Child Genius anyone??

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Allthingspretty Tue 11-Jun-13 21:04:18

should be interesting

Going to start in a few mins when dd is in bed.

citybranch Tue 11-Jun-13 21:08:37

I think Hugo the train spotter is just lovely. His mum is just a teensy bit too negative about him for my liking.

GW297 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:08:41

Very interesting! I knew there would be a thread about this already!

Child genius of the Year competition - WTF hmm

AlmostHadItAll Tue 11-Jun-13 21:09:02

Shocked at the mum who speaks so badly of her son! It's not his fault he's a genius!!!

Willdoitinaminute Tue 11-Jun-13 21:10:17

Joshua's Mum needs to find a hobby.

mummy1973 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:10:39

Yes the way she spoke about Hugo must have made him even more aware of how supposedly "different and hard work" he is.

ouryve Tue 11-Jun-13 21:10:53

Oooh - didn't know it was on. Still have kids' lunches to make. Will have to catch it on +1.

50 hours of chess a week??!!

FiaGrace Tue 11-Jun-13 21:11:56

To be fair to Hugo's Mum, it may just be the way in which hours of footage has been edited

GW297 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:12:12

I've always thought having a very bright child would be as difficult as having a child experiencing challenging behaviour. Very intense!

FiaGrace Tue 11-Jun-13 21:12:51

(incidentally, I'm not saying I agreed with what she said, just that there might be more too it .... clutches at straws!)

RobotElephant Tue 11-Jun-13 21:13:00

I can't believe he plays 50 hours of chess. shock

When does he do anything else?

RobotElephant Tue 11-Jun-13 21:14:09

I think I'd be negative if I had to listen to talk about trains 24/7 wink

meglet Tue 11-Jun-13 21:14:23

blush I've said the same thing to my DC's about working hard for the first 16 years so you can do the fun stuff when you're a grown up.

Sipsmith Tue 11-Jun-13 21:14:26

My son is at school with Hugo!

mummy1973 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:14:40

The father assumes that you can only learn in the first 16 years of your life and then you are doomed???

beanandspud Tue 11-Jun-13 21:14:57

Enjoying this but not sure whether to be amazed at these talented children or somehow a little bit sad that their time seems to be so regimented.

Heavywheezing Tue 11-Jun-13 21:15:12

I like Hugo he reminds me of my son minus the genius. I'd be interested to see him in school

AlmostHadItAll Tue 11-Jun-13 21:15:17

I'm definitely telling my eldest this tomorrow. Waste your first 16 years of life, repent at leisure hahaha!!!

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:15:27

I am watching already feel really sorry for most of the kids!!

Think the chess obsessed mum and chinese dad are putting their issues first and their kids having an enjoyable childhood second sad

Train boy's mother is the most balanced imo.

She's just found a way to cope with a child who repents various challenges.

watfordmummy Tue 11-Jun-13 21:16:20

Hugo is rude! Needs to be told to shut up! Chess child food at chess, but anything else? And Chinese boy, wow major tiger parenringshock

BarnYardCow Tue 11-Jun-13 21:16:57

Let them chill FGS!! The little trainspotter is so enthusiastic about the trains, really sweet.How on earth people find time to enter 200 competitions a year I'll never know smile

Either have a miserable first 16 years and have a nice 60, or have a happy childhood and be depressed for 60.

No inbetween then?

Hugo is a bit rude but I recognise my ASD son in him. Social skills are not his strong point either, and he likes trains and talks endlessly about his topic of interest.

Willdoitinaminute Tue 11-Jun-13 21:18:09

Bit of stealth boasting in disguise -Hugo's mums comment? I agree not nice in front of the child, but a small reference to innapropriate comments he makes may suggest Aspergers. Actually he screams out Aspergers.

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:18:13

Also shock at 50 hours a week of chess - thats flipping ridiculous!!

When does he get time to play with his mates, chill out, climb trees, play something other than chess??!!

watfordmummy Tue 11-Jun-13 21:20:52

Feel proud though that parents have moved here to give their children a better chance. Whereas most in uk take it for granted.

RobotElephant Tue 11-Jun-13 21:21:23

Did anybody else see Hugo and instantly think of Sheldon Cooper grin

Does her mother not vet what she reads?

mummy1973 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:21:40

Not everyone wants their child to be the best...some of us want them to choose their own path with the support team bringing up the rear!

Heavywheezing Tue 11-Jun-13 21:22:04

It's fucking insulting to diagnose aspbergers in a child you've only seen for 5 minutes

And who on earth would ever chose 50 shades of grey, find out it wasn't about that literally and be disappointed?

Hope he isn't gay then.

He's SO like my son.

I can really identify with his parents. Perhaps that's why I think they are so sensible.

RobotElephant Tue 11-Jun-13 21:25:43

God, that was cringeworthy

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:25:56

yes me Robot grin

Starlight i thought that to do girls only play the violin my sister used to play the trumpet

SweetHoneyBeeeeee Tue 11-Jun-13 21:27:29

If he joins an orchestra there will be girls there playing the flute....and he'll possibly get a shag out of one of them when his time comes sad wtaf?

Heavywheezing Tue 11-Jun-13 21:27:57

I like the mum and dad

I'm not convinced that this child genius competition is all that different from those beauty pageants, same pushy parents just pushing their children in different ways.

SweetHoneyBeeeeee Tue 11-Jun-13 21:29:10

Totally agree Akiss

Willdoitinaminute Tue 11-Jun-13 21:29:17

Having Aspergers makes me an expert at insulting people.

Hugo's parents seem quite grounded.
The Hong Kong copper seems so intense.

Totesamazeballs Tue 11-Jun-13 21:30:34

I feel sorry for the siblings!

BarnYardCow Tue 11-Jun-13 21:30:36

An just glad mine have had a normal day at school, fresh air and some healthy food, could not be doing all that when they are so young.

Kithulu Tue 11-Jun-13 21:31:18

WTF making him play badminton (which he is not good at) so he can learn how to loose??!

Notcontent Tue 11-Jun-13 21:31:30

Ha, I knew there would be a thread!!! grin

It's all a bit cringy isn't... Always a bit off putting when kids talk about how clever they are!

Also, so far this seems to prove the point that it's not just natural talent but hours of practice...

ZolaBuddleia Tue 11-Jun-13 21:31:32

I like the mum and dad too, they seem to be trying to get the best for the son outside his area of interest, the others seems to be only pushing their child's 'thing', IYSWIM.

Would love to know what their siblings think of them.

GW297 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:31:44

I like Hugo's mum. She seems very down to earth.

EvaLongoria Tue 11-Jun-13 21:34:12

I'm just thinking about Joshua's brother. If mum speed all that time with Joshua what about the brother. Whereas the other mums are there for the siblings.

Willdoitinaminute Tue 11-Jun-13 21:34:22

Why would you put your child through this?

Chess boy is throwing up because of the pressure his MOTHER is putting on him.

Of course he says he wants to play. He wants to please her.

Poor little lad.

The chess mum is nuts, poor kid! angry

mummy1973 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:35:59

Reading books isn't intellectual?

problem solving isn't innate ffs. It CAN be taught.

Sunnymeg Tue 11-Jun-13 21:39:50

DH joined Mensa about 20 years ago, he went to a couple of events and said they were full of unhappy people who you couldn't hold a conversation with. I am beginning to see why. DS has Aspergers and has IQ in top 0.1% of population, but we won't let him join precisely because it all seems to be so competitive.

At least he's not having a go at him.

Kithulu Tue 11-Jun-13 21:42:14

Lonyin's dad didn't clap him...Fucker!

JellicleCat Tue 11-Jun-13 21:42:50

Is the Chinese boy drinking a fruit shoot?

When i ran competivly (sp) when I was a teenager I hated my parents watching. So understand the lad.

It's for the sugar to combat the stress etc.
His dad's a fitness/exercise freak. I would imagine there is a reason.

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:44:28

Don't like watching this, it just makes me feel really sad for the kids.

To be honest I think its almost a form of abuse to force kids into these sorts of competitions, they should be out having fun and enjoying their childhood ffs angry

Agree re the similarities with the beauty pagent.

Plus3 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:45:00

Poor Joshua

Nul points! Poor thing sad

Those that look like they are the most 'pushed' seem to be doing the worst/coping badly with nerves.

JellicleCat Tue 11-Jun-13 21:45:07

Poor Joshua, 0 points sad

suebfg Tue 11-Jun-13 21:45:30

Poor kids

FannyMcNally Tue 11-Jun-13 21:45:32

Awful programme. Poor Josh just now.

Thinkingof4 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:46:43

Aw did he just say "love me for just being your son" sad

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:46:44

I want to slap the American mother.... poor kid sad

Plus3 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:46:48

I missed the beginning of this. Are these 'just' very clever children or is there more to them?

VikingVagine Tue 11-Jun-13 21:46:57

Poor little chap, I want to give him a big hug and a cup of hot chocolate. sad

Kithulu Tue 11-Jun-13 21:47:03

At 8 Joshua is one of the youngest. Others are in year 7. I feel sad for him too.

Spockster Tue 11-Jun-13 21:47:10

Poor little sod; take him for an ice cream and take him home confused

janey68 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:47:33

One word. Hideous.

MountainMama Tue 11-Jun-13 21:47:33

Breaks my heart.

Willdoitinaminute Tue 11-Jun-13 21:47:35

Not much physical contact going on. Joshua looks like he just needs a hug.

handcream Tue 11-Jun-13 21:47:55

God, where do they get these parents from. They are a complete nightmare and clearly trying to live through their children. One of the boys Hugo looks like my DS without the genius element.

I thought I would like this programme but am actually thinking 'those poor children, with the nightmare parents'

idiot55 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:49:32

so sad, poor kids.

arithmetic skills are dependent on training even with intelligence.

Notcontent Tue 11-Jun-13 21:50:46

Yes, poor Josh.
Like most parents, I get incredible pleasure from seeing my dd do well at something but watching this reminds me than ever that actually, what's most important is who they are.

EvaLongoria Tue 11-Jun-13 21:50:56

Fruit shoots? Really?

expected the 'pushed' kids to do better this time.

I'm actually finding this painful to watch.

We have been told by school and EP that DS2's ability is somewhere between top 0.01 and 0.1 of population.

I don't do any of that stuff those parents do! His primary school provides some support (secondary teachers for maths & science) and at his request, we take him to one maths or science masterclass per term. But the rest of the time he is reading or playing on Minecraft!

Smartiepants79 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:51:43

Is it just me or are they all a little bit 'odd'? Hugo is down right bloody rude.
He would drive. Me. Nuts.

So he's got mercury poisoning then?

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:52:08

This is the reason why some of the cleverest people are also the most emotionally damaged.

Kithulu Tue 11-Jun-13 21:52:44

Ahhh you can't eat that many sardines!!! Too much mercury.

Plus3 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:53:12

Yes - both my DC are Minecraft engineering geniuses! grin

Nerfmother Tue 11-Jun-13 21:53:40

How can that quiz master sleep at night? This is just so awful.

handcream Tue 11-Jun-13 21:53:45

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chickensaladagain Tue 11-Jun-13 21:53:53

I feel sorry for Catherine -what more does the girl have to do for her mum to accept she's clever?

Nerfmother Tue 11-Jun-13 21:54:36

Ironic Matthew in his snowboarding and ski ing top.

That was MEAN editing.

I thought Matthew was the Maths 'expert'?

invicta Tue 11-Jun-13 21:55:11

Standing in front of an audience is daunting enough. Surely it would be fairer to give them written tests.

Kithulu Tue 11-Jun-13 21:55:45

Handcream shock

LastOrdersAtTheBra Tue 11-Jun-13 21:55:57

I was wondering if anyone would comment on the fruitshoot wink. Mad, mad parents, all of them.

Yes. Liking Catherine. Seems lovely.

Blueskiesandbuttercups Tue 11-Jun-13 21:56:11

God this is awful.

If they weren't m/c they'd have ss involved.

The thing is a lot of this stuff an awful lot of kids could do- but normal sane parents wouldn't put them through it.

So sad the way their parents have made these kids utterly obnoxious.

Plus3 Tue 11-Jun-13 21:56:51

That is mean handcream

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:56:53

Yes handcream that is very mean but I thought the same thing

happystory Tue 11-Jun-13 21:57:39

American mother seriously upsetting me.

nohalfmeasures Tue 11-Jun-13 21:57:49

Chicken she had them tested and is clinging to the fact that her son is "brighter" than her daughter.

Nerfmother Tue 11-Jun-13 21:57:56

Oh god give it a rest Joshua's mum. What's the worst that could happen? Your pushy mum forces you into performing monkey status.

invicta Tue 11-Jun-13 21:58:09

Nice to see Josh's mum hugging him, and pleased when he got his point.

Kithulu Tue 11-Jun-13 21:58:23

At least she hugged him.

Was 90 divided by 10 a sympathy question? Seems very different level to the other questions.

YonilyDevotedToYou Tue 11-Jun-13 21:59:15

Agree about Catherine's mum sad but I love Longyin, he's like a little professor!

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 21:59:36

How many times has poor Josh got to throw up before his mum thinks this is not good for my son confused ?

I would never force my dd to do something that made her physically vomit prior to doing it - that is abusive.

kayakaya Tue 11-Jun-13 21:59:45

Go Longyin!!

caramelwaffle Tue 11-Jun-13 22:00:02

What channel was this on? Is there a part 2?

chickensaladagain Tue 11-Jun-13 22:00:04


I think it's more that her son is more like her with an interest in engineering and she doesn't get that being bookish is as academic

I was too busy looking at the poor girl's class iii malocclusion to notice the tasche.

The fruitshoot did it. I told you his dad knew what he was doing.

Yes ThreeBee, if even I knew the answer, the question was far too easy!grin

Notcontent Tue 11-Jun-13 22:01:05

Ahh - handcream, some women have more body hair than average - that does not mean a your girl needs to wax!!!!!!!!

girliefriend Tue 11-Jun-13 22:01:12

Og God is it a series? Thought it was a one off, not sure i can sit through another one!

She's still a child handcream.

handcream Tue 11-Jun-13 22:04:01

Sorry, I have an Indian background and have to keep top lip and eyebrows in check. I always feel desperately sorry for young girls who struggle in this area. Its so easy to fix. I don't have girls but if I did I would definitel try and help out

MrsBucketxx Tue 11-Jun-13 22:05:28

very uncomfortable viewing tbh. the parents seem horridly pushy.

hugo may be a genius, but I wouldn't allow him to speak to me like that if I was his mother. social skills are just as important, as mental ones.

handcream Tue 11-Jun-13 22:08:37

If you child had severe acne would you ignore? I wouldn't. If I had a daughter with a lot of facial hair I would try and help. However with parents like this they probably have other things on their mind

nohalfmeasures Tue 11-Jun-13 22:13:34

Chicken sorry! I only tuned in halfway through

ouryve Tue 11-Jun-13 22:18:29

I've always thought having a very bright child would be as difficult as having a child experiencing challenging behaviour. Very intense!

Try having one with both. DS1 is multiply exceptional. ASD, ADHD, PITA and scarily bright. He is to lego bricks what Hugo is to trains.

Loved Hugo, felt very sorry for Catherine from the way it was edited. Wish I could remember the lads name from Hong Kong, he actually came across as quite a happy lad with a healthy understanding of his Dad.

YY to what ouryve said. In DS2's case it's difficult to separate out the giftedness from the Asperger's/ADHD. All I know is that he is both exceptionally lovely and completely exasperating, often at the same time.

chocoluvva Tue 11-Jun-13 22:29:08

The thing I don't get about the tiger-parenting life's a competition you're doing your children a favour by pushing them when they're children thing, is that only a few can be winners.

I think the mother put up with more than she would have because of the filming.

Moominsarehippos Tue 11-Jun-13 22:32:21

Aw train spotter cute!

Chess kid hmmmmm. I worry about the mum - she is nutso on making him deeper than blue. One may die tying.

I remember studying a paper on 'creating' gifted children and the study was on a man who decided to train his kids as chess masters (which they then became). I think one ended up in the papers after she killed herself. I may be muddling her up with someone else there.

Chess boy seems a little... ungrounded and self-absorbed. Not healthy. Whereas train boy was just so joyful, and his parents seem to be running behind him, marvelling at him, chess-mom seems to be driving the juggernaut. Not sure what the other child does (I fell asleep).

I do wonder what they'll all be doing in 15 years time. I hope they do a follow up programme!

Mega-brains doesn't always mean mega success or even happiness. I know two big brains who ended up in 'homes' as they just couldn't cope in the real world.

Whatever happened to the girl Ruth who trotted off to uni at, what 14 to study maths (why is it never English Lit or History?).

PearlyWhites Tue 11-Jun-13 22:41:44

I liked Hugo's mum she seemed the most normal.
I agree handcream , I have had to get rid of excess hair from a young age and got teased at school.
Poor Joshua his mum needs to live her own life.

Poor Joshua. He doesn't spend enough time playing with other children and having fun. I desperately wanted his mum to say, come on let's go and have a pizza and go to the cinema.

I liked Hugo and his family.

The mum saying "don't worry when if your brother gets through and you don't ... I will still love you" had me shock and then the girl smashed it!

Leo's parents seemed bit indulgent....

handcream Tue 11-Jun-13 22:58:07

I remember Ruth. Her father was obsessed with her and went to Cambridge with her! She married someone much older than herself and I believe completely cut her father out of her life.

Apparently she had lttle in the way of social skills even through I think she became a professor.

A lesson for us all I think.

chocoluvva Tue 11-Jun-13 22:58:46

The girls are doing really well. Yay!

invicta Tue 11-Jun-13 23:04:35

According to wikipedia(!), Ruth worked in America, then emigrated to Israel and works there as a professor. She is married and has four children. I do remember her dad used to go to lectures.

handcream Tue 11-Jun-13 23:09:15

In DS' prep school the tiger parents tend to be Indian or from the Far East. Ocassional American. I think actually the English parents are the mos relaxed whereas the others oftn become completely obssessed.

I just don't want to be that invested. It's hard enough being an average parent let alone one who wants to get their child to play chess every flipping waking hour. Sometimes I want to be loafing on mumsnet away from my DCs.

superfluouscurves Wed 12-Jun-13 00:39:54

I am in shock after watching this ... . Do people really want their dc growing up to see life as a competition sad?

What happened to the meek inheriting the earth? Is there no merit in putting others first any more?

Thought Indian girl was fab btw and the one who seemed to have the most innate intelligence and was the least "pushed". Loved the way she smelt all the books!

Did think Hugo could benefit from being taught a few more manners and a touch of modesty but liked his family's sense of humour.

Joshua's mother should let the poor pawn lad off the hook and go back to her architectural practice.

I shouldn't judge though, it's probably all in the editing... I certainly hope so

Moominsarehippos Wed 12-Jun-13 07:07:06

How exactly did the 50hrs a week chess and 200 tournaments a year work out. Did the child not go to school at all? Did he not sleep? Was mommy dearest hovvering over him all this time (what about the rest of the family?). Where was dad?

As I said, I fell asleep (the over achiever that I am!).

The problem is that if they do these things to the exclusion of 'life' what happens if they just 'go off' chess, or whatever they have been doing? Or really grow to hate it/pushy parent?

Did any of the families have outside support - you know like lottery winners who have a team of advisers working with them so they don't go crazy?

Have pmed you BM smile

Bum, she won't see it here. Wrong thread!

Moominsarehippos Wed 12-Jun-13 07:34:56

Unless she's a genius!


lirael Wed 12-Jun-13 09:00:19

There's another episode next week, looking at the next rounds (and from the clip, different children).

ThereAreEggsInMyViolin Wed 12-Jun-13 10:15:04

Very cringeworthy TV.

Flossiechops Wed 12-Jun-13 12:39:00

Poor poor little Joshua. He mother was truly awful and selfish, when he scored 0 points the only thing he wanted to do was go home but she kept pushing. The only people they are pushing their kids for is their own gratification. Somebody up thread said this is the same as girls in beauty pageants - same pushy parents. I wonder in 10 years from now how these children will integrate into the world of adulthood and work?

Gingersstuff Wed 12-Jun-13 13:31:00

My 13 yo DD and I watched this with shock faces. I really hope the editing made that out to be worse than it was, because I was aghast at most of the pushy parents (especially chess-mum) trying to mould their kids into something they're not for their own glory. Obviously some of them just don't realise that really, you DON'T have to be "The Best" at everything. And as for Hugo....I felt sorry for his family as to me, he came across as incredibly arrogant, condescending and self-important, not good indicators for a happy life at such a young age. I was cringing whenever he was on the screen.
My two kids are not on the genius spectrum but are incredibly bright; I felt that watching this programme, I could have pushed my daughter especially, into this kind of hot-housing, but it's far more important to me that they develop as happy, well-rounded, kind, compassionate human beings who have consideration for others and a good range of social skills. Sadly I didn't see a lot of that in most of the kids in this programme and I think it's a terrible shame.

Moominsarehippos Wed 12-Jun-13 14:22:06

So Josh was the chess-boy and didn't do well at the mensa-jamboree? Hardly suprising since he only ever seemed to play chess. Was his dad in the programme at all? I'd be interested to see how that family dynamic worked.

Are there any conclusions made or is it just a 'point and gawp at the oddities' show?

ZolaBuddleia Wed 12-Jun-13 17:14:36

No conclusions that I could see. Interesting that there was no discussion regarding the social traits of the children. Piano chappie and Catherine seemed like average kids apart from their abilities, whereas to me Hugo, Leonard and book sniffing girl seemed to be in some respects mini adults. I can see how Hugo's mum finds him tiring.

Flossiechops Wed 12-Jun-13 17:31:28

zola that was my exact thoughts. The father from Hong Kong had it so wrong, the first 16 years of a child's life should be hard work then they will have happiness for the next 60 years was his notion. I suspect he meant that if you deprive your child of their childhood and push them to focus on education every second of their lives they are bound to get a well paid job and that of course equals happiness shock. What about the socialization of these kids? Is that not as important as an academic education?

Heavywheezing Wed 12-Jun-13 17:44:05

The mum was right about the 10,000 hrs thing though.

Tiger woods took up golf from his father when he was two or three.

It doesn't matter what you do you have to put the time in.

Perhaps we are not pushy enough as parents in this country, wanting our children to get along with others too much etc.

I don't necessarily agree with the methods of the parents though.

I liked Hugo and his parents.

Moominsarehippos Wed 12-Jun-13 18:04:42

I'd be more interested if it were kids who excelled in a 'skill' that couldn't be hothoused (so much) like creative things to see how these developed.

lirael Wed 12-Jun-13 18:06:12

Funnily enough I thought Longyin was one of the more 'normal' of the children - he wasn't arrogant or rude, was able to tell his father to sit where he couldn't see him for the second round and was quite honest to the camera about what he thought of his father's regime, while at the same time appearing not to be too phased by it.

Yes lirael I thought that too. I thought he had an inner self assurance that Joshua didn't seem to have. I also thought Joshua's sibling got a raw deal.

I think J's father was man who looked at mum in horror as he struggled with the logic questions as she just grinned manically.

The Indian mum had it right when she said you support rather than push.

lljkk Wed 12-Jun-13 18:54:16

10,000 hours is unhealthy, though. it is not good.
Watching some tennis today, it struck me how obsessive top athletes are in order to get where they are (some are very open about it). If you're going to be obsessive anyway, then fair enough. Not a healthy thing to encourage, though.

lirael Wed 12-Jun-13 19:49:41

Out of all of them, Longyin was the one I could imagine DS1 (geeky non-genius) being friends with.

Jinsei Thu 13-Jun-13 08:06:40

I felt so sorry for these poor kids, especially little Joshua. sad

DD is very bright - she was freakishly good at some things as a toddler, and who knows what she would be able to do now if we spent hours coaching her. Thankfully, she has a much more balanced life than this, and while she does thoroughly enjoy various intellectual pursuits, she also loves running round the park with her friends! I just can't understand the motivations of those parents who try to deprive their child of a childhood in aid of preparing them to "win" some kind of imaginary competition that only really exists in the parents' own heads.

thegreylady Thu 13-Jun-13 08:45:55

I used to tutor children from Hong Kong and their regime was as rigid as Longyin's with tutoring daily after school and all day in holidays. They were very wealthy and had moved to UK for education (both dc at selective independent schools). Eventually they went to medical school and I lost touch but I believe they went back to HK.

Theas18 Thu 13-Jun-13 12:17:57

I love longyin! Actually well rounded and insightful, looked like he had the social skills for a happy life as well as everything else his dad was trying to push him into!

Poor Joshua. A list of "my autistic traits" up in the kitchen and shared with the camera is so unfair. And to make him go back for the "sympathy point" ... fortunately I think he doesn't have enough insight into other people to realise that. He must be " home schooled" I guess.

I watch this sort of things as a validation of my so not tiger parenting of my bright kids.Yep they could have probably been grade 8 musicians by early secondary ( music is what we do as a family so easiest to impose the 10000 hours or what ever) but at what expense to them as people?

I could have cried for the little Indian girl- not only uprooted from her country and extended family but sees her books as her only friends.

I'm another one with a very very bright kid who would have done very well in that comp. All along we have said that a sign that we have been good (and fortunate) parents is if she grows up happy. So far she is, with really good friends, there have been times where we've seen what pressure to go as far as she can would do to her, as in the past she has put enormous pressure on herself.

Davros Thu 13-Jun-13 19:05:24

Going back to the gifted girl who became a Professir, Temple Grandin is a Professor. Google her.
Hugo also screams Aspergers to me, sorry if anyone thinks that's unfair. His parents were by far the best featured as they didn't take him too seriously. I think editing accounted for his mum's "frequent" negative comments.
Longyin was nice and had a lot of personality, his dad is nuts, the first 16 years are childhood ffs!
Poor Josh.

lisad123everybodydancenow Fri 14-Jun-13 22:45:54

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Chandon Sun 16-Jun-13 22:14:11

Poor joshua. Being sick with nerves....

My DS was sick with nerves for hs first violin exam, and though I was confident he would have done well, him being o worried and actually throwing up meant I asked if he wanted to pull out. He did.

I am not a tiger mum, clearly!

I think a child's childhood is precious, I also think children actually learn a lot from exploring and having freedom.

Still, if you think that your child could be great at something, anything, if they just put the hours in....maybe we ARE missing a trick here?

chocoluvva Mon 17-Jun-13 10:41:40

I think that tiger-parenting will work for some children - they'll look back and be grateful that they were pushed as they now have so many choices and skills that they enjoy using.
I know a tiger mum who's just the nicest lady ever. Her son is a nice lad.

But it could backfire and result in a young adult who's jaded and/or lacking self-awareness. Or suffering from stress or doesn't know how to relax and enjoy just going with the flow.

Pushing children to do things despite their horrendous nerves; sometimes that will benefit the child - they'll have learnt how to overcome their nerves and will feel a sense of achievement and increased confidence for the next time. Or it might put them off for life. Presumably the parents in this programme know their children better than anyone else and feel that they know where the line is.....

SyBloke Tue 18-Jun-13 11:25:05

Just saw the repeat of this last night - a couple of thoughts..

Josh, the Chess kid - poor little boy!! Doing Chess endlessly doesn't give you knowledge of other subjects, obviously! 90/9 was def a sympathy question to give him a point - all others Qs shown weren't as easy. The maths questions weren't really hard, but it was about time pressure. Felt so sorry for him..

Can't decide whether Hugo was funny/ironic or completely up himself & big-headed. The test of that will be how he interacts with the others. I can't imagine parenting him.. his mother made some unusual comments, whether edited for brevity or not, but of all of them they seemed the most natural and un-pushy.

My money's on the Indian girl to win it. smile

lirael Tue 18-Jun-13 12:08:44

Yes same here.

It's on again tonight!

Think Leo is as much PFB as super clever

msrisotto Tue 18-Jun-13 21:14:42

Little darling Hugo is so rude!

Did he just call his mum slave?

I'd love to see Hugo's teacher!

lirael Tue 18-Jun-13 21:16:09

My God that child Hugo needs to be taught some manners.

Yes he did Gander.

lirael Tue 18-Jun-13 21:17:19

And I'm not sure I could cope with a child who was constantly reciting poetry at me grin

I'm rapidly going off Hugo. His parents seem to let him get away with being so rude.

My DS would be bollocked for speaking to me like that.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 18-Jun-13 21:18:48

Me too!

'I thought you studied English!' Bah!

annh Tue 18-Jun-13 21:18:53

Why is Hugo allowed to be so appallingly rude? Why do his parents not pull him up on it? Surely genius doesn't automatically equal obnoxious? Or have they tried and given up because parenting him is so unremittingly exhausting?

ll31 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:19:08

I think it's quite wrong of those parents to be exposing their children like this-what is the benefit to thechikd? I can't see any benefit.

Wonder how much they're making and if it's worth it. Children are clearly amazing but what help is being on tv to them?

msrisotto Tue 18-Jun-13 21:20:27

What on earth is the point of this test? Memorising playing cards? Pointless!

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:20:54

Can't believe how rude Hugo is

fashionlover76 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:20:59

Being a child genius is no excuse to be bloody rude to parents. Hugh's parents seem to find his rudeness quite endearing and are indulging his bad manners. They are doing him no favours at all...what good is intelligence if a person is totally obnoxious?

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:22:25

Since she was a child???
She is a child!

Lavenderloves Tue 18-Jun-13 21:23:31

Hugo needs a firm hand.

MrsBucketxx Tue 18-Jun-13 21:23:37

I thought hugo was bad last week, but this child has no manners

rosa marie seems sweet, although she us a bit tough on herself.

MrsBucketxx Tue 18-Jun-13 21:24:43

hugo is like sheldon from big bang.

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:24:44

Why is she laughing at him?

Just get him told!

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:25:53

I can't believe how Hugo's parents just shrug and give a wry smile when he is so incredibly rude to them! He is going to struggle terribly socially when he gets older if they don't rein in that obnoxious attitude sharpish.

what good is intelligence if a person is totally obnoxious?

Future politician perhaps

annh Tue 18-Jun-13 21:25:59

What must it be like to be in the same class at Hugo at school? Or be the unfortunate student who sits next to him?!

Sunnymeg Tue 18-Jun-13 21:26:11

Hugo is only interested in learning what he wants to learn. There's a word for that.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 18-Jun-13 21:26:47

At last! Discipline!

Comfyseat Tue 18-Jun-13 21:27:36

It's sad, really.
I have a bright kid who has social issues and that can be draining.
I can't imagine living with Hugo or Leo..
They seem so privileged and so arrogant, but maybe that's part of their issues

Comfyseat Tue 18-Jun-13 21:28:53

My son's consultant suggested we watch Big Bang theory.
She knew it would make us laugh. -))

annh Tue 18-Jun-13 21:29:08

I'm liking Leo's dad, who is exasperated and probably fed-up but who hasn't forgotten he is the adult here!

ll31 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:29:50

I wonder how healthy it is that they're constantly reminded of how special and genius they are.

msrisotto Tue 18-Jun-13 21:29:55

Yes, well done Leo's dad!

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:31:46

Yes shipwrecked I was wondering when one of the parents would tell their little darling to pipe down!

I'm watching about 10 minutes behind everyone forgive any x posts please smile

RalphGnu Tue 18-Jun-13 21:34:46

Oh my word, Leo's joke went down like a cup of cold sick, didn't it?!

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:35:19

Did Leo try to bribe the question master as a joke? Oh dear, that went down like a lead balloon!

Leo is so annoying.
Hugo is annoying too.

I think they might have been told how clever they are a few too many times!

Slightly poor listening skills! Think Leo needs a lesson in the fact that he doesn't know everything...

Oscar is quite cute. He seems not as annoying.

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:36:50

Oscar seems pretty normal

HugAndRoll Tue 18-Jun-13 21:37:11

Was looking for a thread! Hugo is going to get a nasty shock when he's an adult and has to work and gets told what to do. Dh said he will have his own company but get sued a lot grin.

Oscar was just really good at the general knowledge and so calm.

I always wonder what the presumably not as clever siblings make of it all.

BusterKeaton Tue 18-Jun-13 21:37:30

Yo, Oscar!

Hugo needs to be told he might be a genius but he's still a child.
He is incredibly smug.

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:38:45

Oscar was fab and so cool with it!

I'm disappointed that Hugo has done well. Am I awful?

rocketupbum Tue 18-Jun-13 21:40:31

Aren't some of th other kids sweet, saying well done as they sit down? They must be too normal to follow closely!

HugAndRoll Tue 18-Jun-13 21:40:37

Argh!!' He's horrid and awful! The child next to him congratulated him and he just nodded. If he was my child I would have at least attempted to teach him manners.

frogspoon Tue 18-Jun-13 21:40:43

I have to say I do like Hugo and Leo, as they are clearly naturally gifted, unlike some of the others who are bright, but coached.

I think they must be challenging for their parents and teachers though!

Leo really cocked that up!

lirael Tue 18-Jun-13 21:40:52

No, I'm the same!

carlywurly Tue 18-Jun-13 21:41:02

Still hoping, no. grin

Liked the younger sibling just sitting with his ds.
I'm actually really glad I don't have a child genius on my hands.

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:41:08

Yes stillhoping you are a wicked, wicked person grin

MrsBucketxx Tue 18-Jun-13 21:42:06

some of the children's egos are massive, surely thats a lesson not to tell your child how amazing they are every other second.

Lavenderloves Tue 18-Jun-13 21:43:11

The parents all looked drained.

The gifted child sucks it all out of them, you can tell.

MrsBucketxx Tue 18-Jun-13 21:43:50

lets hope Hugos mum isnt a mumsnetter.

OpheliaBumps Tue 18-Jun-13 21:44:36

I feel a tiny bit sorry for Hugo, it appears his parents have indulged his every whim and never tried to discipline him, so he actually doesn't know any better.

He's in for such a shock in adulthood.

Hugo and Leo are walking that fine line between genius and insanity!

Throw Hugo out.

Smartiepants79 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:47:03

These boys are just so odd.
And irritating.
And smug.
And rude.
Do you think they manage to have friends?
Leo is completely exhausting.

To be fair I can't see the point of the cards either Hugo.
But you should still shut up.

Poor rosa Maria.

Why didn't they have an adult supervising?

Although what is Rosa Maria wearing?

FairyArmadillo Tue 18-Jun-13 21:49:32

The most obnoxious and unlikeable child I've ever seen- Hugo! Being a genius does not make bad manners endearing.

annh Tue 18-Jun-13 21:50:11

I kind of hope Hugo's mum is a Mumsnetter because I want to know why they let Hugo behave so badly. Why was there not an invigilator in the room whenthey were memorising the cards?

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:50:11

It is possible to have a 'gifted' child without them being obnoxious

Wonder if anyone told the parents?

Hugo is on the edge. I sense his life could go either way. Massively successful or total road crash.

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:50:59

maybe the card thing is to prove/ disprove the photographic memory theory? I dunno but it does seem a bit pointless.

PointlessPost Tue 18-Jun-13 21:51:37

It isn't the kids fault though. Isn't it up to the parents? confused

frogspoon Tue 18-Jun-13 21:52:07

If Hugo's parents weren't in the room at the time it wasn't really their fault.

There should have been an invigilator, not fair on the other kids (not that I think putting children in a competition like this is fair anyways)

girliefriend Tue 18-Jun-13 21:53:19

oscar very sweet, hugo annoying...

thats is all I am thinking so far!

frogspoon Tue 18-Jun-13 21:53:24

Wow, look at Oscar go!

Hugo and Oscar....poles apart, you go Oscar!

FairyArmadillo Tue 18-Jun-13 21:53:56

I did like the Indian girl who was obsessed with books and how they smelled. She seemed genuinely passionate in her interest, a bit odd but lovely too.

"Wonder if anyone told the parents?" (Hugo's) I reckon if I had a child like that who behaved like that my friends would stop wanting to be with us.

I imagine it must be massively exhausting having such a gifted child. At first you'd be so proud and pleased that your child was so bright and the temptation would be to indulge them.
But I think it'd quickly become extremely wearing. I can't imagine Hugo being interested in usual toddler / preschool / infant / primary school things.

invicta Tue 18-Jun-13 21:54:34

Well done, Oscar!

Loving Oscar.

Smartiepants79 Tue 18-Jun-13 21:54:46

They should have all been allowed to start again.
Badly handled and deeply unfair.
Little oik. He was allowed to jeopardise all those other kids chances in this competition.

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:54:47

Go Oscar

Whoop whoop

Seems more grounded.

lirael Tue 18-Jun-13 21:55:02

Go Oscar!!! Yay!

MrsBucketxx Tue 18-Jun-13 21:56:15

oscar is lovely, lomgyin, seems more normal but overly tutored.

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 21:56:17

Oscar is brill!

chickensaladagain Tue 18-Jun-13 21:56:36

I love Catherine but feel sorry for her

I like the book girl too. She licks the books! Eccentric but sweet.

MrsBucketxx Tue 18-Jun-13 21:57:36

me too her brother gets all the limelight.

HugAndRoll Tue 18-Jun-13 21:57:42

Oscar is amazing! I am in awe. Hugo should have been kicked out.

Yes chicken. Her mum thinks she's thick because her iq I'd only in the top 2% not the top 0.1% like her brother.

She only just made Mensa for goodness sake.

Leo is out!

girliefriend Tue 18-Jun-13 21:59:49

Oh bless I know he is annoying but watching Leos bottom lip wobble has just made we well up!!

Mollydoggerson Tue 18-Jun-13 21:59:51

It is so sad, so much pressure on them. Poor kids.

carlywurly Tue 18-Jun-13 22:00:22

Aw. Nice Leo and his dad moment. grin

FacebookWanker Tue 18-Jun-13 22:00:38

I wanted to hug Leo. He looked so sweet...

AlmostHadItAll Tue 18-Jun-13 22:00:53

Oscar is fabulous! Seems grounded with a lovely family smile

invicta Tue 18-Jun-13 22:00:57

Loving. Leo's dad when he say Leo wants to run Sony or Coca Cola.

girliefriend Tue 18-Jun-13 22:02:45

I am still confused as to why any parent would want to put their baby child through that though. What is the point?

They are only children for such a short amount of time, just let them be kids for goodness sake.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 18-Jun-13 22:05:16

Totally agree with hug!

Oscar is amazing! And Hugo should have been disqualified.

I thought Leo seemed to really learn something out of this

PatFenis Tue 18-Jun-13 22:14:53

I have never been happier to be the mother of distinctly average intelligence children grin

see you all next week folks!

annh Tue 18-Jun-13 22:17:14

I can see why the parents enter their children because many of the children are very competitive and want to "prove" themselves. However, this competition reminded me of Christians being thrown to the lions. Not sure I am going to watch next week, I felt like I was party to something very unppleasant at the end of the episode.

Am amazed they weren't supervised doing the memory test. Just because they're clever doesn't mean they are going to behave.

Poor Rosa.

Taffeta Tue 18-Jun-13 22:20:15

I think Hugo is fab and his parents are awesome. The programme is obv v heavily edited and I am sure the parents were holding off telling him off as the cameras were there.

TBH, I feel him and his family were the most well adjusted of the lot.

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sandyballs Tue 18-Jun-13 22:55:33

I wonder what they are all like socially amongst 'normal' kids their age.

DoctorAnge Tue 18-Jun-13 23:10:21

Hugo should have been Disqualified for that performance in the study room. He was rude, indulged and rather dreadful.
I think it really threw Rosa who was used to studying alone in silence. Poor girl.

invicta Tue 18-Jun-13 23:14:04

It would be nice if they did a follow up programme in years to come to see how they all progress.

ouryve Tue 18-Jun-13 23:16:29

Just watched on 4+1.

Oscar is fabulous. He's just naturally brilliant and a lovely kid with it.

I see a lot of DS1 in Hugo. DS1 has plenty of boundaries, but doesn't like many of them. Hugo needs a few more, but I can't help agreeing with him, a lot of the time. Working memory is the key to intelligence. That doesn't involve memorising a pack of cards, which is incredibly boring and pointless. In computer terms, it simply means you have an effective cache. Glad he got told off for pissing around, though. He should have been taken out of the room.

Catherine is brilliant, too, and I hope that, with every stage of the competition, her mother is eating her words about her son being the really intelligent one.

Shrinidi - naturally brilliant, too. I'm not surprised she aced the card memorising, as she seems to have a visual memory, despite her bookishness.

Longyin and his father seem to work brilliantly as a team. His father does have extreme views about intelligence/childhood/life prospects etc, but he seems to be genuinely motivational, rather than pressuring like that awful chess mom from last week was.

Leo will end up in politics.

Jinsei Tue 18-Jun-13 23:27:52

Oscar and Shrinidhi are the only ones who strike me as being really gifted tbh. They both seem to be naturally bright and relatively normal.

Hugo is bright in some ways, but I don't think he is as clever as he thinks he is. He is also lacking in social and emotional intelligence, so comes across as being very unbalanced.

I liked Leo's dad - he seemed quite normal and not too blinded to his son's strengths and weaknesses. Not so sure about his mum though - I rather suspect she's a bit of a tiger mother.

I felt sad for the kids who were pushed, though I did quite like the way in which Longyin's dad wanted to teach his son how to fail last week - seemed quite a healthy approach given that many bright children won't be used to losing.

So glad that the little chess boy went out last week.

Jinsei Tue 18-Jun-13 23:29:11

Oh, and I loved Oscar talking about his formula t-shirt! Didn't have a clue what he was on about! grin

DoctorAnge Wed 19-Jun-13 00:10:02

Leo's Mum relocated and took him to a prep school in Italy, the only one that suited him hmm he hasn't got on in any of the 3 schools he has been in for, was it, five years now?

I certainly don't see him as a CEO of any large corporation.
At least he had discipline from his Dad though, unlike Hugo who is just hideous.

Jinsei Wed 19-Jun-13 00:19:34

Hmm. I can't help but question the judgement of parents who simply can't find a school in this country to cater for their precious little darlings. He didn't even strike me as being that clever - just very full of himself!

Hopefully he will take something useful away from the experience. And perhaps his mum will too.

Can't help but judge all the parents for putting their kids into a contest like this. Some of them may have done it for the benefit of the children, I suppose, but I can't really see how it helps the kids tbh. I think most of it is about parents living vicariously through their children, and having something to boast about.

ll31 Wed 19-Jun-13 01:37:07

Hugo was fab? No he was disruptive and annoying.

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 08:27:18

Disclaimer: I know none of the kids names...

But I was thinking that the majority just seemed to be bright, very smart but completely run the family because of their 'superiority'. The boys more than girls though! They seem to be eldest/only children - is that because their parents are blown away by their 'little people' and focus so strongly on them?

There's a large gap between a fantastic brain and a bright child hothoused within an inch of their life. The maths boy (that family party was like a maths convention!) is a genuinely smart boy and he seems focussed. His mum's a but smug (but then, she has cause I suppose, although it seems genetics is the main factor here). He seems a nice kid.

I don't understand how the ratjer annoying kid (Leo?) had such a high IQ but did poorly in the tests which are compiled by the High IQ society. So is he smart then, or not so? He will be pushed by his doting parents whatever, and I suspect the poor kid doesn't have many friends (his own age). When a parent talks about changing and changing and changing again schools to 'fit' their child I wonder if its the child and not the school that doesn't 'get it'. This thought has obviously never crossed their mind.

Train boy is like a firework - in his own world and out of control. I quite liked him last week - this week he came across as smug, wilful and controlling. I can't see him having much of a relationship with his little brother when they get older (he is completely in his shadow - I've never heard him utter a word!). His (and some of the other) parents really need to work out some control techniques or this kid will rule the family (even more). I'm sorry he went through, I thought the disruption of the other kids was not on. Who leaves a classroom of kids alone for an hour anyway?! I was sorry for Rosa (the girl in tears?).

Does MENSA not work with parents to help them bring up 'rounded' kids and not little attention-seeking monsters? Not that all the kids were, but some definately were 'challenging'.

Remembering cards? That's hard! I can't remember my shopping list! (Says the woman who had a lengthy discussion with another mum about her son, before realising that this was another child completely - she has a daughter and the boy was another kids brother - doh!).

superfluouscurves Wed 19-Jun-13 09:06:52

Why were so many of them middle class/upper middle class? (But didn't see all of second episode - so may have this wrong.)

Surely true genius occurs irrespective of social status.

Or are the really, really clever dc in state primary schools not identified as such? sad

Makes you think that this is more about pushy parents than raw talent ifyswim

Taffeta Wed 19-Jun-13 09:19:01

Superfluous - of course it is. The programme is as much a critique of parenting methods as it is a celebration of the child.

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 09:22:37

Not sure - it's got to be in there to start with (silk purse, sows ear and all that)!

Some parents are just more focussed on 'intellectual' things - so take their kids to museums, galleries, read lots to them.. And some don't. Not sure if its a 'class' thing or not. I'm not sure if the whole 'working class wordk/education ethic' thing still exists. I did in my parents' day. Even my dotty grandma was always in the library, planning trips and reading about history. My dad was bloody bright and went to a state school (mind you, this was in the 30s.

I was on a bus the other day and the woman next to me started gabbing about her kids - she was planning a family visit so I suggested maybe the museums or Southbank, kids film at the Barbican, British Library (so fairly cheap/free stuff). She said no. She'd never taken her kids to a museum, galleries were 'boring', they didn't like books (and hated school). They were going to go to the local 'eat all you can for £5 buffet, then off to Westfield shopping centre. Not exactly stimuating for the kids, but that's her choice.

superfluouscurves Wed 19-Jun-13 09:38:32

Yes, there were some obviously stand-out bright children, like the lovely Indian girl and the maths prodigy (although maths genius obviously ran in latter's family)

But why did none of the dc appear to come from (for want of a better description) a Peckham housing estate for example?

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised/am being naive...but can't bear the thought of all that potential talent being missed/going to waste

ouryve Wed 19-Jun-13 10:53:20

I'm not particularly surprised that parents are mostly highly educated academic types, themselves. There's both nature and nurture at work, there.

Rosa's family weren't overtly MC. They'd worked hard and their house was detached, but not a character property and not in great repair. I want to be invited round for dinner, though - that food looked absolutely delicious.

DS1 likes shopping. Particularly when there's lego or CDs involved. He's bloody good at maths, but not in Oscar's league, by any stretch, and he's learning how far his money will stretch (or not) and picking up a few (much needed) social skills along the way. We have lots of books, though, and do visit the odd museum.

donnie Wed 19-Jun-13 11:18:30

these kids might be brainy but it will not do them any favours if they are friendless and shunned; Both Leo and Hugo were in my view outrageously rude and completely selfish - constantly referring to 'stupid' people and 'normal' people - WTAF? and this is actively encouraged by their parents. The future for narcissistic egomaniacs is sadly not a bright one.

And really, where is the value in memorising a whole deck of cards?
Some of the children seemed more grounded and ordinary - the ones with nice parents who aren't utter control freaks.

And to the parent who appears on the opening credits stating "my child could speak fully formed sentences at the age of 8 months " - you liar. I just don't believe you!

VonHerrBurton Wed 19-Jun-13 12:35:45

I found it all a bit sinister. Yet I think of all the rediculously pushy, tiger parents at ds's school and how thrilled they would be if their kid was on that circus of a show.

I know Hugo behaved badly. At least the family went skiing and he had interests other than cramming whether forced to by parents, or not. I'm not forgiving his behaviour though - "where's your other sock?" "in your FACE..." little shit.

As someones said, I have never been more grateful for my average child who behaves well, has loads of friends and is involved in lots of other, non academic, stuff.

JakeBullet Wed 19-Jun-13 12:45:46

From what I have seen of Hugo I would be hugely surprised if he is not on the autistic spectrum somewhere, he is just like DS who can be obnoxious and rude if he is wound up or upset. I thought Hugo's social skills were very lacking. He showed no ability to empathise and his social imagination seemed poor.

I pity his parents because life with a child like that is hard.

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 13:00:11

I want to see the video of a baby of 8 months talking!

FWIW my father was brought up in a housing scheme in deepest, darkest Glasgow, excelled at school, went to uni, got a first, loads more professional qualifications and awards. As did all his brothers. He didnt grow up thinking of 'normal' people as lesser beings, or with dreadful manners though!

So it's not a 'class' thing, although I do think the family's attitude to education and learning helps a smart child.

PointlessPost Wed 19-Jun-13 13:14:15

I haven't done the thirteen years medical training to qualify as a psychiatrist but I am pretty sure you can be naughty and very bright but not on the spectrum

Some kids Hugo's age are a bit full on and naughty. He is being filmed and the attention probably isn't helping. He is quite naughty though sad confused

JakeBullet Wed 19-Jun-13 13:17:47

I think you can indeed be naughty,n right and not on the spectrum, however, it's the way Hugo says things which seem totally off the cake which reminds me of DS who IS on the autistic spectrum.

The programme is very heavily edited and perhaps there are hours and hours of footage where he does none of the things we are picking up on here. What I have seen of the edited programme makes me suspect he is on the spectrum though. A little professor with few social skills, probably plays with other children but I doubt he has any true friends.

JakeBullet Wed 19-Jun-13 13:18:36

"Off the cake"....[damn predictive text). I meant "off the scale"

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 13:22:45

I prefer the expression 'off the cake' myself...

annh Wed 19-Jun-13 13:31:47

I wonder if all the focus on Hugo in the programme and (hopefully) the editing to make him look unpleasant is because he actually wins the competition?! Good for the ratings to have a "character" in any series. Anyone remember Nasty Nick from the first Big Brother?

MummyPigsFatTummy Wed 19-Jun-13 13:33:09

I am sure I heard Hugo muttering something about his Mum not being so nice when the cameras are not around. Along those lines anyway. So whilst they (and particularly the Dad I think) came across as completely ineffectual, it may be that they simply chose not to discipline in front of the camers (whether or not that was a good move given how it came across).

PointlessPost Wed 19-Jun-13 13:42:13

I really hope the program is heavily edited sad

It does all come across as a bit strange and exploitive.

I used to love watching the American Spelling Bees where some kids were drilled for hours and hours and hours. There were some very peculiar parents on it.

Yes mummypigs. I was recently observed for someone's course work and I was a different parent to normal. Loads more performance parenting. blush

And when Leo's dad told him off it was awkward but I recognised a very normal parenting outburst.

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 14:26:13

I suppose most kids would come across as irriating and little pains if filmed - not just super-smart ones! I wonder how they will adjust to their teenage years.

Also they must be mindful of the fact their kids will see this and self censor as a result.

Davros Wed 19-Jun-13 14:39:50

I agree with Jakebullet. I haven't done 13 years training either but I have got 17 years first hand experience.

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 14:50:21

I exect come of the behaviour is exaggerated - either by the presence of the cameras, the excitement of the competition or the production bods spying some mildly eccentric behaviour and encouraging them (or giving the kids Sunny D and gummi bears behind their parents backs).

Anyone with kids/experience of kids can see that some of these children do display behaviour that would call for closer attention beyond 'oh X, he's a genius dontcha know'.

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 15:41:33

One thing that did strike me - some of the kids had no conception of 'other' people (or 'stupid', 'not as smart as me'...) As having skills that they don't. So Hugo (train boy?) Who would/could not study if he didn't fancy it would just dismiss anyone who picked up a book, even if they didn't really want to. I imagine he would dismiss a world class chef, athlete or knitter as 'lame' because he has no interest and can't appreciate the fact that his obession with trains and planes is, to most of us, a bit weird and pointless.

Davros Wed 19-Jun-13 15:54:03

.... And typically AS

Moominsarehippos Wed 19-Jun-13 16:05:02

Indeedy. I had a conversation with a relative who is s senior child psychologist. He agreed with my threory that everyone is 'on the spectrum' somewhere, some more than others.

These children are indulged in their eccentricities and behaviour. I do wonder if the parents expect their kids to grow up to split the atom (or whatever the future 'thing' will be) or worry of they will 'be happy'. I suspect some would sacrifice the latter for the former.

Don't you just want to see all these kids don their wellies and find some mud to play in (and not anaylse/write a haiku/study the playing habits of their subjects playmates)?

pussycatwillum Wed 19-Jun-13 17:50:41

I suppose most kids would come across as irriating and little pains if filmed - not just super-smart ones!
Which is why most of us don't let TV cameras into our homes ;)
I was glad to see Hugo's family skiing instead of swatting.

Sunnymeg Wed 19-Jun-13 17:50:51

The 'Theory of Mind' is definitely missing in some of these children and they have no idea about the consequences of their comments and actions on others. I was poignantly reminded of my own DS 11 with Aspergers, who will quite happily correct his teacher if he is wrong. DS came out of school one day when he was about 8 and asked me why he had to spend all day in school 'surrounded by idiots'. He still struggles with less able classmates, but school and Autism support have done lots of social skills work with him and he is now so much better than he was. His IQ level is on a par with those on this series, but though we have our problems, he seems to be a much more rounded individual than those on the show.

Fudgefase Wed 19-Jun-13 18:30:08

Hugo the trainspotter is absolutely obsessed. He could do with learning how to treat people a bit better - though I'm hoping he's just showing off for the cameras. He treats his mum like muck.

Jinsei Wed 19-Jun-13 18:50:01

Surely true genius occurs irrespective of social status.

Or are the really, really clever dc in state primary schools not identified as such?

There are "gifted" kids from all social backgrounds, and I think that the really, really clever dc in state primary schools are identified as such, but perhaps the parents who send their children to state primary schools are just not quite as invested in putting their dc in front of the cameras on a programme like this. wink

RedHelenB Wed 19-Jun-13 19:48:17

I think Hugo's mum was OTT about him not swotting! If that was really the case she wouldn't have take the encycopedia on holiday with them!

Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere, but I wonder what happened to the kids from the original series? They must be well into their teens by now. I can remember the Chinese girl (piano prodigy), the boy who wrote novels with his Oxbridge don mother and Dante Minghella.

We're entering into a nature/nurture territory. Does the cream always rise to the top? I don't think it does. I think fantastically bright children are missed. The answer IMO is you need both the innate talent and a fertile ground.

Oscar's family are incredibly impressive and providing stimulating opportunities. He seemed grounded - not remotely show offy.

Jinsei Wed 19-Jun-13 20:13:48

We're entering into a nature/nurture territory. Does the cream always rise to the top? I don't think it does. I think fantastically bright children are missed. The answer IMO is you need both the innate talent and a fertile ground.

I agree with much of what you have said, but I don't think the absence of children from less affluent backgrounds in competitions like this really tells us anything about how effectively potential is being identified in state schools.

The demographic of the contestants says much more about the warped values of their parents than it does about the abilities of the children concerned.

RedHelenB Wed 19-Jun-13 20:21:03

Squalor - there was a follow up & the piano playing girl was concentrating more on poetry & I think she'd stopped playing the piano (or at least wasn't doing the competitions any loner) Trying to remember what happened to Dante - had a feeling he got into trouble over a weapon unless I'm getting confused with Little Man Tate ( I can't remember a pack of playing cards lol!!)

Yes I think that's true Jinsei.

I'm sure plenty of parents could have gone this route but opted not to.

thegreylady Wed 19-Jun-13 21:00:28

My dh says that the programme reminds him of Toddlers and Tiaras which dgds like.A lot of pushy parents exploiting their children in public.
I disagree...I think.

Jinsei Wed 19-Jun-13 21:07:50

I agree with your DH thegreylady.

MrsRickyMartin Wed 19-Jun-13 21:49:46

Watching this has made realise how bad my brother must have felt when compared to me. I was the one with higher than average intelligence according to my mum. They did an IQ test but I did not know until I was 14 I think.

My brother has always been more artistic. He learned to play musical instruments on his own, is good at drawing, dancing and I can't do any of this. But that was obviously not good enough for my dad.

I was the one who loved books and that's why my father and I were very close.

I was also told by my mother (only after I grew up) that I was (?)hyperactive... so now I also feel bad for my parents, it must have been hard for them.

I have lots of problems with social skills read rudeness. I saw myself as a child when I saw Hugo. What he said to the interviewer: I thought you learned English at school, reminded me of something I said to a Dr when he misspelled a word: I thought you had to study for a long time to become a Dr (where I was born it takes seven years to do medicine, just the undergraduate).

pigletmania Thu 20-Jun-13 07:46:45

Sorry but I find Hugo and Leo very annoying tbh, they do need to be corrected when they get too big for their boots. Hugo should have been disqualified for disrupting the others. I do like Oscar and the Indian girl (not sure of her name) they were very grounded

pussycatwillum Thu 20-Jun-13 08:41:21

I think Hugo's mum was OTT about him not swotting! If that was really the case she wouldn't have take the encycopedia on holiday with them!
Come on, that encyclopaedia was a bit feeble. I think that was done for the cameras.
I keep thinking about Hugo. My DS is nowhere near as intelligent, but he has AS and I know how wearing it is constantly correcting the same behaviour. Whilst I am not diagnosing Hugo, there are similarities. Mind you I would never in a million years have agreed to put DS on television. It's bad enough having to cope with the reactions of friends and neighbours.
My money is on Oscar to win, because they have suddenly featured him a lot more.
I like the Chinese boy.

pigletmania Thu 20-Jun-13 08:53:36

My dd has asd (not as intelligent as Hugo at all) but I would certainly correct her if she is rude

Moominsarehippos Thu 20-Jun-13 08:59:33

I like Longyin (?) and his dad. He seems very ambitious for his son but not as pushy and starstruck as some of the other parents (is it just the two of them?). Funny there isn't any really scary Tiger Moms on there!

I had my IQ tested a few years back and it was not too shoddy. God knows what it would be now! It is (was) all about memory. I did 'mind maps' before they were 'invented' as that's how my memory works. I don't have a photographic memory but could recall what my study notes pages looked like and what the headings were, how many bullet points, key words, etc, especially if colour coded. Just tricks, not real genius (or else I'd be running the counrty by now heh heh heh).

DH half heartedly suggested we get DS 'done' - he is now saying 'no way!'.

VonHerrBurton Thu 20-Jun-13 10:04:28

You like Longyin's dad, moomin? Really? I think he's awful. Passive aggressive and sinister. You can see the poor child is scared of him.

Dh said he could imagine the dad being very angry with him off-camera. Iykwim. I tend to agree.

Moominsarehippos Thu 20-Jun-13 10:41:14

Do you think? I saw him as ambitious, although hauling the kid halfway across the world for an education does seem excessive... I know a few folks from HK/Singapore who have done the same thing and the kids have done really well.

iseenodust Thu 20-Jun-13 10:49:16

Moomin you didn't think chess mum was a scary tiger ?

VonHerrBurton Thu 20-Jun-13 10:53:57

Ugh, chess boy's mum, the American woman, she was awful as well. Making the boy get up on that stand after vomiting in the car with nerves....

Ugh. Just ugh. Horrible people.

lirael Thu 20-Jun-13 11:27:32

I don't think Longyin's dad is that bad - when Longyin talks about him off camera he just says the sort of bantering stuff that a lot of pre-teens say about their parents, but I don't think he seems scared of him. Its not the way I would choose to parent, but L seems a well-adjusted, personable child - I've noticed that he's usually with a group of other children when they film before the competition starts. And he's done badly in some rounds and well in others, but stays calm, which makes me think he's not just out to please his Dad.

pigletmania Thu 20-Jun-13 12:11:54

Joshua mum (chess tiger mum) was certainly pushy and ott.

Moominsarehippos Thu 20-Jun-13 12:49:13

Chess mom was barking. She wasn't focussed beyond chess. I felt sorry for the child. She does realise that one day he will refuse to play chess at all, doesn't she?

Davros Thu 20-Jun-13 13:05:09

What about Rosa Maria and her mum?

I thought chess mum had serious ishooos.

lirael Thu 20-Jun-13 13:23:47

I thought Rosa Maria seemed like a very academic, hard-working,driven child - DS1 has a female friend just like her - pushes herself to limits, perfectionist etc. Thought Mum was a bit PFB about her, but liked the way she comforted her when she was eliminated - I think she seemed genuinely proud of her daughter rather than it being about her own gratification. I think she would have stayed in the comp if it hadn't been for Hugo's antics when they were revising the cards - she was obviously used to studying in her bedroom in a quiet atmosphere. I'd be the same. I really felt for her at that point.

Davros Thu 20-Jun-13 16:24:49

I think a child who does so much work is strange. Where us the spirit if some of these kids? Many if them are so compliant, I expect they'll rebel when they're older.

pussycatwillum Thu 20-Jun-13 17:08:21

I would like to have seen Hugo disciplined for his antics in the room where they were memorising the cards. And why was it up to another child to go and get an adult?
Leo is a lot like my friend's DD who has AS.

Moominsarehippos Thu 20-Jun-13 17:17:37

So you leave a class of ten year olds alone for an hour. Doesn't take a genius to see the flaw in that master plan!

pigletmania Thu 20-Jun-13 17:44:14

Exactly pussy, there should have been an adult evigelator (sp) in the room

waikikamookau Sat 22-Jun-13 10:31:08

I love this programme, I love the kids. what do you expect 10 year olds to behave like with the tv camera attention, and the parents of course, would be not be behaving as normally. in fact Josh, mentioned how his mum would normally tell him off.

indian girl did fantastically well in the playing card memory game but was glossed over by the programme, after focusing heavily on Oscar.

leo and his dad were great and I shall miss watching him. and josh and his cute brother and bemused looking parents.
ok, they came over as precocious but they are just kids and I think it is unfair to be so critical

chocoluvva Sat 22-Jun-13 12:36:37

The criticisms are of the parents waikikamookau

I agree that the children will 'play up' to the cameras but even so - referring to people as 'twerps', 'idiots' 'stupid'; it's not nice. Where have they heard these words I wonder.

I did notice Josh commenting that his mum would normally have told him off for throwing his sock at her, but still.....

Flossiechops Sun 23-Jun-13 19:02:28

waik are you Josh or Leo's mum?? If not then your as bonkers as their parents!

olidusUrsus Mon 24-Jun-13 01:38:41

Well that was the most fucking depressing thing ever. I think a comment which featured very early on from one of the mums summed it up: "he doesn't care if he loses, I care if he loses." Nice.

<<very small voice>> IQ is not a very good indicator of true intelligence, all it represents is symbolic logic and ergo, mathematical skill. The ability to memorise facts and predict sequences does not walk hand in hand with intelligence, to be intelligent is to be well rounded. Lots of kids who are trained like this lack ability in self-awarness, communication, empathy and abstract thought, which are all considered part of the package when it comes to 'intelligence' <<slinks away from that debate quietly>>

did want to strikethrough that but it's a bit long

olidusUrsus Mon 24-Jun-13 01:41:45

Fuck I hope I don't regret posting that grin no one jump on me

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 24-Jun-13 03:14:13

On the contrary, I quite agree with you Oldie.

msrisotto Mon 24-Jun-13 08:41:56

OlidusUrsus, I completely agree with you. For anyone interested in the concept of IQ testing, I highly recommend this book IQ: How Psychology Hijacked Intelligence I might re read it soon actually. Brilliant book.

chocoluvva Mon 24-Jun-13 08:49:53

Oldie - the ability to have satisfying relationships is extremely important. My worry for some of the 'Child Geniuses' is that they will find this difficult - eg, how can Leo be practising making friends when he keeps changing schools? His parents are putting his intellectual development before almost everything else it seems.

Or the little chess-player - so much time spent on chess - when does he play with friends I wonder?

invicta Mon 24-Jun-13 18:25:40

Alot of the children seemed to play their hobbies - chess, bridge etc with people alot older

MortifiedAdams Tue 25-Jun-13 13:02:34

Just catching up.on Mondays episode and I feel sorry for these children. Well, most of them. One of incredibly arrogant and the mannerisms / words he chooses must have been learned from those arpund him.

chocoluvva Tue 25-Jun-13 13:56:51

"twerps" "idiots" "stupid" made me raise my eyebrows. Not nice or clever.

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:11:34

Watching episode 3. I wouldn't have the patience to be Hugo's mum.

Yes, bico, it looks like hard work!

PanicMode Tue 25-Jun-13 21:14:51

I'm feeling very sorry for Hugo's brother - seems to be completely forgotten about.....and how spoilt is Hugo?!

The DCs were just saying that they wouldn't like to be Hugo's brother.

I was just saying to DP, I reckon Hugo's brother will end up being more successful - he'll be a hard worker whereas Hugo seems to rely too much on natural ability. He's actually pretty lazy.

Nice to see Connor on here, doesn't seem to have come from such a privileged background as some of the others

Smartiepants79 Tue 25-Jun-13 21:22:03

Oh, bless. Not allowed on the top bunk for 'health and safety' reasons.
Poor lad.

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:22:20

Despite Longyin's hot housing by his dad he seems like a really lovely boy.

ICantRememberWhatSheSaid Tue 25-Jun-13 21:23:28

Scarey parents.

Poor Connor. sad He's sobbing, give him a break!

VonHerrBurton Tue 25-Jun-13 21:29:06

Why would someone make their child study for 12 hrs a day and watch them sob when they realise they've had zero time to play, socialise, chill out? Weird woman.

Connor needed a hug sad

It's enough to warrant an SS referral.

Talk about living vicariously. At least Higo's patents don't behave like they have something to prove / win.

soggyryvita Tue 25-Jun-13 21:31:16

Oh good grief. I don't understand why Hugo's parents are not checking his rudeness/arrogance. They aren't doing him any favours letting such comments go.

FannyMcNally Tue 25-Jun-13 21:32:02

Yes I like Longyin best.

I wonder if Hugo's family ever go somewhere his brother wants to go? And his mum grinning at his rudeness and inappropriate comments is driving me mad.

Connor's mum is weird. Like everything is a competition. Must get this GCSE before he leaves primary etc. She's doing it for herself even though she says she isn't!

girliefriend Tue 25-Jun-13 21:33:42

watching again despite myself

Poor poor Connor, at least she had the grace to look a bit guilty when he cried...

FannyMcNally Tue 25-Jun-13 21:33:53

Ha ha. Cross posted with everyone!

SoTiredAgain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:33:54

soggy totally agree with. Just made the same comment to DP.

They seem in awe of him. I feel sorry for his little brother actually.

VonHerrBurton Tue 25-Jun-13 21:34:24

Absolutley, Sauce. I agree 100% with you.

chickensaladagain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:36:21

I sooo want Catherine to win

2 fingers up to her mum!

Smartiepants79 Tue 25-Jun-13 21:37:44

Hugo is a smug little git with little or no social skill.
I like Catherine best. Even tho her mother completely undermines her.

Catherine is lovely, she obviously takes after her Dad wink

soggyryvita Tue 25-Jun-13 21:39:03

No what makes him stand out is his utter rudeness and smugness that you let him get away with, which will alienate him from those around him.

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:39:18

I want Catherine or Oscar to win.

SusieSusieSheep Tue 25-Jun-13 21:40:17

Some of these parents just don't seem to love their children at all, they just love their genius. Mainly mother of the "talks to himself on the toilet" boy. Bitch.

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:40:20

Hugo's words seem easy by comparison to some of the others.

chickensaladagain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:40:49

Oh dear

What a shame for Hugo I'm not allowed to be mean about a child am I?

Feel bit heart broken for Catherine.

Awful watching Hugo struggle though he's got some life lessons to learn as well. Pride and fall ...

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:41:57

None of Hugo's family seem happy so I don't believe a word his parents said.

girliefriend Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:00

OMG!! shock

Did i hear that right??!

Not impressed with Hugo's new word shock

SoTiredAgain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:03

Horrible parents. They have a superiority complex.

blueemerald Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:23

That little clip of Hugo's dad was very revealing. Perhaps I now understand where he gets it from.

Well I think we just saw why Hugo is the way he is!

marciaoverstrand Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:45

God Hugo's mum and dad are a pair of knobs.

Lavenderloves Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:51

Oh Hugo, let that be a lesson to you.

Not impressed with his parents attitude either.

shock oh no!

soggyryvita Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:56

Oh right. Listening to Hugo's parent's going on about 'swotty kids' etc. So it's not that they aren't checking him then. They appear to have passed this rudeness on to their poor son. What a horrible attitude by his Father to his son leaving the comp.

SebbysMum Tue 25-Jun-13 21:43:00

Well now we know who Hugo learnt that attitude from!

HorizontalRunningOnly Tue 25-Jun-13 21:43:12

Catherine is such a little sweet heart I hope she wins! Also the little girl who loved words! Hugo - ridiculous attitude and not a fan of the swearing and fuck everyone else attitude from his parents!

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:43:28

Maybe Hugo's parents could work on theirs and their oldest child's manners now they are out of the competition.

Flossiechops Tue 25-Jun-13 21:44:25

Wow, just wow at Hugo and his parents shock

YonilyDevotedToYou Tue 25-Jun-13 21:44:34

Catherine or Longyin to win! (although I have a soft spot for Shrinidi (sp?) as well)

gymboywalton Tue 25-Jun-13 21:44:40

i am shocked at hugo's dad!!!!
what a really horrible attitude!!!

bico Tue 25-Jun-13 21:44:43

Hugo's parents are very sore losers. Why enter him in a competition that requires studying for no matter how 'clever' their darling boy is? confused

FannyMcNally Tue 25-Jun-13 21:45:12

Hugo's family's attitude makes you wonder why they bothered with the competition in the first place. Do they just want him to succeed in life with little effort?

SoTiredAgain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:45:41

What does scrips mean? confused

Lavenderloves Tue 25-Jun-13 21:46:31

That's just it isn't it, he couldn't put in the effort so he lost..

That's how gcse's , A levels, degrees, jobs are Hugo.

Life requires effort you loose.

chickensaladagain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:47:24

They were calling the other kids for being nerds

Erm....trains & planes are so different then obviously!

janey68 Tue 25-Jun-13 21:47:29

None of the parents are coming out of this looking great... But Hugo's really are first class twats.
Seriously misguided too. Being a genius is about far more than a bit of lateral thinking and an overdose of self importance. Hugo may score a high IQ on a couple of very tests which measure narrow forms of ability, but to get anywhere in life he'll need a bloody great dose of social skills

SoTiredAgain Tue 25-Jun-13 21:48:21

I really like Oscar actually. Saw a lot of him last week.