The mill

(64 Posts)
Davros England Sun 28-Jul-13 14:46:09

Starting tonight on C4. I wonder if it will be suitable for 10yo DD? They've "done" the Victorians at school so she might find it interesting. But the RT does say its a bit grim and the foreman regularly indecently assaults the women and girls! It is on at 8pm though.

ImNotBloody14 Sun 28-Jul-13 14:52:35

Im lookjng forward to watching this- could you record it and watch it in advance of letting her see it?

diddl Germany Sun 28-Jul-13 15:52:09

I'd record & watch tbh.

If only to get rid of the ads!

But I think there might also be children dying in the machinery?

Perhaps depends how much is depicted & hinted at.

KurriKurri Sun 28-Jul-13 16:04:38

Ooh I might watch this, I like a good trouble at t'mill drama, - having just about recovered from the absolute downer that was The Village, I feel its time to thoroughly depress myself again. grin

guineapiglet Sun 28-Jul-13 16:32:13

Hi - really looking forward to this - Downton Abbey it certainly won't be, and sounds like it is more of the gritty realism that was The Village! It might make uncomfortable viewing for us now in the 21st century, but it is part of the history curriculum, so may be worth watching and editing before allowing smaller children to watch.

Especially looking forward to the plot, based on real life evidence, personal accounts and actual documents from Quarry Bank Mill, - sounds like they needed to have aired this over the winter, not over summer holidays when most people will be away - it is a great and essential part of our heritage.

We used to live near QBM, and have regular school and family trips there, it is an amazing building, owned now by the National Trust. Our own village, on the Cheshire/Derbys borders had 4 such large mill buildings, all with their own character, though many have been redeveloped etc. I don't think it will be as sanitised and unrealistic as Cranford, hoping for a good balance, with some Catherine Cookson thrown in for good measure!

Ellenora5 Sun 28-Jul-13 17:06:36

I'm looking forward to this, have sky+ and series linked so fingers crossed it will be worth it, I hated The Village, very disappointed in it, so hopefully The Mill will be a good watch.

Davros England Sun 28-Jul-13 19:02:53

Good advice. I will record it and have a look first. We are just about to watch Letters To Juliet on C4+1 with DD now anyway. She likes that.

scrumpkin Sun 28-Jul-13 19:11:50

We live about a mile away from the actual mill and dd has studied it for school. She's 8 and i'll let her watch.

Davros England Sun 28-Jul-13 19:30:40

Thanks for that Skrumpkin. I think my DD can handle it and the trailer doesn't look nearly as scary as the stuff in the Radio Times

susiedaisy Sun 28-Jul-13 20:21:28

Marking my place

DameEdnasBridesmaid Sun 28-Jul-13 20:22:01

This looks far more promising than The Village did at this point!

Liking it so far.

girliefriend Sun 28-Jul-13 20:35:56

Its a bit grim isn't it?

Poor girls poor lad.....

So glad I wasn't around in this time.

hermioneweasley Sun 28-Jul-13 20:44:59

I watched the furs 10 mins and switched over. Hideous, not entertainment at all.

Those of you considering shows it to kids, will you now you've seen the first 10 mins? Child rape and amputattion. Yeuch.

ImNotBloody14 Sun 28-Jul-13 20:54:21

The girl playing miriam- she was in something else but i cant think what- does anyone know?

HoobleDooble England Sun 28-Jul-13 21:37:53

She was Sian (Sophie's gf) in Corro, was bugging me until DH put me out of my misery.

ImNotBloody14 Sun 28-Jul-13 21:41:26

Ahh! Thats it- she had blonde hair in corrie. Thats what was throwing me.

Southeastdweller Sun 28-Jul-13 21:43:47

From The preview I read it seems that this is one hell of a depressing episode. I'll probably hire the DVD and watch at my leisure but no way am I watching things like this on Sunday nights - I need Downton or rom-com escapism instead.

Davros England Sun 28-Jul-13 21:52:53

Hmmm, does sound grim and not child-friendly. I'll try to have a lo

Davros England Sun 28-Jul-13 21:54:15

Ok on the quiet tomorrow. Just seeing the end on +1 and it us very dark, literally. Not sure ill be able to follow what's going on.
Don't know why post sent itself halfway through

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Netherlands Sun 28-Jul-13 21:58:25

It's not really suitable for 8pm I didn't think, but I only managed halfway before the phone rang.

I was hoping we'd see them walking to St Bartholomew's and some of the countryside, rather than everything being so dark! Although I did recognise almost all the rooms, yearly school trips there paid off grin

ImNotBloody14 Sun 28-Jul-13 22:03:20

Brilliant that you can recognise so much of it polka!

Some of game of thrones was filmed in my town and even a few locals got extra work- it was weird recognising your own area and familiar faces in it.

GemmaTeller Mon 29-Jul-13 14:42:18

mmm...I'm watching on 4 od..... I can hardly make out whats happening its so dark and gloomy

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 14:45:14

Yes i thought it was very hard to make out too. I wonder if that was intentional? Make us feel like we're actually there?

guineapiglet Mon 29-Jul-13 15:49:08

Hi, i am like you polkadot very familiar with QBM and it is quite a dark and oppressive building so very atmospheric whilst they washed their faces in freezing cold water in the dawn light. Poor souls. The kids should really have been much younger sad

Why did they have to squeeze so much violence and gore in the first 15 mins we could have done with some background and context and a proper build up...

The millowners,the Greggs were supposed to have been really benevolent employers they built lots of mills in that part of cheshire, so goodess knows what the worst ones were like.

guineapiglet Mon 29-Jul-13 15:49:38

Hi, i am like you polkadot very familiar with QBM and it is quite a dark and oppressive building so very atmospheric whilst they washed their faces in freezing cold water in the dawn light. Poor souls. The kids should really have been much younger sad

Why did they have to squeeze so much violence and gore in the first 15 mins we could have done with some background and context and a proper build up...

The millowners,the Greggs were supposed to have been really benevolent employers they built lots of mills in that part of cheshire, so goodess knows what the worst ones were like.

guineapiglet Mon 29-Jul-13 15:51:22

Sorry posted twice
darn phone

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 18:42:21

Guinea do you mean the children that worked there were much younger than the ages portrayed in the programme?

guineapiglet Mon 29-Jul-13 19:02:30

Yes, they all looked like teenagers and presumably as one lass was pregnant at least had reached puberty, but a lot of the kids who worked there were so much younger than thatsad remember when the lad told the royal commission inspector that he was 9 when he started there...samuel greg looked petrified...

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:22:56

Yes that's right he did. Im very ignorant of what the laws regarding children were back then but was there a minimum age they were supposed to work at?

I saw in the trailer for next week a very girl being told she was unfit for work.

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:22:57

Yes that's right he did. Im very ignorant of what the laws regarding children were back then but was there a minimum age they were supposed to work at?

I saw in the trailer for next week a very girl being told she was unfit for work.

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:24:05

Sorry for xpost

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:24:18

Doh! I mean double post

guineapiglet Mon 29-Jul-13 19:38:02

There was a factory law passed in 1833 which is about the time the Mill is set, which you saw the crowd shouting for, which was trying to restrict the hours worked by children of all ages to just 10 hours a day (!) - but it was later revised so that 9 -14 would work 8 hours, and those up to 18 would work 12 hours, plus the act tried to force employers to give some of the day up to some form of education. Some life eh?

Where we lived in Cheshire there were four mills, the history was amazing, but there are photos of children as young as 5 going up there with their siblings. We don't know we are born really do we. I find it all really interesting history, you can see where the have and have not histories came from - the contrast between the life of the Gregs, who were actually quite benevolent and the normal workers. Good to think some progress has been made over the past 150 years!

ImNotBloody14 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:40:36

We really dont know we are born at all. I have always been thankful of being born when i was and not any earlier.

The thought if my dcs having to work in those mills just breaks my heart.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Netherlands Mon 29-Jul-13 20:39:57

I'm pretty sure they only took older children (compared to other mills).

They had to be able to reach over the top of their head and touch their other earlobe, which you can't do until you're 9ish. Younger than that and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't take them.

DameEdnasBridesmaid Wed 31-Jul-13 22:38:05

I live in a northern Pennines town, we are surrounded by old textile mills. My grandparents worked in the mills (a bit later than this though!)

Can you imagine any of us having to work in those conditions now? Or even live in those conditions.

susiedaisy Tue 06-Aug-13 10:23:31

Just watched the second episode and thought it was better so will stick with it.

Ellenora5 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:59:59

I'm still not sure whether not I like it, will watch next week though. It's a bit dark and dreary.

guineapiglet Wed 07-Aug-13 18:47:21

Hi - am still watching and enjoying The Mill, it is slowly getting better, although, yes, it is dark and grim to watch at times. But it is such an amazing period of history, such massive social change that it is really compelling stuff, but like I said before, might have been better scheduled for the dark winter nights! The sheer hypocrisy of the Gregs, who were well thought of as being benevolent employers compared to many, and their stance on Anti Slavery, when turning a blind eye in many ways, to the conditions of their own workers... or at least being convinced that their workers had better treatment and should be glad of it. Its what always amazes me about the Victorians, such amazing progress on so many fronts, but such cruelty as well. Still, without the Industrial Revolution there would have been no Empire etc etc, talk about you reap what you sow.......

guineapiglet Wed 07-Aug-13 18:48:45

... and it is always the 'haves' who do well at the expense of the 'have nots' - no change there then.

ShadeofViolet Thu 08-Aug-13 10:57:00

The problem with the 1833 Factory Act is that it did not provide any real way of checking that it was being adhered to. A handful of inspectors were employed for over 4000 mills.

Oblomov Thu 08-Aug-13 17:58:36

Am finding it nearly as depressing as 'The Village', which I had to give up on, because it was so bl**dy depressing, and nothing happened. And I don't mind bleak, or slow drama. But the village was, pitiful in that sense. And I think this is similar.

cheerfulweatherforthewedding Thu 08-Aug-13 21:27:05

I'm not sure I like it. It's not as grim as The Village, but it's almost like a soap opera, somehow.

Raahh Spain Sun 11-Aug-13 20:04:14

It's funny watching today- we were at QBM again on Thursday, because it's only round the corner, we go quite often. Is funny to see things like the apprentice house on film. Was busy though- and there was a news crew there as well, so it's helped with the tourists.

OctopusPete8 Sun 11-Aug-13 20:21:44

What did the big matron like woman mean when she said ,

'You do the crime, I do the suffering, wheres the justice?'

ImNotBloody14 Sun 11-Aug-13 20:29:39

she meant the girl had done the running away but the matron was the one having to fetch her up her meals up all those stairs= extra work for her but the girl, although in solitary confinement, was not having to do her work.

expatinscotland Sun 11-Aug-13 20:41:27

The Suzanna love story is such shit. Yeah, great looking guy would really have courted a woman pregnant out of wedlock.

Ellenora5 Sun 11-Aug-13 20:45:04

I've given up now, it's far too dreary for me, I know it all happened and I usually love programmes similar to this, but after The Village and now this, I'm not sure I want to see anymore. I was thinking that myself expat, I suppose it might, anyway once I saw the haircutting I turned it off.

OctopusPete8 Sun 11-Aug-13 20:47:56

Oh right yeah should thought, tuned in a few minutes in.

she died didn't she,

She's pretty though isn't she? expat.

Can't believe they cut off her hair. sad

expatinscotland Sun 11-Aug-13 20:58:00

It's still bullshit. She would have been shunned entirely and given the child up. NO chance a good looking foreman would have stepped in and married her pregnant and probably wouldn't have been given permission to do so.

OctopusPete8 Sun 11-Aug-13 22:03:19

the married bit after a few days was far fetched.

ImNotBloody14 Sun 11-Aug-13 22:03:28

isn't it based on true accounts?

soverylucky Mon 12-Aug-13 09:55:59

Esther price is real but they DID NOT cut off her hair in real life. They have taken a few real pieces of information and used "artistic licence".

kim147 Mon 12-Aug-13 21:34:46

My family owned a cotton mill in Lancashire back in these times. I would love to know what conditions were like and how workers were treated.

DoveDovePigeon Mon 12-Aug-13 22:07:45

Loving this program

kim147 Sun 18-Aug-13 20:59:01

Poor Tommy. Have they forgotten him?

StephenFrySaidSo Sun 18-Aug-13 22:15:58

is that the end of it now? will there be no more episodes?

kim147 Sun 18-Aug-13 23:29:04

I hope not. I'm getting into it.

StephenFrySaidSo Sun 18-Aug-13 23:36:07

there was a bit of text at the end of tonight's episode saying something like, these are the stories of real people. is that at the end of every ep? ive never noticed before.

Clawdy Mon 19-Aug-13 10:36:00

All the real-life stories are on the Channel 4 page about it. Esther's story was very like her real life. But she actually asked for solitary confinement instead of having her hair cut off sad Also I believe old Mr.Greg died as a result of being attacked by a stag in the grounds two years before. Surprised they didn't include that!

kim147 Mon 19-Aug-13 11:47:08

Interesting stuff and interesting times.

I do think social history and how the workers were treated is fascinating.

The Tolpuddle martyrs, the Peterloo massacre, Corn Laws - all good potential dramas.

Aquilla Sun 25-Aug-13 22:10:31

Is there any one from Corrie not in this? First Sian and now Molly!

StephenFrySaidSo Sun 25-Aug-13 22:16:55

are you watching a week behind? i tried to find it this evening but couldn't. i thought it must be over?

Deathbyladybirds Mon 26-Aug-13 07:02:32

Gutted

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