The Village anyone?

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PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:01:27

Just starting, I'm looking forward to this.

diddl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:05:56

I'm watching-but confused alreadyblush

Is the guy supposed to be 112??

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:09:28

Watching, why aren't they allowed to sit?

KenDoddsDadsDog Sun 31-Mar-13 21:10:59

Watching . Just for John Simm .

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:11:19

It's upsetting already. Don't know why ther aren't allowed to sit. John Simm is a nasty piece of work.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:11:39

Not sure it's going to be relaxing Sunday night show I already want this bastard to die a slow painful death.

I'm in, dad is nasty!!

This is so disturbing, nightmares tonight after watching this. Horrible bully.

Not really liking this so far sad

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:15:26

No me neither. It's going worse.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:16:49

Bastard...I'm a leftie.
Are there any decent men in this villiage or are they all abusive bastards?

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:17:38

Wed be buggered at school n them days 3 of us are left handed !!

I want Mr Selfridge back, too depressing for Sunday night.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:18:38

Now a nasty rich bitch....

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:20:21

Ah the teachers nice smile

Nice teacher, that's about it so far.

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:21:13

toughasoldboots it's gone from one extreme t' t'other!

diddl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:21:21

I was also watching for John Simm.

I wasn't looking all that closely-were there not enough chairs??

Or is it a power/abuse thing?

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:22:21

Power I thought

HumphreyCobbler Sun 31-Mar-13 21:22:28

this is rather depressing

Where are the heart warming stories of life in a village??

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:22:44

Not enough chairs I think.

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:23:42

It's a power thing.

Not particularly gripping so far.

doyouwantfrieswiththat Sun 31-Mar-13 21:24:13

Nice version of 'I vow to thee my country' though.

I thought power, it has 5 more minutes and I'm giving up.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:24:51

ging tell me about it ging! I'm thankful I was born in the 1980s!
My mum was a young mum but she still remembers the comments about lefties at her very strict catholic school, so she was always particular about people not making comments to me about it. Including getting snotty with teachers who whined I rubbed along the page and messed it up.

At least the other teacher was nice.
I love period dramas but this one needs a bit less misery for me to want to continue with it.

kansasmum Sun 31-Mar-13 21:25:06

Sadly I thought this would be depressing and I'm not wrong. BBC dramas ain't what they used to be!

dingit Sun 31-Mar-13 21:25:55

I thought this would have a feel good factor, like call the midwife hmm

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:27:20

Thinking same tickety boo not understanding why they've started off so bad and harrowing. It's not entertaining, it's upsetting. Not happy, thought it would be a CTM replacement or at least 'How Green is my valley'.

I Vow To Thee My Country best bit

I am giving it 5 min too and I will suffer Dave or something unless it improves.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:27:51

For farmers of that era they seem to have a large (if sparse) house.
Love the young teacher defying the HT.

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:27:56

Its real Life thats why. Not everything was warm fire and a communial pic nic after church on May day .

FiveGoMadInDorset Sun 31-Mar-13 21:28:18

And just turned over.

I know but I want a bit of escapism.

moggiek Sun 31-Mar-13 21:30:34

Spectacularly underwhelmed ....

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:31:37

Naughty little shit peaking at them.

Me too Oldboots I don't mind a bit of misery as long as it is mixed in with some nice stuff too.

Southeastdweller Sun 31-Mar-13 21:32:19

Too depressing for Easter night but will watch to the end.

dingit Sun 31-Mar-13 21:32:35

Had enough.

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:32:39

He he cheeky little boy grin

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:32:55

How about a bit of voyeurism?

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:33:44

Are with tough I can't see this getting another series, got no chance of lasting the 100 years.

There isn't anyone likeable in it, 'Cept maybe mother.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:34:15

Hanging on in there...

diddl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:34:21

Oh bloody hell-I've just read that it's to span 100yrs-42eps!!

No way!

That's me off!

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:35:50

Whos the young lady ?

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:36:24

42 eps well it better bloody cheer up!

dingit Sun 31-Mar-13 21:37:55

Think its 6 weeks to begin with.

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 21:38:29

I presume it goes straight into the Great War from here.

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:38:40

42 episodes?!

Even Maeve Binchy and Catherine Cookson managed better than this!

Criky, I don't want to turn off in case something good actually happens but this is s*

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 21:40:18

There's only 6 episodes. Think they are planning on making the other's to span 100 years. Based on this I can't see it happening unless it cheers up a bit. I know it's a reflection of real life but we all have real lives and want entertaining and, as someone said up thread, a feel good factor. It's Sunday night or God's sake, haven't they learned from Downton and CTM??

dingit Sun 31-Mar-13 21:41:02

Juliet Stevensons looking really old.

diddl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:41:19

OK, haven't bothered to turn over yet but not really watching iyswim.

Why is Martha at "the big house"?

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:41:27

Oh I'm liking the female teacher more, I love a good suffragettes.
Hating the ritch bitch more now she's shown she has no mind of her own.

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:42:27

Who is she anyway?

It's a bit cliched.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:43:22

Now the sons an bloody snob too.

So far the only likeable have been both teachers plus the business man plus the kids.

dingit Sun 31-Mar-13 21:43:51

I think I have wasted an hour I could have spent reading my trashy chick lit novel.

Southeastdweller Sun 31-Mar-13 21:43:57

Really looking forward to Downton coming back in September.

Don't think I'll bother watching this next week unless the preview looks more upbeat. Escapism is what I need on Sunday nights.

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 21:44:24

All 'father' needs is a scythe.

Am not paying full attention, but am a bit lost. Not sure how the characters fit together here.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:49:20

NO not the army!!!

Well I've just watched a boy masturbating whilst sitting next to MIL. That was awkward.

Agree this is a bit depressing. Hope it picks up.

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:50:57

iwas lol that's the biggest laugh this program has given me so far, poor you.

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 21:52:12

iwasyoungonce it's not exactly Lark Rise to Candelford, is it?

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:52:20

I'm hoping father will meet a nasty comeuppance.

That ginger girl is trouble too.

And I wish she would put that bloody dog down!!!

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 31-Mar-13 21:52:52


Ooh she did blush

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:53:12

Enjoying the sex with mil next to you, now??!!

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:53:38

Lol just what I said ticketyboo grin

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:53:51

Oh err its all gne a bit Lady Chatterly...

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:55:00

ship [bugrin] poor iwas

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 21:55:12

Bet she's preggers and years later Bert gets involved in incestuous relationship.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:56:19

Sod of a teacher

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:56:20

How can she marry him hes going to war !!

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:56:32

sad most of those poor boys won't be coming home.
No chance of it being less depressing.

Too little to late daddy!!!

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 21:57:54

gin I think he means when he gets back. But none of them are coming back...

ShatnersBassoon Sun 31-Mar-13 21:57:58

Yes, it was a bit awkward trying not to react when I'm sitting next to my mum when the boy was masturbating. I just reached for the Radio Times and said "Not sure I can stick 6 episodes of this".

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 31-Mar-13 21:58:34

I know Bairn. Sigh.

Gosh now stones are being thrown at a 'German Dog'

It's over, I have enjoyed this thread more than that bloody programme!

gingeme Sun 31-Mar-13 21:59:54

Phew that was hard work sad

LittleBairn Sun 31-Mar-13 21:59:55

Ok I admit I'm having a little sob, the lovely teacher giving him the photo.

gallicgirl Sun 31-Mar-13 22:00:00

Hardly compelling.

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 22:00:57

'Compelling' = serious waste of money

BaconAndAvocado Sun 31-Mar-13 22:05:19


The little boy was amazing, those enormous eyes! Thought Maxine Peake was superb as usual. It was gut wrenching in parts but extremely heart warming in others. Another winner from the Beeb.

BaconAndAvocado Sun 31-Mar-13 22:06:07

Yes, the bit with the lovely teacher and photo had me sobbing!

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 22:06:58

Bacon Are you by chance the commissioning editor? grin

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 22:09:44

I will be watching again. Even though it was tough. I felt there was an honesty in it that is perhaps glossed over in Downton and Larkrise.

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 22:09:55

Big disappointment. Nothing making me want to watch next week. As ticketyboo says, the thread was more entertaining than the program.

Don't care enough about the characters, even Bert, who is supposed to be the central character is poor (the script not the actor).

Maxine Peake and John Simm can't save this dirge.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 22:10:03

And I did enjoy the thread grin

diddl Sun 31-Mar-13 22:10:46

Heart warming?

Must have been when I blinked!!

Who was the businessman talking about shoes?

Was all a bit stereotypical, wasn't it?

Also, if it's Bert's memoirs-how does hw know what went on at "the big house" when he wasn't there??confused

SirChenjin Sun 31-Mar-13 22:10:57

Not quite the light hearted period drama DD and I like to watch together on a Sunday evening once we've banaished the smelly boys to other parts of the house! Still v good though.

Missed the first 10 minutes of it - was the old man at the end the younger brother in old age?

It was a good thread, not enough in the programme to grab me.

PenelopePisstop Sun 31-Mar-13 22:11:35

Bacon there was nothing heartwarming about it. And definately nothing emotional! Have you got links to the program?

girliefriend Sun 31-Mar-13 22:13:52

I didn't think it was that bad grin but yes call the midwife it is not!!

Thought young Bert was a good little actor and reminds me how lucky we are not to of been born in that time!! Was shock at how left handed kids were treated - had no idea sad

Felt a bit sorry for the dad, think he has lost his way a bit, what did he do that he hasn't been forgiven for?

The worst bit for me was when the boys threw stones at the little dog angry

I thought it was good, sad though.

That wee boy is gorgeous, he's going to be a heartthrob when older.

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 31-Mar-13 22:28:53

On another matter: Foyles war anyone? Or am I clutching at straws post-Downton?

ithaka Sun 31-Mar-13 22:38:05

I watched it purely because it was set in Hayfield & I used to live there. Lovely village - but the series looks a bit gritty for a Sunday night.

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 22:39:18

I went off Anthony Horowitz after Questiontime and then realised I've never much liked Foyles' War either.

greencolorpack Sun 31-Mar-13 22:41:53

I thought, aww they will all end up dying in world war one and then I saw their civilian homelife and thought that the bombs of the Somme might come as a blessed relief to these poor boys of the village!!!

Why does the main character little boy grow up from a brown eyed child to a blue eyed old man? I always notice stupid things like that.

Maryz Sun 31-Mar-13 22:43:19

dh's brother was beaten to give up using his left hand sad. Luckily the policy changed the year before dh started school.

I suppose it had to be depressing. I don't know what they will do with the house owner (the old man whose face had been burned) and I assume they will cover the war, but it's the younger boy's memoirs so they can only cover how it was at home (lots of telegrams saying young men are dead I presume).

So maybe not so cheerful hmm

BrandNewRetro Sun 31-Mar-13 23:26:14

It took a bit of getting used to but I liked it. When John Sim started caressing his floor was when I realised I was won over.

Clayhead Sun 31-Mar-13 23:39:03

I liked it, am intrigued.

Darkesteyes Mon 01-Apr-13 00:25:51

I liked it too. i like my drama gritty and realistic. I wasnt tuning in expecting to see a Hans Christian Anderson version of the past.

Love John Simm and Maxine Peake. Two of the best actors this country has.
Theres an interview with Maxine in the latest issue of Psychologies for anyone on this thread who might be interested.

Darkesteyes Mon 01-Apr-13 00:31:46
DrCoconut Mon 01-Apr-13 01:07:24

About the standing up. It was normal in many families especially old fashioned chapel goers for children to eat standing up. My mum remembers getting a chair as a real rite of passage. And that was in the 60's. I'm guessing it was much more widely practised back when this is set. Therefore making the older boy stand is a way of putting him in his place and reminding him who is boss.

Still18atheart Mon 01-Apr-13 01:28:02

I didn't think it was brilliant but I thought it was good. Will watch again, according to the reviews next weeks is less depressing.

AllOverIt Mon 01-Apr-13 07:34:45

I liked it. It was really realistic.

Many men joined the war at the beginning as they were so impoverished. They knew that by joining they'd get three meals a easy, and the pay was relatively good. No one knew what a bloodbath it would turn out to be.

In terms of chances if coming back, statistically over the 4ish years of war, 'only' 1 in 5 died. However the Pals Battalions that Joe was joining meant that if one operation went badly for their particular unit, huge numbers of men from one particular village would die or return injured. That's why you sometimes see large numbers of names on war memorials in seemingly small villages. It's also why they eventually stopped Pals Battalions.

DCIlouisemonroe Mon 01-Apr-13 08:34:01

Well I tuned in not expecting to like it generally hate period dramas.

Liked it....

ProfYaffle Mon 01-Apr-13 08:47:39

I enjoyed it too. I'm not a fan of the more cosy period dramas. I liked seeing a realistic portrayal of working class life.

I'm researching my family tree at the moment and just about everyone married at 20/21, like an alarm goes off and they just grab the nearest person of the opposite sex and right age so they can get married on cue. I often wonder what sort of marriage those people lived through and imagine many of them ended up like this one.

diddl Mon 01-Apr-13 09:11:52

Well, after all I said I will probably give it another tryblush, as it is the sort of thing I usually enjoy.

Although I didn't like the father, I'm wanted to know what has gone wrong.

Is he drinking because its gone wrong with the farm?

Has it gone wrong because he drinks?

Didn't the wife help with the farming-would she have done?

Did anyone ever watch Heimat?

ProfYaffle Mon 01-Apr-13 09:17:49

I wondered that too, why wasn't the older son working on the farm? Why wouldn't he keep the younger one off school to work on the farm? (not ideal but better than starving surely) What was the thing she has forgiven him for? And the neighbour who paid his slate in the pub, does he know something about why he's in his current mess? I felt sorry for him when he was laying on the floor.

BrandNewRetro Mon 01-Apr-13 09:20:41

What was Heimat?

I'll be watching again too, I'm hoping life will get better for people overall as the century progresses.

Really looking forward to how they deal with the 70's/80s!

BrandNewRetro Mon 01-Apr-13 09:21:37

I felt sorry for him when he was laying on the floor too.

ProfYaffle Mon 01-Apr-13 09:30:53

Heimat's a German TV programme with a similar format, went on for hundreds of hours or something. I've not seen it.

diddl Mon 01-Apr-13 09:31:21
carabos Mon 01-Apr-13 09:33:22

Turned it off after the "Lady Chatterley" sex scene. Honestly how unoriginal was that. The little boy was horrible, the female teacher was horrible, the father was a caricature, the Juliet Stevenson character was a caricature. In all, tedious and one- dimensional.

Pan Mon 01-Apr-13 09:40:10

This is my part of the world, so it was nice to see it and do a bit of location spotting.
But it was pretty relentlessly grim, and as carabos says too many of the characters were uni-dimensional, though the following episodes can put that right.
The pacing was awful though. But what a massively impressive cast!

PuppyMonkey Mon 01-Apr-13 09:47:23

I liked it too. The little boy lives in the area I cover on my local newspaper and I had to interview him the other day. smile

Those saying you didn't like the father - have you thought maybe you're not supposed to like him?.confused

Pan Mon 01-Apr-13 09:50:24

I'm expecting some redemption of the father - surely he can't be this menacing for another 5 episodes!

eatyourveg Mon 01-Apr-13 09:57:08

Didn't hear I vow to thee my country, the soundtrack to the trailer, it was a lovely version but wasn't at the opening titles. Had I fallen asleep and missed it being played at the end?

LittleBairn Mon 01-Apr-13 10:16:45

puppy well obviously we are not supposed to like him otherwise they wouldn't have made him an abusive bastard...

It's just cliched crap that men in them days were well ard but meant well but led a poor tough life.
I fully expect he will have full redemption by end of the series. But I won't be buying into it abusive bastards are always abusive bastards regardless of era and hardship.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Mon 01-Apr-13 10:18:59

Well, perhaps we will make that judgement if it turns out you are right about the plot. but until then, lets just wait an see what happens

5Foot5 Mon 01-Apr-13 16:54:58

Well I thought it wasn't too bad either. It's the eve of the Great War and a poor rural area so I think grim is what you should expect really.

I am going to give it a bit longer.

zukiecat Mon 01-Apr-13 18:17:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DadOnIce Mon 01-Apr-13 18:21:53

Why were there two teachers? It seemed like a big class of boys for such a small village.

Toasttoppers Mon 01-Apr-13 18:37:37

I really loved it, there was no divorce for the working classes then, life was very hard.

There is a place for heart warming Lark Rise to Candleford stuff but we still need gritty dramas.

For real grittiness try reading Her People and where there's life by Kathleen Dayus and The Road to Nab End by William woodruff.

smokinaces Mon 01-Apr-13 20:46:25

I enjoyed it. I don't like downton or call the midwife, but this i liked. So sad seeing them all waved off to war :-(

LittleBairn Mon 01-Apr-13 21:03:56

dad I would have though big famillies are common place in those days so lots of boys.

My great grandmother had around 15 that survived infancy, my granny always complained she was a right grumpy cow. So would I have been had I been forced into a situation of raising 15 kids with little money! These shows always make me greatful for family planning and divorce.

FairPhyllis Mon 01-Apr-13 21:18:20

I really liked it. I hope they do get to make more of it. I do feel that some of the characters were a bit cliched - abusive Northern father, rich bitch in the big house. But I do like that it focuses on what village life was like in that period - this is the sort of village all my mum's family were living in at the time. Period drama that shows working class life is almost always urban or focused on 'upstairs downstairs'.

FairPhyllis Mon 01-Apr-13 21:19:36

Meant to say: however I don't think Sunday night is a good time for it to go out. On Sunday night people want heartwarming and escapist.

KurriKurri Tue 02-Apr-13 18:44:18

I quite liked it although found it a bit slow. Don't mind that some characters are nasty- that makes it more real IMO. All that stuff about kids being forced to write with their right hand was definitely going on when my parents were at school. My grandma went into the school and told them if they tried to make my left handed uncle write with his right hand she'd come in a make hell for them. We also had a neighbour who'd been forced to write right handed and she ended up with a terrible stammer sad

Having said that, - I grew up in a very rural community, my Dad was from a poor working class back ground and used to scythe our lawn because it was 'quicker than mowing' grin - I'm a big fan of John Simm, but his scything sucks big time - stop going over and over the same bit mate, you'll get more done! No wonder your stacks went mouldy. grin

WireCatWhore Tue 02-Apr-13 23:57:22

I just watched it.
I liked it.

Ellenora5 Wed 03-Apr-13 15:13:13

I watched it last night, I'm on the fence at the moment, I will watch next week and see how it goes.

DadOnIce Wed 03-Apr-13 15:33:50

It is a bit "eee, it's grim oop Noorth." It can only get grimmer as the fallout from World War I happens... And then if it makes it as far as Series 3 we have the Great Depression to look forward to.

KurriKurri Wed 03-Apr-13 19:07:22

Little Bert doesn't seem to have a Yorkshire accent (or even a 'generic northern' one - is he adopted?

Pan Wed 03-Apr-13 19:32:48

The series wasn't filmed or supposed to be in Yorkshire tho' - it's filmed here in the Derbyshire 'Dark Peak' area, and iirc the boy's accent is pretty reasonable.

DadOnIce Wed 03-Apr-13 19:34:58

It does seem odd the way he says some words in a very different accent from his brother.

KurriKurri Wed 03-Apr-13 19:47:43

Oh - that would explain the non Yorkshire accent Pan blush <note to self - pay some attention to programmes before you slag them off! grin>

But - I still maintain the young lad has a different accent to the older boy, - and that is not realistic, one of them is surely wrong.

Pan Wed 03-Apr-13 20:04:54

s'okay - it isn't supposed to be specific to any region, I don't think. tbh I hadn't noticed the accent thing with his older brother. Which is a bit late for me now, given that the Somme is waiting for laddio.......[verysadindeed]

PuppyMonkey Wed 03-Apr-13 20:13:50

The little boy is from Nottingham and therefore he has something approaching the right accent for Derbyshire where it's set.

PanicMode Thu 04-Apr-13 13:24:36

I only just managed to watch it last night- I agree with whoever upthread who said it was cliched, one dimensional, predictable nonsense, with terrible pacing. Not sure I'll be watching the next one, which is a shame as the cast is good.

Anifrangapani Sat 06-Apr-13 00:12:30

He is speaking right for Hayfield. The farm house used has been a farm house since year dot - but not in Hayfield, just across the hill.

boxershorts Sat 06-Apr-13 11:47:34

good but too slow and predicatable for people of my age

I watched it last night and loved it.

I also love Downton and have been known to watch Larkrise. But glad to see a show that is a bit more honest about how shit life was for people then.

Womwn were not respected. Children had their place. We look at the father now and see an abusive man but actually, in that era he wasnt abusive. Schools hit kids, do you think they are going to find locking the child in a cupboard wrong?

I think the big house is also where Secrets of Crickley Hall was filmed.

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 20:13:16

Let's see what tonight brings (more misery probably wink)

rubystiles Sun 07-Apr-13 20:27:37

Going to watch tonight, hopefully it will be a bit less depressing! The big house is where Crickley Hall was filmed, it belongs to friends of mine and the BBC asked to use it again after they'd finished filming Crickley

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 20:34:18

Whereabouts is it ruby? Is it near Hayfield?

rubystiles Sun 07-Apr-13 20:40:07

It's in Chapel en le Frith so not too far from Hayfield!
They changed so much in the house it was almost unrecognisable - the drive at the front of the house was added in as it was all grass before and all the wood on the staircase has been added it so the house looks a lot 'darker' than it actually is

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 20:42:16

My DD's IL's have just moved to Hayfield and we went to visit a couple of weeks ago. It's a lovely place, I'm watching out for their cottage!

rubystiles Sun 07-Apr-13 20:53:22

It is lovely! Perfect setting for dramas like this

Pan Sun 07-Apr-13 21:02:09

placing my scythe..

3MonthMaid Sun 07-Apr-13 21:10:50

I'm confused already...

fossil971 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:12:26

I'm confused too, can anyone fill in? I missed most of last week because the DC wouldn't go to bed!

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 07-Apr-13 21:12:47

Baby? Maybe it's the dachshund.

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:13:37

I watched it last week and I'm confused. It was same last week, hard to follow.

gallicgirl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:15:08

Baby? Huh?
Dachshund is a good guess although I did wonder if she would be pregnant after last week's rumpus.

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 07-Apr-13 21:16:40

What's with the dark haired girl fancying that man?

What's with the teacher girl??

LadyHarrietdeSpook Sun 07-Apr-13 21:17:35

Maybe it's not fancying. God knows what's going on.

I feel like I've missed something too confused

So the dog is in the grave but why is churchmans daughter gone for abusive man ?

AllOverIt Sun 07-Apr-13 21:18:19

I'm confused. Who is that teacher woman?

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:20:11

I think she's trying to save him from drinking.

Is the minister her father? Missed that.

Methodists don't drink do they?

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:21:08

Yes he's her father.

Where are middletons sons? I missed the first 5 minutes.

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:23:05

Joe's enlisted.

He's alcoholic, it doesn't care what denomination you are

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:23:33

Am thoroughly confused now - why was she naked? What was on the bed?

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:24:12

The dead dog was on the bed - she must've dug it up?

gallicgirl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:24:30

The oldest son went to war Bea.

I thought the minister was the teacher girl's brother.
Realising I don't know anyone's name.

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:24:50

Ah ok. Did Middleton do something to Cora? Is That her name?


gallicgirl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:25:20

Hurrah! Called it!

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:25:34

Ministers defo self righteous girls dad

gallicgirl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:26:36

Caroline is the ginger girl. She had sex with Joe Middleton just before he left.

difficultpickle Sun 07-Apr-13 21:26:37

Why did Middleton chew on a brush at about 5 mins in tonight?

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:27:19

I am trying desperately to like this. But it's bloody hard

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:29:24

I don't know bisjo. Am losing will to care.

Was that when he drank the water she used to wash the floor because it has beer in it <vom>

Hate that teacher, hope he comes to a sticky end

I presumed there was alcohol in whatever she was scrubbing the floor with and he was sucking on the brush to get every last drop, but I'm also confused!

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:32:56

glaikit yes. He would drink anything that had a trace of alcohol in it. Sad isn't it.

difficultpickle Sun 07-Apr-13 21:33:20

It is relentless isn't it?

Thanks Glaikat I think that must be the answer.

Not sure I'm going to carry on watching. I just don't understand why the teacher is so abusive to Bert all the time.

AllOverIt Sun 07-Apr-13 21:33:45

That teacher is evil. I'm hoping he gets sent off to France for his comeuppance....

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:35:45

I think he is because he can be hmm

PenelopePortrait Sun 07-Apr-13 21:36:00

Feel same bisjo.

Hope John Middleton goes and beats the sit out of that teacher. If this is going to turn out a decent program then that surely must happen?

gallicgirl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:37:03

Argh missed some while making butties.
What did the teacher do this time?

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:37:42

Beat him up and crushed his fingers hmm

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:39:06

Oh I've only just realised - is grace prehnant??

gallicgirl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:39:43

That's right nasty. Wonder if its accurate that everyone ignores the violence.

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:41:27

My dad says he had a wicked teacher at school in 40s hmm

BeaWheesht Sun 07-Apr-13 21:46:55

Ps I know this a lot earlier than 40s but I mean it obviously went on

My grandma had her left hand broken by a teacher to stop her writing with it sad

NuhichNuhaymuh Sun 07-Apr-13 22:08:43

Thought he'd upped and offed to the boozer with the money to start with.

Inncogneetow Sun 07-Apr-13 22:14:26

Does anyone know the name of the actor playing the churchman? I'm sure I've seen him at the RSC a couple of times.

Pan Sun 07-Apr-13 22:31:44

Wow! So much going on! The Middletons will make royalty yet. It's a historic biog!

Pan Sun 07-Apr-13 22:34:50

He was also that v poor spy thriller "Hunted" last year, on BBC1.

He was creepy in that, gave me the heebee jeebees

Idontknowhowtohelpher Sun 07-Apr-13 22:58:45

I was trying to work out why the detective looked familiar - so I googled him. Joe Armstrong - Alun Armstrong's son! A real family resemblence. I bet you all knew that already...

highlandcoo Sun 07-Apr-13 23:05:35

Yes, also spotted that Idon'tknow - very like his dad but more attractive don't you think?

I'm enjoying this series. We go walking in Derbyshire a lot - don't know it well enough to recognise specific locations but the general feel of the area is very familiar.

I knew John Simms and Maxine Peake would be good but think the young boy is excellent too.

Toasttoppers Sun 07-Apr-13 23:44:00

I missed the first three minutes, can anyone tell me who Peggy was? A relative?

Clawdy Mon 08-Apr-13 08:24:44

Were those boys handing over sixpence each to little Bert? That was a lot of money in those days! His mum was struggling to find tuppence for her food in the local shop. One boy was asked to give only a penny because he was poor,I'm sure that would have been as much as any child then would have been able to find.

Ellenora5 Mon 08-Apr-13 09:35:21

I was on the fence last week, still sitting on it this week, I really can't make up my mind as to whether or not I like it. I'll probably stick with it. If it wasn't for this thread I would be very confused.

alemci Mon 08-Apr-13 09:44:22

why did it take the pregnant girl all that time to look for the dog? wasn't it hurt when she was with Joe and that was 5 months ago. bit confusing.

also is she meant to be not very bright?

FoxyRevenger Mon 08-Apr-13 10:03:39

I just watched both episodes last night. It was as if they were each written by different writers, the characters were really changed, it made no sense.

And the stereotypical characters...the flighty hysterical maid, the upper class girl seducing the poor but handsome
servant lazy!!

And I thought it was very handy that John Simm tried to kill himself in full view of his own back garden. As if. And the bit where the wee boy cut the dead woman's wrist. As if times a million.

I'm giving up!

Mrsrobertduvall Mon 08-Apr-13 10:34:15

I kept thinking her washing would Dry nicely on the line grin

Inncogneetow Mon 08-Apr-13 10:54:14

Thanks GlaikitFizzog

gazzalw Mon 08-Apr-13 11:02:26

I think you will probably find that a lot of these hmm things happened more than we might imagine - including servant/master/mistress 'seductions' and all the rest.

I think it is nitty realism of that era.

I watched it last night but thought it was as bleak as the first episode, just in a different way really sad.

But why did Bert slit the wrists of the old lady? Didn't get that bit at all...

I have a feeling that it will 'grow on one' but we will probably have to watch the whole 100 year saga to get the full measure of it....

Gazzalw, the old lady made him swear to do something she whispered to him, after she said she was worried she would be buried alive.

TomDudgeon Mon 08-Apr-13 11:27:51

Joe Armstrong was in Robin Hood. The recent one with Richard Armitage

Sunnymeg Mon 08-Apr-13 11:57:09

The old lady asked Bert to make sure she was dead before they buried her. That was why he cut her wrists in front of the paying audience.

gazzalw Mon 08-Apr-13 12:09:23

Thanks for that SquirtedPerfumeUpNoseInBoots and Sunnymeg - it makes sense but not very nice for the children to witness....;-(

Ellenora5 Mon 08-Apr-13 15:49:09

I kept thinking about the washing aswell MrsRobertDuvall. I was in bed watching and thought, I loved a windy day tomorrow I would get loads dry. Maybe if I focused more on the story instead of the washing I would know what the hell is going on.

Was that not Jonas Armstrong Tom?

complexnumber Mon 08-Apr-13 16:20:02

Jonas Armstrong was Robin Hood. Joe Armstrong was Alan A Dale. That's all I can contribute to this thread as I haven't seen The Village.

Really enjoyimg this. I must be a weirdo.

Only bit that confused me was the first time all the boys gave sixpence. Why?

susiedaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 16:48:19

I found the second episode odd almost like we have missed some info on the characters from the end of the first programme,

susiedaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 16:49:29

I think all the boys gave money to see the aunts dead body.

Maryz Mon 08-Apr-13 16:59:38

I've just watched the second episode and I'm trying very hard to care.

But can't really.

It's just so slow, practically nothing happens and the things that do happen are either unlikely or unpleasant.

NuhichNuhaymuh Mon 08-Apr-13 17:02:40

I'm not sure about tge sixpence thing either. it was a lot of money the, was it to see Yoing Bert slit the old lady's wrist?

Also other things I don't understand are;

why Berts older brother didn't appear to work on the farm

Why Martha suddenly seems so intense about drnking rules, and interested in Bert

why the villagers rounded on Bert because the daughter of The House was pregnant, I mean I know that he got his wife's sister pregnant and she killed herself, but why did they care? Especially seeing the general attitude to life and respect for women isn't coming across as all that high

susiedaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 17:05:50

I couldn't understand that either, why is Martha suddenly trying to counsel bert???

KurriKurri Mon 08-Apr-13 17:12:46

I thought Martha was getting involved with counselling John because a she cares about Joe, and because she cares about Grace (all the women have a sisterhood thing going on in the bathhouse).

I think they rounded on John when odd girl got pregnant because eh was seen talking to her and grabbing hold of her, and he went to the house for slops so is a known drunkard.

PenelopePortrait Mon 08-Apr-13 17:15:21

There is something just not right about it. It's got all the ingredients to be be great but it isn't. It's hard going, mystifying and most of the characters are unlikeable. John Simm and Maxine Peake are doing their best but they've not got much in the way of a decent script to work with.

How Juliet Stevenson keeps a straight face with some of those lines I'll never know. I expected Victoria Wood to pop up at any moment.

The vicars daughter and the pub scene? What was that all about?

And the detective? what as the crime ? The dead dog?

Won't be watching again it's too much like hard work. I'd rather walk round Rochdale with a nail in my shoe.

NuhichNuhaymuh Mon 08-Apr-13 17:21:08

Oh yes Kurri, I get why they rounded on him was supposed to be because of the pregnancy, what I don't get is how come they cared to do so. it doesn't seem fitting to the rest of the attitudes that have been put across.

Am I making any sense?

KurriKurri Mon 08-Apr-13 17:31:21

Nuhich yes you are making sense smile - I guess it is because it is a daughter of the Big House, - I don't suppose anyone would care if it was a village woman. And I suppose the Big House people themselves can't believe it could be anything other than rape because, how else could she possibly have got pregnant?? grin

But having said that - the plotting is pretty woolly!

Maryz Mon 08-Apr-13 18:03:42

I don't believe they would have brought in a detective to publish the fact that she was pregnant and to find the "rapist".

In those days she would have been spirited away to have the baby in secret, surely?

And I agree about the script being pretty crap - what there is of it anyway. Most of the hour was no script at all, just meaningful glances and meaningless long stares at not much hmm

AllOverIt Mon 08-Apr-13 20:29:07

Why were the sixpences going around the first time though? Something to do with getting caned?

KurriKurri Mon 08-Apr-13 20:56:26

Maybe Old Bert is just making it all up for a laugh. grin

PenelopePortrait Mon 08-Apr-13 21:01:22

Only trouble is kurri no-ones laughing, we are all to depressed.

pooka Mon 08-Apr-13 21:03:52

Oh i watched both episodes on iplayer earlier and.... really really enjoyed it!

Waaaaaaayyy superior to downton.

Cinematic. Love John Simm and Maxine Peake. Thought the boy was great. Caro mad as mad can be. Want to know what happened to her father's face. The MP son is creepy and the younger son is going to shaft Joe now he knows he is the father, and that the methodist woman turned him down.

The first lot of sixpences was a sort of book on who could get caned the most I think. Or who could wind the twat of a teacher up the most. confused

I get the feeling joe isn't coming back though, just something in the way old bert spoke about the postcard. I could be wrong, many things don't make sense. I felt like I'd missed a couple of episodes last night, there was no obvious flow from last week.

42 episodes...................

I thought the boy was Bert and the father was John. confused

I think the crime being investigated was the alleged abuse of Caro. They were suggesting it had been going on for a long period because she was 5 months pregnant and then he was "witnessed" attacking her that day. Shes not of sound mind, so I suppose any sexual activity could be seen as rape.

susiedaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 21:29:26

Yes you're right the father is John its the younger son that's bert, god im hopeless with the names of characters!!

AnnieJumpCannon Mon 08-Apr-13 21:55:32

Caro (line?) isn't very bright. In the first episode she was mindlessly repeating the ends of her mother's sentences at the dining table during a conversation.

I wondered why John Simm tried to kill himself in full view of his own back garden if he really wanted to kill himself. Then I realised there weren't that many other trees nearby. Or maybe he wasn't thinking straight.

The bit where the wee boy cut the dead woman's wrist... but maybe he was so desperate to make some money that's what spurred him on. Also he always seemed to have the knife on him so maybe he was pretty handy with it. He handed it to his mum to cut the cord when she'd had the baby.

Why Berts older brother didn't appear to work on the farm - in the first episode Bert's older brother was the waterman at the big house, before he enlisted. Bert said in his narration that it was the beginning of Joe trying to escape the farm.

Peggy is still a total mystery confused

PseudoBadger Mon 08-Apr-13 22:06:24

I think John Simm's character's hanging was attention seeking - the ultimate woe is me. Obviously it would've been successful after a few more minutes, but if he'd really wanted to do it then surely he would've jumped off the box a bit harder and done the job.
I really like the programme. The last few minutes of this episode had me captivated, from when Bert gave the money to John, then you saw that instead of pissing it away he'd bought a cow, and then they were all so happy with the baby....

Who is Peggy?

susiedaisy Mon 08-Apr-13 22:46:42

John Simms character gives me the creeps, he is an abuser who is intimidating unpredictable and attention seeking one minute then tries to be a family man the next, good acting!!

ohthedandy Tue 09-Apr-13 09:17:44

I'm sort of enjoying it, but having to ignore a lot of stuff I really don't think makes sense - the boys having sixpence apiece, Caro not being sent away somewhere to have the baby, calling a detective (?!), Grace not having tuppence for a loaf but going to the bathhouse - surely that cost money. And would a large village/small town have a bathhouse - I thought it was all the tin bath in front of the range in those days.

I'll probably continue to watch - perhaps the new baby will herald a little more joy!

AllOverIt Tue 09-Apr-13 11:08:52

There seems to be some gaps in the storytelling and some characters need fleshing out to make sense.

sherazade Wed 10-Apr-13 10:55:45

please can someone explain to me why the villages had to face the walls when the wealthy family walked through?

I'm starting to like Martha, couldn't stand her to begin with but she is growing on me.

Ellenora5 Wed 10-Apr-13 13:33:59

sherazade, I think it's because he doesn't want anyone to see his face, he always has a scarf thing wrapped around it. Must be badly disfigured.

sherazade Wed 10-Apr-13 17:14:46

ahh ellenora5, that makes sense, thanks.

AllOverIt Wed 10-Apr-13 21:09:51

You saw how disfigured he was last episode. He came out into the hallway upstairs.

pooka Thu 11-Apr-13 09:02:35

Apparently he has hideous scarring from Zulu war.

TomDudgeon Thu 11-Apr-13 10:13:02

I'm guessing the villagers comply otherwise they'll get booted out. I really wanted someone he had no control over to refuse to turn away

Idontknowhowtohelpher Thu 11-Apr-13 14:18:57

Didn't the detective just stand and look at him?

Machli Fri 12-Apr-13 00:50:29

Well just caught up with both episodes. I am enjoying it.

Why was that maid panting and covering her mouth though confused?

The Allingham brothers look really alike don't they. The younger one was in About a boy, played Rachel Weiz's son.

diddl Fri 12-Apr-13 19:46:29

What has the guy playing the shoemaker been in-it's driving me mad!!

KurriKurri Fri 12-Apr-13 20:11:57

diddl - he has been in Red Riding, Shameless and prisoners Wives - was it any of those?

diddl Fri 12-Apr-13 21:04:42

Never seen any of those, no!!

diddl Fri 12-Apr-13 21:12:17

He's been in a couple of things that I've watched-Life on Mars & Spooks, but I don't think as a main character in either & I thought I'd seen him quite a few times iyswim.

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

I was also wondering why the villagers cared so much about John supposedly raping the daughter from the "big house"?

Maybe they knew about his SIL?

Or because the girl was not "quite right"?

girliefriend Sun 14-Apr-13 21:42:27

Anyone watching tonight? I am confused, where is her baby? And how is the rich girls baby 6 months old already?!!

difficultpickle Sun 14-Apr-13 21:45:49

I'm thoroughly confused.

Is the big house the same house as the one used in the Secret of Crickley Hall that was on last year?

girliefriend Sun 14-Apr-13 21:48:53

I am confused and even more confused

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 14-Apr-13 21:52:26

I am properly crying at them taking Caro's baby.

girliefriend Sun 14-Apr-13 21:56:08

I am not quite believing the teacher being an objector...

Who did they give her baby to? Was it just a random couple?

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 14-Apr-13 22:00:32

Looks like it. Bastards.

notahappycamper Sun 14-Apr-13 22:10:57

I am lost confused

louisianablue2000 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:11:30

I really like tonight's episode, it's obviously growing on me. Can't believe they gave the baby away after all these months, it would have been kinder to do it at birth surely?

Ellenora5 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:13:55

Ah here, I'm close to giving up, can't get to grips with it at all, why did they give the baby away, why was the horse in the pub, why why why am I still watching this programme.

See you next week people blush

difficultpickle Sun 14-Apr-13 22:15:15

I've answered my own question - it is.

Clawdy Sun 14-Apr-13 22:29:19

The horse was in the pub so the army couldn't take it for their own use - which they were allowed to do. Baby given away because they deemed it impossible to keep an illegitimate child,I imagine,though I do wonder why they didn't do it soon after birth as was usual. sad

Inncogneetow Sun 14-Apr-13 22:52:32

Yes Bisjo: both programmes were filmed near where do grew up.
I'm enjoying The Village, apart from his regular interjections: "Ooh look, it's so-and-so" hmm
I don't know these places or care and was too busy sobbing tonight.

Inncogneetow Sun 14-Apr-13 22:52:52


GypsyFloss Sun 14-Apr-13 22:53:11

This has grown on me. I thought tonight was fab. When Joe turned up unexpectedly I cried. When they read the death by firing squad notice I cried even more. And as for the wiggley line as code for going over the top...It was all so brutal for those poor young lads.
Thanks heavens for the horse in the pub...I needed a bit of cheering up by then smile

NuhichNuhaymuh Sun 14-Apr-13 23:25:14

I'm averting my eyes as I didn't see tonight. Is it repeated (in Ireland so can't use iPlayer) just come back from 5 hour stint in a&e with ds1 to discover The Village didn't record

diddl Mon 15-Apr-13 06:45:10

The baby thing was weird, wasn't it?

How well known was it that she's not "quite right"?

I don't really get why Joe had sex with her-because he was going away, didn't realise she could get pregnant?

gazzalw Mon 15-Apr-13 07:06:17

It was more of a case of Caro coming on to him I would have said. He didn't seem particularly bothered about the baby, did he?

Why couldn't the teacher go to prison? I had no idea that conscientious objection was not always accepted and that a man could be shot for cowardice/deserting without so much as leaving his village. That was doubly sad as he was such a lovely guy too....

diddl Mon 15-Apr-13 08:54:12

Oh i agree-but I was hoping he would refuse her!

Perhaps it didn't occur to him that it was his baby?

I thought that if you objected & it wasn't accepted, you could be given a non combatant role.

It would be hard I think in such a place, where young men have "voluntarily" gone off because they can't get work & their family can't afford to feed them, & then to see an older man resisting it.

When so many did just accept it & go, I can see why it would be hard to have your objection accepted.

Why hasn't the horrible bastard oldest son from "the big house" been called up?

And got exception for his brother-yet he can sit in judgement of others!!

gazzalw Mon 15-Apr-13 09:27:28

Well let's hope the 'big house' older brother, at least, gets his comeuppance at some point. The younger one is rather weak but essentially not a bad person, is he?

You are probably right that Joe didn't 'twig' that the baby is his. I'm pretty sure that at some point, further down the line, Caro's baby is going to resurface, unbeknownst to the Middletons and the 'big house' family.

I think maybe the baby was given away because Caro didn't seem to be bonding with her, rather than necessarily because of the stigma associated with the illegitimacy of the birth. As you've pointed out, upthread, if it was to do with the stigma, you would have expected them to have given the baby away at birth....

Yes, I guess the Authorities would have had to make an example of upstanding members of the community (as teachers would have been) not doing their duty. Leading by example and all that.... Still, I thought I was quite au fait with WW1 History and it shocked me that someone could be denied conscientious objector status and be court-marshalled and executed for defying call-up without so much as leaving Britain....

diddl Mon 15-Apr-13 09:47:53

I'm also thinking though-if this is supposed to be Bert's memories-how does he know about what went on at the "Big House"-when he wasn't there??!!

So that's how they g"get away" with stuff-it's what he's heard & embelished over the years!!

diddl Mon 15-Apr-13 09:50:28

Oh & the guy with the shoe factory-saw a guy out jogging yesterday looks just like him!!

His youngest was at kindergarten with mine-think that may have been who I was thinking of when I said he looked familiarblushgrin

Finallygotaroundtoit Mon 15-Apr-13 14:17:40

I've come on to see if it's worth watching last nights recorded episode.

The grimness and confusion was putting me off. Looks like it's a no.

Guessing that babies would be left with mum to breastfeed (no formula) and only removed when either they started weaning or it was clear that both would actually survive the early months sad

HumpheadWrasse Mon 15-Apr-13 14:28:13

Just caught up with the latest episode. I think it's wonderful so far, really enjoying watching.
The baby stayed with Caro til he was weaned, we saw her feeding him near the beginning, a counterpoint to Grace who wasn't allowed to feed her baby.
I thought the teacher wasn't court-martialled/shot, that was just scare tactics?

alemci Mon 15-Apr-13 15:03:23

did the calvary officers try to get the dairy from taking the Middletons' milk so that the army could have the horse. I thought the milk was ok in the end?

Also Grace's baby didn't seem to be around. did he/she die as there was no evidence of a crying in the house etc.

BanoffeeSplitz Mon 15-Apr-13 15:13:04

I came on here to find out if the teacher had been shot or not - I couldn't work it out. I thought he was going to be, then after the scene with Bert & the camera I wasn't sure.

I didn't understand the bit about the garlic blush - I get that it would taint the milk, but were they trying to grub it up by the roots overnight? How would that work, surely the cows had already eaten it?

diddl Mon 15-Apr-13 15:13:24

She took the baby to be looked after whilst she worked at the factory.

Character played by Anabelle someone whose son joined up with Joe-asked Agnes to marry him as he was leaving, but was killed.

I thought they weren't going to shoot him confused

He said the name of someone condemned to be shot and them said it happened confused

So I was left with the impression they were just taking him to war

gazzalw Mon 15-Apr-13 16:08:44

Don't take my word for it - I was watching it in bed.... Might need to rewatch the last five/ten minutes of it again.

GypsyFloss Mon 15-Apr-13 22:46:45

I think they said the name of someone else to threaten him but took him to war.

Not sure about Caro's baby tbh. Would have thought she'd have had a wet nurse and that's why the sight of her trying to feed the baby prompted the mother and son to do something about the situation?

That pair looked very cosy when they were talking about her...I wonder if the father of the child is really Joe or someone closer to home?

I also wondered why the father (John Simm ) is now being nice to younger it cos their money worries are a tiny bit easier?

There's definitely loads of gaps to fill in .

gazzalw Tue 16-Apr-13 07:35:01

Maybe Caro was 'known' around the village? If she was so bold with Joe then chances are that she could have been bold with others too!???

Joe didn't seem to 'click' that he could have been the father of the baby, did he?

Well I hope the schoolteacher wasn't about to be shot....

Maybe we just saw the Father in a depressed/worried state in the first couple of episodes and now he's come out of it? The whole atmosphere in the farmhouse seems to have changed since the birth of the baby, don't you think?

diddl Tue 16-Apr-13 08:55:10

Well I guess that Grace bringing in a regular wage is a help.

Plus they sold some land & bought a cow.

And yes with Caro-maybe he thought he wasn't the first, or that he was & it couldn't happen the first time!

But she seemed clued up enough to know that it was his...

louisianablue2000 Thu 18-Apr-13 19:30:37

in the first world war the concept of conscientious objection was new and they were treated terribly. There's a good discription of what happened to a specific group of COs here

louisianablue2000 Thu 18-Apr-13 19:37:42

WRT Caro BFing until the baby was old enough to wean, that wasn't what happened. There were milk substitutes about, they were very dangerous for poor babies (the death stats for Foundling Hospitals are shocking) but if you were rich they weren't too bad because the correct procedures (sterilisation etc) were more likely to be followed, and by this point in history wet nursing was a no-no because rich parents were worried about disease.

PenelopePortrait Sun 21-Apr-13 21:04:50

Right. Missed last week due to hols. Didn't want to waste an hour of my life watching it on I player.

DM says last week was better, so am trying again.

Here goes :-)

nellyjelly Sun 21-Apr-13 21:08:25

Oh shit the baby is ill. Can I bear 60 mins of this?

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:11:47

Doesn't anything go right for that family??

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:13:16

What is that he's giving the child?

girliefriend Sun 21-Apr-13 21:14:16

Now whats going on? confused

nellyjelly Sun 21-Apr-13 21:16:29

Wtf happened to that cow?

PenelopePortrait Sun 21-Apr-13 21:17:03

What's happened in that barn? Don't say John Sim is going to get he blame?

Why is nothing bloody explained properly??

PenelopePortrait Sun 21-Apr-13 21:20:18

Did they not have an proper Chrimes to investigate in those days?

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:20:19

I think we're all just a bit dim grin

He is a very unappealing character.

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:22:07

OMG the posh girl's doctor is horrible...

Mrsrobertduvall Sun 21-Apr-13 21:24:47

Is That Tim from Corrie?

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:26:08

Oh its Tim from Corrie.

And that's surely Alun Armstrong's boy?

<it all finally clicks>

girliefriend Sun 21-Apr-13 21:26:22

grin at Bessie!! I think you must be right!!

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:26:29

x posts, ah ha!

girliefriend Sun 21-Apr-13 21:27:44

Did he stab the cow? Why would he do that?!

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:29:16

This is so bleak..

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:31:23

Have we even got as far as the injurious guilt-inducing wheelbarrow race yet?

God this is so depressing.

Ok. I am giving up and turning over.

RhondaJean Sun 21-Apr-13 21:35:58

Remind me who Tim was in corrie...

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:36:10

He has got the same nose as Alun Armstrong

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:36:44

Was Tim the doctor or the factory owner's son?

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:39:41

Tim in Corrie is Faye's real dad who has turned up. Faye is Anna's adopted daughter (Anna who lives with Owen The Builder).

That is definitely a young Alun Armstrong. Eyes, voice, cadence.

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:41:11

Tim from Corrie seems to be playing a farmer in this.

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 21-Apr-13 21:42:38

Can someone tell me what's going on! Am refusing to watch after being upset by it last week, but would quite like to know what happens.

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 21:43:54

I'm so confused - I'm watching it a bit behind - what did John take from barn and who killed the cow?

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:45:28

Why the fuck am I still watching it?

Aaahh! angry

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:46:53

Here's the distressing scene they warned us about. Awful.

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:47:02

John took the cow medicine for his sick daughter?

Here comes Doctor Monster.

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:47:19

Fucking hell, that's disgusting

holidaysdistantmemory Sun 21-Apr-13 21:48:01

That's it, have invested enough time in this, its dire and insulting to call this entertainment. Don't care about any of the characters enough to want to see what happens. Turned off.

RhondaJean Sun 21-Apr-13 21:48:38

Ooh is he called Tim?

I left the room - why are they force feeding Caro?

RhondaJean Sun 21-Apr-13 21:50:01

What did he just do????

RhondaJean Sun 21-Apr-13 21:50:20


LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:50:41

No he's not called Tim in this.

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:51:17

What is that doctor bloody well up to?

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:51:40

I think he was taking off his belt hmm

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 21:52:22

Argh I've missed bits and am about 1/2 hour behind. Caro has just been laid down by the horrible doctor.


AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:52:56

It's like they've written it to be as bloody depressing as possible rather than to keep us hooked into the story.

Losing the will to live....

RhondaJean Sun 21-Apr-13 21:53:23

Sorry I meant I didn't realise he was called Tim in corrie.

Yes I thought it was th belt coming off.

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:54:23

The boy is dead cute though

difficultpickle Sun 21-Apr-13 21:54:53

I'm not watching this week as I was rather put off by the thought of an upsetting scene in an already depressing story. What was the upsetting scene?

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:55:21

Oh my fucking god. Not the cows.

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:56:54

allocerit I was thinking the same thing - what a sweet little boy

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:57:03

Um. Take your pick. Cows slaughtered, force feeding girl who is refusing food, doctor raping patient (we're led to believe)


Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 21:57:32

Sorry I meant alloverit

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:57:43

The upsetting scenes seems to be the forcefeeding of a young woman and some coy allusions to her rape by her doctor. All in the name of entertainment.

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:58:06

Now a list of the Somme dead gone up...

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:59:01

And a suicide...

difficultpickle Sun 21-Apr-13 21:59:24

Glad I've given it a miss.

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 21:59:36

Bloke just blew his brains out.

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:00:01

But Joe's back so happy ever after...

RhondaJean Sun 21-Apr-13 22:00:20

Why did he shoot himself?


Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:01:03

Another 2 years of the war though if that was the battle of the somme

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:02:14

Yes. Two more years of FUN for The Village... * sigh *

couldwinterstopnowplease Sun 21-Apr-13 22:02:29

Wow that was cheery.

I don't understand - I thought she had read that Joe was one of the dead on the list but then he was shown walking home?

Young Bert is an amazing actor isn't he?

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 22:04:38

I think Maxine was showing ambiguous emotion, showing off her lovely acting in the face of the actual script.

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:04:51

No he wasn't on there.

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 21-Apr-13 22:05:54

Who shot himself? Are the two teachers who went to war still alive? Was it Caro being force fed?

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 21-Apr-13 22:05:55

I certainly feel uplifted after watching that!!

Glad to be me and now!

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:06:04

Young Bert is awsome. I'm watching just for him really.

I must be mad...

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:06:41

AWESOME. Fricking autocorrect

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:08:08

Posh dad with scarred face shot all the cows then himself

Caro was force fed

No idea about the teachers. Let's hope nasty bastard stays in France

louisianablue2000 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:10:21

Wasn't Joe walking home in a dream sequence as he died at the Somme? Surely he would have been cleaned up a bit before he came home? Very depressing this week after last week being not so bad. But oh so beautifully shot and I like the gaps in the story telling, that more like real life isn't it, sometimes we don't know why things have happened.

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 21-Apr-13 22:10:28

Thanks AllOverIt. I predict Nasty Badtard will live and be even nastier. Lovely teacher will die rather than raise a gun to defend himself (or be shot for cowardice).

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 21-Apr-13 22:11:14

Sorry for that typo, obviously meant to say bastard but got fat fingers.

Man with scaring killed himself after killing loads of cows - not sure why.

Don't know what happened to the short horrible teacher, nice teacher already dead - got shot for being a conscientious objector last week I thought.

Caro was force fed and possibly raped, probably had a condition called 'hysteria'.

I'm still not sure what happened to the first cow - was that the scarf man too?

optionalExtras Sun 21-Apr-13 22:12:55

I am baffled by its minimalism.

So who stabbed the cow? Why did the old guy shoot the other cows?

I'm only watching for the fabulous young Bert too...

What do they do with the babies when they go for their baths?

optionalExtras Sun 21-Apr-13 22:14:35

Don't think nice teacher was shot, I think he went to prison maybe?

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:17:27

The ending is ambiguous. Just re-watched it. His name isn't on the list, I don't think.

It goes to slow motion as Joe's walking to the farm and then fades to back. Could signify death... Maybe...

They read him a thing that said about being shot for not obeying then made him get dressed in uniform so I took it as either got shot for cowardice/not obeying or thy made him go to war

wasuup3000 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:18:36

Anyone would need anti depressant medication prior to watching this....need to see if that funny itv programme on at 7.30pm is anywhere on itv player for a bit of light entertainment now before bed!!

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:18:51

Yes, think he was shot, but wanted to walk by himself so the kids didn't see him being escorted.

Allfurcoatandnoknickers Sun 21-Apr-13 22:18:54

I wondered if Joe was dead too, and muddy walk home was a dream like sequence referring to the Somme....??

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 21-Apr-13 22:19:10

No, nice teacher was forced into conscription. They made out they were going to shoot him to scare him, and said that would be what happened if he didn't obey. He refused to obey, young soldier punched him. Forced him to do as he was told. Can't help but think he was maybe a former pupil - for a split second it looked like he was scared for the teacher and was actually forcing him to do as he was told in order to save his life.

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Sun 21-Apr-13 22:20:29

Ok, I'm doubting myself now...

mrswimpeydimple Sun 21-Apr-13 22:21:19

Nice teacher was sentanced to firing squad last week. I thought it was farmer Tim that did the first cow. Not a clue what's going on with hidden face man and was properly confused with Joe scene at the end after his mum's reaction. I like ut but more for the history than the entertainment.

I wondered about joe because it went all dream like and then silent?

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:22:41

Nice teacher didn't look to me like he was going to firing squad. I thought he was just being forced into conscription

Allfurcoatandnoknickers Sun 21-Apr-13 22:23:26

I think it was farmer Tim who did the first cow. Scarf man was orf his rocker as they say in the big house

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 22:24:44

It says on Wiki that Joe comes home briefly.

They did say something about firing squad a dawn but with reference to major someone who disobeyed so ambiguous as to whether he got shot or not I think.
I have to say the Wheelbarrow race with the old man randomly interjected gurning scene did make me laugh. V expressive face...

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 22:25:28

(Reduced to Wiki ffs.)

storynanny Sun 21-Apr-13 22:25:57

What was all the cow stuff about and why is dad in prison? I had a phone call half way through so have totally lost the plot.

Why would farmer Tim kill the first cow?
I thought it had a bad birth at firs as looked like something bloody comin out its bum but it was gashed?

Line runner - is that episode specific because he came home briefly last week

Story - we're not sure either and we watched the whole thing!

LineRunner Sun 21-Apr-13 22:28:23

Bloody Wiki.

optionalExtras Sun 21-Apr-13 22:28:52

Dad is in prison because someone stabbed one of the cows (in the udder, they said) on the same night that he stole the medicine from the cowshed.

No idea why old scarred guy had it in for the cows. Or himself.

Clawdy Sun 21-Apr-13 22:29:16

I assumed the scarred one has done for all the cows and it will be realized Bert's dad is innocent. Joe is home on leave,but looks very's gripping but there are too many unfeasibly nasty people in that village,even the church craft woman!

GypsyFloss Sun 21-Apr-13 22:29:32

I agree that the teacher was forced to war rather than shot.

Tonight was very grim. Only Bert's huge brown eyes saved it for me ...and even that is spoiled a bit by old Bert having blue eyes, as pointed out upthread grin

AllOverIt Sun 21-Apr-13 22:30:54

And his eyelashes. Don't forget the eye lashes....

GypsyFloss Sun 21-Apr-13 22:31:27

Yeah, big cow eyes smile

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 22:33:57

Young Bert has eyes just like my dd. He's a brilliant actor.

I thought Joe had survived by his mums reaction - I couldn't see on the sign because she read the second row from Mu_ onwards but I presumed shed already checked the first row and not found him.

Don't know why it faded to black and silence though...

I quite fancy Joe after this and my mad fat diary even though he is v young

He does have beautiful eyes.

GypsyFloss Sun 21-Apr-13 22:37:18

I'm also not quite getting John's quick conversion nor the minister's daughter spending so much time alone with him. Would that have been acceptable?
When he was praying in the cell it made me think of him as The Master...slightly manic and fervent .

racmun Sun 21-Apr-13 22:39:44

I reckon the list didn't mention Joe so his mum think all is well.
But I wonder if he has been killed on the battlefield and the shot of him walking home and fading away is what he dreams of in his dying moments. He looked all covered in mud and grey also he didn't have any bags with him like last time he came home.

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:40:21

beawheesht I think he was also Newt in Hollyoaks, if that cures your crush...

Casualty Sun 21-Apr-13 22:45:13

With this programme if you turn away even for just 5 seconds you lose track of what is happening.

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 22:50:49

Bessie - I know but I fell in love with him in my mad fat diary and struggling to forget that!

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 22:51:31

Am off to wiki him and hope he's older than I think....

Still18atheart Sun 21-Apr-13 22:51:45

I'm a little confused. Why does that women have something against Margaret?

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:52:05

<whispers> you know it is pretend though?


I really liked my mad fat diary, too

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 22:53:05

He was born in 1991! I am almost old enough to be his mother <scary>

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 22:53:18

Bollocks - he's 10 years younger than me! I must stress he is not my usual type at all!

I'm amazed at how quickly Mary improved from scarlet fever - just with one droplet of medication?

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 22:54:43

Also why are the ministers daughter and the horrible church craft woman so alike? I struggle to tell them apart!

smokinaces Sun 21-Apr-13 22:59:20

No he cant have been Newt from Hollyoaks!! Hes quite fanciable now!!

I agree about him dying. I rewound it on Sky+ to watch again - hes clearly got blood on his jacket etc, and the fading to black and silence makes me think he died and that was his last walk home in his head.

Old scared man is George/Cora's father. George was excused from going to war because he was a "dairy farmer". I think he killed the dairy because he was ashamed of his son not going to war - by killing them all, there is no excuse for George now and he wont shame the family name.

smokinaces Sun 21-Apr-13 22:59:58

should be a question in there - old scarred man is George/Coras father/grandfather isnt he? Silly fingers

staticlunge Sun 21-Apr-13 23:01:34

Think Joe has died sad

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 23:04:50

Well wiki says he hasn't but who knows

Bessie123 Sun 21-Apr-13 23:07:09

I didn't get that Joe had died. I thought he had just come home on leave.

BeaWheesht Sun 21-Apr-13 23:11:28

Joe hasn't died see here bbc link

Ah yes George's (name?) exemption is that he's a farmer!

Still18atheart Sun 21-Apr-13 23:33:46

Yep he was Newt in Hollyoaks, he was this emo kid then he had a massive makeover and suddenly became really hot then left soon after, from what I can remember.