Game of Thrones: The Rains of Castamere (spoilers)

(115 Posts)
lissieloo Fri 31-May-13 17:56:28

Last weeks break proper pissed me off, but is anyone else nervous about this weeks episode? Edmure's wedding is so huge in the books, and the penultimate episode has always been the big one, I know I will cry.

PollyPlummer Fri 31-May-13 20:38:56

YES, I am so nervous about it, especially with the break as I had been building myself up to it.
My DP has not read the books so he hasn't got a clue about what's going to happen. I cant wait to see his reaction. Dreading it a bit at the same time.
I was just shock for ages after reading it, such an intense chapter - especially with Arya's before and after. It really had a huge impact on me, my heart was pounding.
I am going to cry too.

lissieloo Fri 31-May-13 20:49:42

I know. Its probably one of the biggest things that happens, and I had to reread to make sure I hadn't imagined it.

PollyPlummer Fri 31-May-13 20:53:53

Ah yes it was just so huge - really emotional and just RAHHHH.
Cats last thoughts really had a big impact on me - no not my hair, Ned loves my hair [ sad] and poor Arya, just when she thought she would see her family again.

lissieloo Fri 31-May-13 20:59:47

I know, its just so sad. Its so close, and so many little things contribute to it.

PollyPlummer Fri 31-May-13 21:23:22

It's looking to be a really busy episode. I think Jon will head back to the Wall. Bran and co might meet cold hands.
Do you think they will show un cat this series ?

lissieloo Fri 31-May-13 21:28:02

I thhink they will save coldhands for the finale, tbh. or maybe next season.

UnCat would be a very good ending to the series, maybe a post-credit "shocker", tbh, Ive never really liked Cat and UnCat gives me the heebies.

PollyPlummer Fri 31-May-13 21:39:45

Yes un cat is pretty darn freaky, I get the feeling she would hang anyone that looked at her the wrong way.
A post credit shocker would be brilliant, I was hoping we would end with the purple wedding, but it doesn't look likely.

lissieloo Fri 31-May-13 21:42:08

I like the penultimate episode being the big one, that way loose ends can be tidied in the final.

lissieloo Fri 31-May-13 21:42:43

and yy to UnCat hanging anyone, she loses all trace of humanity, doesn't she?

PollyPlummer Fri 31-May-13 22:27:38

Yes, she really does. I wonder if it was seeing Robb killed and being brutally killed her self that did it or if she was dead for too long before they brought her back - either way I wouldn't like to meet her in the woods.

Whathaveiforgottentoday Fri 31-May-13 23:04:40

I've just re-read it too. Sooo sad. I'm looking forward to Monday but I may need to look away. I do wish dh would watch too but I can't convince him.

PollyPlummer Fri 31-May-13 23:47:39

Oh no that's a shame, GOT is one of the programmes we both enjoy.
Has anyone seen ASOIAF beer for sale in the UK ?
I know it is on sale in the US but haven't seen it here, would love to try some.

RhondaJean Sat 01-Jun-13 19:31:14

Yep it's in all the shops, on amazon, everywhere really.

Is this the red wedding?

PollyPlummer Sat 01-Jun-13 19:43:56

Yes Rhonda it is. Thanks will see if I can get some in. I obviously have been looking with my eyes closed wink

RhondaJean Sat 01-Jun-13 20:06:41

Thanks polly.

Here's the amazon page if it's any help

I haven't read them yet - I keep seeing them everywhere and I am tempted but I know it will put me off the tv series where it differs.

PollyPlummer Sat 01-Jun-13 20:41:54

Thanks for the link Rhonda. Am I being really daft - I can only see the books on there, I was looking for beer.
I have read the books, they haven't put me off the series yet, but I only got in to them after the second series. I do have had to stop myself from blurting out - that's not how they did it in the books. And in a way I feel a bit gutted that there will be no shock moments.

RhondaJean Sat 01-Jun-13 20:49:00

Bloody hell polly ignore me! I totally misread your post sorry I am a complete muppet blush

I'm blaming it on the painkillers for my torn muscle.

PollyPlummer Sat 01-Jun-13 20:59:00

grin Nah not a muppet, I misread things all the time.

Ouch, where did you tear your muscle ? Hope the painkillers are working.

RhondaJean Sat 01-Jun-13 21:13:17

Calf muscle, went to throw a kick this morning and it popped ( kickboxing class not just a violent type!)

Afternoon in a and e...

I've looked for th beer,I don't think it's on sale here yet, it's called Iron Throne pale ale.

PollyPlummer Sat 01-Jun-13 22:02:02

That sounds painful, ah yes Iron Throne pale ale sounds familiar.
There is a cookery book as well, I really want to do a GoT meal with ale or dornish wine [geek]

nipersvest Mon 03-Jun-13 11:10:47

just watched it online, was on last night in the usa. omg!

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 12:18:53

grin nipper that good ?
I cant wait now, had a sneaky look at the GOT fb page, a couple of people saying they are outraged and wont watch again - it must have been good.

nipersvest Mon 03-Jun-13 12:40:53

it's good, don't look at the dailymail though online today as there are spoilers.

Frettchen Mon 03-Jun-13 13:09:54

I've just watched it... It's perfect in a horrifying sort of way. That feeling of shock an 'this can't be happening' I felt when reading it in the books was replicated, even though I knew what was coming.

Think I'm going to have to check out the US fb page and see what it is they're outraged about!

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 13:13:09

Killing Starks Frettchen

I am going to cry, I know it.

Does Roose say Jaime Lannister sends his regards when he kills Robb ?

Do we see Robbwind ?

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 13:13:40

Actually don't tell me - I am getting a bit over excited by it all.

Frettchen Mon 03-Jun-13 13:31:56

I'm saying nothing - even if you wanted me to; this episode's not for spoiling!!! Book fans won't be disappointed!

The outrage on fb is very amusing (and highly grammatically incorrect... but that adds to the amusement!)

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 13:48:41

In the book its sort of swirling and chaotic, isn't it? Sort of "this isn't really happening, is it?" I am so excited all through the series when robb was making poor decisions, I was getting this heavy feeling. I think it makes it better, knowing what's coming.

Pitmountainpony Mon 03-Jun-13 17:48:40

Yep. Get yer cup of tea and tissues ready. We watched it last night....the break was due to Memorial Day here.
Mourning today.

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 18:03:11

Yed in the book there was an impending sense of doom throughout the whole chapter and it moved so quickly. From a niggle that something was wrong to carnage.
Glad tgey have done it justice.

WeWishYouAMerryNameChange Mon 03-Jun-13 20:28:41

I've just watched it and spent the last half an hour with my mouth open in shock - I've just rang my sister who I know won't have seen it yet just because I felt I needed to prewarn her about how fucking intense it was! I haven't read the books because I don't want to know what might be coming, but I am itching to start them

PenguinBear Mon 03-Jun-13 20:41:36

My DP watches this and has just seen the latest one. He is in shock from it and told me he needs counselling as it was so intense hmm. I am not a fan of the series but he's just watched a second time with his friend they have both decided to come and tell me about it and how shocked/surprised they were and how intense/messed up it was.

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:42:20

Yes, greywinds refusal to enter the twins, frey's snidiness. All added to the unease. And knowing doesn't actually make it any easier.

Wewish, you really should read the books too, they complement the series, its a great adaptation.

ILovePonyo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:46:19

Very much looking forward to this. I have read the books but can't remember them very well, but the red wedding I definitely can remember!
It's not like I read them ages ago either, my memory is awful confused

How do we think they will end it next week then?

ILovePonyo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:46:51

My dp hasn't read the books either and he keeps asking me what happens, ooooh is he in for a shock!

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:51:55

Penguin, really? I read an interview with the producers and they said that this was the scene they have been working up to over the last 3 seasons.

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 20:52:29

I really hope it ends with Lady Stone heart.

Don't want to say too much more wink

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:55:21

Ponyo, he'll be vvv shocked.

Next week will be the fallout, won't it? Sansa being told by joffrey what has happened, arya setting off to braavos, maybe jon being told that he is up for LC. It wouldn't be the battle, would it?

PenguinBear Mon 03-Jun-13 20:56:24

I am not sure whether to say yes or no as I'm not sure what the really refers to! blush

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:56:24

Yes, LS would be an ace cliffhanger, while its still fresh.

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 20:58:21

Your dh's reaction, twas rhetorical. grin

Nearly time!

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 20:59:42

I think you pretty much have it right lissie Plus Dany will do her thing. The title of next weeks is Mhysa - mother in high valerian.

WeWishYouAMerryNameChange Mon 03-Jun-13 21:00:16

lissieloo - I do intend to read the books, I have them lined up and ready to go, I am just enjoying the TV series SO much (more than I think I've ever emjoyed any tv) and it gives me hope that all the other amazing fantasy books ive read have a hope of being made into TV!

ILovePonyo Mon 03-Jun-13 21:02:19

Dd keeps getting out of bed the little pest angrygrin at least we can skip through the adverts when we finally start watching! Enjoy everyone smile

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 21:03:06

Oh here we go, hope you all enjoy it smile

I don't watch this but have seen the 'buzz' and read a bit on the net. Enjoy (or endure!)

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 21:06:12

I'm watching the end of corrie first, so that I can ff.

I put off finishing book one because I didn't want to spoil the series grin

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 21:07:21

Thank you NL, and polly.

See you all on the other side!

ILovePonyo Mon 03-Jun-13 21:08:32
ArgumentativeAardvark Mon 03-Jun-13 22:06:53

I actually loudly gasped and I knew what was coming!

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 22:13:07

I feel utterly wrung out. Sobbed on dh's shoulder during the credits.

Jesus christ.

It was so bloody brutal.

Trills Mon 03-Jun-13 22:15:53

DP was saying that he felt sorry for people who didn't know what was coming.

Nice to see the point at which Catelyn broke - it's not that she "came back wrong", she was broken and wrong before she died (just).

MsAverage Mon 03-Jun-13 22:17:06

Epic!!! Have you notice that they did not do any music at the closing titles? They knew we would be screaming! And we did!

ILovePonyo Mon 03-Jun-13 22:21:55

Dp just said "fucking hell. Fucking hell" about five times grin

Woah that was intense.

Trills yes very good point about poor cat, makes total sense sad

lissieloo Mon 03-Jun-13 22:23:05

Trills, yes, you could see that she completely lost her mind right at the end.

I think that surpassed blackwater (which was imo the best episode) poor talisa! Her death was most shocking.

Trills Mon 03-Jun-13 22:32:04

Am I remembering correctly that Talisa's book-equivalent (Jeyne Westerling?) was not killed?

PollyPlummer Mon 03-Jun-13 22:40:20


Poor Cat, you're right she was completely broken.

No Trills she stayed at Riverrun. There was a bit of speculation that Jeyne might be pregnant. Doesn't look like it now.

Cooroo Mon 03-Jun-13 22:53:01

Wow. I knew what was coming but still hoped it wouldn't. Was really looking forward to DD's reaction but her bf was here and he hasn't seen any of series 3 so she'll have to watch tomorrow.

Possibly worst thing was Hound chewing on pigs' feet. And Grey Wind. And poor Tulisa - that will put paid to all the speculation about her being a Lanister plant.

Tillyboo Tue 04-Jun-13 00:11:53

OMFG !!!!

Trills Tue 04-Jun-13 08:29:03

I assume they asked GRRM whether bookMrsRobb was pregnant? Because if she is (and it's a useful upcoming plot twist) then they've rather messed things up.

Gracelo Tue 04-Jun-13 08:47:38

I found the scene where Bran sent Rickon away almost worse than the Red Wedding, maybe because my dc are similar in age and such good friends right now. I couldn't imagine them being separated. All the remaining Stark children are entirely on their own now.

Trills Tue 04-Jun-13 08:52:59

Rickon said more words in that episode than in the preceding 2 3/4 seasons.

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 08:57:18

grin and he was really good. Shame we won't see him again for a while.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 08:59:34

In the book, Jeyne is NOT pregnant. Her mother has been giving her contraceptive herbs as part of her plans with the Lannisters. And yy, she stays at home whilst Robb goes to his uncle's wedding.

Gracelo Tue 04-Jun-13 08:59:41

That's true smile
He even looks a bit like my 5 year old, maybe that's why it upset me that much.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 09:01:55

Catelyn's naked corpse was thrown into the river in a mockery of Riverrun's funeral customs and she was not resurrected for three days.

Trills Tue 04-Jun-13 09:02:54

Halfway through this episode, I was anticipating the deaths, but I suddenly looked at DP and said "Oh shit, Catelyn", as I remembered what happened next.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 09:06:33

Arya doesn't directly see her family's deaths, either. She arrives with Clegane as it's happening, and he knocks her out with the flat side of an axe before she runs into the castle and gets them out of there.

Trills Tue 04-Jun-13 09:08:08

I thought that nobody directly say Grey Wind die, either.

There were reports of some cutting off and swapping of heads, but it wasn't seen by a point of view character.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 09:09:42

No, no one directly sees Grey Wind die in the books, either, just that his head winds up sewn onto Robb's corpse.

Trills Tue 04-Jun-13 09:15:19

There are rumours of it, but nobody directly sees that it could just be an exaggeration of the nastyness that has gone on.

I have spent the last six weeks gorging on Game of Thrones - we watched all three series start to finish and caught up with last night's episode live, IYSWIM. I haven't read the books yet so I'm still in shock.

I keep saying to DH "but what about the Stark children?" they have no where to go and there's no incentive for anyone to look out for them until they come of age.

I have down loaded the first book and I'm now going feast on them.

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 09:34:41

I'm sure I read that GRRM has shared the whole story with the producers, so they know what's important and what isn't. He al;ters his description of Jeyne in the books which is where the rumours that she might be up the pole came from. When Cat meets her she notices her hips are wide and good for childbearing (nice) but when Jaime meets her he notes that she's not worth losing a kingdom for and her hips are very slight.

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 09:48:38

I've just been thinking, I'm sure we will see UnCat in the final episode, I'm guessing she'll have the last line which will be along the lines of "where are my children"

Fiderer Tue 04-Jun-13 09:54:01

I watched S1 and S2 then read all the books in a frantic rush. Can't remember, do Edmure and Blackfish survive?

Artyjools Tue 04-Jun-13 10:00:14

I can't believe I am posting on a telly addicts forum, as I watch very little TV. But I absolutely love Game of Thrones, no-one I know watches it and I just had to say OMG, I wasn't expecting that. I must admit, I was expecting something, because a leader can't keep making very bad decisions without some fall-out, but I didn't anticipate them all to be wiped out.

I have my fingers in my ears about the continuing story re Cat grin.

I wonder why we are all rooting for the Starks, as the goodies, rather than for the Lannisters? OK, Joffrey is evil (played brilliantly by the young actor - wonder how it will affect the rest of his career), but the others are victims too - and the Lannister youngsters hardly feature at all.

I have bought the boxed set of books, but I am waiting until the end of this season before I make a start.

MrsJaqenHgar Tue 04-Jun-13 10:28:23


I watched last night and I'm still in shock from it. I haven't read that far in the books yet and DP was delighting in my reaction as he has read the books and knew what was coming.

I was on set for some of the filming of this episode (not the RW scene though) and still had no fucking clue that was coming. I knew something big would happen as it always does in the penultimate episode of the season but couldn't predict that at all.

<still gobsmacked>

GhostOfTheRobot Tue 04-Jun-13 10:35:41

Still reeling from the massacre (Rob's wife's demise was so upsetting) & I too knew it was coming.
Especially with all the humour before hand. Those tricksy writers were so mean but brilliant. A perfect example of the unpredictability of this show...

Poor Arya.

dontmeanto Tue 04-Jun-13 10:58:22

So shocking...DP and I had no clue as we are both not very far along in the books. I kept saying to DP "something's going to happen," but had no idea it was going to be that intense!

Still feel shocked this morning.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 13:15:20

Yes, Edmure and the Blackfish survive. Edmure is hostage of the Freys. Lady Stoneheart goes around with her band hanging Freys, baking them in pies, and otherwise slaughtering them.

I didn't see the whole episode (in France grrr) but I watched the big scene on YouTube. Holy fucking shit. I was wondering how they could make it as awful as in the books but good lord, that was so messed up.

I think they killed Talisa knowing that all the book fans would be thinking they knew what was coming, as a way to shock them as well.

Now I have Rains of Castamere in my head all day. Not pleasant!

This is quite amusing though:

Sample: "tonight's episode of #gameofthrones was a barrel of laughs and by that i mean i wish i was dead"

Holy shit shock I've been reading the books and have just finished number 2 but have also watched all the series. It is amazing. My mouth dropped open last night. Poor Stark children. I am wraking my brains as to how it all might turn out but so far all I've got is that Daenyris will win out? Or maybe all the women will end up on top (except Cerscei cos I loathe her). I am going to try and read the 3rd book before the last episode next weeksmile

TheSmallPrint Tue 04-Jun-13 14:04:28

Can I just join in with the OMG!!! I haven't read the books either so had no idea that was going to happen. I now need to read the books because I can't wait for them to film another series before I find out what happens.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 04-Jun-13 15:18:26

I can't stop thinking about it sad I don't think my brain could absorb the books though. Are they really difficult.

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 15:54:52

Lighthouse, no I dont think they are really difficult. I found it a bit challenging when reading a new point of view, book 4 was hard going for me because of that.
Otherwise, they are a long slog but well worth it.

Artyjools Tue 04-Jun-13 16:31:26

Dreaming - thanks for the link. Laughing so much!!!

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 17:18:31

Yes, book four is the toughest, its pretty bleak and focuses on the iron islands, iirc.

katykuns Tue 04-Jun-13 17:53:23

Someone hold me.... brutal... so brutal.... goes off and cries for a week

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 18:00:06

Brutal? Have they featured Euron Greyjoy yet? He took over a man's castle, ordered the man's wife and his daughters to strip naked and serve him and his men and then they were all raped.

Has Daenerys taken Meereen yet? A child slave was executed and posted with one arm up to show her the way, 167 of them. When she takes the city she executed 167 of the city's rulers.

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 18:01:02

<< holds katykuns >>

I am glad its not just me who struggled with book 4, I really had to push myself to get through it and I probably missed lots. Will have to give it another go.

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 18:03:39

It is awful expat the stories of Kiera and the other poor women / girls that were tortured by the Bastard of Bolton really stay with me.

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 18:05:53

Expat, no not yet. It was brutal, I know there's worse to come, but it was really horrible to see it bought to life like that.

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 18:09:50

Actually, the RW is a turning point, if only because that's it, all bets are off. Anyone can and will be slaughtered, noone is safe. Its like being finding out that santa, the tooth fairy and easter bunny don't exist, but the boogey man does.

katykuns Tue 04-Jun-13 18:13:45

Thanks PollyPlummer
<wipes snot off Polly's shoulder>

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 18:15:30

They left out a lot of the horrible things mentioned by the man who sold Daenerys the Unsullied as well, what goes on in the so-called fighting pits especially. Missandei in the book is an 11-year-old child, 3 of her brothers were enslaved to become Unsullied, Sansa is 12 when married to Tyrion, Alyse Karstark was about to be forced to be married to a half-uncle when she ran away to the Wall, both Daenrys's surviving handmaids were regularly raped by men in Khal Drogo's khalasar, on and on.

katykuns Tue 04-Jun-13 18:18:13

Every episode has made me wonder whether I should read the books... I started book 1 after the first series, but I found it difficult because I had already the tv characters in place of the ones I would usually picture in my head. Think I will give it another go, because I desperately want to read the stuff going on in people's heads!

That and the fact I need more JaimexBrienne... swoon

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 18:21:54

Both Brienne and Tyrion are FAR less attractive in the books. wink

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 18:23:47

Yep, robb and jon were 15 and dany was 13. When khal drogo dies, his khalassar rape all the "lamb" girls.

You're welcome Arty smile

I think Book 3 is the worst. you've got red wedding, purple wedding, Oberyn vs the Mountain (that ending!) it's just a whole bunch of no no no no aiiiiiii.....

Although Ramsay is a sick fuck and that whole storyline is just so wrong

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 18:29:48

Yes they have left out a lot of the horrible things especially the things that happen to the "common folk" or those that are not main characters.

Its worth another go, katykuns The first series pretty much follows the book, goes off a bit in series 2.

I started reading after watching the series so Tyrion will always be Peter Dinklage to me, like expat says though he is not meant to be as good looking in the books.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 18:52:03

Ramsay, Euron and Victarion are all completely awful, with Euron being even worse than Victarion. Roose is bad, too, and still alive.

katykuns Tue 04-Jun-13 18:53:03

Yeah I will do smile

I think its possibly a surprise to Peter Dinklage that he is now a sex icon! grin remember reading an interview in which he thought the interviewer was joking when they said how women found him very attractive as Tyrion.

God he is though... and heart meltingly sweet!

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 18:55:22

Tyrion is sweet enough, though, in the books.

There's that part where the light starts coming on for poor Sansa, when she's with her aunt Lysa, who questions Sansa about her marriage and Sansa thinks, 'He was kind,' and then of course later comes to feel she'd rather be married to Tyrion than the alternatives.

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 18:56:13

I really have to re read the books, I haven't got a clue what's going on with Euron and Victarion. I do remember them being nasty Bastards though

I hope the 2 Ramseys go in the next book.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 19:13:52

They are dire, well, Euron is the worse of the two. He's the one-eyed octopus of the red priest Morro's prediciton - sailing on a sea of blood.

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 19:26:57

I remember one of them has the dragon horn thing, Is Euron the one who burnt a ship full of people. I think they might be in Quiathes prophecy too although I can't remember what exactly.
I would like Ramsey to kill Roose or Roose to kill Ramsey - one of the 2. I am off to charge my kindle, have re read the first 2 books so will start again on the 3rd.

expatinscotland Tue 04-Jun-13 19:39:02

Euron has the dragon horn, yes, and of course, gives it to Victarion. Both Euron and Victarion burn loads of people alive. Hopefully someone or something will kill both of them and Ramsay off.

Figgygal Tue 04-Jun-13 19:59:29

Am proper miffed off I ruined it for myself and read the spoilers like I knew I would angry

And it's still not on sky go so i can finally watch it

lissieloo Tue 04-Jun-13 20:18:21

Figgy, reading iyt is different to seeing it, trust me, you've not ruined it. I've been waiting for this for years now, and it was still a punch in the gut.

Figgygal Tue 04-Jun-13 20:42:45

It's on to watch grin

PollyPlummer Tue 04-Jun-13 21:52:10

What did you think Figgy ?

TheSmallPrint Wed 05-Jun-13 11:01:27

I think Figgy is sobbing in a corner somewhere! grin

Figgygal Wed 05-Jun-13 20:37:22

Finally finished it hmm

Not cool at all!!

Such great baddies on this show and I did think it weird how nice and familiar Bolton was with jaime a few weeks back.

Can't wait until next week!!

MadBusLady Tue 25-Jun-13 12:25:06

<comes in late>



We have just fully caught up. Now we can go on the internet again.

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