"Les Revs"/ The Returned - thread two for those of us watching at C4 pace - NO SPOILERS!

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LizTerrine Sat 29-Jun-13 07:29:41

As it says really - the old thread is nearly full, so here's a continuation for those of us watching on C4 on Sundays. Please, no spoilers - not even vague ones!

If you've watched the whole if season one already, there's a naughty corner another thread over there -->

phantomhairpuller Sat 29-Jun-13 07:32:48

Ooh I was just about start my own thread. I set series link for 'the returned' (or so I thought!!) have just watched first episode and realised I've missed one or two. Next one set to record says camille is under new identity as Alice- so how much have I missed?!

anonacfr Sat 29-Jun-13 08:29:37

Ok apparently the writers were very influenced visually by Let the Right One In.
Just like I said.

How sad is my life that I was very proud of myself when I found out?

Janek Sat 29-Jun-13 08:34:24

phantom i would say you've missed two - 'simon' and 'julie'. I think someone said the next one is called 'victor', but camille started being alice in 'julie'. Iyswim. Get thee to 4od!

Yamyoid Sat 29-Jun-13 08:37:47

I've seen that advertised and was planning to watch. Don't tell me I've missed a load sad
There's hardly anything worth watching on tv at the moment so I was looking forward to it.
Is it on 4od?

Marking my place.

I so need at least some answers by the end of this series!

Yamyoid Sat 29-Jun-13 08:38:28

Oh xpost. Thanks Janek.

BrownBearBrownBear Sat 29-Jun-13 08:42:16

I lurked through the whole of the other thread but will mark my place here grin

Despite having started the other thread, I'm defecting to this one; the original thread got a bit confusing because different people are at different stages in the series.

madhairday Sat 29-Jun-13 10:01:03

Ooh good. Marking my spot in the goody goody corner grin

Looking forward to tomorrows and finding out more about Victor, hopefully.

Still going under the whole village drowned/reflection of past theory...

RiotsNotDiets Sat 29-Jun-13 10:14:31

I'm attacking a sociology report today and tomorrow to get it done for Monday. I'm only going to let myself watch tomorrow if I've done it shock

MOTIVATION

phantomhairpuller Sat 29-Jun-13 10:43:55

Thanks Janek grin

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 29-Jun-13 11:49:29

I'm here! And so is my Homeopathic Dam Theory grin

toldmywrath Sat 29-Jun-13 15:38:02

Oh Dam-not that old theory grin
I might be eating my words-who knows (have only watched the first 3 on c4 so deffo no spoilers from me)

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 29-Jun-13 16:39:09

It's a SUPERB theory and I shall cling to it desperately in face of sceptics with their scientific evidence and randomised controlled trials.

Hmmmpff!

NoHank Sat 29-Jun-13 16:59:56

Just checking in. I'm sticking with the non spoilery not watching aheady gang. It's nice to speculate wildly and all go "ooooh did you see that" at the same time grin

I'm liking the village under the water theory (and of course Bore's Homeopathic Dam theory). Although I'm not sure how a drowned village would relate to the returned ones seeing as so far they have all died in very non water related ways?

And Victor??? Looking forward to sussing him out a bit more

BlackAffronted Sat 29-Jun-13 18:07:19

Bore, give me your Dam theory in a nutshell please smile

LizTerrine Sat 29-Jun-13 18:29:35

NoHank - the coach could have ended up in the water, no? We didn't see where it landed...and Serge might have drowned?

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 29-Jun-13 19:04:51

I'm def on this thread - cant believe some have watched all the episodes shock

Someone said same as me on other thread

That when Lucy is being attacked that she lingers - she kneed serge in the balls and then hesitated

Wouldn't you scream and run away?

Yet she stays for a few seconds - which means she then gets stabbed

Normally watch live but away for weekend and won't be back till afterwards - so I won't read this thread after 9pm
Tomorrow evening smile

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 29-Jun-13 19:19:49

The Homeopathic Dam Theory in a nutshell for BlackAffronted:

The water in the dam is homeopathic water which remembers dead people/things and reconstitutes them when the time is right.

Everything in the old village (which we are assuming existed) is under the water and everything in the new village has at some point been in contact water which has drained into the dam. Therefore the Homeopathic Dam can revenant anything that is or ever was in the villages.

Supporting evidence: the French are v v keen on homeopathy (I learned that on Mumsnet!)

anonacfr Sat 29-Jun-13 20:12:55

The bus didn't fall in the lake though. Wasn't there a different angle scene (when we see the road at the v beginning of the show) where we see the valley underneath where (presumably) the bus landed?

I still think it's likely there's something buried at the bottom of the lake- near my grandparents house (in France) there's an artificial lake similar to the one in the program. A local village was abandoned in preparation for the water level rising but in the end the lake didn't reach it. It's still there and quite eerie to visit.
There was a hippy commune there in the 70s but it is now in ruins. They've oddly kept a town hall (deserted) and a post office (also deserted) there.

niffernaffer Sat 29-Jun-13 20:20:39

Technically, though, it should be the homeopathic reservoir theory...

ThePskettiIncident Sat 29-Jun-13 20:28:00

I have a theory! (It's a crap one!)

Are people being resurrected because the Wrong person died, or someone else who was supposed to have didn't.

E.g should Lena have died because she was supposed to be on the bus?

And why didn't Julie die?

Intrigued as to who drove the car that killed Simon... Was it one of the brothers from the bar, including the psychopath?

And why does Lena have a fatal looking scar growing on her back?

Am I right one thinking that the wolf came back to life because it was killed by the resurrected murderer?

And why the dead rabbit in the bin in Lena and camille's house?

No idea abou the water draining out or creepy victor yet! Presume the whole thing revolves around Julie though in the end.

Marking place and reiterating NO SPOILERS
A demain mes amis

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 29-Jun-13 20:50:48

Technically, though, it should be the homeopathic reservoir theory... grin

susiedaisy Sat 29-Jun-13 21:02:43

Just marking place

Yonihadtoask Sat 29-Jun-13 21:03:55

Marking my place also.

NoHank Sat 29-Jun-13 22:46:34

Good point Liz but the reason I thought Camille and the coach didn't go in the water was because I thought I remembered her saying she woke up on the mountain?

And for some reason for which I have no evidence whatsoever I'm thinking the returned are coming back from the place where they die.

As for everything else, I have no idea. I Honky know the names of serge and toni from reading the other thread! Although I still think Camille chomped on the animal in the bin and Victor ate cat woman

NoHank Sat 29-Jun-13 22:49:02

Honky????? How the buggery did my phone auto correct only to honky? hmm

ScrambledSmegs Sat 29-Jun-13 22:52:06

'Ullo. I'm here. As is my propensity for over-thinking everything and GCSE-level French.

Although it appears I have Le Skillz at deducing what is actually implied in the dialogue, far better than the really quite basic subtitles. I think it comes from the Spiral marathon (on DVD) and accidentally turning off the subtitles and not being able to turn them back on again till the final episode. Improved my franglais no end.

ScrambledSmegs Sat 29-Jun-13 22:52:44

PMSL at Honky.

Are you being racialist, NoHank?

grin

LondonJax Sat 29-Jun-13 22:57:26

I think Simon was killed by Adele's 'now' hubby to be, the police officer. Cos he's very, very obsessed with her, all those CCTV cameras in their house!

NoHank Sat 29-Jun-13 22:57:41

My phone might be, certainly not me!

I wish I had a glimmer of francais in my vocabulary. I get the feeling I'm missing loads with just the subtitles. And while you're reading them you're missing the subtle looks and and what not between the characters that enhance the story.

Still loving though!

VivaLeBeaver Sat 29-Jun-13 22:58:56

Marking place.

À demain!

ScrambledSmegs Sat 29-Jun-13 23:01:05

Oh god oh god oh god. I meant that in a 'French go haw-hee-haw-hee-haw' (oh what a horrific juvenile 'joke' that is)

I've had wine. I realise how that ^ could be misconstrued. I'm dying here, really I am.

Sorry sorry sorry sorry a million times sorry blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush

NoHank Sat 29-Jun-13 23:26:03

Sorry smegs not really sure why you're so apologetic?

I really don't think you've offended anyone, honest. Although I've had a wine or two myself so may be missing something!

If it was about my auto correct I got what you meant. Although it really was a genuine mistake! I must have pressed the h key before typing out only and that's what my sodding phone came up with!

ScrambledSmegs Sat 29-Jun-13 23:34:21

DH pointed out a non-pc interpretation of 'honky'. So the very fact that I linked it to racism was pretty bad, IYKWIM. I mean, I realise it's aimed at white people but it's not like that makes it any better.

I feel so very bloody stupid blush

anonacfr Sat 29-Jun-13 23:52:59

Re the subtitles- they are strangely annoying. The dialogue itself is rather basic and easily translate-able but the subtitles are often not quite accurate.

As an example they might say in French 'if that's what you think' but the subtitle will say 'if that's what you want'. So there'll be a slightly different nuance in the translation.
It's seriously annoying me.

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 00:00:58

Me too anon. I've noticed the same thing. There's a sloppy overuse of "see you soon", when it's not always exactly that, e.g "see you at home" or similar.

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 00:10:00

Don't dwell on it Smegs I don't think anyone thinks you were being racist.

re the subtitles, I can't speak French other than bonjour and voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir which I find is usually enough , so I hope I'm not missing too much?

anonacfr Sun 30-Jun-13 07:57:08

You're not really missing much with the subtitles. It's just irritating but not misleading.

Bumpotato Sun 30-Jun-13 09:07:53

grin at riots and her French abilities!

gaggiagirl Sun 30-Jun-13 09:22:53

Bonjour! Just marking my place for tonight. Can't wait to find out what victor is all about.

limitedperiodonly Sun 30-Jun-13 09:25:45

I've got quite good at subtitles - I watch loads of those Sky Arts foreign dramas. I dip down, read it quickly and then watch the acting. I get stupidly proud if I manage to pick up a difference between the speech and the subtitles.

I still miss loads though - what's the bin-thing everyone's talking about? I don't remember a bin at all.

Janek Sun 30-Jun-13 10:44:55

Camille's mum found a dead, bloody cat(?) in the kitchen bin, recoiled in revulsion then never mentioned it again, because everything is fine, dead daughters coming back - normal, mauled carcasses is the bin - normal, etc etc.

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 10:48:59

I'm french and not offended smegs, don't beat yourself up.
The main difference that i have seen between the subtitles and what they say is mainly that they swear like troupers in french. Shame as subtitled taratino movies are how i learnt most of my english swear words. grin

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 10:49:50

Tarantino not taratino.

limitedperiodonly Sun 30-Jun-13 10:52:35

Thanks. How did I miss that? blush

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 11:40:21

Qazxc yes I noticed too! Disn't they subtitle putain! As damn! This week?

The dead/undead animals is freakish! As was the mum's dismissal of it.

toldmywrath Sun 30-Jun-13 12:31:07

au jourd'hui je suis mostly watching les Revenants.
grin at Riots too & commendable French abilities.

Onetwo34 Sun 30-Jun-13 15:04:28

Yay it's on tonight!

They're ghosts crossed with zombies, sort of, aren't they? More normal than usual zombies, but angry, eating animals, killing people... I think Victor is an old zombie, and he made the bus crash to eat all the people.

Well, no I don't quite think that. But the idea did flit across my mind for a moment.

nennypops Sun 30-Jun-13 17:14:04

NoHank - the coach could have ended up in the water, no? We didn't see where it landed...and Serge might have drowned?

That was my theory at one stage, but when I rewatched episode 1 I discovered that it didn't land in the water. So now I don't have any theory and am just watching in total confusion.

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 17:46:17

Darn grin.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 20:24:56

I think it was Thomas who killed Simon, hence his disbelief at seeing him reappear.

Mind you, that would mean we've got 5 murderers in one small village:

Serge (killed Lucy)
Toni (killed Serge)
Mr Costa (his wife)
Victor (the neighbour)
And Thomas (Simon)

toldmywrath Sun 30-Jun-13 20:37:49

What about David in Psychoville who done five murders-which is the better place to live? (Harry Hill would have something to say about this)

StringBeanJean Sun 30-Jun-13 20:52:20

Ooh marking place. 10 minutes people,10 minutes!

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 20:57:16

Eek! Am so excited. Really hoping I can summon up the willpower bit to just keep watching on you tube afterwards. It would ruin the lovely anticipation!

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 20:57:48

Not instead of bit!

abi2790 Sun 30-Jun-13 21:00:43

Woohoo the returned time grin

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:05:44

Poor Victor sad

girliefriend Sun 30-Jun-13 21:06:09

Marking place (am scared already!)

SunshineBossaNova Sun 30-Jun-13 21:08:36

Poor little Victor sad

girliefriend Sun 30-Jun-13 21:14:55

What is going on with that scar?

And I am going right off Simon angry

girliefriend Sun 30-Jun-13 21:15:41

And I don't feel that sorry for Victor as far as we know he killed that noisy neighbour!!!

StringBeanJean Sun 30-Jun-13 21:16:00

That scar is nasty - and did it look like it was hairy...? shock

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 21:16:17

Poor Victor - now we have seven murderers though!

Is the wound on Lena's back one of the injuries Camille suffered?

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 21:17:17

Anyone else have to go and stare lovingly at their sleeping child in the break? and check the locks Poor little victor sad

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 21:17:25

Was it hairy? confused

I thought it was gangrenous or something.

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 21:18:26

decomposy? if thats even a word grin

abi2790 Sun 30-Jun-13 21:18:40

Poor Victor sad.

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:19:57

oh lights...

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 21:20:51

so when did she realise that he wasn't some figment of her imagination and hide him in the attic and realise he needs feeding? How does the gendarme chief with all his cctv not know this?
Feeling bad for victor. Did the first guy sound like Pierre (the one who runs helping hand and support group (whilst boinking quite a few of the women in it)?

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 21:21:50

that scar is looking nasty and sceptic.

Hertschick Sun 30-Jun-13 21:24:05

Poor Victor - so scary. What about the trucks?

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 21:24:39

Have all the returned come back evil versions of themselves?

MrsDeVere Sun 30-Jun-13 21:24:43

I am late.
I didn't like the Victor bit.
I hate it when they show a child wetting themselves out of fear. [sad

I wasn't properly concentrating at the beginning so I might have to watch this one again.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 21:26:51

DH thinks they're all going to die and the revenants have come to warn them...

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 21:28:43

Yes Lenas back looked mottled

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 21:28:43

Weirder and weirder

girliefriend Sun 30-Jun-13 21:30:26

I think the trucks are bringing in water.....

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 21:31:10

Trucks are something to do with the dam I reckon, they've been hinting at it for long enough and something needs to actually happen before we all get bored of it.

What was with Simon's face turning into Thomas'?

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:41:19

qazxc - I thought the robber sounded like Pierre.

Oh - Chloe has found the camera! HA!

MrsDeVere Sun 30-Jun-13 21:41:30

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH he get ketch (as the young people say)

PatFenis Sun 30-Jun-13 21:41:32

Uh oh Thomas has been rumbled!

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:42:11

So if the water from the dam floods the power station then all the lights go out, right?
The town itself will "die"?

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:47:30

Herts it looks like the trucks were coming to pump water away from the power station.

What do we think they meant about what happened last time?

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 21:47:38

Are they pumping water out of the power station?

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 21:47:59

The dam people said something about 'last time' and then it showed the top of a church spire sticking out of the water, so there is another village under the dam.

girliefriend Sun 30-Jun-13 21:48:17

I think that policewoman might regret taking Victor......

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 21:48:25

The original village perhaps?

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:48:38

I think so, Liz.

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 21:49:05

God, I missed that Riots. Good spot.

eightytwenty Sun 30-Jun-13 21:49:48

What do you make of the morphing? Ie when Simon became Thomas when he was in bed with the fiancé? And when the serial killer was attacking the dr and then became victor? Am wondering whether they are 'returned' or something else taking the form of the dead.

perplexedpirate Sun 30-Jun-13 21:50:25

If simon's face turned into Thomas', and we think Thomas might have killed Simon, and victor and that balaclavaed man switched places last week and attacked Julie, maybe the killers and victims can switch?
Or summink?

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:51:27

Pierre's a slimy shit, profiting from Jerome hurting Lena.

muffinino82 Sun 30-Jun-13 21:52:37

I wonder if a coffin will be opened this week as shown in the trailer (I missed the beginning if it's happened). I'm not sure if it will be creepier if the body is still there or if it is not shock

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 21:53:17

Wow. and the lights go out.

SunshineBossaNova Sun 30-Jun-13 21:54:24

I think Pierre and Thomas were the 'robbers' - Pierre was the one who short Victor.

muffinino82 Sun 30-Jun-13 21:54:33

I like eighty and perplexed's theories on the morphing. Agin, nit sure which is creepier!

O-o at Camille admitting to knowing about the sneaky sex!

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 21:59:07

ahhh she's a shagging medium!

muffinino82 Sun 30-Jun-13 21:59:18

During lol! grin

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:00:59

It was that fucker Pierre.
Bastard

abi2790 Sun 30-Jun-13 22:00:59

uh oh it was Pierre!

PatFenis Sun 30-Jun-13 22:01:27

omg its Pierre that was talking to Victor before he was shot!!!

muffinino82 Sun 30-Jun-13 22:01:29

So Victor talked or mind controlled cat lady in to suicide?

And Simon committed suicide...?

PatFenis Sun 30-Jun-13 22:02:18

frigging hell I'm watching about 2 mins behind after taking a pee break blush

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:02:37

Viva was right - how very French re the medium!

And Simon shot himself??

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:03:12

No Lena - not the underpass of doom!!!

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 22:03:58

Pierre you slimy bastard!

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:05:17

It looks like all the revenants have some sort of ability to change what people see or think?

Also - the bit about Simon knowing about Chloe's prayers was creepy. Is that another piece of mind-fuckery or did he just overhear her saying her prayers when he was hiding upstairs?

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:06:31

Surely that underpass would still be shut off? Or under surveillance, at least!

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 22:06:33

Why haven't they cordoned off the underpass?

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 22:06:49

ah x post

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 22:07:21

I think the lights turned off to help Simon escape the police.

AvonCallingBarksdale Sun 30-Jun-13 22:07:23

I feel very unsettled now. Bonne nuit indeed hmm

I have been passing off some of the MN collective's best ideas as mine while watching this with DH. "Did Simon kill himself?" "I wonder if Lucy was a medium" etc.

DH now thinks I'm some sort of savant! grin

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:07:58

Yes, Camille wanted to be alone with whatshisface, and so she was. He asked where everyone else was, and when the lights came back on, there they were.

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 22:08:01

I think Simon overheard that. He was above her room.

Still going with my crappy theory that it's all ghostly unfinished business with the wrong person dying each time.

The twin shared injury thing is horrible, and Camille is really not nice!

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 22:09:15

whats the twins shared injury?

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:10:06

But PSketti if Simon topped himself then how can that be the wrong person dying?

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 22:10:31

As is Lena has the injury that killed Camille and thy can both "feel" each other whenever it's about Frederick.

muffinino82 Sun 30-Jun-13 22:11:05

So all the Returned seem to have suffered violent deaths - bus crash, shootings, murdered...

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 22:12:08

I hadnt realised camille had the injury too, these threads are always useful!

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 22:12:37

Teejwood, Thomas made an allusion to Adele being "Ill" before which is why he was surveilling her. That could be ref to her trying to commit suicide.

<clutching at straws>

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:12:57

A lot of violent death (murders in particular!) for such a small town.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:13:23

Did she talk to the dead before or after sex?

During. grin

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:13:30

Was Lena's injury not where her father hurt her a year previously? He had been seeing Lucy for a year so maybe that was the start. Jerome went to see Lucy to contact Camille in the afterlife, Lena called him on it and that is why he shoved her or whatever so she hurt her back. So Camille is the reason for Lena's back in a roundabout way...

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:13:52

Black, I think that's still speculation actually. Although I agree with the idea.

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:14:50

Re Adele - but we know she turned up at the church all happy - not at all the suicide pact that had been my theory in advance of that revelation...

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 22:15:29

how old is pierre then? the shooting happened 35 years ago ...

MOn DIEU

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:15:40

There was a steeple poking out of the dam, wasn't there? So, there is a drowned village under there?

And... Pierre saying that to Victor - I really did not see that coming!

alpinemeadow Sun 30-Jun-13 22:16:05

How did chloe know that simon shot himself (if indeed he did - but i assume that's what pierre told ?um, name? How can i have forgotten it?) how do we know it's true though?

Pierre talking to Victor gave me proper heebie jeebies

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:16:50

He could be 50-55, no?

Teej, I think the injury is both the result of Jerome shoving her, and Camille's return.

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:17:34

Lots of creepy kids.

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 22:18:18

I really hope something bloody awful doesn't happen to Adele, Chloe et al. They are in victor's old house (aren't they?) and Chloe is drawing as much as victor.

alpinemeadow Sun 30-Jun-13 22:20:18

Adele, yes, thank you. Pierre presumably told adele that simon in fact shot himself?
Julie not sorry to see victor go, then? I would be highly relieved, i must say, after seeing those pics!

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:22:17

Was it not the police who found that Simon had killed himself and the priest asked them to lie about it?

rosy71 Sun 30-Jun-13 22:23:10

How do you know Adele is living in Victor's old house????

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:23:21

They're not in the same house, but they look similar. Perhaps related?

alpinemeadow Sun 30-Jun-13 22:23:56

Ah - is that victor's old house?
Oddly i got the impression that the woman at the beginning wasn't victor's mother, it was a slightly less familiar relationship. Was he on a sleepover (then still known as staying the night)?
Oh and massively well done to those who recognised pierre's voice!

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:26:54

Wow. This is one of the best things I've watched in ages.

Pierre - clearly a shit for telling Claire about the attack. Also I wasn't sure if it was just a coincidence him saying that to Victor, but some of you recognised his voice? However it was his partner who shot Victor, Pierre was actually trying to save him?

Simon - i thought he was killed in a car accident? Difficult to make that look like a gun suicide...

Glad you guys posted about Simon's face morphing into Thomas's - thought I was imagining that!

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 22:27:22

not Victors old house, his was alone ona hillside, Adeles is in a row of very modern new builds

alpinemeadow Sun 30-Jun-13 22:27:58

Yes, the police found Simon (but then, how do we know pierre didn't bump him off' then make it look like suicide?). I was wondering how chloe knew to draw simon pointing the gun at his head - did she overhear what pierre said to adele?

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 22:28:00

I don't know, but it just looked/felt very similar.

It's the spooky drawing too.

Poor victor. That beginning was hideous.

girliefriend Sun 30-Jun-13 22:28:30

Each week I get more scared...

I find Pierres 'hostel' very weird, as if a child would be put there hmm very unlikely even by the series standards.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:29:10

Also, DH thinks that Lena' s scar is a 'psychic link' to a crack in the dam grin

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 22:31:20

Except thete is no crack in the dam...

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 22:31:32

Black affronted, you only saw victor's house from the valley side covered in ivy, and I think we've only seen adele's from the roadside, but both are on the hill overlooking the valley and both are rectangular boxes.

I fully acknowledge I am clutching at straws and always wrong at this!

P.s on odd subtitle watch... We had "sleeping like a log" in English, when Julie actually said she slept like a baby. Why did they changed that? It's just as common a phrase to say baby!

BlackAffronted Sun 30-Jun-13 22:33:28

my poor French picked that up too sketti!

rosy71 Sun 30-Jun-13 22:33:34

I found it weird that Victor would be placed in the hostel too. Are all the people there dead? Was Mrs Costa there? What does Pierre know about people returning?

alpinemeadow Sun 30-Jun-13 22:33:48

Aliasjoey, i also thought i'd imagined the simon/thomas morph, glad others mentioned it.
Of course, maybe the voice only soundedlike pierre, and as alias suggests it was just a coincidence that pierre also said think of something nice, sing a song etc. In which case victor is about to wreak revenge on the wrong person! Though surely victor will want to find out who the actual killer was as well.. . .
I wonder why victor agreed to go with the policewoman - he definitely wanted to stay with julie last week?

LizTerrine Sun 30-Jun-13 22:37:12

Perhaps the other guy in the mask was Mr Costa.

Pierre is definitely collecting revenants. He know something. Just waiting for Camille to rock up there too now.

MrsDeVere Sun 30-Jun-13 22:37:40

What did Piere say to Victor?

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 22:39:09

Adele def had some sort of breakdown after simon died, when he first reappeared she was all worried about "it" starting again. and tonight he said i only had them in for when you don't answer the phone, in case you've hurt yourself again. so it's either suicide attempt or some pretty serious self harm.
Damn it we had Lucy reaching the dead through bum hairs, nobody guessed the bonking psychic. What happens if the bloke "finishes early" does he not get a full reading? Can she only have blokes as customers? Well i suppose if she can't contact their love ones they can't really complain, at least they've had their jollies.
Were all the returned not very nice or have they turned nastier on coming back (although serge is probably quite similar).
Are there any guesses on who killed Victor? Pierre was the first bloke (either that or it was a very bad choice of words and sounds very similar), I'm going to guess Mr Costa for the second. I don't think it can be Thomas as it was 35 years ago.
Has the water gone from the reservoir into the power station and they were frantically trying to pump it out. Any guesses at what happened before?
There seems to an awful lot of CCTV in that town (apart from the one place where evryone seems to get sliced and scoffed.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:43:59

Pierre said to Victor the exact words that one of the burglars used to try and calm him down (it didn't work and the other burglar shot him)

twofingerstoGideon Sun 30-Jun-13 22:44:43

Maybe Pierre is also a revenant. If he was one of Victor's killers he could have died and come back since the murder. It would explain the age difference thing and also the fact that he's so ready and willing to believe in the other revenants.

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 22:45:26

and it was about four sentences so something quite hard to say coincidentally to someone.

twofingerstoGideon Sun 30-Jun-13 22:45:47

Mr Costa? A killer? Noooooooooooo!

teejwood Sun 30-Jun-13 22:46:05

Re Victor - the bedroom was set up with a nightlight for a child who was afraid of the dark, so surely that means it was Victor's house and Victor's bedroom at the start?

Also - do we think Mme Costa and Victor clocked each other as revenants at the hostel?

I noticed "sleep like a baby" too.

The doctor was planning to 'puncture' Lena's back in the morning! I think the more obvious translation would be 'biopsy'.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:46:13

qazxc you are making me laugh with your theories about lucy

The revenants do seem to be angrier, hungrier and very... cold?

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:47:27

I don't mean physically cold, I mean emotionally

I was shock that a young child would be put into a mixed dormitory with adult strangers. The safeguarding procedures in that town seem to have gone the way of the goats. Although I think they look more like deer.

Abra1d Sun 30-Jun-13 22:50:42

'Damn it we had Lucy reaching the dead through bum hairs, nobody guessed the bonking psychic.'

Someone did on MN--can't remember who.

Was Mrs Costa victor's mother, or just another similar-looking woman?

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 22:51:21

I'd say pierre is in his mid to late 50's, which would make him in his twenties when Victor got killed.
I also thought that Victor was not the son of the lady tucking him in but it didn't seem like a sleepover (you would let the kids sleep in the same room, the visiting child wouldn't ask to come in your bed, the other kids wouldn't know about nightmares, .....). I was thinking that he was maybe a newish foster kid or similar. which would explain his easily going off with strange people that he thinks will look after him (first julie then police woman) and not looking for his own family like the rest of them do.

eightytwenty Sun 30-Jun-13 22:51:47

Hadn't clocked that was mme costa in the shelter. More info due on the costas. We don't know how she died do we? And all we know about him is positive?

anonacfr Sun 30-Jun-13 22:58:06

They were chamois- a sort of mountain goat. They're bigger than goats with a brown body and a stripy face.
There were also another type of alpine goat thing. The one with the curly horns, I can't think of what they're called.

How do we know Mr Costa killed his wife???? I know he burned her when she returned but I completely missed the reference about her 'first' death.

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:59:34

Pierre didn't kill Victor, his partner-in-crime did!

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 23:01:42

In a return (geddit?) to the spade/shovel debacle, what is the difference between a spire and a steeple?

qazxc Sun 30-Jun-13 23:07:00

We don't know how mrs Costa died only that "she was taken from him too soon, hopefully they are happy together now" (priest at his funeral).

ThePskettiIncident Sun 30-Jun-13 23:08:17

Spires are ornamental and steeples have bells?

Or spires are in cathedrals and steeples on churches?

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 23:12:38

According to steeplesandspires.com blush a spire is the top of a steeple.

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 23:14:14

So I think that makes me right technically <sticks tongue out at joey>

RobotBananas Sun 30-Jun-13 23:18:14

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ScrambledSmegs Sun 30-Jun-13 23:25:43

YES! I said she was a sex medium! I am Le Shizzle!

Now, how do you say 'Get In' in french? So it makes sense, not in a random Google translate way? grin

Missed a lot of that. Was on the phone to mes parents for ages, c'est l'anniversaire de ma mère. Gotta re-watch, then come back.

Oh hang on. I also went mad on the speculation at the end of the last fred and said What if Pierre killed Victor?.

Well blow me down. Who wants me to pick their next lottery numbers then? grin

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 23:30:56

riots I bow down to your greater knowledge in googling smile

scrambled Pierre didn't kill Victor, it was the other burglar (currently unknown... wonder if it could be Thomas, later killed and now a revenants himself, thus not having aged - am determined to find Thomas guilty of something just because he gives me the creeps)

ScrambledSmegs Sun 30-Jun-13 23:35:47

Yeah yeah, he was bloody well involved though wasn't he? <huffs>

It was a damn good guess anyway. I shall keep on with the mad speculation 'cos sometimes it pays off grin

Bloody hell, I sure missed a lot of that one. I really need to watch it all again.

anonacfr Sun 30-Jun-13 23:43:56

Get in in French (I assume you're asking about the regular meaning as opposed to the lewd one) is entre (singular) entrez (plural or formal)

RiotsNotDiets Sun 30-Jun-13 23:47:05

I think 'get in' in this context means "YUSSSSSS!! I have achieved something/something has gone well for me <fist pump>"

aliasjoey Sun 30-Jun-13 23:52:40

Madly theorising... if Pierre was caught as burglar, would he be allowed to run a safe house?

Otherwise, he was never caught because he is dead

Tallalime Mon 01-Jul-13 00:06:30

I lurked my way through the last Fred. I am watching episode 4 on or now... so I'm going to be reading this during the as.

I am loving it grin but I do have to concentrate a lot more than normal so I don't miss any of the subtitles... turns out my French is a bit rubbish massive understatement

alpinemeadow Mon 01-Jul-13 07:15:13

Alias pierre may not have pulled the trigger (and in fact i admit he tried to persuade ??not to) but i think blame can reasonably be attached to him for victor's death! - in a 'well this is what happens when you go into houses with guns' sense. We don't know it was a burglary do we - the shooting makes me wonder whether it was something more targeted at the nice lady?

I too failed to recognise mrs costa in the dorm - you are all very observant!

qazxc Mon 01-Jul-13 07:34:08

I didn't get the feeling it was a burglary, more of a murdering spree. yes pierre didn't shoot victor, but he was an accomplice, he has to shoulder some responsibility.
I don't think that adele's and thomas house is Victor's, it looks like a new build that is part of a fenced in estate (my guess is that thomas the control freak picked it). Adele would be better off dumping both simon and thomas IMO

qazxc Mon 01-Jul-13 07:41:23

I have another theory about the revenants is it a "careful what you pray for link".
Claire prayed for camille to come back (ep1)
Mr Costa's wife was taken to soon and hopefully they are together now according to priest, so he prob did too.
Adele's daughter seems to be fairly religious, could she have prayed for dadddy to come back?
Maybe Serge's mum used to pray for his return (clutching at straws)
Victor, maybe pierre has been praying about taking back the house invasion?
Also I am quite tickled by the fact that Pierre has no idea who creepy victor is, and victor's revenge. Mwa haha

madhairday Mon 01-Jul-13 09:36:10

I missed the very beginning as it didn't record. Did we see the face of Victor's mother/carer? Could it have been Mme Costa? And so she died then too - would that time frame fit?

The whole dam draining thing....what if it's like in the title sequence, with the upside down scene - so the dam is draining to reveal the original village, and eventually the new village will flood instead, so turning it all upside down? <shivers> And the revenants are in some way part of this happening? <straw clutching much?>

Lena's back - I also wondered if Camille's back had been injured badly in the crash, but not sure how that would link into Jerome beating her.

Also hmm at Victor in hostel in mixed dorm.

It's all quelle strange.

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 10:33:49

Mrs Costa was definitely not Victors carer/mother, they looked quite different. My DH is convinced Victors mother & Julie look alike and thats why he picked Julie as his carer, but I dont see it either.

susiedaisy Mon 01-Jul-13 11:17:48

I also thought victors mother and Julie were very similar

susiedaisy Mon 01-Jul-13 11:24:10

If Pierre committed the burglary 35 years ago in victors house he would have to be at least 55-60years old now wouldn't he?

encyclogirl Mon 01-Jul-13 11:50:27

Oooh the steeple/spire appearing out of the reservoir and the power station starting to flood. What's that about?

Is the emerging village going to fully emerge and the current village about to flood?

I know it’s strange and bizarre but I am loving the pace of it, the colours of it and the spookiness of it.

Not looking good for Lena is it? Although I’m sure she’ll survive, too many unanswered questions about her and Camille for her not too. Oh and yes, how can that underpass not be round the clock monitored considering the amount of murders and attacks that have taken place there?

AvonCallingBarksdale Mon 01-Jul-13 12:09:14

How do Victor and Pierre "know" who each other are IYSWIM?? Victor looked at Pierre in the dorm when Pierre said about singing a song etc, but how would Pierre have known it was the same boy from 35 years ago, as he didn't see Victor then, did he, cos Victor was hiding in the wardrobe? confused Last night properly freaked me out - need to watch it again with DH as he missed it.

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 12:24:57

I no longer think Lena/Camille swapped on that fateful day, I think they are who they are.

Onetwo34 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:33:00

Poor Victor.
And Pierre, he is creepy isn't he?
I don't think Serge will attack Lena, I think finding someone already prone, it won't do it for him, murdery thrill wise, he will probably rescue her instead.

Abra1d Mon 01-Jul-13 12:46:08

But interesting that Lena's face morphed into Camille's as she was lying there in the underpass . . .

aliasjoey Mon 01-Jul-13 13:48:02

What ?! Lena's face morphed into Camille's ? I didn't see that!

avon I don't think Pierre did recognise Victor. Although he very subtley seemed to change from being nice and friendly to a hint of his previous personality - that whole scene was really well done I think.

I bet Pierre is a revenant already - hence not having aged.

SunshineBossaNova Mon 01-Jul-13 14:05:06

I was on the Guardian blog earlier and someone linked to the official Revenants site. It gives very interesting descriptions of the cast (en Francais) and you can tour the town...

susiedaisy Mon 01-Jul-13 14:25:59

Pierre wouldn't of ever seen victors face would he, victor was hidden in wardrobe?

Abra1d Mon 01-Jul-13 14:36:13

alias, I didn't see it either when someone here (I think) mentioned it but I went back and watched the last few minutes again and she definitely looks like Camille, I think.

broccolirocks Mon 01-Jul-13 14:41:11

When Victor was hiding in the dark at Julie's flat from the policewoman he remembered/relived the man saying 'sing a song in your head' and an arm reached out to grab him, wearing a long sleeved leather jacket. Bit later we saw Pierre driving then talking to the roadside police and he was wearing the same type of jacket. Could be a clue, or a popular French style?

alpinemeadow Mon 01-Jul-13 14:53:05

No, Pierre doesn't know who Victor is - but Victor has clocked Pierre because he used precisely the same words as he did that fateful evening. I too will have to go back to watch the end, as I didn't notice Lena morphing into Camille! I agree that Serge won't attack Lena - don't know why, I just know he won't!

Madhairday you have hit on something - Mrs Costa died 35 yrs ago, did she not? And so did Victor and the lovely lady... But I don't think Mrs Costa was the lovely lady.

encyclogirl Mon 01-Jul-13 14:53:42

Wait, are we now disputing that Pierre might not have been the guy in the house when Victor was murdered? I just took that as fact tbh. He said the exact same words as the murderers mate. AND Victor's response showed he recognised him too.

I didn't notice Lena morph into Camille, I'll have to re-watch it.

encyclogirl Mon 01-Jul-13 14:54:43

I don't like Mrs Costa. I can't put my finger on it, but I think she's a bit of a bitch.

aliasjoey Mon 01-Jul-13 14:59:36

Yes, Mrs Costa does seem a bit weird (she never speaks does she?)

I think we are agreed Pierre was probably one of the burglars, or at least Victor thinks he is.

anonacfr Mon 01-Jul-13 15:00:12

Pierre was there. He was the man telling Victor to be quiet. Then his accomplice walks in and shoots Victor through the door.
I like the theory that it could be Thomas and that they are both undead.
However it seems that the returned all returned at the same time.

I wonder if we'll ever find out what triggered their return. If it was a specific event (involving the dam) then I guess it could have happened before- handle Pierre and Thomas?

alpinemeadow Mon 01-Jul-13 15:00:32

encyclo I took it as read that Pierre was the murderer's accomplice, but upthread it was suggested it was a coincidence - which is not completely impossible. Perhaps the sing a song thing is popular parlance in France, so someone else could have said the same thing by chance.

Victor definitely thinks Pierre is the accomplice, though. But presumably Victor will want to find out from Pierre first who was the actual killer - before weaving any of his spells on him as revenge? Of course if Pierre is also a revenant (fabulous idea!) then Victor will have limited power over him anyway.

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 15:11:56

Abra, my husband also said Lena morphed into Camille at the end too, but I scoffed at him ... ooops

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 15:13:06

It's hard to work out what is just plain weird and what is French grin

RiotsNotDiets Mon 01-Jul-13 15:26:59

I think Serge does attack Lena, did you see his expression change at the very end? He looked slightly concerned and was walking to check on her but then his face hardened and he sort of lurched right before it cut to the titles.

Made me think he is some sort of vessel for the murders, as it appeared as if a switch in his head had been flicked IYSWIM?

RiotsNotDiets Mon 01-Jul-13 15:33:08

Just watched it back to see if I could spot Lena/Camille face swap and I just don't see it. I think they just look similar.

RiotsNotDiets Mon 01-Jul-13 15:33:53

Ep 4 on youtube easier to check back over stuff on this link than on ch4 website.

qazxc Mon 01-Jul-13 16:09:55

the sing a song thing isn't a common saying in France, so it is pretty clear that pierre is the first guy.
Victor knows who pierre is but pierre doesn't know who victor is.
I was thinking that maybe victor might think that pierre had shot him, but it is unlikely due to the fact that the other guy was talking to pierre.
Mrs costa does talk, she said "i'm too hungry" to mr costa when she first came back, which i found a bit strange as it was the exact words that camille had used and more of a modern teenage turn of phrase than someone who died over 30 yrs ago.

anonacfr Mon 01-Jul-13 16:55:48

I think they made the Pierre thing such a <gasp> moment that there is no way it can be dismissed as a coincidence.

Yonihadtoask Mon 01-Jul-13 17:41:43

Ooooooooh!

Getting even more exciting now.

Is the priest in on it? He looked v uncomfortable talking to Thomas about people coming back to life/?

Roll on the next episode.

anonacfr Mon 01-Jul-13 17:44:35

Priest and Pierre are about the same age aren't they? Maybe priest is the accomplice???

juneau Mon 01-Jul-13 18:14:15

Last night's episode made all the revenents seem evil, I thought. The first episode or two only Serge seemed evil, Victor was creepy, but I didn't get that feeling about Camille or Simon, and we've barely seen Mrs Costa so far, but last night they all suddenly seemed malevolent to me.

That thing on Lena's back looks necrotic (i.e. dead flesh). That black spider-webby bit all around it is particularly nasty.

It's such a gripping series! After every episode I find myself running through all the questions I have: what's going on with the dam, the town's electricity, why is there no CCTV in that bloody underpass, what is the thing on Lena's back, why have the dead returned, why is the town so eerily empty most of the time - all these modern buildings and plazas devoid of people, what the hell is that 'helping hand' place - I can't understand why such a small and seemingly wealthy town with no visible vagrants has such a large homeless shelter .....???

NoHank Mon 01-Jul-13 18:44:35

Hellooooo.

Loved it last night, I was really gripped by it. I felt so sorry for Victor at the beginning in the wardrobe. I don't think that was his home, mainly because he went to bed wearing his brown cords and red jumper hmm surely if you lived there you'd be putting on your jammies at bedtime.

Well done Smegs on the sex psychic, I'd never have guessed that one.

I do think they are all coming across quite aggressive and a little bit nasty. But then so is half the town! Jerome hitting his daughter, Thomas the perving policeman and Pierre, I knew he was a wrong un!

Pierre certainly knows something about the returned. He said to Camillie in ep 2 I think it was about it happening before. And last night at the dam I'm sure they said something about "last time" when talking about what was happening with the water which makes you wonder if this lot could be the second wave of returnees? Victor has certainly been back at least 4 years since the coach crash so their could easily be others.

I noticed the spire / steeple sticking up out of the water so I'm presuming their is a drowned village under their.

And yes, they all seem to have a bit of yoda mind trickery going on. Victor and madcatlady, Simon and the power going out and Camille at the bar.

I also thought Serge wouldn't hurt Lena although I have no idea why. And I didn't notice the Lena / Camille face morphing but did see the Simon / Thomas one

Mrs Costa is somehow wrong, don't know what it is about her but she gives me bad vibes.

Does anyone know who next week is about???

anonacfr Mon 01-Jul-13 18:56:45

All this morphing and hallucinating... Maybe the returned aren't actually real and it's a collective dream à la Shutter Island.
Serge was evil before he died so is ruled out. The others don't seem malevolent to me- I now want to adopt poor little Victor!
Camille is an annoying brat though.

Mrs Costa is intriguing but a bit too mute so far. I quite like the fact that she seems to be sitting around eating all the time!

RiotsNotDiets Mon 01-Jul-13 18:56:59

Serge I think

NoHank Mon 01-Jul-13 19:22:08

Yes, they are all seem to be starving. Making up for lost time???

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 01-Jul-13 19:26:37

Oooh! was shock last night, especially when Pierre said that to Victor shock shock. Victor's gonna get Pierre now.

And well done Smegs on the sex-medium theory! Superb!

My latest theory concerns Lena's hairy back - she is morphing into werewolf and rips Serge's throat out when he tries to stab her! AND this must surely have something to do with the wolfdog thing at Serge's house - was it their mother??

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 19:55:47

I thoughther back looked like it was bruised or decomposing rather than hairy grin

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 19:56:08

Next week is Serge & Toni.

aliasjoey Mon 01-Jul-13 19:59:21

juneau agreed, it raises so many questions! It's just occurred to me that Toni didn't really seem too surprised to see his brother back from the dead?! (Especially if he was the one who killed him)

BlackAffronted Mon 01-Jul-13 20:00:06

I thought Toni looked verysurprised!

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 01-Jul-13 20:18:45

But what about the dog/wolf? Was it the mother? (sticking with hairy back theory, although not sure where it will lead)

Bumpstarter Mon 01-Jul-13 20:39:08

Help! Ep 4 is not on 4od catch up! Help, what can I do?

ThePskettiIncident Mon 01-Jul-13 20:42:18

You know the title sequence shows all the returned? Can someone tell me who the couple snogging on the grass next to the two graves are? I thought it was Simon and Adele at first, but you see Simon later and no one else is repeated.

Is there a clue there?

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 01-Jul-13 20:44:37

Bumpstarter I think they are on YouTube, there was a link on the previous thread. Be warned though, ALL the episodes are there and some have already watched them all!

Okaaaay.

You guys have pretty much discussed everything that I came up with last night.
I think Pierre 'collects' Revenants hmm.
Serge is NOT attacking Lena.
The wound on her back is necrotic. When she was shouting at Camille to say 'who she was', did she mean to admit that she was Lena?? That they had swapped places on the day of the bus crash? Or just to stop using the persona of cousin Alice confused?
Chloe is just as spooky as Victor. Poor Victor sad.
I think the shooting of all the people in the house was some kind of act of revenge or silencing everybody; not just a break-in gone wrong.

People I demand to get their comeuppance tout de suites:
Thomas - nasty control freak
Serge - for obvious reasons
Pierre - for obvious reasons
Simon - for horrible forcing-himself-on-Adele. Bastard.

This series is inhabiting FAR too much of my brain space...

teejwood Mon 01-Jul-13 23:10:32

OK so I followed Sunshine's link to the Canal+ website when I should have been finishing off something for work. It is SERIOUSLY CREEPY.
Has anyone else done it - gone around the various locations to find reports etc? I need to know whether I found everything there is to read - but I did not read the synopsis in case it gave too much away <disciplined>.
<or maybe not, given the work I still have to finish>
blush

Ooh, I just watched ep4 - I think Pierre definitely is the first burglar, I recognised his eyes thinking they were someone familiar and he sounded like him. He is definitely For It. I initially thought the house Victor was in was Mr Costas house, it looked like the view when the house was burning - but I don't think Victors mother is Mrs Costa, as she was in the helping hands and Victor didn't acknowledge her, although I think she knows he is like her.

Very odd about Chloe drawing her father - she must have overheard, they were directly below her talking about it. How does Adele not realise that Thomas saw them having sex, she knows the cameras are there?

The opening scene with Victor made me well up, also maybe he doesn't talk now as Pierre said 'he's just a kid, he won't talk'. Also the second burglar was older, more heavyset. Maybe a relation of Serge and Toni?

Serge definitely kills Lena - he was lunging in for the kill - but then she revenants and comes back, yukky wound and all.....

perplexedpirate Mon 01-Jul-13 23:43:30

You know when Chloe drew Simon being shot? Did we actually see that the hand holding the gun was Simon's own?
I can't remember.

SunshineBossaNova Tue 02-Jul-13 00:00:08

teejwood I read the character descriptions but haven't done the tour of the town... yet.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 00:07:18

Sunshine - the tour is utterly engrossing - your jaw drops with every new discovery and yet I don't think it's spoilery because you still are left with no bloody idea what's actually going on!
Eg there is an account of Julie's attack that makes you see more than one person in a whole new light shock

SinisterBuggyMonth Tue 02-Jul-13 00:33:07

Poor Victor. I know he is supposed to be creepy but I find him incredibly cute.

NadiaWadia Tue 02-Jul-13 03:08:05

The tour of the town - it is all in French I suppose?

alpinemeadow Tue 02-Jul-13 06:44:20

Now i come to think of it, how did Gunman Pierre know that victor was a child? Could he see his outline through the slats?
We haven't seen much of the couple who are now pregnant - i wonder if they'll play more of a part? (please don't tell me if you know though! Even if it's from the tour, or the c4 website stuff!)
Good point, mrs c can't be victor's mother, they would have recognised each other in the shelter.

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 02-Jul-13 06:56:36

Bumpstarter - DH watched it on 4od last night. Try again maybe - it is there smile

susiedaisy Tue 02-Jul-13 06:58:09

Pierre prob guessed victor was a child because he was in a kids bedroom, also wetting himself is more of a child like thing to do??

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 07:37:57

Nadia the tour is all in French, I'm afraid.

Alpine the tour does not tell you anything about any of the other characters - you see the main characters and you can read their mini bios, but there is not a huge amount of detail. Then at various locations there are documents you can find and read. I found
- a newspaper report
- a psychological report on Julie
- a letter to Lucy
- extracts from Serge's diary shock
And each one freaked me out even more than the last!!

aliasjoey Tue 02-Jul-13 09:42:57

black well Toni looked slightly surpised but not as astonished and bemused as I’d have expected. I mean, if your brother was a serial-killer and you murdered him (eg. with a shovel or spade) dug a grave AND buried him 7 years ago. And then you heard that a girl had been attacked in a similar way, what would you do?

a)Think, oh dear there must be a copycat killer about, they really ought to put CCTV in that underpass

OR

b)Go straight up to your brothers old hut on the off-chance that he had come back from the dead?

eightytwenty Tue 02-Jul-13 09:52:48

Do we know that Toni killed serge? I thought there was some reference to serge dying with his mother?

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 10:01:06

When I started secondary school half of us learnt french and half german. I ended up in the german group and have never been more cross about this than i am now. I want to read the stuff on the website!!!

juneau Tue 02-Jul-13 10:02:09

I don't think we know Toni killed Serge - I certainly don't remember it, if so. Toni was absolutely terrified when Serge reappeared though - he whacked him over the head with a shovel.

So are/were Lena and Camille identical twins? I've been assuming they were.

aliasjoey Tue 02-Jul-13 10:16:07

eighty I thought Toni killed Serge, but can't remember for sure.

unless (I may be overthinking this) Toni is the serial-killer, and he murdered Serge who was on to him...?!

juneau yes Lena and Camille are/were identical twins.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 11:17:16

We have assumed that Toni killed Serge to stop him, but we don't know that for a fact. Next ep is Toni & Serge, isn't it? Guess we may find out then?

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 11:38:06

teej, I am enlisting the aid of google translate. Where do you find these docs?

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 11:48:54

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!! Juicy gossip in that report on the website. Can we discuss the website here or no?

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 11:52:53

grin it's just too tempting Riots!
OK - you need to look around the bus stop, the pub, Toni & Serge's homestead and in the church to find the documents I have mentioned. Not saying exactly where or what is where as looking around is part of the journey! All I will say is go carefully and be ready for a few surprises en route - I nearly jumped out my skin more than once wink Oh, and you might need to mind your head at one point <mysterious>
Bon courage et bonne chance!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 11:53:35

Bus stop one?

aliasjoey Tue 02-Jul-13 11:53:47

No!

I want to see it as it happens!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 12:01:56

We really need one of the bods from the other thread to tell us whether the stuff on the website is spoilery for the episodes to come or whether it is just additional information you would not necessarily get from watching. Should we venture to the dark side with eyes closed in order to pose the question?

anonacfr Tue 02-Jul-13 12:31:51

I'm a double agent... I finished watching the series yesterday. I am also French. grin
Need to do a double school run but I will venture on the website this afternoon and let you know.

anonacfr Tue 02-Jul-13 12:33:00

So far the characters bios are non- spoilery but offer interesting perspectives on some of the people.

Abra1d Tue 02-Jul-13 12:36:04

The newspaper article is interesting for those intrigued by the dam. Will say no more. The newspaper can be found in the chapel. wink

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 12:37:14

sad I ventured to the dark side to ask but did not look - garlic says it's not really advisable to read the website. Gah! So Riots we may be a little ahead of ourselves. But not as ahead as the people on the other thread, obvs.
anon would you mind giving us your views on the issue? Will really kick myself if I have spoilt it but tbh reading all that mostly left me with even more questions <and the certainty that series 2 was always in the works>.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 12:38:40

Abra1d - glad Riots & myself are not the only culprits!

Abra1d Tue 02-Jul-13 12:41:14

We are naughty (mechantes)!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 12:52:15

True - and did you notice the date of the newspaper report?

Abra1d Tue 02-Jul-13 13:07:44

Mais oui, teejwood!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 13:16:21

Given this week's ep - it made me wonder about who Victor was and who were the people he was staying with. And if those people were not his family, what had happened to his family. IYKWIM. But maybe that is overthinking things? confused

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 13:52:02

Thread for the naughty peeps who have peeked at the website. grin

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 13:52:46

blush would help if I actually linked said naughty thread

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 02-Jul-13 13:56:31

Eg there is an account of Julie's attack that makes you see more than one person in a whole new light
Teejwood, I can't find this wails whereabouts on the tour is it?

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 02-Jul-13 13:57:20

Riots, can you help starting to get withdrawal symptoms hmm

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 14:10:21

I haven't seen that yet, I've put the psychological report on the naughty thread, that does mention the attack. Other important info about Julie too!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 14:11:10

Avon look at the bus stop.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 14:28:54

wow - what a revealing episode - been away for the weekend and just watched and now have read thread

so poor little victor got murdered (shot) , as did his family in cold blood 35years ago -and possibly by Pierre shock tho was his friend who shot victor, tho he did say that he would come back for him - wasnt sure if that was a threat as in not to say anything

lenas scar/back seems rather hairy - hope she isnt a werewolf ......

the trucks seemed to be there to pump the water away, the staff have their 'orders' not to tell anyone about the levels of the dam, so that the village isnt scared like last time and the floodings??

as riot said there was what looked like a steeple showing in the middle of the dam so maybe another village is under there - hence all the town/houses looking new

thomas is def a perve, and bet the cameras were there longer then 2 years and weird that he saw his self having sex with adele then simon

chloe didnt seem shocked at seeing her dad

do priests really beleive that jesus rose again and came back from the dead, coz this one didnt seem to beleive much

i was right about lucy being a medium, tho also seems she was a prossie

seems weird to put victor into helping hands and not ss/family to look after him

also seems the returned go there, as simon is, mrs costa was (smoking a fag) and now victor

maybe peirre summoned them all alive again?

very weird that no cameras in the underpath, esp as so many murders/attempts there, lenas scar is bleeding again, wonder why they didnt patch/bandage it up as when she showed her bf in the pub it wasnt covered up, and in the underpath you can see it was bleeding through her jacket, but didnt see her change into Camille

why are all the returned so hungry?

erm. have i forgotten anything?

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 14:32:25

what is the website that you are talking about and newspaper reports

and do i dare go to the naughty thread, as dont want to spoil anything as watching on c4 time scale not internet and seen all iyswim smile

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 14:33:17

hi Blondes <waves>
Avon & Riots - that is the report I meant re info on the attack, they are one and the same.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 14:35:34

Parlez vous francais, Blondes?

The Canal+ website has a microsite with more information which may or may not be spoilery. And it is in French. From now, we're putting any info from that on Riots' norty thread - but the norty thread people have not watched the whole series online. They are a really norty lot!

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 14:42:52

teejwood qui, un petit -j'aime blondes smile

what is the canal/website?

can i wander over to the norty thread and read what has been written but wont ruin it for my ickle self?

eightytwenty Tue 02-Jul-13 14:43:14

Link to naughty thread please. Am obsessed. Though ha trouble watching the canal web site. Maybe cause my French is poor.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 14:46:49

Blondes, garlic says it is spoilery and don't read if you want to remain completely unspoiled. anon says she will let us know later whether she feels it is spoilery so you might want to wait until you hear her thoughts before you click?

The canal+ website is the website of the French TV company who originally commissioned/made the programme

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 02-Jul-13 14:47:30

Merci Beaucoup, Teejwood and Riots Ooh la, la!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 14:48:36

norty thread for eighty - but even if you can't read everything on the Canal+ site I heartily recommend just wandering around <so you can scare yourself> wink

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 14:54:04

found sunshines link here

so worth a wander coz i wont understand anything i hear grin

SunshineBossaNova Tue 02-Jul-13 15:07:20

The site is very spooky...

eightytwenty Tue 02-Jul-13 15:09:21

Thanks for links. I did try - followed some of the arrows - but took ages to load up and then when it did I'm not sure I was able to click on what I should - eg the bus stop looked like there were pictures behind the adverts on the bus stop. I did see one of the characters moving to the other at the bus stop - but am sure I remember this from one of the episodes.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 15:09:46

did you explore all around the forest, Sunshine?
<whistles innocently>

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 15:12:29

I don't think it's that spoilery so far, but I am currently trying to translate the newspaper article, which does seem like it might be!

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 15:12:48

Oh yes - the pictures! That was another thing I noticed. Pictures have been a running theme <I have bored you all with that already> and the posters at the bus-stop are for a photographic exhibition <taps nose>

The action point in that scene is on the bench, eighty - or you can click on the characters for the bios.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 15:13:40

article is what we had been guessing, though... it's the other stuff in there that is ....ohhhhhh.....shock

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 15:14:05

as in the other info within the newspaper article...

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 15:17:22

obv being thick blondes here - im on the site, ive read (kinda worked it out) as have very very very basic french about the characters

but cant find bustops and newsparer articles and arrows - what part are they on?

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 15:23:50

Just follow the arrows to different parts of the town, different houses etc. Bus-stop is in "Abribus Sud", you can get there from the Mediatheque. You can see the sign for Eglise from the Mediatheque too.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 15:23:58

ok, have to click on stuff and turn 360*- im in the church and found the newspaper

'blondes gets excited - tho i cant understand it' pmsl

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 15:24:19

You get to the Mediatheque from the town square, where you start..

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 15:25:37

Anyone want to translate some of the other stuff? I'm v slow!

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 16:15:26

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 16:15:47

DO NOT READ THAT WRONG THREAD!!!!

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 16:17:20

I'm so sorry, I posted on this thread by mistake, I've reported it to MNHQ hopefully it will be removed before anyone reads it. blush

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 16:30:51

been to many places dam, diner, pub, field, forest,church,tunnel, mediacal,back street

found bustop medical report
pub- letter
newspaper church
journal - house

is that it, can only find 4 things

didnt think tour was scary

brave blondes

anonacfr Tue 02-Jul-13 16:37:03

Medical report is non-spoilery as such but v interesting as it reveals more about Julie's attack.

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 16:53:06

Riots sorry am on deadlines with work and should be nowhere near this place but - and anona is far better placed than I to give you a better translation - it's more like
"That's the rumour that has been going around these past few days, but those in charge have yet to comment."

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 16:54:59

Blondes did you <ahem> run into anyone when you were doing the tour?
<And if it's just me it happens to then that's it, I'm packing an OFRS>

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 16:56:08

Riots you are OK, that line does not give away anything...

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 16:56:23

Thanks teej

coffeeinbed Tue 02-Jul-13 17:03:30

Did you notice the butterfly going in the underpass before the hooded man came out?
When the police were watching the CCTV?
Or did I imagine it?

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 17:06:04

Tsk away with you teej go and do your work! grin

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 17:43:21

teej, no i didnt run into anyone and thought i had been in all places, in the end i googled them into english as couldnt rem if had ben there lol

RiotsNotDiets Tue 02-Jul-13 17:52:07

Newspaper article now on norty fred

anonacfr Tue 02-Jul-13 18:24:31

Twice.

NoHank Tue 02-Jul-13 18:33:11

<wishes I spoke even a smattering of French so I could go on the website>

You have probably all already noticed this but it only just occurred to me on Sunday that on the opening title scene, the one with the dam and the mirror image reflected above it, it is the top image where the ripples on the water occur, not the bottom. Which got me speculating wildly about stuff.

So I was thinking what if the returned were actually the alive ones and all the village people (snurk) were dead. The returned somehow survived their deaths...or something.

Then I was thinking maybe they had all been grave robbed and suspended in the dam water which has some sort of rejuvination properties... or somehting

clutches huge bundles of straws to chest and clings on madly

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 02-Jul-13 18:44:35

go into la forest, then la masure and thats where serges house and diary are smile

helpful blondes smile ony coz i want to know what diary says grin

teejwood Tue 02-Jul-13 19:06:44

Right - still trying to catch up with work having spent fecking ages on the Canal+ site last night and then here today (and don't even get me started on the tennis!)

WiseChildren Tue 02-Jul-13 20:22:10

Hi, been lurking and loving this thread as much as the programme smile

I have some theories of my own to add:

1. Lucy was already a returnee. This is the only explanation for her surviving the attack, and hesitating to fight Serge when she had the chance to escape. Also has no family or close friends that we have seen.

2. Lucy (pross psychic) connects the living and dead because she is one of them, and, at the moment of orgasm you are closest to death (err French idea?). The French for orgasm is 'le petit mort' = little death.

3. The repeated trope of horror genre: Exorcist poster in Julie's flat, Julie is watching a horror film when Victor appears, Victor and brother/ friend tell ghost stories on night of his shooting.

4. The double or mirroring: submerged old town/ new town, twins, photos/ reality, relections in mirrors/ windows/ puddles/ the dam.What does this mean though??? What is reality? Are they all dead?

The more I watch the more questions I have!

VenusStarr Tue 02-Jul-13 23:01:38

I have managed to rewatch episode 1 and not sure I'm any clearer, but things I have noticed so far (not had chance to read more than page one yet, so apologies if I'm repeating what someone has already said)

* Simon - why was he so aggressive with Adele when he went to the house? Also, why did he go to his own grave? What made him suspect that he was dead?

* I tried really hard to see the reflection in the patio doors of Camille's family but couldn't quite make it out

* in Julie's episode I'm sure that her mole is on her left cheek but in real life it's on the right, which leads me to think reflections are important in some way? But I haven't re watched Julie's episode yet

* poor victor in episode 4. I always suspected Pierre / helping hands guy of being creepy and weird.

* funny how they came to the conclusion that Miss Paget (neighbour, think that's her name) killed herself, but victor looked a bit knowing so think there's more to that

* well done to whoever thought on the last thread about Lucy being a sexual medium smile !!

Just seen an advert for next week, they start to dig up the graves I think!

I am going to rewatch 2 and 3 to see what else I've missed and still cannot explain smile

LauraPashley Wed 03-Jul-13 00:15:57

So glad to find this thread, I was scared of the spoilers in the last one!

When the 2 men were looking out at the control room thingy at the dam, talking about the power station potentially flooding, they said something about it happening before? Or something about "what happened last time" - do we know what they are referring to?

Really don't think the shooting at victors house was a burglary, it seemed too "calm" for that!

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 03-Jul-13 08:04:06

I think they mean when the town flooded last time 1977 - there's a church steeple in the middle of the damn

The old village is prob under there

LizTerrine Wed 03-Jul-13 08:48:23

WiseChildren, I totally agree that Lucy is a previous revenant. I think she almost wanted to die when Serge stabbed her - or at least accepted it as her fate. I think she may disappear from the hospital under mysterious circumstances quite soon...

LizTerrine Wed 03-Jul-13 08:49:43

Blondes, did you get 1977 from the date of Victor's death? If it was then, I think we can safely assume that Pierre is very deeply embroiled in the flooding of the old village!

LizTerrine Wed 03-Jul-13 08:51:56

Ps, whoever thought the building Victor died in was the same as M. Costa's house - I agree. And I'm sure that in episode 1, Victor appeared in the school photo M. Costa burned. The one in which he also appeared as headmaster...

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 03-Jul-13 09:42:55

Got date from both newspaper whispers on semi naughty thread

But also said was 35years ago when got victor got shot and meant to be set in 2012 so would make 1977

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 03-Jul-13 09:44:26

And LIZ yes I think Pierre has something to do with dam and village flooding - he speaks of it happening before to camille when she returns

He knows that others have returned in the past

Aethelfleda Wed 03-Jul-13 11:13:33

Lurking and loving this series!

Aside from the Homeopathic Dam Theory of Everything, how about the reason for the returns being a certain time of the year/phase of moon when some "alignment" happens permitting things to become returned? And the dam is a centrepoint, maybe built on a stone circle/leyline convergence,maybe the circular wall's central point ?

Did all the "accidents"/deaths occur at the same time of year/moon/day, could the priest and Pierre have carried out some sort of resurrection ritual that supercharged and brought waaay too many people back?

susiedaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 11:24:26

I have no theories whatsoever but am loving this thread, but I do want to say sort that underpass out for goodness sake!! smile

Abra1d Wed 03-Jul-13 15:29:43

Yes, seriously, who would go down there anyway, given its grisly history? Even without the mad Serge it looks dodgy.

toldmywrath Wed 03-Jul-13 15:54:22

And why do they need an underpass there anyway? Not exactly a traffic hot spot.

WiseChildren Wed 03-Jul-13 16:05:43

So, was Victor already a returnee when he was shot? It didn't look like his family?
Also, the shooting seemed more like a killing spree, is Pierre now repentant & set himself up as some saviour/ cult figure for the town?
I'm now wondering if everyone is returned but they don't all realise it yet?

WiseChildren Wed 03-Jul-13 16:11:20

And yes, yes, the underpass. I don't think I can cope watching anyone else walk through there!
So many 'off' things with the town that it makes me wonder if the whole thing is set in the twilight zone smile

angelos02 Wed 03-Jul-13 16:24:53

I'm loving this thread. I think it is one of the best things I've ever seen on TV. I'm a little bit obsessed with it!

flatmouse Thu 04-Jul-13 09:59:13

Gosh. Where to start? Absolutely LOVING this series, and although my French passable, it's not great hence i'm having to properly watch for the subtitles as well as listen.

Some great observations on this thread. I commented last night to DH that Pierre is collecting "les revenues" and i noticed Lena morphing into Camille whilst lying in the underpass. Very good casting of Lena and Camille.

Wondering if Thomas is lying about Simon suicide - we've not actually seen his death yet. But they are connected based on the morphing theories.

I think Serge and his mother died together - from Toni's comment a couple of episodes ago about him "being with her", but that could just have meant that he was dead and she was dead (IYSWIM).

The whole general acceptance from others of "Les Revenues" is very odd.

Looking forward to the next!

angelos02 Thu 04-Jul-13 10:42:50

It seems that the returned can morph into the person responsible for their death?
Simon into Thomas
Camille into Lena
Victor into Serge

Oui? Non?

Janek Thu 04-Jul-13 11:15:48

Nice theory angelos, but i don't think serge could have been responsible for victor's death, and when did camille morph into lena?

flatmouse Thu 04-Jul-13 11:19:15

At the end in the underpass - definitely! When she was looking up at Serge after she'd collapsed.

angelos02 Thu 04-Jul-13 11:29:49

True Janek, Serge would be too young.

Janek Thu 04-Jul-13 13:57:44

No, that was lena morphing into camille! Or am i being too pedantic?

flatmouse Thu 04-Jul-13 13:58:51

Janek yes you are but probably rightly so! smile

eightytwenty Thu 04-Jul-13 14:04:33

Loved the theory angels. I too am obsessed.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 04-Jul-13 14:15:19

i keep rewinding and just cant see lena changing into camille sad

but pierre is def collecting the dead

wintertimeisfun Thu 04-Jul-13 14:28:54

nohank - you have a great creative imagination, i love BOTH of your ideas. can't wait for the next episode

WinkyWinkola Thu 04-Jul-13 14:31:25

On a different note, does anyone's pets react to this programme?

My lab stares at the screen and shifts around a lot when he hears that haunting, high pitched throb type music.

It's probably the pitch that bothers him. But it freaks me in the same way a nervous air hostess worries me on a flight!

RiotsNotDiets Thu 04-Jul-13 14:31:57

I can't see it either Blondes

BlackAffronted Thu 04-Jul-13 14:39:03

Is there 2 threads now for those who have watched it all?

BlackAffronted Thu 04-Jul-13 14:44:51

Just realised that the new thread is about the website. I think it is very spoilery fo rthose who have not watched all 8 eps, even if you dont yet realise it grin - hope that makes sense?

anonacfr Thu 04-Jul-13 15:05:47

I agree. It's a great find after watching the whole thing as it confirms some facts and adds some details to back stories.

By the way if the morphing thing works that would mean that Thomas actually killed Simon- that he was in love with Adele all that time?

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 04-Jul-13 15:06:01

i havent seen all 8 , only 4 up to victor and dont think the website/canal spoils anything

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 04-Jul-13 15:07:01

weird riots, where simon/thomas and victor/serge were obvious - i cant not see lena/camille

anonacfr Thu 04-Jul-13 15:21:07

It doesn't 'spoil' but it confirms some things that are only revealed later on- the newspaper's article for instance and Lucy's letter.
The medical report and Serge's diary are not spoilery I agree.
You could have a look(after all the website was launched before the series even started in France) but I was quite glad I'd seen all 8 episodes before finding the website.

Another thing this series has done- it's made me discover Mogwai! I'm not a huge fan of instrumental music (aside from múm) but Mogwai is gorgeous.

RiotsNotDiets Thu 04-Jul-13 15:34:13

I honestly think that they just look similar. If it was morphing it would need to be really obvious to make sure the viewers realised.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 04-Jul-13 15:57:48

ditto riots, they are twins after all,identical lol

BlackAffronted Thu 04-Jul-13 16:50:04

Im glad I watched all 8 before seeing the website too, I think it gives too much away for those only halfway through.

They have cast Lena & Cammile very well, those actresses are so alike!

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 04-Jul-13 17:08:34

Didn't give anything away to me

Thick blondes here - not blonde for nothing pmsl

BlackAffronted Thu 04-Jul-13 17:31:14

The letter to Lucy is a future plot, so very spoilery I think.

BlackAffronted Thu 04-Jul-13 17:32:32

So is the newspaper article. I would have been very disappointed to have read those before watching all the series. Just warning those who want absolutely no spoilers smile

LizTerrine Thu 04-Jul-13 21:10:00

Thank you black. I very much want no spoilers.

<prim face>

OhTiger Thu 04-Jul-13 21:58:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 04-Jul-13 22:32:40

Tiger - I think if anyone answers that's it spoils it coz then we know half way through that it either has no ending or have to wait iyswim

OhTiger Thu 04-Jul-13 22:35:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BlackAffronted Fri 05-Jul-13 08:03:47

Ill pm you Tiger smile

JazzDalek Sat 06-Jul-13 12:59:38

Marking place as I am loving this series grin

Have just lost an hour to the website and read all of the documents. Not spoilery really, just expectation spoilers. As a spoiler-phobe I don't regret reading them.

Aethelfleda Sat 06-Jul-13 20:55:53

<<<nnnnng, must not read website>>>>>>>

who's the episode title tomorrow, is it Serge?

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 06-Jul-13 22:59:05

Jaz - that what I thought

Hasn't spoiled /given anything away to me

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 06-Jul-13 23:18:59

Serge and Toni

Maybe we will find out how serge and mum died

Assume they died together as think Toni burried them and said the other episode that they died together

Camille was coach. Simon was a car accident (tho Thomas said/hinted it was suicide) maybe serge was as well - tho victor was shot - how was mrs costa killed? Sure was suicide

Maybe her story will be next Sunday?

Aethelfleda Sun 07-Jul-13 17:08:57

Thanks Blondes

<pulls up chair and tries to think nonchalent Fench thoughts>

KPidgeon Sun 07-Jul-13 18:04:56

Have been lurking. Not long now! Trop excited for tonight's episode! Thank you for all your theories. I too have been telling them to my husband as if they are my own clever ideas..

Stila Sun 07-Jul-13 19:12:03

Flippin' heck ..... I'm never going to catch up on the last 2 weeks of your theories . tennis took over !
Will start again after tonight's episode .

NoHank Sun 07-Jul-13 19:25:05

wintertime thank you! Although I'm pretty sure anything I come up with is a load of balogny it's fun to have a guess.

Reflections and mirror images seem to feature heavily but I'm not sure if that's part of the plot and a clue to what's happening or if it's just part of the imagery of the show.

Or maybe after the old town was flooded they built the new one on top of an old Indian burial ground!

Roll on 9pm. Or 9.15.I always watch a bit behind so I can fast forward all the adverts smile

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:00:51

whoop

its time smile

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:01:49

no hank, i watch real time so can pop on here during adverts and recap grin

cant do while on as need to watch/read screen and may miss something

girliefriend Sun 07-Jul-13 21:13:59

At last Victor is talking!!!

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:16:02

bout time eh

so toni def kills serge, but their mum knows both about what serge does and that toni killed him

LizTerrine Sun 07-Jul-13 21:17:28

Simon is soooooo beautiful.

That is all.

MrsDeVere Sun 07-Jul-13 21:17:42

So they KNOW. Victor knows he is all deaded.

MrsDeVere Sun 07-Jul-13 21:18:01

Would a badger float like that?

smokinaces Sun 07-Jul-13 21:18:13

Ooooh more explanations tonight than we've had before :-)

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:18:39

wouldnt the dead animals eventually float to top/rot and just be skeletons?

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:19:18

DITTO MRS D, YOU AND I ARE ALWAYS ON SAME WAVE LENGTH

whoops hit caps in my excitement smile

MrsDeVere Sun 07-Jul-13 21:19:34

Is that Pierre with Lena?

MrsDeVere Sun 07-Jul-13 21:20:07

Ha ha @ excited capitals grin

Toni reminds me of a less funny, less Irish version of Dara O'Briain.

MrsDeVere Sun 07-Jul-13 21:23:20

Yes, he hasn't quite got the same affable charm somehow.

LizTerrine Sun 07-Jul-13 21:29:34

Why was Toni scared at the thought of his mother returning?

AcrylicPlexiglass Sun 07-Jul-13 21:29:44

Not sure his role calls for affable charm!

AcrylicPlexiglass Sun 07-Jul-13 21:30:43

Did Toni kill the mum too?

girliefriend Sun 07-Jul-13 21:32:25

Haha Zombie humor!!

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:33:25

i think toni must have killed their mum, maybe coz she was the only one who knew what toni/serge did?

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:42:07

suicidal animals??????

Spidder Sun 07-Jul-13 21:43:33

What happenef with Mrs Costa? Our telly keeps skipping.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 07-Jul-13 21:48:25

Maybe everyone is dead.....like the dam collapsed again and killed everyone suddenly. So now the people who have just been killed can see those previously killed. But only the ones who have been dead a while know they're dead......they know because the just dead ones have told them.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 21:56:53

go victor!!!!

smokinaces Sun 07-Jul-13 21:57:17

so is Julie dead?? Answers on a postcard......

girliefriend Sun 07-Jul-13 21:59:42

Has it finished?!

Still no clearer to what is going on but liked this weeks episode a lot!! Agree that it is a strong possibility that they are all dead.

smokinaces Sun 07-Jul-13 22:00:07

Oooh extra ten minutes tonight.

Clever victor. Wonder what his real name was. Mrs costa remembers him dying. Wonder why she didn't say.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 22:05:50

simon looked so puzzled when his daughter said he chose to die

that i dont think he killed his self

i think thomas shot simon on his wedding day 10years ago!!!

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 07-Jul-13 22:07:13

omfg - i was right - just seen flashback!!!!

makes thomas even more creepy now, he murdered simon!!!!

and yah for extra 10mins

smokinaces Sun 07-Jul-13 22:09:14

Blondes, im with you. I think someone killed him and made it look like a suicide. Whether it was Thomas I don't know.

I'm really disliking younger twin. She is a real bitch.

smokinaces Sun 07-Jul-13 22:10:09

Hang on, flashback??? How did I miss that??!

Rewind!!!

smokinaces Sun 07-Jul-13 22:12:05

Blondes, what flashback??? I've just rewound and can only see Thomas shooting him now??

AcrylicPlexiglass Sun 07-Jul-13 22:12:17

But do any of them (apart from Victor) remember how they died?

LizTerrine Sun 07-Jul-13 22:12:19

I don't think that was a flashback.

AcrylicPlexiglass Sun 07-Jul-13 22:13:09

That was jealous Thomas now, not a flashback.