

Chub genius idea for Thomas!!

wearingpurple Sun 22-Sep-13 21:30:30

"It's the job of grandmothers to interfere". Violet hasn't been to AIBU lately then grin.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:30:40

Yay Maggie grin

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:30:59

What's up with Barrow's teeth!

MrsBramleyApple Sun 22-Sep-13 21:31:01

Who is the girl in the Post Office?
Why did Moseley lose his job?

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 21:31:16

Oh yes, the reincarnation of Daisy's husband is creepy as fuck!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:31:23

Granny will fix everything - Moseley's unemployment, Mary's doldrums, twatty's attempts to run things, the lot.

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 21:32:16

I want Rose's stripy dressing-gown-coat... looks cosy...

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:33:01

I didn't think she'd be that quick.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:33:10

Ah, I love a bit of forelock-tugging.

motherto4 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:34:24

I love it how the dowager scurries around and waves her magic wand to try and solve everyone's problems.

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 21:35:12

In advert news, the Tesco Finest sponsors are less annoying to me that the snooty cruise ones of last season.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:35:44

Moseley lost his job because he was valet to Matthew MrsBramley

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 22-Sep-13 21:35:58

So DH has worked out the basis for my previous interest on the show and noticed my enthusiasm has dimmed this to round. Maggie's still compelling though and I have high hopes for Edith!!!

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 21:36:17

grin at Chubfuddler

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:36:28

What's nice about granny is she's an equal opportunities interferer - even the servants get the benefit.

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:36:51

Who is daisy again and rose? Is Ross the petulant cousin? Daisy the cook's assistant?

MrsBramleyApple Sun 22-Sep-13 21:37:09

Thankyou! I am now getting into DA at Series 4!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 22-Sep-13 21:37:10

Wearingpurple grin

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 21:38:12

Don't like Edith's bloke, the phrase "wet fish" just springs to mind every time I see his face.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 21:38:17

I'd forgotten about the two Charlies grin

motherto4 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:39:49

The girl was a maid who tried to get it on with Branson.

Moseley was working for Matthew...

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:40:28


FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 21:40:32

"Take an interest in me, Lady Mary!... And then take your knickers off!!"


NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 21:41:04

Rose is the cousin. Daisy is the former kitchen maid who now assists Mrs Patmore.

Is George her son? She will be interested in her son?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:43:22

Now we have two unemployed man servants. What do they mean to do with all these spare bodies?

I love how Carson calls branston "sir" like he's talking in inverted commas.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:43:30

Now we have two unemployed man servants. What do they mean to do with all these spare bodies?

I love how Carson calls branston "sir" like he's talking in inverted commas.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:43:40

Lady Mary is not going to go with Branson, she's far too snobby. We'll have too wait for Lord So n So to rock up smile

slightlysnippy Sun 22-Sep-13 21:44:15

Who's in the workhouse? I'm confused.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:44:27

Branston isn't after Mary.

What is with the nanny and Thomas?

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:44:29

Mrs Patmore looms younger?

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:44:57

Loons? Lol. Looks.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:45:24

Ooh like the frock Mary.

Stick some diamonds on. Do your stuff.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 21:45:42

slightlysnippy he was Mr Carson's old partner on the variety stage in song and dance act.

I reckon lady Mary will have a fling with the <whisper it> black jazz singer. Not pickle! No way.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:46:14

Thomas is evil grin

Ooh Thomas is back on form!

campion Sun 22-Sep-13 21:47:20

They'd have had 2 nannies-main one and an assistant. Even nannies had days off.

Ooh - that Barrow is evil.

motherto4 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:47:20

Bitchy Mary in her element.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:47:27

I love Thomas.

And Carson. And Mary. Even when she's being a cow. She was like this when Carson expressed doubts about that nasty paper bloke.

He was right then too.

Galadriel - ha ha ha! Thank you for that.

What's going on with Nanny West? Will she redesign the nursery and rig the conservatory?

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:48:17

I love Lady Mary

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:49:02

Shut up twatty.

Love granny.


slightlysnippy Sun 22-Sep-13 21:49:05

Ahh thank you Polka.

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:50:34

Why is rose living there? I vaguely remember an episode when she was asked to move in because of her bad behaviour? Or have I confused things?

KaseyM Sun 22-Sep-13 21:51:07

Me too. She's so classy and even does mourning with elegance. I think she'll end up with BIL cos they both know what it's like to lose a loved one.

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 21:51:17

Loved lady Mary's flounce.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:51:46

Roses parents have gone to India

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:52:09

You're right Take plus they need some glamour to offset Galadrial Mary.

The plot line with Dance Partner and Isobel is preposterous.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 21:52:35

Don't like Rose.

Still think there is something weird about Thomas' teeth.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 21:52:39

Hugh Bonneville looks like he's got a rod up his arse. And it's not even his day off.

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:53:38

Thanks!! One more question.. Who's isobel?

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:53:43

£50 says Mosely does himself in.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 21:54:05

Matthews mother Take

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 21:54:39

Anyone want to hazard a guess at what dark clouds are going to befall the Bates? Apparently there's trouble ahead, now confirmed by all the lovey valentine - swapping...
Don't like Bates and his baggy chops.

Moln Sun 22-Sep-13 21:54:48

why were Thomas and Jimmy smilimg about Mary's flounce?

Mary's doing self indulged widowhood brilliantly!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:55:30

Granny is going to sort her out.

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:55:47

Thanks TSS!!

Crutchlow35 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:55:48

Isobel is Mathews mother.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:56:21

Granny is a MNer clearly

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:56:55

Are we watching train spotting now?

motherto4 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:57:45

Who's Daisy's love interest? The love quadrant - if that's the right phrase - is sooo confusing. Who loves who?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 21:58:18

Has Daisy realised Thomas is gay yet?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 21:59:00

Daisy fancies Albert doesn't she?

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 21:59:27

Ivy's a very well-behaved drunk.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:00:13

Nanny west is a bitch.

squoosh Sun 22-Sep-13 22:01:20

Nanny West is the shiz!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:01:32

Alfred fancies Ivy, but Ivy fancies Jimmy.

Doesn't Thomas fancy Jimmy too?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:02:18

That's not the one who nearly shagged twatty bum bum is it?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:02:48

Something fishy here.

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:02:56

Penelope Wilton does grief beautifully.

Rose and the Pickle-fancying maid seem to be conspiring about something...

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:03:16

Is Albert O'Brien's nephew Chub ie the one that looks exactly like her dead husband that she didn't fancy??

Thomas fancies Jimmy. Ivy fancies Jimmy. Jimmy pretends to fancy Ivy. Albert fancies Ivy. Daisy fancies Albert. Is that the quadrant?

But does anyone fancy Daisy?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:03:18

Thomas does fancy jimmy but they are friends now and ok with each other

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:03:29

How does Rose know her? confused

And Cora, if in doubt speak to Mrs Hughes!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:03:49

I think jimmy fancies daisy

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:04:15

Besides Dead William.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:05:23

So is Jimmy defo not gay then? I think I'd shag Thomas whether I was gay straight or Australian.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:05:50

That maid wasnt the one that snogged Lord TBB, she went after Branston and Mrs H binned her. The reference is a good one to get shot of her.

Looking forward to Battle of the Butlers.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:05:55

Yes Albert is obriens nephew.

Mama1980 Sun 22-Sep-13 22:06:08

Who is the maid?!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Sun 22-Sep-13 22:06:09

I think it is the one that snogged Twatty. Didn't she have a son and was pretending to be a widow, or was she really a widow? Didn't Twatty get her son a place at a school?

I still think jimmy fancies Thomas in secret

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:06:18

They all teased him because he was tall, umm, I don't think he was that interesting last series was he?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:06:38

It is only 1922 nugget.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:07:07

So is Jimmy defo not gay then? I think I'd shag Thomas whether I was gay straight or Australian.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:07:08

No, that was Ethel, the red-haired one who had a baby with that man who was staying. Did she give him to his grandparents in the end?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:07:30

No it's the one who snogged branston. I just can't remember when. Was it after Sybil died?

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:08:09

Yes Chub

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:08:38

The one that snogged twatty had a boy of about ten who twatty helped get into ripon grammar. And have some money to.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:08:50

Posted twice.

I know Chub I was just saying I love Thomas really. I loved him in Corrie too.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:10:00

That didn't go very well

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:10:16

We definitely need to see Thomas get it on with somebody this season. He hasn't had any action since season one!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:10:20

Poor young Mr Molesley sad

He has TB hasn't he?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 22-Sep-13 22:10:22

Poor Moseley!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:10:39

Not Mr Molesley, the Charlie man.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:11:26

Like the frock Edith.

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:12:14

Edith's dress!!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:12:45


clunk clunk

TheBookofRuth Sun 22-Sep-13 22:13:38

Gosh hasn't Edith got glamorous? Even got her legs out c

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 22:13:38

Ooh, Edith is such a tramp.

diddl Sun 22-Sep-13 22:13:39

Isn't the maid Edna-played by MyAnna Boring who 'tried it on' with Brandon whilst most of them were in Scotland?

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:14:26

Oh Cora, you are such a wally.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:16:11

Oh I love these little tizzes the children get into

diddl Sun 22-Sep-13 22:16:20

And wasn't Isabel the only one who knew, or did Mrs Hughes also?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:17:40

I have forgotten this entire thing

I must still have been shell shocked by Sybil dying.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 22:18:25

Cora is such a bloody drip

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 22:19:24

I can't really remember what she did either?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:19:51

You would have to be to spend 30 odd years simpering across the table at twatty

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:20:11

Chub I thought it was series three starting tonight, I've obviously blocked a lot out hmmgrin

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:20:24

I remember when the most shocking thing a maid did was buy a typewriter

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:20:57

She was quite good in series one, but she's become progressively wetter.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:20:58

Chub I think we were all bamboozled by the sheer size of Baby Sybie. It was hard to see the HUGE PLOT BANNERS past the poor child's enormous head.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 22:21:04

She does simper, doesn't she? She really embodies the word.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Sun 22-Sep-13 22:21:27

Is it two different maids? The one who snogged Twatty, and then this other one who came on to Pickle?

diddl Sun 22-Sep-13 22:21:32

Why are there death duties?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:21:46

Poor giant baby Sybil.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:22:01

Fucking bitch

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:22:26

Yay! Cora's doing something!

AnyCraic Sun 22-Sep-13 22:22:40

Never been so underwhelmed by an episode! Didn't think I would be saying this, but without Matthew it's missing something. Seems sort of clunky sad

Ooh Nannie West is a biatch!!!!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:23:05

Thomas was right though. She ordered sybie not to given supper.


Woo yeah Cora found a spine!

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:23:14

Hang on, she strapped them back on then. GO CORA!!

TheBookofRuth Sun 22-Sep-13 22:23:39

Good for you Cora!

Twatty bum's saucy maid isn't the same one who snogged pickle.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:24:02

WTF are you doing whst daddy tells you for? Tell him to get to fuck.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:24:19

And <fingers crossed> Mary's waking up a bit...

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:24:33

Has Mary found one too?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 22-Sep-13 22:24:42

Still alive!!! Hahahaha Mary

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:25:32

Aaah poor Mary.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:25:57


Mary won't be told to get back in her box! Yay

TheBookofRuth Sun 22-Sep-13 22:26:42

Carson reminds me of my grandad. hmm

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:26:48

Maybe Mosley could be the nanny

monkeymax58 Sun 22-Sep-13 22:27:13

I luff Lady Edith's green dress....stunning! smile

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:27:56

Proper theme tune smile

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:28:15

LOOK the sun is rising and Mary is awakening


PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:28:56

Is Mary going to appear?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:29:06

And will she come to the lunch looking fucking awesome

Of course

KaseyM Sun 22-Sep-13 22:29:19

I wish my butler was as nice as Carson. grin

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:29:33


And she's in half mourning smile

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 22-Sep-13 22:29:36

Go Mary!

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:29:51

Quick everyone have a fake and remarkably unitelligible conversation before Lady Mary arrives! Actually laughable.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 22-Sep-13 22:30:01

Yay! Go on Mary

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:30:04

I could so write this stuff


KaseyM Sun 22-Sep-13 22:30:04

Go Mary! Shake those old fuddy duddies up!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:31:08

It's picked up a bit now, it only took...ooh, 50 minutes and about helf an hour of advertisements.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:31:11

Well, overall I enjoyed it. We complain every series that Ep 1 is crap and then it gets great. Bring on next week.

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 22-Sep-13 22:32:15

Plus I enjoy the threads as much....

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 22:32:20

Chub you need a Sunday night name change to ChubJF it's been like sitting with Mystic Meg grin

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:32:45

I love it. I love it being ploddy and predictable and then one of the ones who can really really act (DMS, Penelope Wilton, Phyllis whatsit) does something wondrously perfect and I get a happy glow.

TheBookofRuth Sun 22-Sep-13 22:33:32

I actually felt a bit sorry for Lady Mary and Mrs Crawley. Everyone going "come on, move on, get over it" - it's only been six months! If DH suddenly died I'm not sure I'd be up to getting out of bed six months later.

Moln Sun 22-Sep-13 22:34:21

excellent, sitting through 573468 adverts was worth it

earthmother33 Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:05

I love Mr Bates!! I actually love him! Ohhhhhh Mr Bates!!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:09

Actually that's a point... how long was a wife supposed to be in mourning for at that time?

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:16

I did enjoy it too, wasn't there a not very subtle theme of helping others though? smile

Eagerly awaiting the whole jazz scene and accompanying scandals to come. The dresses are going to be gorgeous(as ever).

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:22

To rewind there are death duties because twatty had given Matthew half of everything already to show that they were partners.

takeaway2 Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:37

Loved it.

Thanks to MN for alerting me to the start of this series! Looking forward to next one.

To bed I must! Hectic day/week ahead! grin

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:53

Six months in black, six months in lavender.

Babieseverywhere Sun 22-Sep-13 22:37:29

Mary is still in morning. Purple, lilac was acceptable morning colours after a while of dressing in black.

HarderToKidnap Sun 22-Sep-13 22:37:50

Daisy must be rising thirty now. Why are they still portraying her as a teenager?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:37:59

TBF bookofruth in 1922 the entire world could have been in frozen mourning given what they'd gone through. Chin up carry on was the order of the day.

MNPlovesthesunshine Sun 22-Sep-13 22:38:28

Glad Baby Sybil is saved from more abuse, not feeding her sad

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:39:36

Daisy's probably more like mid-twenties. She was only starting out in series one, so was probably aged between 14 and 16.

TheBookofRuth Sun 22-Sep-13 22:40:14

You're right, of course Chubfudler. I didn't think about that.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 22:41:03

Widows in Victorian times were expected to wear full mourning for two years shock

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:41:05

Clearly we are going to have to call obrien Mark II Evil Edna

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Sun 22-Sep-13 22:41:20

Well, let's face it, back in the real world if your DH died you'd have had to go back to work and get on with things a lot earlier than 6 months later. Mary has been wallowing a bit. Loved the deathly exchange with Edith about go be happy in London - d'you reckon Mary was regretting telling Edith there was no point in trying to be friends after Sybil's death?

Poor Daisy. She needs a decent boyfriend! I love her.

Oooh, look, a will/mysterious letter. Hang on, where have we seen that before? Oh yes, Lavinia's father managed to write to Matthew and tell him to spend her money just as he pleased. hmm Nul points for originality, JF.

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 22:41:38

Yeah, series one is set only about 10 years ago and Daisy was only a scullery maid so would have been young.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:41:49

Sorry, yes grey/lilac is half mourning, I knew that. But I wasn't sure how long she'd have to wear black for.

If it were six months for a husband, then she's bang on the nose, and it's just lucky that the scriptwriting Carson's tough love means she can symbolically move into half mourning and become more cheerful at the same time.

HarderToKidnap Sun 22-Sep-13 22:43:38

1910 wasn't it? So twelve years ago. She's 26 at the youngest, and who is still a scullery maid after twelve flipping years?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Sun 22-Sep-13 22:44:02

Did you notice everyone wearing purple at one point - were they all supposed to be in half mourning, d'you reckon? Edith dropped it in London, though.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:44:19

Good point Harder we are 10 years on from
series one and everyone looks exactly the same age as they did then.

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:44:44

1912 is when the Titanic sank, not 1910. Daisy isn't a scullery maid anymore, she's the assistant cook.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 22:45:34

I presume so, the whole family mourns don't they? Especially for an heir. I remember them doing it in the first series.

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 22:46:22

Can someone clarify something re all the popping off to London that seems to go on with such ease:isn't the fictional Downton up North somewhere, so wouldn't it have taken hours and hours on a (steam)train to get to London?
They always seems to be flitting off there at a moment's notice and come back remarkably quickly....

HarderToKidnap Sun 22-Sep-13 22:46:30

Just checked, only ten years, so she could be 24. Still, time for a
A promotion or something?

Moln Sun 22-Sep-13 22:46:44

oh never knew lavender was a mouring colour. half or otherwise

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:47:15

Many cross posts. 1912 as Titanic sank in the first episode. And I don't think Daisy is a scullery maid anymore didn't she get promoted up to being assistant or trainee cook in the last series? When your man was trying to get her to go and live on the farm with him

HarderToKidnap Sun 22-Sep-13 22:48:01

Ok, all my premises were wrong!

Still, just think she is still played as a fairy voiced petulant silly child. Not much character development, even after every thing that's happened to her.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:48:24

Ah I'm too slow to keep up just keep repeating what other people say grin

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:49:14

I thought that about the London thing, hudyerwheesht! They all act like London is just down the road, but surely it would have taken the better part of a day from North Yorkshire on a steam train?!

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 22-Sep-13 22:49:33

I agree Harder she just seems the same.

Moln Sun 22-Sep-13 22:50:10

I think that's been a thing since the start hudyer. I can only presume it's a special express steam train, which fatty bum bought in his squandering years. or maybe London was much more North in the early 20th century

hudyerwheesht Sun 22-Sep-13 22:50:32

Exactly Freya, glad it's not just me.
Steam trains were much slower but everyone acts as if it's a short commute away..hmm

singinggirl Sun 22-Sep-13 22:51:38

I think school leaving age was only about 12 in 1912, so Daisy could be as young as 22.

FreyaFridays Sun 22-Sep-13 22:51:43

Doesn't do much for the viewers across the pond, who believe we all live a stone's throw from the Thames anyway, does it?

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 22:54:33

BOF your Post at 21:52 didn't get the attention it deserved


MadBusLady Sun 22-Sep-13 22:57:50

Thomas is hilarious. That brief moment of "WTF" as Cora thanked him for dobbing Nanny West in was brilliant. He stabs everybody in the back, he's bound to be right about someone sooner or later.

PassTheCremeEggs Sun 22-Sep-13 23:00:40

Actually steam was very quick - incredibly not much slower than trains now! The fastest steam train did about 125mph some time in the 1930s. I think the average was about 85mph so York to London would only be about 2.5 to 3 hours, maybe a bit more.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 23:01:32

Yes Freya like the geography in the Bridget Jones films. The run from her flat to Royal Exchange in her knickers gives me The Rage.

But a good point was made. Matthew got Lavinias dads dosh as well. Will the letter be a treasure hunt?

I wasn't sure at the start. I have always loved Mary but her indifference towards her son made me angry. Glad she's coming round.

I want Carson and Mrs Hughes to get together.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 22-Sep-13 23:02:27

Maybe Mosley could be the nanny


He is blatantly going to top himself though.

BoffinMum Sun 22-Sep-13 23:03:50

I want to be adopted by Violet. I think.

BoffinMum Sun 22-Sep-13 23:05:32

Yes re trains. Cambridge to London took 2 hours, now it takes 1 hour 20.

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 23:05:47

ARF at "a treasure hunt"

pindorasbox Sun 22-Sep-13 23:07:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BoffinMum Sun 22-Sep-13 23:08:07

They have paid death duties on this estate twice in ten years. Nightmare. Why don't they change the entail so Lady Mary can inherit in her own right, I have no idea. It would be cheaper given that the menfolk appear to have a self destruct button.

BoffinMum Sun 22-Sep-13 23:08:41

How exciting Pindora.

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 23:10:10

I reckon the Will gets found in Isis bed.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 23:11:27

At least we don't have the whole "We're Going on an Heir Hunt" this time.

We've re-hashed storylines with maids looking for sex three times, heirs dying twice, a couple of bouts of stealing, Thomas is gay! at least once a series...

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 23:11:32

Baby George is the perfect age to get killed in the Second World War so that'll be a third whack. Then the place will get sold to the national trust in series 12.

Dh's only comment on tonight's episode was when Lady Sybil arrived at St Pancras - apparently it was a Southern Railways train, and there's no way she could have arrived from Thirsk on that.

He does this all the time - I am used to it whenever a modern train appears on TV - it'll be the wrong sort of train for that line, or the inside of the train will be from a totally different train to the outside that we see - I just let it all flow over me, tbh. But if he is going to start doing it with vintage trains too ..... Words fail me.

Arf at O'Brien Mk2 being Evil Edna!

Chubfuddler Sun 22-Sep-13 23:14:53

Lady Sybil's dead so I hope she wasn't on a train.

Buggerlumps - I meant Lady Edith, didn't I?

TSSDNCOP Sun 22-Sep-13 23:16:44

Chub you've forgotten that Edith will be there CLUNK as part of Operation Divorce Lunatic, and will mount a rescue after George is lost behind enemy lines.

pindorasbox Sun 22-Sep-13 23:23:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Teapigging Sun 22-Sep-13 23:27:56

It's a bit rich for the Dowager Duchess to start lecturing Lady Mary on the duties of good mothering, when I distinctly remember her saying to Isobel Crawley seasons ago that she'd seen her own children for an hour a day. On Isobel protesting that that didn't seem a lot, the DD said testily 'But it was every day!'

This was pretty clunky. I've been watching since the start of last season, and still can't tell the gaggle of kitchen maids and manservants apart, and Edith is OBVIOUSLY going to end up basically being a wetter Unity Mitford in Nazi Germany, and have the scriptwriters forgotten Mrs Hughes is supposed to be waiting for the results of cancer tests and holding down a demanding job, rather than being a fulltime busybody?

It seems more than a bit predictable to give one scheming ladies' maid the heave ho, and immediately replace her with another evil minx? And having battered Lord G into a bit of humanity, he's gone all High Handed Patriarch again, and Lady G has gone back to being a bit dim... It's as if no one retread last season's scripts, and plucked the idea of Helping One Another out of the air at random!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Sun 22-Sep-13 23:31:36

I wanted Rose to do something outrageous.

Mind you, she might next week, although it looked rather like when Sybil went to the womens' rights rally, and was saved by Branson. Perhaps Alfred could save her, and provide even more things for Carson to harumph at.

Do we actually have a chauffeur at the moment? Or after Branson did they think they wouldn't bother?

pindorasbox Sun 22-Sep-13 23:34:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

hifi Sun 22-Sep-13 23:35:08

Is theman from the workhouse Carsons old lover??

Noseynoonoo Sun 22-Sep-13 23:41:05

Not sure if already said but isn't it strange that Matthew of a all people would not have written a Will.

I thought he was a solicitor!

BadSeedsAddict Sun 22-Sep-13 23:41:39

Just read down this thread; nearly as entertaining as the program! Me and DH thought Mary had come over all Goth and are a bit disappointed Carson brought her out of it. Betting Anna will be expecting by the end of the series (possibly Christmas special). Very bored of Moseley. Liked the bloke who sabotaged the lunch though. Where are the Ripon scenes filmed? The real Ripon is lovely, we live about 20 mins from it.

lookoveryourshouldernow Sun 22-Sep-13 23:50:10

..Do peeps in Yorkshire really say "Up to London" - isn't London down..

Also - but maybe I misheard - when Lord Crawley said to Mary " You look done in....."

AboutTimeForAChange Sun 22-Sep-13 23:50:45

So pleased DA is back.

BOF Sun 22-Sep-13 23:55:02

Oh it's full of anachronisms. Didn't Carson call one of the boys a "big girl's blouse"?

AboutTimeForAChange Sun 22-Sep-13 23:56:49

Was the guy in the workhouse the blackmailer?

MorrisZapp Sun 22-Sep-13 23:58:50

Beggared if I can work out why Mrs Hughes gave a hoot about an old friend of Carson's, and isobel even less so. Is it acceptable for the widowed isobel to have a man living with her anyway?

Was just so random. One thing I do like though is the breakneck plot propulsion. You never have to wait long for answers on Downton.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 00:01:32

You always go up to London, no matter where you live smile

I think done in is ok, I don't know if you'd find an Earl saying it, but it would have been around at that time- it's in Pygmalion which was written in 1912.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 00:05:20

Yes Morris I want to know how Rose knows a housemaid, and why she wants to get her a job, hopefully we'll find out soon!

Noseynoonoo Mon 23-Sep-13 00:24:15

The maid responded to the advert that Rose put in the shop window.

FreyaFridays Mon 23-Sep-13 00:52:29

That's quite true, it's always UP to London, whatever the direction!

I live in Cornwall though, and my Londoner friend always says she's coming "Up to Cornwall" whenever she visits.

Er, no my bird, Cornwall is definitely down, not up!

hudyerwheesht Mon 23-Sep-13 07:07:07

"Operation Divorce Lunatic", "We're Going on an Heir Hunt"(genius)
Luffs this thread, I do.

Thanks to the PP who cleared up the train confusion, that will no longer annoy me. Clever peeps on MN. of course I could have just googled it

hudyerwheesht Mon 23-Sep-13 07:15:10

For the PP who asked where the Ripon scenes were actually filmed..

they film in the Cotswolds

GeorginaWorsley Mon 23-Sep-13 07:30:53

Loved it as usual.
The new lady's maid was only in the last series briefly,wasn't she,then moved on to Ripper Street as a Madam?
These maids all look the same,I thought she was Ethel who had the baby at first.
Missed bit about how Thomas got nanny the sack.Was replenishing wine glass at the time. blush
And Edith still got years before any chance of being stuck in Nazi Germany.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 08:46:45

I predict lunatic wife will turn out not to be such a lunatic after a but to have a mild touch of PND or something and editor will thus be revealed as a shit.

Everyone will be really sympathetic until she shocks them by bunking up with him anyway

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 08:48:39

Mrs Hughes got the all clear on the cancer front. I'm sure she did.

Rhubarbgarden Mon 23-Sep-13 09:36:16

There is just no way that Mrs Hughes would help out someone who had tried to blackmail Carson. Just no way.

Moln Mon 23-Sep-13 09:39:39

AboutTimeForaChange, blackmailer? what blackmailer?

Think I should have watched the reruns!!

Though I too think Mrs Huges got the all clear. carson got all happy and sang because she did

BoffinMum Mon 23-Sep-13 09:44:59


You go 'up' to Oxford and Cambridge too.

Moln Mon 23-Sep-13 09:45:05

oh random fact I've discovered, Mrs Huges is married to the father of the man that got Ethel pregnant (in real life obviousy not in Downton world! !)

Teapigging Mon 23-Sep-13 09:45:22

Oh, I don't think Edith will get stuck in Nazi Germany, I think she might eventually turn out to be an enthusiastic mate of Hitler's, a la Unity Mitford...

Yes, it's very strange for Mrs Hughes to ask Isobel Crawley to have a destitute, lower-class man to stay with her! Even with IC's obvious philanthropic commitment, it would have been hugely overstepping the mark for even a senior servant to ask an upper-middle-class woman connected to the Downton family to take in Grigg! I couldn't decide whether he was being taken upstairs to the servant's rooms, or to the guest room...?

BoffinMum Mon 23-Sep-13 09:50:18

I got up this today seriously longing for a little breakfast tray in bed, a silk dress to be put on me, someone to sort my hair out properly and a bit of help with the bed making. How much should I budget for a lady's maid, do you think? I have decided I can't go on like this, being modern and all that. It is too much like hard work.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Mon 23-Sep-13 09:51:36

Mrs Hughes and Isobel have been partners-in-interference before, though, with Ethel.

In the cold light of day I think it's ridiculous that Cora would hire a lady's maid with no experience who was sweeping grates six months ago.

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 09:53:38

Yy I want Cora's little tray on turned wooden legs! I also want to be wearing some form of frothy embroidered negligee in the morning and have a long dark mussy-yet-elegant plait.

Although Cora never has to run out with the rubbish before the bin men get down the road.

janesnowdon1 Mon 23-Sep-13 09:55:26

I thought Daisy was going to become a trainee tenant farmer with her father in law. He was going to run t'farm and she would make and sell chutneys and farmhouse produce etc and takeover the farm tenancy when he died so she could have a better, more secure future - think that was the plan in the Xmas episode???or did I just dream it?

Moln Mon 23-Sep-13 09:55:36

Boffin put a card in the post office window, see where it goes from there. £20 a year should be enough, maybe £30

BoffinMum Mon 23-Sep-13 09:56:34

This is where it has all gone wrong for us, MadBus. <weeps>

BTW a slight plot hole. When Edith got off the train, she handed her suitcase thingy to the train guard. Wondering why and what he was supposed to do with it.

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 09:59:11

I thought so too jane.

I still don't care nearly as much about the Alfred/Jimmy/Ivy/Daisy set as I did about William v Thomas and Anna/Mr Bates, and that makes me sad. Or even Gwen and she was only in series 1. This lot all seem a bit dappy.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 09:59:44

He was a porter. You used to have people at railway stations who would load your stuff into a trolley and wheel it out to your waiting chauffeur.

Well you did if your dad was an earl.

SorrelForbes Mon 23-Sep-13 10:04:17

Did anyone hear Thomas say something like "she's not quite Sir Garnett"? I've never, ever heard that expression on TV before but have read it some old children's books.

DioneTheDiabolist Mon 23-Sep-13 10:05:31

Did Thomas not have a prosthetic hand in Series2 after shooting himself to get out of the war?confused

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 10:07:07

Maybe we missed the dramatic plot twist where it grew back.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 10:08:23

He was wearing a glove splint thing

TSSDNCOP Mon 23-Sep-13 10:09:23

The flaw in your reasonable logic Georgina is that you have reckoned without the power DA has to bend the laws if time and space. WW 2 will happen by the end of the series. Don't forget WW1 was completely over in Ep 1 do series 2.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 10:09:31

You didn't dream it janes. But Julian fellowes appears to have forgotten.

BeCool Mon 23-Sep-13 10:48:18

I live in London and Londoner's tend to say they are going "Up To .... " whichever direction they are travelling in. I find it quite annoying being well acquainted with all points on the compass and aware of whether something is above or below me geographically grin

Most people here also get confused when you say "head north" or whatever.

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 10:50:25

I've just read ALL of this thread (i deserve a medal grin ) it's great to be back discussing and dissing DA!!

I missed the bit where was the proof that the nanny was being cruel to babysyb? Also where were the nursery maids who would have far more evidence if that was the case??

BoffinMum Mon 23-Sep-13 10:50:50

Moln, that's about my budget. grin
Maybe I should post something in MN in the job section. gringrin
Will it be OK to ask them to iron my pants?
What if <shock> a man applies? Will I have to let him iron my pants?

BoffinMum Mon 23-Sep-13 10:52:03

Ppeatfruit, she tried to arrange for Baby Sybil to only have bread and butter for tea, and not have an egg like her cousin, so tried not to feed her to the same standard. And she tried to stop people talking to her. But I admit the signs were subtle.

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 10:53:41

Boffin You also need a cold attic with no hot water to put her in for the 5 hours that she's not scrubbing your floors.

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 10:56:23

She called Baby Sibby a 'horrible crossbreed' and told her not to speak to Baby George.

That's true ppeat - only one nanny for two young children seems odd in such a well staffed house ? Surely there'd be at least one nursery maid ?
Then she wouldn't be so likely to leave them un-attended ?

I enjoyed it - settling down to watch on a Sunday evening is the best part - I watched on +1 at 10 after the DC were in bed (they're teenagers)

Liked the mean nanny story but thought Mary though interesting was slightly wooden at times ... especially "And you think I should choose life ?" to the Countess. Well, yes, isn't that kind of obvious ? Couldn't she say something more interesting? I blame the script writers there as much as the actress. Countess was awesome as ever.
Final scene better with Mary coming down to join the dinner with the tenant farmers, and taking an interest in affairs of the house again.

Look forward to my Sunday evenings at Downton through the autumn!

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 11:09:22

I still don't understand why Pointless Rose was faffing about with the lady's maid advert at all. Does she just need a partner is pointless crime or does she know Edna already? And why is Cora, the experienced chatelaine of a great house whose previous maid went back years with her, prepared to take on an inexperienced girl after sitting in a tea shop with her for half an hour?

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 11:10:13

Thanks boffin and Juggling grin I had gone out of the room to make a brew while the effing ads were on! They're always too long when being watched and too short when not IYSWIM! That's terrible if the nanny was being racist about her, what a shit!

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 11:19:40

Madbuslady - because roses mother pinched obrien and she had an inkling of it so feels guilty and wants to help fix things.

The answer to your other question is that Cora is an idiot.

There was a nursery maid, she was pushing George's pram.

Housemum Mon 23-Sep-13 11:50:44

Sigh, another way to waste time on a Sunday evening. It's not that well written, utterly predictable - but it's like a favourite pair of slippers. Not sure you'd want to be seen in public with them but can't bear to throw them away. Goodbye to several hours of my life over the next series...

Teapigging Mon 23-Sep-13 11:52:18

Hang on, though, are we supposed to think that Thomas simply got the hump because Nasty Nanny tried to boss him around, and decided to make trouble for her without any idea that there were grounds for his accusations? Or are we to deduce he genuinely suspected she was neglectful?

If the latter, it seems bit mad to deduce neglect purely from Nasty Nanny saying Sybil wasn't to have an egg. She mightn't like eggs, or had a dodgy tummy or any other perfectly good reason! Does he have anything else at all to go on?

It just seems bit weird and short-circuiting in dramatic terms that a schemer tries to cause trouble for someone who in fact turns out, unbeknownst to anyone, to be guilty of precisely the thing the schemer accused her of...?

Sunnymeg Mon 23-Sep-13 12:25:13

I think the only point of the "nasty Nanny" story was to get Thomas in Cora's good books. It screamed plot device to me!!
I think that Thomas and Edna are going to try and get rid of Mr and Mrs Bates. Something is going to go wrong and despite all their years of faithful service Anna and Mr Bates are going to be in trouble.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 12:26:57

Nanny said she couldn't chat because sheet had left the children alone. That was enough for Thomas to stay stirring I think.

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 12:30:40

He does just stir randomly and see what comes up. And he's a jammy bugger. I didn't think that was too contrived. He needs a new enemy though, surely he and Bates have got bored of this decade-long feud.

Housemum Mon 23-Sep-13 12:34:11

Thomas was fed up of her bossing him around, I think the nanny is higher in the pecking order and he was just hacked off, so when she asked him to fetch something so she didn't have to leave the children, and he refused, he turned it on her as an excuse to drop her in it

GeorginaWorsley Mon 23-Sep-13 12:34:43

Thomas feels close to baby Sibby due to her mother being nice to him during their time working together in hospital during the Great War.
I think.grin

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 12:37:28

Yes he does Georgina. He said baby sybie's mother had been his friend and nanny got sniffy about it. That was it. Daggers drawn.

Sybil was lovely.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 12:38:19

A nanny, like a tutor or governess is higher up in the food chain. They're an employed professional not a servant

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 12:38:52

Yes I saw the maid pushing the other pram in the grounds (IMO the producers decided to have her as a non -speaker to save money). The whole storyline could have been better dealt with. Sunny you're probably right it was a plot device. Oh dear.

It does need someone to think all the plot lines through carefully, and then someone else to write and check through the script accordingly. These areas of production really don't seem as strong as some of the other aspects to me - but what's new there ?!

Just for example they could have made the nursery maid a speaking part and could have built up a little substantial background about life in the nursery (and add interest in another area of the house and not just the kitchens) before we overheard the nanny dropping her departing clanger.
A bit more depth would be great!

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 12:56:02

My thoughts exactly Juggling but IIRC there was quite a complicated nursery plot in Upstairs Downstairs maybe they didn't want to go down that route who knows?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Mon 23-Sep-13 12:59:39

Am now watching Downton series 1. Never seen it before! Mmm.

eddiemairswife Mon 23-Sep-13 12:59:47

I felt there was a lot of cutting from one short scene to another, perhaps they are setting up story lines to be explored in depth later in the series. To go back to 'Sir Garnet' - I've just looked it up in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable - "All Sir Garnet" was an army phrase of the late 19th century meaning 'everything is as it should be', referring to the successful military expeditions of Sir Garnet Wolseley. There's always something new to learn!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Mon 23-Sep-13 13:01:45

Didn't know Lord Grantham had refused to try to break the entail - what a prat!

Teapigging Mon 23-Sep-13 13:03:01

See, I could see the point of that plot device if the nanny stayed around to be a new Worst Enemy for Thomas now that O'Brien is gone, but it doesn't add anything at all to the plot now that he stirred and the nanny got fired within the space of a single episode...? The viewer isn't that bothered about her because we haven't got to know her at all, and she deserved all she got, and it doesn't add anything to our knowledge of Thomas, because we already know he's a trouble maker. It just seems clunky to me!

As is the reason nanny was even down on the upstairs landing asking Thomas to pass on her order about the egg anyway, saying she had to get back as the children were alone. It's clear when Cora comes up to the nursery that there's a bell there that rings down in the servants' hall, so there's no need for her to go down herself!

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 13:03:45

TBF in 1912 it would have been v v hard expensive and convoluted legal process. After the war things were different.

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 13:05:34

Maybe she'll make some kind of comeback.

I want Edna to be Thomas's new enemy, I think it would be interesting to see him at war with a girl. I hope she doesn't just become a new hussier version of O'Brien.

I can't believe Cora didn't point out to Lord G that he hadn't done such a great job of managing HER money, might be better for him not to get his incompetent paws on George's......

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 13:10:41

True Teapigging I remember the nanny's bell ringing and ringing in the servants hall in Upstairs Dstrs and the servants HATING the nanny grin.

Teapigging Mon 23-Sep-13 13:11:24

Oh, and my other gripe is that one of the kitchen staff says she doesn't envy the nanny because she wasn't quite 'family' and not quite 'servant', so ended up rather isolated.

That was certainly also (probably rather more so), the case for the ladies' maids, especially the personal maid to the senior woman of the household, with whom she often had a very close relationship from sheer proximity, and because they get to talk together in privacy. She would have spent the majority of her time in a sewing room doing repairs and alterations, laundering delicate items, or in the lady's bedroom doing her hair and helping her change her clothes (up to four times a day), so very limited time in the servants' hall. Yet Anna or O'Brien were never portrayed as being at any kind of distance from her fellow servants....

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 13:17:07

I don't think bells are for staff to summon each other.

Mrs Hughes came up saying who's ringing that bell when Cora rang it after catching nanny red handed. So it must have been unusual for it to ring.

Crutchlow35 Mon 23-Sep-13 13:21:00

Can anyone remind me what the storyline was with Edna. I can't remember.

it seemed a bit bitty to me last night.

AboutTimeForAChange Mon 23-Sep-13 13:32:12

She got pregnant to a soldier who died. She was sacked and struggled with the baby. Eventually Mrs Hughes and Isobel got the parents of the soldier to take an interest, they did and took the boy to live with them.

Merguez Mon 23-Sep-13 13:34:38

I wonder whether Julian Fellowes is thinking he doesn't need to bother to try very hard with Downton now, because no matter what drivel he spews out in the scripts the undiscriminating American market will just lap it all up anyway ...

Merguez Mon 23-Sep-13 13:37:32

I have never been to Yorkshire, so was surprised at how similar it looks to the Cotswolds (near where I do live) - and now I know, it is because it is filmed there. Which seems wrong to me somehow. Aren't there any unspoiled rural northern towns they could have used?

MadBusLady Mon 23-Sep-13 13:37:38

That was Ethel who had the officer's baby. Edna is the minx who made a play for Branson (who I find oddly resistible).

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 13:37:53

It was just in the Christmas special wasn't it? After Sybil had died, she was flirting with him, and they kissed I think. Mrs Hughes found out and she was packed off, but with a good reference so she didn't cause trouble.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 13:42:10

I think they must put something in the water there though...

Mary and Pamuk
Sybil and Branson
Edith and that farmer
Ethel and that soldier
Edna and Branson
Lord Grantham and Jane

That's a lot of upstairs/downstairs nookie for one house!

limitedperiodonly Mon 23-Sep-13 13:46:28

I've just watched and I'm sure other people have pointed it out, but how funny was Lady Mary's spectre at the feast act?

When Anna handed her a pink shawl because it was a bit nippy and she demanded the black one.

And scowling at poor old Edith because she got a Valentine's card?

I also liked Lord 6 not wanting to bother her about her inheritance and handling the money himself. It would be like making Ray Charles captain in a sharp-shooting contest.

Teapigging Mon 23-Sep-13 13:48:02

But there would have been no other reason to have a bell in the nursery that rings in the servants' hall, other than for the nanny to summon a (lower) servant, to bring up more fuel for the fire or clear the things after the children's meals etc. One of the housemaids or the 'between maid' (whose job was waiting on the senior servants like the butler, cook, housekeeper, and waiting on table in the servants' hall) would have answered it.

Mrs Hughes appearing instead makes no sense (apart from the writers clearly wanting a trusted figure, not one of the junior maids, to show up and hear Cora's wrath!) Apart from anything else, it would have meant her climbing up several flights of stairs to the nursery floor, and she's no spring chicken, and she appears in feasibly fast!

Merguez I think that's 100% true, unfortunately. Goes along with the new lines of merchandise, featuring inscriptions like 'Kiss me, before I get very cross' (Lady Mary)...

I have to keep reminding myself Fellowes also wrote Gosford Park!

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 13:48:56

Mary and pamuk wasn't upstairs downstairs nooky. He was the Turkish ambassador. Or worked in the Turkish embassy. He was upstairs.

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 13:51:19

The nursery is just a bedroom though. The ladies of the house would go there, if they wanted a servant they'd want a bell to ring. Or it's for emergencies. Nanny isn't supposed to expect to be waited on. It's the nursery maids job to do her fetching and carrying.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 13:55:10

Yes, I suppose I meant 'unsuitable' really. With him being a foreigner and everything grin

Even so, I still think that's quite a lot of hormones flying around!

Has Cora had an admirer yet? Isobel had the doctor didn't she?

limitedperiodonly Mon 23-Sep-13 14:05:28

There's all sorts of Downton stuff you can buy - DVDs, companion books, scripts (personally, I think ours are better), rose-scented unguents and twee necklaces.

I've got a fine bone china Downton Abbey mug. I never use it. I like chunky mugs. I'm common, me.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 14:09:03

My DSis has the calendars. I think I'll buy the book this year - the lady who has written it went to the same school as me.

mrsshackleton Mon 23-Sep-13 14:12:37

Maybe the nanny will come back and kidnap the heir? confused

Chubfuddler Mon 23-Sep-13 14:25:29

Evil Edna could be in league with her.

mrsshackleton Mon 23-Sep-13 14:52:31

And pointless Rose could gormlessly let them in

limitedperiodonly Mon 23-Sep-13 15:02:38

I noticed that Rose was wearing the same thing twice running - when placing the advert and then picking up the replies.

Very Poor Show.

And I didn't think she was imperious enough when the postmistress asked the nature of the advertisement.

<Gorgeous pre-op transsexual. Thirsk environs. Own Quickly bike and side car so can travel and bring friend if desired>

limitedperiodonly Mon 23-Sep-13 15:09:35

This a Quickly bike

It's one of the many reasons why my mum fell in love with my dad. That and the side car.

Bumpsadaisie Mon 23-Sep-13 15:23:10

Does anyone else sense something OMINOUS about Edith's boyfriend becoming a GERMAN citizen? It's not far off 1939 after all.

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 15:25:33

Everything is so heralded

'I'll become a GERMAN for you my love'

Then they'll hot foot it off to the Weimar Republic for lots of sexy Cabaret style shenanigans.

Bue Mon 23-Sep-13 15:39:01

yy to Edith becoming Unity Mitford! JF is already gearing up for series 5 or 6 with this little German plot device. It's nothing if not predictable, is it?

I don't understand why on earth Rose is in cahoots with Edna the maid?? And why was Moseley invited to meet Lady Shackleton? [confusing] A most confusing episode.

SorrelForbes - it's Nana in Ballet Shoes who says things will be "...all Sir Garnet Wolsley" - and I expect Noel Streatfield uses the phrase in other books too.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Mon 23-Sep-13 15:42:23

I'd have thought they'd be better reading up on the American divorce laws first, since Edith is actually half American, and I would think an English newspaper editor might do better there...

limitedperiodonly Mon 23-Sep-13 15:45:38

Definitely bumps and squoosh, though I feel that Edith's lunatic love-rival being euthanised for the good of society may be a step too far for Julian Fellowes.

<fingers crossed>

limitedperiodonly Mon 23-Sep-13 15:47:14

You're right polkadots.

And lobotomies for troublesome women were all the rage in '20s America.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 15:49:21

It was a big pile of brainless poo

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 15:49:44

... albeit in a few nice dresses.

Won't be watching again

Gatekeeper Mon 23-Sep-13 15:51:31

what about Mrs Hughes and L Crawley talking about "reaching out" to that coughy bloke. You 'contacted' 'spoke to' 'got in touch' etc etc but no-one ever used that drivvlely phase until (regretfully) recently

Urghhh..."reaching out" <cats bum>

SorrelForbes Mon 23-Sep-13 15:57:23

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius Indeed it is <waves at fellow NS geek>. I think it might be in White Boots too. An excuse to re-read.

alemci Mon 23-Sep-13 15:58:40

I thought Edna got pregnant by one of the visitors of the family who was quite well to do. He wouldn't support her but the parents did. yes he probably did die in the war and they took the baby to live with them.

did she go to work there. can't remember

That was Ethel alemci Edna arrived in the Xmas episode, made a pass at Branson and got the sack (but with a good reference).