Child Of Our Time is back!! Who's going to be watching?

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lisad123everybodydancenow Tue 26-Feb-13 11:52:05

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Ooh yes I will. Will sky plus it now. Thanks!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 12:17:57

Ooh yes! Seems like so long ago since it started (makes me a bit sad, I used to watch it with my Mum and she died over 5 years ago) but I'm so excited to see how they've grown!

DomesticCEO Wed 27-Feb-13 12:19:03

yes will be watching smile

i didn't have children when it was last on and now I have two!

Having, so sorry for your loss sad.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 12:36:57

I am stupidly emotional because I'm 32 week pregnant myself now (so obviously missing her more!). It'll be strange to be watching it now I'm expecting it myself - I was only 19 when it started!

gazzalw Wed 27-Feb-13 12:41:09

Typically it coincides with a good, new supernatural drama on ITV!

DS is an almost peer to the cohort followed in this series, so we find it particularly fascinating from that point of view. For some reason we missed the last update (last year or the year before?) so will seem like a big leap seeing them again after a two or three year gap.

janek Wed 27-Feb-13 12:56:35

Thanks for starting this thread, or i'd never have known! I missed the last 'series' as it was broadcast in secret! I will be watching.

ArcticRoll Wed 27-Feb-13 16:56:45

Yes -it hasn't been on for ages-guess quite a few families dropped out.

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord Wed 27-Feb-13 17:36:06

They're all about a year older than DS so I've been watching since I was pregnant.

I've really loved following it. smile

AnythingNotEverything Wed 27-Feb-13 17:46:34

Same here Incognito - they're about 6 months older than my ds so it's been great getting a look into the future all these years.

Cannot wait to see what they're like as teenagers!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 21:02:20

Oh my goodness, they're teenagers! shock Are we all ready?!

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:02:56

Love it!

Ive cried in the first five minutes at seeing how they've grown!!! Makes me realise dd who's 4 is gonna shoot up.

I love this programme.

ohforfoxsake Wed 27-Feb-13 21:04:47

I feel slightly anxious watching this - I've got an 11 yo and a sense if time flying .

BarnYardCow Wed 27-Feb-13 21:05:24

Yes, will be great to see how they have all changed.

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:05:56

I love this. I've enjoyed watching the series long before I ever thought I'd actually be a parent. It's like watching distant relatives grow up.

XBenedict Wed 27-Feb-13 21:06:58

I love this series.

threepiecesuite Wed 27-Feb-13 21:07:46

Sobbing already at the size of the little triplet.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 21:12:31

Can't believe she was born at 22 weeks! I'm 32 weeks now and telling my bump not to escape yet! I cried too three smile

ouryve Wed 27-Feb-13 21:13:01

I've only been sat down 5 minutes and I'm choked up already.

I love Helena. She has such a fantastic mind.

bluebump Wed 27-Feb-13 21:13:04

I love this programme, I love catching up with them all.

MirandaWest Wed 27-Feb-13 21:13:34

I'd forgotten this was on - thank you for starting the thread smile

BertieBotts Wed 27-Feb-13 21:14:17

shock they're older than I was when it started! Must iPlayer this later smile

MrsSJG Wed 27-Feb-13 21:15:54

What a lovely boy Parys is

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:16:35

It's such a fascinating show!

Picturesinthefirelight Wed 27-Feb-13 21:19:09

Makes you wonder if we create some if our problems. Parys as a toddler knew he couldn't run off. I spent half my life chasing ds round shops.

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:20:11

I remember when Parys was about 8 and how difficult he was. He's grown into such a lovely boy. As for Helena it is amazing that someone who was supposed to end up so brain damaged is clearly so clever.

DIddled Wed 27-Feb-13 21:23:26

Loving it! Parys mum is amazing! And I forgot about the triplets- made me cry!!!

ProphetOfDoom Wed 27-Feb-13 21:25:13

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HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 21:25:33

Yes for a 22 seeker with such awful prospects Helena is simply amazing.

Parys is such a lovely boy. She's done a fantastic job smile

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 21:25:59

Wonder if any of the parents are MNers!

Picturesinthefirelight Wed 27-Feb-13 21:26:40

Statistically I reckon at least one must be.

Parys is lovely smile

Groovee Wed 27-Feb-13 21:30:41

We couldn't apply for this as your due date had to be before 31st of January and then dd arrived on the 25th of January. Would have loved to see her grow through this.

idiot55 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:31:16

love this programme, ben watching it since it began.

amazing

They remind me of my grandparents - so lucky to still have them

ProphetOfDoom Wed 27-Feb-13 21:32:41

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GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:32:51

I've always liked Rhianna!

idshagphilspencer Wed 27-Feb-13 21:32:53

Sobbing now

Bakingnovice Wed 27-Feb-13 21:33:36

The grandparents story has me bawling. What's truly amazing lady grandma is.

Meglet Wed 27-Feb-13 21:34:15

aw, blue + red colour coding for the twins.

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 21:34:46

Love the violin duet!

Norem Wed 27-Feb-13 21:35:36

Crying all the way through this

Verycold Wed 27-Feb-13 21:36:49

Sobbing at the grandparents sad

ProphetOfDoom Wed 27-Feb-13 21:37:24

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ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 21:38:26

I taught identical twins who did that!

I'm wondering why they're only showing the very middle class children. Does anyone remember the little lad whose mother found things very difficult? She kind of lurched from relationship to the next and struggled with everything.

Poor old Taliesin sad

IsabelleRinging Wed 27-Feb-13 21:38:46

Bloody hell, Rhianna is 13 going on 33!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 21:39:20

Rhianna was like that when she was about 6 grin

starfleet Wed 27-Feb-13 21:39:37

DS was a millennium baby so have watched this through the years. Love it!

shallweshop Wed 27-Feb-13 21:40:06

Am too sobbing about the grandparents - my mum and dad no longer alive and it's heartbreaking that my kids won't get the chance to have that kind of wonderful relationship.

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 21:41:25

I think there'll be a broader range Ariel. It's going to take at least a couple of programmes to get through everyone. What I'm surprised about though is that there's only 2 programmes in this series so far as I can tell. Does this mean we won't get any of the research-based developmental stuff there has been in previous series? I think that's a bit of a shame really.

ouryve Wed 27-Feb-13 21:41:45

Taleisin's mum has to be a MNer.

Glad tallieson is happy now smile

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 21:42:39

Uh-oh. Hormones!

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:43:33

There was supposed to be an update last year that got cancelled. Not sure why but at the time it was rumoured that some were reluctant to continue taking part.

ProphetOfDoom Wed 27-Feb-13 21:43:54

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SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 21:44:22

Jeez. 12 years olds are WAY more self-aware than we were!

iMyself Wed 27-Feb-13 21:45:36

Obviously all of the parents havent continued, I'd say the ones with not so 'good' outcomes did want the attention

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:45:53

Rhianna will always be more mature than her dad.

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 21:46:08

This week's programme apparently is about the transition to secondary school. Next week's is about changes to families. So perhaps one of the reasons that these children are on tonight is that there's generally been more stability than for some of the other families, who might be in next weeks?

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:46:20

Matthew's grandparents are incredible.

I was thinking how world savvy and self aware etc they are at 12!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 21:46:34

Rie the Mum who had long dark hair and had a boy? The parents split up. They continued for a while but I think she chose to pull out.

Megan has always made me smile and continues to!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 21:49:26

It was a mixed race woman and her child (lone parent). She had been in care when she was a child herself. She was lovely, but chaotic. There was one moving episode when she found her long lost brother and sister. I used to worry about them blush

EmmaDale Wed 27-Feb-13 21:50:02

William has amazing dimples. Mind you, they're all fab - I love Rhianna and I'm glad Taliesin is happier. Parys seems a lovely lad too.

I'm glad he stood his ground and decided to stop playing, I remember last series he really wasn't enjoying it but was being pushed

She's not happy being a sahm is she!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 21:52:46

The ones I'm thinking of we're Carol and her little boy James?

EllenJaneisstillnotmyname Wed 27-Feb-13 21:53:07

Just saw this on active threads. thanks, LisaD! thanks My DS2 was born just before the millennium and I've always loved watching this. It's bittersweet because DS2 has ASD and has never reached the milestones when these DC have. Now recording the series.

idshagphilspencer Wed 27-Feb-13 21:53:23

This is so poignant.

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:53:31

He was called James and his mum was called Carol. I think he had an older sister. There was also Toni who had a daughter Charlie at 16. I used to worry about Taliesin, Ethan and Reuben.

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:53:32

I assume her dh's farming life made her wish to have a career difficult. Clearly they have a nice lifestyle and can afford private school fees but she does seem haunted by what she thinks she missed.

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:54:23

Didn't Reuben become a chorister at Westminster Abbey?

iMyself Wed 27-Feb-13 21:54:57

She's never really been happy deep down has she.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 21:55:09

Carol, that's it! Thanks. I wonder how they're doing.

idshagphilspencer Wed 27-Feb-13 21:55:20

He's a vet i think.

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:55:30

I always remember the one where Talieson was being bullied and his mum was so desperate that she got a job as a dinner lady so she could keep an eye on him at lunchtime. So upsetting.

I keep crying at the mums and how proud they all are.

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 21:56:25

Yes I think Reuben did - but didn't his mum keep changing partners?

difficultpickle Wed 27-Feb-13 21:56:46

Ivo and Alex's parents don't seem to have aged at all.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 21:58:19

What a negative an individual way of looking at your child's progress. Constant loss...

The coverage is a lot less balanced now. I think a lot of them have dropped out.

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Wed 27-Feb-13 21:59:22

Thank you for starting the thread, I've missed tonights, but will watch it on demand and record the rest of the series! Thanks again.

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:00:20

I think they have only done 2 shows. I find all the children and families fascinating!

Bakingnovice Wed 27-Feb-13 22:00:40

Oh dear wills mum seems desperately unhappy.

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 22:00:50

Next one is tomorrow! Don't miss it.

There seemed to be more of the others next week - unsure whether that's all of the original children?

ComeAlongPond Wed 27-Feb-13 22:00:57

Is it available online? I really want to see it!

gymboywalton Wed 27-Feb-13 22:02:28

yes carol and james wwre the family that i would love an update on
one of the last ones i saw was when she was going to a women's refuge beause of a violent partner and james had to leave his toys behind-it was heartbreaking

my son is a millenium baby and so we always watch this and compare and contrast!

Horsemad Wed 27-Feb-13 22:02:39

Will looks like my DS2 smile gorgeous dimples and smile!

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 22:02:46
GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:02:53

I expect it's on I player.

Are the previous series available online anywhere?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 22:05:17

I remember when the children were toddlers, or even babies, and William's mum was describing how she had always struggled with shyness and how much she thought it had held her back. She was very worried he would end up the same. The programme did a test to show if a baby/toddler was shy or not (I think it involved showing them a lion mask or something), and if the child laughed and reached out to it, they were outgoing and if the child cried or looked upset, they were shy. William burst into tears!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 27-Feb-13 22:06:16

I imagine in that case there may be some protection issues with Carol and James and they can't be on it any more.

I so hope they're alright.

GW297 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:11:04

I think you can watch them all online. I feel sad for William's mum.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 27-Feb-13 22:13:59

according to Wikipedia Carol's ex ran off with James, presumably she felt it safer not to be filmed any more sad I really hope they're ok. She really loved her kids and that was always apparent.

I was wondering about James too, hope he's alright.
I think tomorrow's will cover the one with the Buddhist dad, and the one with the Christian mum who died (she had me blubbing last timesad)

I can't find them anywhere! I'm usually really good at finding stuff online as well!

BlackAffronted Wed 27-Feb-13 22:20:28

there seems to be a lot of families missing, which is a great shame sad there were 2 charlottes, one whose mum would just ignore her and the baby had no connection to her when they did one of their tests. then there was the jewish family, and the one with surviving triplets. also the mum with 4 boys, was it? and the irish boy who had adhd. of course, poor james and his sister bernie sad there were 25 families to start with, appears to be around 10 now.

gymboywalton Wed 27-Feb-13 22:24:53

the irsih boy broke my heart
do you remember how his mum would leave him crying in the cot for hours and hours?

Well Alex & Ivo's dad has depressed the shit out if me with all the "childhood is loss" stuff grin

It's funny, some if the kids I recognised immediately but I didn't recognise Taliesin or William at all.

Looking forward to tomorrow's instalment and desperately wracking my brains for someone I haven't seen yet. What was the name of the little boy whose parents' relationship was breaking down and he was filmed sat in his high chair absolutely frozen. It was the strangest thing because he was so young, too young to be affected by it all some people would say. I've never forgotten it.

Wasn't Reuben the one who won a scholarship to boarding school? Really can't remember the last time we saw Carol & James. Also remember a mum who left her daughter's father and started a job with the police - was it her who pulled out?

iMyself Wed 27-Feb-13 22:26:50

There were more children at the end, the bit outside thier front doors, so maybenext one?

gymboywalton That was Ethan wasn't it, Belfast family? His mum had suffered a late miscarriage (or miscarriages?) and was horribly depressed.

SavoirFaire Wed 27-Feb-13 22:28:03

I think the triplets are on tomorrow - they were shown a few times throughout the programme but not featured tonight. I think I might have spotted the Irish boy as well and a few others who I expect will be on more tomorrow. I used to really love the developmental research and it made Robert Winston's involvement make more sense. Now he seems to just be a front man and it's more just a human interest thing rather than showing insights into child development.

gymboywalton Wed 27-Feb-13 22:30:23

yes to ethan

happystory Wed 27-Feb-13 22:32:31

And is this the same series that had the family who emigrated or went back to New Zealand and the boy had dwarfism, a lovely family

gwenniebee Wed 27-Feb-13 22:37:18

I'm fascinated by this programme, but would be interested to have seen more updates on more of the families too.

Those lovely grandparents had me in tears as well sad

I quite sympathised with Alex and Ivo's father - my dd is only 7mo but I really feel time whizzing and, while I'm learning that the love just keeps growing, at the same time it makes me feel a bit sad when I'm packing up her really tiny newborn clothes and stuff. So altough he seemed a bit negative, I kind of get what he was saying.

happystory No, that's Channel 4's Born To Be Different.

lisad123everybodydancenow Wed 27-Feb-13 22:47:03

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Marking my place to remind myself to iplayer it.

I remember reading about this when it was first on, but I didn't have a TV. When I started working with children and families I remembered it and tried to do a bit of research. I think it's a shame that the previous episodes aren't somewhere to watch (someone please prove me wrong?)

FayKnights Wed 27-Feb-13 22:57:55

My eldest was born in 2000 and turns 13 in less than 2 weeks, I got really tearful watching this tonight, mainly realising that my baby is going to be a teenager!
It's great to see the kids on it develop from the start, how lucky the parents are to have such an amazing documentary on their children.

BlackAffronted Wed 27-Feb-13 23:44:46

trying to remember other families. there was calvin, whose mum was really sick during her pregnancy. a wee boy who was diabetic. the girl whose mum died sad sad the red haired triplets. the really young mum who had a daughter called charlie, I think she was training to become a nurse?

lisad123everybodydancenow Wed 27-Feb-13 23:55:10

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Aw I missed this tonight. I've watched every programme since it came out as ds was born in late 1999 and I found it interesting comparing his development to theirs.

LIZS Thu 28-Feb-13 08:19:03

Rhianna came across amazingly well - how articulate and clued up an individual is she ! Helena is delightful. Felt the programme was little less coherent than in the past , perhaps because they have allocated less time so can't explore through the psychology side of it fully. Also now they are already in second year of secondary it feels as if this should have been done at 11 to explore the transition.

tiggytape Thu 28-Feb-13 09:26:42

DS was a millennium baby too and I love watching this over the years. I am missing the 'science bit' this time round though.

PolkadotCircus Thu 28-Feb-13 09:43:19

I always liked William's mum,think she's come on a lot and grown herself.She seems a lot more confident although her tears re her career upset me,sooooooo know how she feels.

HighBrows Thu 28-Feb-13 09:43:55

I've always watched this and love it. I always feel so emotional watching as it is a real slice of human life.

The old couple, Matthew's grandparents, had me crying it was so well done and so touching.

I reckon tonight and next week will be more about the psychology side of things as last night was like a reintroduction to these wonderful kids.

HighBrows Thu 28-Feb-13 09:45:31

Yes and Williams mum broke my heart, she was so honest about the decisions she's had to made. I think she's a great mum and I hope she can and does go back to her law career.

skratta Thu 28-Feb-13 10:03:13

We were watching as my DTDs were Millenium babies (in fact, born two days after New Year) . It was very interesting, but my DDs did...comment a lot. Basically, she'd comment in everything, when someone mentioned going into town, she went 'it looks like a village, mum!' because going into town is New York for us and her. And when she saw a girl sitting on the fence after writing, she sighed, and said, 'if the free riding lessons had gone n, I could be doing that, sitting on a fence, talking.'

It's really interesting, and most are very world aware and mature, and seem like great children/teenagers.

thaliablogs Thu 28-Feb-13 10:56:30

I was glued to this last night and even managed to get DH to watch it with me, it is not his sort of programme. I wrote to the BBC and complained 2 years ago when there were rumours it had been cancelled. I agree it is a huge lost opportunity to not continue with the research aspect. These 2 programmes are a great update but have not exactly advanced the science in anyway.

If I could persuade the BBC to fund it properly I would!

I do think we will see most if not all of the other children tonight, certainly Ethan , Rebecca, the triplets, Charlotte, Tyrese and Eve - we saw glimpses of all of them last night. I did not catch a glimpse of Reuben or James, I do hope they are also featured. Like the participants in 7-up I feel a huge sense of connection to these children - weird!

Merrylegs Thu 28-Feb-13 11:07:52

I really enjoyed this last night. Watched with my Millennium DD - who said 'wow, Parys is HOT'. I think that kind of summed up the teenager she is about to become...... hmm

Oodsigma Thu 28-Feb-13 11:51:35

Watching on iplsyer at the moment. Dd1 was a millenium baby, dd2 is starting secondary this year and I'm having dc4 next week. Plus my Grandad died a few weeks ago so it seems to be a constant cry feat for me blush

gazzalw Thu 28-Feb-13 14:10:58

Yes, our Millenium 'baby' watched, fascinated. He couldn't believe how much more grown up the girls are than the boys. They all seem like lovely, intelligent, insightful children.

Which one do you think was Ethan on the doorstep - the very tall, grown-up looking one?

One of the triplets looks just like her Mum!

blacktaildog Thu 28-Feb-13 15:02:04

must be horrible to be one of these children and have all these people that have opinions on your and your family etc

i dont think the programme is a good idea at all

bit exploitative

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 28-Feb-13 15:09:08

I've always watched this as they're all just slightly older than dd2.... I still find it interesting, but this just seemed more of a catch-up than anything else - I used to like it when they gave the children tests and stuff! I remember the next morning after the 'red dot on the forehead in the mirror' episode doing the same to dd to find out whether she had a sense of self yet! It would be useful to know more about pre-teens in a more scientific/psychological context, rather than just the (admittedly compelling!) stuff about how these individuals are getting along.

I couldn't help thinking that making statements like 'the other children didn't understand Taliesen because he didn't operate on their very basic level' might not be helpful... Parys looks about 15, and very very cool! Rhianna scared me in a way: so much contrived hardness about her that makes me sad when I see it in my own 2. We didn't seem to see a lot of Helena, just a few glimpses - maybe she'll be in more focus next week? And I want to see Eve, whose mother died and the school made her choose her Feeling from the Feelings board, only you weren't allowed 'Sad', you had to choose 'I Don't Know' hmm.

HighBrows Thu 28-Feb-13 16:04:29

Blacktaildog I don't think this programme is one bit exploitative. It's made in conjunction with Open University and I'm sure the programme makers follow very strict ethical guidelines. Which is why there are never repeats of this show and why you (probably) can't get it on boxset.

Each scene that is shown is done with careful consideration and with respect for the participants and their families.

Would you want to grow up, having all these people with opinions on you,your family the way you were raised?

HighBrows Thu 28-Feb-13 16:49:02

Yes Whiteandyellowiris I think it's a wonderful almost photo diary for the kids to look back on when they are older.

HighBrows Thu 28-Feb-13 16:50:32

Also this programme's made within the context of social studies and psychology.
It shows the highs and lows of living and family life. Also it takes a snap shot of Britain at the turn of the 21st century.

BlackAffronted Thu 28-Feb-13 17:06:31

I got so upset last night, watching it. My DD is also a millenium baby, and it has made face up to the fact she is no longer my baby sad They all seemed so grown up, and she is too, and it makes me sad. Doesnt help I listened to the song "slipping through my fingers" from Mamma Mia as well! <blubbering mess>

Yes fair enough a private video album, but such a public one?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 28-Feb-13 19:29:42

Well they would have been told in advance what the series entailed. And some od the families have dropped out so presumably there is a get out clause?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 28-Feb-13 19:31:11

The kids that participate don't seem to be unhappy about being filmed. Like Ariel says they're have been people who dropped out.

they children may well feel pissed off about it when they are older

gazzalw Thu 28-Feb-13 20:00:29

I would have thought it might become more of an issue as the children get older though because they will be more easily recognised when out and about....

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Thu 28-Feb-13 20:02:01

But they are older now. And they will have asked them whether they wanted to be in it again. Presumably some of the children said no, which is why they are no longer in the series.

It's a sensitively handled and very non judgemental programme. They bend over backwards not to skew the edit I think. In previous series, where's Carol's life and her son James's was like a slow motion car crash, there was never, ever a hint of bias or judginess or opinion.

lol
non judgemtal programme, hmm watched by non judgemental people too eh?

also 11 year old children cannot be expected to decide if this is in their long term interest

manicinsomniac Thu 28-Feb-13 20:19:47

Very interesting. I was really struck by how young a lot of the children seemed. I don't have a child that age so maybe it's just that they're different in their home environment but the Y7 and Y8s that I teach seem so much older somehow. Matthew, Taliesin, William and Megan in particular seemed very much like little children (maybe 9/10) to me.

Other stuff I thought:
Matthew (and his older brother) have the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. What a gorgeous shade of blue.
Helena was quite irritating
Rhianna and her parents horrified me. Her mum was incredibly condescneding and cruel to her dad and she just seemed hard and far too adult. Very sad.
William's mum can say she's achieved everything she wanted to as much as she likes but she came across as full of regret and very unhappy.
It had a very white middle class bias.

idiot55 Thu 28-Feb-13 20:21:32

its intersting comparing it to 7UP, the last one of those was so interesting from the point of view of how the kids/ adults felt being involved in t over the years.

Hesterton Thu 28-Feb-13 20:49:36

The episode which really stuck in my mind was the one with Tyreese, who was at that time 4 yrs old. His mum spent ages reinforcing a positive sense of identity, taking him to Harlem to tour the past homes of famous Black men and making sure he had a positive sense of who he was.

They did as experiment at his nursery, showing children (one-by-one) pictures of children the same age, different ethnicities. They asked each child who was the clever one, who was the one you'd like to sit beside, who would be the one most likely to get into trouble etc.

The white children picked the white children in the pictures for the good stuff, understandable as they identified with it, but the black children also picked the white children for all the positive things. One asian boy was asked why he had picked a particular boy as being clever, and he said, 'It's cos he's got a white face', and another child, a little black girl, picked another black girl with very similar plaits as the naughtiest child. this continued in a similar vein.

All except Tyreese, who picked the picture of the black boy as the cleverest, the one you'd want to sit beside. He was great! I'd love to know how he is now; hope he's still on it.

eminemmerdale Thu 28-Feb-13 20:56:38

Just watched it on i-player with ds12 who was born March 2000 - some of it really hit home - he is nearly an adult, and he would rather be with his friends than us sad but then I'm proud we have got him to this stage. Just about to watch part 2!

girliefriend Thu 28-Feb-13 21:07:45

Anyone watching tonight?

Just seen the dad crying over the stillborn twin <sob> sad

eminemmerdale Thu 28-Feb-13 21:09:27

Oh yes - I remember this so vividly - Alexander being stillborn sad

Horsemad Thu 28-Feb-13 21:09:49

Very sad sad

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:10:15

Me. Dd is only slightly younger than the kids so I've always found it fascinating but its so sad for the majority.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:11:31

Me. Dd is only slightly younger than the kids so I've always found it fascinating but its so sad for the majority.

GW297 Thu 28-Feb-13 21:12:17

Me. Separation is a difficult one for me to watch though!

lisad123everybodydancenow Thu 28-Feb-13 21:13:17

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the pain of losing a child never goes away
something alot of people don't get

insensitive afetr hes poured his heartout saying how mcuh of a failure he feels to then immediatley show allthese couples with happy marriages saying why a happy marraige is important to children

Groovee Thu 28-Feb-13 21:19:04

Watching with dd again. Nice to see the triplets again.

Horsemad Thu 28-Feb-13 21:20:20

Loving the triplets!

SavoirFaire Thu 28-Feb-13 21:20:30

Love the mum of the triplets. Seems like she has her head really screwed on, which much me tough as a mum to 6! Lovely sense of humour.

Horsemad Thu 28-Feb-13 21:21:31

She's very laid back -gotta be, I guess grin

SavoirFaire Thu 28-Feb-13 21:28:16

much me tough?? confused
must be tough

GW297 Thu 28-Feb-13 21:29:21

The triplets mum is great. The girls, dad, the siblings and grandma all seem great too!

Highlander Thu 28-Feb-13 21:30:25

Interesting that none of the children are coping with the divorces

SavoirFaire Thu 28-Feb-13 21:35:27

Is that true though Highlander? They are all sad about it, which must be normal. But that's not the same as not coping. The effect on Tyrese's behaviour, if his sister is right, I would say is a sign of not coping. Not so sure about the others. They seemed very mature about it to me.

SavoirFaire Thu 28-Feb-13 21:36:03

Charlotte said she loved having older step-siblings for example. And Nathan got on well with his step dad.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:37:27

Is this the mum who was depressed and left her little boy crying in the cot a lot?

Watching Ethan's mum talk about how she felt when he was diagnosed is bringing back memories for me of how emotional the process is. sad

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:38:19

She's gone now, the Irish mum. Was it Nathan the boy, liked his x box?

Charlie looks so like her mum!

Lighthousekeeping Thu 28-Feb-13 21:43:41

I'm glad to see Charlie. Was that the one who's mum went to train as a nurse?

difficultpickle Thu 28-Feb-13 21:45:30

No it was Ethan and his mum is the one who had severe PND.

So impressed at Toni.

Horsemad Thu 28-Feb-13 21:46:09

Well done to Toni, she's done brilliantly.

difficultpickle Thu 28-Feb-13 21:47:16

So far we haven't had any updates on Charlotte, James and Rubin.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:49:40

I'm crying now.

pepperrabbit Thu 28-Feb-13 21:50:14

Me too. sad

MrsSJG Thu 28-Feb-13 21:50:25

Eve sad poor girl

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:50:51

She seems such a lovely, mature girl.

ProphetOfDoom Thu 28-Feb-13 21:51:44

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DomesticCEO Thu 28-Feb-13 21:52:14

She's grown up way too fast sad.

Horsemad Thu 28-Feb-13 21:52:23

Oh God, poor poor girl sad

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 21:53:03

goodness watching eve makes me want to rush upstairs and hug all my children. what a lovely girl, such a beautiful voice.

ShatnersBassoon Thu 28-Feb-13 21:53:05

Yes, she's remarkably mature and eloquent. Her dad must be bursting with pride.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 28-Feb-13 21:53:25

Blubbing like a baby now. Eve is so grown up.

DomesticCEO Thu 28-Feb-13 21:54:18

Her dad is sooo lovely.

GrannyRatOnAScooter Thu 28-Feb-13 21:55:10

What a lovely young girl.

AmandinePoulain Thu 28-Feb-13 21:55:14

This family break my heart, they are truly amazing sad

What a lovely family.

SavoirFaire Thu 28-Feb-13 21:55:45

I remember her being incredibly mature and bright even as a very young girl. Amazing strength.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 28-Feb-13 21:55:57

What a special family sad smile crying here!

GW297 Thu 28-Feb-13 21:56:15

Eve is amazing.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:56:42

They always seem to end with Eve. I can remember a couple of years ago they did, I was blabbing then as it was when we found out her mum had died.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 28-Feb-13 21:56:57

Blubbing not blabbing.

kilmuir Thu 28-Feb-13 21:57:10

Wow. Eve is quite a girl

Siriusstar Thu 28-Feb-13 21:57:19

I hope the programme makers have given Eve a load of footage from over the years with her Mum.

Another one sobbing about Eve. Makes me want to hang on to every minute.

Chippychop Thu 28-Feb-13 21:58:05

Eve's dads done a great job. Her mum must have been some woman

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord Thu 28-Feb-13 21:59:36

Wow Eve she had me blubbing.

She's more mature than me.

Wow she's amazed me. sad

difficultpickle Thu 28-Feb-13 22:00:20

I wish there were more than two programmes in this series. It is such a big change going from being a child to a teenager I feel that they only skimmed the surface. I wonder why the others didn't participate? I assume there may be child protection issues with James but not with Charlotte and Rubin.

difficultpickle Thu 28-Feb-13 22:01:07

I think a lot of how Eve is is down to her mum.

Greensleeves Thu 28-Feb-13 22:01:20

She is really talented, her playing is wonderful

I always had a soft spot for her and her mum when she was little. Such a sharp-witted little girl.

Charlotte (the second Charlotte that is) dropped out. It was mentioned during an episode once.

James and Rubin seem to have just disappeared with no mention, which is sad. It would be nice to have them acknowledged as having dropped out.

gwenniebee Thu 28-Feb-13 22:03:53

Gosh, what a talented young lady Eve is. She is an absolute credit to her dad (and her mum).

Fascinating, again. I wish there were more programmes, too, and more about the psychology/biology of adolescence.

Is it on again tomorrow?
Feels like we were just catching up not properly looking at them iyswim?

Eve is amazing - she's so wise, wiser than me I think!

Oh my word, how proud would Eve's mum be of her, what a lovely lovely girl, dad is doing such a good job, what a great family.

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Lighthousekeeping Thu 28-Feb-13 22:09:20

Which one was Rueben again? I think we saw more this time around then we did before.

I imagine Eve to become an eminent doctor or big in the music world. She's so caring and in tune with everything. A credit to her parents.

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difficultpickle Thu 28-Feb-13 22:11:52

Rubin was the one who became a chorister.

Highlander Thu 28-Feb-13 22:12:07

Eve is an amzing person, really amazing.

I find it shocking that her mum died of renal cancer; obesity is a big risk factor for this and yet the girls are awfully obse sad

drjohnsonscat Thu 28-Feb-13 22:16:10

There is a time for comment and a time when those observations would go better unsaid.

Lighthousekeeping Thu 28-Feb-13 22:16:33

Oh, yes, I remember Rubin now. Who else have we missed? I would have liked to see them adjusting to high school more as its such a big thing preteen.

edam Thu 28-Feb-13 22:17:33

Eve's story had me welling up. I'd forgotten that her mother had died. Poor lass. I imagine the footage from the show is incredibly valuable to her and her sister, as well as her Dad. When she talked about coming home from school and asking if she could take a card to her Mummy...

TheCrackFox Thu 28-Feb-13 22:33:08

I totally sobbed watching Eve. She is an amazing and talented person.

alemci Thu 28-Feb-13 22:35:04

Highlander I must admit I thought the same as you.

poor dad was doing a wonderful job bringing them up.

SoMuchToBits Thu 28-Feb-13 23:11:38

I have been particularly interested in seeing this, as one of the mums on it was my neighbour over the road when I was a child. It's always nice to see how they are getting on.

trice Thu 28-Feb-13 23:53:04

Ruben's mum came on a thread after the last update and told me off. I had been wittering on about pushy parents and boarding schools and being all judge and she quite rightly told me to wind my neck in as she and her family are real people and I didn't know what was really going on. She was very pissed off with Robert Winston if I remember rightly. It was a bit of a wake up call to me that people do read threads about themselves. Especially perhaps twelve year olds who can work Google.

BlackAffronted Fri 01-Mar-13 07:28:24

Trice, does that thread still exist?

trice Fri 01-Mar-13 07:58:25

I couldn't find it in a quick search. I would guess it has been deleted as it talked about real children by their names. We all apologised to the mum though, she was perfectly right to be pissed off.

LIZS Fri 01-Mar-13 08:02:49

Bless Eve, very brave to talk so about such sensitive issues, and felt really sad for Charlie although gp's seemed lovely.

LIZS Fri 01-Mar-13 08:06:05

did we see Calvin's mum but not him ?

We saw Calvin, but barely. He got all of one sentence on screen.

JakeBullet Fri 01-Mar-13 09:59:00

Just watched this on iPlayer....and blubber through the last 10 mins.....poor Eve and how cruel life is. I just felt so sad seeing her Mum so so emotional and excited at the scan .....such a short time to enjoy her much wanted children. Feel she was robbed of the life she should have had with her girls sad

girliefriend Fri 01-Mar-13 11:00:12

I was sobbing by the end, bloody cancer angry so wrong that they lost their mum so young. In a way I felt almost more sorry for the younger daughter as she must have been very little when her mum died so may not remember her at all sad

Think Eve seemed lovely and a credit to her mum and dad.

They didn't talk much about Paris and his mum today, was that in the previous episode? Always thought she was quite inspirational.

snotfunny Fri 01-Mar-13 11:26:14

Just caught up with this on iplayer. Have been watching from the beginning and then was lucky enough to teach one the of the children when they were 7/8. He is doing really well, by the look of it. I love watching these children growing up.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 01-Mar-13 11:26:14

She was on it loads the day before.

ArcticRoll Fri 01-Mar-13 17:35:52

Although it was fascinating catching up I feel the whole slant and tone of the show has become more exploitative and melodramatic.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 01-Mar-13 17:44:08

To be honest, I thought there would be more information about the physical and emotional side to puberty. More scientific, I guess. My DN is about six months behind the children and is abit of a stroppy madam at the moment. My sister and I both thought they would show abit more of what's going during these huge changes but, it wasn't like that at all. Just a jolly good catch up on the families.

Totally agree artic roll

gazzalw Sat 02-Mar-13 10:17:09

I think part of the problem is that they had a lot of children to cram into two hour-long programmes and it's more than a year since we, the viewers, last saw the children, so it was important to reintroduce them properly in their teendom.

When the programme first started I'm pretty sure the updates were in a four/five part series format, so there was a lot more time to explore the physical/psychological pathways of early childhood.

Although the child development stuff was fascinating I really don't think they can continue with the scientific angle now. It would be difficult, if not impossible, to go into the physical/emotional aspects of puberty without a) sounding all GCSE Biology and b) embarrassing the HELL out of the kids. What would they cover? Which girls had started their periods and which boys had pubes? grin

Lighthousekeeping Sat 02-Mar-13 14:25:51

Well, the triplets mum was very clear which one had started her periods smile

GW297 Sat 02-Mar-13 14:47:18

I thought they'd all start about the same time...

Lighthousekeeping Sat 02-Mar-13 14:58:35

Why? I don't think they were identical.

Yes, and I'm sure Mabel was thrilled her mum has told the nation.

GW297 Sat 02-Mar-13 18:51:55

I just did!

diddl Sat 02-Mar-13 19:30:09

Just watched them both on iplayer.

Oh my goodness-Eve.

So mature, so wise.

And the GPs of Matthew(?)-the GM has Parkinsons. How lovely her & the GF were together.

difficultpickle Sat 02-Mar-13 21:13:42

They aren't. She lives in a nursing home not with him. sad

diddl Sun 03-Mar-13 08:12:03

Well yes, I know-I meant the clips of them, obviously.

Were they old clips, I wondered?

GW297 Sun 03-Mar-13 08:43:23

That confused me too.

LIZS Sun 03-Mar-13 12:16:35

Think the reason it seemed deflating was that we are so used to the more superficial reality shows now that expectations of this as a social observation were higher. There were glimpses of what the programme might have been. - William's decision to give up competitive tennis and the impact on his mum, the death of Eve's mum, impact of separation and divorce, Parys dealing with disability etc but less based on the previous psychological observations and whether they had fulfilled the predictions. Were the roles among the triplets the same as when they were younger, how had the dynamics evolved or not. How had their earlier ambitions been shaped by events and maturing. Were the early achievers still achieving . The scope of these programmes seemed lacking and somehow incoherent.

GW297 Sun 03-Mar-13 12:26:48

I would have loved to have found out more about all of those (and many other issues!) too.

ivykaty44 Sun 03-Mar-13 12:31:40

I have enjoyed these programs and seeing the child of our time grow up. For me it was frustrating this time as they seemed to spend so much time with the adults and grandparents and we saw far less of the children - it is the children/teens I wanted to hear from and hear their views on the world whatever those views are.

It seemed especially strange now as these youngsters are much more able to talk for themselves as never before, I could understand this when they were 5 years old but now they are 13 I want to hear from them and what we did hear was lovely.

yes keep the grandparents in but edit it down to a minimum.

IrnBruTheNoo Sun 03-Mar-13 14:08:34

I've just caught up with the first two episodes today! Had no idea it was on, until I had a squint at the Telly Addicts topic area the other day! How many episodes run in the series?

gazzalw Sun 03-Mar-13 14:22:15

I wonder though whether the generational focus was purposeful, especially as some of the grandparents are quite elderly and might not be around for the duration of the 21 year project sad

LIZS Sun 03-Mar-13 14:35:17

true gazzal but neither programme claimed to set out to analyse the benefits of having gps involved or not. A look at the lp/nuclear/extended family set ups might have been insightful.

gazzalw Sun 03-Mar-13 17:28:43

Yes, you are right...I reckon this twosome of episodes was done on the cheap....

IrnBruTheNoo Sun 03-Mar-13 18:30:22

That's a pain, was looking forward to more episodes! Was slightly disappointed that there's only two episodes and felt that all the information was compressed into two 1 hour episodes just did not do the 20 year project much justice. What a shame...

Lighthousekeeping Sun 03-Mar-13 18:37:09

My friend who's mum has Parkinson's was gobsmacked how quickly granny seemed to go into a home sad

They didn't say how bad her symptoms were though, did they?

SoMuchToBits Sun 03-Mar-13 21:22:54

diddl, the GPs of Matthew now sadly live separately, the GF in their home, the GM in a nursing home, so her care needs can be met. They still see each other a lot.

gazzalw Mon 04-Mar-13 07:13:01

Thought the Grandfather looked crestfallen....

The programme was also very heavily weighted in favour of some families/children over others.

Pourquoimoi Mon 04-Mar-13 07:47:15

I agree it's disappointing that there are only two programmes this time. DS was born in late 2000 so by the time this is shown is not far off the age of the kids. Whilst I still like watching it, I do not find it as interesting as I used to be fascinating. I guess it is harder to go into depth on puberty though without the kids refusing to do it.

I did find the overwhelming theme was the parents coming to terms that this is the beginning of the end of childhood and they are sad at having to start the process of letting go. I completely empathise with this, it is a big issue for lots of us.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 04-Mar-13 10:21:28

The programme has always shown more of Parys and Eve. I don't know how it works tbh. I love both of them anyway. After that, it's the vets son and the lad from Northern Ireland. I suppose not everyone has a story to tell. I don't know how it will an out in years to come.

Verycold Fri 08-Mar-13 23:26:04

It went on and on about how their childhood was over. So depressing hmm

difficultpickle Sat 09-Mar-13 10:29:10

I think these days when dcs become teenagers their childhood is over. Teenagers today are so much more grown up and worldly wise than when I was a teenager 30 years ago. The internet, social media and mobile phones have a lot to do with that. When I was growing up we only had tv, radio and a landline phone that wasn't cordless. Far easier for my parents to control what I did, where I went and whom I was friends with.

Horsemad Sat 09-Mar-13 10:40:31

I agree bisjo teenagers these days are so sophisticated compared to my friends and I at the same age (long time ago now!)

I remember my friend's son being taken to Prague for his 18th birthday by his then 17yr old g/f!!

When we were 18, we were just thrilled about being allowed to go to the pub!!!

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