Are we ready for Mad Men tomorrow night?

(610 Posts)
Lighthousekeeping Mon 08-Apr-13 17:31:12

So excited. We're we starting to see cracks in the marriage last season? I hope we see more of Betty this time.

Kneedeepindaisies Mon 08-Apr-13 21:14:55

Is it tomorrow? How exciting!

I want to see more Betty and Roger.

Less of Megan.

More of Old Don not the wussy one in the last series.

lovelychops Mon 08-Apr-13 23:03:15

Thought it was Wednesday 10pm?

Lighthousekeeping Mon 08-Apr-13 23:05:10

Oh, thanks for the reminder!! I'm all over the place this week as I've been off work. I will have to repay he myself up now!

lovelychops Mon 08-Apr-13 23:06:55

I could technically go into labour any day now, hope its after mad men wink!

UntamedShrew Tue 09-Apr-13 02:41:02

Ooh where it is on?

Machli Tue 09-Apr-13 02:45:46

Don needs to dump Megan pronto. I find her SO irritating.

Yes to more Betty.

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Tue 09-Apr-13 02:50:56

I like Megan!
She might not be in it at all though, they're doing a time shift aren't they?

Lighthousekeeping Tue 09-Apr-13 15:13:11

It's sky Atlantic tomorrow night. I want more Betty and I want Don to be bak to his bad old ways.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 09-Apr-13 15:17:54

I'm so excited, a two hour special.
Because it has already been shown on American TV I had a sneaky google and found out what happens in the first episode.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 09-Apr-13 16:53:14

Oh, don't tell!

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 09-Apr-13 18:09:28

grin am gagged.
I'm so excited though and pleased that they put the last episode of season 5 up on Monday.
Don Draper yummmmmmmmmmmmy.

Pascha Tue 09-Apr-13 18:11:33

envy that I don't get sky atlantic and we've just finished season 5 boxset so I have to wait now. I will be vicariously watching this thread for as many spoilers as you all can manage. smile

Lighthousekeeping Tue 09-Apr-13 18:48:34

Can you get it off iTunes?

PirateShit Tue 09-Apr-13 18:51:47

I'm so excited. Last episode of season 5 is on tonight so gonna watch that to remind myself of the end. Can't wait, it's my best programme and dh loves it too, which is a rarity in this house. I, also, want more Betty. And Don, just Don. Lots of Don. Eeek.

Pascha Tue 09-Apr-13 19:56:47

I could, yes, but that costs money and I'm a cheapskate. grin

Piggychunk Tue 09-Apr-13 20:05:16

Cannot wait either I hope the put the old skool adverts on again like they did for the first episode of season 5

IdaBlankenship Tue 09-Apr-13 20:06:19

I shall mix myself an Old Fashioned and spark up my Lucky Strikes..

To get us in the mood, check out the Tom & Lorenzo blog, very good dissection of the fashion and general fabulousness of Mad Men, episode by episode; www.tomandlorenzo.com/tag/mad-style

Snazzynewyear Tue 09-Apr-13 20:06:53

Ohhhhhhhhhh yes. I have hung onto Sky, against my better judgement, pretty much purely because of Mad Men.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 09-Apr-13 20:19:56

I want to see lots of Don - having sex purleease wink
And lots of Roger with his killer one liners.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 09-Apr-13 20:20:30

Whats in an old fashioned?

wem Tue 09-Apr-13 20:22:21

Snazzynewyear I left Virgin for Sky just for Mad Men. I told the Virgin person I wanted Sky Atlantic and he seemed pretty pissed of with me/incredulous that I was leaving just for channel - I didn't want to tell him I was leaving just for one program grin

IdaBlankenship Tue 09-Apr-13 20:24:50

Accidental its Don's drink of choice en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Fashioned

Lighthousekeeping Tue 09-Apr-13 20:30:55

It's not far that Sky hold us to ransom, just for one man show.

I don't find Jon Hamm half as attractive in anything else.

Schlock Tue 09-Apr-13 20:31:02
IdaBlankenship Tue 09-Apr-13 20:31:58

I only have Sky for this and <ahem> America's Next Top Model

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 09-Apr-13 21:35:40

Ah it's whisky. Yummy

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 09-Apr-13 21:36:43

God, I bloody love Americas next top model. How can we like both?? One is intelligent and classy and the other.....isn't.

IdaBlankenship Tue 09-Apr-13 21:42:28

Nooo Accidental, Tyra is actually really deep.. a modern day philosopher.... OK, OK I'm not even convincing myself!

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Wed 10-Apr-13 08:01:01

Ha! I've gone off ANTM myself. Maybe I am growing up, not like you immature loooosers.
(Might have to watch next season to check out the new judges though.)

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Wed 10-Apr-13 10:23:42

New judges <looks around> who, when, where?
I am currently hanging my head in shame that anyone knows I like ANTM (am very responsible and feminist in RL)

Anyhoo, back to Mad Men. Are we staying up to watch or sky plus sing and watching tomorrow?
I'm going to try and stay up (I'm an hour ahead of the UK) so will be a late one for me.

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Wed 10-Apr-13 14:00:16

I have a five week old baby so I doubt I will get through a double episode until the weekend. Will come back to read analysis after!

Lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Apr-13 14:00:44

I'm beside myself. Just deciding if I need to get wine in or will it spoil my concentration? Don't forget it's two hours.

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 14:03:03

Accidental I'm a Guardian reading, lentil weaving, bleeding heart liberal in RL but I do love me a bit of ANTM.

But yes, Mad Men, I shall watch tonight - I read an interview with Matt Weiner where he said that this whole season is the answer to the question "Are you alone?" that the girl in the bar posed at the end of last season.

Hopefully we will have less Megan and more Betty - I'm loving Betty's new housecoat wearing, binging self as I always found her very hard to warm to (something the writers have done on purpose I'm sure), and I like seeing a chink in her armour.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Wed 10-Apr-13 14:37:22

I love Betty, she uses so few words and allows a silence to develop.
I love Joan, she's so sure of herself plus she's a visual feast.
I hope Peggy comes back to work with Don, I love their dynamic.
Bloody Megan with her zooby bisous bisous. Criiinge.

I feel deeply reassured that loving ANTM is not a sign of failed womanhood, even though I spend most of the time watching in like this hmm

NoseyParker4aHusband Wed 10-Apr-13 14:58:48

I used to love Mad Men, watched every single episode when the Beeb had it even though they screwed around with the viewing times so much (just like Damages). But we do not have Sky Atlantic so have missed the last series. I will have to try to find some way of watching it elsewhere sad. I totally agree with your comments on the women Accidental grin

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 15:23:13

At the beginning I really disliked January Jones and found her acting really static, but now I think it is actually a really good portrayal of Betty's brittle nature and her internalisation of emotions.
Joan is glorious and so tragic, when her capabilities were constantly overlooked at work and the choices she felt she had to make, always made me sad.
I think they'll find a way to bring Peggy back to Stirling Cooper Draper Pryce, as the dynamic between Don and Peggy was too good to lose.
Nosey - it is such a shame that the BBC no longer have Mad Men - their commissioning choices are a bit confused

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Wed 10-Apr-13 15:28:42

Yes, Joan agreeing to sleep with that awful man in return for a partnership when Don did such a great presentation they would have won it anyway. Don turning up to her house saying 'don't do it' and she already had sad

I love that Mad Men makes us think and work it out, I love it's subtlety. My husband's like this 'eh? nothing happens'

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 15:52:07

Exactly the same here! My husband doesn't watch it as he thinks its too slow and nothing happens. I think the beauty is in the slowness - my favourite Mad Men moment is a single look between Pete and Peggy when he has told the office that Trudie is pregnant - it encapsulated the whole of their history together in an instant - its on Youtube here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-g4m2OCkrk

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Wed 10-Apr-13 18:27:50

I agree Ida the beauty is in the slowness and the detail.
I absolutely love the casting too. Who else could have played Don and Roger quite as well as they do?

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 20:32:57

Oh man - how did I miss that it is a double episode? There's no way I can watch it all tonight grrrr angry.
lighthouse I think wine is mandatory isn't it? - MM is guaranteed to want to make you drink like a fish and start smoking!

Lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Apr-13 21:27:25

I have a Merlot but I'm scared as I'm up at 6 for work!! Damn, I thought it would start at nine.

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 21:34:07

Me too.. (the starting at 9 thing, not getting up with you for work at 6 - that would be a bit weird).
I have some Chablis, which is not very MM. I think I need to blow the dust off the Xmas spirits and see what I can find.

Lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Apr-13 21:43:32

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Sally is coming on.

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 10-Apr-13 21:58:15

It's about to start.

I am ridiculously excited smile

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:00:20

Wheeee!

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 10-Apr-13 22:08:20

She's still annoying then hmm

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:10:43

Wish I looked that good in a bikini though envy

Snazzynewyear Wed 10-Apr-13 22:11:50

Seven minutes in for the first ad break is taking the piss. <growls at Sky>

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 10-Apr-13 22:16:14

She is gorgeous.

And I agree, ad break is taking the piss.

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:22:30

WTF Betty?

Snazzynewyear Wed 10-Apr-13 22:23:24

That was super weird from Betty.

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 10-Apr-13 22:25:36

Disturbing. And I can't even figure out if she was really joking.

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:30:41

I don't think he could either

Lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Apr-13 22:42:12

What year are we in?

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 10-Apr-13 22:44:17

Bahahaha. Harry Crane!

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:44:38

69, 70?

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 10-Apr-13 22:45:00

I think it's the end of '67.

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:45:54

Ugh - these ad breaks are too much - I miss BBC4. It may be a better experience to Sky+ after all

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:46:24

Haha Kneedeep I'm always rubbish at dates!

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:48:15

Have googled and it appears to be end of 1968

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 22:49:22

Ignore me - you are right kneedeep

Lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Apr-13 23:15:50

I love Betty.

IdaBlankenship Wed 10-Apr-13 23:18:51

I'm throwing in the towel - I shall have to watch the rest tomorrow. G'night all.

Lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Apr-13 23:24:36

I know what you mean. It demands concentration. I'm falling asleep!

Lighthousekeeping Thu 11-Apr-13 06:48:35

I fell asleep. Maybe two hours is just too much?

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 09:07:13

I fell asleep too. 2 hours is a long time to concentrate grin

Does anyone know the name of the website that points out all the little subtleties that go over my head

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 09:07:13

In a rare moment in our house, I was the first up, so watched it this morning. The last 10 minutes had a certain inevitability about it!

Lighthousekeeping Thu 11-Apr-13 09:20:40

I think it's the last ten I have to see. It's far to intelligent to hold my attention for two hours!!!

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 09:38:07

Tbh Lighthouse you could just watch the last 10 minutes and get away with it.

Not enough Joan in these episodes for my liking.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 11-Apr-13 09:41:44

I haven't read any of the comments above, I'm just sitting down to catch up now. Excited!!

Lighthousekeeping Thu 11-Apr-13 09:42:19

I remember last season thinking it was time for it too finish. I do hope it picks up,

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 09:44:28

Ok Accidental & Lighthouse I shall wait until you have caught up!
Kneedeep - it was a very Betty heavy and Joan light episode. Could have done with a bit less of one and a bit more of the other really.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 09:47:35

I agree Idasmile

I love Mad Men but after watching it I do feel like I'm not very intelligent. I can only hope that all the stuff that goes over my head might mean something later on.

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 09:53:08

Maybe we get smarter by osmosis just be watching it <hopeful>

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 13:20:28

What was the dialogue between Don and neighbour woman right at end - kept rewinding and couldn't make it out

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 13:47:32

I think she said what do you want next year and he said I want to not be doing this.

It was a bit whispery and garbled though so I'm probably wrong!

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 17:28:18

At the New Years Eve party, as soon as I saw the wife, I knew it would be her. He obviously likes his brunettes.
What did everyone think of Betty's Liz Taylor barnet?

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 17:58:18

Thanks knee deep, there was another bit where I thought he mentioned Dante, which might have been to do with him reading Inferno on the beach at the start, so maybe it was her book, or maybe they didn't say Dante at all...

It's odd, in some ways the scenes can be very languid, but I find it really easy to miss bits of dialogue at the same time

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 18:03:53

I enjoyed it but it's kind of hard work at the same time, coming back after a break. So many references to get

The shoe shine box with Roger breaking down was a good bit, but I've no idea who Giorgio (?) is/was, and end up thinking was he in this episode or am I supposed to have remembered him from before

Almost need to watch each episode twice to get all the different bits

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 11-Apr-13 18:17:20

Georgio I don't think has been referenced before but they said Roger was the only one who asked for Georgio so they gave him the shoe shine box after he died.

Yes, in bed they talked about her lending him Dantes Inferno that he was reading at the beginning on the beach.

I love the way that Don said hardly anything in the whole two hours! It's so spare

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 18:37:43

Betty can be a bit like that too, it's not always what she says but how she looks, though no idea what the rape conversation was supposed to be

I liked the bit when the photographer asked Don to look thoughtful, and then he actually was because he realised he'd got the wrong lighter. Couldn't work out where that bit of storyline was going on the holiday, still not sure actually unless there's more to it.

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 18:40:47

Echo of Don taking the wrong identity on returning from war.

It's just the holiday bar scene seemed to go on forever

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 19:33:45

There was a lot of foreshadowing of death in this episode - I hope that doesn't spell bad news for any of the main characters.
It was nice to see Peggy so professionally confident and personally content in her relationship.

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 20:15:46

Ida - was that the secretary who died in the office? One of my favourite scenes.

Yes, Peggy seemed the only happy character last night, apart from Megan but then she's misguided

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 20:33:03

Yes, Ida was Don's secretary, brought in to stop him shagging them. I loved it when it was revealed that Roger had actually slept with her when she was younger, and christened her the Queen of Perversions.

I think Megan is happy because she's completely narcissistic, so as long as she's getting what she wants she's OK.

BTW OrangeFootedScrubFowl congrats on the new baby!

jazzcat28 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:33:45

Just watching this tonight - why is Betty so much chubbier?

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 20:42:18

Apparently the rape conversation is to show us how things were viewed differently then shock

I read on the Guardian website about there being a lot of doorways, but not sure of the relevance because I skimmed it.

Forgot about Dante and The Inferno in the bedroom talk but yes it was either her book or recommendation.

Megan was so jolly compared to Don. He was bizarre!

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 20:44:05

This is the guardian link http://m.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2013/apr/11/mad-men-season-six-episode-one-two

Hope that works, I'm crap at links.

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 20:44:36

Jazzcat she's been comfort eating, she got big last season and has been going to Weightwatchers

jazzcat28 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:46:36

I must have totally missed a season then... last episode of the season I watched finished with the new Ad agency being set up from a hotel room, Betty had filed for divorce, JFK had just been shot?

jazzcat28 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:50:04

Oh lord, just looked up which season I'd finished - it was season 3!!! I'm so far behind!!

<scurries off to sort out a few box sets to catch up>

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 20:58:09

Jazzcat, I am slightly jealous that you have 2 brand new seasons to watch and this one. smile

I'm tempted to watch season 4 and 5 again.

jazzcat28 Thu 11-Apr-13 21:02:37

I'm sooooo tempted to order them off Amazon. More Don Draper in my life is never a bad thing. might mean not much luck TTC though

IdaBlankenship Thu 11-Apr-13 21:08:27

Surely Don would get you in the mood wink

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 21:35:50

I agree with Ida. Don would definitely get me in the mood grin

Lighthousekeeping Thu 11-Apr-13 22:07:32

How peed off would you be if you had him in your bed and he didn't give you one on New Year!grin loved it but, it was too long having two together for me.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 22:28:55

I'd be bloody insulted if I didn't get a shag off Don because he seems to shag everyone else!

Who do you think Don should have ended up with? Or do you think he would always be this way? I like him with Rachel. Is that her name?

Lighthousekeeping Thu 11-Apr-13 22:36:23

The Jewish heiress? I did too. I thought he really was into her.

Sounds very unsisterly but, I like him when he is back to his old ways.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 22:41:37

Yes that's her. He would have fucked her up eventually I guess.

I know what you mean about liking him bad. If he was a real person I'd be telling all women to run a mile!

IdaBlankenship Fri 12-Apr-13 07:45:46

He likes independent or intelligent women like, Midge, Rachel, Dr Faye and the hippy teacher for long affairs, I think he likes to be challenged. (although he does seem to shag anything that moves as well).

He's not an indiscriminate shagger as Roger though, remember the twins from the first season - he ended up actually riding one around the office shock

kneedeepindaisies Fri 12-Apr-13 08:07:55

I love Roger more than I love Don. Roger can do no wrong.

Mona looks so much better since they got divorced, I wonder why grin

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 12-Apr-13 09:16:21

Roger reminds me of a horny teenager but with the wit and sharpness that shows his age. I love him too and relish every scene that he's in.

CorrieDale Fri 12-Apr-13 13:09:24

Has series 5 been on Atlantic? I thought that was series 4? I've been hunting on sky go for series 5 but it ends with series 3 then straight into 6. Very very confused.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 12-Apr-13 13:34:53

Is Pete still married?

IdaBlankenship Fri 12-Apr-13 14:13:01

Yes - Pete is still married AFAIK. I don't think Trudie would let him leave her!
Roger definitely gets the best lines, Don isn't the witty type - more strong and silent. I'd rather be trapped in a lift with Roger, Don would probably barely muster up basic conversation (although he would be easier on the eye).
Corrie yes, Season 5 was on Sky Atlantic. Maybe Sky Go is only showing earlier seasons so that the more recent seasons on DVD can still be flogged?

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 12-Apr-13 15:27:38

Corrie after season 5 sky Atlantic went back to the beginning of the show. They got up to the end of season 3 before season 6 started.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 12-Apr-13 15:30:06

I hope Petes wife has left him - although she doesn't seem the type to leave or divorce. She just puts up with a shit for a husband instead.

The scene I think in season 3 when he rapes the next door nanny because he feels she owes him after he replaced a stained dress, just awful.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 12-Apr-13 15:35:41

Isn't he married to Trudy irl?

mixedmamameansbusiness Fri 12-Apr-13 15:43:50

Beyond distraught that I don't have the channel and will have to wait forever for the box set.

kneedeepindaisies Fri 12-Apr-13 15:52:01

Lighthouse I think he is marrying the woman he had an affair with last season in real life. She had electric shock treatment and her husband punched Pete on the train.

CorrieDale Fri 12-Apr-13 16:29:43

Box set it is then ...

IdaBlankenship Fri 12-Apr-13 16:42:07

Alexis Bledel - her off of the Gilmore Girls

Lighthousekeeping Fri 12-Apr-13 17:29:52

Ah, I must be getting mixed up with Roger. I'm sure one of them is married to their wife in real life.

I have mixed feelings about this weeks. Perhaps it was just the length of it.

IdaBlankenship Fri 12-Apr-13 18:05:55

Ugh Accidental I'd mentally blocked out the nanny rape. That's what I love about Mad Men though, in another show Pete would just be an out and out bastard, but the show just keeps giving us enough to stop us hating him outright. He veers between utterly hateful and misunderstood.

Ladytron Fri 12-Apr-13 18:23:39

Lighthouse yes Roger is married to Mona in real life. She used to be married to George Clooney...
I find Betty mumbles a lot and I had to have the volume turned right up. Was the girl with the violin her husband's daughter?

And I never cease to be shocked by Don and his shagging! I was waiting for Megan to ask him where he'd been!

Wish Lane was still in it tho sad

IdaBlankenship Fri 12-Apr-13 18:58:15

Yes - unless he showered when he got back which would have been suspicious he must have smelled of adulterous sex!

Lighthousekeeping Fri 12-Apr-13 21:09:47

Lucky Mona grin

kneedeepindaisies Fri 12-Apr-13 21:21:37

I'm starting to feel a bit jealous of Mona smile

Lighthousekeeping Fri 12-Apr-13 21:30:54

Me too.

I take it Betty has lost her baby weight and that's a fat suit she's wearing?

kneedeepindaisies Fri 12-Apr-13 22:12:54

Yes it's a fat suit. She's lost her real life baby weight.

I'm watching it again with DH. Roger with the psychiatrist is so funny.

IdaBlankenship Fri 12-Apr-13 22:22:01

I assume it was dodgy hair Roseanne-era George, rather than silver fox George though?

Lighthousekeeping Fri 12-Apr-13 23:02:20

Maybe she made him the man he is! Look who's got a real silver fox now envy

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Sat 13-Apr-13 06:09:05

Bloody hell, Mona was married to two gorgeous men? envy
I'll look at her in a new light now!

I wondered about whether January Jones was in a fat suit. They seem to have aged her a great deal. The clothes add to that of course.
I know they have jumped to the late 1960s but how much of a jump is it since season 5?

IdaBlankenship Sat 13-Apr-13 09:05:34

I think its only supposed to be 6 months on?

NoseyParker4aHusband Sat 13-Apr-13 11:53:16

I didn't realise who Mona was played by until it was pointed out here, Lucky Mona grin

I'm just flurking on this thread as don't have sky Atlantic so will have to wait for ever to catch up witht the show.

Lighthousekeeping Sat 13-Apr-13 13:05:06

So, it will end in 1970 then? I would've liked to have seen Sally go to college and turn all feminist still, I think it only has one more season in it after this.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Sat 13-Apr-13 13:20:01

Noooo I want it to go on forever

IdaBlankenship Sat 13-Apr-13 13:22:46

I can't see Don wearing flares

Lighthousekeeping Sat 13-Apr-13 15:16:32

He's worn the same clothes from the first season. I guess that's where the whole things going. Him unwilling to change.

kneedeepindaisies Sat 13-Apr-13 18:09:36

I think I read that the entire series will finish with Don in 2011 so he'll be late
80's/early 90's.

What I found strange watching the other night was that Sally was born in the same year as my mum. I think her mum was as pleasant as Betty hmm

IdaBlankenship Sat 13-Apr-13 18:36:34

Imagine how dysfunctional you would turn out with Betty as a mother (not casting any aspersions at your mum Knee), I would love Sally to run off and join a commune!

kneedeepindaisies Sat 13-Apr-13 19:31:50

Ha Ida! I think my mum's upbringing was definitely dysfunctional.

With parents like Don and Betty, the only way Sally can rebel is by being 'normal'.

LadyMountbatten Sat 13-Apr-13 19:36:16

i SO want betty to be beautiful again

kneedeepindaisies Sat 13-Apr-13 19:46:02

She looked so old at the beginning at the opera with her mother in law. I was shocked.

Lighthousekeeping Sat 13-Apr-13 20:16:20

Don must wonder what happened to her.

mixedmamameansbusiness Sat 13-Apr-13 22:50:02

Don happened didn't he?

IdaBlankenship Sun 14-Apr-13 09:44:43

Remember the ep when they went to Italy, and Betty spoke Italian and looked bloody gorgeous - and now she is all matronly and really doesn't seem happy sad. Henry must be dull as dishwater compared to dashing Don.

kneedeepindaisies Sun 14-Apr-13 10:23:08

But Henry is nice! Compared to Don though he must be so boring.

Betty is only in her mid 30's. Are they saying this is what happens to the housewives of that generation? Joan is older, I think, and she looks fab!

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Sun 14-Apr-13 10:48:44

Oh Betty looked amazing when they were in Rome. The scene where she's sat the cafe and he comes in pretending to not know her <swoon>

IdaBlankenship Sun 14-Apr-13 20:15:06

I know Henry is nice, but I'm not sure Betty wants nice, she was already suffocating in suburbia and now she is bored in a dark and gloomy house instead. She hasn't blossomed in this relationship.
Remember when she waited around her & Don's house when they split up until he returned the key, and it was obvious she wanted him to change his mind about leaving - she would have gone back to him right up until the end if he had asked her. Maybe he'll have an affair with her now she's a brunette?

kneedeepindaisies Sun 14-Apr-13 20:17:57

That would be amazing if they had an affair! I can see Betty having an affair or something like she had with the man at the stables.

I wonder if Don would go there?

IdaBlankenship Sun 14-Apr-13 20:19:36

Don would totally do that - if only to piss Henry off! I hope so - Betty could use some excitement in her life

kneedeepindaisies Sun 14-Apr-13 20:26:47

If it happened, I think I would be more excited than either of them grin

IdaBlankenship Sun 14-Apr-13 20:31:48

grin It'd be like the royal wedding - we could get some bunting!

Lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Apr-13 21:42:32

I can't see it from his side though.

LadyMountbatten Sun 14-Apr-13 21:45:27

how did Don know to shag the other woman - did i miss a look or something?

Lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Apr-13 21:50:53

I got the impression it was already an affair. I guess it was when he said he had to go and buy cigarettes. That was the signal. Shame, as he really seemed to like the doctor.

IdaBlankenship Sun 14-Apr-13 21:54:32

Yes, it was definitely an ongoing thing. Where did Megan think he was? Also I couldn't get all enthusiastic for a shag after a fondue - blech

Lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Apr-13 22:00:08

When he said he didn't want to be there the following year did he mean his whole life or, just the affair?

IdaBlankenship Sun 14-Apr-13 22:06:59

The suicide symbolism around Don has been hanging around since the first season. He does seem to be having a very long existential crisis!
Maybe he thought he would feel different once the secret around his identity was disclosed (Betty, Dr Faye, Pete, Bert and Megan all know he really is Dick) but is now finding he doesn't feel lighter and unburdened? Perhaps his secretive nature and need to control how he is perceived is too highly ingrained (however the mask is slipping a bit - the old Don would never puke in public, in fact I think the only other time he has done that is with Peggy in The Suitcase which was all about revealing of true natures).

Hmm do I now get an invite to Pseuds Corner? grin

Gerrof Mon 15-Apr-13 18:09:30

Thank you from the bottom of my heart to the poster who linked Tom and Lorenzo's blog. I stayed up late last night devouring that.

I am only on series 3 - I started watching it very recently. I thoroughly disliked it at first blush, didn't like anyone in it and thought it was too slow a burn. But then Betty shot her neighbour's pigeons - that was such a wonderful episode I was addicted from then on.

I just need time to watch all these box sets I have bought grin. I like to devour them rather than watch one a week or so so need a free weekend to catch up.

I love it. It is so wonderfully clever, and I like the fact that everyone has facets rather than just being a good person or a bad person.

The acting is brilliant. Especially January Jones.

Such wonderful female peripheral characters as well, Bobbie Barrett, Rachel Menken.

And to my utter shame and disgust I have a massive crush on John Slattery (lucky Talia Balsam grin)

IdaBlankenship Mon 15-Apr-13 18:31:24

That was me Gerrof I hope it makes up for the fact that I inadvertently posted spoilers on your original thread when you first started watching a few weeks back...
Watching them back to back is a joy and I think you discover more from each episode cos everything is fresh in your mind.
Tom and Lorenzo are fab - I especially like their dissection of Joan's moods according to her dresses. They have this theory about her wearing big flower prints when life changes or momentous occasions happen for her.
Season 3? So Lane has arrived has he? He's great - his character really picks up.

Gerrof Mon 15-Apr-13 18:42:19

Yes, don't worry about the spoilers, I went and had a look when I first started watching it and found out everything which was going to happen. Yes re Joan's dresses, bright red roses for when things were going well(ish) in her marriage, wilting roses when it was crap, brown dead roses when she was unhappy. And then a different wardrobe to denote her renaissance.

I do love Jared Harris so was pleased when he was in it. There are some deeply wonderful bits, like when Betty comes down the stairs of the hotel to meet Don, Pete and Trudy do the Charleston, Don making Roger throw up as a revenge. Loads of it.

MrsSlocombesPussy Mon 15-Apr-13 19:00:18

Thought I'd share this recap with you - if Madmen took place entirely on facebook.

http://www.happyplace.com/23042/mad-men-facebook-recap-season6-episode-1

I was amused!

MrsSlocombesPussy Mon 15-Apr-13 19:01:16
IdaBlankenship Mon 15-Apr-13 19:51:20

Oh I like that! They also have Game of Thrones on it too!

kneedeepindaisies Tue 16-Apr-13 13:59:53

Must stop myself reading spoilers for this weeks episode. It's so tempting.

SorrelForbes Tue 16-Apr-13 22:10:13

DH ended up watching the last two episodes of S5 last week (I was desperately trying to catch up before S6 started!) and is now hooked. He decided he wanted to watch S1 episode 1 to see if he'd like to watch it properly and I couldn't help but watch with him.

Crikey, the look has changed rather a lot over 5 series. It really reinforced for me how much time and attention to detail goes into this programme.

IdaBlankenship Tue 16-Apr-13 22:14:38

knee don't do it! You can't unknow it!
Sorrel I agree, the production values are amazing. Does this mean you and DH are settling down with the boxset this week?

SorrelForbes Tue 16-Apr-13 22:16:43

Well, he's away now until Thursday but he's vowed to try and cram in as many eps as possible between then and Sunday! I may waft around this weekend in a little shift dress and boots.

Lurleene Tue 16-Apr-13 23:07:14

Lighthousekeeping - what you say about Don's style never changing made me laugh.

My dad was born in 1928 and lived in America until the 70s. He was a business man, veteran of Korea, and very handsome (if I do say so myself). Right up until he died he always wore a white t-shirt under a white shirt and suit with an overcoat and short slicked back hair. Or for casual he would wear an open shirt / sports jacket combo. It was as if he got stuck in his prime like Don.

It also means that when I look at Don it reminds me too much of my Dad- so I must be one of the few women who don't get excited by him!

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 21:42:20

Why on earth is it on so late?

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 21:56:41

I know! I'm yawning my head off already!

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 21:59:05

It's not as if its got anything in it. Apart from needing to concentrate. I hate watching it after the event!

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:00:59

Hello all! Comfy?

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:07:52

I think Don is losing it for me. I just don't find him sexy anymore and its only 6 minutes in.

It could be the flashbacks smile

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 22:09:31

I'm giving 15 mins so that I can forward the adverts.

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:09:34

Lurleene I have a picture of your dad in my mind - very dashing! What a lovely memory.

Knee - Don is looking less and less together and sexy as time goes by - he is losing his cool for sure

SorrelForbes Wed 17-Apr-13 22:16:41

Knee - Don is looking less and less together and sexy as time goes by - he is losing his cool for sure

I've never found him sexy really. I'm a Roger girl grin

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:21:25

Sorrel sacrilegious!

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 22:24:40

It always makes me laugh when they show couples who have supposedly just had sex with their underwear on.

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:25:35

Joan - smack down!

SorrelForbes Wed 17-Apr-13 22:25:45

IdaBlankenship What can I say? I don't do moody and magnificient. A bit of wit for me, every time grin

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:26:45

Love Joan! She's looking fab!

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:27:39

And that Bob Benson freaks me out.

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:28:43

Sorrel I know Roger would be waaaay more fun on a date, but I'd rather wake up looking at Don!

SorrelForbes Wed 17-Apr-13 22:30:54

IdaBlankenship Well yes, there is that I suppose. Unfortunately, I don't wake up looking like Joan, Betty, Megan, etc! I think Don might make a hasty exit. If I can't have Roger I'll take Ken Pete

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:30:55

Knee He is a smarmy git and he seems to be everywhere, I'm surprised Don hasn't demolished him already

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:32:16

Sorrel ... <looks around furtively> ... I have a bit of a dirty secret pash for Pete

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 22:33:09

Oh, I can't stand Pete.

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:33:32

Ladies! Look at Pete's forehead and warts <vom>

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:34:51

I know its wrong! Help me!

SorrelForbes Wed 17-Apr-13 22:35:52

It's so so wrong. Mind you, he looked much better in the early episodes. It think his hair lets him down now.

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:37:38

I think Pete's in trouble.

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:37:57

Sideburns a shade too long.

SorrelForbes Wed 17-Apr-13 22:44:24

There's just something rather sexy grubby about him blush

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:46:13

Pete is horrible for sure - insecure, arrogant, smarmy and capable of heinous acts but I'd take him over happy-go-lucky Ken. I need therapy.

BTW that was Don back to his sexy self right there - I take it all back!

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:46:30

I think Don's heading the way of grubby this week.

And Where Is Roger????

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:49:18

At the psychiatrists?

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:51:26

I bloody love Trudie

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:51:54

Oooh I didn't know Trudie had it in her.

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:52:47

Roger!!!

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 22:53:19

Yay!

kneedeepindaisies Wed 17-Apr-13 22:58:07

I'd rather shag Pete than Bob Benson. Gross.

IdaBlankenship Wed 17-Apr-13 23:00:13

Don's poor mum sad

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 23:06:20

I really enjoyed that one more much than last weeks double bill.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 18-Apr-13 19:06:21

Me too Lighthouse.

Is that Don's mum or step mum?

Also is it not just a bit "Don had to live in a brothel and saw his mum have to do horrible things and that's why he treats women like shit?"

You'd think it would be the other way round. Although I'm sure it's all a bit deeper than that really smile

TickledYonion Thu 18-Apr-13 20:52:27

Was it just me that got turned on by Don talking about ripping Sylvia's dress off in the restaurant?

kneedeepindaisies Thu 18-Apr-13 21:14:57

I feel bad about being horrible about Pete's hairline hmm

I've just read in an article that he had to shave his hair to get the receding look to age his character.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 18-Apr-13 21:16:04

Tickled normally I would have been thinking Phwoaarr but I'm finding Don a bit grubby and creepy so far this season.

TickledYonion Thu 18-Apr-13 21:21:26

I know kneedeep, but I just can't help it. blush

kneedeepindaisies Thu 18-Apr-13 21:29:44

I don't know if its him Tickled or if my tastes have changed between Season 5 and 6!

I would have liked Roger to talk about ripping someone's dress off but I think that's quite unlikely grin

IdaBlankenship Thu 18-Apr-13 22:01:15

I think Vincent Kartheizer is great in this show. I love how Pete keeps trying to emulate Don but fails on every level - of course his affair would be instantly discovered whilst Don can apparently shag his entire apartment block with no-one being any the wiser.
Tickled his masterful tone and steely eye contact sure was sexy in that scene

SorrelForbes Thu 18-Apr-13 22:46:40

Just been watching some of season one with DH.

Pete was definitely hotter then but much more insecure. Still grubby though wink

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 19-Apr-13 08:44:42

I was a little hot under the collar when Don was in the restaurant too. I still fancy the arse off of him.
I love the way they pull him in different directions, with his internal dialogue leaking out. I think he really wants his marriage to Megan to work. He wants to see her happy. He's saying the right things but not feeling them. The end scene when he couldn't face going into his apartment..spoke volumes about how he really feels about their marriage, while she is blissfully ignorant.

IdaBlankenship Fri 19-Apr-13 09:07:37

Don just has a massive self-destructive streak. The only person he could truly be himself with was Anna and now she is gone too.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 19-Apr-13 10:56:23

That was a wonderful relationship. Perhaps it was so powerful because she knew the truth about him. Maybe he can only be happy if he tells everyone the truth. Would it give him some peace? Perhaps that will be how the show will end.

IdaBlankenship Fri 19-Apr-13 11:46:30

I think thats how he thought he would feel - but Megan knows the truth but he still can't be himself with her. I don't think Megan wants to see any weakness in Don

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Mon 22-Apr-13 22:44:14

As soon as I saw Sam Taggart from ER in the background when someone was having a heard attack I said she must be who he has an affair with this season. I am soooo clever.

Thanks for the congratulations on page one Ida! Ok, off to read rest of thread now...

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Mon 22-Apr-13 23:07:27

Oh I forgot, I can't read the rest of the thread because I've only seen the first episode!
Ok, episode one - Don was losing it... Drunk at the funeral. Oh dear.

Betty looks so different with black hair!

Loving Peggy still being late-night-at-work friends with whatshisname.

Bit cheesy Roger crying at the shoeshine guy instead of his mum but I did like his daughter leaving the water behind from the River Jordan.

kneedeepindaisies Wed 24-Apr-13 19:55:16

I saw Jon Hamm in an episode of Charmed today.

He is sexier as Don.

Looking forward to tonight.

IdaBlankenship Wed 24-Apr-13 21:45:50

Yes, I totally didn't fancy him in Bridesmaids either

MarshaBrady Wed 24-Apr-13 21:46:21

I just started this. And have to read the thread. But found the first double episode really bad!

Lighthousekeeping Thu 25-Apr-13 00:12:54

He has been stereotyped I fear.

IdaBlankenship Thu 25-Apr-13 07:58:49

Back off Harry - do not besmirch the lovely Joan. How humiliated must she have felt in that meeting? sad

SorrelForbes Thu 25-Apr-13 09:00:20

Harry is a dick.

IdaBlankenship Thu 25-Apr-13 09:29:34

Succinct yet accurate Sorrel wink

Lighthousekeeping Thu 25-Apr-13 09:49:01

I enjoyed last nights. Is beardy man Joan's partner and, don't the others know?

Is Don hitting the destruct button on his marriage by turning up at Megan's filming? He was such a pig to her. love him

IdaBlankenship Thu 25-Apr-13 10:57:00

Which beardy man Lighthouse?

SorrelForbes Thu 25-Apr-13 10:57:37

Harry gives me the rage with his stupid floppy hair and his TV stuff and, and, and ...

IdaBlankenship Thu 25-Apr-13 12:58:48

I rather liked his office though - the antithesis of modern 60's design

SorrelForbes Thu 25-Apr-13 15:34:30

A lot of the characters seems to have changed their hair style, dress style quite drastically from the last series.

Gerrof Thu 25-Apr-13 15:39:38

I don't know why I am on this thread as I am only in series 3 (it doesn't matter about spoilers though as I have read the entirety of Tom and Lorenzo) but I am so keen to catch up and watch this new series.

I really like how from disliking all of the characters when I first watched it I have grown to really like a couple (Betty and Joan especially) and understand the rest (really started to like Pete when he did the Charleston) but one character I have thorough loathed throughout is Don.

I just wish that I hadn't read everything about the series and know what's coming up, I need to catch up quickly.

I am fascinated to see how the thing will end - and how everyone will be at the denouement,

It is the best thing I have seen on telly for years.

SorrelForbes Thu 25-Apr-13 16:49:23

It is most definitely the best thing I've seen on TV for a long time.

I'm not a Don fan at all. He's too deep and angst ridden for me. Pete and Peggy are the most interesting characters by far.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 25-Apr-13 19:41:00

I love it but, not as much as I did in the beginning. I don't know what's changed for me.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 25-Apr-13 20:20:15

I know what you mean Lighthouse.

I think in the first few seasons I really enjoyed watching Betty and Don's relationship.
Also, it seemed like it was set so long ago that is was real history like Kennedy's assination, etc. Whereas now I'm seeing styles in the clothes and furniture that I remember from my 80's childhood grin

MarshaBrady Thu 25-Apr-13 20:23:06

Pete is getting more interesting. Not keen on Peggy.

The hair dos are hilarious. All those side burns added on in Season 6.

We watched another last night, no. 2. It was a bit better.

Lurleene Thu 25-Apr-13 22:35:32

I think I am not enjoying Mad Men as much as I was because you do not see the characters you are used to seeing together interact so much with each other any more. I know that it is unrealistic to expect nothing to change over time though! Peggy is off elsewhere and she was tied in so tightly with Don, Joan, Pete and so many of the others at SCDP. We are also not seeing Don with his children lately, which always showed him in a different light. Betty is just a bit part now which is a huge shame, I found her much more interesting than Megan.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 25-Apr-13 22:55:13

Me too. Betty was fantastic. I want to see her one don at east doña scene together. There were none last season either.

Gerrof Thu 25-Apr-13 22:57:00

Lol at east doña

Is that a typo or a crucial scene from an episode I haven't watched yet?

Gerrof Thu 25-Apr-13 22:58:16

Betty is great. I have just watched the one where they go to Rome , the difference in her behaviour from Rome and when she got home was so marked, but so subtley done as well.

IdaBlankenship Fri 26-Apr-13 08:11:14

I hope Don poaches Peggy back from the rival ad agency - when he overheard her pitch this week, he knew her pitch was miles better. I miss their interaction in their office.
I did lol at Rizzo giving her the middle finger when he left - I hope that it doesn't spell the end for their friendship. Remember when she got naked with him to put him in his place? Also I'm liking his new stoner beard

MarshaBrady Fri 26-Apr-13 10:50:54

Peggy's pitch was good, but she stole Don's line.

MarshaBrady Fri 26-Apr-13 10:51:16

Used it I mean. The if you don't like the conversation one.

kneedeepindaisies Fri 26-Apr-13 16:10:22

I finally watched all of this week's episode.

I really hope someone takes Harry down a peg or two. I can't believe they treat him better then Joan hmm

IdaBlankenship Wed 01-May-13 22:16:12

Heloooooo! <echo> Anyone there!

So did that mean something more when Ted sat in Abe's seat? Do you reckon Ted likes Peggy?

Martin Luther King sad

SorrelForbes Wed 01-May-13 23:39:09

I haven't watched Ep 5 yet. Sounds good!

IdaBlankenship Thu 02-May-13 07:11:09

It was a good one Sorrel. Don opened up more to Megan than we have ever seen him do - it made me have a little more hope for their relationship... oh and Pete shouted at Harry, so Kneedeep got her wish!

kneedeepindaisies Thu 02-May-13 17:24:45

I'm watching now. I should probably have watched before I read the updates on here , but I can't wait for Harry to get an earful smile

kneedeepindaisies Thu 02-May-13 17:30:19

Martin Luther King hmm

I can't imagine what it must have been like to have had those assinations in such a short period of time. It must have seemed like the world was going mad.

IdaBlankenship Thu 02-May-13 19:50:54

What did you think of the last couple of scenes Kneedeep? It's rare to see Don so emotionally honest. He looked pretty broken.
I was surprised that Pete was so upset by the assassination - I don't know if he was genuinely upset by that or by the fact that Trudie didn't ask him to come back & protect them. Either was it was nice to see Harry being bawled out!

kneedeepindaisies Thu 02-May-13 21:19:11

I thought they were really good scenes although I wasn't surprised by what he was saying, I was surprised that he actually said it!

Do you think Megan realised she is in the category of people he pretends to love?

I've just realised we haven't had the Bobby Kennedy assination yet. hmm

kneedeepindaisies Thu 02-May-13 21:20:01

Forgot to say, what did you think of Joan hugging Dawn and the "we're sorry for your loss"? Awkward!

IdaBlankenship Thu 02-May-13 21:34:08

Joan really isn't warm towards other women, remember how long it took her & Peggy to reach a tentative friendship. That hug with Dawn was the worst though - she really held her at arms length.

Abe & Peggy - really nice to see them happy, I loved how he matter-of-factly just mentioned them having kids together.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 02-May-13 21:36:21

I think Abe and Peggy are going to break up soon. Her boss fancies her and I thought Peggy looked nervous when he mentioned kids. Unless I misread her facial expression smile

IdaBlankenship Thu 02-May-13 22:04:57

I thought she was taken aback by the comment but her face softened a bit I thought, as though she would consider it... hmmmm..
Ted fancies her for sure!

SorrelForbes Fri 03-May-13 17:16:40

Just watched Ep 5. What on earth was that outfit that Joan was wearing the morning after the shooting? <shallow>

SorrelForbes Fri 03-May-13 17:39:05

Good episode though. Poor Pete (I know, I know...)

IdaBlankenship Fri 03-May-13 18:40:49

I think Joan's outfit could be classed as air hostess chic!

SorrelForbes Fri 03-May-13 18:57:41

The collar seemed separate from the top? Very odd. She's still my No1 girl crush though.

kneedeepindaisies Fri 03-May-13 19:50:27

I love Joan. Her outfit was interesting grin

I am really liking Betty again bar the random rape comment. When she was holding the dress up in front of the mirror I actually felt for her.

IdaBlankenship Fri 03-May-13 20:10:08

Tom and lorenzo were keen on Joan's outfit and had an interesting take on that scene: www.tomandlorenzo.com/2013/05/mad-style-the-flood.html

SorrelForbes Fri 03-May-13 20:14:31

I love those articles. They notice so much!

kneedeepindaisies Fri 03-May-13 21:28:28

I'm loving Tom and Lorenzo! This week's review where it said "Trudy Vogel Campbell don't front, bitches" made me laugh out loud.

Euphemia Fri 03-May-13 21:34:06

Tom and Lorenzo rock. Their whole analysis of characters' clothes is FANTASTIC! So clever and insightful.

kneedeepindaisies Fri 03-May-13 22:26:08

I agree Euphemia. When I read their clothes analysis, it all seems to make sense smile

Euphemia Fri 03-May-13 22:31:05

I was pleased I'd spotted Dawn was wearing "power yellow" like Peggy used to. smile

IdaBlankenship Sat 04-May-13 09:38:28

I know, I always get chuffed when I spot something and then T&L comment on it also.

Lighthousekeeping Sat 04-May-13 23:50:47

Peggy looked chuffed at the mention of children I thought. Loved the green dress.

IdaBlankenship Wed 08-May-13 22:09:40

OMG too much fabulousness before the first ad break! Joanie's hair looked great down. Trudie's night gown & robe is a thing of absolute wonder.

IdaBlankenship Wed 08-May-13 22:59:45

Great episode, best of the season so far.

SorrelForbes Wed 08-May-13 23:01:10

Ooh, will watch tomorrow!

Lighthousekeeping Wed 08-May-13 23:02:38

Oh I'm going to have to stay up extra late to watch it now. Can't way!

Lighthousekeeping Thu 09-May-13 10:01:20

Do we think the outfits are more interesting than the actual show? I must admit, I'm not do fired up about this season.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 09-May-13 10:01:35

So

kneedeepindaisies Thu 09-May-13 11:44:37

Just catching up on last night's episode. Were Pete and Joan flirting ? shock

IdaBlankenship Thu 09-May-13 11:46:58

I think Pete was trying - he definitely was thinking impure thoughts, but Joan was just being her usual charming self!

kneedeepindaisies Thu 09-May-13 12:38:34

Great episode. Although I was thrilled when it finished because then I could read Tom and Lorenzogrin

IdaBlankenship Thu 09-May-13 13:18:11

Lighthouse - The pace has been flagging a bit this season so far until last nights episode, which had great energy. I'm enjoying it though, also great to see Megan's mum back, she is always great value entertainment.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 09-May-13 15:01:13

I'm enjoying it but it losses a little she Betty was given a smaller role. I loved seeing Roger getting some very young action again. How does he do it? grin it's just sometimes I really have to psyche myself up. I could never do the boxed set.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 09-May-13 15:02:35

Bloody iPhone. Lost abit with me since Betty became a more minor character.

kneedeepindaisies Thu 09-May-13 15:23:35

I'm just glad there was no Harry.

Pete falling down the stairs was brilliant.

Joan and Roger were fab as always.

IdaBlankenship Thu 09-May-13 17:19:20

What do we reckon - Abe or Ted?

kneedeepindaisies Thu 09-May-13 18:55:57

Ted!

Euphemia Thu 09-May-13 19:00:11

Peter tries so hard to be Don, but he never manages to carry it off!

Is the apartment Peggy and Frank Zappa are doing up the one she bought?

kneedeepindaisies Thu 09-May-13 19:18:01

Don would never fall down the stairs in a strop grin

I think it's the same apartment but she's regretting it .

IdaBlankenship Thu 09-May-13 19:47:33

grin at Frank Zappa. Its a new apartment in the neighbourhood that Abe wanted. I guess the 60's equivalent of Hackney a few years back when the arty types started moving in

Machli Fri 10-May-13 11:47:47

I loved the way the creative team all ran off when Don et al came piling back out of the office grin.

Peggy back with Don!

kneedeepindaisies Fri 10-May-13 12:51:50

That made me laugh too grin

Peggy and Stan as well.

I think Peggy will give Harry Crane a mouthful if required.

Unless the new agency has a TV person then Harry can disappear to L.A with his annoying secretary.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 10-May-13 21:52:07

I'm not reading this, I'm not reading this, la la la <puts fingers in ears and closes eyes>
Just got back from a three week holiday so I have three episodes to catch up on. Ahhh, can't wait. I'll go back and reread everything after I've seen them.

IdaBlankenship Fri 10-May-13 21:57:12

envy at three weeks holiday.

kneedeepindaisies Fri 10-May-13 22:04:00

Watch the episodes, read this thread, then go and read Tom and Lorenzo smile

Euphemia Fri 10-May-13 22:52:21

Watch the episodes, read this thread, then go and read Tom and Lorenzo

That'll take another three weeks! grin

IdaBlankenship Sat 11-May-13 16:57:34

Ah but three weeks well spent wink

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Mon 13-May-13 16:44:00

Ahh, all watched.
I agreed with T & L comments about Mad Men doing better when it's not centred around an historical event. I felt the episode when MLK died was a little wooden and uncomfortable.
I really loved the merging of the two companies though and the thought of bringing Peggy back into more scenes with Don thrills me. They have such interesting chemistry.
They are still setting up lots of interesting things for the future, I think this series is starting to bed down now and get more interesting. I'm excited about next weeks episode not just because of the actors, the acting and the sheer quality of it but because I want to see what happens next. That's the first time I've felt like that this series - Bravo Mad Men (can you tell I've been to Italy?!).

IdaBlankenship Mon 13-May-13 20:24:21

Did you do a Betty in Italy Accidental? Wear your hair in a fabulous beehive, smoke sexily and flirt with Italians?

SorrelForbes Mon 13-May-13 20:52:31

I've just watched episodes 6 & 7. Well, lots going on at SCDP then! Don's behaviour is making me very uncomfortable at the moment. I'm liking Ted a lot (but not as much as Roger).

I want that red dress <deluded as much too busty>

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 11:06:31

You have GOT to read Tom and Lorenzo. That site is my new addiction.

I am only on series 4 of Mad Men but have read the whole of TL episode synopsis and style analysis. And read most of the rest of the site as well. They make me genuinely laugh out loud with what they say (especvially about Johnny Depp and Jennifer Aniston yesterday).

I am so obsessed with Mad Men. I pretty much boo hiss whenever Don Draper comes on the screen, I loathe him so much.

SorrelForbes Tue 14-May-13 11:52:23

Yep, the Don loathe quotient is definitely on the up in season 6 too.

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 12:08:45

I know, Tom and Lorenzo said grin

I think he is ghastly from the start. Bloody disliked him when he went on the piss when it was one of his children's birthday party.

Never enjoyed a TV show so much (and that is from a start of loathing everybody in it). I never thought for instance that I would actually end up liking Joan, Roger and Trudy. grin

SorrelForbes Tue 14-May-13 16:42:16

I'm going to a ball in July and am thinking of doing my hair like Joan's in Series 1 , Ep 3. Scroll down to see the pics. She's wearing a pink dress.

SgtTJCalhoun Tue 14-May-13 16:59:18

I don't dislike Don. Or Pete.

I find them uncomfortably true to life as characters, but there is nothing about them that surprises me. I think they are totally warts and all characters, a million shades of grey. That's the beauty of Mad Men. It's the only programme I have ever seen where the characters are as flawed and as complicated as REAL people. You only don't hate the REAL people you know because you don't know everything about them. Most people aren't good or bad like they usually are in fiction. They DO good or bad THINGS.

Another thing, why do people hate Don but not Roger? He's as much as a womaniser as Don, he left his wife and daughter of all those years, he tries it on with his friends wife, he used Joan.

I think Pete is my favourite character though, such an unapologetic pig of a man but the nuances to his character, to me make him fundamentally likeable, not because he's nice because he isn't, there's so much going on with him.

IdaBlankenship Tue 14-May-13 17:09:03

I could never hate Don, he is such an interesting and charismatic character. As I have mentioned earlier, I also love Pete, especially as a viewer you will him to do the right thing but he invariably does a shitty thing instead - but he does have flashes of decentness and humility which make it impossible to wholly dislike the character.

IdaBlankenship Tue 14-May-13 17:10:28

Oh and of course on a purely superficial, shallow level - Don is totally gorgeous and would have charmed me out of my pants in the time it took him to light a cigarette.

SorrelForbes Tue 14-May-13 17:18:15

Oh I agree, Don and Pete are fantastic characters, probably the most interesting in the show. I just fancy Roger blush

SorrelForbes Tue 14-May-13 17:18:34

and maybe Pete a little too

kneedeepindaisies Tue 14-May-13 17:23:01

In this series Don is making me uncomfortable. I don't know why considering his behaviour has always been awful grin

Pete makes me cringe. Which I would imagine is the point. When he fell the stairs I laughed so much.

Roger is great. He has such great lines and I don't seem to mind that he shags around.

What I love most about Mad Men is the strong female characters, even Betty!

kneedeepindaisies Tue 14-May-13 17:23:34

Fell down the stairs.

I'm laughing thinking about it.

Euphemia Tue 14-May-13 17:36:18

Her hair was lovely like that Sorrel.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 14-May-13 17:38:14

I've watched Pete falling down the stairs repeatedly. I don't think I'll ever tire of it, he's such a pompous ass.
I'd like to see the episode where he gets punched again too grin

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 17:39:44

I love Pete. What a wonderful character he is. He is so uncomfortable to watch.

I am also really Impressed with Peggy at the start of series 4.

I think I like Roger and dislike Don because Roger is amusing (he does get the best lines) and Don hasn't got an amusing bone in him. Ad although Roger was a complete prick it is from stupidity and selfishness, and I think Don is nasty and cruel.

I miss Mona. I love the episodes with her and Roger.

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 17:40:20

That was a brilliant, brilliant fall. God I laughed when I saw it.

SgtTJCalhoun Tue 14-May-13 17:57:25

I don't think Don is able to help being like that though. I don't think he does it on purpose. He just IS. It's easy for Roger to be funny and laid back. He's got that shine of wealth and private education. Don has come from less than nothing, from a background of total immorality and dog eat dog. He's always had to survive and done whatever it took to do that. He can't be any other way but he's intelligent enough to see himself but not able to stop. That line where he says "I don't want to be doing this next year" or something like that, he seemed so hopeless to me when he said that. He marries these amazing girls and has these amazing opportunities to remake himself over and over but he can't do it. Dick Whitman always wins over Don Draper.

kneedeepindaisies Tue 14-May-13 18:04:45

Love the episode where Pete gets punched grin

I've got a wedding coming up. Maybe I should try the Betty in Italy look. Even though I'm more a Joan smile

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 18:06:25

No you are probably right sgt. I do sniff a bit at the whole Don's terrible childhood theme. Poverty, violence and illegitimacy were not unusual for a child born in he 20s. I can't see any redeeming features in him.

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 18:07:42

I would like to look like Betty in Italy. Fat chance!

I also haven't seen any episodes with Megan Draper in yet (god I am so behind) but time she looks amazing in the stills. Is she a hateful character though, she seems rather disliked.

SgtTJCalhoun Tue 14-May-13 18:12:12

I don't like Megan. It really annoyed me when Don married her, but I suspect that's what the writers wanted.

kneedeepindaisies Tue 14-May-13 18:15:57

I don't like her. There's no particular reason. She's just a bit blah.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 14-May-13 18:30:27

Megan isn't hateful, she's naive, in the extreme. Her defining moment was the zooby bisous song she sang for Don. I could feel myself dying inside with shame - just watching her made me cringe.
I wish I had looked like Betty in Italy. Instead I was slightly sweaty in an old festival t-shirt. Real life eh?

SgtTJCalhoun Tue 14-May-13 18:42:12

She's just wet isn't she? She doesn't seem to have any definition. I mean Betty is a woman of few words but you completely know what's going on with her. Megan just drips around everywhere with the odd spark of rebellion that quickly fizzles out.

kneedeepindaisies Tue 14-May-13 19:14:16

Hi Accidental <waves>

Read anything interesting lately wink

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 19:32:50

I love Betty. Well not love, obviously, but her character is great. I think her acting is marvellous, that it where she had the fag hanging out of her mouth shooting those pigeons.

IdaBlankenship Tue 14-May-13 19:43:51

Poor Megan, a bit unfairly maligned - she definitely gave those poor kids more maternal warmth in a weekend than Betty gave them over the past few years.
I don't think she is naive though - that scene when she did angry cleaning in her underwear to provoke Don showed she knows exactly what she is doing. However I don't think she realises quite how damaged Don is, and that she can never do enough to make him happy. She is getting increasingly insecure as this season goes on.

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 19:45:09

She is beautiful looking in the photographs, suits the sixties clothes her character wears.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 14-May-13 20:24:17

Oh <ahem> hello kneedeep fancy seeing you here <blushes furiously> grin

Lighthousekeeping Tue 14-May-13 20:50:21

I want to see more of Betty. I miss her.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 14-May-13 20:57:46

Me too, I want to see her back looking glamorous again. She was a visual feast. Is that shallow?!

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Tue 14-May-13 20:59:10

Getorf that image of Betty is with the fag and the gun is my very favourite!

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 14-May-13 21:49:18

It's my favourite scene as well. It is so marvellous.

I agree she is a visual feast, I don't think it is shallow. She is mesmerising to watch. That bit in series 2 where she meets Don in a bar (in the Plaza?) and she sweeps down a grand staircase in slow motion. <sigh>

I am not looking forward to seeing her get fat and frumpy.

IdaBlankenship Wed 15-May-13 09:15:00

She's not just frumpy , she also seems defeated sad. She's lost that spark from the first couple of seasons.

Euphemia Wed 15-May-13 19:50:23

The thing on T&L about Betty morphing into her MIL was like shock

They're so right - I thought Bets was just losing her mind!

I wish I could take off a fat suit and crap hair and look like January Jones underneath, though smile

Lighthousekeeping Wed 15-May-13 22:34:21

Has she been in any scenes with him this season?

IdaBlankenship Wed 15-May-13 22:48:49

No - she has spoken to him on the phone only.

Don is being waaay creepy this ep.

kneedeepindaisies Wed 15-May-13 23:00:25

He is being really odd. Lots of red flags as they say in Relationships.

I'm off to read Tom and Lorenzo smile

Euphemia Wed 15-May-13 23:13:44

Don totally creeped me out this episode - setting Sylvia up like his own personal whore like that. Well done to her for telling him to shove off - it's not often Big Dick gets dumped!

The scene with Peter coming late to the meeting and not having a chair was glorious! Ted Choaueuoouaugh made him look like a total klutz. I also loved that Ted nicked Pete's chair the instant he left, knowing that if Peter came back he would make an even bigger ass of himself by his reaction! I was a little disappointed that he didn't come back!

IdaBlankenship Thu 16-May-13 08:24:56

I was shouting at the screen at Sylvia to tell him to f*ck off!

Some great moments this ep: Roger firing Bert Petersen was fantastic, Ted in the boardroom (I'm loving Ted this season), Peggy giving Don a dressing down.

By the way - what's the feelings about Bob Benson - good motives or just trying to brownnose his way to power?

kneedeepindaisies Thu 16-May-13 11:38:30

The scene with Roger firing Bert encompasses every little thing I love about Roger.

I'm so glad Sylvia had the guts to stand up to Don.

I actually felt sorry for Pete. It must be you lot rubbing off on me wink I still don't fancy him though.

I think Bob Benson is smart. Bert had given him the heads up on the stairs of the way it was going. He must have known last in is usually first out.

Saying that I'm sure his motives aren't that easy to figure out. This is Mad Men.

Unless he's Don's illegitimate son....

Euphemia Thu 16-May-13 20:41:54

So who got whose office? At first I thought Ted got Don's, but then I saw Roger's "dots" picture on the wall. Confused!

Lighthousekeeping Sun 19-May-13 19:02:33

Just watched it. For me, it was the best one this Season. How loathsome was Don? At first I was jealous of Sylvia but I was creeped out by the end of it and I'm so peased she dumped him. He didn't look that hot this week. I thought he looked bloated. Like his tie was strangling him.

MarshaBrady Sun 19-May-13 19:04:12

Don D annoyed me in the episode where he dumped, who was it, Jaguar. Selfish and annoying.

And agree that he was loathsome with the hotel thing.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Mon 20-May-13 08:35:53

He was trying to have some control in his life. While everything at work was changing and there was the possibility of Sylvia moving he was looking to control something. He didn't quite pull it off though did he? Sylvia was the wrong woman the try it on, she put up with it for a while but you could tell it made her feel dirty and ashamed. It also gave her time to think abut the relationship and subsequently end it.

Umm Bob Benson, we'll see more of him. He's like a young Don but without the cynicism and stubbornness.

I LOVED Peggy giving Don a bollocking, she's the only one who could do it and he'd listen. Go Peggy! I've got a bit of a soft spot for Ted, I hope his relationship with Peggy does develop.

IdaBlankenship Wed 22-May-13 22:00:47

I'm veering towards being Team Ted after the last couple of eps. Not sure if I can watch it tonight.. too tired.

Lighthousekeeping Wed 22-May-13 22:14:22

I'll watch it tomorrow it's so late

KneeDeepInDaisies Wed 22-May-13 23:40:59

I'm watching now. It's odd.

Euphemia Thu 23-May-13 07:23:14

Weirdest episode ever! Most of the cast smacked out of their heads on drugs; Betty's lost weight and gone blonde again; what effect did the drugs have on Roger with his heart condition?; where was Joan?

It was hard to follow the sequence of events - can't wait to see what Tom & Lorenzo made of it all.

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 08:40:45

I liked the episode for first time this season. Very bizarre. Tap dancing part was surreal but good.

KneeDeepInDaisies Thu 23-May-13 08:59:23

The tap dancing was bizarre but reminded me a bit of when Pete and Trudie did the Charleston.

I'm wondering if it's all real or Don's imagination.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 23-May-13 10:06:05

I'm in the process of watching it now. I saw a review of this and it described it as the worst episode ever.

Euphemia Thu 23-May-13 13:14:32

I wondered if it was all Don's hallucinations as well.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 23-May-13 13:23:41

I switched it off. It was too far up its own arse. No doubt The Guardian. Loved it.

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 13:26:50

I've found Season 6 pretty crap so far, so all a bad bunch really.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 23-May-13 13:28:51

It's ready to end isn't it? I thought it since last season it's just not as good. It's hard work watching it just for the odd bit if brilliance.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 23-May-13 13:29:01

Of brilliance

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 13:32:19

I know. I'll watch them all, but even Don has gone down hill. I don't believe it as much, they've gone a bit hammy.

Plus his bloat doesn't help. He was very nice in the one before.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 23-May-13 13:54:13

I noticed last week how bloated they were making him. I hope he's not going to have heart attack.

Clayhead Thu 23-May-13 13:59:51

I love Mad Men but I didn't like this episode at all.

I have realised that I find the Pete character really interesting and Don just gets on my nerves now, is that how I'm supposed to feel this series?!

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 23-May-13 14:17:03

I can't help but feel that everything is done on purpose on Mad Men.

I hated the whole drug scenes with Don being right up his own arse (and I'm a big fan of his), he's lost his way. I think that's what they are trying to show.
I did look carefully at his grundies when he bent over for his shot, just in case I could see the famous Hamm package grin

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 14:22:26

Ha! The hamwodge.

His firing clients at drop of a hat irritates. I like Ted, Pete and Kevin oh tall one what's his name, blank.

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 14:24:39

Peggy and Don are just not doing it for me, none of the creatives are. I used to like the clever one, but he's not in it as much.

IdaBlankenship Thu 23-May-13 20:12:35

Whaaaaaaat was that? I'm all confused. Although a couple of moments did make me laugh out loud - Ken's epic tap dancing and Don's running around the office and then casually strolling in the door.
I could have done without the flashbacks - I think we've seen enough of the best little whorehouse of Don's inner turmoil now.
Oh, and I thought Don was going to keel over with a heart attack on the stairs when he was looking at Ted's secretary... do you reckon his hard living is going to bite him on the ass soon?

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:15:40

I watched the tap dancing on YouTube and roared.

What do I know, I am still on series 4. But I love Megan. Probably because she is so beautiful <shallow>

I cried when Peggy congratulated Pete on Trudie's pregnancy,

Sorry for being dull and taking about an episode 2 series behind all you lot but I don't know anyone in RL to obsess over this with.

I watched an episode with dd tonight and she SWOONED over Don Draper and I looked at her in horror. Bloody hell!

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 23-May-13 20:16:38

I think Tom and Lorenzo are just as confused as us.

I've deleted it but I think I need to watch it again.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:16:43

I used to think Peggy was tiresome and now I love her.

IdaBlankenship Thu 23-May-13 20:17:44

GetOrf - that's my favourite moment (I'm sure I've mentioned it earlier on this thread) - when Pete and Peggy catch eyes as she is leaving the office and all the men are congratulating him. They share such a warm, intimate and sad look. It made me cry first time I saw it blush

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:18:39

Tom and Lorenzo's latest posts are. Bit confused. It's all 'yeah we said a load of stuff about blue and green but actually it might not mean anything but on the other hand it might and they are just messing with us'

I am afraid TLo have affected my life. I nearly wrote 'bitches' on a work email today. grin

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:19:31

Yes, that is exactly the bit I cried at, when she is getting in the lift with her Scooby Doo friends. It was such a poignant moment.

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 20:20:58

Megan is fabulous when she first appears. She's not even in it that much.

Betty was the best one, now a two bit part.

I'm tempted to start from the beginning (again) to see Don looking good again.

And Pete without the odd hair. Roger and the other partner haven't changed much.

IdaBlankenship Thu 23-May-13 20:25:02

I wish we saw more of the more minor characters. I'm loving Stan this season, and also Ginsberg. There needs to be more Joan and Pete as well. I miss Sal - can't they bring him back?

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:26:05

She just looks so striking, Megan.

But Betty is stunning. Think it's a but strange that some people have said that she is a poor actress, I think she acts brittle and childish utterly brilliantly.

I have done a complete turnaround from my original dislike of the programme and everyone in it, am very thankful that I persevered, it is so subtle. It makes other programmes look so overblown in comparison I think. Like (from the top of my head) I watched The Fall the other night. You could just predict the plot, it was like drama by numbers.

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 20:26:43

Ah yes that's his name, Ginsberg. He was brilliant in last series, the competition with Don. The horrible thing Don did when he left the creative stuff in the taxi on purpose.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 23-May-13 20:27:05

I used to dislike Peggy but now I really like her.

I hate to say it but I'm starting to like Pete too. I know he's a bit of a nob but he does stand up for what's right. I can't remember the examples though.

I'm also loving the comments on Tom and Lorenzo. I spend almost as much time on there as I do on here. grin

MarshaBrady Thu 23-May-13 20:27:32

I think Betty is brilliant too. Very restrained.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 23-May-13 20:28:10

Yes love Betty. When did she lose weight and go blonde though?

IdaBlankenship Thu 23-May-13 20:29:25

Tom and Lorenzo are a time vacuum - I go on there and experience loss of hours to rival Don's this week.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:31:21

I would like to join in the TLo chats. But I am afraid that I would get the forum equivalent of a curled lip and tumbleweed (as I felt when I first joined mumsnet actually) grin

I am gla that I am not the only one to have found Peggy annoying, she was so obviously the 'good girl' that you are supposed to root for. She is so much more relaxed and funny in series 4 than she has been before I think. She is another great actress, really holds her own in a quietly strong way against the more showy female roles.

I like Pete despite myself. He seems to have some strange moral code. He gave the fat loe with glasses a filthy look when he made some anti Semitic comment earlier.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:32:22

Fat bloke that is supposed to say.

IdaBlankenship Thu 23-May-13 20:37:31

Pete has always reacted when others have been racist. He has many faults but that isn't one of them - all the more surprising then, when he announced to Trudie the other week about her father being with a "large negress prostitute" - it was odd that he brought race into it.

Euphemia Thu 23-May-13 20:41:23

I'm not sure what else we're supposed to learn from Don's grim past, either. I'm bored with that already.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 23-May-13 20:41:56

Maybe he bought race into it to make it more shocking? Obviously finding your father in law in a brothel isn't shocking enough grin

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 23-May-13 20:43:44

I know his past is grim, but it is not that grim. Not enough to excuse his heinous behaviour anyway, he chooses to act like that.

I never forgave him for buggering off at the birthday party when he was supposed to pick the cake up. No wonder Betty spends most of the time in a fury.

Hark at me sounding like some old dear on a bus talking about someone in the soaps like they are real.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 23-May-13 20:45:22

Based on this week's episode, Don is looking for the prostitute in every woman he is with. However he sees the prostitute more as a mother figure so he essentially wants a mother figure and is always disappointed when they don't act as such.

Tom and Lorenzo would ban me for that analysis hmm

IdaBlankenship Thu 23-May-13 20:50:03

Poor Megan doesn't stand a chance of a happy marriage. Hopefully her career will go stratospheric and she can bugger off to the South of France or something. She would look good on the Riviera.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 23-May-13 20:51:34

Maybe something to do with the play that was mentioned?

Euphemia Thu 23-May-13 21:56:23

I bet she's got a part in Hair. Don will kill her with his very hands for going nuddy on the stage. grin

Lighthousekeeping Fri 24-May-13 17:57:05

I never even bothered in the end. I just deleted it. I hate all the flash backs.

SorrelForbes Fri 24-May-13 19:19:36

I haven't got round to watching it yet. Do I need to?

Euphemia Fri 24-May-13 19:39:56

Definitely!

Lighthousekeeping Fri 24-May-13 20:19:11

It wasn't for me. I gave it 15 minutes.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 24-May-13 20:47:22

I hate the flashbacks too. It's worth watching though, there's a creepy bit with Dons kids that scared the life out of me.

Kneedeepindaisies Fri 24-May-13 20:48:40

The bit with the kids was really weird. Which is saying something in that episode!

Lighthousekeeping Fri 24-May-13 21:17:01

Oh, just tell me please. I won't watch it.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 24-May-13 22:21:58

Lighthouse, I've messaged you with my very own personal synopsis smile
I didn't want to spoil it for others.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 24-May-13 22:26:53

I love Sally.

SorrelForbes Fri 24-May-13 23:36:11

How much Pete, how much Roger? [toomuchwine]

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Sat 25-May-13 08:53:23

Sorrel eh?

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 08:55:25

Oops! As in, how much are they in the Ep? Tru

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 08:56:07

Bugger. Trying to work out whether its worth watching based on Roger and Pete quotient grin

Euphemia Sat 25-May-13 09:44:49

Very little Peter or Roger, no Joan. Weirdest wacked-out 1960s druggy episode ever.

I didn't like it - I hope it's back to normal next week, and not all unpicking this week's weirdness.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 25-May-13 11:15:39

Just stumbled on this thread and loving everyone's insights. I'm in NZ and I think we're an episode behind you, so trying to dodge any spoilers from tomorrow night's episode.

Thinking about the Don-Roger thing, and why Roger is so liked and Don not ... I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that Roger is almost the only character who has any real warmth. Plus, he's also one of the most open, honest characters, so it's really easy to, well, warm to him and like him, in spite of the dislikable qualities.

Don has barely any warmth. The only characters he shows any warmth to are Anna, Peggy and Joan, really. And I'm purposely excluding his children here. Any warmth towards them seems just that bit too contrived - he doesn't know how to be a father, so he acts out the role to the best of his abilities.

I think the series is starting to pick up.

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 13:21:56

I think everyone should watch that episode like Sorrel - with too much wine! I think it would make more sense that way!

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Sat 25-May-13 14:25:40

Welcome DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper possibly the longest nickname ever there grin
I saw you on another thread and nearly PMed you an invite to this one.

I think it's worth persevering with the episode coming up for you, even though we've roundly criticised it here. The tap dance alone is worth waiting an hour for. I had to rub my eyes with disbelief.

I agree we should all be pissed like Sorrel to watch but we ought to be drinking an old fashioned.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Sat 25-May-13 14:26:27

or smoking a doobey

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 14:38:26

In my defence I did have wine and a martini (sort of 50s/60s drink)

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 14:47:40

Wine with a martini chaser - you sound like my kind of a girl Sorrel.

I actually enjoyed the episode, despite watching it with a WTF expression on my face. The burglar bit was really creepy - if I were Betty I would have gone more apeshit. Nice to see Betty looking good again aswell.

Kneedeepindaisies Sat 25-May-13 17:44:02

Hi DonDraper. smile

Why he is nice to Joan though? I understand Anna-the only one who really knew him and Peggy- he seems himself in her but Joan?

Is it because of Jaguar or before that?

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 18:39:09

He is nice to women he is not sexually involved with: Anna, Peggy, Joan. I think he loses respect for any women he can bed. Joan was never an option because of her relationship with Roger, so they can interact without the possibility of sex perhaps?

Kneedeepindaisies Sat 25-May-13 19:06:26

Do you think Don wouldn't sleep with Joan because of Roger?

Joan's slept with other colleagues so she wouldn't be bothered would she?

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 19:11:14

She slept with Kinsey, but I think that pre-dated her affair with Roger. I don't think she has slept with anyone else in the office though?

MarshaBrady Sat 25-May-13 19:12:51

Joan is his equal. Detached and sexy to others. She has the same amount of pull as he does.

Kneedeepindaisies Sat 25-May-13 19:20:40

Sorry I got confused. I thought her relationship with Kinsey was in between Roger but I think I've just decided that in my head. grin

I would have loved a Joan and Don affair at one point but not anymore. She is far too good for him.

MarshaBrady Sat 25-May-13 19:21:57

Or used to.. it's true he's going down hill. Poor sausage.

He was good when he was swimming a lot.

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 19:24:39

In the scene in the bar with Joan and Don last season after they had taken the sports car out, there was an insinuation of a past mutual attraction between them, but I don't think anything would happen between them nowadays - I reckon there's more chance of a Don/Peggy liaison than a Don/Joan one (and I don't think the former is likely at all)

Kneedeepindaisies Sat 25-May-13 19:27:33

I agree Ida. Peggy knows that Don is losing it. I can't believe anyone sane would be interested now.

Can you imagine Rachel or Bobbi being interested in Don now? I really don't think they would even consider it.

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 19:43:42

Me either. Don was always cool, calm and in control. He is now erratic and drinking way too much.
I don't know why Sylvia has affected him so much, he has had way more interesting past lovers and he hasn't mourned them much (except Rachel - he was sad when she dumped him).

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 25-May-13 20:00:19

Gotta love a good dance routine on MM - can't wait for that.

I found the Don-Sylvia hotel scenes really uncomfortable viewing, and a palpable sense of relief when she finished with him. It would have been a total downward spiral for her, had she accepted his behaviour.

Don is definitely heading somewhere dark in this series. During last week's hotel shenanigans, my DH said, 'he's a weirdo'. Which, really, has never been the adjective Don Draper conjured up in previous series! grin Tortured, messed up, contemplative, secretive, mysterious, in control, ruthless, unfeeling, brilliant, creative, suave, sexy - a whole host of other things, but never weirdo! That's a massive fall from grace for him.

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 20:23:37

Yeah - in the hotel scenes he was sweaty and seedy, not the charmer we know and love.

Kneedeepindaisies Sat 25-May-13 20:25:39

Why is he so sweaty?

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 25-May-13 20:34:06

Alcohol?

Kneedeepindaisies Sat 25-May-13 20:41:34

That's what I thought but apart from the session with Ted I don't think he's drinking more than previous seasons.

I may need to just accept this isn't real life

IdaBlankenship Sat 25-May-13 20:42:18

Maybe he has given up his cotton undies and is embracing the 60's love of nylon

Kneedeepindaisies Mon 27-May-13 09:08:38

I have just read a Mad Men spoiler. Aargh!!! Can't believe it!

IdaBlankenship Mon 27-May-13 09:11:44

Me too - literally 20 seconds ago. Totally by accident - I am so pissed off!

Kneedeepindaisies Mon 27-May-13 09:12:46

I wish I could remove it from my brain.

I don't mind if I'm looking for spoilers but I wasn't.

IdaBlankenship Mon 27-May-13 09:14:47

DM - sidebar of shame? I guess I deserve it for even looking at that site...

Kneedeepindaisies Mon 27-May-13 09:17:30

Ha! That will teach us!

I am quite excited to watch Wednesday but wish I could have been surprised.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 27-May-13 13:46:31

I'm not looking. I'm not looking.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Mon 27-May-13 14:31:09

Do we find out why he's so sweaty?!

IdaBlankenship Mon 27-May-13 14:53:41

I'm keeping schtum....

GetOrfMoiLand Mon 27-May-13 14:59:13

Don and Joan have a very healthy relationship (for him anyway). They were very funny when they laughed in the hospital after the bloke had his foot cut off by the lawnmower, and when Don won the award and they were holding hands with nerves under the table.

I agree with you about Roger, arse as he is he is at least warm and engaging. Don is just unpleasant all the way thorough, and as cold as ice.

Kneedeepindaisies Mon 27-May-13 15:35:23

Accidental grin

If only we could find that out!

GetOrfMoiLand Mon 27-May-13 16:03:33

That is really remiss of the DM to do that - it says spoiler but you can see what happens from the thumbnails.

Not that I care personally as I spoilt any suspense for myself by reading the entirety of Tomand Lorenzo when watching series 1 a few months ago, but it is crap for everyone else I think.

Kneedeepindaisies Mon 27-May-13 16:18:22

Just another reason to stop going on the DM website.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 27-May-13 17:04:37

He's sweaty because he's over weight and drinking too much. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave him a heart scare. I hope not because I couldn't face anymore flashbacks.

Lighthousekeeping Wed 29-May-13 20:53:10

My wine is just breathing. Don't let me down tonight.

Kneedeepindaisies Wed 29-May-13 21:39:52

Forgot it was Wednesday!! Only 20 minutes to go.

Lighthousekeeping Wed 29-May-13 23:40:51

Well, that was worth staying up for grin

Lighthousekeeping Thu 30-May-13 00:01:10

That was the Mad Men I have been missing for so long. I loved it.

Euphemia Thu 30-May-13 07:25:08

Much better episode! So much going on!

What was Bob doing at Joan's place in his wee shorts?!

Poor Peggy. sad

Poor Megan! Not a friend in the world.

SorrelForbes Thu 30-May-13 07:37:38

I watched episodes 8&9 back to back. Well... That's more like it grin. Poor Megan and poor Peggy.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 30-May-13 10:38:25

It's back to form! I think that was the best episode of the season yet.
I'm glad Peggy's relationship is over, they were mismatched.

It doesn't surprise me that Betty and Don got together, sex was the only good thing about their relationship. I suspect he would have left Megan like a shot if Peggy had wanted it.

Bob Benson- he's a sly one, he's definitely got a game plan.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Thu 30-May-13 10:39:06

Ooh, massively looking forward to this week now!

Does anyone else 'like' MM on Facebook? Some great pics. Luckily they are pretty good at not giving spoilers, but I do have to concentrate a bit to ensure!!

Don't reveal anything to me, please!! Talk in code if necessary. grin

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Thu 30-May-13 10:42:54

That Bob Benson is one to watch...

SorrelForbes Thu 30-May-13 10:46:12

Never trust a man in tight shorts

FoulOleRon Thu 30-May-13 10:53:26

And Betty back in control! Full of confidence in her old body while Megan and Peggy are losing theirs.
Don realised that Betty has left him in the past.
What is Bob's plan and is Peter after Joan along with Bob and Roger (again)?

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 30-May-13 10:59:02

Such a great episode.smile

Betty looked fab.

Trying to figure out the whole point of the Joan, Roger, daughter, grandson scene and then the Joan, Roger, Bob scene. Is it because he's not allowed to see his grandson that he wants to see Kevin?

ArtexMonkey Thu 30-May-13 11:22:19

I loved seeing Betty with her mojo back, and pmsl at roger's dr zaius voice. I think he was toying with the idea of trying to be a decent father/grandfather this episode and that's why he just descended on Joan.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 30-May-13 11:26:49

my dd watched a couple of episodes with me, and now wants to go back to the start and watch them all. She thinks it is brilliant. She also thinks Don is wonderfully good looking. <doom>

I have just watched the very first episode with her, it seems so different. I am glad to watch it again as I disliked it on first viewing and now can appreciate it.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Thu 30-May-13 11:30:40

That first episode is fantastic, in hindsight.

I love the scene with Sal, he's talking in wonderment, how someone can live a life as a lie. So clever.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 30-May-13 12:02:17

I don't think Don would have ever got with Peggy tbh. No offence to Peggy she's my favourite but, she's not his type.

I think there's only two more left. I love it when it's not trying to be too clever. Did Joan ever get divorced?

ArtexMonkey Thu 30-May-13 12:19:34

Yeah she did, the papers were served on her in the office and she had a massive go at the receptionist.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 30-May-13 12:45:10

I don't remember that ArtexMonkey thanks for the reminder.
It's a bit like school where you've realised you've only been paying attention 50% of the time!

ArtexMonkey Thu 30-May-13 12:59:38

I've just had to google it because I was paranoid I'd imagined it then. But no, it did happen, phew.

So has anyone read the tom and Lorenzo posts about last night's episode? Some really interesting stuff about abe and Megan's clothes being similar, and the sirens over Megan's scenes with don, and the fact that her t shirt with the red star is the same as one Sharon Tate was once photographed in.....

Lighthousekeeping Thu 30-May-13 13:04:59

You don't think they read too much into it do you? grin

ArtexMonkey Thu 30-May-13 13:28:02

grin ikwym, but I love all that, janie Bryant is a goddamn genius.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 30-May-13 13:32:39

YES I read that as well, that the star links with Abe's being stabbed and represents blood, as well as the link with what Sharon tate was photographed in not long before she was murdered.

I haven't even seen that episode yet.

I am trying to remember what life was like before Tom and Lorenzo...

Vanity Fair also does very good interviews with Janie Bryant.

God it's a clever TV show, I am going to watch 'em all again with dd.

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 30-May-13 13:33:46

I am rather shamefaced about my previous thread when I started watching Mad Men 'who are all these horrible fuckers' or however I titled it. grin blush

SorrelForbes Thu 30-May-13 13:49:27

GOML They are mostly horrible fuckers though grin Still love them.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 30-May-13 16:34:14

Multifaceted is what they are grin

SorrelForbes Thu 30-May-13 16:58:37

and Pete is just misunderstood <tries to suppress Campbell lust>

GetOrfMoiLand Thu 30-May-13 17:05:06

Oh god I am the same.

I need a chemical shower and a lobotomy to forget such shameful thoughts.

SorrelForbes Thu 30-May-13 17:14:45

It's so wrong

ArtexMonkey Thu 30-May-13 17:34:20

The bloke who plays pete is really cool in real life. He shaves the front of his hair to get that receding hairline thing going on.

MarshaBrady Thu 30-May-13 17:36:33

That's why it looks so odd. I really like Pete, because he really suits his account role.

Loved that bit where he explained to Megan's father what he did.

Although I find Megan's mother irritating.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 30-May-13 20:44:12

You Pete Campbell lovers are all a bit odd.

<runs away>

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Thu 30-May-13 21:07:49

He makes me feel a bit sick, he's got that nasty lip curl and sneer whenever he says anything. Perversely I love to see what he's going to do next.
In the past he's just been a terrible self centred character but they seem to be giving him more dimension so that we have some empathy for him.

MarshaBrady Thu 30-May-13 21:10:34

I don't fancy him, but he's a great character.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 30-May-13 21:10:35

He's a great character and I am definitely liking him more than I have done in the past.

The thought of his receding hairline in bed with me makes me want to vomit.

MarshaBrady Thu 30-May-13 21:11:42

The shaved hairline is so odd looking.

IdaBlankenship Thu 30-May-13 22:08:13

I loved this episode. Betty back on form - I loved how honest she was with Don and how she managed to wrong foot him at the end. She was right, she wouldn't be able to hold his attention for long - no-one could.
Also loved Bob Bensons teeny weeny shorts.
The stabbing really took me aback, these flashes of unexpected violence (lawnmower I'm looking at you) are really unsettling.
Off to read T&L now!

Euphemia Wed 05-Jun-13 23:32:33

Okay, fed up with all the drug-fuelled hallucinatory bullshit now - just get on with the story already!

I love Roger, though: "I wanna go to the Sunset Strip, watch a girl dance in a cage!" grin

Lighthousekeeping Wed 05-Jun-13 23:46:59

Oh, don't tell me there's more? I can't be bothered to watch it now.

Euphemia Thu 06-Jun-13 07:12:02

It's worth watching for the bits in New York, but I would fast forward through the wacky Californication distraction.

IdaBlankenship Thu 06-Jun-13 08:23:10

I was a bit bored with the LA story too. The dealings and machinations of SCDPCGC was worth it though. Some great moments with Cutler, Benson, Ginsberg and of course Joan and Peggy. I hope Avon does call!

Kneedeepindaisies Fri 07-Jun-13 10:47:33

Well that episode was a bit blah.

I'm off to read Tom and Lorenzo. I'm preferring that to the actual TV programme.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 07-Jun-13 16:27:58

So the actor playing Roger directed this episode and it was the most wooden acting I've seen from him. I wonder why? He looked distinctly uncomfortable in his skin, without his usual ease.
I did love the scene when he was taking the piss out of the small guy though, very funny.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 07-Jun-13 18:11:21

It's lost it's wat. This season hasn't been Up to standard. The only one that got us excited was the Betty one I don't know what that says about us

TheAccidentalExhibitionist Fri 07-Jun-13 18:40:22

I've loved pretty much all of the episodes, just not as much as I've loved the previous seasons. I agree it's lost it's way a bit though.

IdaBlankenship Fri 07-Jun-13 20:41:23

It's still very good though, lots of great little moments (although the whole ep was a little underwhelming). I loved Peggy saving Joan's bacon at the end, and that they do have some rather uneasy solidarity. Also great last shot of Pete.

SquidgyMummy Fri 07-Jun-13 20:49:50

I think they are spinning it out too much. Is this one not the last season?
Anything more would just be painful.
Maybe i am taking the titles too literally, but will it end with someone jumping out of the window?
Either Pete or Don methinks.

SorrelForbes Fri 07-Jun-13 20:57:35

Totally OK with Don jumping but not Pete am bad person