Like the look of the new ITV comedy 'Vicious'

(53 Posts)
sensesworkingovertime Thu 25-Apr-13 20:08:00

Stars Ian McKellen and Derek 'Del Boy' Jacobi, coming on next Monday, it looks pretty funny from the clips I've seen so far on website. I'm a huge DJ fan anyway (have been since the BBC repeated 'I Claudius' in 1986) so I'm looking forward to it smile

I can't wait for this. I love SIM. I think he is awesome!

iklboo Thu 25-Apr-13 20:11:56

Looking forward to this too. Saw SIM being interviewed about it & it sounds like they had a whale of a time filming it.

insanityscratching Thu 25-Apr-13 20:15:04

I said the same to dh who disagreed and said he thought it looked rubbish hmm Mind you he's a grumpy git at the best of times so will come on here to wax lyrical about it instead.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Thu 25-Apr-13 20:16:11

Well up for this. Decent writing pedigree too. Who'd have thought it - we're agog with anticipation for an new ITV sitcom shock

RedPencils Thu 25-Apr-13 20:16:27

Looks good, must remember to record it.

DH has put this on the TV reminder setting.
Yes it does look funny from the clips.
And after the Watershed so might be a bit rude wink

limitedperiodonly Sat 27-Apr-13 13:44:27

SIM?

I'm, looking forward to this. Thanks for the reminder.

limitedperiodonly Sat 27-Apr-13 13:46:27

Oh, Sir Ian McKellan. blush

He's good at comedy. I watched Coronation Street for him and I've seen him in panto. Brilliant.

diddl Sat 27-Apr-13 19:14:08

I like the look of it also.

Well, from the clips, at least.

Clawdy Sun 28-Apr-13 10:18:49

I like them both but the one-liners in the clips seemed feeble and unfunny to me,slightly off-putting.

mrsjay Sun 28-Apr-13 10:39:24

I cant wait it looks FABULOUS wink be lots of 'old queen' jokes and it has SIM in it what is not to like, dh was a bit hmm though but he is a grump and thinks only fools and horses is still hilarious ,

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 28-Apr-13 18:43:44

its on the planner so will see whats its like

need something good for a monday now broadchurch has finished

Picturesinthefirelight Sun 28-Apr-13 18:45:12

I think it looks good dh said the clips remind him of a few friends he has. It's exactly the sort of thing they would say.

BedHanger Sun 28-Apr-13 18:45:50

Senses, snap. Was too young to watch the repeat in 86 but watched the video a few years later. I LOVE Derek, he is a genius.

JuliaScurr Sun 28-Apr-13 18:48:23

can anyone imagine a female equivalent? Who would star?

mrsjay Sun 28-Apr-13 19:13:12

sadni toksvic and erm <shrug>

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

limitedperiodonly Sun 28-Apr-13 19:25:35

No juliascurr I can't. I can think of women who could star in a putative comedy about lesbians but they would be actors, not necessarily gay ones.

Most people aren't at all friendly towards gay females in any walk of life, so a lesbian comedy isn't going to make it, even on BBC4.

I'll discuss the portrayal of homosexuality in popular entertainment from the personal POV of a straight woman if you like, but I need to know more about your view before I can.

limitedperiodonly Sun 28-Apr-13 19:41:18

Sorry julia I didn't mean it to come over as arsey as it might have done.

I'm interested in the many comedy portrayals of gay men, and whether they're helpful or whether, on balance, gay women are better off out of it.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sun 28-Apr-13 19:53:01

Did nobody watch Sue Perkins' recent lesbian sitcom then? It was only a few weeks ago.

If you were casting a female version of Vicious then your stars would probably be Miriam Margolyes (obvs) and Francis De La Tour, who may not be gay, but is definitely fabulous.

Pan Sun 28-Apr-13 19:53:51

no, I can't think of a lesbian equivalent, but that's neither here nor there.
We have just suffered Sue Perkins' stint as a vet, which was supposedly lesbian-based, but it really wasn't imo, and was really not funny at all. (apart from the Brummie vet who was male and hilarious.)

Pan Sun 28-Apr-13 19:55:51

X- posts! Francis de la Tour would be excellent, if she wasn't too old? Saw her on stage years ago. Brilliant actor.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sun 28-Apr-13 20:04:40

Well she's a co-lead in Vicious, so no she's not too old.

Pan Sun 28-Apr-13 20:14:01

Well that answers my question!grin

BedHanger Mon 29-Apr-13 21:13:19

Anyone watching?

LineRunner Mon 29-Apr-13 21:15:31

Yes and I am on other thread but is this the thread?

navada Mon 29-Apr-13 21:19:10

I'm watching. smile

Can't make my mind up yet.

BedHanger Mon 29-Apr-13 21:28:22

Ooh, is there another thread?

I think they need to relax into it, but it has potential.

navada Mon 29-Apr-13 21:29:49

I liked it. Will defo watch next week.

BedHanger Mon 29-Apr-13 21:31:02

Did not like the rape joke, though. Wtf was that?

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 29-Apr-13 22:28:13

Totally crap

Won't be watching again

Deleted off planner !!

Lighthousekeeping Mon 29-Apr-13 22:52:32

Most people aren't at all friendly towards gay females in any walk of life, so a lesbian comedy isn't going to make it, even on BBC4. confused I don't really understand that quote. I've never known any gay females to be treated badly at my work which I'm sure is the same as any other work place.

The Sue Perkins comedy was dire but I think that was down. The acting and poor script.

I didn't enjoy this show and won't be watching it again. It felt dated.

ComposHat Mon 29-Apr-13 22:52:55

Job lot, after it seems quite grimly funny, having signed on (in the West Midlands) it brought back some bad memories. Jo Enright has got the Dole Office clerk down to a tee.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Mon 29-Apr-13 23:16:52

Job Lot was good but not entertaining (too depressing). Vicious was entertaining but not good in the conventional sense. I think I'll probably stick with Vicious though.

ComposHat Mon 29-Apr-13 23:44:20

The cast and acting is good in Vicious, but the script feels a bit half arsed and a terrible waste of three great actors.

I might give it another try next week and see if it develops, but it feels a bit dated. That laughter track - why? Not only was it irritating, but obliterated some of the pathos that shone through.

navada Tue 30-Apr-13 07:58:32

Yes, the rape joke was totally unnecessary - but then it is on after 9pm & therefore 'adult' entertainment ?
but you also had 2 men in their 70's drooling over a man in his 20's. it was all a bit yuck, but for some strange reason it worked & I really enjoyed it. The 'job lot' was really good too. Monday nights has just got a whole lot better grin

mrsjay Tue 30-Apr-13 09:14:12

I quite liked it well I liked freddie and stuart they are stuck in their flat 24/7 and have no clue what is going on round about them and I do know gay men who are dramatic like that , It wasn't as good as I hoped though, about 9 minutes was missing from my recording i didnt see a rape joke ?

navada Tue 30-Apr-13 09:23:00

Miss Jones from rising damp is their friend, she kept worrying about being raped by the new flat mate - Stuart said 'don't be silly, no one will rape you' ( as if to say she's too old & unattractive ) & she replied 'oh thanks' in a slightly disappointed tone. That was it.

mrsjay Tue 30-Apr-13 09:24:08

oh ok thats not really funny ,

montage Tue 30-Apr-13 09:36:53

On the basis of that "joke" it sounds like absolute rubbish. Surely there have been objections to that?

navada Tue 30-Apr-13 09:44:53

I'm sure they'll be a few complaints yes. It wasn't funny ( can the subject of rape ever be funny ? ) - & ruined what was otherwise a fairly enjoyable comedy.

AnonYonimousBird Tue 30-Apr-13 09:48:15

I love both actors.

But it's ITV.

And it's "comedy".

So there is a high chance of canned laughter and it being utterly cringeworthy.

AnonYonimousBird Tue 30-Apr-13 09:49:04

Oh, sorry, failed to get to the end of the thread before posting.

It's been on already? Glad I didn't know - I'd have been very embarrassed for them!

BedHanger Tue 30-Apr-13 11:34:11

Canned laughter is so naff. And unnecessary!

LadyIsabellaWrotham Tue 30-Apr-13 14:12:17

It's not canned laughter - it was recorded in front of a studio audience?

ComposHat Tue 30-Apr-13 14:59:03

An easily entertained studio audience? One that had come to see George and Mildred 30 years ago and got lost?

LadyIsabellaWrotham Tue 30-Apr-13 15:17:29

I can well believe that a big stagy comedy like that, overplayed by theatrical geniuses was absolutely, totally, continence-threateningly hilarious live. Unfortunately "you had to be there" is not a great thing to say about a TV sitcom.

ComposHat Tue 30-Apr-13 15:33:11

I can see that Lady and if that is the case, perhaps more reason to have filmed without a studio audience - two accomplished stage actors will play to the live audience to the detriment to the viewer in TV land.

limitedperiodonly Tue 30-Apr-13 19:53:22

It was awful, wasn't it?

I've never seen the Sue Perkins thing so I can't judge, but as a straight woman with gay acquaintainces of both sexes I'd say that gay men who fit a certain stereotype have an easier time of it than gay women.

I'd also hazard that the stereotype of sad old queens and limp-wristed old theatrical types is infuriating to many gay men.

That was the problem with Vicious. People are comfortable with the stereotype of bitchy queens but I'm disappointed with McKellen and Jacobi for being so lazy. Possibly they might dismiss my view as the carping of a straight woman.

There are lots of performers that I like. Some of them happen to be gay. I don't find Sue Perkins particularly funny but I really like Susan Calman. However, her wit is always going to be niche because she makes a thing about being gay as well as being generally very funny. That's okay with me but I don't think it's okay with a lot of people.

ComposHat Tue 30-Apr-13 20:49:50

I agree, in the run up to the first episode there was something on Front Row about vicious being groundbreaking and brave. It really isn't. It seems like a throwback to John Inman/Frankie Howerd amd does nothing to break down the screaming queen stereotype.

It isn't as brave as Julian & Sandy and that was on 50 years ago when homosexual acts were illegal.

Davros Wed 01-May-13 10:05:54

I will give it another chance as a first episode is often the worst. I do agree about the old poofter cliches though. It is written by two men, at least one of whom is gay. Whatever that might mean??!!

bulletproofgerbil Wed 01-May-13 21:03:58

I'm with you limitedperiod. The stereotype of two bitchy queens is bad. I'm also surprised at I McK and DJ agreeing to be in something so bad. If I was a guy man I think I'd be really narked at this dated, inappropriate portrayal of a gay relationship. Won't be watching again.

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