BROADCHURCH mon 9pm itv thread 2

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DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 12:03:18

Is it ok for me to start a new thread.

Can anyone tell me why Ellie says about Will Mellor's character:

"if you go into the bookshop in town all his books are in there"?
he is KNOWN to the police for this, plus the petty convictions, vehicle theft and conspiracy to defraud, they say in EP 4. So why is he allowed to write and sell these books?

FreedomOfTheTess Tue 16-Apr-13 12:09:41

You can't stop someone writing and selling books can you?

Ok, last night's episode; Nigel, we know who he is now and there is something not right there, understandably, however, doesn't make him the killer. It seems to keep going back to Tom, Ollie and the Vicar. Poor Ellie. I really hope at the least Tom didn't hurt Danny.

Tom, Joe and Vicar, that should say. I would be surprised if it was Ollie the reporter!!

Ujjayi Tue 16-Apr-13 12:48:56

Ollie's involvement doesn't strike me as likely either. The vicar has appeared dodgy from the start - nervy and unsettled. Although, as a recovering alcoholic perhaps that's all part of the issue.

Have all cast members had a secret revealed? Because my theory (bearing in mind I had a mere 3.5 hours sleep last night) is that if everyone else has had a secret revealed then the one who hasn't is the one what did it <<taps nose and nods tiredly wisely >>

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 13:03:50

it must be his dad then... no - his mum?
His dad's secret is the affair. His mum has no secret. I recon it's a paternity thing.

Thing is, who believed Danny's dad when he said he'd only done it once (the affair thing)? I recon there's more to it than that. Also Danny's mum said that she had only ever slept with Danny's dad but I am not convinced for some reason. Hmmmmm.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 13:06:08

What about the IT teacher who had to leave because all he did was sit there giggling to himself - leaving the way clear for the vicar to teach the IT class? Presumably he would have had to have been checked out before he could teach? Not that this makes him immune to being dodgy.

i think the comment by Ellie that ' you know what's happening in your own home' is actually a red herring meant to lead us in to thinking that Joe is involved.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 13:13:10

answering my own question from earlier: Joe was a paramedic.

Someone at work has just said that Joe Miller & Vicar are having an affair. Danny found out, told Tom which caused them to fall out. Danny got murdered after threatening to reveal all! <head explodes>

This couldn't be right, could it ?

Ujjayi Tue 16-Apr-13 13:37:20

Wow! That's some theory Northumberlandlass. I think we were meant to assume that something was going on between Vicar and Beth but has seemed less likely as time has gone on. Perhaps he and Joe have been getting it on? <<clueless>>

I have never been so stumped by a drama. I can usually suss it within at least an episode or two.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 13:45:31

Blimey - maybe!
Joe moved to broadchurch 13 years ago, so he's a relative outsider compared to the rest. He met her through work.

Does the vicar live in the church - he seems to be there a lot at night.

the 'I know men who could rape you' comment from PQ - a little odd given what we know now?

Re the phone (not the smart phone) Jack said it was beeping at the bottom of the bag, could have been beeping to say the battery was in need of charging?

Was the murder in Whitby (15 years ago) a complete white herring? Is the 15 years important? Lots of things seem to have happened 15 years ago.

TimothyClaypoleLover Tue 16-Apr-13 13:51:14

DuelingFanjo - I was just about to say the same thing about the PQ rape comment a couple of weeks back. That is very odd given the way PQ is now being seen as a victim of her husband and supposedly ruled out.

greenhill Tue 16-Apr-13 13:53:23

I agree with ujjayi most of the cast have had secrets revealed over the last few episodes. It must be time for the spotlight to be turned on to Ellie Miller's family (sister possibly saw something and has debt, so may be involved in something criminal, Ellie's husband and son have secrets they've kept from her, her nephew (Ollie) is linked to both sets of secrets too)

We haven't seen much of the police procedural aspect of the case, maybe there will be a big meeting and a light bulb moment; unless Tom's emails and texts have just given Alec Hardy all the answers...

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 14:04:01

When Ellie's son is asking his dad how long someone who killed someone would get in prison his dad says '20 years, why are you asking me all this?' then the son says 'I miss him dad' yet he says in a later episode he didn't like him. The dad seems genuinely worried about why he is asking but not in a 'he knows I did it' kind of way.

That's a good theory Northumberland. It hadn't crossed my mind, but makes sense.

Hardy found something in the emails, he got cross and couldn't believe whatever it was he had missed.

montage Tue 16-Apr-13 14:10:51

I am very confused about which clues are clunkier-than-expected foreshadowing and which are double-bluff red herrings masquerading as foreshadowing.

Especially the "in your house" moments last night.

I thought the scene with Alec and the journalists was very sad and done really well though.

Yes, I liked that scene with the journo's too.

I can't see that it is anyone outside of the three left though (Tom, Joe and the vicar). We know the vicar goes to AA meetings, but we know he has another secret and we don't know what is going on with Joe and Tom. The rest of the town was linked to Danny and/or his family and had their secrets revealed, as others have said. I hope it isn't child abuse involved.

Ellie made that comment to Joe that he still hadn't painted their room and what has he been doing for the last six months....

nokidshere Tue 16-Apr-13 14:23:37

I am almost certain that it has to be be Ellies family that are involved somehow. Remember in the first episode Tom was deleting all the messages from his phone and pc..we haven't yet found out what they were.

Am liking the Joe/Vicar scenario though!

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 16-Apr-13 14:27:01

Hello. Mind if I join the thread? Am loving Broadchurch, and although I'm desperate to know whodunnit, I don't want it to end!! I've been wondering about the wake after Jack Marshall's funeral when Alex Hardy was sitting on the stairs talking to Tom Miller and then Joe Miller appeared and put a swift end to teh conversation. Was he worried that Tom might reveal something??

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 14:27:19


Beth x
Mark x
Chloe x
Dean x
Joe...knows something, at least, probably moved the body
Ellie x
Tom...knows something
(Fred) x
Hardy x
Newsagent x
Becca x
Maggie x
Ollie x
PQ x
Nigel x
Vicar ? knows something but won't say. Could be involved.
Reporter x
Steve ? Sandbrook murderer - knew about the pendant
Soco - just a creepy get

all the x's I've ruled out
Therefore the murderer must be one of the others. <gavel> smile

Joe Tom Vicar Steve Soco

Maybe Steve confessed to the vicar or someone else did
I'm not sure if Vicars are bound to keep confidence?

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 14:30:16

I don't think Soco did it, we don't know him well enough - but he did ask Ellie out, so maybe he was trying to hint that she might be missing something about her H - maybe he knows something and wanted to discuss it with her. Can't remember the convo but didn't it involve a lot of 'I'm happily married' and him questioning that somehow...?

But what would he know about Joe? More stuff she isn't aware of? maybe he has the impression that they aren't that happy, from something Joe has said?

firesidechat Tue 16-Apr-13 14:31:26

It's the psychic obviously. No evidence for this of course, but I can feel it my my waters. I also don't believe in psychic ability and he seems to know too much for my liking.

The vicars looking a bit suspect though. Did the boys have a fight or didn't they?

TimothyClaypoleLover Tue 16-Apr-13 14:36:23

The vicar definitely knows who did kill Danny if he didn't do it himself as he was so adamant that Jack Marshall was innocent and needed protecting.

Although I am not convinced that Joe/Tom did it as it seems like it has been hinting at that for the last couple of episodes so would need a massive twist to avoid last episode being a bit of a let down/too obvious.

TimothyClaypoleLover Tue 16-Apr-13 14:38:41

And why has PQ been allowed to sneak off in the middle of the night if the police are watching? She is at the very least a key witness so there must be some more involvement from her.

I know Tim - I want to be shocked next week ! I am hoping I am wrong.
I am looking forward to finding out what Ellie's sister saw, power cut mystery, what happened in Whitby 15 years ago, why had Hardy 'been there before', why Hardy was having childhood flashbacks....

gah! I'm not going to get all these answered. Am I ?

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 14:45:26

Hardy was having childhood flashbacks?? I thought he was just sort of "seeing" Danny in his mind's eye, and also a girl (presumably the Sambrook victim?)

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 14:47:50

I agree the Tom/Joe thing is a bit too obvious now, too.

What about Danny's gran, has anyone ruled her out? grin

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 14:52:17

the Whitby thing was a child murder and rape (female) on a cliff.

Oh ok Mad - you think it was Danny & girls from Sandybrook playing on his mind. I assumed it was him as a child as it came just after psychic Steve had said "You've been here before"...

I think any of the following would shock me! Ollie, Gran and Becca (? Aussie at the hotel)

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 15:14:26

Hm, I'm questioning it now. Danny was definitely in that montage, and there was a girl too, but I think there was also another brief shot of another boy, and I was trying to work out whether it was just Danny from a funny angle.


DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 15:21:08

in a dream sequence at teh begining of episode 6 (I think) David tennant's character is shouting at: Will Mellor, Danny's dad, The Vicar and Nige 'Stay away from the water' as they all stand there in the waves.

Are these the four main suspects in his mind?

Or is he dreaming about something that happened to him at that spot 15 years earlier?

Would it be mad to watch them all again,before the final episode?

it would wouldn't it....

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 15:24:36

Ooh, I missed that bit Dueling, ITV is so rubbish over the internet we always miss the first few minutes angry

coreny Tue 16-Apr-13 15:30:25

I still don't understand why PQ gave Ollie the skateboard.
If Ollie was involved surely he'd know to leave it and not accry it home.

Why did Danny have all that money under his bed?

Mum has a secret I think.

haha Frigg - you have given me an idea....I will pack the boys off this weekend and re-watch them all! wink blush

coreny Tue 16-Apr-13 15:31:33

I think PQ is playing games. She's out to punish someone.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 15:32:27

I am watching them now [Blush] but FFWing over bits I know I saw.

I was thinking of watching them all again. Can do it tomorrow.

Can't wait for Monday grin

Could the money under Danny's bed be from the poaching pheasants? Didn't Nige say that a local butcher gave him money for them?

I'm not sure how many pheasants you'd have to kill for £500 though confused

It's all enough to make your head explode.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 15:47:33

Ellie said 'If you go into the bookshop in town, all those books are in there', not 'all his books are in there'. She meant there are lots of books by people just wanting to cash in on murders, not specifically by Steve.
I think Susan knows more than she told the police. Who takes home and keeps the skateboard of a murdered child? She said she didn't want to be involved but she stole a piece of key evidence. And why did she give it to Tom?
We thought the boy who wasn't Danny in the flashback/montage bits was a young Alec, and the girl was either his wife when she was young or the Sandbrook victim.
I would love to know what Lucy saw, or if she was just lying to get money out of Ellie.
Wikipedia says Dean has dangerous connections, including some of the most respected people in town. I think Chloe got the drugs off him. When Ellie questioned Becca on the drugs, she said Chloe got them off a male friend, but wouldn't say who. I reckon it's Dean.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 15:49:42

I thought Joe went paintballing but it was Tom, Danny, Nige, Mark and Ollie. In march. Ollie said it was probably the last time he spent any time with Danny and that he has photos of the day. So did Danny and Tom fall out in March/April? because of something that happened on that day?

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 16-Apr-13 15:56:45

Who's Lucy?

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 15:57:04

Oh, and I also agree that Alec had some water-related trauma when he was in Broadchurch before. In episode 3, when they discover Danny's blood on Mark's boat, he says he doesn't like being on the water and looks all tense.
Paul says the fight between Tom and Danny was a couple of months ago, so March/April sounds about right actually.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 15:57:19

Lucy is Ellie's sister and Olly's mum.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 15:57:43

RE Will Mellor. have listened/watched again and you are right, it does sound like she says "in two weeks he'll talk to the press, in six months he'll write a book 'how i solved the Broadchurch murder, if you go into the bookshop in town all those books are in there'.

Hmmm. Bugger. grin

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 15:59:41

there were two sandbrook victims i think?

BOF Tue 16-Apr-13 16:02:54

I read on twitter that the deleted text messages were from March, not the night of the murder, so IF that is the case (and I haven't seen a screenshot to confirm it), does this all hinge on something that happened that weekend paintballing?

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 16:05:26

but (if they are the same ones) they were at 3 something am - they wouldn't be paintballing then would they?

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 16:06:13

Well I thought there were two as well because everyone seemed to say there were two, but when Beth is talking to the Sandbrook mum she sounds like she's just talking about one girl. Might just be continuity errors though. I'm just confused either way.
Just checked, and yes, the deleted texts were from March, 29th to be precise. All seems to be pointing to March, doesn't it?

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 16:07:49

I think she is only talking about one girl, because there were two victims with two sets of parents so she is just talking about her own child? i am sure Beth says she wants to speak to one of the parents.

PuffPants Tue 16-Apr-13 16:08:23

I also think PQ's account isn't trustworthy. In her mind she is convinced she saw Nige on the beach because she can't help but see the bad in him - you've got him in you, she says. It will turn out to be Joe Miller.

BOF Tue 16-Apr-13 16:10:02

Is it significant that the texts looked to be unopened?

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 16:12:21

I hope it's the dad, he's the only one I don't like at all.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 16:13:22

I think you're right about the two girls actually. I assumed they were sisters, but they don't say that anywhere.
Tom deleted loads off his laptop. Whatever was in those files, there was a lot of it.

Do you think the photo's from paintballing were on the lap top?

AllOverIt Tue 16-Apr-13 16:19:03

Marking place on new thread...

As you were grin

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 16:20:59

Ooh, paintballing. Does that stuff drip? As in, could the very first scene with the boy on the cliff with the red stuff dripping from his hand be post-whatever incident happened at paintballing.

Damn it. I want to stay away from this thread to keep the surprise, but I can't...I can't...<wails>

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 16:32:28

before the hut was broken into the dad of the murdered boy looked like he was in the park drinking beer from a bottle?
who called ellie's phone, was it whoever they chased?

Chippychop Tue 16-Apr-13 16:32:46

I think psychic is warning DT about his demise and I don't think we've seen end of PQ either

Like the thought of vicar battling with conscience

isitsnowingyet Tue 16-Apr-13 16:35:32

Has anyone remembered that Nigel was definitely seen carrying the body onto the beach. He has to be involved somehow, surely. Unless I've missed a vital clue?

I rewatched the first episode and yes the texts he deleted were March. Which means everybody who went paintballing knows but doesn't know they know - Mark, Ollie and Nige.

Hmmmm - not looking too good for Ollie again?

PQ says she saw Nigel. Diesn't mean she did or that he killed Danny.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 16:37:36

I don't think the files on the laptop were photos. It says documents.
I think paint from a paintball would be a brighter red. However, it could be red diesel (the same thing Nige siphoned out of the tractor to put in the van) dripping down his fingers.

TheAllNewMe Tue 16-Apr-13 16:38:53

I think Eliie's son did it and Nigel helped him to move the body. Nigel has admitted to going poaching at night and taking at least one of the 2 kids with him without their parents' knowledge. Nigel, Tom and Danny were together that night, Danny died, possibly by accident, and Nigel really did row the boat to the beach where he left him. PQ told him at their final meeting that she really had seen him in the boat.
Also, the comment about not knowing what is going on in your own home is not a red herring.

It is also possible that Mark Latimer knows what happened but was involved after the fact. When Nigel rang him and said "you know it wasn't me" or words to that effect, Mark agreed.

isitsnowingyet Tue 16-Apr-13 16:39:21

What on earth could the motive be for Joe Miller? He did seem a bit sinister the way he stopped Tom talking to DT but apart from that, he's quite a nice SAHD - or is he confused

isitsnowingyet Tue 16-Apr-13 16:42:32

theallnewme - that sounds like a truly feasible theory. I guess we'll have to wait until next Mon though

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 16:47:03

So we know Nigel did the syphoning

why did Danny have diesel on him then

Nigel must have been in contact with danny that night somehow, for that to be the case

the cleaning products that were used to clean the body points to PQ or Nigel or someone else with access to the hut

you would use chemicals to remove diesel from someone


If you go by rule of television drama 106 then the person arrested in the penultimate episode IS NOT the killer. So Nige just moved the body. The only person he would do that for is Mark. So what if Danny went out to meet Nige for poaching, caught his dad in the act, confronted Mark or Becca and was killed. Then Nige came looking for him and thought or saw that Mark was involved so he moved the body. All the Joe/vicar/creepy psychic bloke/Tom stuff is red herrings.

If you follow the Thomas Hardy suggestions, what about Far From the Madding Crowd where whatsername is going to marry Sergent Troy but goes to the wrong church. What if Danny was waiting in the wrong place to meet Nige?

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 16:48:22

Plus in the opening scene with the boy on the cliff, he looked sleepy or drugged - from inhaling the diesel maybe - perhaps something went wrong.

flakjacket Tue 16-Apr-13 16:48:27

Except Danny waws strangled by 'big hands' which doesn't sound accidental...

Not accidental but could be in heat of the moment. Where did Mark and Becca do their shagging? Do we know? Van, hotel or cliff top hut.......

BOF Tue 16-Apr-13 16:56:26

Yes, I like the Thomas Hardy references throughout, but I don't think we can draw direct inferences from them.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 16:58:31

Has the australian woman actually said to anyone that she was having an affair with mark? Maybe he has said that just to give himself an alibi because pretending he had an affair is just that bit less awful than admitting to murdering his own son?

i can't remember if anyone apart from the wife has confronted the Australian, and if not perhaps the Australian just thinks she is being a bit nuts and weird after the death of her son so hasn't questioned it? although I think I am probably forgetting something obvious about that scenario?

Lying about an affair would be so awful it might put the police off the scent?

TheAllNewMe Tue 16-Apr-13 16:58:52

strangled by big hands..I missed that.. hmmm.

well PQ and Nigel didn't do it together - or else they would have said so in that last meeting. She clearly did see him move the body but I don't thnk he is the killer. So someone else killed him and Nigel helped out by moving the body.

Why would Nigel do that and who would he do it for?

Tom knows something that is very significnt and he knows it is.

I have always thought the Mark is a bit dodgy but I don't think he did it either.

So Nigel and Tom are involved somehow. And maybe Mark on the very periphery.

TheAllNewMe Tue 16-Apr-13 17:00:22

"Has the australian woman actually said to anyone that she was having an affair with mark? Maybe he has said that just to give himself an alibi because pretending he had an affair is just that bit less awful than admitting to murdering his own son?"

Yes, Mark and she discussed it so we know it is true.

motherinferior Tue 16-Apr-13 17:01:29

My money's on SOCO. For no particular reason, to be honest.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 17:01:42

Becca tells Alec and Ellie that she met Mark that night in the car park and they had sex.
I think the key lies in what Tom deleted from his phone and laptop.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 17:05:32

Ah bugger.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 17:06:32

Do we believe that Steve is psychic? Some of the things he say make me think he's implicated in the murder and just pretending to be psychic to put people off the scent. Though he was right about the boat. But in episode 3 he tells Beth not to look for the killer, which seems really suspicious.

DinoSnores Tue 16-Apr-13 17:09:23

"What did her husband say he was before he became a SAHD by the way? A builder/electrician? "

He was a paramedic.

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 17:09:43

nope, he isn't psychic. DT is telling the press this story about a pendant. We don't know if it's true.

But he wants someone to read it. There's no way he would open up like that for no purpose.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 17:10:16

maybe Joe isn't really Tom's dad, came into Ellie's life 13 years ago when Ellie was pregnant. Tom just found out? Danny told him and knows who his dad really is?

DinoSnores Tue 16-Apr-13 17:11:04

Trying to get the iplayer to work so I can check this but I thought when Ellie said about, "if you go into the bookshop in town all his books are in there", that she said, "all THOSE books are in there," so not about him specifically, just the genre.

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 17:14:01

Yes he does blindworm well remembered. And the reason he gives her is the same thing he repeatedly tells DT, that the killer is someone close to home who knew Danny very well.

I dunno, it's a bit of a cop-out though isn't it, random psycho who isn't really connected to anyone else turns out to have dunnit. Unless he has some more involved and compelling motive that has been hinted at.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 17:14:57

Tom also lied under questioning saying that he hadn't argued with Danny. Then said that Danny said his dad hit him. Another lie?

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 17:15:21

Mandragora But when Psychic Steve first tells DT about the pendant DT does the whole spooky, haunted look as if to suggest it has hit home. I agree he is suddenly opening up to the press for a reason tho. He wants to set something up, maybe for after he dies <sob>

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 17:20:19

Yes I remember how he looked at steve. I think he was thinking, how the feck do you know this. And he knows steve is involved. He's just not saying owt, not yet.

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 17:23:58

Oh I agree Psychic Steve is not actually Psychic, I'm just saying the pendant thing is known to be true (within narrative convention of DT's reaction).

Someone ages ago suggested Psychic Steve goes round tapping police stations in the course of his job and getting info/involvement that way, which sounds very feasible.

maybemyrtle Tue 16-Apr-13 17:30:19

Jumping in - what about the argument with the postman? How does that fit in?

yellowhousewithareddoor Tue 16-Apr-13 17:32:11

Ooh I so want to know. Now!!

coreny Tue 16-Apr-13 17:47:16

it may have been ollie he saw with the postman or it may not have been the postman at all

coreny Tue 16-Apr-13 17:48:11

where can i watch episode 1 again - it's not on the itvplayer anymore and I can't find it on you tube<grrr>

RedPencils Tue 16-Apr-13 17:51:52

Will Mellor said to DT 'she forgives you for the pendant'. But there's nothing forgive because It wasn't DT who lost it. Thereby proving that WM is talking shit about the psychic stuff.
He's involved somehow
Although I think Ellie saying 'how can you not know' was also a big clue.

In conclusion, I dunno who did it.

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 17:54:24

Oh good one RedPencils! Of course, if WM had tapped the police phones or got some gossip another way, he WOULD think the pendant thing was DT's fault because that was always the official line. It's only DT (and now the newspaper people) who knows that it wasn't.

poozlepants Tue 16-Apr-13 17:55:00

I've come looking for this thread to ask all you Broadchurch afficionados a couple of questions the answer to which |I may have missed when I was off using the facilities.
Have they established why Danny had loads of money in his room?
Who was the man in the hi-vis vest who was/wasn't a postman?

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 17:59:27

I was wondering at first whether bloke in hi-vis jacket could have been Mark and the witness (Jack, I think) just assumed it was the postman because it was a man in a hi-vis vest out in the early morning. There must be other hi-vis vests around.

But then when the police talked to the postman (Kevin?) his response was "Why would I have an argument with a paper boy?" which is a bit defensive/evasive and made me think it was him and there was a very good reason why they had an argument.

Good point about the 'psychic' and the pendant not being lost by DT.

EspressoMonkey Tue 16-Apr-13 19:13:04

Just a thought; the vicar handed the laptop to DT quite late in the day, having taken it from Tom the night before. He is IT savvy, any chance he could have tampered with what was on the hard drive before handing it in? Thus implicating someone else?

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 19:15:40

Right. Steve wants DT to know that he knows about the pendant. And about his prior visit to B-church. He is playing games with DT. DT recognised him from somewhere.

DT told the press that it was his wife's fault, not his. So he wants Steve to know this other story - he's putting it out there for a reason. That he wants Steve to come out and say something else. But Steve won't know it's the wife as DT said, DON'T reveal the name of the DS.

Steve won't know it was the wife - just that it wasn't DT's fault. I have no idea what this is all leading to but DT is UP TO something with the press release.

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 19:23:27

What if the person they took to court wasn't the murderer - and Steve is?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful Tue 16-Apr-13 19:35:17

espresso good thinking re the dodgy vicar.

(Sorry for butting in, I was on the old thread a little bit - no theories of my own but I'm loving reading all of these).

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 19:36:20

also what if steve was the other kid in the flashbacks. with a mental problem, and a grudge against tennant - he knows he's been there before, as he knew him as a child.

Ahh yes vicar is IT savvy isn't he, very good point.

FeistyLassie Tue 16-Apr-13 20:03:41

RedPencils I thought the same about the pendant remark. If DT is telling the truth to the journalists then the psychic isn't psychic because DT doesn't need forgiven.

I'm desperate to know who did it but don't want this to end sad
If we're meant to notice the Hardy references then it points to Tom or Chloe being the killer because there was a big discussion about Jude the Obscure where children are killed by a sibling to save the family.

I don't think Nige is the killer but he moved the body and I agree it seems odd that Mark was the first person he phoned from the police station and that Mark didn't wonder if Nige was guilty. confused

I keep thinking it was an accident when they were poaching and Tom and Joe are covering for each other but they haven't discussed it so actually they both think the other is guilty and he isn't. Aargh! I have no idea!

I hope they do tie up all the loose ends next week. It seems a lot to get through.

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 20:07:56

or Jude is to do with dt as a boy

PuffPants Tue 16-Apr-13 20:08:34

I can't believe Mark is involved. The way he was skipping through town, merrily saying hello to everyone and laughing with Nige in the van - you'd have to be a total psychopath to murder your son then get up the next day and act like nothing ever happened.

MandragoraWurzelstock Tue 16-Apr-13 20:10:09

I agree am a bit in love with Mark

The music is all very sort of massive attack/portishead isn't it

motherinferior Tue 16-Apr-13 20:22:11

OMG Jude the Obscure: 'done because there was too many of us'. So that would be because Chloe knew about the new baby...

<head explodes>

motherinferior Tue 16-Apr-13 20:22:50

Mind you in Jude they're all hanged, including the perpetrator.

(Jolly book, Jude.)

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 20:26:53

Oi, spoilers! I've not read Jude the Obscure! grin

FeistyLassie Tue 16-Apr-13 20:33:09

MadBusLady we've saved you from reading Jude. It's the grimmest Hardy book there is and the others aren't exactly cheery! wink .

I'm now thinking who doesn't look like a suspect: the mum, the gran, and the sister. Hmm, either of those would be a bit of a surprise but I'm rubbish at working out thrillers so don't expect to be right.

FeistyLassie Tue 16-Apr-13 20:34:44

(and I would cry if it was the mum because she has been brilliant!).

montage Tue 16-Apr-13 20:39:40

I think whatever source of conflict there was between Danny and Tom (as evidenced by the fight in computer club) blew up when Tom and/or Joe Miller returned from holiday the day before Danny was killed.

So whatever racket Danny was getting money from -poaching/drugs/diesel- he may have taken over Tom/Joe's bit of it while they were away.

I think Ellie was not told about the fight between the two boys deliberately, Joe kept her in the dark as he didn't want her to know what they were fighting about.

I am still torn between not wanting Ellie's world to fall apart and dying to see scenes where Olivia Coleman finds out her family are involved and what she decides to do.

It's driving me mad that whatever Alec saw in the emails he instantly recognised it and had an "of course!" reaction - of course what??

MadBusLady Tue 16-Apr-13 20:43:43

The mum has been brilliant. I read Olivia Coleman saying she cried a lot more in the scenes with the parents than her character was really meant to, because the actors were so great and it was so sad.

montage Tue 16-Apr-13 20:45:08

Incidentally I wish Detectives Hardy and Miller had their own spinoff show. I wouldn't care if the Broadchurch community had to have as many murders as Midsomer to keep this going.

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 20:49:13

Really good point about the vicar and the fact that the psychic is talking Bollox.

Yes be great to have a spinoff montage. We should write to them grin

montage Tue 16-Apr-13 21:31:07

If they don't kill Alec off in the finale, we could send a petition for it wink

HomeEcoGnomist Tue 16-Apr-13 21:40:23

I have no theories because I am utterly rubbish at working these things out

But wanted to add that I find the music very sinister and really adds a tone of menace

Looking forward to next Mon!

Ruprekt Tue 16-Apr-13 21:46:56

There are a lot of questions that need answering in the last hour!!


DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 21:51:45

I am guessing the last hour will be a reconstruction of the nights events as they really happened.

We'll do that montage wink

I was hoping it'd be a longer one? Is it only one hour?

montage Tue 16-Apr-13 21:56:05

It's described as an extended episode but is scheduled from 9 to (drumroll) 1005 hmm

And they will probably start excitedly flashing "News At 10 to Follow Shortly!!" all over the tension of the final moments.

montage Tue 16-Apr-13 21:57:01

A reconstruction or even extended flasback where you watch it unfold would be ace though

BOF Tue 16-Apr-13 21:57:51

Is it going to be a longer episode than usual?

Oh wow 5 extra minutes hmm

mazylou Tue 16-Apr-13 22:38:22

I so wish they'd done the last two episodes as a two hour, but hey, can't have it all. I have been completely into the Jude the Obscure theory as Hardy was a big exponent of the "Broad Church" movement of Anglican evangelism. This is remembered from doing English 30 years ago, so it could be a complete load of balls.

SomewhereInTheMiddle Tue 16-Apr-13 23:08:23

I think that Will Mellor was always meant to look dodgy as he was clearly cold reading Beth when he went to her house early on. He was fishing and she she didn't take the bait of whatever 'do you know a Bert, or someone beginning with B' sort of thing. I think he's something to do with Sandbrook too.

A big reveal is going to come from the sister Lucy, so my money's still on it being Joe.

blindworm Tue 16-Apr-13 23:13:28

I definitely agree that Steve was cold reading Beth, and probably Alec too. 'She forgives you about the pendant' is such a broad statement. It was reported in the Herald that Alec lost the pendant, and it belonged to a girl. Steve may even have meant that the victim forgave Alec, and just got lucky that it meant more to Alec.

jodee Tue 16-Apr-13 23:28:15

I was out last night so have only just watched the latest episode, I have read through all the threads but can't see anything about who was following Nige in the car and chasing him down the alley???? Then he just turns up in PQs caravan? Did I miss something?

DuelingFanjo Tue 16-Apr-13 23:32:33

It was a policeman. When they released nige and PQ Neil tennant's character said they would both be closely watched so nige knew he was being followed and did a runner. No idea why whoever was watching PQ didn't see him arrive at her caravan or stop her and her dog from walking off into the night!

MrsSalvoMontalbano Wed 17-Apr-13 08:13:30

enjoying this thread almost as much as the prog - very impressed with the dedication people are applying to this!
Do not have any sleuthing ability, but reckon that Danny's death must have been an accident that was covered up, rather than deliberate murder or paedo related. In each case where someone has looked sinsiter/evil, the writers seem to have contrived a back-story to make us sympathise with that person - eg Jack, paedo, but the actually almost legal, real love story etc, PQ unwitting collaterel victim etc. Also there are two many paedo back stories , surely the murder cannot be that - the plottign has been far to good for lazy denouement.

But he was strangled how can that be an accident?

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 08:30:13

I agree a bit with MrsSalvo. Yes, the actual murder itself was deliberate, but it feels like it's going to be similar to The Killing, where a whole different bunch of totally unrelated and accidental circumstances combined to lead to Rosie's death, and the person who was immediately responsible for killing her didn't even know who she was.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Wed 17-Apr-13 09:23:46

'Psychic isn't the Sandbrook killer, they KNOW who the Sandbrook killer is, but the person got off due to evidence being compromising by DT's ex-wife.'

Ah, I'd missed that.

At the moment I'm thinking it was Joe; he seems to have been deliberately kept in the background so far (so viewers are surprised when he's revealed?) and clearly his and Ellie's marriage isn't the bed of roses we were invited to believe early on. I like the theory that he stopped Tom talking to the vicar in case Tom blurted something out.

But I agree with MrsSalvo and MadBusLady that it will not be a simple case of one person doing it in isolation, rather a complicated set of events that together led to Danny's death. One of the ideas behind the whole show is clearly that of all communities being interdepenent; everyone in them is somehow connected and behind the harmonious exterior is a web of people keeping secrets and perpetrating corruption/lies/crimes of varying kinds.

MandragoraWurzelstock Wed 17-Apr-13 09:39:09

Unlessthey were wrong and the person they thought did it in sandbrook wasn't actually guilty.

I think stevie boy bears the hallmarks of a delusional serial killer playing games with them.

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:45:51

I agree it wasn't a planned murder. Surely must be something to do with the diesel if the red stuff dripping off the Danny's hands was diesel not blood? Otherwise why put it in? and we know he was strangled not stabbed or any other thing that would have produced blood, that someone tried to clean off evidence with household products that presumably would lead back to them? So who would have been with him stealing diesel? Nige?

When PQ's character said she knew it was Nige (to Nige) I really believed her but I am not sure I like the idea that she has that the evil of the father is going to be in him, yet they have painted him as a wholly unsympathetic character. I think out of all the characters he and Danny's dad have very few redeeming qualities so I kind of hope it is one of them. The vicar is too much of a sympathetic character.

i still hope it's Danny's dad though - that would make more sense to me.

blindworm Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:32

In the scene where Jack tells Alec about Danny's exchange with the postman, there's actually no evidence that the man is a postman. He's just a guy with a red polo top (no official Royal Mail markings) and a hi-vis vest (the postman they speak to later doesn't have an orange vest). His van also doesn't have a Royal Mail logo on it. I don't know why anyone would pose as a postman though?

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 11:04:54

I think Nige is basically sympathetic, just a bit volatile and irresponsible and not really the kind of person you'd leave supervising your kids, hence he might have a part in the build-up to the murder, whatever it was. Agree I wouldn't like the whole "evil of your father" explanation, that would be a cop-out, I'm pretty sure that's just PQ's character obsessing (understandably) about the past and believing it explains everything in the present.

Blindworm, I wondered about that. As a cover for being out that early, maybe?

MandragoraWurzelstock Wed 17-Apr-13 11:14:27

Nige reminds me of Gollum grin

If Danny went to meet Nigel that night - for a bit of shooting - and then Nigel got into the situation with the diesel, and had to syphon it, Danny would have been there at that point too presumably. Maybe he got Danny to do it or something.

If Danny had two phones, why don't we know what was on each of them - surely that's the first thing they would look at. He must have used one for 'normal' and one for stuff that his family didn't know about.

I can't believe it would be pornography or anything that dull really. But I can't think what it is.

Only thing I'm sure about is steve playing games with DT.

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 11:25:29

Yes, I like that! Danny was there for the poaching/diesel incident. But then maybe whatever happened to him happened after that. Even after Nige had gone.

I keep wondering about smuggling too, in the context of rowing boats/drugs/porn. Is smuggling a real thing or is it all a bit less Famous Five than that? <doesn't live anywhere near the sea> grin

There's still all that stuff in Ep 1 of Mark crying and saying he'd let Danny down the one time he needed him to be there. Though that could just refer to his affair with Becca if Danny had found out about it.

I wonder if you see that unmarked red van anywhere else?

LizzyLiz Wed 17-Apr-13 11:25:38

Can I just gatecrash with my theory?

I think PQ saw a bald man and believes it was Nigel because she is so haunted by what her husband did and believes Nigel could be capable of it. But actually the man was Joe.

The whole picture of 2 happy families where parents and children are friends was blown apart by the murder. The Latimers were broken, leaving Ellie and Joe looking like a solid family unit. But this image is slowly being shown to be wrong and Ellie will be the last to realise that her family is as broken as the Latimers. Whils she is trying to solve what has happened to their family, hers is unravelling behind her back.

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 11:35:28

in the flash back scenes during the questioning of PQ didn't the person carrying the body have a hoody on?

antlerqueen Wed 17-Apr-13 12:43:10

I think he was too far away to see anything but a silhouette

Nancyclancy Wed 17-Apr-13 12:45:04

I might have got this wrong but was the reason Mark was arrested because the CCTV picked up him and his van? If so, why did he have to walk through the town to catch a lift with Nigel???

BOF Wed 17-Apr-13 13:23:32

Waaaaaay ahead of you, Lizzyliz grin

ucasfracas Wed 17-Apr-13 13:26:37

Wow, some of you have picked up so much detail. I am loving it but find it hard to remember from one week to next.

My theory (and somebody else has said similar), is that it is some sort of accident but the whole point is that it causes complete turmoil in the community as everyone's secrets get revealed - contrasting with the first scene where the father went through the town saying hello to everyone and giving the impression that there are no secrets, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Punctuate this please...

Is it Monday yet? wink

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 13:45:36

Wow - I was so far behind on this thread!

OK - I can see this playing out in one of two ways. The first - and most obvious - is Jude the Obscure. The clues have been there all the way through. Nige is, in effect, Little Father Time - the bad blood baby, who was always going to turn out this way - all grown up. He has Danny - a child - helping him undertake criminal activity. Not just poaching but stealing diesel too. Danny gets money from his poaching with Nige as well as his paper round and maybe brags about it in front of Tom at the paintballing party? Tom is jealous of Danny's money and nice things (he LOVED that skateboard, it was obvious) because he comes from a family where only one parent is working, albeit in a good job. In addition, they are subsidising Auntie Catastrophe, so there isn't much spare cash (although enough for a three week holiday - mmm - maybe need to rethink that bit!)

Maybe Danny teases Tom for being too much of a goodie-two-shoes, with a copper for a mum? While Danny's life influences are "real men" like his dad and Nige the plumber/poacher, Tom's dad is a man in a traditionally woman's role. I can almost hear that immature argument between the two of them going back and forth. So that is the source of the discord between the boys. Joe is trying to keep it from Ellie as he doesn't want Danny or Nige to get into trouble.

But ultimately it's all down to Nige in terms of the murder. He has no compunction about killing living animals in cold blood and fits in terms of the footprints at the crime scene. Something went wrong that night and the rest is merely a red herring. So that's theory one, which makes the most sense to me, based upon what we have seen so far.

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 13:55:04

Damn you're good, teej. I find that a compelling reconstruction of the relationship between the two boys.

I disagree about Nige though. He poaches, but in the context of where they live I think that's dodgy and illegal rather than psychotic. And he didn't kill the dog.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 13:55:20

Theory two - the Agatha Christie approach. There will be a new piece of information in the last ep which will point to the real murderer.

This could be Joe. He could be revealed to be the child rapist/murderer from Whitby. Danny may have pieced together some clues found from information online and confronted Tom with it at the paintball - hence their fallout. But that would be a bit lazy in terms of plot. Surely Ellie would have twigged at some point before now - "actually my luvverly you weren't in bed then, where were you when Danny went missing?"

It could be Psychic Steve. Agree with whoever said he's been tapping phone lines and cold reading people to get what he has so far. But another of his little weaknesses was vehicle theft. If it was taking from a vehicle, could we be talking about Steve as the person who broke into DT's wife's car and stole the evidence from Sandbrook? As some of you have said, is it possible he himself is the Sandbrook killer and they had the wrong guy all along? Is it possible he was the Whitby rapist/murderer and DT recognises him as someone who was investigated at the time? Or could it be as simple as Danny found him trying to break into a car during his paper round one day and perhaps Danny was trying to blackmail him?

montage Wed 17-Apr-13 13:55:47

I am so looking forward to Olivia Coleman's acting next week.

I am now wondering if they will send Alec in for the surgery that he said he may not survive, at the end (it may become the only option) and thus hedge their bets about Broadchurch Series 2 - bigger boats, higher cliffs, more murder.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 13:57:09

But MadBusLady was he keeping the dog as leverage? Not much use to him dead if he thought mummy dearest wouldn't grass if he had the dog wink

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 13:59:00

Oh - whatever the denouement is, I think there will be some clues in the pictures Ollie took at the party back in March.

Also, Joe or Tom NOT being involved in the murder does not preclude Ellie from realising there is a lot she didn't know about her own family, as well as her own community. And she will find that tough.

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 14:01:45

Or maybe Tom is the baddun, against type. The police woman's son with a devoted stay-at-home parent who has sacrificed his career to care for the children. So Tom has so much more to throw away. Danny is pissed off with him because he knows Tom is doing so much wrong and tries to intervene which is when they fall out?

could work both ways really?

YoniOneWayOfLife Wed 17-Apr-13 14:02:50

but but but what about the sister's boyfriend?

whattodoo Wed 17-Apr-13 14:05:56

It's the clocks that are bothering me.

Didn't they stop at 3.50? And weren't the texts that Tom deleted at 3.49?

blindworm Wed 17-Apr-13 14:06:27

I think Dean's a drug dealer.

MandragoraWurzelstock Wed 17-Apr-13 14:08:52

Teej I thought that about Steve but can't remember what thread I posted it on! About nicking cars etc. and maybe having been the person who stole the evidence.

Great posts smile

motherinferior Wed 17-Apr-13 14:12:12

Won't be the boyfriend; they're simply not going to have the culprit as stereotypical young black boy.

motherinferior Wed 17-Apr-13 14:13:08

Deffo agree re surgery.

Disclaimer: I am really not very good at this stuff. Am glued, but usually v confused grin

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 14:22:48

Whattodo is it possible Danny stopped the clocks so his dad would wake up late and be late to meet Nige, who would be running late due to being out poaching half the night? Ie it was arranged and Danny actually did it? And maybe the texts from March were Danny texting Tom during a poaching session that night, saying what he was up to?

Great minds, Mandragora! I did a post a while back listing everyone's secrets and as soon as DT said about the evidence being removed from a car I thought, "Steve!"

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 14:30:01

Oh - and also agree about the surgery. Not sure at the minute whether DT has told all to the local rag because he assumes he's going to drop dead or not survive the surgery so he has nothing to lose by putting the record straight or whether it is a last roll of the dice to get the perp to show himself.

blindworm Wed 17-Apr-13 14:31:34

Becca says Chloe got the drugs from a male friend, and Dean and Chloe are clearly very close. Wikipedia says Dean has dangerous connections, including some of the most respected people in the town.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Wed 17-Apr-13 14:36:30

teej and Mandragora- I think you're right! Steve must have robbed the car that had the pendant in and that's why he was able to say "she forgives you about the pendant" to DT. He is therefore evil as he is happy for a murderer to walk free rather than hand in evidence and say he robbed a car.

OR he is the Sandbrook murderer and robbed the car to get himself off the charge

When you look at the cast list Danny isn't in it? So if there's a reconstruction he shouldn't be in it? hmm

montage Wed 17-Apr-13 15:09:22

I think deep down Alec wants his daughter to know it wasn't him who messed up the case. He still doesn't want her to think badly of her mother so he told them to keep her name out of it.

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 15:15:43

I'll be a bit relieved if there isn't a reconstruction. There was one in The Killing and it was REALLY affecting, we were both a bit shaky afterwards despite having spent whole series enjoying it as a sleuthing exercise. Don't think ITV will want to frighten the MNers horses like that.

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 15:16:47

I am interested in how the newspaper woman (The older one) is mad keen on having a good story. rather a change from when she didn't want to give the younger journalist a story.

Also agree - that DT is playing games with the 'psychic' and leading him on in some way.

I don't think I can wait until Monday!
So many theories. I reckon we'll have another full thread by then.

I'm still on the Joe / Vicar love affair.
I think Steve is the Sandybrook killer & Hardy suspects it.

I agree OC has been magnificent.

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 16:03:16

Am starting to agree it's Steve thought I really wished it Mark.

I think Steve is telling them all 'it's someone he knew' to try to throw them off the scent and that he only got lucky with the 'you've been here before' comment with DT.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 16:05:01

I just found the other thread (Chat one) and read it in one go <should be working emoticon!> Some really great stuff on there grin

montage yes another good reason for DT to provide the story, as his daughter is not answering his calls...

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 16:17:07

Are Nige and Ollie about the same age do you think?

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Apr-13 16:35:15

Also - if PQ is so determined that her son has evil in him and that he was the one that she saw then why did she tell Ellie at first that she had seen the body from the top of the cliff? She changed her story after more questioning and when Ellie told her that there was no way she could have seen from the top of the cliff.

So why protect him if she knew it was him?

Or is she just lying again?

NoelHeadbands Wed 17-Apr-13 16:38:01


I haven't a clue about the whole thing. You're all so good, I wish I had a theory.

My money's on Tom. But I don't know why

AvonCallingBarksdale Wed 17-Apr-13 17:45:54

Gahhh, it's still only Wednesday! I actually dreamed about Broadchurch last night hmm My money is still on Joe/Tom.

montage Wed 17-Apr-13 18:08:33

I think the reason the journalist woman has been reluctant to run stories before is that she knew people or felt they were part of her community.

She was very interested to start asking Pauline Quirke for info and Alec also isn't part of their community.

FeistyLassie Wed 17-Apr-13 18:26:11

I'm not sure if I missed this - did they ask PQ why she took the skateboard? And then why she gave it to Tom?

montage Wed 17-Apr-13 18:40:32

ITV have released some new teasers for the finale which are described as "no help at all"


montage Wed 17-Apr-13 18:47:51

Actually, having watched them they are all 10 seconds of teaser that even the most devoted conspiracy theorist could get nothing from. They're not even from the finale. But I shall enjoy having them popping up between ads until monday.

FeistyL I wondered that too?

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 17-Apr-13 19:19:33

took a while to find and read this thread

cant believe the last one made 1000 posts-blondes puffs out chest grin

right, you look cant half chat and as usual im still semi lost - so we know think its possibly hubby who killed him?

still dont get the clocks stopping - that was obv important,or another red herring, prob like the red diesel

roll on monday

FeistyLassie Wed 17-Apr-13 19:26:23

My new theory is that Rev Rory knows who did it but can't tell either because they confessed to him and he can't betray their confidence or because he was drunk at the time and can't be sure/doesn't want to admit he's started drinking again.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Wed 17-Apr-13 19:50:23

I LIKE that, Feisty! It fits in with why I think he looks so shifty every time the police talk to him but can't quite believe that he's the killer.

blindworm Wed 17-Apr-13 20:12:56

I think the guy who Jack thought was a postman was actually Paul. He has the same colour hair as the postman Alec and Ellie spoke to. Also could it be relevant that 'Kevin the postman' knew where Olly's boat was?
I might be paying too much attention to the postman.

Chippychop Wed 17-Apr-13 20:22:53

Oh great thinking feisty! He's been at the communion wine and can't admit it. Lovin it!

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 20:24:20

blindworm y'see I had an early inkling it might have been the postie due to him jumping on his mobile to secure his alibi. But we have seen nothing of him since, so for him to be the killer would be really unsatisfying and I hope Chris Chibnall wouldn't go there.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 20:25:36

Feisty I like your theory about the Rev!

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 20:26:31

Yes, those trailers really weren't much help!

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 20:26:56

Sorry, that was directed to montage...

MrsSalvoMontalbano Wed 17-Apr-13 20:27:16

Feisty Rev Rory grin luv it!

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 20:44:22

Yes, the Vicar has relapsed! Love it.

DP has come up with this: if someone, one of the blokes say, was afraid they had accidentally killed/hurt a child in the course of doing something dodgy (like siphoning diesel or poaching), the person they'd call would be Joe - the ex-paramedic. Ellie would be used to Joe getting up in the night to see to the toddler, so might not notice that he went out. But Tom could have been awake (texting Danny at the time?) and might have seen Joe leave, hence his questions to Joe about prison sentences - he's afraid his father did it.

MadBusLady Wed 17-Apr-13 20:51:16

...But then we came up with an alternative.

Suppose the boat thing is actually complete rubbish from start to finish. If you had a boat, you'd use it to dump a body at sea, not bring it to a different part of the land. It would take longer for discovery and mess up the post mortem more.

Psychic Steve was the first person to mention a boat, and lo and behold a boat is burnt a few days later. If he is happy to tap phones and break into cars, either or both of which might be true, he's probably also happy to burn boats to make himself look plausible.

The next person to mention the boat is PQ. She would have read about the burnt boat in the papers and just described it to the police. Suppose she IS a psycho, and she DID collude in her daughters' abuse. She made a pretty horrible threat to newspaper lady. She doesn't really care about Nige and is happy to frame him. Her boat story is just opportunistic and to misdirect attention from the hut.

...Because IF the hut is the murder scene (where the cleaning products are, where Danny's DNA is etc), the boat makes even less sense. You'd carry the body from the hut down to the beach and you wouldn't need a boat. The only thing you'd use a boat for would be carrying a body from the harbour to the beach.

WreckfestAtTiffanys Wed 17-Apr-13 21:08:55

Yes- why did they need the boat? I hadn't looked at it like that before, why not put the body in the boat and set light to it? Surely they must have known that the cause of death would be found?

Actually, perhaps it is dopey Nige then grin

He must have been killed somewhere else entirely for the boat to be necessary?

I'm wondering more and more about Ollie now, not much has been made of him apart from his journalistic ambition, so it would be a shock? Not sure of a satisfying reason though.

FeistyLassie Wed 17-Apr-13 21:55:19

I can't work out why the beach hut was the murder scene if he was strangled. Surely finding blood in the beach hut just means he was injured there but not necessarily murdered there hmm I might need to go back and watch that episode again.

charyar Wed 17-Apr-13 22:13:59

Its the police womans husband!!!!! ??????

WreckfestAtTiffanys Wed 17-Apr-13 22:19:50

So maybe he wasn't strangled until he was on the boat?

montage Wed 17-Apr-13 22:22:44

Maybe Ollie is involved in the poaching with Nige and Danny? He did go paintballing with them. Have no idea why he would be except to get more cash quickly for his mum.

RedPencils Wed 17-Apr-13 22:59:58

There had been a power cut so Danny's alarm clock had reset. Perhaps e was supposed to meet someone, but misread the time and went earlier/later than he was supposed to and stumbled upon some dodgy activity

No idea on what, who or why though.

MrsShrek3 Wed 17-Apr-13 23:02:30

<bookmarking> you lot are awesome smile

cornyponydash Wed 17-Apr-13 23:08:12

<waves to mrsshrek>

the crazy looking sister may have set fire to the boat for some reason
she said that she saw something...that leaves lots of options for the final episode. Who is Ollie's Dad?

I think that Ollie is guilty of something dodgy but not the murder.

MrsShrek3 Wed 17-Apr-13 23:10:35

<waves back>

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 05:25:46

It wasn't a power cut redpencils, I watched it again and Beth's clockwork alarm clock had stopped too, so someone had stopped them all deliberately maybe?

MrsShrek3 Thu 18-Apr-13 05:47:23

in DTs office in Mondays episode, the clock appeared to be blurred out. I pointed it out to DH. significant or continuity issue?

MrsSalvoMontalbano Thu 18-Apr-13 06:49:37

the boat thing has been bothering me too - everyone knows that forensics can tell if a body has fallen from a cliff or been strangled - to try to confuse cause of death, if you have a boat, surely far better to dump body at sea - even if washed up, forensics/time of death blurred by crabs etc

Yes MrsSalvo - I was just thinking the PM would of shown if the body had been tossed from the cliff or not (dead or alive). Remind who orginally said they had seen the boat and the man who looked like Nige dumping the body? If that is based on Susan / Elaine's testimony then it's shaky.

I like the idea that due to power cut Danny was up at crazy time (maybe he didn't know what the time was & saw it was light so headed out for his paper round), then saw something ...maybe Vicar (who has fallen off the wagon) & Joe loving it up!!!!! (I'm clinging onto this theory, but I fear it is wrong).

I think the red diesl / poaching are all red herrings.

I REALLY want to know what Ellie's sister know's and what happened to her hubby.

I feel like Mark is still holding something back and can we REALLY believe Beth about the father of the baby ? ooooooh maybe she is in a threeway with Joe & Vicar???

I'm going to have a rest now as my head hurts grin

cornyponydash Thu 18-Apr-13 08:01:11

it was dark when danny was out - it was shown on the cctv - I wonder if Ollie was out as well.

(Surely there would be more cctv footage anyway to show who else was up and about at that time )

megandraper Thu 18-Apr-13 08:37:49

Ellie is the main character and the most sympathetic, so I think the denouement must be about her / have a profound effect on her. I think her family will be destroyed by it - even if Joe/Tom didn't kill Danny, they are very involved in some way.

Is next week's episode the final one?

Yes bedhopper it's the last one.

What shall we call the last thread? Need a monumental title surely after our dedication? wink

XBenedict Thu 18-Apr-13 08:46:08

Danny Latimer - WHODUNIT?

I'm spending far too much time analysing this programme, but I love it and I love that there are other people who love it too grin

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 09:08:13

I think it'll turn out that basically everybody in Broadchurch was out at some point in that night. They all seem to wander round at night, the Vicar has secret drinking sessions in the crypt insomnia, Mark sneaks around shagging, Nige goes poaching and probably Dean and the boys as well, PQ walks her dog at 4am.

Also in an early episode DT observed how you have a good view of the playing fields and the Latimer house etc from the church. So somebody (maybe the Vicar, or not) saw something happen from the church?

If I throw out enough theories over the course of the week I am bound to get a couple of things right...

ChocsAwayInMyGob Thu 18-Apr-13 09:38:08

I'm starting to think that PQ's/Elaine's story has big holes in it.

First of all she said she was on the cliff. Then after pressure she said she was on the beach. If she lied about that what else is she lying about? Is her tragic past even true? Why did she threaten the newspaper editor with rape if she is the parent of rape victims herself?

pateran Thu 18-Apr-13 09:51:21

Didn't Ellie's Sister, Olly the journalist say she saw something of interest but wanted to charge ehr £1000 for info. Ellie has never questioned her, or have I missed that?

I'm not sure it is significant or not but everyone else has been questioned.

pateran Thu 18-Apr-13 09:51:44

* Sorry Olly's Mother.

ohforfoxsake Thu 18-Apr-13 09:54:24

Yes, she has some important info but OC thought it was just a way of getting money IIRC.

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 11:12:35

I still wonder if the woman in the hotel has told the whole truth, maybe she was only with the dad for part of the night, if at all?! maybe she was just giving an alibi to help him.

Ollie's dad left his mum 2 years ago. Wikipedia says he worked in banking but the wikipedia info is really flawed and it's never been mentioned in the programme as far as i can remember.

His mum has lots of problems, more than financial, judging by her conversation with Ellie. mental health? drugs? Alcoholic?

Ooo Duelling - recovering alcoholic who maybe know's Vicar from AA meetings? ... Tenuous, I know

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 11:35:52

maybe been blackmailing vicar for cash?

I like it. It's all coming together smile

I'm are they going to tie up all the loose ends in an hour?!

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 13:00:30

William Hill has Joe Miller 1/2 favourite apparently.

chartreuse Thu 18-Apr-13 13:05:04

Yes, I have never been able to understand why Ellie didn't pursue her sister the divulge the information she said she had. Especially later with the link to the boat.

Annianni Thu 18-Apr-13 13:14:11

I don't know if anyone's said this before, but hasn't will mellor psychic man been done for car theft in the past?

Could that be how he knows about the pendant, because he's the one who pinched it from the car?

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 13:27:38

on the other thread someone has suggested that perhaps the phone Tom was deleting messages on was Danny's phone not his. So the texts were from Danny's mum.

or.... was it someone else's phone and someone else's mum?
Maybe PQ isn't Nigel's mum, maybe she's Joe's mum! Maybe she's Tom's mum!?

Am I taking this too far round windy paternity/maternity bends!? grin

ChocsAwayInMyGob Thu 18-Apr-13 13:36:49

Yes, I have never been able to understand why Ellie didn't pursue her sister the divulge the information she said she had. Especially later with the link to the boat.

Because the sister asked for money and when Ellie refused, the sister offered her information in return for money so Ellie didn't take her seriously.

I said way down on the last thread that it's Olly - but I admit, I do think we're supposed to think it's Joe.

The paintballing trip is definitely the key to why they fell out. I think Tom threatened to tell his mum about something because she's in the police.

Asinine Thu 18-Apr-13 13:42:03

Haven't read whole thread, but I think the vicar is the killer. He me toned being insomniac for 6-7 years, and the previous child murder at Whitby mentioned was also around that time. He also knew that the newsagent was innocent.

Have I asked this before.... I'm beginning to forget!!

Where did Ollie's Dad go?

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 14:00:48

Ellie said that Ollies dad left her sister a couple of years ago. Don't know where he went.

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 14:36:30

Oooh maybe they murdered him because he was a twat, and Danny found out!

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 14:39:33

Another thought we had last night, maybe Joe had an affair, and is now in best behaviour mode? That might explain slight tension between him and Ellie and her slightly over-compensatory "we're very happily married" schtick.

OR Ellie did. shock

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 14:40:05

Whitby murder was 15 yrs ago, I think. Could be wrong.

Asinine Thu 18-Apr-13 14:43:23

I feel like watching it all again from the start, I'm sure it would read differently second time round. Is it a novel, or original screenplay?

Oh Mad - that was my thinking! Maybe Ellie's sister is an alcoholic and met the vicar at AA meeting, confided she was getting absused by her DH - Vicar helped (possibly in drunken haze) to kill him (maybe Ollie helped too). Then at the paintballing or poaching - they came across his dumped body - recognised him (clothing/ jewellery?) and the story has unravelled. It could be possible, that they didn't mean to kill Ollie's Dad & they called Joe to see if he could save his life (he didn't tell Ellie as it would be prison for her sister & nephew)...SO, Danny found out & told Tom he was going to police - blackmailed Tom for a bit, then Tom confided in his Dad who killed Danny to keep it all secret.

Disclaimer: This is pretty far fetched grin

montage Thu 18-Apr-13 14:52:42

"Ellie is the main character and the most sympathetic, so I think the denouement must be about her / have a profound effect on her. I think her family will be destroyed by it - even if Joe/Tom didn't kill Danny, they are very involved in some way. "

Yes, And it's going to be great to see Olivia Colman see that and see her fight David Tennant to protect her family. Which hopefully won't kill him.

(imagines Ellie failing to calling 999 as Alec collapses since he's the only one that knows what Tom has done - Homeland VP style).

I didn't think the sister who turned up asking for money, was the sister who owns the newspaper.

Or have I missed something?

If you own a newspaper and have some info abotu a crime, you wouldn't need to get money off your family you would put the info in the paper and sell more copies.


BOF Thu 18-Apr-13 15:25:49

No, the scrounging sister is just Ollie-the-cub-reporter's mum.

RedPencils Thu 18-Apr-13 15:38:22

The scrounging sister is Rainie off Eastenders not the newspaper lady.
I think she'll be back as she's too famous to just be in it for a couple of minutes.

MmeGuillotine Thu 18-Apr-13 16:31:03

I NEED to know who did it.

Ellie's house in the series actually belongs to the parents of a friend of mine (they are remarkably unbothered by having a pretending to be drunk David Tennant at their dining table) and I have interrogated him thoroughly to see if they were able to discover any clues but alas there are none. He did say though that the tatty walls were like that already as his parents were in the middle of decorating and that was written into the script later on, if that answers the person further up thread who was wondering why it'd taken Ellie's husband so long to do the decorating. ;)

MandragoraWurzelstock Thu 18-Apr-13 16:35:26

Oh wow <faints>

DT in your dining room

<faints some more>

motherinferior Thu 18-Apr-13 16:37:08

DT's actual bottom on one of your chairs <hyperventilates pervily>

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 16:38:31

Oh NOOOO! I was building another whole theory around the lack of decorating. grin Good insider knowledge.

I've now settled on, Olly (possibly with help of the other blokier blokes, and possibly by accident) killed his deadbeat dad, somehow or other this was discovered on the paintballing trip, and Danny somehow died because he threatened to spill. The Vicar knows about dead deadbeat dad because he saw something from outside the church.


Olly's dad is lurking in the countryside somewhere threatening/blackmailing/making trouble for Ollie and his mum. It was him who PQ saw on the boat (it's his boat, after all). But not sure how that links to Danny's death.

MandragoraWurzelstock Thu 18-Apr-13 16:40:58

I'm firmly of the belief that none of the sympathetic characters had anything to do with it.

Except Joe and Tom. The vicar knows who did it, Tom thinks he knows but doesn't, or maybe does,

I still think it's Steve

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 16:41:19

I think it has to be one of the four in the waves dream sequence,

mark, Vicar, Nige or the Vicar.

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 16:41:44

woops - two vicars, I mean Steve.

motherinferior Thu 18-Apr-13 16:41:51

I think the only person it can't be is the black boyfriend on account of wanting to avoid stereotyping wot I flagged up.

RedPencils Thu 18-Apr-13 16:43:31

DF - you've got the vicar in there twice.grin. Is that a big clue?

chartreuse Thu 18-Apr-13 16:51:53

But just because the sister was asking for money (she is desperate if she has bailiffs taking her household goods) doesn't mean she doesn't have valuable information. I just think Ellie should have put more pressure on her, rather than assuming she was bluffing.

I also think the idea of Danny/Tom blackmailing an adult is a bit ridiculous. I have an 11 yr old boy and looking at him and his friends, that seems pretty far fetched.

Def think Steve has a connection to Sandbrooke though.

I think Mark is v shifty, but if you look back to the opening of the 1st episode where he's breezily chatting to everyone he passes, he would have to be psychopathic to strangle his own son at 3am and then appear to have not a care in the world at 8.30. His conversation in the van with Nige seems to me to refer to his tryst with the hotel owner.

I'll be fed up if it's Joe he's played a pretty peripheral role in the whole story.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful Thu 18-Apr-13 16:57:05

I'm sure Mark knows something. In the first episode he seemed convinced Danny was ok when the body was found. Almost like he knew something a bit shady had happened but thought Danny wasn't involved.

I bet Mark saw Danny arrive in late the night he died, probably after poaching with Nige. Mark thought Danny went to bed but Danny went out again (at about 3am).

I think Danny went to see the Vicar and the vicar did it.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful Thu 18-Apr-13 16:58:08

Or maybe he went to see Steve and Steve did it, I really haven't got a clue

Spiritedwolf Thu 18-Apr-13 17:03:57

About the last episode... Rory ... er... the vicar, said to The Doctor er police detective Tenant... that the boy had threatened to say that he'd been touched by him if he handed over the laptop. Did he threaten that? I missed it if he did. If he didn't, then.. why did the vicar say that?

That said, looking at it from a story writing pov, I can't see the whole paedophile priest storyline being the right one. Its too cliche, and we had the 'possible paedo' red herring in the Squib Janitor newsagent chap. I do think that he probably saw something (at night looking out from the church) or has been told something confidentially, he does seem to know something he's not sharing. Of course he might have had a motive other than the abuse thing.

I hope its not Ellie's husband... though given that he has yet to have a whole episode dedicated to him being under suspicion and finding out his backstory... its definately possible. I reckon Garrow er... the boy's father or the Psychic, but I don't think PQ or her son have been totally ruled out either.

Why was the body placed on the beach, DT might have been too crass for Ellie when he said there was a perfectly good cliff there... but he was right. Did the person who placed him on the beach (not necessarily the killer) regret the death and want to place him gently? Or did they not realise he was dead when they decided to move him, but then once they realised he was dead they put him on the beach?

What was that money from? drugs, blackmarket stuff like diesel, blackmail... and what's in those emails? And the skateboard, why did she take it? <puzzled>

MadBusLady Thu 18-Apr-13 17:04:58

Yes, didn't we see a sequence at some point when Mark went and comforted Danny crying in his room at night? That could have been after Mark got back from seeing Becca, so about 1-2am. So something had clearly already happened to upset Danny and Mark knew about it - and that's what he was referring to in his conversation with Nige. But then Danny went out again.

So on that basis yes, Mark knows something, he has a vague idea of what a motive would be, but doesn't know who exactly did it. Except he did seem to be fairly certain Nige didn't do it, cos he reacted totally calmly when Nige called to say he'd been arrested (totally different from his first reaction when he heard about Jack's criminal record).

Spiritedwolf Thu 18-Apr-13 17:11:15

I wouldn't necessarily assume the money was Danny's just because it was in his room. On programmes with search dogs, they often find things in the children's bedrooms put there by adults.

LIZS Thu 18-Apr-13 17:12:31

Would the tide not have come in between 3am and part way through sports day ? We've no way of knowing that he was on the beach immediately after the opening shot of his hands dripping. If his body was brought by boat some time had elapsed in between so events may not be closely connected.

MandragoraWurzelstock Thu 18-Apr-13 17:24:20

They said the tide would be in soon at the start, but the tents somehow stayed up for several days/weeks. That is bothering me.

DuelingFanjo Thu 18-Apr-13 17:27:26

see, there is a vague connection between Joe and mark.

Joe is from Barry in Wales. in The first or second episode Ellie tells DT that Mark's mother is in Wales. Connected? Swapped at birth?

MrsSalvoMontalbano Thu 18-Apr-13 18:59:18

This thread gets better and better grin MadBusLady and DuellingFango you are especially dedicated on our behalf - like others, my head is exploding and am grateful to those who are teasing out all the clues, just verysad that come Tuesday we shall never again see the like of this thread sad

AuntieMaggie Thu 18-Apr-13 19:05:54

I thought the significance of the clocks stopping was because it was the time Danny died, like a spiritual thing...

That's what I thought....they stopped just to emphasise the time Danny died...

BOF Thu 18-Apr-13 19:17:02

Going back to the point one clever MNer made in the previous thread, what happened to basic police procedure? Computer work, phone records, investigating why the clocks had stopped?

MandragoraWurzelstock Thu 18-Apr-13 19:20:39

It's quite hard to actually stop a clockwork clock. Does anyone even have them these days?

montage Thu 18-Apr-13 19:29:03

I thought that when Mark comforted Danny (and said sorry to him), that was a memory but one episode review referred to it as a dream? confused

montage Thu 18-Apr-13 19:32:53

V impressed by having David tennant and Olivia Coleman in someone's house!

Did you see the interview where Olivia Coleman described what happened when they were filming and some passing motorists spotted David Tennant?

I fear I would do the same grin

BOF Thu 18-Apr-13 19:43:07

Ah, that was great, montage, thanks.

aloiseb Thu 18-Apr-13 19:50:34

This may have been covered in 1st thread ( no time to look - consider 1h a wkquite enough to give to Broadchurch; it's not that good) but why is someone who is potentially involved in the case being detective for it?
Are the police so short of staff that they can't tell her to go away and stay away, or is Ellie's intimate local knowledge considered an advantage in this sort of case?

BOF Thu 18-Apr-13 20:12:39

Bit of both, I think, aloise.

montage Thu 18-Apr-13 20:16:53

There is also an on location interveiw with them

Just thinking when Pauline Quirke says everyone has a secret, everyone's secret has pretty much been discovered apart from Ollie and Joe's now.

Ollie is the only one presented as not having a secret which is fairly suspicious in itself in Broadchurch.

BOF Thu 18-Apr-13 20:29:05

Good point, montage. The little weasel. I don't trust him now...<over-invested>

Yeah,he's way to nice...
also,it keeps saying the whole community will be rocked,and he's connected to quite a lot of people,including Ellie...

It'd better be a good backstory/motive though,because I can't think of a decent one for him ATM.

cornyponydash Thu 18-Apr-13 21:12:42

ellie's secret has not been discovered

also aussie landlady has gone quiet

teejwood Thu 18-Apr-13 23:07:04

I am LOVING all the theories!!

Have read that Joe is the main suspect, but is that mainly because his secrets haven't been unveiled as yet? I can see that he once lived in a town where a child was raped and died, but there was no sexual violence towards Danny - so if he was guilty of the former then the latter would not be his MO, surely? Also, I can see he isn't completely honest with Ellie regarding what the boys are up to etc, but does that make him a killer? And was his secret the simple fact that he was keeping secrets from Ellie? In addition, I can't help but feel that if an experienced paramedic was going to kill someone they may know how to do it in a way that didn't leave any traces/clues - even strangulation marks. I can see that in dramatic terms, though, Ellie's husband would be a big reveal.

Also, re Ollie <it can't be him, he is Leonardo who fights for good grin> I just haven't seen a huge amount of clues regarding motive. Yes he was at the paintball session. Yes he knew where the boat was. But isn't his secret the fact he blew everyone's lives apart by filing the story about the murder and then putting together the "touching" story about Jack which ended up being 'spun' by the Herald editor to be completely accusatory? In effect, he has wrought grief and upset and (in Jack) death on the community - just like the killer - all for personal advancement and gratification.
[As a sidenote, did anyone whose children watch Leonardo find it a bit ewwww that he was having sex with the hack?]

As Spirited says upthread, why place the body on the beach to be found? It's likely that this means the person is very well connected to the family and wants them to have a body to bury. If we can figure that out then Psychic Steve ain't exactly a marvel for coming to the same conclusion! Mark Latimer still has some unaccounted time, and where the blazes did he go that night he stormed off with the beer bottle in his hand? Even so, he seemed to be tucked up in bed when his boy was dying, and was 'post sex perky' the next morning - so Chris Chibnall would have to come up with something pretty convincing for it to be Mark, imho.

teejwood Thu 18-Apr-13 23:26:59

Oh - the other thing that I noticed - it's probably nothing - but since the start of the series most of the publicity shots of the "whole" cast have always seemed to be missing one character - but there is another figure shadowed in the SOCO tent, who you can't see.

Make of that what you will <ties into my theory so I likes it emoticon>

XBenedict Fri 19-Apr-13 00:58:06

So could it be the soco that asked Ellie out? That's just too obscure and random isn't it? Nah it's got to be Joe with everything Ellie was saying to PQ on Monday about not knowing what was going on in her own house.

AllOverIt Fri 19-Apr-13 07:04:07

Can't wait until Monday now!

AuntieMaggie Fri 19-Apr-13 07:18:20

Watching the clips above I just remembered that I thought it weird that Beth didn't know where her son was, wasn't at all concerned or that he was missing til the teacher said... Is that realistic for a boy of that age?

MandragoraWurzelstock Fri 19-Apr-13 07:26:06

yes, he had a paper round so could easily have gone to school before they woke up.

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 07:30:06

XBenedict - no, not the SOCO. When you look at the pictures it's one of the main cast members who is not included - so when you think about it you could assume that character is the person in the SOCO tent. And why would they be there unless they were the reason for the SOCO tent in the first place? I can't believe it's taken me so long to spot it, actually confused

AuntieMaggie she wouldn't have missed Danny as she thought he had just got up early for his paper round, when the rest of them had slept in due to the power cut/Danny stopping all the clocks in the house.

There is a real difference between the way Danny is parented - where he is given a LOT of freedom for such a young boy, by parents who were very young when he was born and Tom, whose parents were older and more world weary/aware of the dangers of the world perhaps, and who keep him on a comparatively short leash. I can imagine that in the hormonal world of 10/11 year old boys that was a source of conflict between the two, particularly as Danny's independence helped him gain financial independence...

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 07:33:11

And having given it considerable thought, I have concluded that the SOCO tent was never swamped by the tide because DT's sonic screwdriver was used to hold back the tide grin

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 07:34:02

x-post Mandragora grin

MandragoraWurzelstock Fri 19-Apr-13 07:38:10

LOL at sonic screwdriver grin

MandragoraWurzelstock Fri 19-Apr-13 07:39:30

and shock at the missing person

I see what you mean

intheshed Fri 19-Apr-13 07:42:43

I reckon that when we see him on the cliff top with the red diesel dripping from his hands he has seen something/something bad has happened (perhaps his dad and aussie lady??) so he ran away. Then either someone catches up with him, or he notices the vicar's light is on so runs there for help.

We only have the vicar's word for it that it actually is Tom's laptop and that Tom threatened him....

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 07:43:58

It's mad, isn't it, Mandragora? The picture, that is. And that was used in TV mags to describe the main cast. I would imagine it was a trick to get people to look at the people they had been told to look at, and not where they perhaps should be looking iykwim...

MadBusLady Fri 19-Apr-13 07:46:50

Beth is anxious about Danny from the start of the day. She is very uneasy when she sees he hasn't taken his packed lunch.

Who's missing from the publicity pics then? Sleazy SOCO guy?

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 07:51:22

MadBus not SOCO - just google Broadchurch and then select images. Look at one of the images that seems to include most of the main cast members - and then spot who's missing!

jumperooo Fri 19-Apr-13 07:51:30

I just googled broadchurch cast photo and there are two on google images that look the same, except one has Maggie and Ollie in it next to the reporter woman, and the other has just the reporter woman, forget her name?? Nigel and will Mellor character not in either I don't think?

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 07:58:39

Try this pic
or - I don't get Tv magazines but if this was replicated in most of the other mags then it seems odd one of the main cast is left out...

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 08:02:15

jumperoo one of the characters you mention is there, one isn't wink

The thing is, it did cross my mind that maybe that person wasn't there the day they were doing the main publicity shots, but they are in other shots (so probably were present at the time) and also they would just have photoshopped him in. So it must be deliberate.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 19-Apr-13 08:02:56

Have been looking at those photos. I think there are two main cast members not appearing in the photos. Hmmm.

jumperooo Fri 19-Apr-13 08:04:16

Isn't that supposed to be Danny in the tent? Creepy.

That second one Tee is a different picture to the two I've seen on google?! Sorry my mistake, will mellor is in both pics I saw plus the ones you've just linked but no nige or the vicar in any of them and ollie and Maggie only in some. Must be ploy to confuse!

MadBusLady Fri 19-Apr-13 08:05:45

Hm, most of those have some people missing. I can't find Nige in any of them though. Isn't the figure in the tent supposed to be Danny?

MadBusLady Fri 19-Apr-13 08:06:41


Some quite bad photoshopping going on too grin

AuntieMaggie Fri 19-Apr-13 08:11:17

I reckon there are 4 significant characters missing...

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 10:12:43

I have now bothered to look at a large version of one of the images and you are all right - it looks like Danny grin
Still doesn't explain why one person is missing from all (?) the group shots I could find, though wink
Unless, of course, that is yet another red herring! I'm just suspicious that the production and publicity team were trying to direct us away from the perp - and as it reinforces my guess I'm happy to go with that grin

fruitstick Fri 19-Apr-13 10:14:46

But it could also be an elaborate double bluff.

I would love it if Tom did it & he is on the cliff.

Showing the murderer in the opening scene would be brilliant!

yellowhousewithareddoor Fri 19-Apr-13 10:27:37

I think its Joe but then that is probably what those of us that obsess about these things are supposed to think... so maybe it isn't?

Perhaps there WILL be a big reveal about Joe and whatever is on the computer exposing that OC's family isnt the tight knit one she hopes it is...

... leading to the "real" story.

Looks suspicious for Nige with those photos but didnt his mother say he was home with her when he tried to be Marks alibi?

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 10:39:03

yellow his alibi only worked till 10:30 when his (as we now know) adoptive mum said he had gone out to join the lads for a pint before last orders. Thereafter we know he was out poaching and stealing diesel.

yellowhousewithareddoor Fri 19-Apr-13 10:41:49

Ah of course. Is it Monday yet....

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 10:44:22

If it turns out it is Joe and Tom and Ellie has to say something feeble like "oh I sleep really soundly/took a sleeping pill so I didn't realise I was alone in the house while they were committing murder" then I will shake my fist most vigorously at the telly/Chris Chibnall <huffs>

DuelingFanjo Fri 19-Apr-13 16:43:51

One thing I am not sure about... Did they get anything from Danny's computer (if he had one) and if not could it be that someone broke in and tampered with it and that's connected o he electricity gong off? Clutching at more straws. Only 3 sleeps to go!

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 17:09:18

DF I LIKE that idea about the computer/power cut!

MadBusLady Fri 19-Apr-13 17:12:22

I do wonder if someone broke in, but not for that reason (not sure a computer can cause a power cut, it's very low wattage, and how would that affect the alarm clock?) DT asks in Ep 1 if there are any signs of a break-in and Mark says no and Beth looks at him in a v puzzled way.

I might just be scanning the characters' faces too closely now. grin

I think the vicar did it. Or did he? confused

Hurry up Monday!!

RedPencils Fri 19-Apr-13 17:26:11

SOCO would be a real curve ball. Can't be him.

motherinferior Fri 19-Apr-13 17:35:53

But that's why it could be: it has to be a curve ball. I just think we're being pushed far too hard to think 'has to be the husband'.

I went out for lunch with another journalist who had interviewed OC - and no, she didn't know who did it - and we then spent a very animated 15 minutes speculating madly.

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 19-Apr-13 18:03:25

i assumed it was danny in the tent - tho why would he be standing - surely would be lying down - unless meant to be the murderer?

MrsSalvoMontalbano Fri 19-Apr-13 18:09:04

so... am now preparing for Monday grin never thought I'd say that!
Wine, snacks, sofa booked (told DH & DC that I shall be available only for life-threatening situations between 9 and 10.10, and they can do what they like, wherever they like on Monday, but the living room is mine, ALL MINE!)
And looking forward to this thread deconstruct on Tues... NEVER done that before a tv prog. grin

XBenedict Fri 19-Apr-13 18:35:04

I thought the scene in the bedroom with Danny and Mark was a dream.

There was also the bloke that DT was talking to one night - was that a dream/all in his mind too?

MadBusLady Fri 19-Apr-13 18:44:11

Oh, maybe it was then. I thought Mark could have been flashing back? But yes, equally likely he just feels guilty.

What bloke was DT talking to? shock Must rewatch more.

fruitstick Fri 19-Apr-13 18:56:34

Maybe we were supposed to think it was a dream wink

Maybe Danny did come home that night, after catching Mark with Becca. But then went out again.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Danny in that scene was wet (maybe imagining things). Why would he be wet, even with the boat & the body on the beach?

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 19:13:27

It has to be a major character, one that has featured prominently.

Whatever Tom is involved in also has to be something heavy that throws Ellie into turmoil to fulfil all that "in your own house" foreshadowing last week.

Joe was remarkably sanguine laughing away with Alec when he came to dinner if he actually did it - I know the actor wouldn't know if he was the guilty one but he would have been directed to act shifty/tortured, like the vicar constantly does, for that scene if he had done anything surely?

The Latimer's were probably right when they gave Ellie a list of suspects that turned out to be all their friends as every single person in the village seems to be connected to them.

MooneyRara Fri 19-Apr-13 19:45:25

Just rewatching episode 2. The postman is lying. He says he was with the lads that night, they got hammered...and they finished at about 4.

Then he phones someone.
we haven't heard any more from him though. And it's almost definitely him in the flashback with Danny.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 19-Apr-13 20:05:38

Gah - saw tis thread in active convos and have been sucked in.
I am meant ot be WORKING here....
I haven't read Jude the Obscure blush - too much Tess put me off Hardy - what is the link with this pls?

MooneyRara Fri 19-Apr-13 20:11:50

I'm not convinced there is one tbh - if you read the plot on Wiki it doesn't sound very similar.

The connections are Hardy's books being set in Wessex, something about a 'broad church' in his writing and also that the newsagent was reading it.

MooneyRara Fri 19-Apr-13 20:13:17

oh and when Joe and Ellie talk to Tom in his bedroom, about talking to the police and can she be there, Joe puts his hand on Tom's in a very emphatic manner. Like he's trying to stop him saying anything.

MooneyRara Fri 19-Apr-13 20:14:39

sorry that bit isn't to do with hardy!

greenhill Fri 19-Apr-13 20:18:13

Well it has been put much better up thread, but Alec HARDY, is a character in BROADCHURCH, a theory that Thomas Hardy wrote of, it is set in DORSET it involves a child's death by asphyxiation (child perpetrator and victims in Jude, the motive was to save the family though). The newsagent was reading Jude as his alibi on the night Danny died. I agree with mooneyrara the links are tenuous and circumstantial...

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 20:28:52

Shall we have a whodunnit bunfight now Olivia for you to moderate, to justify your just staying on this thread?

I do get quite snarky when anyone suggests that David Tennant had anything to do with it, or that lovely Ellie is anything other than she seems.

qazxc Fri 19-Apr-13 20:34:53

I have given out trying to work it out as it makes my head hurt.
I'll plonk my money on Danny coming out of the shower telling Beth it was all a dream (a la Bobby Ewing in Dallas)

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 20:46:28

Yes qazxc, when Alec clutched his head on monday, at yet another complication in the case, (and said to Ellie "as if working with you wasn't annoying enough!"), I really felt his pain.

DuelingFanjo Fri 19-Apr-13 20:59:51

DT was talking to his doctor at one point, about his illness, in what looked like a bus shelter.

I think it's less about the who and more about the why.

ILikeToMowIt Fri 19-Apr-13 21:00:11

I think Alec Hardy did it
<runs from Montage>

ILikeToMowIt Fri 19-Apr-13 21:02:36

Well: Having read that apparently we are all going to be horribly shocked when we find out who it is, I have concluded that actually the characters that would shock me most would be Alec, Beth, and Ellie. As apparently the person who did it had large hands I don't think it could have been Beth or Ellie. So it has to be Alec.

Actually, if you follow the Hardy-Jude-etc theory: Alec is the bad guy in a Hardy novel too (Tess). I think he may not know it himself though. Some of his symptoms and behaviour suggest that he might have some multiple personality disorder: blackouts headaches etc.

Alec Hardy is the one character that links Sandbrook and Broadchurch (as far as we know). He had a dream about being on the beach with a boy and a girl at a beach (Danny and the Sandbrook girl?). I think the "daughter" he called a few times, leaving a message on his phone is the Sandbrook girl.

I think it is also highly suspicious that he shows up in Broadchurch, and Danny gets killed.

Theory over.
Can't wait for Monday!

ILikeToMowIt Fri 19-Apr-13 21:09:41

And having just checked the odds, I am thinking i should place a bet : 20/1 grin

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 21:12:14

Olivia the Jude thing first popped up as important because Jack said he was reading it on the night of the murder - the book was his only alibi. That then gives us three references to the book - Jack bringing it up, the fact that Jude comes from Wessex (and Broadchurch is set in the same area) and DI Alec HARDY. From there, it's all about interpretation - and Hardy enthusiasts please bear with me while I paraphrase and shortcut with abandon.

In the book, the protagonist, Jude, enters into a bad marriage. The woman dumps him after a couple of years so Jude moves away and eventually enters into another relationship with his cousin, who also had been unhappily married. They have two children of their own and take in another child - from Jude's first relationship (of whose existence he had not been aware). The family's situation is bleak; when landlords and employers find out the truth (they are unmarried/incestuous), they sack Jude/turf the family out of their home. The oldest child believes that the problem is that there are too many children, so he kills his younger siblings and then himself. Jude's cousin/partner is pregnant, and miscarries because of the shock and grief.

There is a sense that the oldest child was always going to be disturbed because he came from an unhappy and ill-starred union. That he would come to murder and commit suicide was inevitable.

If we take elements of that plot across to Broadchurch, you can see a child murder, a suicide (albeit the suicide we know of was not that of Danny's killer), a mother of 2 children pregnant with a third. In the counselling session with Paul, Mark talks about Beth being so full of life when they met, which is very like Sue (Jude's cousin) when they first meet, until circumstances grind them down.

So if we take the family as broadly similar, who is the cuckoo, the additional child in the mix? To me, that is Nige. He is not just Mark's junior/work colleague, he is part of the family. Involved in birthday parties for Danny, coming around often to help cook and clean. Perhaps a boy who lost his adoptive dad as well as his real dad and looking for a father figure.

To me, the plot shows Nige as the bad blood baby (now we know about his real parentage) so I would not be surprised if he is the killer - it would fit with Thomas Hardy's views on fate.

In terms of the killer, he has the opportunity - Danny is happy to meet him at all hours. He's big, with big hands. He knew where the boat was. He is not adverse to illegal activity. He has a temper. He loves the family sufficiently that he would make sure they had Danny's body to grieve rather than burning it in the boat or just dumping it at sea. He would not even dump it over a cliff - as that would leave a mangled, broken corpse. No, he cared about Danny and so I think this was a killing in a fit of rage or panic.

It just fits, especially if you take some of the themes in Jude as a clue.

DuelingFanjo Fri 19-Apr-13 21:14:04

How can a book be an alibi?

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 21:17:46

I was being a bit sarcastic, DF! When asked where he was on the night Jack said he was in on his own reading JTO grin

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 21:19:08

The only way Alec did it would be in an evil-twin/alternate dimmension/Broadchurch-police -station-is-a-tardis sort of way

<becomes snarky grin>

I think Joe and Tom were just back from holidays when Danny was killed so Danny may have done something he wasn't meant to/muscled in on some illegal activity they are tied up in and that's why he got killed then. If it was them, as I am leaning towards Ollie too!

I think Alec's symptoms are all meant to be explained by the heart arrythmia although they were presented in a strange manner (doctors on twitter were saying they couldn't work out what was wrong with him!)

If it was Alec or Ellie I would find it very unrealistic in terms of their character (I can cope with anyone else except Danny's mum) and it would sort of spoil the whole thing for me really.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 19-Apr-13 21:19:41


Shall we have a whodunnit bunfight now Olivia for you to moderate, to justify your just staying on this thread?


teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 21:23:04

DT in "Secret Smile" many moons ago - he can do seriously bad/psychotic very well <shivers> but I hope you're wrong this time Ilike!

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 21:23:42

Alec was 50/1 a few weeks ago, when Ellie was 20/1, how did that reverse!

Have just read that as the cast didn't know who it was until just before the finale was shot, they had their own sweepstake on set. grin

ILikeToMowIt Fri 19-Apr-13 21:24:13

bun fight? how about biscuitfight? much more mumsnet, no?

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 21:30:53

just restyle DT's hair and he immediately looks scary

He is going to be back in a new drama starting on Thursday so we won't get a chance to miss him. With Emily Watson though this time.

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 21:56:11

Oh! The Politician's Husband. Yes, looking forward to that one, too, montage grin

montage Fri 19-Apr-13 22:04:16

You can get 14/1 odds that Danny Latimer killed himself. Is there something I'm missing here or does that make absolutely no sense whatsoever?

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 22:28:54

If the autopsy is correct that means they're offering 14/1 on the chance that a small child was sufficiently flexible to strangle himself from the front of his neck with big fake hands and managed to deliver sufficient force to kill himself before he passed out from oxygen deprivation?
Is the bookies Paddy bloody Power by any chance?

SomewhereInTheMiddle Fri 19-Apr-13 22:36:32

I love your very well thought out and literary theory teej! I didn't think it was Nige, but you've almost convinced me with that!

teejwood Fri 19-Apr-13 22:59:20

<bows> thank you somewhere! It expect all of it will be shot to shit come Monday night grin

Everyone's theory are far more sensible than mine!

It's getting closer.....

Dum dum dum

BOF Fri 19-Apr-13 23:38:08

I love that theory, teejwood. Great.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 19-Apr-13 23:43:16


It's getting closer.....

Dum dum dum

There was someting in the paper earlier saying "only 51 hours to go if you reading this at 5.30 on Friday"

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 19-Apr-13 23:44:49


Olivia the Jude thing first popped up as important because Jack said he was reading it on the night of the murder - the book was his only alibi. .....

It just fits, especially if you take some of the themes in Jude as a clue.

THANKS for this Teej.

WreckfestAtTiffanys Sat 20-Apr-13 00:24:19

I like the Jude theory too, it really fits with Nige and I really don't feel the entire truth came out (with PQ) there.

Ollie is just too innocent though...

WreckfestAtTiffanys Sat 20-Apr-13 00:24:47

I can't believe I'm wishing the weekend away!

MrsSalvoMontalbano Sat 20-Apr-13 06:38:48

Wow Teej brilliantly argued! If that does turn out to be correct, will be mightily impressed with ITv, no so dumbed down!

I reckon it's the sister, no idea why, I just do.

yellowhousewithareddoor Sat 20-Apr-13 10:02:45

We will all be here as its on live won't we . . .

MadBusLady Sat 20-Apr-13 10:10:41

I'll be here! We're nearly halfway through this thread though, somebody better be quick on the draw with the next one. I might go and post on the other thread about it too, otherwise we'll be divided up. The plot is confusing enough!

fruitstick Sat 20-Apr-13 10:59:09

I've suggested on tother thread that we start a brand new one on Monday night, just for the final, that we can all join together.

intheshed Sat 20-Apr-13 11:13:04

I think maybe the shock will come when it turns out Tom and/or his dad had something to do with it and Ellie turns all badass to protect them. She has already said to PQ's character she would do anything to protect her son confused

Or.... she thinks they did it, so does something bad like hides evidence/sets someone up/kills Alec and then it turns out it wasn't them after all...?

fruitstick Sat 20-Apr-13 11:15:25

I've started a new thread just for the finale, so the other thread can join in.

RedPencils Sat 20-Apr-13 12:21:01

Thanks Fruitstick. I was never going to keep up with the show and two threads.

AuntieMaggie Sat 20-Apr-13 12:43:35

The Mirror TV mag only has some of the characters as suspects... coincidence?

fruitstick Sat 20-Apr-13 12:51:40

Who have they gone for?

ScrambledSmegs Sat 20-Apr-13 13:49:06

<boggles> at Jude the Obscure links.

New to these threads, I watched a few early episodes then DD2 decided to stop sleeping. I've caught up now. Missed episode 3 though, barely remember 1 & 2. This will not help in my armchair detective-work! It means I could end up with some very odd theories aliens did it!

So, what do you think DT got from Tom's hard drive?

I actually find myself more excited about Broadchurch than whether or not i've won ebay items i'm currently bidding on!!!

teejwood Sat 20-Apr-13 18:35:12

Thanks for starting the new thread fruitstick grin

right - I posted this on t'other thread by mistake earlier today and have only just got back online to put it in the right place, apologies for the repetition to anyone who has seen it there:

Thank you for your kind words on the Jude theory - like I said it probably won't be right come Monday, but if I am right I would be so happy that prime-time, water-cooler drama has such a literary theme. I've quite liked Chris Chibnall's work to date, so if he has written this as an homage to Hardy and Dorset I'd like him even more!!

Re the daughter and why she wanted to pull a sickie that day - my theory is she knew or suspected that Becca and her dad had a date fixed for the previous evening and wanted to be around for her mum in case it all came out or her dad decided to come home and announce he was leaving.

teejwood Sat 20-Apr-13 18:39:39

AuntieMaggie who has the Mirror left in?

intheshed - I think Ellie is going to get a dose of every working mother's worst nightmare - she's going to find out that she wasn't able to protect her son to date, even though she thought she had. Something is going to have gone on in the background while she wasn't looking, whether that is abuse or bullying or becoming involved in drug running for a group of the adults, alongside Danny.

teejwood Sat 20-Apr-13 18:41:09

NB - finding out something has happened to your child is every SAHM's nightmare, too, but I'd assume as a copper Ellie reckons she knows what's going on so it will be more of a shock to her!

AuntieMaggie Sat 20-Apr-13 18:42:39

Beth, Mark, Tom, Joe, Jack hmm, PQ woman, Nige, Becca, the vicar and Alec Hardy...

And they've given them odds here

Do I now post of the 'finale' thread? I'm confused smile

MadBusLady Sat 20-Apr-13 19:37:57

I'm going to post there on Monday night and here for continuing vague rubbish theorizing.

It still could be the whole Joe/Tom thing. One of them is protecting the other. Maybe Danny was bullying Tom, maybe Joe wanted to give him a fright and it went wrong.

Oh, also. Do we definitely know Jack marshall was a suicide? confused It seemed to be skated over quite quickly but I've not rewatched that episode yet.

OrlaKiely Sat 20-Apr-13 20:06:33

I like this thread tbh. I'm staying put I think brewsmile

I've signed in on the finale thread, will stay here till then.

Oh oh oh - advert for Monday's episode just shown on ITV with #closure

Dum dum dum

BOF Sat 20-Apr-13 21:59:57

How about we don't end this thread until Monday, and then link the other one and all move over?

I'd love us to stay together- we've bonded over eight weeks grin. I get quite irrationally irritated that there's a separate thread in Chat, I feel possessive of this one!

teejwood Sat 20-Apr-13 22:37:24

MadBusLady agree with you about Jack - everyone assumed it was suicide but we don't necessarily know that it was.

You're right, BOF and Orla, this is a lovely thread <plumps up cushions, offers wine>

MrsShrek3 Sat 20-Apr-13 22:59:51

grin pleased we've moved on from brew to wine
I am spending far far too much time trying to figure this lot out. and every time I think I have my theory, I read something else awesomely clever on here and have to go and rethink....
<gets more cushions>

MrsShrek3 Sat 20-Apr-13 23:01:12

(sorry to butt in, I'm a long time lurker in your thread. only posted about twiceblush )

teejwood Sat 20-Apr-13 23:08:26

<chinks glasses with MrsShrek>
In 48 hours we will KNOW.

fruitstick Sat 20-Apr-13 23:13:25

Oh now I feel bad for starting a new thread hmm. I have been flirting with both.

The idea was that we stay where we are until Monday, except to post a theory on before then, so someone can crow about how clever they were without scrolling through 20 pages of chatter.

Have already told DH to leave the house and he rejected my offer to watch them all again this weekend so he could catch up grin

BOF Sat 20-Apr-13 23:17:26

Yes, yes, absolutely- it was a great idea thanks, we should have one, sorry! But yeah, mark places and stay here until it starts?

I'm ridiculously excited grin

yellowhousewithareddoor Sat 20-Apr-13 23:39:50

Not long now.