BLACKOUT : tonight at 9pm Channel 4

(223 Posts)
guineapiglet Mon 09-Sep-13 15:28:29

What would happen if the lights went out!?!

Looking forward to watching this, it has had good reviews. Good night on TV tonight with Under the Dome afterwards--makes up for all the rubbish on Saturday night-- Anyone else giving it a go?

DP and I have bookmarked this to watch tonight, we save 'Under the Dome' for a Tuesday, 'Casualty' Saturday then 'What Remains' Sunday grin

eddiemairswife Mon 09-Sep-13 18:05:29

I'm under orders to watch. My granddaughter is an extra, so might or might not be in the finished programme.

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 18:13:08

Looks great, I'm definitely going to watch.

SuperiorCat Mon 09-Sep-13 18:27:11

We will be watching - DH is the original doom merchant and always has to think his way out of any disaster scenario. He's just started mumbling about solar back up

starsandunicorns Mon 09-Sep-13 18:29:08

Have on sky though will watch if awake

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 18:29:24

Ooh fantastic, I didn't know. Thank you. I love doomsday scenario programmes.

Trills Mon 09-Sep-13 18:46:30

Yes it looks really interesting!

JetSetWilly Mon 09-Sep-13 18:48:23

Agree the preview looked amaze

jemjelly Mon 09-Sep-13 21:13:17

looked good on the previews but I'm a bit bored of this already, anyone else watching?

piratecat Mon 09-Sep-13 21:15:59

just switched over to have a look, isn't it very good then, or should i go back to motorway cops madness?

onlysettleforbutterflies Mon 09-Sep-13 21:17:43

It's making my eyes hurt!

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 21:18:06

Oh, I think it looks great.

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 21:18:34

It's a bit Blair Witch, a bit Threads...

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 21:19:24

I bet the survivalist gets mugged for his Oh Fuck Rucksack...

mignonette Mon 09-Sep-13 21:19:39

Do they not have headlights in the countryside? Country folk are pretty good at driving without street lights yet according to the script writers, cars crash.

mignonette Mon 09-Sep-13 21:20:58

How would the mobile phone network operate without power? Wouldn't the masts need power to operate?

nipersvest Mon 09-Sep-13 21:25:17

watched a bit - got bored - turned it off - blackout! wink

jemjelly Mon 09-Sep-13 21:27:19

Its all a bit daft, I understand the panic and the food shortages but I think mignonette is right mobiles would be down.

bluecheque4595 Mon 09-Sep-13 21:34:48

Im enjoying watching this and turning to my dh on a regular basis and asking him, "When did this happen? were you there at the time?" and he patiently explains, "No its fiction" but I keep asking just for shits and giggles.

The mobiles are down aren't they? It's like a retrospective account using the videos people have recorded at the time of the blackout. At least that's what I thought was happening.

Oh there we go about the mobile masts. I must of missed the phone calls when I was settling the baby. I'm feeling a bit dense as I wouldn't have thought about the electricity pumping the water or the cash machines going down.

I got bored, so as someone else said upthread - blackout here too wink

mignonette Mon 09-Sep-13 21:51:42

Some of them made phone calls. That's what I thought was odd. And some were online.

LittleNoona Mon 09-Sep-13 21:52:09

Am I the only one getting far too into this?! It's scary!! Imagine this were to happen?

Gah! The adrenaline!

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 21:53:45

Ooh, VERY strong language? I wonder what counts?

It's very realistic, I think.

BornToFolk Mon 09-Sep-13 21:54:04

Me too LittleNoona! I'm really freaking myself out.

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 21:54:12

Especially SurvivalistsWife grin

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 21:55:10

DP has lit a candle, and I keep nervously looking at the battery life on my iPad.

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 21:55:10

I'm into it. I am always going to have a full tank of petrol and my mobile will always be fully charged. Oh and cupboards full of non perishable food and lots of water.

UnknownGnome Mon 09-Sep-13 21:55:24

Aaron someone who suffers with anxiety I don't think i should be watching this...confused

mignonette Mon 09-Sep-13 21:55:33

Anyone remember the Eastern seaboard black outs a couple of years after 9/11? NYC in a panic at first thinking terrorists?

They're using riot footage from a few years back. Not as if we need a black out to have a 'good old riot' in the UK!

huddyblell Mon 09-Sep-13 21:56:16

I know little noona - am cacking my pants - think I need to add lots of cash to my OFRS (I never have money on me, always use my card) and will make sure I am never further than walking distance away from my kiddies!

UnknownGnome Mon 09-Sep-13 22:00:33

Aaron? As someone! Doh!

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 22:01:30

Is this just a one-off drama?

huddyblell Mon 09-Sep-13 22:06:20

Full tank of petrol a v good idea. Will top up each week to keep it full, rather run down to almost empty

I like it. I'd be screwed as my phone battery is useless. Were there people stuck on the London Eye at the start? That thought freaks me out.

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 22:07:43

Poor SurvivalistBloke is too scared to put his generator on though sad

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:08:00

Wouldn't fancy being in a lift. You wouldn't be able to get out, would you?

bluecheque4595 Mon 09-Sep-13 22:08:58

I think the middle class family with the generator needed to get their kids on-message. "Dont talk about the generator in front of strangers." They needed to have that talk.

hogwartsismyhome Mon 09-Sep-13 22:09:11

Is ankle tag man more sinister than he makes out?!

LittleNoona Mon 09-Sep-13 22:09:18

Crikey!

I think I'm going to start a survival kit after watching this

AlwaysOneMissing Mon 09-Sep-13 22:09:50

I'm really enjoying this! It's making me very nervous though. What is this man with a tag going to do??!

LittleRobots Mon 09-Sep-13 22:10:56

I ought to turn this off so I don't get nightmares... but I'm hooked. And scared.

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:11:11

I think ankle tag man is ok. I fear for generator family!

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:11:18

I'm an hour behind you all but OMG the thought of this happening makes me feel sick shock

LittleRobots Mon 09-Sep-13 22:11:49

I think the sale of survival realted bits and bobs might go up...

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:11:53

Oh, can I be annoying and ask, how much of it is real footage and how much is Blair witch fake?

Abra1d Mon 09-Sep-13 22:12:02

At least the petrol-thieving yobs have relieved the national gene pool of their future contribution and blown themselves up.

Hope the London Eye people have been got down.

LittleRobots Mon 09-Sep-13 22:14:19

They've used past news footage apparently (london riots, I remember there being a news event over rubbish building up at some point, the water etc) and merged it. I also found the bit about 2 people escaping a lift was found from You Tube of two soldiers!

LittleRobots Mon 09-Sep-13 22:15:00

And obviously added to it!

AlwaysOneMissing Mon 09-Sep-13 22:18:36

Oh my god why am I really scared?!

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:18:49

I see! Its scaring me already sad not sure whether to watch it or not haha!

well rooni, it kinda happened for us, during the riots. and they have used a lot of footage from that which makes me feel a bit sick.

am a bit pissed of at seeing the shit that went down outside my home being used for a drama..

Abra1d Mon 09-Sep-13 22:19:53

Sadly there woule always be people who would want to make a bad situation worse.

What do we thing of tag man? Trustworthy or not?

LittleRobots Mon 09-Sep-13 22:20:48

It's scaring me...

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:20:56

Oh I didn't even think of people watching who have lived some of this for real sad

I recognised the looting of JD sports as footage from the London riots

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:21:42

I'm routing for tag man.....think he's ok

TigerseyeMum Mon 09-Sep-13 22:22:17

This is making me a bit tense!

I think tag man is nice but something bad will happen to him. And generator family. Loose talk costs lives, kids.

Working in a hospital, it makes me feel a bit twitchy, thinking about the backup generators. And they have ignored things like planes and control towers, sensibly.

Reminds me of Day of the Triffids.

I think I can see how the hospital dude is going to work out. They're going to have to prioritise patients aren't they and Carl isn't going to make the cut?

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:23:33

Why is this affecting me so much? I feel so anxious. Could this ever happen for real? I mean, to the whole country at the same time?

hogwartsismyhome Mon 09-Sep-13 22:24:14

Tag mans weird. Something not right somehow!! Proper freaked out, won't sleep tonight

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:24:42

I suppose a cyber attack against the national grid could be possible?

BOF Mon 09-Sep-13 22:26:04

Tagman is actually a good egg, I think.

LittleRobots Mon 09-Sep-13 22:26:22

I'm welling up where she found her mum...

TigerseyeMum Mon 09-Sep-13 22:26:34

Yes they'll have to prioritise patients but maybe he'll get a reprieve right at the last minute then the power comes on...

starsandunicorns Mon 09-Sep-13 22:26:43

Tried to watch it but we just had a massive flap over over progs been recorded as it on for 90 mins we tried to oringise the sky planner with dd15 input sigh tv now turned so I have to see if I can watch it some other time my poor sky planner was getting confused and poor dp has now retreated to the bedroom with the laptop dd is in a strop in the bathroom with music me and dog are just looking at each other wondering wtf sigh off to bed I give up though did look ok the whole 15 I saw of it !!

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:26:54

Can I just check quick, does it get more distressing/scary further in? I don't want to have nightmares (yes I know, childish!).

hogwartsismyhome Mon 09-Sep-13 22:26:56

Right, before bed tonight we must make survival boxes. But don't boast on mumsnet whats in it!!

but I do think I would have decked shrieky carl sister by now if I were staff.

TheFutureMrsB Mon 09-Sep-13 22:29:04

Yep the sister is doing my nut in now.

TigerseyeMum Mon 09-Sep-13 22:30:38

We'll be fine, our caravan is on the drive with a battery and cooker and fridge <smug> though we might get attacked by our elderly relative for supplies.

Abra1d Mon 09-Sep-13 22:30:54

Off-the-grid man would do my nut in if I had to live with him.

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:31:25

Roonil so far just more of the same, I'd say.

hogwartsismyhome Mon 09-Sep-13 22:32:45

Who else just pooped themselves!!!

aturtlenamedmack Mon 09-Sep-13 22:33:11

Yes me!!!!

LinghamStyle Mon 09-Sep-13 22:33:59

Me! Actually screamed!

bluebump Mon 09-Sep-13 22:34:05

Bloody hell that made me jump!

Abra1d Mon 09-Sep-13 22:34:17

Knew he was a nutcase.

am amused that the only grub left in kwiksave in Homerton was couscous and olives...Ha!

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:35:32

Oh....agh....can't watch

Junebugjr Mon 09-Sep-13 22:37:30

I'm bloody cleaning tesco a out of canned goods tomorrow because of this. Why do they always it irritating characters on programmes like this though, lorrie with her dragging her daughter out into bedlam, and Carl's very annoying sister.

Personally I would have grabbed the dog food too. Realistically if you starving you would eat anything eventually. Didn't think nuch of the sudden ending.

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 22:38:22

Oh god was about to say phew then look at all that shock I'm sucked in now. How many people are stocking up tomorrow?

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:39:29

At least the power came back on.

I suppose the moral of the story is to make sure you have enough in the house to be self sufficient for several days. I wouldn't want to venture outside unless absolutely necessary.

Trills Mon 09-Sep-13 22:40:10

I would totally have picked up the dog food.

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:40:35

DH said he would have grabbed the dog food,,if you were desperate I'm sure it would be edible and better than starving.

Trills Mon 09-Sep-13 22:40:39

So - how would your zombie apocalypse OFRS translate to power-out but everyone alive and human?

Couldn't watch end. Got all scaredy cat and had to fill the bath tub and sink and kettle

What happened?

I'm sorted June. Mums is only a matter of doors away and her storecupboard is packed, dads done survival training and has a load of water purification tablets from hiking - oh and they have a gas cooker and woodburner.

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:41:36

Survival dad killed someone....the lights came on...

Trills Mon 09-Sep-13 22:43:13

Do we reckon the power came back on in time for Karl?

Did the mum with her daughter make it ok?

Bit close to what my reality would be. Blooming channel 4 and their clever scary programmes!

Thinkingofmyfabfour Mon 09-Sep-13 22:43:34

CCTV on back in time to catch survival guy as he fled the scene. I think he was a tad annoyed at all his planning coming to nothing.
Interesting to see think how different people might react - some looking after elderly neighbours (lawrie's mum) others wanting to look after their own.

I thought it was quite well done overall but agree must have brought back very bad memories for those affected by riots previously

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:43:50

No, I reckon sadly Karl's time was up....

Trills Mon 09-Sep-13 22:45:05

I told Lorrie that she was an idiot right at the very beginning.

Hastings to Sheffield in the middle of a national emergency?

TigerFeet Mon 09-Sep-13 22:46:43

I admit I had to leave dh to it and came to bed early. It's not that I think it would actually happen <eyes ofrs> but I can't deal with stress and suspense at all. I'd love to know how it all panned out though.

LittleNoona Mon 09-Sep-13 22:49:06

So.

I'm giving serious thought to having a dig in the garden tomorrow and opening up the old air raid shelter.

Y'know.

Just incase.

shock

Bowlersarm Mon 09-Sep-13 22:50:24

Trouble is Tiger there are so many things that could but the chances are won't, go wrong on a national scale, such as flu pandemic, terrorist attack, financial collapse, it is probably not worth worrying about other than have a vague plan and be a little prepared if something does happen.

happybubblebrain Mon 09-Sep-13 22:53:20

It was a good ending, highlighting the prejudices we have. The dodgy looking tagged man was the hero, the nice middle class man a looter and a murderer. The camera shake made me feel a bit seasick though.

happybubblebrain Mon 09-Sep-13 22:59:40

I didn't know Kwik Save still existed. I doubt Tescos, Asda and Sainsburys wanted their names associated with bare shelves.

That creeped me out...and I'm usually really bored by 'what if' type programs but this was done surprisingly well! shock

It was good. Though I'm not sure why everybody jumped in their car at the beginning of the week.

Before the riots I would have poopoohed how quickly things collapsed in the program, not any more.

Lessons learned:
Don't invest in a genny.
Be discrete with bbqs
Collect water.
Eat the cats food.

this is done so well

twistyfeet Mon 09-Sep-13 23:09:48

where is my oh fuck rucksack?

HeadFairy Mon 09-Sep-13 23:32:37

I enjoyed it... Quite relieved that my crap house keeping has resulted in an inordinate amount of tins and dried goods in our cupboards. We have plenty of wood so we could cook on the fire place in the living room without pesky neighbours coming over all jealous. Rain butt would do for the water if I boiled it first.

Yeah, we're sussed. If it went on longer than a week we'd take the kids to my mum and dad's 6 miles away, much more rural, far from thieving thugs and with a lovely large veg patch and chickens and ducks.

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Mon 09-Sep-13 23:46:46

Well I am terrified. Why do I watch stuff like this?! Shat myself almost at the shop man and I can't calm down because I'm worrying about house security. I am a numpty for watching sad

BMW6 Mon 09-Sep-13 23:49:15

V interesting and thought provoking. Depressing how inevitably some loot for non essential stuff.
Was it my misunderstanding, or did shrieky sister use electricity for her filming in the temp ICU ???

Lesson to be learned - if anyone is prepared for this kind of catastrophe, keep it to yourselves or some other fucker will steal it from you!!!
Ironic that the family guy had a generator, but when it came to it he couldn;t use it for that reason.........

Last night I was wondering how many neighbours Id end up inviting in to keep warm with our woodburner.
I'd be rubbish at survival as I'd feel bad for everyone else.

lirael Tue 10-Sep-13 08:37:08

Knackered this morning as spent half the night doing a mental inventory of my food cupboards and wondering whether we'd be OK because we've got a gas Aga and a campervan blush

SuperiorCat Tue 10-Sep-13 09:24:45

I was too much of a wuss to watch all of it and switched off just as generator man found the burglars.

So just out of interest do we have a definitive list of contents of an OFRS?

My DD has gone to college and left me with a list of food I must buy today in case the power goes out, she takes these things far to seriously. We would be ok for about a week I reckon but no way of cooking anything.

Oo, will have a look for this

Just watched a series on netflix where the power went out, was called Revolution smile

twistyfeet Tue 10-Sep-13 10:32:15

I do sometimes lie awake wondering about this sort of thing blush. dd is totally dependant on modern technology to stay alive. She is tube fed and relies on medication so could go a few weeks before those ran out. So she would survive the 5 days Blackout scenario but any longer and she'd be fucked. And then what? There was that scene in 'The Mist' where the dad thinks there is no hope so he shoots his little boy and then the bloody army show up to rescue everyone. That scene still haunts me and brings tears to my eyes. Because of dd.
So we would be ok with out coal fire and my obsessive tin habit but I am haunted by wondering whether I would have to kill my very vunerable child in a societal breakdow situation. Obviously not a Blackout cyber attack as that can be fixed eventually, even by a Govt as shit as ours.
Remember that line from Die Hard 4 'It took FEMA 5 days to get water to the Super-Dome'
Scary

Sparklysilversequins Tue 10-Sep-13 10:32:31

ALL the kids were bloody annoying if you ask me. Perry spilling the beans about the generator and JJ going on about the mans leg tag. I think survivalist man, while annoying was just totally desperate at the end, his kids were sick and hungry, he just lost it.

We have a camping stove with enough gas to last a few days. (though I might see if millets have got any special offers at the moment!) Key I think is quick cook foods like cous cous, noodles and tinned stuff.

Yay, its on 4OD here

LatinForTelly Tue 10-Sep-13 10:58:13

Twistyfeet I have a child who is tube-fed and I worry about that too. sad

I hadn't heard of this programme until I logged on to Mumsnet today, but am now strangely compelled to put myself through it on 4oD. Just like when I watched The Road. And then read the book grin

SilverApples Tue 10-Sep-13 12:06:03

We all watched it, but I was brought up with a survivalist attitude and seriously already have both a plan and the supplies, so my children sat there smugly ticking things off.
They have two uncles, different sides of the family in different parts of the country who both happen to live off the grid all the time. No mains.
DD was very pleased that tagman turned out to be a good bloke, she's sick and tired of the lazy predictability of helpful stranger = psychopath in narratives.

Not going to lie...After watching this last night I am now going to slowly get an emergency bag together! It'd make me feel better, even if it never sees any action grin

RoonilWazlibWuvsHermyown Tue 10-Sep-13 12:42:57

Do you know scares me the most about it? Its the fact that it would sort of be every man for himself. People you say hi to like neighbours etc would kill you if it meant their children ate.

expatinscotland Tue 10-Sep-13 12:42:57

Water is the big problem.

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 12:51:15

I think it would be easier where we live, in a village, where everyone knows one another and there are strong civil and church relationships, so that people could be encouraged to share resources. In an inner city sink estate it might be harder. The good people would be intimidated by the thugs.

Basically you want a few people who've been in the police or army or security forces who still have firearms and know how to keep order. And have ethics.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 12:57:49

Roonil I think that it would generally be strangers who would be feared and dangerous.

I read somewhere (that elusive 'somewhere'!), that groups of people who are neighbours and know each other relatively well actually do come together for support, trade, sharing of skills etc in time of absolute crisis. A close knit group would be able to defend their properties from outside looters, thieves and general trouble makers etc. and generally do much better than individuals would in getting through a national crisis.

One tip that stayed with me (I sometimes read the 'when the shit hits the fan' forum on money saving expert) is to stock up on non perishable items, like loo roll, matches, toothpaste, tampons, alcohol etc etc that you could use to trade with someone else who has something you need. Clearly it would seem a bit daft to go and fill your spare bedroom with these things, but if some sort of trouble looks like it's brewing, it would be possible to stock up a bit in advance.

I think the crucial thing would be not having to leave the home and face outside danger, or if you do have to travel do it immediately before it becomes more dangerous.

I'm scaring myself now grin

I honestly don't spend too much time thinking through Armageddon scenarios....(and I definitely don't tell DH, he doesn't take it seriously, at all)

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 12:59:04

X post with Abra1d

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 13:01:04

Another good reason to keep a good store of wine, Bowlers.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 13:01:52

Any old excuse Abra1d

guineapiglet Tue 10-Sep-13 13:50:18

... another one who mulled over the contents of the 'emergency' food cupboard all night long... would be a healthy combination of sardines and whisky which would see us out. We also have a barbeque, but after last night will be hiding it away. Thinking about digging a well in the garden!

After watching Die Hard 4 (many times)blush, ( and The Road) you realise that such a scenario could be possible at any time, and that our day to day lives are very fragile... but what did it say about human nature, it really is down to the law of the Jungle if everything breaks down - we would all do everything to protect our own, but would we all really be so selfish and unbothered about our friends and neighbours?

The frightening thing for me was just how quickly law and order broke down, the police simply could not be called by phone, and could not be everywhere. Lack of respect for life and property disappeared.... kept wondering how, as a generation, we would have survived during the War!

Definite food for thought.... now just off to Aldi to ahem, stock up.
grin

SilverApples Tue 10-Sep-13 13:51:39

'Water is the big problem.'

We have 4 five L bottles in the store, water purification kit from the camping pack and the water tank in the loft, plus two large water butts in the garden.
And lots of wine, so we'd only drink the water if that ran out. grin
Last us a poxy week at least.

fussychica Tue 10-Sep-13 14:20:43

I thought the scariest thing was the riot footage was real riot footage from last year - if people were like that then, then you know they'd be worse in this kind of situation. Wouldn't want to be living in a big city if this happened.

Anyone remembers Threads - far more scary but probably less likely scenario?

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 14:30:41

My main worry would be my elderly parents 72 miles away in a London suburb. They have kind, younger neighbours, but they'd have children and family to worry about themselves. How much could they realistically do for non-family?

I would have to cycle to London to help them, if there was no petrol to drive.

SuperiorCat Tue 10-Sep-13 14:58:56

Yes to very much every man for themselves in that situation.

I'm thinking about clearing a cupboard out to stock up on non-perishables, I know DH will rubbish the idea, so I will do it on a "ready for being snowed in" approach I think.

farmerswifey Tue 10-Sep-13 15:25:35

I don't know what upsets me most about this, the fact that this could actually happen, or that out here in the sticks we wouldn't notice for about a week...

twistyfeet Tue 10-Sep-13 15:41:39

check-list
wine - tick
gin - tick
timothy olyphont - not yet
other shit - must acquire

grin

those astronaut meals would be useful...and easy to hide...

guineapiglet Tue 10-Sep-13 16:24:44

Being in a blackout with sardines, whisky AND Timothy Olyphant?

Now you're talking!grin

ps I would have to cycle from Southampton to The Lake District to help my parents
<suddenly a prolonged blackout with Timothy O is sounding like paradise.>

twistyfeet Tue 10-Sep-13 16:30:29

oi, get the queue for Timothy lady grin

guineapiglet Tue 10-Sep-13 16:33:30

I know twisty he is soooooo gorgeous, especially as Raylan.... Who would need/want a generator?!?! grin

twistyfeet Tue 10-Sep-13 16:36:58

I like him in Die Hard 4 blush
Which is sort of topical to this thread so I'd best watch it again grin

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 16:47:23

I just watched it on 4OD after seeing this thread. I thought it was bloody stupid!! And it's so depressing that tv makers always show the UK as nothing more than a nation of rioters in dramas like this. That the whole country would implode within 20 minutes of a power cut.

I know it's not the same, but we experienced, along with most of the Tri-State, long powerouts last year after Hurricane Sandy. We had no power for 10 days. Others had no power for weeks.

What does happen...
People get in long queues for petrol for the few petrol stations that have back up generators.
People use their bbqs. Seriously, who doesn't have a bbq nowadays?!
People get a bit smelly as you can't have a hot shower.
You read a lot.
You drink a LOT of wine.

We have a generator of our own and, funnily enough, we never once found people in our house in the middle of the night trying to steal it. We did find people in our garage quite regularly, but that was because we were using the generator to power the fridge/freezer in there and we invited all our neighbours to put their food in there too. I found this helped enormously in NOT finding myself looting a supermarket and smashing some guy's brains in in the middle of the night. grin

twistyfeet Tue 10-Sep-13 16:50:24

'Seriously, who doesn't have a bbq nowadays?!'

me. Never owned one. But then our garden is the size of this laptop.

THERhubarb Tue 10-Sep-13 16:53:30

Abra1d I find your reasoning of why a sink estate would be a worse place to live interesting. Do you not think that a flat or council house would actually be less of a target than a nice country house? As a general rule, the poor don't take from the poor and there is usually a greater sense of community in a sink estate than any country village. Not that it would do to generalise eh? wink

I think in any crisis like this, the best you can do is to secure your home and keep your head down. If you do know your neighbours then you can all form a group and pool resources together whilst protecting each other's property.

But that programme was a bit shit. It doesn't take a week to travel from Hastings to Sheffield (reminds me of 28 days later I think it was, where the characters took almost 2 days to travel on empty motorways from London to Manchester). I was also quite uncomfortable watching actual riot footage being used for entertainment purposes.

Plenty of people live day by day without electricity. If anything it just showed us what we take for granted. We are almost completely reliant on technology so that when anything goes wrong, we almost implode.

Yet I do think programme makers do Britain a great disservice. This country has pulled together over worse things. Whenever there are massive jams on the motorway I always hear of people helping each other out, sharing food and drink and even getting together to build snowmen last winter on the M6. Even after the riots many volunteers came together to help clean up and whenever people are affected by natural disasters other people will go out of their way to help. I think that is the real spirit of Britain, not some chaos fuelled disaster. I'd like to think that we are made of tougher stuff than to fall apart during a blackout. It's not like Britain's never suffered one before!

THERhubarb Tue 10-Sep-13 16:54:36

CoolStoryBro exactly - thank you. But I guess the truth wouldn't make a Channel 4 drama would it?

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 16:55:02

.....also a BBQ s only useful as long as you have meat to cook on it. The meat in the freezer would last about, ooh, a day? Maybe two for the five of us.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 16:58:11

I like your positivity THERhubarb

Let's hope we don't find out if you are tight!

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 16:58:55

Gah.......sorry.........'right'......I'm sure you are a very generous person!

TunipTheUnconquerable Tue 10-Sep-13 17:00:19

' As a general rule, the poor don't take from the poor'

That's not true from statistics I've seen. If you're poor you're far more likely to be a victim of burglary than if you're rich.

TunipTheUnconquerable Tue 10-Sep-13 17:04:11

I agree there's no reason to believe community would be worse in a sink estate, though.

THERhubarb Tue 10-Sep-13 17:05:23

Really Tunip? Well in our estate I don't know of any burglaries at all and none of us have alarms, yet in the wealthier village down the road nearly all houses are alarmed and many have suffered break-ins.

Round here criminals tend to come from the surrounding cities and they target either student houses or commuter belts where they know that many homes are going to be empty because they are all at work.

Also it makes sense to target properties you know have something worth stealing which is why so many students get hit as they have laptops, ipods, money, etc. Elderly people are also targeted as they are most likely to keep large amounts of cash around. (Can you tell that I watch a lot of programmes about crime?)

THERhubarb Tue 10-Sep-13 17:06:37

And yes Bowlersarm, let's hope you don't find out if I'm tight! grin

TunipTheUnconquerable Tue 10-Sep-13 17:12:57

Yes, it's one reason why insurance premiums are often higher in poorer areas.
If we're being anecdotal, when I lived in the inner city half my street was targeted in one go. It was just before Christmas and people's Xmas presents were taken (I was away and they didn't take anything of mine, just kicked a few of the inside doors to pieces to show their displeasure.)

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 17:20:30

Bowlersarm you can do loads on a bbq that doesn't involve cooking meat. Including boiling water so everyone can have a nice cup of tea!!

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 17:20:55

Bowlersarm you can do loads on a bbq that doesn't involve cooking meat. Including boiling water so everyone can have a nice cup of tea!!

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 17:20:56

Bowlersarm you can do loads on a bbq that doesn't involve cooking meat. Including boiling water so everyone can have a nice cup of tea!!

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 17:21:00

Bowlersarm you can do loads on a bbq that doesn't involve cooking meat. Including boiling water so everyone can have a nice cup of tea!!

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 17:22:40

WT?!!! So nice I called it 4 times!

CSB - what happened about water?

I guess a bit of a difference is that services like water and fuel for generators for hospitals etc could be shipped in from out of area. If the UK went down we would be crap at getting fuel in from Europe fast enough.

THERhubarb Tue 10-Sep-13 17:40:50

Tunip, anecdotal again but generally in estates you were safe from thieves inside the estate because everyone knew who everyone was and they tended to go outside their own area.

Bit shit what happened to your street just before Christmas. I am paranoid about being broken into. Happened to us once when ds was just a baby. They were targeting my pet parrot and broke in specifically to steal him. I can never forget the horror of seeing all our things turned out, of the back door smashed and glass all over the floor, of all my underwear turned out onto my bed, all my possessions scattered over the floor. It was just horrible sad

I now get so paranoid that I watch every programme I can on break-ins just to find out which homes are targeted most and how I can make ours safer. Sad isn't it?

I do feel safe here though. It's a nice community and we all know each other.

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 18:10:37

Badbadkitten The water came out of the tap as normal! The pumping stations have back up generators, I presume, as we were told to stock up on water in case the storm surge from the hurricane contaminated the actual water supply, not because they would be unable to pump it. We did fill the baths, although I never really understood why we were doing it! They just told us to on the news.

I'm not suggesting that the UK wouldn't really suffer after a very long powerout, but I honestly thought it was ridiculous, and kind of insulting, to suggest it would get that bad that quickly.

The worst part of the whole thing for me was that it was immensely boring. We spent a lot of time standing around outside as with the bbq and the fire pit, it was warmer than inside with no heat. We lit a fire in the living room in the evening and kept that going when it snowed, unseasonably early, at the start of November. We all went to bed really early as it was freezing at night, and the younger kids slept in our room as they got scared if they needed the loo. That was the worst part for them....well, that and that they missed out on Halloween!

Phoebe47 Tue 10-Sep-13 18:27:24

CoolStoryBro - I don't have a barbecue and I know many people who don't have one.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 10-Sep-13 18:30:03

Anyone know when or if this is on More4? Or shall I just do OD?

Earthymama Tue 10-Sep-13 18:33:43

I haven't watched this though I am wondering what the agenda behind it is?

To scare us into thinking we need fracking and nuclear power?

I am happy to be corrected, maybe it's just some entertaining 'what-if?', what do you all think?

specialsubject Tue 10-Sep-13 19:03:01

we either need fracking and nuclear power, or we need to ignore the EU and switch the old power stations back on.

it isn't that long until the lights start going out, it seems.

RevoltedMum Tue 10-Sep-13 19:10:29

Bowlersarm Just so you get the message. grin

You can do loads on a bbq that doesn't involve cooking meat. Including boiling water so everyone can have a nice cup of tea!!

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 19:17:07

Sometimes it takes a while for me to absorb facts RevoltedMum but CoolStoryBro made sure I got it!

(I saw it as I was scrolling down on my phone and thought I had really upset quite a few people, when I saw my name being shouted out grin over and over...)

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 19:19:55

Lol. Britain will always be ok when they can have a nice cup of tea. Even if they have use their neighbours' BBQ to make it wink

RevoltedMum Tue 10-Sep-13 19:21:51

Yes, lovely cup of tea.

SuperiorCat Tue 10-Sep-13 19:50:25

Just had a nosy on that "when the shit hits the fan" forum on MSE shock - there are some very prepared people around who take it extremely seriously.

MrsWembley Tue 10-Sep-13 19:51:41

Just found this thread so apologies if it's already been discussed (only managed to quickly scan everyone's posts) -

does NOBODY REMEMBER THE SEVENTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 19:57:07

Mrs W-what the strikes?

MrsWembley Tue 10-Sep-13 20:02:33

Yes, Bowlers, the endless power cuts and always having to know where the candles and matches were.grin

TunipTheUnconquerable Tue 10-Sep-13 20:04:03

But the 70s power cuts were fairly short and controlled. Predictable outages for a few hours a day would be easier to cope with than a general powercut and not knowing how long it would last.
I agree it would be unlikely to descend into mayhem and braining each other with cans of beans in darkened supermarkets quite as quickly as this, though.

Bowlersarm Tue 10-Sep-13 20:07:44

I'm not so sure, tunip. I'm trying not to look too opinionated on the subject (DH thinks any extreme disaster scenario won't happen, so I can't discuss it with him) but in my research, ahem, society starts breaking down after three days three days!

MrsWembley Tue 10-Sep-13 20:12:44

I know, I know, but it didn't feel like that at the time. I know I was only a child and had the perspective of one, but I'm fairly certain they went on for hours and weren't that predictable.

And I know we had a lot less in the way of technology around the home, and so less perceived need of electricity, but we sure as hell didn't collapse into a state of barbarism!!gringrin

MrsWembley Tue 10-Sep-13 20:14:47

I've read that somewhere too, Bowlers.

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 20:21:20

Yes, in the seventies the television went off but you still had the battery radio. Candles could be fun and we had gas CH and a gas cooker. So I barely noticed it.
I thought it was fun.

Out here in the Styx we regularly have power cuts and everything needs electricity--the heater controls, the cooker, the hob. I have heated baked beans and soup and boiled water for tea in the open fire place before and it is not fun after the first day or so. Even the children don't want to eat masses of defrosting ice cream in the winter.

I suppose we could eat the teenagers' Duke of Edinburgh camping food supplies. Some of them are in special packets with a little internal device that you snap or something and it heats the food (eg, spaghetti with meatballs, macaroni cheese) for you inside the packet. Not cheap, but a few of those could make a big difference to morale. Come to think of it, the children should be perfectly equipped to deal with this kind of situation. I'll just retire to bed and let them do it all, I think.

TunipTheUnconquerable Tue 10-Sep-13 20:25:17

My fear would be that there would be a lot more house fires and carbon monoxide poisonings because of all the people who would be using candles carelessly and lighting bbqs and camping stoves inside.

Abra1d - the really annoying thing (as well as the electric controls for gas powered heating and cookers) is that our solar panels won't work if they're not connected to the grid!

NewBlueShoesToo Tue 10-Sep-13 20:59:32

We live in a village which has loads of power cuts, I've managed to cook Easter lunch for twelve on a gas BBQ.

Did anyone mention the surge in births nine months later?!

Talkinpeace Tue 10-Sep-13 21:01:14

I did not see it,

But last year my Dad and a million of his neighbours lived trough a ten day blackout of all power except the old phones and water to the lower floors of apartment blocks. In most areas the gas stayed on for part of the day.

The only lights were car headlights.
The only way in and out of homes was down ten flight unlit stairwells.
The only fresh food was a two mile walk through cold dark street

Manhattan after Hurricane Sandy ...

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 21:03:21

That is really annoying, Turnip!

CSB it sounds unpleasant but doable. I remember reading about those who were elderly disabled being stuck in tower blocks. I remember reading about the unfair early snow too!

I know that it was very different but thank goodness it wasn't another Katrina situation.

Do people remember the flooding hit Tewkesbury and a quarter of a million people nearly lost both power and water when the substation almost became inundated?

Talkinpeace Tue 10-Sep-13 21:23:23

Coolstorybro
Generators and BBQ s are great for people in the 'burbs

For those who live in the Lower East side, they have no storage, no outdoor space, little scope for resilience
and remember that in my Dad's street the water was 15 feet deep during the two high tides : they were still dragging wrecked cars out of the garages when we were there at Christmas.

Abra, are you really in the Styx???? Isn't that generally a bit damp anyway?? grin

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 21:55:40

Talkin, I know! You're preaching to the converted here! I saw first hand what happened in Lower Manhattan and Staten Island. I was more talking about the general no power thing and how it wouldn't turn the UK into a nation of looting, burgling, hysterical nutters in 5 minutes flat, as depicted in the show. In my experience, it brought people together, even if after the event people went back to exactly how we had all been before.

Talkinpeace Tue 10-Sep-13 21:58:48

Not quite back.
My 79 year old Dad now has flashlights and matches where he can find them.
Lots of people keep solar powered fairy lights easy to hand
His complex are looking at renewable energy systems (shock horror)
BUT
The good things : groups going round hanging bags of groceries on the apartment doors of the elderly - will stand the city in good stead for this season's storms.

CoolStoryBro Tue 10-Sep-13 22:10:23

Putting my fingers in my ears...LA LA LA LA LA!!! No storms allowed this year!!! wink

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 22:20:00

Abra, are you really in the Styx

Sometimes VERY damp in winter--floods. But we won't die of thirst. grin

It's a quiet start to the storm season isn't it? Long may that last.

Talkinpeace Tue 10-Sep-13 22:24:51

Coolstory
If you are not in an evacuation zone, you should be OK.
Where we stayed at Christmas (near my Dad) we could see the 14th street substation that exploded ....
The storm surges WILL come, the impact of global warming is ensuring that
BUT the Tristate area (in fact the whole Seaboard) is much better prepared than it was a year ago : resilience planning has come a long way in a year

and linking back to the programme :

what saved even the poorest parts of NYC and NJ was that those who had made a point of sharing
Jon Bon Jovi setting up a 50 cellphone charging station on his driveway was a tiny but tangible proof of what happens in the real world, not TV drama

Abra1d Tue 10-Sep-13 22:29:34

Do you not think that a flat or council house would actually be less of a target than a nice country house? As a general rule, the poor don't take from the poor and there is usually a greater sense of community in a sink estate than any country village

Who is talking about nice country houses? I live in a farm labourer's cottage and we are not rich, and nor are our neighbours, but I feel safe here because we know everyone.

Also it would be harder for looters to get from the inner cities to the 'nice' country houses? No petrol. Dark at night. Why would you go to all that effort if the old lady on the floor below you has got tinned goods?

Tigerbomb Tue 10-Sep-13 23:43:43

I quite "enjoyed" it but it was a bit predictable. I did say to my DH that I would have gagged the kids

It reminded me of that mocumentary The Day Britain Stopped

VerySmallSqueak Tue 10-Sep-13 23:49:48

I agree Tiger.
I was surprised at how un-clued up people were portrayed to be.
And at how the lights came back on,and it was assumed everything was immediately ok - which I very much doubt it would be for quite some time.

VerySmallSqueak Tue 10-Sep-13 23:54:51

I do think society will break down very quickly, however. In an event such as a nationwide power outtage you really would have no idea how long it would last.
People would be desperate to make sure they have supplies before they run out.

We only need quarter inch of snow round here and the shelves are bare....

Jux Wed 11-Sep-13 08:42:48

Very predictable. Got bored half way through so switched over.

FunnyRunner Wed 11-Sep-13 09:36:54

Unfortunately it doesn't matter if most people are decent and sharing, caring types. That's the case in society generally. All you need is a violent minority with no conscience and they can bring chaos because they are thugs and naice people won't go to those lengths until they're desperate. I found it depressingly plausible, at least for those living in big cities.

If you like this kind of thing I can recommend 2 books by Alex Scarrow - 'Last Light' and 'After Light'. Because the power doesn't come back on... grin

Talkinpeace Wed 11-Sep-13 10:40:50

Funnyrunner
Please read what I was saying about New York.
Law and order did NOT break down.
Communities that had never pulled together before (NYC never had the War) did so in the most amazing way.
I used a Facebook page to find a complete stranger in my Dad's building to check he was OK.
Hoodies with head torches used them to help people across the road, not to mug them.

The power was off fully for a week and intermittently for six weeks.

The aftermath - rotting food, damaged buildings, loss of earnings etc etc took many, many months to sort.

Watched it now, it was good as a worst case scenario type of thing, obviously I hope if it actually happened it would go a lot better.

For the record, I have no provisions whatsoever.... lies

Tyring to weigh up now whether I would stay put or walk (same town) to my mums. She has a bigger house so more at risk of burgulars, but semi detached so less fire risk than my mid terrace. I'm right on the edge of the town, can hear cows lol, whereas she is not far from the centre, both with their own advantages and disadvantages... Think me and DH might have to write a plan grin

FunnyRunner Wed 11-Sep-13 12:45:04

Talkin I'm glad for the sake of New York. Would be nice to believe it would be the same here. Let's hope we never find out grin

Beyond you think the way I think grin I'm petrified because when we changed our heating system we lost our cold tank. Even at the time I was thinking about the OFR and the water tank seemed necessary... So I may have instant hot water but come the apocalypse I'll have to 'walk to the river' - DH's answer for everything, even though it would be a 2 mile walk past the zombies and water is very heavy to carry by hand hmm

Kendodd Wed 11-Sep-13 22:04:15

Do you not think that a flat or council house would actually be less of a target than a nice country house? As a general rule, the poor don't take from the poor and there is usually a greater sense of community in a sink estate than any country village

I don't agree, I think you're a lot more likely to be mugged or burgled on a sink estate.

in deprived areas morality is a moveable feast.

Talkinpeace Wed 11-Sep-13 22:37:37

in obscenely rich areas it left years ago

Dont think it ever took root tbh..

BoffinMum Thu 12-Sep-13 10:19:50

MrsWembley, I do. My dad was an electrical engineer. grin

I have a big BBQ, a wind up radio, an extensive Duke of Edinburgh kit, an open fire in the living room, a river across the field at the back of us, and I am good at killing pheasants with the car. We should be fine. Don't even need a generator, not sure what we would use it for if it came to that. I would not enjoy digging out and using an ersatz earth toilet though. Have done that before and it is minging. I will probably just hold on until Armageddon has passed. grin

SuperiorCat Thu 12-Sep-13 16:11:36

As a result of this thread, I've done a mahoosive extra shop of tinned goods, ordered wind up torches and candles from Amazon and cleared space in the garage to accomodate it all.

I added bottled water onto mine blush

my ofrs stock is going in the attic

Talkinpeace Thu 12-Sep-13 20:11:46

I keep 750 gallons of rainwater stored in my garden.

eddiemairswife Thu 12-Sep-13 20:13:44

I'm still waiting to use the radio battery I got for the Millennium.

VerySmallSqueak Thu 12-Sep-13 20:34:44

grin at BoffinMum holding on until Armageddon has passed.

I second reading Alex Scarrows books.They're an eye opener.

FunnyRunner Fri 13-Sep-13 15:54:23

Can talkinpeace / anyone recommend a good rainwater storage barrel?

Talkinpeace Fri 13-Sep-13 16:43:35

Our 330 gallon one is an old orange juice container
and then we have 5 x 50 gallon linked by siphon by the greenhouse
the big butt (as DH calls it) came from here
shop.smithsofthedean.co.uk/recycled-1520-litre--330-gallon-water-tank-266-p.asp
and then we have a couple of extra buts dotted around ....

BoffinMum Sat 14-Sep-13 13:44:01

You lot are having an effect on me. I was stuck on the train to London yesterday and eyeing up the blackberries and so on as potential food, and then I was checking out my fellow passengers for their BBQ potential. They were a bit slim so I reckoned they would only really be good for stock TBH.

Talkinpeace Sat 14-Sep-13 20:08:42

Boffin
Outside DCs primary school was an ancient hedge (around 600 years old) and I used to stand and scrump while waiting for them - the LOOKS I got!

Fellow Passengers .... watch "Eat the Rich"

BoffinMum Sat 14-Sep-13 20:40:51

I was in first class so not a strategy I would be happy about. grin

Rummikub Sun 15-Sep-13 23:16:38

I'm watching it now on 4/7 and am freaked out a bit! I am looking at all the stuff that needs power. My gas fire uses a remote! How could I turn that on??

Adds to shopping list, candles, matches, wind up torch, radio. Foil blankets. What else?

Iamhappyanddelighted Tue 17-Sep-13 17:39:03

I watched it last night and it freaked the fuck out of me, especially because about 85 mins in, just after the sister of the guy in hospital let out a blood curdling " nooooooooooooooo" scream, my tv suddenly turned itself off and I was plunged into pitch black darkness on my own...in blackout! I swear my heartbeat didn't return to normal until about 2am!

Rummikub Tue 17-Sep-13 17:48:12

Oh my god how scary for you! I have been making lists for things to have in my doom cupboard. I even looked at powdered milk in tesco!

Is it a one off prog?

It says series 1 ep1 on 4od, so dont know if there are more coming or its thats a mistake?

VerySmallSqueak Wed 18-Sep-13 19:43:55

I assumed it was a one off drama-documentary,but it'd be great to have more.

I have been making sure my doomsday prepper oil lamps are functioning well,and feeding the dog and cat good protein wink.

Rummikub Wed 18-Sep-13 22:58:04

I couldn't bring myself to throw away meds I don't need anymore, like tabs for nausea. Might be useful in an apocalypse...

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