Les Revenants / The Returned

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It's a bit soon for me to have an opinion yet, but it looks interesting enough that I'm recording it to watch later with DH...

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:12:48

Am watching it now, dh was hmm at the thought of sub titles!!
Am getting ds to watch it as he has a French speaking assessment this week!!

cocolepew Sun 09-Jun-13 21:17:06

I'm recording it, we use subtitles on everything so it won't make much difference!

NomDePrune Sun 09-Jun-13 21:17:07

Ooh French adverts too!

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 21:17:28

I'm watching at the minute. I think I'm gripped already. Came across it by chance, is it a series or a one-off?

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:20:08

I'm liking it so far.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 09-Jun-13 21:21:07

Meant to be very good

Love thrillers / chillers

Subtitles a tad annoying means I have to watch rather then reply on mn

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:22:19

Yes I'm struggling to MN and read subtitles.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:24:50

How long has the girl been gone for?

minsmum Sun 09-Jun-13 21:28:53

It seems very good so far

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 21:29:13

I was wondering that Viva - missed the bit that said how long ago the accident was, am guessing it was a while....

Very unsettling but good, wouldn't you call the police though if your supposed to be dead daughter turned up?!

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:30:01

Don't know the time between coach crash & the returning, ds thought it was the next day- this doesn't bode well for his French exam on Wednesday

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:30:59

It's a series isn't it?

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 21:31:29

My brother thought it was 2 years ago - grin at director, his french sounds about as good as mine!!

Jcee Sun 09-Jun-13 21:31:36

I'm liking this so far - agree very unsettling

They haven't said how long ago the accident was

LOVE THIS <scared>

NomDePrune Sun 09-Jun-13 21:32:30

It's a series of 8. C4's answer to bbc4's Saturday eurozone.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:37:40

Spooky kid.

Queen0fFeckingEverything Sun 09-Jun-13 21:38:09

4 years ago, I think the TV guide said.

I am shit at scary things and DP is out so you lot have to hold my hand through any scary bits, ok? blush

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:40:16

Likewise, I'm a bit scared.

abi2790 Sun 09-Jun-13 21:40:35

Loving it so far but not enjoying not being able to mumsnet at the same time!

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:44:05

It's all so understated & ....French!!
WHY did I force ds to do French bloody ebac brainwashing angry

So it has been "years"

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 21:44:08

Who is the little boy confused at that? Unless they have aged since being away?

Spero Sun 09-Jun-13 21:44:15

I think it is four years ago? This is ace.

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 21:44:38

It is very chilling. The little boy is so scary.

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Sun 09-Jun-13 21:44:54

Enjoying it but... how many adverts?

The kid is creepy. Silent creepy kid <shudder>

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:52:38

Oh god.

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 21:52:42

I'm scared

<wibble>

Smartiepants79 Sun 09-Jun-13 21:54:49

Small scary boy? What?
Don't like the stabbing, just slightly freaked out.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:56:09

Why is the old bloke setting his house on fire and who is the woman he's tied up?

NishiNoUsagi Sun 09-Jun-13 21:56:29

That subway/tunnel bit was horrible sad

Creepy kid is adorable! But yes, creepy!

Why is the grandpa-ish man burning everything? And the lady?? Was trying to do work emails and keep up with the subtitles but I think I've lost it somewhere.. confused

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:23

I am really freaked out!!

Who got stabbed? I thought it was the older sister but now not sure, oh God i am not going to be able to sleep tonight now!

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:25

omg ads every 10 mins is ridiculous

Was just thinking how French women in this town are great at walking about at night with no fear of crime....

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:26

The stabbing was awful. Really chilling. Made my stomach turn!

How come the wife didn't notice her husband had aged 40 years?

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:26

Murder was shocking.

Think the old bloke's wife came back from the dead and he couldn't cope so has burned the house with her in it.

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:37

She's his wife, right? But died a long time ago, while she was still young.

Alconleigh Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:50

she's another returner I think. Daughter? Grand daughter?
I should NOT have watched this alone.

No explanation for old guy house burning. No idea who his visitor is. Poor Lena.

MooMinCow Sun 09-Jun-13 21:58:11

This is helpful (well something to do between the frequent ad breaks!)

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 21:58:43

Girlie, she worked in the bar, and Camille's dad was sleeping with her (paying her?)

Alconleigh Sun 09-Jun-13 21:58:54

Ah wife, missed that bit getting my pyjamas on sorry!
stabbing was awful.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 21:59:00

If its been four years I suppose maybe people haven't aged that much. Apart from Camilles older sister, ageing four years as a teen would be more noticeable.

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 21:59:01

I am assuming Viva that is the old mans dead wife who has turned up and freaked him out!

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Sun 09-Jun-13 21:59:06

I think he thought she was some kind of devil maybe?

The girl who was stabbed was the barmaid girlie.

Seems to be lots of short adverts.

AmandinePoulain Sun 09-Jun-13 21:59:18

It must have been a while ago, they'd got a memorial planned.

I think the old man is freaked out - maybe he thinks she's the devil or something? Maybe she's his daughter? Was she the teacher?

My theory about the little boy is maybe he was a miscarriage and he's come back to his mum? He seems to young to have been on that school trip confused

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:59:19

It must be only a few years- enough for people to move house & for the bereaved to plan a memorial but Camille didn't say anything re: people aging??

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 22:00:05

It's seven years according to the ch four website.

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 22:00:52

It's not just people from the bus coming back. The little boy's dress is old fashioned. He could have been dead years.

directoroflegacy Sun 09-Jun-13 22:01:13

Yes I thought the same re: the little boy but he aged and not Camille??

NishiNoUsagi Sun 09-Jun-13 22:05:06

Aaah flashback!! Might help grin

Spero Sun 09-Jun-13 22:05:10

The crash was definitely four years ago as we have just had the flashback 'four years earlier'....

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Sun 09-Jun-13 22:05:36

Ohh they were twins!

LtEveDallas Sun 09-Jun-13 22:06:19

Oh shit, twins!

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 22:06:34

Ooh twins! Makes it even more freaky!

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 22:07:11

TWINS!! Argh

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 22:07:13

Adele's husband was 11 years ago according to his grave.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 22:07:47

So they all died at different times/years ago.

NishiNoUsagi Sun 09-Jun-13 22:07:48

Oh that could get complicated.. I'm sensing a twin twist with that "what if you can't tell us apart" comment <puts on sleuthing hat>

Smartiepants79 Sun 09-Jun-13 22:08:14

Hmm think some of these can not have been on the bus. Weird.
Ah twins!
That stabbing was awful.

Spero Sun 09-Jun-13 22:08:31

Ah! Explains why both girls freaked out as one twin much older. And these are the twins who can sense each other's orgasms! Super freaky.

Surely the concept is freaky enough without all this?

NishiNoUsagi Sun 09-Jun-13 22:08:51

Which might explain why the "big sister" got so freaked out at seeing her..

Spero Sun 09-Jun-13 22:08:57

And there's the little boy!

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Sun 09-Jun-13 22:09:03

Oh this is proper freaky!

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 22:09:13

Oh it was Camille's fault that the bus crashed! This is very good.

LtEveDallas Sun 09-Jun-13 22:09:26

Bloody hell what an ending. This is going to be fab!

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 22:09:52

Yes I wondered if the twins swopped names for the day and then the living one couldn't admit to been Camille all this time.

Marlinspike Sun 09-Jun-13 22:10:58

That was flippin' terrifying! Reminded me a bit of Twin Peaks...

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Sun 09-Jun-13 22:11:22

I'm def taping and skipping the ads next week though!

I'm going to have nightmares over that freaky boy now.

I wonder if they will all be connected in some way?

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 22:12:36

Would explain why she didn't immediately respond to her name on the bus - not just the earphones.

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 22:13:19

Very good but am still thinking what on earth is going on!!

The twins thing is scary but that explains why Camille was freaking out at seeing her sister as much as her sister was!!

By the by I don't like the french houses - they seem really flimsy!! Scenery is stunning though smile

LizTerrine Sun 09-Jun-13 22:13:59

That was brilliant. Haunting.

LillianaVess Sun 09-Jun-13 22:15:00

Does anyone think the creepy boy might be "death" ?

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 22:15:47

Bit weird her 'feeling' her sister having sex though.

BaconAndAvocado Sun 09-Jun-13 22:16:41

Had to post on this thread too!

What a bloody brilliant show, really really clever, and loving the French scenery.

Allez la semaine prochaine!......or summat hmm

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 22:17:27

Oh yeah Lillian <ponders>

Think it is very unlikely though that you would take a random child into your home and not ring the police shock

MooMinCow Sun 09-Jun-13 22:17:36

I. Am. Properly. Freaked. Out shock

It's like Twin Peaks all over again (minus the 'oddness')

chosenone Sun 09-Jun-13 22:17:39

God I felt nervous throughout all that. Great but confusing. What the hell is going on ?

I really enjoyed that - creepy and intriguing!

Me and DH are working on the premise that Lena and Camille swapped identities for the day and that's one of the reasons 'Lena' went off the rails. Living for four years under the identity of your dead twin would be a tad stressful...

Abra1d Sun 09-Jun-13 22:19:50

Creepy boy is dressed in older-fashioned clothes: fifties, perhaps even earlier? I think he was the first to die.

starsandunicorns Sun 09-Jun-13 22:20:28

Have taped this but may watch when dp is here hes not intrested in it but after reading the thread im not watching this alone

Abra1d Sun 09-Jun-13 22:21:22

I don't think Lena and Camille are supposed to have been twins. One of them looked older than the other at the time of the accident, didn't they?

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 22:23:13

I can't wait for the next episode.

The Lena / Camille story is very creepy. Think you are all right about the identity swap thing. "Camille" on her return knew Lena's boyfriend's mobile number, she didn't need to look it up. That would also explain why she was so freaked out on the bus when she realised her boyfriend was having sex with her twin.

AnneEyhtMeyer Sun 09-Jun-13 22:24:31

No, Abra1d, it was the same actress playing both twins at the time of the accident.

Ooh yes, I'm thinking the twins swapped identities too. In thinking the boyfriend shagged his girlfriend's sister unwittingly, her twin on the coach felt it so knew her twin was betraying her which was why she went mental trying to get off the coach. Hence the crash. Now she is back from the dead and wants her revenge on her treacherous living sister who not only shagged her boyfriend, but caused her death.

Mwa ha HA!!!

Love it!

(But don't ask me which twin had which name as that's far too complicated....already forgotten)

guineapiglet Sun 09-Jun-13 22:26:35

Yes watched it alone as well t otally enjoyed it great setting ( i thought the houses were fab!) think they must be the dead returned from all sorts of times and eras not just the crash? Things obviously get more complicated from the spoiler trailer at the end...loved the french adverts to get us in the mood. Very atmospheric...< longs for Sarah Lund>

I meant "I'm thinking" not "In thinking".

girliefriend Sun 09-Jun-13 22:29:26

Am a bit scared to go to bed now...........

<wibble>

adeucalione Sun 09-Jun-13 22:29:35

Unlucky for Lucy that one of the returners was a murderer.

But yes, loved it and didn't even mind the subtitles.

zukiecat Sun 09-Jun-13 22:31:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

It's definitely a "dead people getting their revenge on the living" type of premise.

I'm wondering if the creepy boy was actually an abortion (or at least a miscarriage as a result of something like drug-taking)????? Or: What is her job? Could she have caused his death as part of that a few years earlier?

Is the subway killer dead too?

zukiecat Sun 09-Jun-13 22:32:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

The little boy is a murder victim.

Tapir: thanks - Missed the start so didn't realise it had already said what had happened to him. So somehow she is connected to his murder?

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 09-Jun-13 22:47:25

Mon dieu
Tres enjoyable.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 09-Jun-13 22:47:40

<je lurke pour la semaine prochaine>

Curly

I missed the start too but cheated and looked at wiki

WrenNatsworthy Sun 09-Jun-13 22:54:30

I am sitting on my mains trying not to wiki it. That was incroyable!

Well, tres bon anyway.

zukiecat Sun 09-Jun-13 22:55:34

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Article on Guardian website just now said she is a nurse - maybe she failed him in some way in the course of her work as a nurse? Or maybe it's nothing to do with that?

Ooohhhh!!!

Must.....not.......google.

<sits on hands>

I'd missed too much at the start to be able to figure out what was going on; I've only looked at the first episode though. restrains self

VivaLeBeaver Sun 09-Jun-13 23:17:12

In the comments on The Guardian website it says that the photos the old bloke set fire to......they were photos of all the dead/returned people.

Sunnywithshowers Sun 09-Jun-13 23:22:27

I can't wait for next week.

lilibet Sun 09-Jun-13 23:39:16

Oh wow, that pilot episode was amazing. We taped it so the adverts weren't too annoying but I was really hoping that it would be a double episode.

This can take over after The Fall finishes tomorrow for my weekly freak out.

Loved this!! Can't wait for next week.

NishiNoUsagi Sun 09-Jun-13 23:47:52

I can see it being on of those that you have to go back and watch again when the season finishes, to pick up on all the hints (like the old man burning the returneds' photos.)

I thought the little boy ended up at the nurses apartment as that's where the crying woman (who the curly haired man was trying to find) used to live. He looked the right age to be her (curly sad woman's) son.. Have I made that up?? I might have just imagined that bit!

NishiNoUsagi Sun 09-Jun-13 23:51:10

Right, I'll try that again now I've got the cheat sheet for the character's names!

I wondered if creepy boy Victor could be something to do with Simon and Adele?

Is anyone else having to sit on their hands not to google spoilers?! I hate that there is a Wikipedia page on it- I could weaken and find out at any time!!! Gah!!!

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 08:48:14

Is the guy who stabbed Lucy some kind of Angel of Death - could she possibly be one of les revenants and he is killing them once more?

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 08:49:33

Also, Adele's daughter is old enough to be Simon's rather than her new partner's.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 08:52:04

Yes, I think Simon died while Adele was pregnant.

Queen0fFeckingEverything Mon 10-Jun-13 08:54:39

Nah, surely the girl that came down the stairs when Adele was howling at the door was older than 4?

Queen0fFeckingEverything Mon 10-Jun-13 08:56:21

Oh but hang on, they didn't all die in the same coach crash though?

<lost>

spiderlight Mon 10-Jun-13 09:00:50

I was hoping there'd be a thread on this - wasn't it fab? Very creepy.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 09:07:21

Yes, they've all died at different times. So Simon died I think 11 years ago.

Queen0fFeckingEverything Mon 10-Jun-13 09:11:15

Oh right, that threw me a bit, I though from reading an article about the series in the Guardian last week that they'd all died in the same accident so was getting a bit confused by it all.

I'm with it now as much as I'm ever 'with' anything that has a plot thicker than Balamory

Badgerwife Mon 10-Jun-13 09:14:07

We taped this and will probably be watching tonight, I can't wait, I love a scary creepy ghost story. DH is very excited as he heard about it on his music forum a couple of months back and didn't know it was going to come to C4. He loves subtitled French shows (thankfully only the decent ones get shown in this country!), always watches Spiral, which I find too depressing.

Spero Mon 10-Jun-13 09:42:29

Yes, v confusing in that everything I read before watching said it was just the people in the coach crash coming back - but the curly headed one saw his gravestone saying he had died in 2002 plus the little boy wasnt even on the coach but ghostily hanging about on the road, thus contributing to the crash.

Plus the old man who tied up his returned daughter (?) then killed himself (?) presumably has some very dodgy secret.

So v confused now.

The problem is that I rarely just watch TV anymore, usually doing something else at the same time but no way is my French good enough to understand without subtitles so I probably missed most of it, hence major confusion.

Sunnywithshowers Mon 10-Jun-13 09:56:15

I thought the old man's returnee was a wife who died years ago.

Did anyone else notice that the firemen said they'd found no bodies at the burned-out building? <shivers>

gazzalw Mon 10-Jun-13 09:58:38

I fell asleep watching it so will have catch-up.....brilliant though from what I saw of it

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 10-Jun-13 10:40:53

I think I'm going to have make notes so I keep up with the plot!

Definitely think the old man's returnee was his long-dead wife. She looked about half his age. Yes, Sunny, I noticed that about no bodies too. I was shock.

I read something about there being murders seven years ago and then nothing, but they start up again now, so I guess the murderer in the underpass was a returnee.

I did wonder if Victor was an abortion, but I think that's unlikely as he would then be the only one who had aged.

It really is a great idea for a programme. I love it!

Spero Mon 10-Jun-13 10:54:26

I think I have got very confused by starting off on assumption that all the returnees were killed in the crash. That makes much more sense re old man if that was his WIFE returning, not daughter.

The only way I got through the Bridge was making myself watch it on ipad in bed with no other distractions so can see will have to try same strategy for this.

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 11:13:05

Watched this last night, on my own and in the dark! <wibble>
Found the ads really broke the tension more than once, which is a shame as it would have been so much more effective in a straight run.
Still, thank you C4 for bringing this to our screens and brilliant to see so many familiar NNs on the thread grin

Agree that the people all died at different times and in different ways and that the tunnel murderer is a returnee, too.

Was the barmaid a pros, though? There seemed to be a line that she was sorry it hadn't worked this time, when speaking with Camille's dad, so I got the impression maybe she was a medium or something? If that's the case, maybe that is why the returned tunnel killer went after her - that she would be able to spot them and figure out what was going on?

notahappycamper Mon 10-Jun-13 11:14:38

Why did the firemen not find a body in the old man's house?
Who is the little boy?
Is the stabber one of the returned?

I love when there are so many questions to be answered.

I agree with someone up post who said this will take over from The Fall for me!

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 11:24:25

Oh - and re the nurse and Victor. She seems too nice to be involved in a murder. Neither of them (she and Victor) seemed to recognise the other. The returnees all turn up looking as they did when they died, so Victor had to be that age when he died and isn't the ghost of a miscarriage/abortion. So it looks like maybe there is not a link between these two.

What if the boy did die a long time ago and his family either moved away or were killed at the same time. Perhaps he has no-one to return to? So if you were a child with no-one to look out for you, would you maybe seek out a calm, caring person who you think might look after you and protect you? That is what I think has happened here.

As for Mr Costa - do we think he somehow has been calling up the dead for a while? It was weird that the butterfly broke out of its case in his home and also he had pictures of at least some of the returnees.
Where that does not tie in though - obviously Victor had returned before, as he was in the road during the coach crash - so maybe Mr Costa had been trying to call up his wife for a while and at that point 4 years ago he managed to call up Victor instead; but Victor had nowhere to go, so it all went quiet again until now? Then Costa is horrified by the reality of what he has done, tries to destroy the evidence/his resurrected wife and then tops himself.

And probably most of that speculation is utter merde - roll on next Sunday!

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 11:27:46

camper maybe you can't find a body of a returnee as they are already dead - hard to have two corpses?! Or Victor seemed able to slip through doors etc - maybe the returnees can dematerialise or something and the wife was able to get away. Maybe she stayed in place long enough to completely guilt-trip Costa into taking his own life, particularly if he was responsible for her death the first time around?

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 11:46:25

Ooh, Teej, interesting - a medium rather than a prostitute, then. Interesting!

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 12:05:30

Well, Liz, I know it's French, but the daughter seemed very relaxed about her dad seeing a prostitute for the third time in the space of that week, or whatever it was. And the bar owner seemed to be very relaxed about his barmaid stepping away to earn extra cash on the premises when she was supposed to be working her shift. She didn't hand the bar owner cash, I don't think, so it wasn't a pimp type arrangement. So I just got the vibe that she was actually a medium and the daughter was resigned about her dad constantly trying to contact her (as we now know) dead twin...

Also - if that is correct, maybe she couldn't "reach" Camille because Camille was returning at the time!

Sunnywithshowers Mon 10-Jun-13 12:17:13

Oooh a medium, that makes sense.

Perhaps he couldn't reach Camille because, as others have said, Lena was the one who died in the crash?

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 10-Jun-13 12:27:05

I missed the bit in the pub with the 3rd time this week

the little boy is VERY creepy

Chubfuddler Mon 10-Jun-13 12:32:54

On a scale of 0 to The Shining how scary is this?

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 12:37:07

Good point Sunny - did the girls swap places so Camille could be with the boy and it was actually Lena who died? The line about telling them apart could indicate that. But then if Lucy and the dad felt they have been successful in "reaching" Camille on other occasions does that mean it was actually Camille on the bus? confused

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 10-Jun-13 12:38:18

totally missed the prostitute/clairvoyant thing... and YYY re the revenant butterfly, completely failed to spot what was going on there.

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 12:39:58

Chub it depends what scares you. The undead don't look undead iykwim, so it's a bit more psychological. A bit like Sixth Sense in that respect.

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 12:46:09

I know it's French, but... grin teej

Chubfuddler Mon 10-Jun-13 12:51:45

I will give it a go on 4OD. I am generally fine with blood and gore but dead children upset me.

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 13:11:58

Chub, you will find it v scary I think!

Spero Mon 10-Jun-13 13:12:43

'I know its French but....' hahahahahaah!

On scale of 0-Shining I would say it is around Shaun of the Dead but it is very good at making you think SOMETHING really creepy is about to happen.

BaconAndAvocado Mon 10-Jun-13 13:23:26

Loving all these theories, can't wait to tell DH!

The one about the bargirl being a medium is brilliant!

BaconAndAvocado Mon 10-Jun-13 13:29:40

spero, you're right about the less is more approach to scary telly.

Apart from the creepy small boy it isn't all that explicitly scary IMO but overall is incredibly chilling and shocking.

Want next Sunday to come round extra vite!

Spero Mon 10-Jun-13 13:42:26

Its really underscoring just how CREEPY little children can be. All the poor little boy has done has just sat in silence but it is quite terrifying.

Do you think he has some strange power? The woman was going to speak to the police but hung up after he gave her a stare with his big eyes.

greenhill Mon 10-Jun-13 13:44:08

Haunting, wasn't it? <groan, bad pun>

Mr Costa is possibly going to be the key to this. As others up thread have said he had photos/ a shrine on his wall to the dead. All of them by accident, murder or suicide (?) and the butterfly returned to life in his house.

IMO the reason Adele wouldn't answer the door was because she had (understandably) had MH problems caused by her fiance's death on her wedding day, when pregnant. Didn't she say something about it happening again to her DH?

I wondered if Camille / Lena had swapped places on that day too. Hence Lena drinking so much at the bar and sneaking home, which was obviously a regular occurrence. She felt she should have died too, on that fateful day.

Victor is very sinister.

The underpass scene was horrific.

5Foot5 Mon 10-Jun-13 13:45:26

Was the barmaid a pros, though? There seemed to be a line that she was sorry it hadn't worked this time, when speaking with Camille's dad, so I got the impression maybe she was a medium or something?

DH though she was a mediu too. DD and I had both assumed prostitute but I think medium sounds more likely.

Chubfuddler Mon 10-Jun-13 14:06:20

See the creepy little children thing could freak me out. My children sometimes appear silently looming over me in the middle of the night. Scares the bejeezoos out of me.

Spero Mon 10-Jun-13 14:07:31

Ah. May not be the best for you then.

This creepy child can apparently move through glass doors and doesn't want anyone calling the police. This is not boding well.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 14:24:12

I think she's a medium who has to sleep with someone in order to make the connection. So a medium who has to have sex with clients.

aliasjoey Mon 10-Jun-13 14:25:33

missed the first 10 minutes, and it sounds like we missed some important bits?!

the barmaid (the one who got stabbed) and Camille's dad - what happened?

and was there something at the beginning to say the wee boy was a murder victim?

Also - what made Simon go to the cemetry - I thought they didn't realise they were dead?

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 14:25:42

Ooh, it's on DVD already. Tempted.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 14:28:47

Ah, no subtitles. Less tempted. grin

RiotsNotDiets Mon 10-Jun-13 14:32:53

I think the twin swap thing is a red herring. I think camille is camille and lena is lena.

1. Because Camille was not happy about Lena staying off, so why would she carry on with the name swap? They didn't seem to be in cahoots at all.

2. I think Camille was upset that Lena was shagging that boy, because as Lena said, Camille was in love with him and it wasn't fair for them to be shagging.

Loved it, feeling very spoilt for creepy thrillers between this, The Fall, and Luther coming back next month!

I couldn't work out what the relationship was between Camille's mum and the 'doctor' who didn't appear to be a doctor at all. He had the presence of a church leader-type of figure and seemed remarkably non-plussed about a dead child reappearring. Did he also lose a child? If so wouldn't his first reaction have been to run home and check? If not, why was he at the meeting?

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 14:43:57

I haven't watched The Fall at all. Would I like it? When's it on?

It's the last one tonight Viva but I imagine they're on iplayer.
It's very good and very sinister, I'm a big fan.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 14:55:55

Thanks, ill have a look on iTunes. Looks like the DVD is out soon as well so I might get it.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 10-Jun-13 14:59:02

viva, the fall is really silly, but loads of people like it. lots of violence against women, a handsome sociopathic killer etc... don't watch it if you require characters to behave in any recognisably human fashion.

rufussmum Mon 10-Jun-13 15:23:56

Twin getting shagged by boy was pretending to be the other one. I think.
No body in Mr Costa's house as returnee wife can't die twice?
Am sure girl in bar was a medium/clairvoyant - hence being murder victim.
I think architecture, underpass, deserted streets etc all to add unworldly atmosphere.
Why otherwise would woman nurse/doc visit patient at night by bus? No one has a car.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 10-Jun-13 16:01:20

Aitch - do you really think the fall is that bad?
Did you like broadchurch?

alpinemeadow Mon 10-Jun-13 16:17:29

Can a butterfly's wings really break through glass though? Or are we in land of metaphor? Just rewatched the first few minutes - some strange things...including animals swimming underwater, which I don't see the significance of just yet. And by a pond, do we see reflections of two children, but no actual children, while the girl throws a ball against the wall?
Very spooky - and I do like it!

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 16:19:42

I never watched Broadchurch either.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 10-Jun-13 16:25:59

yes i do olivia AND I ONLY WATCHED IT COS YOU TOLD ME TO. grin [five hours of my life i'll never get back] I really think it's just stylish rubbish and am so shocked that so many people like it.

yyy, loved B'church, until the last ep when it turned out to be a cuddly paedophile.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 10-Jun-13 16:54:49

i presumed the mountain goats were suspended in the water having been knocked there by the falling bus?

alpine In a show about people coming back from the dead, it's funny that the thing you're concerned about is whether 'a butterfly's wings really break through glass though?'

grin

notahappycamper Mon 10-Jun-13 17:21:00

Just had a thought about the animals in the water - obviously dead. Are they coming alive again and making the water level at the dam fall? Although it would have to be a lot of animals

This program has been on my mind today! In a good way. Cant wait til Sunday now

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 10-Jun-13 18:10:46

Aitch: blushLOL at 5 hours of my life you're not getting back - I am sure you have watched shiter things than that - and you didn't gave to watch it all wink

Agree re broadchurch Like scottish Tennant (he is a sleb version of my DH)
Love Gillian Anderson in The fall though
Apols <hijack over>

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 18:15:33

Bloody hell Viva, if your theory about the barmaid is right I take it all back, that is a VERY French approach to being a medium!! I saw a table with chairs around it and a red candle in the centre and thought it was a case of sit down, hold hands and chant "Est-ce-qu'il y a quelqu'un?!" in a dramatic fashion! But your explanation would make sense of why the dad was doing up his belt.... I thought perhaps he had just loosened it while he was sitting down... <innocent>

Can't quite get my head around the animals in the water and the falling water level either, happycamper. But the dam must have a fairly major role in the whole thing. Maybe it was built on the top of a site where terrible murders had previously taken place? Maybe Victor's murder?

Am watching the Fall on catch-up but doubt I'll get through the other episodes in time for the finale, so have been avoiding the thread like mad. From what I have seen so far it is very stylised (eg the mirroring of the victim and GA in ep 1/2), but diverting enough. The old what you know/who you know and nutter paramilitaries strike about the right note fwiw!

alpinemeadow Mon 10-Jun-13 18:16:20

notahappycamper, you are brilliant - about the lake level falling! I hadn't got as far as wondering about the significance of that...

Actually you are all brilliant, it hadn't occurred to me about the twin swapping thing either. Lulubellarama, true! but it is a different sort of total lack of realism that I am concerned with there (assuming that the wings can't break through, that is - maybe they can, and that is the most realistic part of the series!)

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 18:17:27

Also agree re the ending of Broadchurch

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 18:20:57

Oh yes, the butterfly, the other things that are pinging at me there:
a) why that butterfly, why not all of them? does this mean that only certain dead people are coming back too? what's the selection process?!
b) the gentle butterfly exerted enough force to come off its mounting pin and break out of the glass. That is surely superman in butterfly terms. Does that mean all of the returnees have come back with super-charged strength or similar?

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 18:23:50

How woukd the animals make the water level fall? By drinking it? I've been to that lake in real life - its massive. You'd need 20,000 elephants to make a difference.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 18:24:52

Yes, I wondered if all the returnees have some sort of ability or are super strong.

Victor got from the back garden to the flat door in super human time, including through a locked main door.

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 18:25:47

Aaaand - going back to Lula's point at the top of the page, I don't like that preacher/psychiatrist/whatever blokey. He gives me the creeps, which is an achievement for a living character in a show about the dead <gavel>

alpinemeadow Mon 10-Jun-13 18:29:51

good point viva - though if they are superhuman animals they may need to drink a lot - and in fact Camille was very hungry (was another returner very hungry as well? - so maybe they all need to fuel their superhuman strength!)
I agree about the doc/not-psych/whoever he actually is - very very untrustworthy in my book!

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 18:32:54

Viva, working on Archimedes Principle, if the water was full of dead animals and they came back to life and climbed out of the water then the water level would fall. BUT, as you have said, that is a huge lake, so it would take a massive number of dead animals to make a significant difference and for the drop to be noticeable and a cause for concern for the engineers. So I'm not quite convinced that the animals are the reason... but have no clue what else it might be!

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 19:01:21

Maybe there's a crack in space and time at the bottom of the lake.

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 10-Jun-13 19:01:47

Finally watched - didn't want to read /reply on here till I had

Def need to concentrate and actually watch it smile

So different time scales when they all died according to here

Camille coach 4yrs
Simon wedding day 7yrs
Victor who knows but was possibly alive 4yrs ago unless a ghost but was his fault coach crashed
Simon goes round killing people

Is camille Lena?
Why did mr costa burn his home then commit suicide?

Not sure why so many on here don't want to watch alone ? Not that scary hmm

Or am I a brave blondes grin

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 10-Jun-13 19:04:53

VivaLeBeaver

How woukd the animals make the water level fall? By drinking it? I've been to that lake in real life - its massive. You'd need 20,000 elephants to make a difference.

Have you? Where is it? Are there cars there?
I need to rewatch I think

alpinemeadow Mon 10-Jun-13 19:10:59

blondes is there something in your post that viewers of episode 1 don't know? I certainly didn't (won't repeat it, but talking about 7th line).

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 19:12:09

It's the big lake and dam at Tignes in the French alps. Cars do go right beside the lake on the main road and if you go into Tignes you drive along the top of the dam wall. Dh has just said the dam is called The Goat Dam, obviously in French not English. I thought he was pulling my leg but he didn't see the programme last night.

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 10-Jun-13 19:13:42

Alpine - whoops not Simon - serge - the bloke who stabbed the girl in the tunnel

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 19:13:43

I think Blondes might be confusing Simon with the stabby bloke in the hoodie.

LizTerrine Mon 10-Jun-13 19:14:12

Xpost smile

VivaLeBeaver Mon 10-Jun-13 19:14:35
alpinemeadow Mon 10-Jun-13 19:57:31

actually I'm not sure those who have just seen episode 1 have been told who that person is yet, have we? (unless I missed it). (again, won't repeat it)

I don't think there's any significance to the dam, is there? It was just part of the storyline of mr Costa being observed throwing himself off it. Ie he might not have been seen doing that by anyone if there wasn't a ( probably quite regular) problem with the dam levels. The dam workers looked out of the window whilst discussing the levels and that was the only reason they saw mr costa. I think the only significance of this is that there are witnesses to his suicide. Otherwise mr costa'a body would just have been found drowned (if it was ever found in a dam that size).

So now the local people know that mr costa killed himself after setting fire to his own house. Someone local will investigate why he did that.

FattyMcChubster Mon 10-Jun-13 20:16:11

Aargh, have googled wiki!
Have spoilt it for myself sad

<runs off to lock self in cupboard for next 8 weeks>

I have just read the entire thread and now feel prepared to watch episode 1 on 4oD or summat grin.

Will not wiki, will not wiki, will not wiki...

teejwood Mon 10-Jun-13 20:48:45

Christ, Viva any hint that Stephen Moffat has written this under a nom de plume and brought in the bloody crack from Series 5 of Who and I'm switching off.
grin
Blondes - Simon's grave said 2002, so he's 10 years dead and Victor seemed to appear from nowhere in front of the coach, so it's likely he was a ghost then imho.

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 10-Jun-13 21:39:08

Fatty - never ever google anything - I learnt that from
Dragon butter and space docking threads grin

Tee - yes grave said that but think this is a few years old as was obv shown in France first so when said present day at beginning think meant to be 2010 ish - plus Simons /adeles daughter looks about 7

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 10-Jun-13 21:55:49

i'm SURE there is something in the water loss of the dam. it's such an amazing 'character' in a way. (disclaimer; dams scare the shit out of me).

Sorry for going AWOL after starting the thread; DH had to go out last night and wanted me to save it to watch together. I didn't want to read this thread until I'd seen it.

I'm generally quite impressed; it's very good on suspense. But I hate the way they've decorated their houses. Too much dark avocado and depressing lighting effects.

muminlondon Mon 10-Jun-13 23:42:48

Love this concept of ghosts who don't realise they are ghosts, just 'returning'. Apart from Victor who is very creepy. It all looks very washed out too - I noticed the word ugly/'moche' a couple of times.

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 07:38:02

I watched it again last night after talking to DH about it and telling him how good it was. He is now hooked too.

From watching it again, I can confidently say I have as many questions as before and no new answers!

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 08:53:46

There's got to be some significance to the dam, I'd go as far as to say that it's pivotal to the storyline .... just not quite sure how.

Totally getting the medium thing, although not convinced that she was murdered due to it as I thought none if the "ghosts" know they're dead, so why would serge target her?

flatmum Tue 11-Jun-13 08:58:40

I watched ep 2 last night and they're still going on about the dam losing water

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 09:03:07

There's got to be some significance to the dam, I'd go as far as to say that it's pivotal to the storyline .... just not quite sure how.

Totally getting the medium thing, although not convinced that she was murdered due to it as I thought none if the "ghosts" know they're dead, so why would serge target her?

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 09:19:21

the soundtrack (by Mogwai) is available on Spotify

http://open.spotify.com/album/7znNGZ8iNfLJ41IxEWYJHp

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 09:19:36
Abra1d Tue 11-Jun-13 09:36:02

'Love this concept of ghosts who don't realise they are ghosts, just 'returning''

MumInLondon you might like the film The Others, with Nicole Kidman in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Others_(2001_film)

Abra1d Tue 11-Jun-13 09:36:17

Watched it again with DH last night, and after talking to him and a bit of texting between me and my best friend and me and my mum we have confidently come up with some theories (all of which, I am sure, will be proved absolute rubbish in the coming weeks grin)

-The dam must be significant. No idea how although maybe it holds some kind of space/time anomili.

-The twins haven't swapped. We think that is a red herring.

-Victor isn't one of the returned, he is something else. We think he is maybe the incarnation of "hope" or "love" or "hate" or something.... this isn't a well thought out theory, but something about him makes me think he is different. Also Julie seems sad and lonely and I think it's significant that he has latched on to her.

-Alternatively perhaps people see Victor when something bad is about to happen? Maybe he's like the angel of death.

-Perhaps Lena became pregnant during the sex? Don't know how that fits in yet but it would be a "bad" thing that perhaps Victor is foreshadowing when Camille sees him.

-Perhaps Simon was killed by Adele and that is why she is reacting so badly to seeing him? Or something else happened that implicates Adele in his death?

-Mr. Costa is the one who's made all this happen somehow, dabbling in the occult or something. And when he realises the magnitude of his actions he obviously feels so bad that he kills himself. Perhaps he killed his wife? And trying to ressurect her was him trying to atone for that, but when actually face to face with her he couldn't cope with the magnitude of what he had done?

-Lucy is one of The Returned and maybe a Medium/Spirit Guide or maybe she just has a connection to the dead because she is dead herself.

-The murderer is also one of The Returned.

-Maybe the murderer is killing all of The Returned?

-Pierre has somehow tried to make this happen too- maybe through prayer and some crazy form of Christianity. Maybe he thinks these are the End Times and that ties in somehow?

Oh, I am so excited for Sunday night!!! grin grin grin I'm going to crack out the Boursin and the Gauloises every Sunday for the next 7 weeks.

Abra1d Tue 11-Jun-13 10:27:07

I think Victor was drowned when the dam was built and filled up. His clothes look as though they might come from the period in which hydroelectric became big in the Alps--fifties/sixties.

spiderlight Tue 11-Jun-13 10:35:29

Free prequel chapter for Kindle on Amazon! I don't know whether I want to read it or whether it will spoil it though!

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 10:36:03

yes Abra1d I like the idea that Victor and the dam are some how connected

spiderlight Tue 11-Jun-13 10:37:08

Hang on...that might not actually be the same 'The Returned' at all! blush

aliasjoey Tue 11-Jun-13 10:57:25

I love the idea of the twins identity-swap, but I don't think it holds up: Camille when she returns is completely normal as 'Camille'. She answers to that in the bath (or rather, corrects her dad who calls her Lena) and she goes to bed in her own room, after complaining that someone has moved all her stuff.

Would somebody please tell me what happened in the first 10 minutes, as it is obviously pivotal! With the barmaid and Camille's dad?

Also why did Simon go to the cemetery ? I thought he didn't know he was dead?

To whoever said it's a bit like the Sixth Sense - I told DH it reminded me of M. Night Shamalayan films...

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 11:00:23

i was wondering if Mr Costa was involved in the building of the dam or something? seems odd that two random hydro engineers would know his name, even in such a small town?

Abra1d Tue 11-Jun-13 11:05:00

Good point--perhaps he was the engineer who designed or it something.

Spero Tue 11-Jun-13 11:19:57

As I am 'working from home' I had the opportunity to watch it AGAIN yesterday as I had missed the first five mins, which were actually quite crucial.

I agree with those who say the barmaid must be a medium - Lena's friend in the bar commented that it was the 'third time that week' her dad had been seeing her and the other bloke told him to shut up you knob, so obviously it was a sensitive subject for Lena and I agree it is a bit wild even for the French to have dad so casually visiting local prostitute in view of his daughter at the bar.

Brilliant suggestion that Mr Costa is something to do with the dam, didn't even think of that, but why else would he come back to the dam to kill himself?

Spero Tue 11-Jun-13 11:21:34

My guess re Simon is that he simply worked it out - he died in 2002, presumably he just 'woke up' thinking it was 2002 but it is immediately obvious that so much has changed - Adele doesn't live in her old flat but in a new house and suddenly has a child.

BoreOfWhabylon Tue 11-Jun-13 12:05:10

Oooh! <le shiver>

I am wondering if there is any significance to the fact that all the houses appear to be new! Could 'original' town/village have been submerged when dam was built, maybe that was when Victor died (would account for his old fashioned dress).

I don't think the murdered girl was a medium, not sure if she is a returnee - we will know depending on whether her body is found or not, because if she was a returnee then she would disapparate, like Mrs Costa.

Liking the 'end of days' thing!

C'est trés creepy!

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 11-Jun-13 12:40:19

I'm liking the theory of victor drowning in the damn years ago

Small town sure folk would know mr costa - hence the engineers knowing him

Def think a medium rather then a Prosser as she says doesn't always work/happen to the dad or something like that - she wouldn't say that to him if he couldn't get it up grin

Watched it again and will keep all episodes so can refer to them if needed till finished

BoreOfWhabylon Tue 11-Jun-13 12:43:46

Must not Wiki. Must not Wiki...

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 12:52:48

I've got a theory about why Simon knows he's dead....maybe he killed himself? If he did then surely when he returned he was already aware of his own death, him being the one who carried it out (rather than it being an accident).

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 12:56:43

ooooh yes re submerged town. i return to my earlier point about dams scaring the shit out of me.

BirdyBedtime Tue 11-Jun-13 13:13:54

Oh, only watched because my DSis mentioned it ... and I'm hooked. Definitely something odd about the whole town - I wondered whether they are actually all dead (flooded out before the dam was build??)and expected to return, but don't think their reactions bear that out. I missed the underpass bit as DD was unwell and got up but by the sounds of it I'm glad I did.

I am trying very hard not to google as I've already spoilt the end of Nashville for myself!!

FairyJen Tue 11-Jun-13 13:14:22

Dp reckons something in the water has infected all of the town as they don't react "normally"

Take Simon for eg. Dp says if he came back and found I'd moved out with no explanation and then he found me tryin on a wedding dress etc. he would not leave until I'd spoken to me.

Likewise if dp came back after 10 years I'd be out there with my shovel aiming for his head al la walking dead! Our episode woul be over and do e with within 10 min grin

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 13:30:13

Cuppa - I did wonder that about Simon. In the opening credits there is a couple lying on the grass, kissing. The camera pans to two wooden crosses, side by side - one of which has flowers on top. I wondered if that was a clue that it was supposed to be a suicide pact but that when Adele found out she was pg she couldn't go through with it? And that's why he's so angry - she didn't keep to her side of the "deal"?

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 13:31:12

Fairy liking your very non-delicate fairy approach to zombie DH grin

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 13:31:28

oooooooooooooooh.

also. they make the electricity fritz. what's that about? water?

spiderlight Tue 11-Jun-13 13:36:19

I think Victor is something to do with Simon and Adele - didn't he go to the flat where Adele used to live, or is that coincidence because he followed Julie home? Maybe Victor is Adele's baby with Simon?

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 13:41:05

but... but... but... they don't always make all lights fizz - it seems to be hit and miss. IIRC the underpass lights didn't go out when Serge attacked Lucy and nor did the streetlights go when Victor was following Julie back from the bus to her flat! Annoying when it's not consistent if that is supposed to be an indication that one of them is nearby!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 13:45:12

yup, i thought that too.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 13:45:32

unless they fritz at the exact moment that someone reappears elsewhere?

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Tue 11-Jun-13 14:13:58

ohhh suicide pact - I like it

Abra1d Tue 11-Jun-13 14:15:28

'i return to my earlier point about dams scaring the shit out of me.'

Yes. At best they are rather melancholy places. I always think of what was submerged to make them.

encyclogirl Tue 11-Jun-13 14:41:04

I cant stop thinking about this show. I am so creeped out and enthralled all at the same time.

What's the deal with Mr Costa? Who the hell is Victor? Will Lucy come back from the dead? Will Mr Costa?

Cant wait till next Sunday!

Chubfuddler Tue 11-Jun-13 15:35:50

MUST STOP READING THREAD

I'm planning to watch this tonight when home alone. Is that a bad plan?

Chivetalking Tue 11-Jun-13 15:39:37

Have now watched the first ten minutes I managed to miss twice hmm

Two things occur.

If Lena and Camille are twins why does the shrine photo in Camille's room show them with the same age difference as they have now?

And I'm not sure the driver seeing Victor caused the coach to swerve. Later in the programme he's shown standing to the left of the coach immediately prior to the crash. Surely the driver would have veered to the right if he could see him rather than drive at him?

I think Victor may be some sort of harbinger of events.

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 15:53:55

Chive - I had a closer look at the picture of Camille and Lena when I watched for the second time and they are pictured as twins.

On first glance I thought it was one older and one younger but it is just the way they have made one head higher up than the other. It is like one is sitting and the other is bending down over her sister.

I think that was done so you didn't immediately know they were twins from the start.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 11-Jun-13 19:38:34

This is going to be like Lost all over again!

AmandinePoulain Tue 11-Jun-13 19:42:59

I hope not Vive, I said that to my sister earlier - I loved Lost at the start but I hated the end, it was such a disappointment! I'd hate for this to go the way of Lost sad.

smokinaces Tue 11-Jun-13 20:02:07

I missed the first ten minutes annoyingly but I do love what I've seen.

It has hints of the 4400 about it, anyone remember that??

Oh, no, don't let it be like Lost!

Glad to see I am not the only person overthinking this grin.

The Dam is certainly one of the central characters, I think. Or it's water.

I actually think that the only people who reacted somewhat 'normal' to the reappearance of a dead person are Lena and Simon's fiancee IMO - screaming heeby-jeebies are perfectly appropriate in those circumstances.

Like the idea of a suicide pact gone wrong.

The stabbing: she was quite on top of things. Why did she not run away when she had a chance?

The twins have not swapped places, but was Camille complicit in allowing Lena to bunk off 'sick' in order to meet loverboy?? Even though she was a bit in love with him too?

I think Victor DID make the bus sverve - the accident just did not look 'natural' ie a bus going in to a bend too fast would've gone over the edge by its tailend, rather than go straight off.

Victor is spookiness personified <<shiver>>

Mr Costa. Hm. Do we know who the woman was he burnt? His sister? Wife? Lover? Secretary? Why burn all the photos??

Tous les questions!! <<throws hands in the air in gallic show of frustration>>

muminlondon Tue 11-Jun-13 20:50:27

Yes, like the Victor as harbinger idea - wondered why I was feeling nervous for the nurse. I don't think the twins swapped but it made their horror at seeing each other again more disturbing.

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:27:16

This story on the BBC website reminded me of Les Revenants. if you scroll down, there is a picture on the right hand side with "Warning! Polluted water known to contain..." and then a list of things. It already says "Dead animals", so it struck me that all you needed to do was add "And DEAD people wmah-ha-ha-ha! Watch the water level drop!!!" and the good people of Derbyshire could have their own spooky TV series to sell to C4 grin

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 21:29:34

lol it does look GORGEOUS though. <paddles in bleach>

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:29:45

Pacific re Mr Costa, the majority opinion is it was his wife who had died decades earlier.
Re Lucy, if she is a medium then I think she maybe realised what Serge was and that caused her to pause when she should have run.

<wonders whether Chub is watching yet>

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 21:30:17

(i think i might watch episode three now, muwahahahaha.)

flatmum Tue 11-Jun-13 21:32:35

I am watching ep 3 as we speak hee hee - does anyone want clues? (noooooooooooo!)

Also thought of 4400 and wondered if was a remake.

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:34:43

Sorry Aitch, but that was an old version of the story which has been updated here - it's just that the story that ran yesterday did not have the picture of the sign. According to the story, they have dyed the water black - which makes it even more creepy!!

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 21:35:18

Oh I think it is a shame to have to watch ahead - much better to watch at the same time as everyone else and be part of the "event" that something like this is.

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:36:39

Gah! Take it you have a preview copy Aitch? You too, flatmum?
Does the creepy factor rise in ep 2?!

Fraxinus Tue 11-Jun-13 21:37:03

When is the next episode on? I am watching on catchup here (no tv)

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:37:40

<stands shoulder to shoulder with Anne in the not seen ep 2 yet brigade>
grin

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:38:43

Pretty sure it's next Monday, Fraxinus.

smokinaces Tue 11-Jun-13 21:42:36

Next one is Sunday 9pm

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 21:48:21

Sorry, wrong day - smokin is right it's Sunday!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 21:51:07

omg now it looks REALLY amazing...

How on earth are you watching ahead, Aitch?? envy

I am still confused by some of the characters, as in who's who: is Lucy the barmaid/medium/possible prostitue (I think not) who gets stabbed in the underpass?
Serge stabs her - where else has he appeared in ep1?

And why is Mr Costa Mr Costa rather than Tom, Dick or 'arry like everbody else?? <<gets lost in irrelevant questions>>

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 21:58:11

Actually if people are watching ahead I may have to avoid this thread as I really don't want spoilers.

flatmum Tue 11-Jun-13 21:58:33

I am just watching it on the internet in French - because I have absolutely no patience and can't wait for anything these days. Maybe I'll wait for you lot to catch up smile. Think it is getting creepier.

Yes, you ahead-watchers, no spoilers, please <<squinty-hardeyed stare>>

smokinaces Tue 11-Jun-13 22:02:56

Agreed no spoilers you clever French speakers!!!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 22:04:04

lol i don't do spoilers. i was actually talking about the black lagoon, haven't switched ep3 on yet as subtitles plus schoolgirl french mean i have to pay attention. (imo one of the main reasons that subtitled progs have come to prominence recently, because they force you to take time out and Just Watch).

flatmum Tue 11-Jun-13 22:04:11

Won't spoil. Promise.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 11-Jun-13 22:04:16

Agree with Ann and tee - more fun to watch together

I don't want to read spoilers of no 2&3 before we can watch on ch 4

It was like that on the walking dead thread s3 people watched online and spoke about it and us patient people waited till was on tv 5 days later

flatmum Tue 11-Jun-13 22:06:24

I agree. Although I am watching without subtitles I do have to concentrate on the French. It is nice not to be multitasking for a change.

That's why I like the skandi ones - excuse not to do the ironing while watching tv!

Actually, I sympathise with not being able to wait: I read 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' and then Could Not Wait for the other 2 books in the Millenium Trilogy. So got them in German. So now I have the 2 books in 2 languages in 3 different editions... blush.

And yy to subtitles forcing you to actually watch and pay attention.

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 22:16:22

The black lagoon Aitch is talking about is the BBC Derbyshire story I linked to - sorry for any confusion!

teejwood Tue 11-Jun-13 22:20:56

Pacific yy Lucy was the barmaid/medium.
Serge was only in the underpass iirc.
There is a list of characters to date here on the C4 website so you know who is who and Mr Costa is Mr Costa mainly because everyone in the show called him Mr Costa iirc!

Noooo don't watch ahead! Be part of the event! I am a sucker for finding things online- I watched the whole of The Mindy Project after one episode because I liked it so much- but with something like this it's much better to be part of the event and have the event to look forward to and to speculate! grin

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 22:42:07

that sounds to me like the voice of someone with NO ACCESS TO THE FUTURE... <booms> grin

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 22:53:15

Hmm... there is no point in speculating on this thread if people are posting about watching ahead. Because we all know that they know whether we are right or wrong. Because they keep banging on about watching ahead.

I think it is a shame that we aren't all watching it together. There aren't many TV events anymore because of the annoying TV mags and papers which post spoilers. I don't buy or read these things but they are impossible to avoid because they splash the stories across their front pages which are on display in every supermarket / convenience store.

Could we not please just let this thread be about watching it in real time? Could we not just have one programme which is an event?

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 22:54:24

Ignore the "not" in the last sentence. My pissed-offness is manifesting itself in crap writing.

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 22:55:33

Actually in the last and the penultimate sentences.

aliasjoey Tue 11-Jun-13 23:02:01

I wondered about MR Costa too, everyone else, even the doctor, are first names.

AnneEyhtMeyer Tue 11-Jun-13 23:04:46

I thought Mr Costa was Mr Costa because of his age. All the others are a lot younger, and France has always been quite a formal country when it comes to names / titles.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Tue 11-Jun-13 23:36:52

i'm not sure why it matters that some people know what happens next and some don't, so long as no-one's posting spoilers. i watched the first and second eps before you'd even seen ep 1, but i can't see how you would have known that from what i posted.

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 00:09:36

I have just come from the homeopathy thread and think I have solved the whole thing - the water in the dam holds the memory of people who died and reconstitutes them when the time is right.

I thank you

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 00:13:28

omg i think that's an excellent theory...

AnneEyhtMeyer Wed 12-Jun-13 07:45:56

The thing is Aitch, you seem to delight in posting about how how you are ahead of the rest of us. I've seen you doing it on other threads.

Where is the fun in speculating on what is going on each episode if some of us know significantly more than others?

You are right that I didn't know before I watched episode one that you had watched two episodes. I don't see why I ever had to know that to be honest. I don't get why you have a need to tell us you are watching ahead. What purpose does it serve? If you aren't posting spoilers why do you need to tell us you are ahead? Why not just join in with the general chat about the episode in question?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 08:16:02

jeez, god forbid anyone takes delight in anything on MN any more, eh? what a bloody misery this place is these days...

Chubfuddler Wed 12-Jun-13 08:51:56

Oh god the dementors have landed on the thread.

Go and eat worms aitch.

Can we not all just get along? Let's forget all this silliness and backbiting and go back to talking about what's actually important, i.e. the undead grin

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Wed 12-Jun-13 09:03:24

So aitch has watched ahead, would've preferred it if the thread was us all "in it together" but it's hardly the end if the world, and absolutely no worth any bad feeling.

Hear hear cuppa!

LtEveDallas Wed 12-Jun-13 09:23:35

Surely ONE episode ahead isn't going to tell you much anyway - wouldn't it be a bit crap if ALL the mysteries were solved next week? grin

(and posting I've seen you doing it on other threads is a bit passive agressive and snidey for what was a fun and interesting thread about a bloody TV programme. Way to spoil the mood)

AnneEyhtMeyer Wed 12-Jun-13 09:35:29

Oh right, I'm the bad guy because someone wants to boast. Fine.

And WTF is a "dementor"? Obviously you want me gone, so I'll leave you to your name-calling.

Chubfuddler Wed 12-Jun-13 09:37:30

<head desk>

encyclogirl Wed 12-Jun-13 09:45:00

<pulling us back on topic>

I am obsessed with Mr. Costa. I have a theory he's the local teacher, cos he was burning school pics. That would explain the "Mr" part. Everyone calls him Mr Costa because they are all his past pupils.

Sooo..a school bus goes over the edge, he jumps into the reservoir too.

Why not just kill himself in the house with his wife/daughter/girlfriend?

He knows something about the reservoir, and it was his butterfly that came to life.

He's key. I'm sure of it.

LtEveDallas Wed 12-Jun-13 09:50:44

No Anne, you're the 'bad guy' (no-one actually said that) for bringing down a fun thread.

Aitch hasn't posted any spoilers, hasn't boasted at all, hasn't ruined it for anyone.

Anyway.

Having read the Homeopathy thread this morning I completly agree with Bore - that's a FAB theory - and my addition:

"The water level is dropping because the charletons homeopaths are busy making remedies from it and bottling all the "dead body goodness" as a treatment for dandruff"

Hullygully Wed 12-Jun-13 09:53:27

It will be disappointing tho.

Anything with a supernatural explanation is always silly in the end.

And I really really don't want to watch a young woman have her stomach ripped apart.

flatmum Wed 12-Jun-13 09:58:32

I also thought that about Mr Costa, was he the old headmaster hence always known as Mr Costa. Also liking the homeopathy theory as there is definitely something going on with the water

I like this show and am already finding it more engaging and, strangely, more believable than the Fall. Although thinking about it, if a load of dead people turned up in a small town and started openly walking around I reckon it would be only a matter of hours before it was surrounded by Sky News helicopters.

NishiNoUsagi Wed 12-Jun-13 10:09:07

BoreofWhabylon

"the water in the dam holds the memory of people who died and reconstitutes them when the time is right."

shock

Does this mean that Mr Costa threw himself into the dam because he knew this, and knew he would be able to come back at some point?? shock

<speculates wildly>

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 12-Jun-13 10:21:48

So far only the members of each family know their loved ones have come back?

Wonder if cecilles body was found in the crash? Or all burned so assumed were dead

Hopefully no aliens in this grin

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 11:02:37

I must admit I hadn't thought of that Mishi, but yes, that is further evidence for my Homeopathic Dam theory, so thank you smile.

Also, homeopathy is very popular In France!

<taps nose. Inadvertently pokes finger in eye>

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 11:05:58

And YY to LtEve too! Clearly, Mr Costa had used the water on the butterfly and then... used it on the photos!!!!

And now, all the people in the photos are coming back (as well as those already in the dam)!!!

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Wed 12-Jun-13 11:17:20

sorted - don't think I need to watch the rest of the series now grin

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 11:34:25

No, we have to keep watching to see how long it takes them to work it out for themselves. Also, we don't know who Victor is yet.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 11:41:39

i think i'm the worm-eating dementor btw, Anne, don't sweat it, and don't leave. smile i won't post any spoilers, i promise. actually, the publicity material (in all papers, unavoidable) says that it will concentrate on different stories at different times, so it's very episodic in that sense. all Major Theories totally remain up for grabs regardless, it looks like.

LOVE the homeopathic stuff. but there's a certain part of me wants this all to remain unexplained and just have it be how people react to having a person they've mourned for pop back into their at-least-partially-rebuilt lives.

Abra1d Wed 12-Jun-13 12:11:34

There seems to be a theme of large engineering projects in homeopathic remedies on MN today. Berlin Walls, dams.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 12:15:09

did i mention they scare the shit out of me? it's all that contained energy, i think, just looming, waiting to burst. which is why the memory of water thing is really intriguing as a theory, i think...

whoever pointed out that all the houses are modern, i think that's a great observation... totally hadn't noticed it but right next door to a dam it does suggest that it's been built to compensate for something.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 12:17:37

btw did Mr Costa throw himself into the dam or off the other side, onto the grass?

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 12:28:42

whoever pointed out that all the houses are modern, i think that's a great observation... totally hadn't noticed it but right next door to a dam it does suggest that it's been built to compensate for something.

<preens>

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 12:32:23

now, don't get boasty...

gazzalw Wed 12-Jun-13 12:36:14

It wouldn't surprise me at all if a village wasn't 'drowned' when the dam was built - that might explain why all the houses are modern....

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 12:37:19

grin

It's likely that my predictions will be completely wrong about everything and it will turn out to be all due to aliens (crashed spaceship at the bottom of the lake, dam built as part of massive government cover-up etc etc)

gazzalw Wed 12-Jun-13 12:47:02

The French aren't generally as unsubtle as that, in their script-writing, are they BoreOfWhabylon????

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Wed 12-Jun-13 12:48:28

BoreOfWhabylon noooooooo please don't let it be something utterly ridiculous like that

gazzalw Wed 12-Jun-13 12:50:14

It could of course all be a dream....

Spero Wed 12-Jun-13 13:23:05

and what is significance of every home apparently painted the same dark green colour? or was that just the generally very gloomy lighting? Or is this the new elephants breath and I am just very behind the times decor wise?

gazzalw Wed 12-Jun-13 13:33:11

I just assumed it's the lighting.....

flatmum Wed 12-Jun-13 13:33:54

I thought that about the housing - is it al the people in the (very nice!) modern houses have lost someone - because they are all living on site of a village that was wiped out by the dam? Being punished?

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 13:33:55

I don't know, gazzalw. Confess I've had little exposure to French TV until now. Wondering if there is a French equivalent to David Icke?

Oooh, though - wasn't a lot of the Da Vinci Code set in France? Proof positive that a lot of inexplicable stuff goes on there!

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 13:35:41

Cuppa, ok we will revert to my totally non-ridiculous Homeopathic Dam theory then grin

gazzalw Wed 12-Jun-13 13:41:49

Maybe there were lots of dead bodies raising the water level in the dam but now they've all resurrected and 'walked off' back to their lives, the water level has gone down.....

Well, I'm not sure I'm an expert on French TV or films but they don't, from what I've seen, tend to go for fantastical in the same way that the Americans do.....

Does anyone know if this is going to be just a one series show or are we going to lose the plot watching series after series.... ???

nennypops Wed 12-Jun-13 13:50:52

My theory: the returned are all people who died in the dam. The little boy lived in the village that the dam drowned, and he died there. Maybe the returned have some sort of compulsion to lure people to die there, hence Victor causing the coach to crash and Mr Costa throwing himself in.

gazzalw Wed 12-Jun-13 13:59:09

Ha maybe it's a 'sacrifice' type of thing. Someone gets to come back to life if they give the dam more dead bodies/souls....

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Wed 12-Jun-13 14:06:01

yes much prefer Homeopathic Dam BoreOfWhabylon

I think Victor might have been murdered and his body hidden in the dam as it was built...recalls sacrifices of humans built into buildings for good luck, lots of rumours about london bridge etc. I think mr costa knew about it in some way

Clearly read Hawksmoor too many times...

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 14:33:05

aaaah. re david icke. this is off-topic but made me howl at the time. alice walker, writer of the colour purple and all-round cool woman (unless you believe what her daughter says)... interviewed on Desert Island Discs on Radio 4 by Kirsty Young.

life story fine, impressive even, music for the desert island victrola chosen and played etc etc. last task is to choose the one book that will accompany you throughout possibly years of isolation.

alice walker chooses 'get up off your knees, people' by DAVID ICKE.

kirsty young couldn't even speak. awkward moment of radio silence while she realises walker is, in fact, a crackpot...

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 14:34:55

flatmum have we seen any non-modern buildings at all? i can't think that we have, at least not ones right at the town.

flatmum Wed 12-Jun-13 14:42:08

No we haven't officially although you and I may have seen one in ep 2 involving a key character which has thrown me a bit? Tho possibly still in the same vicinity as the dam.

flatmum Wed 12-Jun-13 14:43:54

Whole town seems ultra modern tho, esp for a town in the French Alps, so has surely been newly built during construction of the dam.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 14:45:00

flatmum... let's all stay on the same page here... <looks over glasses>

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 14:45:07

kirsty young couldn't even speak. awkward moment of radio silence while she realises walker is, in fact, a crackpot...

grin grin

LizTerrine Wed 12-Jun-13 14:45:52

Yes Aitch, that book selection was bizarre. A total -did she really just say that?!- moment. Think the daughter might have a point...

Flatmum, careful with the spoilers now!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 14:47:53

i know, it made me IMMEDIATELY go and google her daughter. grin

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 14:48:00

Oh MadameDefarge pleeease tell me about the human sacrifices built into London Bridge

<anticipatory shiver>

flatmum Wed 12-Jun-13 14:49:36

Sorry! Sorry! Forgot my place for a moment.

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 12-Jun-13 15:12:15

Thanks Madame. Am now having a lovely time with Google!

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Wed 12-Jun-13 16:04:01
zukiecat Wed 12-Jun-13 16:07:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

susiedaisy Wed 12-Jun-13 16:19:43

Ooh that's a good suggestion zukie, I remember watching the film ' the others' with Nicole Kidman in, in that big house with her two children that couldn't see the sun but it turned out she was the dead one, I thought that was a great twistsmile

zukiecat Wed 12-Jun-13 16:30:50

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Oh, the Homeopathic Dam Theory has just absolutely Made My Day grin - love it!!

Everybody's reactions to the Returned is so odd, they could well be dead. Or deadish. Hm. <<ponders>> It's been done a few times though, hasn't it, the 'They are actually dead but they don't know it yet' thing. Sixth Sense, anyone?

Mr Costa as school teacher/headmaster is also a vair good idea.

And I don't think that Elephant's Breath is a dark green, tsk tsk. Know your Farrow&Ball, please, ladies.

The White Queen looks actually very tame in comparison - I think I am going to give that a miss.

they aren't dead in the village, they are just French tv/cinematic folk! They have a very particular way of interacting. Lots of Pintereque pauses, beautiful architecture, and especially svelte and trim mothers of several children, of a certain age. with great cheekbones. And haunted looks and all.

ie

did you fetch the car from the carriage?

<<looks at dh in retiring yet elegant manner>>

<<dh looks at dw for several seconds, looks away to coffee, takes a long sip, looks back, then away through window towards garage>>

No. It was too wet.

<<dw closes eyes, breathes deeply, sweeps perfect blond fringe away from forehead in a surprisingly vulnerable way, turns towards the stairs>>

Its late. I must go

<<drips coffee cup abruptly in sink. watches wided eyed as it shatters significantly>>

<<dh moves forward, lifts hand towards dw, drops it in despair as she ignores his move>>

I have several patients to see...will you be home for dinner?

<<dh turns away, hiding face of agonised pain, mutters sotte voce>>

Yes. Always...Shall I bring the beef?

tbc

Madama, are you one of the actual writers of the show?? shock[starstruck]

Hm, 'Madama', I quite like it, but sorry to have mangled your name, Madame

its only a first draft, Pacific!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 22:12:23

lol madame

my rewrite would substitute beef with naice ham. obviously.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 12-Jun-13 22:17:59

or naice boeuf.

ooh! this is why collaborative writing works on tv!

naice boeuf! lovely!

Did I forget to mention the way they manage to underfill a cashmere sweater in a strangely sexual manner?

Abra1d Thu 13-Jun-13 07:54:07

I sometimes think I have more fun on these threads--or as much fun--as I do watching the programme!

Hullygully Thu 13-Jun-13 08:17:53

That's all I went on about through the whole programme - how thin that bloody blonde woman was...

So Quintessentially French

devilinside Thu 13-Jun-13 09:26:50

Watched it again last night (still none the wiser) looking forward to Sunday

Spero Thu 13-Jun-13 09:52:57

Madamdefarge PLEASE will you do a Gallic version of Eastenders?

wheredoistartmrs Thu 13-Jun-13 09:59:15

the grave said 2002

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 13-Jun-13 12:16:26

They died at different times but came back at same time - Simon died 7 years ago (from when series was made) camille and coach crash was 3yrs ago

qazxc Thu 13-Jun-13 18:12:42

By the way they were talking i thought that Lucy was a medium but when i watched again he was putting his belt back on. Prostitution is legal in France, pimping isn't, so the guy at the bar wouldn't take money of her but would prob rent her a room at exorbitant price rather than taking his cut after each client.
Does anybody else think that Camille takes it rather in her stride that she has been dead for 3 years? Or wonder why Adele's hunky ex or the old bloke's wife do not seem to notice that their other halves have aged?

qazxc Thu 13-Jun-13 18:14:55

Also they clean up the dialogue quite a bit. Lot more swearing in French. grin

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 13-Jun-13 18:41:09

Camille doesn't know she's dead. She thinks she fell asleep on the mountain and then woke up - she thinks she has memory loss as cant rem how she got there

she doesn't reliese 3yrs has passed since everyone has seen her

I still think it was trying to get hold of THe dead /mediums in the pub rather then sex - as I said previously she said it doesn't always happen - ie the spirits not coming through - rather then him
Not getting hard and getting it up

It is a bit odd though - not realising something really, really strange is going on when 3 years have passed: things change in 3 years, non?

And grrrr at sensuesly empty cashmere jumpers - is there such a thing as a French woman with more than a 32B bust?? <bitter>

NishiNoUsagi Thu 13-Jun-13 19:59:26

"By the way they were talking i thought that Lucy was a medium but when i watched again he was putting his belt back on."

Maybe she's a medium who gets messages from quivering bum hairs? grin

Like dowsing, but with wiggling bum hairs rather than sticks..

It's really the only explanation that makes sense.

Rollergirl1 Thu 13-Jun-13 20:47:26

Has anyone watched the trailer since seeing the first episode? I did today and there are a couple of scenes that allow you to piece the returnee with their respective person.

Don't want to say anything just yet as people might perceive as "spoilers" but have a look and see what you think...

Rollergirl1 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:04:27

I have a bit of a way out theory that is totally not thought through at the moment. But did anyone notice that right at the beginning when the butterfly broke free, underneath where it was in the frame was the name of a person (I thought) rather than the name of the butterfly. So what if this first round of returnees are all linked with the name of that person/butterfly? Then as each butterfly comes to life so do more people?

Perhaps Mr Costa killed people and each butterfly represents each person he killed? And the photos that he burned are related somehow?

Oooooh, watching the trailer was quite a revelation - I had not seen it before. Yes, some spoilers, but I quite enjoyed them.

I think the name under the butterfly IS the butterfly's name though.... hm, not sure

Rollergirl1 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:34:32

I thought it said Victoria something. But I could be wrong.

BoreOfWhabylon Thu 13-Jun-13 22:05:52

It's all down to the Homeopathic Dam, I tell you!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Thu 13-Jun-13 22:10:48

a la recherche des zombies perdu?

Spero Thu 13-Jun-13 22:20:48

Oooo trailer tres Bon

I am going off the Homeopathy Dam Theory - attactive as it was.
That water is so full of actual, rotting stuff, waaaaaay beyond an imprint of dead people. It's Dead Stuff Soup!

somanymiles Fri 14-Jun-13 05:19:44

Deffo think trailer has spolilers, although I quite enjoyed it. Looks as if the series does get even scarier.

BoreOfWhabylon Fri 14-Jun-13 11:42:54

Away with your science and logical thinking, Pacific.

We must open our minds (and let our brains fall out) wink

Abra1d Fri 14-Jun-13 13:23:01

Hell yes, not too much logic, please.

Only two more days to episode two.

<<shoves her brain under sofa with tip of her toe>>

<<counts down to Sunday evening>>

<<does NOT google ahead>>

<<sits on hands>>

Life is hard, what with having to actually wait <sigh>

Dozer Fri 14-Jun-13 20:47:18

Something in the water.....

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 14-Jun-13 21:13:22

has Anne come back? (revenant?) do come back, it's never nice to feel like you've been kicked off a thread, there's lots of fun to be had on this one i reckon.

Abra1d Fri 14-Jun-13 21:16:08

Yes, come back Anne! This is not to be taken seriously. Sacre bleu, it is only television.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 14-Jun-13 21:27:21

c'est tellement vrai, bien sur! come back from the dead, Anne! grin

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 14-Jun-13 21:27:40

(i think that french is All Wrong, btw).

Spero, I would do an Eastenders episode. but then I would have to watch it. And then kill myself. And possibly you for suggesting it!

Just watched this, on my own, in a big house where I am babysitting.....

Loved it! Can't wait till Sunday.

starsandunicorns Sat 15-Jun-13 18:34:30

Have at lasted watched esp 1 think alot of these are very good. Victor creeps me out. The dam is connected somehow. Wont get a chance to watch esp2 till mid week sigh.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Sat 15-Jun-13 22:33:21

1 day to go people ... 1 day to go

<wonders what her life has come to when she's THIS excited about an TV programme>

Abra1d Sat 15-Jun-13 22:37:51

There has been some talk of a competing Philippa Gregory at the same time tomorrow night and the wisdom of recording Les Rs, because of the ads and not watching it au meme temps, but I will not avoir it. Zut alors!

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 15-Jun-13 23:53:43

The more times I watch - the more you pick up /notice things

I missed mr costas daughter/wife eating in the kitchen - I think it's his daughter as a pic to the left of the butterflies (and name of butterfly is under not persons name) when they are younger - she looks same age - he looks much older - so def think he's her dad rather then hubby tho blondes has been known to be wrong grin

Having subtitles you really need to watch and concentrate and not read/fiddle on phone /mn etc

Looking forward to tomorrow's episode smile

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 16-Jun-13 20:23:05

And the girl who gets stabbed on the tunnel - she bites his hand - then knees him in the balls and then stands looking at him for about 5 seconds

Why didn't she run hmm

Any normal woman would scream and run

The doctor names the boy victor when the nosey neighbour asks - she said victor - so made a name up - when she asks him on the sofa he says victor - as that's what she named him

girliefriend Sun 16-Jun-13 20:40:56

<waiting>

<drums fingers>

<wanders about aimlessly>

girliefriend Sun 16-Jun-13 20:43:00

Not liking this prog about plane crashes that is on before!!

<freaks out>

Well.

Dh is Watching Something Else shock!!

Shall I LTB?

I won't follow the thread as I'll be watching it later.... sad

smokinaces Sun 16-Jun-13 21:05:36

so it was 2002 he died, and this is based 2012 from the ten years earlier on screen just now.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 16-Jun-13 21:09:40

well she didnt kill simon, so was it suicide or an accident sad

least he knew about the baby, wonder if he will try and see his daughter?

Jestrin Sun 16-Jun-13 21:10:27

It's on!

Jestrin Sun 16-Jun-13 21:17:46

Why have the adverts got French subtitles??

girliefriend Sun 16-Jun-13 21:17:59

is everyone getting the french subtitles? confused

LizTerrine Sun 16-Jun-13 21:18:55

What's going on with Simon?

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 16-Jun-13 21:19:34

how weird, the french subs in ads hmm

Ducking spooky kid!!!

MrsDeVere Sun 16-Jun-13 21:26:45

So there is a serial killer on the loose
And that hot zombie is very hungry (they all are) and has a short fuse.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 16-Jun-13 21:27:54

what a nosey neighbour - wonder if spends all her time spying out the peephole grin

smokinaces Sun 16-Jun-13 21:30:19

The woman eating chips in the cafe who saw Simon was the young woman Mr Costa tied up and tried to torch

MrsDeVere Sun 16-Jun-13 21:31:39

Are all French teens this stroppy? grin

smokinaces Sun 16-Jun-13 21:34:37

So lena has twigged about Simon now as well as her sister. Wonder if she will be some kind of tie between them all somehow?

LizTerrine Sun 16-Jun-13 21:35:04

Smokin shock. Thought I recognised her!