The Politicians Husband…?

(221 Posts)
recall Thu 25-Apr-13 21:15:00

Anyone watching ?


WipsGlitter Thu 25-Apr-13 21:29:16

Yes. Want their house.

Waferthinmint Thu 25-Apr-13 21:32:39


She is fab isn't she. An appropriate adult . . .anything else?

WipsGlitter Thu 25-Apr-13 21:37:05

He's fantastically loathe some.

Gobbolinothewitchscat Thu 25-Apr-13 22:05:29

Yes - bit behind here but enjoying it. Liking that it's just an hour for each episode. 5 month old DS so fall asleep during anything longer!

AlmostHadItAll Thu 25-Apr-13 22:19:18

Loving it so far. Although it's obviously focused on politics, the personal relationships are fascinating. They have a good marriage but he is very controlling. He can't connect to his son but adores his daughter. Sad :-(

Lurleene Thu 25-Apr-13 22:20:33

Well, it stars my boyfriend David Tennant, has shades of Borgen, and contains Peter Mannion MP from The Thick of It. I love it already!

AlmostHadItAll Thu 25-Apr-13 22:25:30

It's getting even better!!!

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 22:33:03

Oh! A thread grin
Was late to tune in but god it was worth it!!
Hadn't heard about the initial premise - ie HIS career - and it was even more fascinating for that.
I remember being totally hooked on House of Cards many moons ago - this is giving me the same vibe.
Did anyone watch DT in Secret Smile a few years back - he can do a complete psycho git VERY well. Am assuming Aiden's controlling tendencies will increase as he has fewer external outlets. And yet I think Freya will be more than a match for all of them. And yes, the Borgen theme is spot on.
Love it!
<and want the house wink>

AlmostHadItAll Thu 25-Apr-13 22:36:25

I want that house too!

Moln Thu 25-Apr-13 22:37:11

I'm having the house, everyone else can have Dzvid

Moln Thu 25-Apr-13 22:37:31

make that David

Smudging Thu 25-Apr-13 22:42:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 22:45:00

Smudging it was BBC2

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 22:45:34

I'll have the house and David

puffinnuffin Thu 25-Apr-13 22:46:15

Why did David's hair keep changing colour? He seemed to be streaky blonde at one point then dark haired (unless it is my telly).

YoniConnect Thu 25-Apr-13 22:46:55

Loved it! Wonder if it resonates in the Ed Balls/ Yvette cooper household? How long before she ditched the driver and the special advisers? I agree with the Borgen echoes, it has all the makings of an intelligent drama that doesn't feel the need to signpost important characters or plot devices

Moln Thu 25-Apr-13 22:48:30

I think its sleeked back sometimes, not sure. have also spotted th chanagble hair too, though it was just me!!

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 22:48:55

I'll have David in his PJ bottoms and the house please.

I really enjoyed it. Loved the TV interview. She needs to go on MN next. wink

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 22:51:21

The shoes...'They're are a bit Theresa May' grin

although he made her change them <boo>

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 22:54:04

corny a MN mention would be hilarious - will keep an eye out for that.
Yoni mmm - see what you mean but Ed got to stay on the front bench after his leadership challenge, unlike poor Aiden.

I've really taken to the academic dad/grandpa chucking in his advice/anecdotes, and like the fact that Aiden's obsession with getting into number 10 isn't that far from Noah's obsession with his alphabet-orientated round the world trip.

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 22:54:57

oooh good point about the obsessions teejwood

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 22:55:54

The Theresa May line made me chuckle too. Am torn between thinking "he was right, play it straight on your first day in the job" and "the bugger did not want her to be even more noticeable/memorable on her first day in the limelight".

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 23:02:57

hmmm yes it could have been good advice, but his reaction to the TV interview was very revealing. What a waste of red wine though.

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 23:04:01

...and he left the tissue on the kitchen side for her to see

lurcherlover Thu 25-Apr-13 23:05:47

Loved it. I read an interview with EW a few weeks ago about it. I won't spill any beans but there is a sinister development looming next time...

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 23:08:00

"What a waste of red wine, though" - corny, you're my kind of person grin

And yes, the medical bits and bobs out on the counter were obviously meant to alarm her, make her feel guilty and let her know he was not pleased!

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 23:10:50

lol teejwood grin

yes he seems very controlling.

She says she took a step back for the family but maybe she'll realise that actually this is what she has always wanted.

lurcher is the sinister development linked to the twitter thing hinted at?

lurcherlover Thu 25-Apr-13 23:13:28

Nope. It's linked to...nah, I can't hint without giving it away! Maybe I'll start a new spoiler thread!

teejwood Thu 25-Apr-13 23:26:09

I'm guessing Aiden's controlling tendencies come further into play, lurcher?

lurcherlover Thu 25-Apr-13 23:29:34

Oh yes, tee. And how.

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 23:31:53

will that push her further away from him then?

My money's on the hair being a wig BTW - DT's hair that is.

recall Thu 25-Apr-13 23:35:38

It has helped me fill the Broadchurch gap

lurcherlover Thu 25-Apr-13 23:38:22

OK, I've done a new spoiler thread if you want to know!

cornydash Thu 25-Apr-13 23:38:28

I clicked the spoiler thread shock

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Thu 25-Apr-13 23:40:02

I like it. Everyone thinks she's being used to get back at her husband. He's using her to get back at the cabinet. She's not going to be used by anybody because she actually wants the job. Go girl. smile

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Apr-13 08:46:36

Okay folks I'm an hour ahead in Fr. is it worth watchingstaying up late for then? BTW i read the spoiler and I'm not sure it's very naice grin

Sugarice Fri 26-Apr-13 12:27:21

Ooh glad there's a thread about this!

Even dh said what a nice house it was. Great show and they're both brilliant in this, love EW especially but isn't DT brilliant at doing nasty.

Poor Noah though, getting so stressed in the car, I almost yelled' go the right way for goodness sake' at the telly.

Can't wait for next week!grin

Just watched on iplayer. Very good, very Borgen smile

diddl Sat 27-Apr-13 19:19:03

I enjoyed it as well.

The shoe thing-funny & sinister at the same time.

That he actually physically changed her shoes-bleurgh!

And why was he so upset-she had to say/imply that she didn't agree, didn't she?

And talking about a camera-"no, not really"- I think he did mean it!!

Southeastdweller Sun 28-Apr-13 08:54:37

I also enjoyed it, but I think David Tennant came across a bit forced and unnatural, but maybe that's the point. Or perhaps i'm not used to seeing him play a vulpie character. I'm predicting a fling with him and the nanny.

And yes, the Theresa May line was fab. I also appreciated seeing a married couple enjoy sex. Can't remember the last time I saw this on British TV.

It was great! DT's character felt just the right side of creepy - he is so convinced that he is right it is almost messiah-ish, and the destruction of his best friend after his Judah-like betrayal...ooh!

Emily Watson is a great actor, this character is so measured and controlled in the political arena (as opposed to at home) I am on tenterhooks.

And definitely avoiding spoilers! grin

Southeastdweller Thu 02-May-13 20:32:13

On again in half an hour!

MavisGrind Thu 02-May-13 20:38:18

Did anyone see The Politicians Wife which this is the flip side to? I think it might be the same writer (?) and had Trevor Eve, Juliet Stephenson and Minnie Driver in it. I think (I really am this vague) it was on in the early 90s and was brilliant!

Enjoying this though except I'm not keen on DTs hair (see, vague and indeed, shallow grin)

LineRunner Thu 02-May-13 20:54:32

I'll be watching it.

Darkesteyes Thu 02-May-13 21:02:11

I saw the Politicians Wife Mavis.

WARNING in this weeks Radio Times Alison Grahams column talks about a harrowing scene at the beginning of tonights episode which could be triggering.

badmumalert Thu 02-May-13 21:09:19

What have I missed in first 5 minutes?

Ikeameatballs Thu 02-May-13 21:14:34

Did he rape her?

Darkesteyes Thu 02-May-13 21:15:52

He anally raped her.

Ikeameatballs Thu 02-May-13 21:25:22


I was already finding DT's character a bit scary. Bastard.

Darkesteyes Thu 02-May-13 21:39:34

The way they were just being questioned by the journo and she turned on Freya was a good reflection of media mysogyny.

teejwood Thu 02-May-13 22:04:50

Wow - great tonight. DT completely horrid at the start and end, but so much else packed into the intervening minutes. And it looks like he's not done with Freya or Bruce-y boy yet.

Agree with you Darkest about the media portrayal.

How on earth are they going to resolve all this in one hour next week?! And it looks like they are going to make us feel sorry for Aiden when the nanny falsely accuses him of a fling in the tabs. How will they fit it all in?

Southeastdweller Thu 02-May-13 22:15:00

I think it's crazy it's only a three parter - there's so much mileage in the main narrative and sub plots, I think it could easily be a compelling six part series.

teejwood Thu 02-May-13 22:17:36

Agree with you there, Southeast. Unless they have series II planned?

I was pleasantly surprised by Aiden turning down the nanny, btw. That and the way he cares for Noah indicates he's not all bad.

idlevice Thu 02-May-13 23:02:10

I started watching purely to feast on DT...the fact it's actually quite a good drama is an unexpected bonus grin

GeorginaWorsley Fri 03-May-13 06:41:35

Surprised Freya could walk straight following the bedroom scene.
I feel a bit sorry for Aiden,even though I don't want too.

Sunnymeg Fri 03-May-13 08:33:06

I reckon Aiden is going to persuade the Nanny to go to the papers with the story. Get it exposed as a lie and then implicate and bring down Babbish, probably implicating his wife in an affair with Babbish as well. He is not happy as a backbencher and will play as dirty as he needs to. Noah's Aspergers is going to be dragged into the press as Aiden plays the poor me card to the press as well.

StiffyByng Fri 03-May-13 11:20:25

Well, THAT was a good programme to watch with the in-laws.

The complete improbability of the plot is doing my head in to be honest. The political stuff is just wrong - in that, none of it works like that or ever would - so I can't buy into it.

LineRunner Fri 03-May-13 11:20:45

I invited my DS (15) to watch it with me last night as he is interested in politics and likes David Tennant.

Well that was awkward.

StiffyByng Fri 03-May-13 11:42:37


We were eating on our laps at the time, and my mother-in-law gamely tried to break the awkward silence by chirping 'is this pork'?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 03-May-13 12:14:45


diddl Fri 03-May-13 12:17:39

I was tempted to turn over from "that scene"-& I was watching by myselfblushgrin

newgirl Fri 03-May-13 13:44:21

Ooh its marvellous. And I think completely believable - makes complete sense with the politicians Ive met over the years.

No idea how to resolve all that in one hour - more please!

Think DT fab in this - considering we see so much of him he seems so different in this - hey thats acting I guess!

boxershorts Fri 03-May-13 13:48:03

Not gripped I have seen such series before. We know too much about real politics to be gripped by fiction

Sleepysocks Fri 03-May-13 15:07:59

Ooh just caught up on it. Anyone else noticed alt of the character names are from West Wing, Hoynes they mentioned a Seaborn, Moss, Babbish etc?

ppeatfruit Fri 03-May-13 15:14:39

Sorry I caught this towards the end, Didn't Freya mind being AR? she did'nt seem to if I hadn't known I wouldn't have guessed by her body language how come ?grin

Eliza22 Fri 03-May-13 17:02:03

They dragged Broadchurch on, for 8 weeks though it seemed so much longer. And they're going to conclude this in 57 minutes, next Thursday?

It's good, I think. I think DT's Aiden finds it hard to relate to his son and overcompensates with his daughter but yes, he is utterly vile and very unstable IMO. Anything could happen. How could Freya get into bed next to him following the opening scene. I told my elderly mum to tune in "it's right up your street mum, really good!" Haven't spoken to her yet today but I think she got a bit more than she bargained for.

Borgen, it ain't though. Different gravy that one!

grants1000 Fri 03-May-13 17:16:56

I don't fancy DT at all, not my cup of tea. He looked so peed off in his pinny and rubber gloves when his Mrs and the man he shafted him were in the ministers car outside the house, not his finest moment. I did think she was very mean tossing all his stuff out into the shed so she cuold move in the swanky house study. I'd be changing those hideous tassled curtains in the shed first if I were him.

changeforthebetter Fri 03-May-13 17:26:03

Watched ep 1. Vair good. Not a massive DT fan (dodges bulletswink) Looking forward to ep 2 if wifi reception doesn't play up again tonight.

sudaname Fri 03-May-13 18:23:49

I couldn't take to it at first cos l cant be doing with David Tennant. I just cant take him seriously and couldn't help but think that in the more intense scenes, had l been playing his wife l would've just burst out laughing.
But l watched the second one and found it a lot more believable then.
I think the little boy who plays their son is brilliant.

Llareggub Fri 03-May-13 18:25:53

I thought the AR scene was very well done. We know from previous sex scenes that they do like it a bit rough. Combined with the diary and his plausible explaination for it I am sure Freya is feeling much guilt about suspecting him of darker motives. Obviously we see what she doesn't. I think it is very well done.

Fiderer Fri 03-May-13 18:34:54

I notice the West Wing names - can't be a coincidence?

Dread to think how I'll turn up, if at all grin

Thank goodness the DCs weren't in the room.

recall Fri 03-May-13 18:55:55

Guess what shock

StiffyByng Fri 03-May-13 19:01:14

I've met a few politicians and I don't think the characters are implausible, but the processes are utter nonsense, which makes me less engaged with it.

decaffwithcream Fri 03-May-13 19:35:11

I do think it's a bit heavy-handed - rain/dark/storm/ominous music for him sitting at the table waiting for her. They could just let the actual drama of the moment speak for itself a bit. And some of the dialogue is so predictable. I think if it hadn't got David Tennant and Emily Watson to carry it off that would be a lot more obvious though.

That said, I watched it this morning and it was still in my head when I went to get the paper. I was momentarily surprised that Bruce's response to the tweet wasn't important enough to be on the front page of the Guardian.

I really enjoyed the first episode but only saw part of the second (DH was in a chatty mood) although I saw that scene. I watched it through my fingers.

I am properly gaffawing at Stiffybyng's mil and the pork though grin

MavisGrind Fri 03-May-13 20:12:31

As I've recently been watching back to back episodes of the old series of The West Wing, I too picked up on the references. It also, momentarily, made me think that they are all real afterall... blush

Still don't like DTs hair <shallow> but have enjoyed - if that's the right word - this so far. Can't help thinking they wont be able to conclude it well on only one more episode though.

sudaname Fri 03-May-13 22:01:58

My DH is a builder and just remembered when the vile DT character spat on his hand he piped up 'Ooh a plumbers wiipe'

Yet another building site phrase that l wish l could just unhear. There have been a few.

bean612 Fri 03-May-13 22:46:28

Well I'm quite enjoying the story but the dialogue is terrible! Am surprised that actors with the calibre of EW and DT didn't throw the script across the room...

bean612 Fri 03-May-13 22:48:10

Ooh, and also - what's with Emily Watson's shirts? Why doesn't she tuck them in? That whole shirt hanging out thing makes her look both frumpy and also like a teenage schoolgirl. Weird.

Diamondcassis Fri 03-May-13 23:16:43

Is it me or do they have a phenomemal amount of ferocious sex? That scene was clearly something else but the least real part of it seems to be the sex life of two busy professional parents. No?

teejwood Fri 03-May-13 23:18:42

shock and grin at those who watched it with family members in the room/recommended it to people. And sudaname I dread to think what else you have heard!

bean I think she's doing that "older mum of 2-kids hiding the wobble tum and failing" thing. Emily Watson probably doesn't need it Ido

teejwood Fri 03-May-13 23:21:59

Diamond as has been said upthread, they obviously have a regular sex life, which is quite energetic/competitive/combative in nature, which kind of reflects their relationship - hence Aiden's use of sex as a weapon to assert power between the two of them and his unwillingness to shag the nanny as he doesn't love/fancy/have a challenge with her.

MadameOvary Fri 03-May-13 23:22:56

It reminds me of "Mistresses" - really quite hokey but compulsively watchable all the same because of the decent actors. The script is decidely average though, and you just KNEW that something was going to happen with his DS in the pool because of the massive great sign posts of his DF fiddling with his hearing aid and Aiden buggering off to use his phone. Subtle it wasn't!
I'll keep on watching but would like to watch a drama where I am properly surprised by stuff like this. Also knew that the boy's aspergers was going to be used as a plot device <rolls eyes>

teejwood Fri 03-May-13 23:24:49

It was Southeast who said earlier that it is good to see a real couple enjoy a real sex life - until the AR bit, obviously - and I'd agree with that.

recall Fri 03-May-13 23:26:13

The Politician and her husband have my sofa…I feel very posh now, and I have the bigger versions too…very exciting.

MadameOvary Fri 03-May-13 23:27:04

Also... <warms to subject> I wonder if parents of DC with ASD thought of it? Seems a dx was obtained quite late on...

teejwood Fri 03-May-13 23:27:58

"Subtle it wasn't!" - quoted for truth, MmeOvary grin and yy easy to see that there was going to be an incident in the pool. I expected Aiden to make a drama out of the whole thing and ask someone else to fish out Noah, though - quite liked the fact he jumped in coat and all....
<echoes of Colin Firth's Mr Darcy emoticon>

teejwood Fri 03-May-13 23:30:28

According to the interviews on the BBC website, the writer's nephew is on the spectrum (iirc) and a mother came to speak with the cast about her experiences of parenting a child with Aspergers

Diamondcassis Fri 03-May-13 23:31:44

Exc AR, the sex still looks facticious to me, in that real couples like them get too tired to get it on that often. Maybe just the ones I know.

idlevice Fri 03-May-13 23:44:39

Does anyone still use a diaphragm or cap for contraception? That certainly seemed not very realistic, & anyway you'd notice there was a hole in it when washing it out so plenty of time for morning-after-pill.

diddl Sat 04-May-13 07:39:28

And of course having a baby means that you can't work ever again...hmm

Xenia Sat 04-May-13 08:23:42

One hopes if she gets pregnant she will take 2 weeks off in the style of Xenia and dump it on the awful husband. That would be a nice touch - he thinks it means her career is over and instead he will be spending most of the day holding a crying baby.

ppeatfruit Sat 04-May-13 09:31:45

So they like it rough it wasn't rape then? Role play? grin For 2 professionals they seem very relaxed indeed grin

Xenia Sat 04-May-13 09:39:53

I think that was left unclear, perhaps deliberately ambiguous.

The sex sells TV shows, but does not reflect the reality for most couples with children I assume - the frequency of it, the doing it when you get back very late and tired and have been married 10 years. Artistic licence.

Pity it is still remarkable when women earn more than men though.... feminism has a long way to go yet.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 04-May-13 11:30:02

I only heard Hoynes - missed the other WW links
(not like me)
The power play sex was rather hmm
but I am enjoying it v much.

ppeatfruit Sat 04-May-13 12:07:28

I fancy DT but from the front his hair looked like a bad toupee and then there was a side shot and it looked fine! weird grin

poppys2012 Sat 04-May-13 12:41:39

I like the way the characters are slowly unfolding i shouted a rude word B*****d at the TV last week, i have the suspicion it is really like that in Parliament with all the sneaky goings on! I think the Nanny has the spotlight in next weeks episode

TrampyPants Sat 04-May-13 13:16:09

I knew that he would rape her from the sex scene in ep 1. I watched through my fingers though, I thought it was very, very well done. You can understand why she doesn't LTB or go to the police, because they have such a combative sex life anyway and she instigated sex, so its easy to think "he got carried away", i did a mini-vom at the hand spit.

I think the ds with ASD is wonderful, my heart breaks for him, he is so unhappy. Its also refreshing to see DT in the role of utter wanker.

StiffyByng Sat 04-May-13 13:23:40

I think it was definitely rape. She was obviously shocked and upset, during and after.

Xenia Sat 04-May-13 16:03:48

They may have agreed although I don't think the intention was to give that impression. She was behaving the next day as "you owe me now" and I am taking your office and so the impression was given that their sex was not part of some agreed plan. It was certainly well done.

I don't like the sexism throughout it all, that it assumes men aren't happy with women's careers and that it should be harder if the woman but not the man has the busier job. Men have arms. It is as easy for them to change a nappy as women.

TrampyPants Sat 04-May-13 17:05:04

wrt the rape, I agree. It was, to me, very clear that he had crossed that line. esp when he said "we all do things we're not proud of" when she told him that he had hurt her.

Sadly, Xenia, I think it's fairly accurate. There is a social assumption that the womans career isn't that important and that a man with a more successful wife will feel emasculated. It's fine if she is as successful (preferably slightly less) because it reflects well on him and their relationship is his accomplishment because "look at how evolved I am" is a great feather. But the series has highlighted how jealous some men can be if their wife started to eclipse them, especially since before he quit, she clearly did the majority of the childcare/household management despite also working ft in a similar, albeit less-prestigious job.

Xenia Sat 04-May-13 17:22:22

Yes, TP and yet many men aren't like that and programmes which portray that stereotype make women watching think ah that's fine that my husband does not let me progress at work because everyone is in the same boat so programmes with that message do not help women at all. If the next episode ends with the husband getting his come uppeance and the minister ending up as prime minster with a happy family which is the result plenty of successful women have - happy home lives, children and work that would be good. I suspect it will not end like that. Yet even in the British diplomatic service increasingly the trailing spouses can be male and women are 60% of graduates.

TrampyPants Sat 04-May-13 17:37:56

ah, I agree that many men are not like that, although I know far too many who are, but it is very clear that DT is the villain of the piece. He is an aggressive, controlling, bullying megalomaniac. His fury that his wife is now doing better than him is shown as A Very Bad Thing. Whats pissed me off the most, tbh, is the implication that she got the job because her dh messed up, and, to stick the boot into him. We hear that she passed up jobs in his favour, has neglected her own career to raise a family (as the vast majority of women do) and has generally lived in his shadow for far too long. And when she finally steps into the sun, its to annoy her husband.

TrampyPants Sat 04-May-13 17:42:50

I'd love her to LTB, then take over as PM, and after a spell of counselling via RC and WA (which, of course would be beneficiaries of her time as leader) start a passionate non-manipulative relationship with someone gorgeous who doesn't have the emotional intelligence of a gnat.

Xenia Sat 04-May-13 19:51:30

There is only one episode left so I doubt we are going to see too much of interest but her husband is not being set up to come out of it well so may be that is all we can expect.

Mominatrix Sun 05-May-13 07:04:55

Frankly, I think they are both vile and that the only redeeming characters are the son and the grandfather.

Those who are seeing something sexist in the programme are barking slightly up the wrong tree. To get into the inner circle of politics requires a certain kind of personality, one which does not particularly like to be overshadowed and in the back seat. A marriage with two people like this is only bound for disaster, which is what we are witnessing. In terms of the rape - yes that is what it was, the DT character was physically doing what his wife had figuratively done to him, f***ing him/her up the a**. Disgusting of both parties.

There are plenty of men who can have happy marriages with a strong and successful woman, however certain careers require a particular character to get to the top which is not happy in a relationship with someone else with that character. Usually women with these sorts of personalities are happy with men who are also successful, but in a different field. Just look at a place like Hollywood, another egocentric minefield. Marriages between 2 equally prominent figures don't last long unless one takes a backseat for a bit. I don't think it is a sexist thing, just a balance thing.

waikikamookau Sun 05-May-13 08:54:48

caught up with this on iplayer, very good, but I cant see how they are going to end it in one more episode. shock

and yes, agree, he may still be the one left holding the baby

waikikamookau Sun 05-May-13 08:55:27

oh and his dad really puts himself out for him doesn't he, always there, until late in the evening, and he must be quite an old man

waikikamookau Sun 05-May-13 08:58:09

he was absolutely shafted by his friend but I cannot think what his wife did wrong, apart from not taking his side on Newsnight style programme, but she admitted she was scared for her career.
and he now appears to be blaming her.
he is such a brilliant actor though david tenant. very believably angry when his wife kissed his friend.

diddl Sun 05-May-13 09:29:13

I was also thinking what has she done wrong?

Should she not have taken the job?

Surely what job she takes has no bearing on what he is offered?

Also, I thought she was supposed to be helping him "bring down" Bruce-is she no longer doing that?

waikikamookau Sun 05-May-13 09:30:57

it doesn't look like she is bringing down bruce now does it, he saw them talking and they went to Birmingham together.
and they kissed.

Xenia Sun 05-May-13 09:32:52

Her husband is well portrayed as not very nice. No reason she should support him at all. She has not done anything wrong except marrying a silly man who is sexist and only wants success for himself.

waikikamookau Sun 05-May-13 09:35:39

I doubt that either of them are very nice, being politicians and all

2rebecca Sun 05-May-13 11:37:25

It's unbelievable the way they have both had personality changes.
She apparently wrote his leadership bid/immigration speech and they previously had a loving relationship yet she doesn't bother telling him she's changed her mind about having her career nose dive along with his re the TV interview and seems keen to exclude him and humiliate him and rarely see her kids.
He's spending all his time trying to control her rather than be pleased for her and rebuild his career. He is still an MP after all, not a house husband.
The nanny offering herself to him was just bizarre.

I agree that it needs more than 3 episodes if it's not to have a Dr Who type rapidly wrapped up improbable ending.

Spiritedwolf Sun 05-May-13 15:06:53

I thought the pool rescue thing was weird... the nanny and pool life guards failed to rescue the boy before DT had come down from the upstairs gallery and jumps into the pool fully clothed... and yet, afterwards they talk about it as if he'd been slightly neglectful and it was his fault the son had nearly drowned? (was he meant to be in the pool with him or something?)

AND... I'd expect that if a high profile politician who had just hit the headlines with a resignation jumped fully clothed into a public swimming pool to save his ASD son from drowning while the pool staff stood by... I'd expect it would hit the headlines, especially if he had the personality of this chap who would want to further a future leadership bid! It was just weird the lack of aftermath. Its all a bit weird.

I was really disturbed that it wasn't made clear that rape within marriage is really wrong and a serious crime, maybe its realistic that people don't immediately end the relationship but there seemed to be little comeback, with both treating it like he'd called her a name in the middle of a fight or something.

I hope that as its the BBC and the calibre of the lead actors that they will treat the subject sensitively... but as it stands, I'm rather aware that sometimes abuse is shown on TV to tell an important story, part of which is that abuse is a-bad-thing... and other times its just to show women being abused presumably as entertainment sad angry I felt really uncomfortable about the message of that episode "Yeah, as a woman you can get ahead in your career at the expense of your husband, but then a bad thing like rape will happen to you to put you back in your place. Also, your ASD child will suffer because you have a career (though he didn't when your H did) and be in danger, and your H will be a hero for doing the domestic stuff that you were unappreciated for before".

I think part of the problem is she doesn't have a confidant to say... "your husband shouldn't have raped you, press charges and leave the basterd" this might have been signposting the point, but it was more important than "Ever wonder if we could solve poverty and unemployment if we spent less time on our careers" comment which was overlabouring the point really.

I want to like this because of the premis and actors... but its making me feel too angry atm, dh must have been fed up of me suspecting DT of all sorts, even when he was being nice BUT I WAS RIGHT that it was an act.

The 'sex once without adequate protection must equal pregnancy' thing would be very annoying and predictable... as anyone who has taken more than 1 month to concieve would agree (6 years in my case!)

2rebecca Sun 05-May-13 15:39:37

It's unbelievable that a career politician would use a diaphragm for contraception though. Once she got in the cabinet she should have been along for a mirena or the pill. Neither of them have time for the kids they have why would they want more?
Agree I expected local paper headlines when he rescued his son and wasn't sure why he got told off.
If he's supposed to be an MP I don't see why he's doing so much domestic stuff anyway, he's got a job to go to. As they are both MPs I don't see why they don't have an office each in the house anyway. Doesn't he still have Westminster off ice space? All MSPs (Scottish parliament) have some sort of office space at holyrood and I don't expect my MP or MSP to be watching their kids swim and cook fancy dinners whilst my taxes pay for them to work.

idlevice Sun 05-May-13 15:52:33

I think a lot of the plot inconsistincies & niggles could be down to it being a three-parter. It would be more satisfying to be at least twice that length so the story could be more fleshed out. It's a good premise with a good cast so would be very watchable as a longer series.

"Uttter wanker" is a polite description for DT's character. He was so vile in the scene where he plonks down Freya's coffee with an apathetic "sorry" on the morning after. I thought DT acted that very well without appearing either appearing smug. The crisp white shirt look was delectable even if he was being a heinous bastard. I really need to watch it twice - once for ogling purposes & again for more ogling to actually take in the story.

Xenia Sun 05-May-13 16:02:11

sw, yes, TV has a moral duty sometimes to make those things clear. In my view it is equally wrong that it portrayed it as being harder for women to exceed their husbands than vice versa when huge numbers of high paid women live with lower earning men now but tV lives to promote prejudice I suppose.

Arguably it was more realistic in portraying couples tolerating things which they could instead report so perhaps the fact she did nothing about it makes it all the more interesting.

It is still pretty well done. I enjoyed it.

StiffyByng Sun 05-May-13 16:17:56

Yes, 2rebecca, the way he's behaving as if he's essentially unemployed is a major irritation to me. Backbench MPs actually have pretty busy lives, not just the odd constituency surgery.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sun 05-May-13 16:25:57

grin at 'Ooh a plumbers wiipe' and 'is this pork'?'

I'm really enjoying it. Nice and melodramatic. Love Emily W. David T's hair is painful though, as is his accent.

LineRunner Sun 05-May-13 16:39:52

Yes the 'unemployed MP' routine is ridiculous. They have offices, staff and caseloads to run.

Eliza22 Sun 05-May-13 18:55:07 it me, or does DT keep lapsing into Scottish accent?

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sun 05-May-13 19:20:49

No, he does, it's embarrassing. Couldn't his character just be Scottish and save us all the misery?

Eliza22 Sun 05-May-13 19:47:00

Actually, I rate him highly but am getting a bit tired of his mush on everything. grin

nennypops Mon 06-May-13 09:09:30

I'm hoping that the scene where he goes to lie beside his sleeping son is a signpost to him becoming a better person, because previously he's tended to view him as a nuisance. This series does seem to go in for dirty great metaphors like that, e.g. with their sex lives. Anyone notice how when they had sex after he lost his job, it was her on top? Then of course there was the AR, followed by the time when he couldn't do it, followed by the sabotage to her diaphragm. So I strongly suspect the issue with the nanny is going to be equally symbolic, though I can't quite work out how.

changeforthebetter Mon 06-May-13 18:56:31

Bit annoyed that DT slips into Scottish accent periodically and annoyed by the shirt over skirt (spent a good part of the 90s working that look - it was crap grin)

changeforthebetter Mon 06-May-13 18:58:58

Ps <whispers> apart from 'Hoynes' what are the other WW references? Complete WW devotee but not picking them up blush

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 06-May-13 20:28:43


Ps <whispers> apart from 'Hoynes' what are the other WW references? Complete WW devotee but not picking them up blush

Me neither - Bruce the best friend is Babbish a la Oliver the White House Counsel
There was apparently a mention of both Seaborn <swoon> and Moss but I missed 'em both, too.

changeforthebetter Mon 06-May-13 20:37:11

Grr hate missing WW insider-references <annoyed, WW-freak face> TPH is not bad but c'mon, referencing WW doesn't make it <that> good. DT is a massive fan, come to think of it. Didn't he win the pre-final ep on Channel 4?? He even knew Snuffy G Walden FGS

wintera Mon 06-May-13 23:08:11

I get annoyed when these dramas show the wife always going to bed/sleeping in a negligee. I don't know any woman at all who goes to bed in a negligee type nightie.

2rebecca Mon 06-May-13 23:22:34

Agree, if it's cold enough for night attire then i wear something warm. If it's warm i sleep naked, so do most people I know of my generation (born 1960s)

ppeatfruit Tue 07-May-13 10:51:02

Maybe DT has a thing for negligees grin

wintera Tue 07-May-13 11:28:03

Well maybe he does, most men do I should think but seriously, most busy Mums don't get into bed with a friggin negligee on. I fall into bed at night with a baggy t shirt on or in the nip if I'm boiling! Lol.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 07-May-13 14:21:16


Grr hate missing WW insider-references <annoyed, WW-freak face> TPH is not bad but c'mon, referencing WW doesn't make it <that> good. DT is a massive fan, come to think of it. Didn't he win the pre-final ep on Channel 4?? He even knew Snuffy G Walden FGS

I heart him even more now

ppeatfruit Tue 07-May-13 16:05:36

I did mean the character DT plays of course; its not RL folks!!! I hate anything nylony especially in bed the same as you*wintera*!

polyhymnia Wed 08-May-13 13:58:15

Two shalliw comments
Agree it's odd EW sleeps in what looks like a black full length slip.
And that DT's (of whom Im a big fan) frosted hair is not a good look. Not sure if it's meant to suggest greying - if so have never seen anyone go grey like that - but it lolike more like he's had some not vet well done highlights!

sonu678 Wed 08-May-13 14:00:40

only seen the first episode, but was really disappointed. For once, it would have been good to see a man supporting his wife in her career. instead, its the same old story

polyhymnia Wed 08-May-13 14:01:52

'looks like' not 'lolike'
'very' not 'vet' .
Wretched phone!!

Choccyjules Thu 09-May-13 22:42:51

Gosh, what a surprising ending (not).

grants1000 Thu 09-May-13 22:52:25

Last and thankfully final episode which was tedious in the extreme, so much long staring by every character and endless sort of sex and wimpish kissing; scene with Babbish, puke central. Why would she even let him do that to her, even with the supposed chippy line about her IQ & 'nice try' Thank goodness for Sky Fast Forward. I'm either going deaf or Emily Watson mumbled in a barely audible tone throughout (volume control up and down every 2 mins) the same tone whether angry, sad, bothered or happy.

Drag it out for 3 episodes then cram loads into a snap shot in the last 8 mins like some sort of afterthought?

Really sold the women in politics angle, not. Could have been good but it was very flat & dragged out with a sort of misfired sad firework ending.

Plus she needed a much better bra!

2rebecca Fri 10-May-13 00:05:38

Agree with the bra, she had very strange round breasts in one outfit. Irritated that there was yet another cliche of someone having a heart attack and dying just because they'd had an argument. In real life it rarely happens, in films they have a good shout then drop down dead all the time, women always miscarry after arguments as well.
I think the writers were so pleased at their "twist" (because a woman couldn't really be PM could she?) that they missed a chunk of plot out.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 10-May-13 01:35:02

i am obsessed with the idea that emily watson was pregnant filming that... but can't find any evidence that i'm right.

waikikamookau Fri 10-May-13 06:39:15

the dad heart attack was not on,

can't decide who should have been pm.
I quite liked the very ending but the dad pissed me off dying.

diddl Fri 10-May-13 08:10:58

I thought that too Aitch-was the baggy tops over everything!

But then the negligee was quite fitted?

Davros Fri 10-May-13 08:22:41

I enjoyed it but thank god it was only 3 episodes. I just can't cope with anything that's longer like those interminable (boring) American series and, yes, I do mean Mad Men etc. I must have a teenager's attention span in a 53 year old body!
I think the whole sexist angle, the sex, the behaviour were all informed by the fact that they were POLITICIANS, not remotely normal people, so I accepted it.
Some of the dialogue was dire "go for it", something or other's "in good shape" etc. as the parent of a DS with ASD I thought Noah was brilliant and the things they said about how it made them feel were really realistuc, watching those lads play football etc. I knew the writer must have some insight into it from somewhere. I agree that the swimming pool rescue was telegraphed but also believe its quite likely no-one would notice, they were not watching him as they didn't see the point as he didn't do anything or interact, the more people there are around the less vigilant they are often. Loved DT jumping in the pool fully clothed. I also like the low level outcome to this and several other incidents, TV often yells and screams about everything rather than letting some things pass like in RL. Not that I'm saying she should have let the AR go but i felt it was all to do with their constant deal making, weighing up possible outcomes, tolerating something because its not in their interests not to iyswim.

rufussmum Fri 10-May-13 10:04:44

As my TV has a crap sound system I usually watch dramas with the subtitles switched on. It's a revelation!
The dialogue had some real clunkers and everyone seemed to speak in melodramatic cliches. When you see 'we're both sacrificed on the altar of his ambition' in black and white (or yellow) it's really clumsy.
Subtitles are good opportunity to spot the typos and grammatical errors typed in by some idiot though.

SilverOldie Fri 10-May-13 12:02:50

I thought the ending was ridiculous, no way would an MP who had only been a Secretary of State for one not major Department become PM.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 10-May-13 12:13:02

Her hair looked great at the end though. <shallow>
Ack, tis only telly and while it's not WW I did rather enjoy it.

dotty2 Fri 10-May-13 12:21:41

I enjoyed it all but mostly in a 'pick holes in the plot and snort at its clunkiness' kind of way. And definitely agree about the heart attack - I was inwardly groaning and hoping it wouldn't happen as he started looking ropey in the garden.

But, full of holes at it was, her becoming PM wasn't that unlikely, Silver Oldie. Margaret Thatcher - previously 'only' Education Secretary (though of course she did win an election). Sometimes the people in the major roles have too many enemies to make it as the next leader.

Fiderer Fri 10-May-13 12:22:21

I've had enjoyed it more if it had been longer. E.g. the leap for her to become PM and him Deputy. And more about his relationship with his son.

Didn't think EW and DT very believable as a couple. Tbh best part of the last episode was watching the credits for WW names <also shallow>

TrampyPants Fri 10-May-13 12:32:07

Blair had never held a cabinet post before becoming PM, had he?

LineRunner Fri 10-May-13 12:47:15

As predicted, it rushed through an inexplicable turn of events and length of time in a few minutes in order to get some kind of supposedly 'wow' ending.

wintera Fri 10-May-13 12:57:34

What was the point of the Nanny plotline? That was all very strange I thought. Was it all just so his dad would be at their house more to look after the kids so would hear what was going on? That whole plot just didn't go anywhere and are we really supposed to believe she would just lie and sell her story to the papers after he turned her down last week? Bit weak that was in my opinion.

MadameOvary Fri 10-May-13 12:58:18

Is there supposed to be a sequel? Would have been so much better if it had ended with him with his head in his hands, musing on what he'd lost.

I was really annoyed that it went from the dad's funeral and DT being told to move out, to suddenly them snogging on the steps of Downing Street.

What the jeff?

I reckon the scriptwriter just got bored.

LineRunner Fri 10-May-13 13:09:42

Yes, I'd like to the 'Missing Months'.

LineRunner Fri 10-May-13 13:09:52

to see the

wintera Fri 10-May-13 13:09:57

Yes it was very hit and miss plot wise. By far the best bits were the scenes with their son I thought.

Xenia Fri 10-May-13 13:28:44

It was good and with the right result - women rule and feminism is what is write and works best for most couples. Equality rules.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 10-May-13 13:43:18

it felt like the nanny plot had great big chunks taken out of it during the edit, i thought.

ppeatfruit Fri 10-May-13 14:41:01

Well from reading this and the bit I saw I don't reckon I missed much grin Sounds a bit hmm to me. Give me Goodnight Sweetheart any time!

SilverOldie Fri 10-May-13 16:07:39

No I don't believe Blair did have previous ministerial experience and look where that got us.

TrampyPants Fri 10-May-13 16:53:44

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 10-May-13 01:35:02
i am obsessed with the idea that emily watson was pregnant filming that... but can't find any evidence that i'm right.

I think she was up the pole too. She had pregnancy face.

UltimaThule Fri 10-May-13 17:07:35

I must be the only person who thought this was cack. The script was atrocious. Absolutely excruciating. Every point of interest about the characters spelled out in language that no person who'd known his/her interlocutor for decades/a lifetime would ever use. I gave up when the friend ordered a bottle of wine in such a way as to show him up to be a twat and it wasn't even a good bottle.

Davros Fri 10-May-13 17:31:25

I liked how it went from DT being told to move out to them on the steps of no 10. I don't want to see the crap in-between.

wintera Fri 10-May-13 17:41:36

I remember The Politician's wife being much better than this one. Am I right or just being nostalgic?

nennypops Fri 10-May-13 21:47:39

I'm assuming from the way they were looking at each other right at the end that the price of staying together was her getting to be PM. What do we think?

2rebecca Fri 10-May-13 22:12:27

Dunno, there was lots of meaningful staring at the end but I thought it just looked artificial and wasn't convinced the looks really conveyed any emotion although I'm sure they were doing their best "prolonged meaningful stare" as instructed by the director.
Longtime married couples don't generally do prolonged meaningful stares, especially not when they've got a load of people coming round.
Sadly I suspect the kids were now totally ignored without even grandad to play football with them.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Fri 10-May-13 22:51:09

i thought it was that they HATED each other.

StiffyByng Sat 11-May-13 08:25:08

Oh, what a pile of TOSH that turned out to be. The dialogue was dreadful, the plot implausible and the narrative seemed to have been edited to remove any flow. And what a SURPRISE! The WIFE was the Prime Minister? How very unconventional. Watching DT's character crying at the end was completely unmoving. Were we supposed to feel an ounce of sympathy for this rotter? We only watched the third episode to find out how it ended but it was a painful journey.

And criminal charges for the other guy? Um, yes. It's illegal now to say 'this could be mutually advantageous' with a knowing look. Not to mention the fact that the fiendish trap revolved around something a GCSE student might come up with and get told it was a bit simplistic. (Although perhaps that bit isn't quite so unrealistic given some recent policy proposals!)

Davros Sat 11-May-13 09:43:35

So isn't it good it was only 3 episodes? I thought the look at the end meant "we've done our deal and each of us better stick to it", oh and that she hated him, not sure about the other way round.

fancyanother Sat 11-May-13 10:15:08

yes i thought at the end the looks were that they were sticking it out for appearances, but that they hated each other. Re: DT's accent. How did he manage to do 4 years of Doctor Who without slipping from the estuary English, yet cant do a 3 part drama without it leaking through??

Eliza22 Sat 11-May-13 10:40:32

It's a shame really, as EW, DT and the actor playing Grandad (Jack Shepherd) are all excellent but, the script was shite and I guess even good acting can't overcome that. My ds has Aspergers and I thought DT's reaction (struggling and realising his son's future was never going to be like that of the boys kicking a football around, in the park) was plausible. The only thing that moved him to tears was his son.

The final scene was laboured but DT's look was one of utter, sickening realisation that his wife was sitting where he had expected to be and his life henceforth was going to be secondary, to her. Many men have that look about them, in the face of a woman who surpasses them. I liked that.

It was corny and predictable though and it could have been excellent. The only "real" person, for me, was Jack Shepherd's "grandad".

louisianablue2000 Sat 11-May-13 11:11:33

It was no Borgen was it, although I suspect Emily Watson was used partly for her similarity to Sidse Babett Knudsen. Her bun wasn't as fabulous though shallow, never mind the politics.

Eliza22 Sat 11-May-13 12:47:12

True, true. It wasn't Borgen, that's for sure. Please let's have the next series of Borgan ASAP. The characters are all so real and the script writing allows them that authenticity.

A small note regarding DT's hair. I wonder how it would have been depicted on "Spitting Image". Plenty worth satirising, there!

UhOhChongo Sat 11-May-13 21:30:44

I was disappointed by it too. Seemed like a Painting by Numbers version with all the subtleties of shading taken out.

Kudos to the child actor who played the son, though.

diddl Sun 12-May-13 09:20:07

It was pretty much the same as the Polotician's Wife, wasn't it?

She's supported his career at the expense of her own, he ruined his himself, she got the job he wanted.

I hated the thing with the GF-playing dead.

I've never found that funny(maybe just me)-so the poor sod's body was in the garden all night!

wintera Sun 12-May-13 10:31:00

Yeah it was similar in plot but just remember it being fantastic and gripping which this wasn't. Juliet Stephenson was bloody brilliant and Trevor Eve was suitably sleazy lol. Just did a search for The politician's wife on YouTube but its not there unfortunately.

diddl Sun 12-May-13 12:06:46

Yes, PW was much better iirc.

Llareggub Sun 12-May-13 14:29:33

She sat down rather gingerly in that final scene. I suspect he was still exerting power over here in the bedroom.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Sun 12-May-13 21:29:54


Fiderer Mon 13-May-13 05:32:58

It crossed my mind too! In the scene where she sits alone in the Cabinet Room, she was all slinky and sensual.

Don't think it was nerves or a touch of sciatica at the end.

Was trying to figure out why I keep thinking about the PH. Probably because it could have been so good, cast was good but it was like the plot slipped too many gears and was annoyingly predictable. Maybe they filmed it over a wet weekend.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Mon 13-May-13 09:42:33

I thought she sat gingerly because it's one thing to imagine being in the PM's chair and quite another when you actually find yourself there.
Especially with all she had to go through to get there.

I think they were separated by that point anyway, possibly living in the same house but not together. I hope so anyway; I'd hate to think that she compromised herself by staying with him so she could be PM.

I also like to think that she made him her deputy against his will. Ultimate punishment for all his dastardly deeds: being so close to power but not actually having it.

SpanishFly Mon 13-May-13 23:16:43

rufus Subtitles are good opportunity to spot the typos and grammatical errors typed in by some idiot though.

What a horrible thing to say. Subtitles are LIFESAVERS to some people, and a few typos/grammatical errors are HUMAN when under pressure to do a job quickly. I'm willing to bet people who do the subtitles are working to targets etc. To be called an idiot due to a typo or two is fucking insulting to those who do them and those who rely on them.
And it's also safe to assume that they do a lot more than "typing"

kelda Tue 14-May-13 17:22:06

The actor who played the son - wasn't he the son in the Melissa George series, Hunted?

Disappointed by the last episode.

The whole Nanny subplot wasn't necessary, and only reinforced negetive stereotyping of nannies.

kelda Tue 14-May-13 17:23:05

Also thought the grandad was the best character in the series.

aren't a lot of subtitles done by voice recognition software? Rather than a person?

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 11:26:48

Yes but there's still a person repeating what the person says to create the subtitles, and they'll have to be synched tothe clip too.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 15-May-13 14:54:53

ah no actually i watched the subtitles there too, some of them were utter nonsense. don't care if it's a hard job (and it isn't), whoever did this show wasn't vg.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 15:22:58

Do you have examples?

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 15:39:52

Although to be fair, it was more rufus's sneering tone that irritated me rather than whether they were accurate or not.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 15:40:39

And aitch do you KNOW that it isn't a hard job or are you guessing?

kelda Wed 15-May-13 15:51:56

Allowances can be made for live on air subtitling, but if the programme has been pre-recorded and has a relatively large budget, you would expect the subtitling to be completely correct.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 16:01:09

Yep it should be pretty accurate, of course it should. And if it wasn't then that's not great.
But no human is 100% accurate in every piece of work they do so there will often be mistakes here and there. Loads of errors is not acceptable though. However the budget of the programme is irrelevant. Although some programmes will be deemed more important than others, they are working to very hard targets yet are expected to be precise too.

kelda Wed 15-May-13 16:04:20

'But no human is 100% accurate in every piece of work they do so there will often be mistakes here and there.'

Which is why everything should be proof read by someone else.

Poor subtitling is probably yet another example of budget cutting.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 16:11:30

Precisely. But that's why I was riled by the assumption that it's "some idiot" doing it and that it's an "easy"job.
I know someone who does it, and it's not at all easy. Not to mention the horrible shifts etc.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 16:12:15

And the proofing has to be done to ridiculous targets too, so mistakes are being missed!

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Wed 15-May-13 21:30:17

i know it's not a hard job. live work is tricky, but only the very best get to do it. iirc the PW (not live) had quite a few basic homophones and the subtitler had picked the wrong one, which suggests that their English is not up to snuff.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 22:27:02

Agreed - wrong homophones are not acceptable. But again it's not an easy job.

SpanishFly Wed 15-May-13 22:28:30

And actually everyone does live and recorded work - the "best" do things like the 6 o'clock news etc, but everyone does live work

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Thu 16-May-13 00:17:59

you are terribly invested in this, spanishfly, all she said was that someone had done a shit job on the PW subtitles, which they did. sub-titling is really not that hard a job, it's just listening and typing and a bit of filing. the shifts are a bitch, but tell that to a nurse.

SpanishFly Thu 16-May-13 07:52:07

No she said some idiot did it without really elaborating. I just hate when people shit on other people's jobs or belittle them when they have no clue what the job involves. Nursing is irrelevant here. I said the shifts were terrible cos probably most people wouldn't have realised that. I didnt say they were the worst shifts anyone has ever done.

SpanishFly Thu 16-May-13 07:53:05

And to correct your misconceptions about the job doesn't make me terribly invested. hmm

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Thu 16-May-13 08:50:39

the person who subtitled the PH made basic errors that they should be carpeted for. no one shat on anyone's job, they shat on that person's work. work that we, the license payer, pay Red Bee Media very handsomely indeed to do. we're perfectly entitled to have a negative opinion on shoddy work and the people who do it, and believe me, anyone who is telling you that sub-titling is a hard job just doesn't have a clue what hard work is.

SpanishFly Thu 16-May-13 09:17:28

I agree with you - if the job wasnt done to a good standard, then it's not acceptable.

I wish someone could give examples, tho.

SpanishFly Thu 16-May-13 09:32:40

and my point about it being a "hard job" was referring to the high-pressure targets with the added pressure for everything to be precise etc, plus the extreme shifts - not that it was "a hard day's work". It's as hard/not hard as any other office-based job.

Not reading the thread as I have only watched Episode One, which I did on iplayer. I then tried to watch Episode Two but I am now being told it's not availiable on iplayer!
Has this happened to anyone else? Or am I alone in being denied viewing of further episodes?

kelda Sat 18-May-13 08:31:46

Isn't iPlayer only available for a week after the broadcast?

But if that was the case, how could I watch episode one which was broadcast over three weeks ago?

diddl Sat 18-May-13 09:14:54

Doesn't seem to be on any more at all.

Try "The Dare TV".

I shall, thanks for the tip.

TheSilveryPussycat Mon 20-May-13 00:49:27

Have just watched last episode, and although it was a load of hokum from start to finish, that's partly why I enjoyed it. Thought it was better than the Politician's Wife, but can't remember too much about the plot of that, although found it disconcerting to watch my heartthrob, Shoestring being so sleazy Must has changed since then, cos I had no problem lusting over appreciating DT in this!

Agree about subtitles by Red Bee in general. Apostrophes, and sometimes misheard words, stuff that should not need proof-reading out as it should not really have been there in the first place.

TheSilveryPussycat Mon 20-May-13 00:50:14

*Must has = (I) Must have

SpanishFly Mon 20-May-13 16:11:30

But people using voice recognition aren't responsible for the limitations of the software, so "things that shouldn't be there in the first place" would never have been typed by someone, but may randomly appear due to the voice recognition software.

But OF COURSE they should be corrected before the programme airs. i just wanted to explain why seemingly random errors sometimes appear, and unfortunately theyre not always noticed/corrected

TheSilveryPussycat Mon 20-May-13 16:54:10

They really use voice recognition for sub-titling non-live programmes? Is it that good? Perhaps things have moved on, but that much?

SpanishFly Mon 20-May-13 17:34:14

Yes voice recognition is used to input the text, BUT it should be/is thoroughly checked and synced before transmission. So there still shouldn't be errors like you describe going to air. They should all have been eliminated beforehand. But odd mistakes can often be put down to poor recognition which hasn't been noticed and corrected

SpanishFly Mon 20-May-13 17:36:17

But in things like the politician's husband,an inaccurate script was possibly provided, but again the errors should have been corrected

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 20-May-13 20:39:06

yes, they should. because it's EASY. grin

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