16 kids and counting tonight at 9

(285 Posts)
giraffesCantDateDucks Tue 05-Mar-13 19:15:19

I will be watching after I have done some work!

TwllBach Tue 05-Mar-13 19:20:53

What channel? Is it a repeat? I love these programmes grin

I'm in.

How does your fanjo survive 16 births?!

Disclaimer: just had DS2 on Sunday so sore fanjos on my mind...

splendid. I need some chill out tv smile

giraffesCantDateDucks Tue 05-Mar-13 19:36:49

4 I think

TwllBach Tue 05-Mar-13 20:03:25

Yaaaaaaay grin

I love this programme.

blackice Tue 05-Mar-13 21:26:19

I am finding this really sad. sad

MajaBiene Tue 05-Mar-13 21:28:33

The mother of the Salim family doesn't seem that keen on having so many kids.

DyeInTheEar Tue 05-Mar-13 21:30:45

The mother Sue talks about the hassle of doing a daily shop and how easy families of 3 kids have it like she had no choice in the matter....

Though she is far more chilled out than me and I've only got 3.

makingdoo Tue 05-Mar-13 21:31:40

Oh my god. I could not cope with that!

everlong Tue 05-Mar-13 21:32:24

Why? How can anyone cope with 16 children?

Crazy.

ggirl Tue 05-Mar-13 21:32:39

blimey why have I never seen this program before

sorry but mohammed is mad wanting more kids and not having a job

No the salim family don't seem as organised as the radfords.
Obviously both must be chaotic at times but I think their showing the radfords in a better light.

Why does she need 22 Godparents? Can they not have the same ones? hmm

ggirl Tue 05-Mar-13 21:34:52

you would need to run it like an army to keep sane

chubbychipmonk Tue 05-Mar-13 21:35:07

Why would any sane person want to inflict so much stress/hassle/poverty/worry upon tthemselves by having 16 children??!!! I'm stressed out just watching!

chubbychipmonk Tue 05-Mar-13 21:36:47

I thought that too Fatima? Didn't get why they all needed different Godparents?

FairyArmadillo Tue 05-Mar-13 21:37:06

Am watching this for the first time. I couldn't cope! If I were Sue I'd have gone mad by now.

Am baffled that Mohammed wants more kids when neither of them work!

DyeInTheEar Tue 05-Mar-13 21:40:59

The eldest two Radford girls are lovely.

Her pelvic floor though.....

That's not a two seater, you can see the back seats grin

ggirl Tue 05-Mar-13 21:41:39

mohammed is loving the camera

He's quite annoying

Did anyone see the 6 bed bunk beds? What a brilliant idea!

Feeling sad for the Salim family, Mohammed is obviously quite controlling and bloody lazy. Nearly in tears here watching his Wife crying telling him to get a job. sad

MajaBiene Tue 05-Mar-13 21:45:28

His poor wife sad Can you imagine being married off to him at 16 and ending up stuck in a crappy house with all those kids and him refusing to work.

DyeInTheEar Tue 05-Mar-13 21:46:07

This is awkward.

Yotamsrazor Tue 05-Mar-13 21:46:09

Feel so sorry for Mohammed's wife - Noreen is it? She looks bloody shattered and wants to live differently and he is totally resistant. Agree, he does come across as annoying. She's just said her heart is breaking sad

Notalone Tue 05-Mar-13 21:46:37

OMG - how cringey is that hotel guy. And I NEVER usually cringe blush

MissMogwi Tue 05-Mar-13 21:46:45

Hotel man just made me cringe. confused

MissMogwi Tue 05-Mar-13 21:47:07

grin X post

RedPencils Tue 05-Mar-13 21:47:14

That mess must be so depressing. I'm not fussy about tidiness at all but that is something else. It's chaos.

MajaBiene Tue 05-Mar-13 21:47:17

I had to turn over.

I think I would get secretly sterilised if I were her but it might be down to editing?

Does the older son of the radfords not want to be a part of the programme?

Has the eldest boy moved out? I haven't seen him.
The eldest two girls are lovely

everlong Tue 05-Mar-13 21:49:44

The mess, the noise.
Not fair on anyone, including the kids.

I agree about the mess. I really am not the tidiest person but that is pretty horrid and dirty.

Hotel guy was really cringey! I also can't believe they didn't accept the condom! shock

makingdoo Tue 05-Mar-13 21:50:35

Feel so sorry for Mohammad's wife. She's so obviously overwhelmed.

The other family seem to cope quite well and have a good system. The dad seems so proactive. They need to do a Dad Swap for a week so he can sort out that cluttered house!

chubbychipmonk Tue 05-Mar-13 21:51:43

A phd & 7 degrees???????? Maybe he should start philosophising about the wonders of contraception!

blackice Tue 05-Mar-13 21:52:39

I would be surprised if the Salim children aren't taken into care following this programme being broadcast. That is neglect.

Flumpyflumps Tue 05-Mar-13 21:53:05

Eewww! Hotel dude with the condom, I'll remove this, what the actual???!! Cringey cringey cringey!
Noreen was on,y 16 when she was married off to this knob, 11 kids and so much stuff crammed into that house, fell awful for her.

Yotamsrazor Tue 05-Mar-13 21:54:02

Yes, wouldn't it be interesting to do a husband swap!!!!!!

I would be pretty shocked if they weren't taken into care as well, especially as he comes across so controlling and it almost seems like his Wife is being forced to have more kids.

16 kids and counting Dad swap would be brilliant.

MajaBiene Tue 05-Mar-13 21:55:04

blackice, that is nowhere near the threshold for taking kids into care.

Why does the Radford mum iron every day? I can't remember the last time I ironed anything and I only have one kid.

DyeInTheEar Tue 05-Mar-13 21:55:15

Can you really parent that many DCs or is it just crowd control?

Flumpyflumps Tue 05-Mar-13 21:55:34

Mrs Salim looks really downtrodden , he looks like he wants all the fun and none of the work.

RedPencils Tue 05-Mar-13 21:55:43

Yes to a dad swap. He obviously loves all his children but he needs a bit of whipping into shape.

smellysocksandchickenpox Tue 05-Mar-13 21:55:53

yer woman from the radfords seems to me like she's hoping to be a kerry catona / katie price type career reality show person, it all comes across very rehersed with her

other family - sad

hotel guy - you couldn't use those "sexy" things after having him reading them out to you could you?

I think the Radford family can parent, I don't think the Salim family can.

Did you see how depressed she looked when he started saying how they wanted more kids? This is heart breaking.

ggirl Tue 05-Mar-13 21:57:11

it's not bad enough for the kids to be taken into care !

Lol at kids going to care .. It might not be what you would think is good but the kids aren't neglected!

RedPencils Tue 05-Mar-13 21:57:41

Dear Radford mum, chuck your iron away and put your feet up more
Yours red.

smellysocksandchickenpox Tue 05-Mar-13 21:57:46

what's the point in the old ones being the young one's GPs? they're already their big sisters?

Notalone Tue 05-Mar-13 21:57:48

grin MissMogwi

Mr Salim is a bit of a characature to me and is very likely playing up to the camera. I don't doubt he loves his kids but he is doing them a huge dis-service if he persuades his wife to have anymore. His wife just looks broken and it is obvious who does the bulk of the work in that house

ggirl Tue 05-Mar-13 21:58:27

MajaBiene totally agree about the ironing..madness

kansasmum Tue 05-Mar-13 21:59:07

I feel so sorry for Mohammed's wife. His 'wealth is his children' - just as well since he doesn't work. If he's not working you think he could sort out the house and try and organise stuff better.
Have respect for the Radfords though - she seems super organised and her and her hubby work as a team.
3 is enough for me!

sneezingwakesthebaby Tue 05-Mar-13 21:59:09

The Salim house is so messy and cluttered. I feel sad for them all. Its irritating me to watch them so I wonder how it feels to have that life all the time. The dad has bugged me too whining about applying for loads of jobs but not working for seven years. He was using a standardised letter with the job title scribbled on the top. He could try way harder. Lazy lazy lazy.

smellysocksandchickenpox Tue 05-Mar-13 22:00:28

didn't see the taken into care post on first glance - seriously? the mum looks very unhappy, and the dad is a bit of a twat, and it is a bit grim.. but no, not neglect

Shakey1500 Tue 05-Mar-13 22:01:45

I doubt very much that Mr Salim is as involved as he's making out in front of the cameras. I'll hoik my judgey- non evidence based- opinion knickers that he sits on his arse while his wife does everything.

cerealqueen Tue 05-Mar-13 22:02:57

16 kids and she writes a blog too.. faints

blackice Tue 05-Mar-13 22:03:52

Glad you think it's funny, JazzAnnNonMouse. hmm
Child neglect is not meeting a child's basic needs.
Those children are not having their most basic needs met.

smellysocksandchickenpox Tue 05-Mar-13 22:05:12

the radfords if very production line -ish, which it would have to be I guess, but there's no room to parent an individual on a production line, it's raising kids by numbers which doesn't sit right with me because my two are so different that totally different approaches were needed. One size fits all isn't really my idea of parenting

MajaBiene Tue 05-Mar-13 22:05:42

They're fed, housed, clothed and seem to be loved - that's there basic needs. It's messy, cramped and not ideal, but it's not neglectful.

He's been on something before - was it the Fairy Jobmother or something like that?

MollyNollyNoo Tue 05-Mar-13 22:13:26

The Salim family have been on t.v before (2008 a program called 13 kids and wanting more), I had to google to find the program but I remember watching it then and a health professional visiting the house told Mr Salim that the number of DC's that his wife had had was putting a strain on her body, he disagreed and said that the more she has, the more her body gets used to it.

SirBoobAlot Tue 05-Mar-13 22:14:35

Felt so so sad for Mrs S. She looks utterly depressed. Kind of wanted to give her a hug.

The Radfords came across very organised, though I haven't forgotten him taking the door handle off last time to lock the kids in at night...

Agree that the two opposites were obviously being played against each other. The racist insults have already started on a friend's FB status about it.

ScottyDoc Tue 05-Mar-13 22:21:19

Just watched it and was very upset by the Salim family's environment. My Pakistani Muslim friends would be pretty embarrassed by this , because it gives the daily wail and its army of readers even more cause for venom. To be 16 and then married off to a guy you don't really know and then to bear children constantly makes me feel ill. It's definitely not Islamic as my own friends tell me but a cultural expectation depending on what sort of family you marry into. I'm just so sad at her having no other life than that.

munchkinmaster Tue 05-Mar-13 22:22:12

I think mrs saleem may have secretly taken control of the birth control issue given the youngest is 5.

As for him? If he has 7 degrees he has probably never had a job. But to me he didn't seem bright enough to have all those qualifications. Childlike and a bit wierd. As someone mentioned above he is prob puting all the crazy involved dad stuff on for the cameras so that might account for how he comes across.

The Radfords do seem very on top of things.

But do they really know each of their kids?

Blackrice - yes they are having their basic needs met. I laughed at the suggestion of neglect.
I don't agree that they're having the best upbringing possible but it's certainly not neglect!

If he has 7 degrees he probably has a lot of tuition fee debt?

It would have to be a fairly well paid job before it became financially worth loosing the extra pair of hands around the home I guess?
Although I think what has been suggested above is probably true, I don't think he normally does as much as he makes out on camera.

smellysocksandchickenpox Tue 05-Mar-13 22:48:51

he did think that he was on the MrSalim show and this weeks program was brought to you by the letter MrSalim and the number MrSalim... he's not as good at the old reality show celeb game as Mrs Radford

A lot of academics aren't bright at all outside of their particular speciality subject

Zara1984 Tue 05-Mar-13 22:50:18

Salim family made me really sad sad the poor mum. AIBU to think it's exploitative of Channel 4 to essentially egg on a man who appears to be subtly abusing his wife?

Radfords seem organised but it's sort of, I don't know, like benign neglect to have that many children? It made me sad to see the two babies crying and not being really attended to because they had over a dozen other voices competing for attention...!

I live in Ireland and know a few ppl who come from big families (ranging from 6-14 children). To be perfectly honest, the bigger the family, the less close they seem to be. Like they all rub along together, but there are no deep relationships IYSWIM?

I remember hearing on the radio here a mum talking about her 12 children! She said when anyone asked if she and her husband would practice family planning, her DH said "ah now, you don't muzzle a good dog!" I don't know whether it was her or the DH that was meant to be the dog in that metaphor confused

Very grateful for my ONE baby. Very glad that DH and I agreed this week we will only have one more child max...!

Bakingnovice Tue 05-Mar-13 22:56:15

Very interesting juxtaposition of the two families. Channel 4 are very clever. The difference in marital relationships, wealth, size of home, organisation, attitudes was eye opening. Nearly wept with mes S and for those kids. But then the radcliffes seem v v rehearsed in a bizarre way. Mr S will be massively criticised for being on benefits but the poverty in that family is apparent.

The Salims house!! Bloody hell. My Muslim friends have really spotless houses and will probably be really embarrassed by this family. I can't help feeling that the Salims have been a little exploited on the show. Mr S obviously wants to be there but not so sure about poor mrs S.

pigletmania Tue 05-Mar-13 22:58:57

Very selfish of the Radfords, tey are addicted. Tey should think of the children they have now, their children sound more sensible than they are

pigletmania Tue 05-Mar-13 23:02:26

Just watching the salims now, shock, what a life, no thanks. He should work to support his children and put a knot in it

ScottyDoc Tue 05-Mar-13 23:07:06

I have seen two particularly large families and I have to say, it's not all chilled fun Walton type stuff much of the time. I don't agree (whatever anyone's opinion or reasons are) to have ridiculously large families. Was having a convo with a midwife the other day about the severe risks of haemorrhage after having so many kids. From what I've seen with larger families, it's usually pressure from one to have loads, due to some psychological reason, people using religion wrongly to justify a woman bearing babies constantly, or both parents that aren't too bothered and just keep popping them out regardless of the real issues in it. The families I've seen have had a ton of problems, mostly financial and housing wise, but the kids seem to be screaming for attention in more ways than one.

SashaSashays Tue 05-Mar-13 23:41:22

That is definitely not neglect and those kids would not need to be taken into care, they're just a bit messy FFS.

Radfords seem happy enough as do the Salims although I think his lack of work is irresponsible but I suppose to some extent he's had the last laugh. I do wonder if the Radfords will eventually run themselves into the ground. In say 10 or 15 years I wonder about the state of Sues health.

Every time I watch these shows it just makes me want more DC, we only have 5, but since our first grandson was born we had agreed against it but must say I'm tempted.

DH is from a similarly large family, not 16 but in double figures and I'm from a family larger than my own. It's just normal for us. Lots of people ask the question about attention but I don't think either of us felt ignored, both our families are really close, especially all to our parents.

expatinscotland Tue 05-Mar-13 23:41:53

I worked with a woman from a polygamous family. She and her husband had both escaped polygamy and had one daughter and considered their family complete.

She was one of 10 by her mother; he was one of 12.

She put it best: it's a disgrace to have more children then you can have time for.

pigletmania Tue 05-Mar-13 23:55:09

That's right expat, I remember the first programme the Radfords appeared on, I recall one if the boys saying that nobody would notice if he left home, how sad. Their kids really did not want their are ts to have more kids, seemed tried with it all. The parents should do what's best for their existing kids, and stop being dame selfish

pigletmania Tue 05-Mar-13 23:56:35

Mr Radfords said at the end that tey would keep on having kids, stupid man tie a knot in it

SomeBear Wed 06-Mar-13 00:07:51

I've watched some of it with my 12 year old. She wanted to know what would happen when they get the usual winter bugs. I've thought about it and with this many children, it can't take much to tip the balance between managed chaos and total anarchy.

It was an interesting programme, made me wonder how I found having 3 such a problem!

lollilou Wed 06-Mar-13 09:49:50

I think they said last night that the Salim have about £600 a week in benefits. He would have to have a very good job to earn that much wouldn't he? (Not bashing them just an observation.)
I felt sorry for the Salims the house was in chaos and the poor wife.
I could never have that many children and although the other family looked well cared for I think the lack of individual attention cannot be good for at least some of them. I had that in my childhood and we were only 4!

everlong Wed 06-Mar-13 09:59:20

I don't get it.

Why would you keep having baby after baby? 16 children and they will probably have more.

They cannot get the attention they need. It's impossible.

sarahtigh Wed 06-Mar-13 10:02:01

salims will be affected by new benefit cap of £500 per week

SirBoobAlot Wed 06-Mar-13 10:52:06

I agree... How on earth can they possibly get one on one time with their parents? Ever?

Bit sad, really.

The Radfords are obviously both addicted to having children though.

AlwaysReadyForABlether Wed 06-Mar-13 10:58:46

I think the Radfords come across really well as a family. The kids are all well spoken on camera and the house looks amazing considering how many people live there. Noel and Sue also seem very much in tune with each other and work well as a team.
The Salims were a different story. The wife seems so down-trodden and depressed. The husband would drive me nuts as he just seems to muck about and never do anything to help. I would love to know what subjects his 7 degrees are in!

atthewelles Wed 06-Mar-13 11:16:17

I felt sorry for the mother of the Salim family. She seemed pretty depressed by her chaotic messy surroundings and frustrated with her husband's inability to find a job. He came across as nice but a bit useless. To be honest, I think his wife would have a better chance of getting a job as she seems to be the practical one in the relationship while he seems to live in cloud cuckoo land a lot of the time but is good with the kids. A bit of role reversal might work wonders in that family. Also, if he had to look after the children on his own he might change his mind about wanting another baby.

The Radcliffes seem much more together and organised but then, they work as a team with Mr Radcliffe doing a lot of the cooking and household budgeting as well as running a business while Sue does most of the childcare and housework.
By the way, does their eldest child ever get mentioned? I presume he's left home but he doesn't ever seem to call around or attend family events.

atthewelles Wed 06-Mar-13 11:20:24

BTW I am shocked at people casually saying the Salim children should be put in care. Why? Because they live in an untidy house and the mum and dad can't agree on whether or not to have another child?

Blimey, half the families I grew up with in Ireland would have been fostered out if that was the criteria. shock

woodsies1975 Wed 06-Mar-13 11:31:59

On the last programme I saw, the Radfords were saying that they were both adopted as children and although they had happy childhoods with their adoptive families I can't help but wonder if their "need" to have all these children somehow goes back to them being adopted.

LemonBreeland Wed 06-Mar-13 11:45:28

I agree with comments above about the Radford children seeming more sensible than their parents. The children really don't get time with their parents.

Also wonder why the hell she irons anything. She also does 9 washes a day. I know that she uses washable nappies, but still that seems an awful lot.

She also goes to the supermarket every day. Where does she fit it all in.

I also know from myself that with 3 dc if I am ill for a couple of days everything collapses in the house and it can take me a while to catch up.

Mr Salim needs counselling to get over his need for more children to love. I do feel that he was acting up to the cameras and felt very sorry for his wife.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 06-Mar-13 12:22:16

why have 16 children?? the radfords do seem to cope and work - but still have visions of dad taking the door knob off sad

mr s - well words fail me sad glad benefits get capped at 500 but thats still a lot, more then what i earn each week

chanie44 Wed 06-Mar-13 12:48:51

The Radfords must rely heavily on the older children to help out. Like when the Mum went shopping, she only had the baby with her. The Dad works, so the younger ones must be somewhere.

I can't see how Mr Salim could ever have worked if he has 7 degrees - thats a lotta studying.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 06-Mar-13 12:59:40

i wondered this, unless she shops at night??

they said they dont have childcare, unless again grandparents, like when they went away

but yes the older kids do a lot and tbh dont think thats fair - they need to be children/enjoy their teens and go out with friends etc

mr s - how do all live in a 4 bedroomed house - again yes kids can share bedrooms but means no personal space if 4 in each room sad

loved the way mr s said he doesnt have kids for money, but that he loves having children - sure the money helps hmm

maybe if they had a huge tidy up and sold/ebayed some stuff they may have some money

When I think about the time it takes for me to sit down with dd1 and listen to her read or help her with homework I have no idea how you would multiply it by 16. And when u rely so heavily on older ones what happens when they leave for uni or move in with friends?

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 06-Mar-13 13:08:22

prob by the time the older ones go,the middle ones are older iyswim

poor mrs s as well - my heart is breaking as not enough space for the kids to have a bedroom each and wanting to send them to private school - that would be a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery well paid job to send 11 kids every year

atthewelles Wed 06-Mar-13 13:44:42

I thought Mrs Salim was setting her ambitions a bit high - private schools and a bedroom each do not normally go with very big families.

That was a strange thing to say I agree but I think she's just trying to hang onto some hope. Hope that maybe one day she can have something more. Or that her husband will work and help pay for it all. Of she was married off at 16 and he's on control of the finances I doubt she has a clue how much what she dreams off will actually cost

everlong Wed 06-Mar-13 13:51:33

Imagine all those spellings and times tables to learn?! I just don't see how they can do it.

I have enough with just one.

pigletmania Wed 06-Mar-13 13:52:43

Though te Radfords are coping just about, they want more kids so obviously that will put more strain on the family and resources. When they went away the Oder children were in charge of the younger ones and I guess this is so usually ,which is not fair. They are not their Chidren to look after and don't seem to have much of a childhood. I am sure they dont get much one to on time with their parents. Very selfish just puta plug in it and concentrate on the ones you have already they are not dolls to collect!

bigTillyMint Wed 06-Mar-13 14:00:25

But will they go to uni? When will they leave the home? The eldest Radford girl was a young mum (like mum Radford) living with her partner in the family house - not looking like she was planning to go to uni at the moment. What will the children's life expectations be?

Having said that, I thought that both families seemed very warm and loving.

And I also thought that Mum Salim had a backbone - she had clearly not had any more children for a few years and told the old man to bugger off when he was pleading for moresmile

There was an episode recently if the American version with the digger family. The toddler got her head stuck in the stair rails and when she got out mum had hold of her but she practically jumped from mum to one of the older sisters.

When the family dynamic gets screwed like that its hard to imagine the distress on the younger children when the older ones fly the best. Not oy has their sister gone but their buddy/ caretaker too.

pigletmania Wed 06-Mar-13 14:17:18

At least with the saleems noreen was the sensible one and did not want any more kids, no such luck with te Radfords tey are both as bad as each ther

pigletmania Wed 06-Mar-13 14:21:02

They need therapy not more children, tey are obviously addicted and are filling a GAO. They need more Chidren like they need a hole in the head and need professional help to realise this

Dinosaurhunter Wed 06-Mar-13 14:28:54

They do seem like a lovely family but I can't help feel that they are being selfish by wanting more children and the older daughter has a baby too ! I wonder if mum and dad were pleased about that ?

AmandinePoulain Wed 06-Mar-13 14:31:49

Molly - I remember that programme, Mrs Salim was really ill during her last pregnancy and the mw who visited her basically told him that all these pregnancies were having a terrible toll on her health and he just poopooed her. Imagine having that little respect for your wife sad

pigletmania Wed 06-Mar-13 14:33:30

Mr salim just sounds awful very immature and very little respect for his wife

LemonBreeland Wed 06-Mar-13 16:25:50

I wish I had seen the original programme with the Salims. It sounds like it would be interesting, and probably showed Mr S in a more realistic light. Not that he came out amazingly well last night.

I was interesting with the Radfors that although you could tell the older kids helped out it wasn't shown to be that way, like the Duggers are so clearly proud of. Noel and Sue were filmed to look like they did it all.

I also wonder how you get time to help them all with reading and spellings etc.

Goodtalkingtoo Wed 06-Mar-13 16:42:05

I felt the whole programme was staged.

The working family had the nice house, the nice kids, organised, etc etc
The unemployed family, lived in chaos, kids ran a mock, father was lazy good for nothing.

Why couldnt they have showed an unemployed family with a tidy home and nice kids.

I felt sorry for the salmi family they have been sold out, I don't believe they would have agreed to this show if the had realised how they would be portrayed.

The other family I feel we're portrayed as too perfect, no way with all those kids can things run that smoothly and everyone be that perfect, helpfully, hardworking.

All very staged

I agree with you there good there was absolutely nothing to show a loving family with the salims yet the tad fords had that mass christening. The eid celebrations weren't filmed the same way when that would have been a huge big family deal too. There must be more controversial goings on with the other family too that were never shown

Goodtalkingtoo Wed 06-Mar-13 16:53:48

I just feel it was edited to make one poor unemployed family look bad and one working family look good.
The tad fords seemed very set up, everything wonderfull bit like the diggers, where on closer inspection older kids were raising younger kids, kids weren't getting the attention they needed.

To me the salons showed a more realistic view of large families, the chaos, the mess, the stress, the downtrodden mother. But they interacted with each other, the kids were more like kids.

Not sure the portrayal of either family was honest or accurate

Goodtalkingtoo Wed 06-Mar-13 16:55:06

Omg I should proof read
The duggers not diggers
Salims not salons

munchkinmaster Wed 06-Mar-13 17:09:28

I think mrs salims ambition for a bedroom each and private schools was probably not out of the question when she left her whole family behind to come to the uk for her arranged marriage. He probably looked a good prospect on paper.

Lots of my friends parents were similar situations, had two kids, small house, middle management job. I feel for the poor woman (or girl she was 16 after all).

expatinscotland Wed 06-Mar-13 18:34:29

I completely agree, Goodtalkingto. Much, much, much was made of the Radfords and their 'we're not on benefits'. Bullshit! Either they're getting tax credits or the man, being self-employed, is paying FA tax because otherwise it just doesn't add up.

And yy, seemed very staged and 'perfect', but then you hear the kids throwing out liners like they'll just have another baby and not even notice I've left. The Duggers, well, their 'buddy' system of fobbing off each baby on one of the children and the older ones basically bringing that child up says it all.

There is no way one person can do it all. Even in times past, my grandfather was one of 15 who lived to adulthood. Those parents did not have time to devote attention to all those kids, even though they earned well, money was tight with so many children and as a result my grandmother spent a couple of years talking my grandfather round to having any kids at all, he was so put off. He was also one of the eldest children.

everlong Wed 06-Mar-13 18:41:38

I imagine that both families just concentrate on feeding them and getting them to bed! What goes on in between must be total anarchy.

The noise. Can you imagine it? I wonder how the kids do at school. I can't see how they get much support with homework and learning to read/spellings etc.

Bakingnovice Wed 06-Mar-13 22:43:03

Good - I agree with you. Very stage managed and deliberately picked families. Seeing both sets of kids made me sad. Neither set looked like all their emotional needs were being met. Also, where and how and when do the parents find the time to have so much sex?? Every time we try and get away from our tiny family one the kids needs a wee/ poo/ snack/ question answered/ lost toy!

sparetickets Thu 07-Mar-13 13:19:49

Minor point I know but if Noel is a baker, why was he using supermarket white sliced for the (mahoosive pile of) sandwiches?!

gymboywalton Thu 07-Mar-13 13:22:10

there is a reason that the pill was such a huge factor for social change.

it is not good to have so many children. it is not good for the health of the woman and it is not good for the welfare of the children.

Groovee Thu 07-Mar-13 13:38:12

I'm sure the younger one's in the Radcliff family go to Nursery 3 mornings a week and once the youngest goes, Sue then goes and works in the bakery with Noel. I think her mum often helps out too.

Mr Salim... He's been on something else where he made it plain he didn't want to work and was told off for being too fussy!

AmandinePoulain Thu 07-Mar-13 13:44:07

I thought that spare hmm

SirBoobAlot Thu 07-Mar-13 14:18:33

Imagine that the cheapy-cheap white sliced from supermarket is cheaper than a bakers loaf, even if you've made it yourself.

I just keep coming back to the look on Mrs S face. She looked so downtrodden.

MiaowTheCat Thu 07-Mar-13 17:57:47

Mr Salim was on the original big families one-off thing that C4 did (think this is about the 3rd time they've done the big families shows and the first time they've done it as an actual series - I think the Radfords were at about number 13 at that point). His wife was having an awful pregnancy and basically being told by the doctors and midwives that this needed to be the point where she stopped because she couldn't take much more of it physically - and he sure as heck wasn't listening to her then.

Considering I don't think she's had any more since then - I wouldn't be surprised if she'd listened to it and taken measures accordingly.

FrillyMilly Thu 07-Mar-13 19:58:01

Mr Salim seems unusual for a Muslim man (in my experience). As his wife said its shameful that he doesn't work. I wonder if any of the older children work? Most of the Muslims I know would never get in to debt and work their backsides off, including having more than one job. A big house and private school probably would have seemed not too ridiculous when she married a well educated man at a young age. I felt very sorry for her.

pigletmania Fri 08-Mar-13 11:38:46

At least mrs Salim is taking responsibility unlike her husband. I really do feel fr her she looks so worn out and sad. As for te Radfords tey really need to put a plug in it and focus on the Children that they have, as I seriously doubt tat they are getting much indivdual time with their parents. I Understand on the first programme one of the children said that they would not notice if he moved out, that was very sad and telling.

They went out for the weekend and left a 18 year old in charge of 14 kids, I understand the younger two were with their grandparents. That is irresponsible, what if there was a fire or emergency! That is a lot to place on a young woman shoulders, I would not be able to relax. Why dident te grandparents stay in the house.

FrillyMilly Fri 08-Mar-13 13:18:29

I did find it a bit off that they left most of the children at home with only an 18 year old in charge. I'm sure they would like more couple time, what parents wouldn't, but surely that's something you have to sacrifice when you are unable to stop procreating.

clangermum Fri 08-Mar-13 13:24:55

Did anyone else notice this was one of the programmes people were shown watching on Gogglebox last night. There were plenty of comments about the Radfords, quite positive about their coping and the usual 'OMG can you imagine' kind of thing, but no comments shown about the Salims. Maybe they felt the comments were too critical to show but it felt like a very obvious omission

smellysocksandchickenpox Fri 08-Mar-13 14:11:09

"Also, where and how and when do the parents find the time to have so much sex??"

If I took the door handle off DDs bedroom door and locked her in there all evening/night, and "sleep trained" the baby from a very young age too, I'ld also have lots of time for sex.... but it'ld be safe sex cause if you don't like cuddling/comforting your kids and small babies then you'ld be happier child-free!

I expect they find the time by palming the kids off on the older ones! sad

SashaSashays Tue 12-Mar-13 21:26:15

Is anyone watching this tonight? Some different families on this week I think.

I'm watching, the salim family were on last week. They re so unorganised, I can't believe the kids sleep in their clothes sad

MrsSlocombesPussy Tue 12-Mar-13 22:16:03

If the dad in the Salim family is an unemployed teacher, why isn't he helping the kids with their homework?

He's really annoying. So loud and like an overexcited kid himself. I've seen this family on T.V. before and it's quite clear his wife is fed up and does not want any more children, unlike the other women featured.

smellysocksandchickenpox Tue 12-Mar-13 22:27:29

he totally wanted the attention on HIM not on the birthday girl!

SashaSashays Tue 12-Mar-13 22:37:44

Was posting on the other thread about this but what do we think of the Sullivan family? It seems a very controlled environment.

lrichmondgabber Wed 13-Mar-13 11:15:03

Nothing aginst kids but I could not exist in that busy an household

dreamingofthefuture Wed 13-Mar-13 15:42:37

It is because of people like him that people on benefits get such bad press. I work fulltime and there is no way I could afford to spontaniously take my child to the fair, get a taxi to a science museum and let child choose box of chocolates as one item during the shop. the whole situation is ludicrous and makes my blood boil and he and his son are so obnoxious.

I also get annoyed with myself for still watching it when it annoys me so much and feeds his ego if we all keep watching (which I will)

Eliza600 Wed 13-Mar-13 15:52:25

Mr Salim appears to be an attention seeker. He has staged protests and a hunger strike (against The Satanic Verses) and is a regular writer to the letter pages in his local newspaper decrying Britain and our so called anti-muslimism.
He has also been charged with benefit fraud.

Without wishing to get into a political debate, he and his immigrant wife (who appeared to be unable to speak English) are a prime example of why immigration laws should be reviewed.
Also surely a good example for the capping of child benefit?

www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news/78283/scrounging-rochdale-couple-with-11-kids-back-on-television

www.topix.com/forum/uk/rochdale/T01CGGGM01CDF85VC

The wife does speak english.

Just in case you wanted some facts to go with your ranting...

Eliza600 Wed 13-Mar-13 16:11:05

TeWiSavesTheDay

I may be wrong - it seemed she understood some English but couldn't speak it.

Groovee Wed 13-Mar-13 16:27:37

The Sullivans were on a similar programme when they had 9. They seemed to manage home schooling and the place looked fine.

But Mr Salim, his wife needs a medal for having 11 children with him as a big child as well. She's quite firm on the fact no more children and telling him he doesn't do enough with the ones he's got. I would have murdered him within a couple of hours of being with him.

SashaSashays Wed 13-Mar-13 16:31:45

Has he actually been convicted of benefit fraud? Is that whats damaging his attempts at getting a new job?

Blu Wed 13-Mar-13 16:36:57

Mrs Salim can and does speak English - it's just she can hardley get a word in edgeways, is quiet and doesn't perform for the camera like he does. In fact she looks and sounds as reluctant to talk on camera as she does to have more kids.

And they put subtitles on her speech for no good reason - they could just edit the sound to make her more audible. But handliy it makes her look as if she needs to be translated.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 13-Mar-13 17:36:16

mr salim seems to shout at his children lots

the sullivans were lovely

Eliza600 Wed 13-Mar-13 19:02:11

SashaSashays

By Mr Salim's own account he quit teaching at a college in Manchester in 2005:
"For many years I worked in Derby as a teacher, earning £27,000 a year, and Noreen would be at home with the kids. I would come home at weekends. Then I moved back to work in Manchester and took a pay cut to £24,000. It was a load of crap. I was teaching at a college and I'd be up at 5.30am with the kids then have to go to work. I just couldn't be arsed with sitting in traffic. I'd be sat in traffic for hours and I felt like I'd done a day's work by the time I got there, I was so stressed."

www.derbygripe.co.uk/salim.htm

I have no idea whether he was eventually convicted of the benefit fraud. It just annoys me that spongers such as this man (who gave up work to claim benefits) are given airtime on primetime television.

juneau Wed 13-Mar-13 20:27:28

I really don't like Mohammed Salim and the way those kids are being raised with no rules, no bedtimes, rotten teeth, no sheets on half the beds, sleeping in their tracksuits, running riot, is a disgrace. The father may claim to have 'seven degrees', but he comes across as a complete idiot, to say nothing of utterly irresponsible.

alemci Wed 13-Mar-13 22:35:15

I wasn't sure about the Sullivans Home schooling. There was an older boy there who seemed to be helping. What was happening to his education? They seemed a nice family but very insular. Wonder if they had any parents or sibblings around?

Salims house looked dirty and the beds were yucky. how could the older girl study properly with all those other kids distracting her.

I don't think he should father anymore kids and is very selfish.

also how do they all get on with the bathroom and loo etc. must be a nightmare being so overcrowded.

She can speak English; it's very heavily accented though and she seems very shy/ill at ease so speaks quickly.

Judyandherdreamofhorses Thu 14-Mar-13 20:29:55

I've just started watching this on 4OD. Why does Mrs Salim's speech need to be subtitled? She's speaking English.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 14-Mar-13 21:28:19

I thought you could only claim benifits if made redundant - not if quit a job

It is that just jsa?

Yes £3k a year paycut isn't nice / £60 a week but must also on that salary NOWAY could all the kids go to private school and have their own bedroom - as mrs s wants

If she wanted that for her children then should have stopped at two children and live in a 4 bed room house

pigletmania Thu 14-Mar-13 21:34:12

Mr Saleem seems like a total plank, how old is he? if he wants more children he has to get off his arse and work to support them and support the existing ones he has. Poor Mrs Saleem she seems very long suffering

alemci Thu 14-Mar-13 21:40:32

definitely. Mr S could audition for Chuckle Vision only he is 20 years' too late. To me to you smile

edited to make the Salim family look bad.

the radfords must be claiming benefits, child tax credits or something.
no way can a bakery make enough money to fully support a family that big

really felt for mrs Salim , i reckon shes perhaps had a contraception injection in secret, good for her if she has

there is no space in that tiny house to really be organised, you need enough space to organise stuff properly

AndrewJ Wed 20-Mar-13 00:33:40

Looks to me like Mrs Salim thinks her husband is just one of the kids.

AndrewJ Wed 20-Mar-13 00:50:36

Totally agree Eliza600. What an utter waste of space this man is in Britain. He has nothing to give to his wife, country or earth. He is a small child trapped in a mans body and is only focused upon knocking his wife up (who clearly hates his childishness) so he can continue his childish behaviour ("AHH LUV KIDS HUHUHUHUH!) whilst not gaining control of his kids, or teaching them anything of worth. He is a true idiot, and his wife despises him without him knowing, because he really is THAT thick.

lisad123everybodydancenow Sun 24-Mar-13 17:26:52

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BananaHammocks Tue 26-Mar-13 21:12:57

Anyone watching tonight? There's a new family! Anyone notice how the children of these big families tend to start their families very young too?

Katz Tue 26-Mar-13 21:13:24

Anyone watching tonight

Katz Tue 26-Mar-13 21:14:24

I'm watching,

MrsBucketxx Tue 26-Mar-13 21:16:14

I am, feeling quiet disgusted with the family with 9 kids and no jobs, they want more too shock

BananaHammocks Tue 26-Mar-13 21:20:02

And their 17 year old daughter has one too! No need to worry about paying for childcare while a college though coz mummu and daddy don't have jobs!

BananaHammocks Tue 26-Mar-13 21:20:43

Their house looks really nice too!! envy

TreadOnTheCracks Tue 26-Mar-13 21:21:35

The new family do seem nice and very loving.

LeggoAcubunnyture Tue 26-Mar-13 21:22:36

I must admit to being judgey of he family of 9 and both of them no working. They must have a valid reason though. Children with SN and wife with arthritis?

Their house is beautiful. I'm very envy

MrsBucketxx Tue 26-Mar-13 21:24:37

ok it wasn't explained about the sn at first, they need the bedtome live crew.

Figgygal Tue 26-Mar-13 21:24:42

9 kids no jobs what a disgusting cliche

LeggoAcubunnyture Tue 26-Mar-13 21:26:02

My sister operates her bedtimes like that, no routine, and her (primary) DC are up often past 10 despite having school the next day.

Meglet Tue 26-Mar-13 21:27:01

She spends more time ironing a day than I do a year.

I really like the newest family. They're really loving and I think that I can understand his choice to give up work to some degree.

LeggoAcubunnyture Tue 26-Mar-13 21:29:11

I was thinking the same meglet grin

These two families do seem very loving.

MrsBucketxx Tue 26-Mar-13 21:32:44

how does your sister get time for herself leggo? I'm a bit of a bed time nazi.

Also has anyone else noticed how lovely the newest mum's (not Tracy) skin is. The more kids I have the worse I look.

LeggoAcubunnyture Tue 26-Mar-13 21:34:11

She doesn't mind apparently. I otoh like my DC in bed by 8 at the latest!

BiteTheTopsOffIcedGems Tue 26-Mar-13 21:36:28

The poor man overwhelmed by daughters!

PartyFops Tue 26-Mar-13 21:37:06

I really like the taxi man dad but how on earth are they so rich? She has a Louis bag and purse, range rovers etc. on a taxi man wage?

Katz Tue 26-Mar-13 21:38:47

He's a mechanic I think not taxi driver.

Meglet Tue 26-Mar-13 21:38:57

Pete has the patience of a bloody saint.

thekidsrule Tue 26-Mar-13 21:39:06

hes a self employed mechanic

he was joking about being a taxi driver

thekidsrule Tue 26-Mar-13 21:40:41

the younger family

i spotted their black swirl sofa in the front window of Brighthouse

the benefit cap will hammer them i would of thoght

MrsBucketxx Tue 26-Mar-13 21:41:49

no they are on carers allowance.

Katz Tue 26-Mar-13 21:42:53

£300 per child!

MrsBucket, we don't use bed times, I go out for time to myself. I genuinely don't mind them being about (and I am really not that 'my kids are my world' type of mum).

Currently the 5 DC range from 6-21 so the idea of bedtimes wouldn't even work for us if we did want to use it.

thekidsrule Tue 26-Mar-13 21:43:39

yeah but with 9 child tax credits alone and cb that would come to over £550 a week and thats without the parents applicable amount and rent etc

Katz Tue 26-Mar-13 21:48:47

The multiple girl family, mum works too so I guess they both earn well then, although she was talking about spending less than the other family on Christmas.

Awww its a lovely baby.

MrsBucketxx Tue 26-Mar-13 22:02:10

thats the thing, if you pay for them I dont see an issue.

I feel for that dad though.

Bet Pete's glad he's got that beach hut. I want one of those.

Why do i have only two kids yet look like an old hag? hmm

The Families featured looked very happy.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 26-Mar-13 22:56:19

Why have 9 kids if you don't work

They don't mention dollys dad? Is Chantelle a single mum?

I think I remember them saying Chantelle moved out and lived with her partner now, I think he just doesn't want to be included like some of their older children and their partners. Dolly isn't their first grandchild from what I gather.

Also from what the other family said the dad worked until their eighth child at which point he became a carer for 2 of the children and his wife. Not that unreasonable.

IrrelevantElephant Tue 26-Mar-13 23:03:47

I like the new family a lot too, and can completely understand why Dad gave up work. He'd worked for over 25years, and then had two children with severe medical needs (and they must be pretty severe needs If they get DLA/carers) and with a wife with arthiritis, I think he made the right decision to give up work.

And yes, the house is lovely, but after 25+ years of working before having to resort to benefits, it might be theirs anyway- very likely to not be a council house.

I'd agree with the poster that says children of large families seem to have children at a younger age than most. DH and I are from large families too, and that's a similar reflection here. Maybe because the older children think that looking after younger ones is something they know they are "good" at?

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 26-Mar-13 23:06:42

Must have missed the bit about dad giving up work

Totally understand why te older children and partners don't want to be included on tv

Like the other osbourne daughter and also on towie / there's another wright but didn't want to join mark and sister

LeggoAcubunnyture Wed 27-Mar-13 07:06:59

Irrelivant that was my thinking re the house.

lisad123everybodydancenow Wed 27-Mar-13 12:49:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PearlyWhites Wed 27-Mar-13 21:22:52

I disagree I don't think you should choose to go on benefits. If you lose your job or are a single mum
with a baby or a disabled child then that's fair enough but that's not the case with this family. Also the dad wants more children he doesn't plan to provide for.
I am wheelchair bound due to different medical conditions and have a daughter with asd and three other children. Looking after my dc can be hard but we chose to have them and there is no way I would want my dh to give up work to claim benefits.

thekidsrule Thu 28-Mar-13 16:38:07

agree withPearlyWhites

24yearsandcounting Fri 29-Mar-13 11:53:00

just watching on catchup... did the non-working Dad say they spend £300 on each child? DH and I earn good money, and only have 2 DCs but spend nothing like that.... I can understand going into debt/borrowing of parents if it meant your child having absolutley nothing otherwise, but not to spend £300 on each.

sunnyshine Fri 29-Mar-13 22:09:10

24yearsandcounting yes he just said they spend £300 per child and £4500 in total!! Complete madness shock

lisad123everybodydancenow Sat 30-Mar-13 08:09:00

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lollilou Sat 30-Mar-13 18:59:52

I think their house looks like a converted pub with the split level room.

FullOfChoc Tue 02-Apr-13 21:13:14

Anyone watching tonight?

Me smile

She never washed the girls socks? £2.50 a day on socks, the woman is a looney!

chickensaladagain Tue 02-Apr-13 21:21:45

the the allen mother serious?

eats out 4 times a week & take aways and new socks??

wtf?

Nearly £500 a month on takeaways/eating out. That is our monthly food/bills budget.

sleepdodger Tue 02-Apr-13 21:23:14

Ok judgy pants on
Pizza 4 x a week for a toddler
New socks daily
shock
This isn't real is it?

FullOfChoc Tue 02-Apr-13 21:23:24

Could you feed 15 for £23.30 then?

£480 a month on eating out and takeaways!

thekidsrule Tue 02-Apr-13 21:24:03

speechless

did you see the young mormon boy spitting at his dadshock

girliefriend Tue 02-Apr-13 21:24:55

omg shock

why on earth would you buy new socks everyday? What a waste!!

girliefriend Tue 02-Apr-13 21:26:13

yes thekidsrule - I was mortified!!

Seriously if my dd spat at me she would only do it the once I promise you!!
Disgusting.

xigris Tue 02-Apr-13 21:26:29

New socks everyday???????!!!! I know that's far too many ? and ! but really?! Wow.

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:26:30

How do they afford the socks/eating out/takeaways?

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:26:57

i think the religious family seem ok so far.

HepzibahFlurge Tue 02-Apr-13 21:27:09

the spitting was disgusting - I would not have put up with ds doing that for one second
And new socks everyday plus eating out/takeouts 3-4 times a week for that family in Sunderland How do they afford it?
23.20 for pizza is very cheap though - we are in Hampshire and it cost us that to get takeout pizza for the three of us

Think this episode is the most jaw dropping so far smile

madasamarchhare Tue 02-Apr-13 21:27:48

Yep and judgy pants here too. How go the Mormon family afford to spend 230 per week on a tesco shop. That's approx 900 a month. Obv not on a huge salary as still eligible for child benefit. And the spitting. Just disgusting he didn't even reprimand the child

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:28:13

easier said than done.it is disgusting,and i think he could of looked more bothered by itbut he was probably embarrassed.

HepzibahFlurge Tue 02-Apr-13 21:28:30

The landlord of that pub must love that Sunderland family!

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:29:18

i dot know how they manage to feed so many on that much,we spend 250 a week and we have 4.

madasamarchhare Tue 02-Apr-13 21:30:17

Think it speaks volumes that in many of these episodes the older children are absolutely against having a large family. I wonder if this confirms lack of attention for each child and reflects the amount they're expected to look after the younger ones

thekidsrule Tue 02-Apr-13 21:30:34

the dad with the beard dosent say much

FairyArmadillo Tue 02-Apr-13 21:31:14

I am really struggling not to be judgemental about New Sock Lady. I hope she gives the "old" socks to charity and not just throw them away.

madasamarchhare Tue 02-Apr-13 21:31:43

Kidsrule bet he can't get a word in edge ways!!

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:32:32

my sil doesnt use proper plates and cutlery,they dont even own them,they use disposable ones,they have 6.

girliefriend Tue 02-Apr-13 21:32:58

Yes my friend is one of 14 and has only had 2 kids herself - she is really anti having a large family herself.

Think it is so unfair to expect the older ones to be babysitters like that.

thekidsrule Tue 02-Apr-13 21:33:53

ha ha,think ur right madasamarchhare

missed it, was does he do as a job?

madasamarchhare Tue 02-Apr-13 21:34:47

I think they said he's a mechanic but didn't say much about it

thekidsrule Tue 02-Apr-13 21:35:16

thanks

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:36:20

He is a mechanic but they didn't say if he owned the garage or was an employee

madasamarchhare Tue 02-Apr-13 21:36:33

Exhausted but want another - are they mad?

Sorry - but this is such an exploitative programme!

It just adds fuel to whole benefits fire and a real point and laugh.

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:39:44

They are not being exploited though are they? They are being paid. Because they have chosen to do it.

TerrysNo2 Tue 02-Apr-13 21:40:23

OK, just started watching in the background but this woman looks pretty amazing considering she's had 12 kids.

And I am loving the floral reusables!

But they have no editorial control - just because money has exchanged hands doesn't make it right ...

FullOfChoc Tue 02-Apr-13 21:42:47

It'sjusta I felt that to begin with but now I am fascinated by what drives them to have so many children. There has been some sort of tragedy in several of the parents lives.

I do wonder about the editing in some parts, and also imagine how your parenting would change if there were cameras in the room (perhaps I should start imagining this - I only have 2!).

thekidsrule Tue 02-Apr-13 21:43:50

why would you have paws tattoed on your breasts

yes im judgeing

the mormon mum had a sad story to explain her longing for so many children

madasamarchhare Tue 02-Apr-13 21:44:34

Was just thinking the same!!

TerrysNo2 Tue 02-Apr-13 21:45:24

I'm confused, there is more than one family on each show? the one I was referring to is the one still breastfeeding the 2 year old.

girliefriend Tue 02-Apr-13 21:46:07

Why did she have to give her baby up for adoption? - sorry missed that bit.

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:46:45

itsjustafleshwound you need to search for Larger Family Life on facebook. She is the mum of the family that had 16 kids and runs that page and a separate forum.

She said they viewed the edit before the programme was shown and ws happy with the way they were shown.

One of the of the older kids just said that the Sunderland mother's ability to have more kids made her feel she is still young. I kind of understand that (even though I have three and will definitely have no more)

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:47:14

i think her parents made her because she was so young.

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:47:51

My kids make me feel old. I wish they made me feel young.

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:47:54

tanya is the mum with 12 not 16.

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:49:16

I know Amber, I was just saying to Flesh that people that have appeared on the show are happy with the edit so it probably isn't exploitative.

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 21:52:01

on the radfords blog it says they had final say too so i dont think it is exploitative.

I still don't see a point of the show ...

At least 'they' are happy with the outcome.

VictorTango Tue 02-Apr-13 21:56:59

Happy with the dosh it creates as well I should imagine

sleepdodger Tue 02-Apr-13 21:59:02

15 people for £24 when most are small- defo!!
Large lasagna, shepards pie etc bulked with veg etc!!

AmberSocks Tue 02-Apr-13 22:00:28

to be honest i think one of these shows would of been enough,they are getting pretty boring,its just the same every week but with a different family.

FullOfChoc Tue 02-Apr-13 22:01:59

Last one in the series next week...

awaynboilyurheid Tue 02-Apr-13 22:14:22

Agree with others spitting is horrible would it be for attention? , think they probably need to really play up to get any attention which is why the littlest one kept being so clingy it was as if they wanted her to grow up so they could get on and have another one , its like a production line , right NEXT baby , instead of giving each one a bit more undivided time, noticed when mum returned from her night away another little one came running up but then just walked away on her own as mum focused on Posy

PearlyWhites Tue 02-Apr-13 22:17:50

Lisa did you read my post I am disabled and have a disabled child, my husband works full time AND is a carer

KobayashiMaru Tue 02-Apr-13 22:32:07

Its no surprise your woman thinks its a doddle having 11 children, she doesn't seem to do very much for them! The house is a tip and there are nearly naked babies eating pizza off the floor!

BatCave Wed 03-Apr-13 08:28:12

I know Amanda (the Sunderland mum) and she really is the kindest hearted loving lady. I know she isn't happy with the edit and they way they have been portrayed. I think it's a lesson to take these programmes with a pinch of salt.

VictorTango Wed 03-Apr-13 10:19:33

What is she unhappy about Batcave?

BatCave Wed 03-Apr-13 13:05:15

The pizza scene was set up by the film crew who badgered her and badgered her to do it. They deliberately picked scenes that made the house look untidy, kids eating junk her partying, etc and missed out a whole load of lovely stuff like outings home cooked meals etc. The pub thing and eating out was exaggerated too. The final edit that she was previewed wasn't what was actually shown I believe.

KobayashiMaru Wed 03-Apr-13 13:27:17

It stands to reason that its edited in a certain way to give a POV, but she did say direct to camera that they eat out several times a week and buy takeaways as well, talking about how much they spent on such things. So either she said that of her own accord, or she said lies they told her to. Either way, she must have known the impression they were going for.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 03-Apr-13 14:37:40

there will always be editing but

they do/did the stuff in the first place to be able to edit

ie all eat pizza and just let the babies gnaw at it while on the floor - havnt they got a table and chairs - pizza with say peppers/toms/cucumber isnt a bad meal every now and again

buying new socks at £2.50 for 5 and never washing is insane - white socks never stay white, then dont buy white siocks unless must be white for school

and bleach them if go a grey colour

spitting was disgusting and dad didnt seem bothered hmm

felt sorry for the landlord

and yes seems all of the older chilren say they dont want a large family, but some are also pregnant at 18ish -do they just want a baby of their own to look after rather then look after their siblings?

rezzle Wed 03-Apr-13 16:24:15

To be fair, the Sunderland mum did say they spent £250 a month (I think) on take away. If it was almost £25 for one meal that's only (!) ten a month - hardly takeaway every night!

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 03-Apr-13 16:51:18

Every three nights then - 2.5times a week roughly if 10times a month

Katz Wed 03-Apr-13 16:54:45

I got the impression that not all the sunderland family's children still lived at home, the age range i think was 26 down to 1 year, when they ordered the pizza there certainly weren't 12 children and 2 adults there.

I really liked the Dundee family and thought it was so sad her that she'd been forced to give up her baby at 16.

AmberSocks Wed 03-Apr-13 18:44:57

the older ones in the scottish family didnt say they didnt want anymore babies,in fact,iirc,sock lady is the first oe where the kids have said no more-at least in such a direct way.

susiedaisy Wed 03-Apr-13 18:53:23

Just watching it now and I'm speechless at the Sunderland family that eat out and have takeaways so often, good lord !!!

LegoAcupuncture Wed 03-Apr-13 20:19:41

Watched it this morning.

When the voice over was telling us what they earn ( works as x and get £x in child benefit), why are they missing out family tax credits? They can't be both over the threshold, especially the Sunderland family.

I liked the Dundee family, they seem very grounded, but was not impressed with the spitting. Parents do seem very calm with it all.

AmberSocks Wed 03-Apr-13 20:23:39

people keep mentioning the spitting,what do you expect him to do?He told him no and moved his face away,my son went through a short phrase of doing that,although im guessing he was younger than that boy,and i used to say no,spitting is dirty and not kind, in a firm voice, and move him away from me,theres not much you can do,short of taping their mouth shut!

lisad123everybodydancenow Wed 03-Apr-13 21:34:29

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PearlyWhites Wed 03-Apr-13 22:03:31

Haha I don't think I am Wonder Woman it's very hard. but I doubt how severe her arthritis was if she can iron for four hours a day also the way she emptied the washing machine with ease.
Of course there will be people who need to give up work to care for a disabled spouse and dc's but I just don't buy it with that family.

I really liked both the families from this week.

The mum from Sunderland seemed lovely, yes the socks aspect might be a bit unnecessary but its her money, maybe she prefers to spend money on that than on other luxuries, same with eating out. She may keep other costs low and it didn't say how much extra she spends on food for when they don't eat out. The other family spent £230 and that apparently wouldn't last a week so probably more like £250 meaning around £1000 per month. £480 on takeaways and eating out, covering the majority of the most expensive meals (dinner or lunch), even if you take into consideration she has less children, she still has £4-500 to spend to exceed the other families costs. Good luck to her if she can being all that eating out in on budget.

I'm quite confused about the pearl clutching regarding 'nearly naked babies eating pizza off the floor'. They were sitting on the floor they weren't peeling scraps of the carpet. Plus at that age what is wrong with being in just a nappy? We have a large family and when there are extra children dinner is quite often served sitting on the floor there is no room at the table.

Other family seemed nice, spitting wasn't great but they seem to have raised multiple other children who aren't spitting so I don't imagine they need too much help with it. Looks like next week they talk about struggling with bad behaviour.

clangermum Thu 04-Apr-13 10:54:17

I wondered if they'd do more on behaviour, as there was a scene when one of the mormon children said they hadn't eaten out in 6 years. I was thinking it was probably because of cost but then she said it was because of x and y, naming two of the boys, but this wasn't followed up (other than that one of them had been shown spitting).

I can also see how this show has things massaged for effect, kind of, so it's really interesting that the pizza eating was a bit staged. They seem to pair the families very carefully, so this week we have one going to their favourite place, the pub over the road, while the other goes to the church over the road. One eats out a lot, one hasn't eaten out for 6 years.

littlebitofthislittlebitofthat Thu 04-Apr-13 11:02:26

the thing that saddened me most was that I noticed the Salim children didn't get ready for bed... they just slept in the clothes they wore the day before... sad

I remember getting teased at that age.... those poor children sad

alemci Thu 04-Apr-13 11:30:59

i must admit i did wonder how the Sunderland mum afforded to buy the takeaways and eat at the pub so frequently. what was the dad's job. also the sock thing. wasteful.

Did like both the families overall.

flootshoot Thu 04-Apr-13 15:57:07

Just my two penn'eth FWIW...

Radfords - seem lovely if bonkers (ironing? with 16 kids... really??), although some of the things the younger ones said were quite telling.

Salims - just horrible, that poor woman obviously expected so much more from life. Mr Salim is an idiot. I remember seeing them on TV a few years ago after their youngest was born and his attitude was awful. The midwive pretty much ordered him not to have any more for the sake of his wife's health and he poo-poohed her. I shall never forget him bursting into the bedroom, camera crew in tow, while his wife was clearly trying to hide from the chaos, in tears, face buried in the new baby. sad

Sullivans - something very Duggarish about them. Isolated kids, strict religion, homeschooling etc. (Obviously nowt worng with homeschooling but it seems they're using it as a way of keeping their kids away from others). Saw them on TV last year and they mentioned not believing in contraception - I was surpised more wasn't made of that this time, i.e. they're not choosing to have so many children as such, they're 'leaving it up to God'. RE: breastfeeding comments upthread, I wouldn't be surprised if Ma Sullivan was bottle-feeding expressed milk on the show - just looking at the way they dress I suspect modesty plays a big part (this is purely speculation on my part), and that might preclude her from breastfeeding on TV.

Quite liked the Lewises, again saw them on a previous prog and I remember Dad coming down the stairs after trying to get everyone ready to leave with an armful of confiscated hair-straighteners grin. Poor Chantelle though, she must've been terrified when her DD was born amidst all that drama.

Hanns - seemed nice enough although it's a pretty mad view on life to think that having another baby will 'get you back to normal' but to each their own I suppose. I wonder if Posy's worked out breastfeeding gives her time with mum she might not otherwise have...?

Haven't much to say about the others, here endeth the ramble! grin

nevergoogle Thu 04-Apr-13 19:02:30

I went to school with the Hann fathers younger siblings. There was lots of them too. All nice kids to be honest. Never spat at me once! grin

girliefriend Thu 04-Apr-13 20:22:29

To those saying what should he have done when his son was spitting in his face. If my dd spat I would have gone mad at her, she would have been sat on the floor on time out and had to apologise. She has never done it but I would definitely have a zero tolerance approach to that.

He should have picked him up, firmly said, 'do not spit at me' and sat him on the floor facing a wall. The little boy thought it was a massive joke and the dad nothing about it.

FrillyMilly Thu 04-Apr-13 21:19:21

The one thing I noticed this week was the Hanns children saying they didn't mind more children and they had more love to give. They are the first ones I've noticed not saying anything negative about having lots of siblings or wishing their parents would stop.

With regard to money most of the families shown have older children so perhaps they are contributing too? I know my siblings and I had to pay keep to our mum once we were working.

AmberSocks Wed 10-Apr-13 21:16:12

anyone watching tonight?think its the last one.

Meglet Wed 10-Apr-13 21:26:38

I saw it yesterday.

looking back at previous comments, both my dc's spit at me every so often. They get bollocked for it, they know they shouldn't do it ....... they do it again a few weeks later. And repeat. They'll grow out of it I hope.

AmberSocks Wed 10-Apr-13 21:32:32

oh yeah must be a repeat :-)

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 11-Apr-13 00:07:27

I watched last night

Was the renewal of vows and wedding

Wonders what it cost for it all

to take 20 people away so

flights

passports

Outfits for all kids and shoes

Villa

Obv Ceronemy

Prob not much change from £10k

Was a lovely renewal tho sue looked flustered having all in that room at hotel. Would have been easier for her to get ready at villa and males at hotel

She had an obvious strap mark sad (sorry for being picky)

Rem when I got married in the Caribbean and day before mine the bride and bridesmaid all had strapless dresses and all got burnt with strap marks

Can't believe they were that stupid

Also can't believe they left young kids alone in pool while adults and older kids inside hmm obv camera crew there

But lovely still together 20 yrs later smile

Other family

Omfg. Those 2 boys need a firm hand and telling off

Did wonder if eldest daughter decided to get married in a rush to escape the busy mad house

Met 4 weeks then engaged - married 5mths later to a bloke who was an only child

Didn't look totally in love to me tbh sad

Garynkirsty Thu 11-Apr-13 16:05:11

Hello everyone it's the freer family just wanted to say thankyou to everyone that made nice comments about our family. I know there's been nasty ones but we was expecting that as to be fair a lot wasn't!5 explained and with only 20 minute air time a lot has to be squashed in

clangermum Thu 11-Apr-13 18:26:08

I thought the programme makers were naughty mentioning about benefits, then not explaining until later that this was a recent thing and that it was done for very good reasons. (If I'm thinking of the right family, not on this week's episode?)

It's a fascinating programme but I think lots of people are aware how things get edited for effect. I'll miss it now it has ended though. Any plans for another series?

givemeaclue Wed 17-Apr-13 17:05:35

Just caught up watching. I've stayed at the hotel where they renewed wedding vows, it is lovely!

givemeaclue Wed 17-Apr-13 17:09:47

In all the families the older ones are getting married or having babies quite young. Wonder if there is a connection. Go all the families the couple's have supportive relationshipq and seen happy.

givemeaclue Wed 17-Apr-13 17:10:28

Which ones were the freer family?

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 17-Apr-13 19:22:53

freer family was the one where the dad gave up work to look after his kids

givemeaclue Thu 18-Apr-13 09:13:52

Just asking with them posting on this thread. They looked like a family who have a lot of fun together.

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