dancing on the edge

(85 Posts)
MrsBucketxx Wed 06-Feb-13 07:31:16

whos been watching it, I have been gripped the last few nights.

I'm still trying to work out what luis has done at the start.

oh and id kill. for all the dresses too.

BooToYouToo Wed 06-Feb-13 11:44:58

I'm a day behind (and missed the start of ep. 1) but I thought it was great and am a little bit in love with Stanley. Think his name was Matthew Goode - what's he been in before, anyone know?

Wasn't Mel Smith a revelation? Wouldn't have recognised him if I hadn't read his name in a preview. Anthony Head was very suave, wonder if there's something lurking under that smooth demeanour?

The dresses were all to die for I agree. The only exception was the girl who was beaten up - she was practically anorexic so looking at her bare arms was pretty uncomfortable.

Also loved the hair and make up - those immaculate red lips.

kitsmummy Wed 06-Feb-13 12:04:41

Oh my goodness, I am loving this programme! What an amazing twist last night with Julian and obviously the previous Masterson situation, I really didn't see that coming. I think it's going to turn out to be quite dark isn't it.

MrsBucketxx Wed 06-Feb-13 13:54:01

yes it is, I might even get the sound track.

the duchess is what I would like to loook like when I'm older.

ShowOfHands Wed 06-Feb-13 14:01:15

I'm very much enjoying it too although it's lacking something atm. I think it's just been on a slow burn and there are some interesting characters who are finally being developed. Julian and Masterson is v well done thus far and I like Stanley in particular. I've no idea where it's going actually which is a nice feeling. It feels well done and not contrived.

And I love the costumes!

bigTillyMint Wed 06-Feb-13 14:37:01

I am loving this too. And so is DH (which is something of a miracle as he never likes stuff I watch!) Loving the music too.

I recognised Mel Smith and John Goodman, and Matthew Goode has been in a few things including Birdsong if you saw it?

Yes, it looks like it's going to get darker...

bigTillyMint Wed 06-Feb-13 14:37:39

And I love the dresses too!

mummylin Wed 06-Feb-13 14:57:44

My brothers step daughter is in this prog.She plays the part of Sara , the girl who was in bed with one of the musicians last night. haven't watched it all yet as we taped it.

bigTillyMint Wed 06-Feb-13 15:02:01

Oh wow, she's really pretty!

mummylin Wed 06-Feb-13 15:18:45

she has worked very hard to get all the parts she has had.She was also in skins and had a part in merlin..also a small part as one of the dancers in the Black swan,which I haven't seen.I would think last night was very uncomfortable watching for my brother ! But she is only acting.And her ex boyfriend who lives in our town is now with Charlie brooks !

MrsBucketxx Wed 06-Feb-13 16:58:42

she is stunning, and so skinny,

id love to look like that.

survivingwinter Wed 06-Feb-13 17:08:04

Loving it! I think it's often a slow burn with Poliakoff - I just love the way every shot would make a beautiful photo!

Just so glad to have something of real quality to watch at last on the beeb! Can't wait to see how it turns out...

bigTillyMint Wed 06-Feb-13 17:21:57

Yes, good to have some real qualitysmile

MrsBucketxx Wed 06-Feb-13 17:29:31

I know I recon it will there will be a twist in the next one too.

kitsmummy Wed 06-Feb-13 18:31:06

Wow, sara's a really big part and she is very beautiful.

The blonde girl is Denise from The Paradise isn't she?

mummylin Wed 06-Feb-13 19:10:57

She is actually painfully thin and is some cause for concern.She does look beautiful but I am used to seeing her in jeans and no makeup ! Her and her ex Bf were at my mums 80th birthday meal.sadly my mum is no longer here but I have all the photos.i will see if I can find photo and put on my profile.

mummylin Wed 06-Feb-13 20:00:49

i am having trouble loading photo.i am using two comps .my old one and a new one.I store my pics on an external drive and because i dont yet know how new one works i have plugged ex drive back in to my old one and now i cant load the photo,any idea anyone ? will ask tech for help

MrsBucketxx Thu 07-Feb-13 07:32:36

does she feel the need to stay thin for her job then?

id miss cake too much.

mummylin Thu 07-Feb-13 10:35:38

I think it all stems from when she was at her drama school.Even when she was bigger she was never fat, she is far too thin now but she is happy as it helps her to get work.its all a crazy world I think. and far too much importance is put on young girls to be thin.but she is a such a hard worker and will fly all over to get an audition for a part.Some she gets ,and of course some she dosent,but I admire her for trying.Its been her dream for many years now.She was the lead role in a prog in USA called jersey girl ,but it was scrapped after only two episodes.Not been shown here but you can find a trailer on You tube.

I'm watching this too. I watched both episodes together. I adore the dresses too.

Wow! Mummylin is it Janet Montgomery we're discussing? She is stunning, so striking. I loved her in Spies of Warsaw

So at the end of the second episode, was it Julian who did that to Jessie because he seemed to love her so it would be odd as he seemed gentle, or was it his boss, who acted very strangely about Julian going to Paris, or am I being a bit dim?! Bear with me, DS2 (6MO) is unwell and I was trying to placate him whilst watching!

MrsBucketxx Thu 07-Feb-13 13:16:58

his boss I think, mr marseden or whatever his name is,

he has form from the first episode.

Thanks! I saw the wrecked hotel room, but wasn't sure if it was the boss or not. Makes sense now and the sister (Pamela) was worried about Julian trying to leave. Was he trying to 'escape' Mr Masterson? So Louis will get the blame for hurting Jessie no doubt as he said he would be angry if he found out she was going out and was actually not ill. I love Chiwetel Ejiofor, fab actor and lovely looking.

Faxthatpam Thu 07-Feb-13 13:27:09

My understanding is that it was Julian, and that he was responsible for the previous attack that Louis helped him clear up. I think his boss knows about Julian's proclivities and was worried he would attack Jessie, so tried v hard to get him to go to Paris... I think that's right?? It is a little obtuse, but I really like that about Poliakoff, keeps you on your toes.

Am loving this one too... love all the visuals - set, make up, hair, fab dresses. Gorgeous. Love the music too. Can't wait for next one... when is it BTW?

Faxthatpam Thu 07-Feb-13 13:30:47

...Or have I got that totally wrong?? Probably! grin.
Also love Chiwetel - swoon.

I think it's on again next Monday at 9pm. I love that the BBC have spent time and money on this rather just having two episodes. I want more of these programmes!

mummylin Thu 07-Feb-13 14:59:57

yes it is Janet ! I am going to scan the photo, and try and get it on here that way.I think by moving all my photos the files that go with them are now missing so will try that way.

mummylin Thu 07-Feb-13 17:56:58

cant get the photo on but if anyone wants it pm your email address

mummylin Fri 08-Feb-13 11:26:55

Thanks to help from tech the photo is now on my profile.

MrsBucketxx Fri 08-Feb-13 13:43:10

she is even stunning in normal life.

btw your twins are gorgeous, made me very very broody again.

mummylin Fri 08-Feb-13 17:20:59

Not my twins ,my sisters who are 1 years old today !!

I second what MrsBucket said, very gorgeous girl.

MrsBucketxx Mon 11-Feb-13 07:44:39

its back on tonight yay.

kitsmummy Mon 11-Feb-13 21:09:17

It's on!

I'm sure it was Julian? wasn't it?

Clawdy Mon 11-Feb-13 22:55:48

Odd thing is,why did he turn and call out to Louis at the top of the corridor,instead of hurrying off?

MrsBucketxx Tue 12-Feb-13 07:15:19

I think its julian now too, poor louis is going to be framed for it sad

There is an odd relationship between Mr Masterson and Julian. They seem to have a hold over each other. I'm still not sure which of the two hurt Jessie. Yes, poor Louis will be framed.

fussychica Thu 14-Feb-13 15:58:45

Like it but it's soooooo slow.

GeorginaWorsley Thu 14-Feb-13 21:07:09

Love this programme,the clothes.the music.the make up....
Jacqueline Bisset beautiful as ever.
I think maybe Masterson Julian in it together.
Poor Louis.

comeonbishbosh Thu 14-Feb-13 21:33:16

I'm loving it, didn't even notice it was slow which seems a fairly common complaint. But then I'm living in the twilight zone that is looking after a 3 week old, so anything outside of that seems positively dashing.

comeonbishbosh Thu 14-Feb-13 21:37:06

Yes, agree the clue is in the Masterson / Julian weird relationship. Can't decide whether Julian is setting up girls for Masterson, or visa versa.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 00:26:44

Just want to say, I love this programme! Best thing on TV in ages

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 00:31:22

And I don't think it's slow at all -well maybe the first episode was a little. It's such a rare treat to be able to immerse yourself in a story and characters for long enough to really care. I love the original Brideshead Revisited for that reason and it's all too rare these days. Bravo Stephen Polliokov!

As for slow, what was that god awful thing recently with Benedict Cumberpatch and Miss Whiplash (or whatever that suffragette's name was). THAT was slow. DH wanted to slit his wrists after watching one, and I wasn't far behind him.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 00:36:36

I don't think it was actually Julian who Louis saw. I think he's been framed to look like he's lying.

comeonbishbosh Sat 16-Feb-13 02:09:23

Ooo, interesting theory gaelicsheep! May have to go back and check, his voice is quite distinctive. But 'they' didn't know Louis was coming back early, so seems unlikely they would have set up a decoy?

Also, what does Pamela know? Her weepy concern for her little brother seemed a little more oTT and specifically triggered than a general concern for his well being.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 14:28:38

I may be too fond of conspiracy theories! But it is the fact that we very pointedly did NOT see him in close-up, and Louis saw him down the corridor. I think we're at least supposed to wonder.

comeonbishbosh Sat 16-Feb-13 20:07:17

Yes true. It was suspiciously long distance and vague.

MrsBucketxx Sun 17-Feb-13 10:57:22

I really hope its mr masterdon, he is just very odd and seems to pull all the strings imo.

teejwood Mon 18-Feb-13 22:18:38

Oh a thread! Have been watching this avidly for weeks and just thought to search for a thread <doh>. This is so not slow - the standing joke between DP and myself is that it is positively break-neck speed for a Poliakoff!

Agree with the theory that Julian was the aggressor all along - and that Masterson has a mahossive crush on him and will get him out of anything and everything, whatever it takes.

Also - maybe I'm just too suspicious - but is it possible that Masterson himself is a con artist and not as wealthy as he makes out? It wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing turned out to be a house of cards and the deception only needs to last as long as it takes Masterson to get himself and Julian out of there.

Poor Louis sad

fussychica Tue 19-Feb-13 20:39:22

I think Anthony Head's character is going to land up being the baddieshock.

Let's hope the final episode picks up the pace a bit and isn't the usual let down that BBC drame/ thrillers endings so often are.

gaelicsheep Tue 19-Feb-13 21:43:54

Fussychica - there were some suggestions of that this week weren't there? But I'd like to think it was a bit too obvious because of the pointers. I agree most dramas turn out to be damp squibs in their final episode.

Anthony Head's character was in the hotel the night of the murder and then he was going to help Louis, but the lawyer never turned up and Louis was locked in the kitchen 'so the children wouldn't disturb you' is what Sara said. hmm

So it could be Anthony Head, Julian or Mr Masterson. Three suspects.

I love Poliakoff. Did anyone else watch Glorious 39 and Spies in Warsaw? I really enjoyed those. Makes such a change from the usual dross.

BooToYouToo Wed 20-Feb-13 11:38:10

I said at the beginning that Anthony Head's character was a bit too smooth so could well be covering something up.

However having caught up with the last episode I now wonder whether it was Pamela as she was acting rather unhinged at being left out. Also the chess-playing scene demonstrated how close they were. She was desperate for Julian to catch his train, maybe to get him out of the way while she did the deed?

Can anyone remember where she was when the attack happened?

Pamela was in the hotel too with AH's character, she was all peculiar about Julian leaving. Yes, she could be another suspect. She is a lost soul and she only has Julian really so could have felt threatened by Jessie.

gaelicsheep Wed 20-Feb-13 13:16:17

I think she knows, and she knows Julian was "supposed" to be on the train as part of his alibi, but I don't think Pamela did it.

comeonbishbosh Wed 20-Feb-13 16:23:54

Yes, Anthony Head's character def looking higher on the list of suspects. I was remembering that he also failed to come through for the band when their manager was deported (ep. 1 or 2), was wondering if that was going to be relevant. But a bit confused why AH would want to killJessie or frame Louis. Whereas with a Masterston - Julian combo there seems to be more of a need for power / control thing going on.

And what about the transvestive looking 'fan' the camera keeps focusing on? Slightly odd that this character hasn't been allowed to develop if they are involved, but a lot of emphasis on him if he's only going to be a rather lame red herring.

Is it the final episode next week?

comeonbishbosh Wed 20-Feb-13 16:29:18

As for motives, my prime suspect is clearly MrsBucketxx who stated in the OP that she would "kill for the dresses".

RedToothBrush Wed 20-Feb-13 18:52:41

But a bit confused why AH would want to killJessie or frame Louis

Why was he at the German Embassy? Just a thought.

I think Masterston isn't guilty. Mainly because there has been too much emphasis on him being weird.

Equally same goes for Julian really.

I think Pamela is perhaps the other suspect - her brother's train / not on the train thing could be covering up for her. She doesn't seem to have approved of inter racial relationships (both Lester and Jessie's). Their parents harbour very strong racist views which she may also have but covers up, because she has this weird relationship with her brother. And again the strange women in the bedroom. What if it was Julian with her and she went mad and jealous over that too...

diddl Sat 23-Feb-13 19:38:06

I´m only just watching ep1, & tbh, after Louis saw the hotel room & the girl, I don´t understand why they all went on Masterson`s train picnic.

limitedperiodonly Sun 24-Feb-13 18:10:02

I'm very impressed by all the sleuths on here. I never guess anything right. It didn't help that I was tired when I saw the first two episodes so missed loads.
I know it's on iplayer but I read this hoping to catch up.

Up to date now. Still have no idea whodunnit. Good though, isn't it?

diddl Sun 24-Feb-13 18:14:57

I´m curious to know who did it & why, but it's not really gripping me.

They all have nothing to do but be where the band is playing.

How/why were they all invited to the German Embassy??!!

And what has happened to Wesley??

And Julian is so fucking annoying!

I loved Perfect Strangers though.

limitedperiodonly Sun 24-Feb-13 18:26:56

They all have nothing to do but be where the band is playing

You might have a point or several there diddl.

I've just come back to say the dinner party in the cowshed/pighut would have been freezing in those gorgeous dresses and the ginormous windchime would have clanged away all night. It's a bit nitpicky, but...

diddl Sun 24-Feb-13 18:37:51

Oh yes-the pigplace in a flimsy dress-on NYE!

When they´d been freezing in the house when they stayed over!

I'm still wondering about Julian-whether he got his alibis organised even though it wasn´t him iyswim?

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 24-Feb-13 20:49:00

I do think Julian did it but caught a plane instead on the train. his friends will have backed him up just as he did when he helped sort out the girl in the trashed room.

Or it could be someone else... grin

I am loving it too!

diddl Sun 24-Feb-13 21:24:14

And the thing with Donaldson-did he call the police?

And now that everyone is working for Masterson??!!

Clawdy Mon 25-Feb-13 22:55:34

Just watched the end. I've been gripped throughout,although tonight's was a bit drawn out - Louis moving from place to place - and the acting has been wonderful,love to see so many new faces. But I felt a little let down by the end,not sure why,perhaps wanting a final twist.

MrsBucketxx Tue 26-Feb-13 07:18:09

I was expecting a twist too,

the locations have made me giggle throughout, the village was the black country museum, and at the train station both of them where the sevenvalley at Kidderminster, I felt like saying I know its bad love your in kiddy when she was crying lmao.

I was convinced it was mr materson all the way through, but it was more simple than that.

both are close to where I live

survivingwinter Tue 26-Feb-13 09:48:55

Ok so did anyone else feel the ending was ambiguous?

Yes Julian confessed but surely most of the others were implicated by some degree or other. Maybe I'm reading too much into it!!

In a way, the murder was secondary to the web of complicated friendships and strangeness.

Still want to know what all the odd groupie type people had to do with the story...

diddl Tue 26-Feb-13 15:18:35

Odd really-everyone ended back as they were after the promise of so much from Masterton!

So Masterton & Donaldson were both acquiring young boys-or were both in on the coverup?

And Lady Cremone ignoring Stanley at the end?

So she only had anything to do with him because she thought she had to?

Disappointing overall, I think.

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 15:22:59

Lady Cremone had pride. She didn't like the fact that Stanley was right and she was wrong... and she protected her 'class' ahead of her friends.

Masterton & Donaldson both protected their own again (both Masons?) so were in on the cover up.

Pamela was a nice surprise though.

I wasn't disappointed. I liked the ending...

diddl Tue 26-Feb-13 15:44:21

In what way was Pamela a nice surprise?

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 15:50:47

That she stuck by her friends more than anyone else, when everyone looked at her and thought she was the stupid, worthless dumb upperclass twit. She was the only one who showed themselves to be worth knowing in the end and didn't look after no1.

diddl Tue 26-Feb-13 15:56:58

Oh I see what you mean.

And ultimately chose helping them rather than being with Julian.

I guess a lot of it pissed me off-the detective threatening Sarah & her telling where they were.

Pretending he was a servant!

I quite liked the secretary-Rose?

But I just loathed Julian the whole time so was quite glad when he shot himself.

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 16:06:06

But don't you think that the police threatening Sarah and pretending he was a servant was probably more realistic for the period than the alternative though. It wasn't nice to see Lester betrayed by people who he thought accepted him, especially from those who suggested they understood prejudge. One of the themes of the serious was where Lester said about its surprising were prejudice came from, and it was often from places you wouldn't expect. Very sad all round really.

And perhaps a message we should be thinking about in 2013...

diddl Tue 26-Feb-13 16:19:18

Maybe, although I don't know a lot about the period.

I thought that he was supposed to be well known.

So I find the thought of him being unrecognisable due to being dressed as a servant insulting iyswim.

But then I suppose it depends who they were mixing with at that point.(wasn´t taking much notice by then)

I suppose the other point was that none of them were really accepted-they were all "dancing on the edge"

And of course Louis committed the absolute faux pas of saying that he had seen Julian, which was never going to be acceptable.

Clawdy Tue 26-Feb-13 16:20:43

True RedToothBrush And won't we all miss the gorgeous Louis....wink

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 16:28:21

The band weren't well known outside certain circles. They were watched by high society, but didn't mix with them as such. They were headline news BECAUSE of the murder. You are also forgetting another point. We live in a visual media saturated world. Materson's vision for Musical Express was to put photos in the news as they didn't exist at the time. So unless you were in the right circle, even if you had heard of Lester's name or heard his music on the wireless, it doesn't mean you would know what he LOOKED like. Not to mention, if you think about very racist and ignorant comments about 'all blacks looking the same' which unfortunately didn't die out too long ago, that also would put a different slant on things.

It makes sense to 'hide in plain sight' in that context, if you know what I mean.

I think its very easy to apply our modern day views and perceptions on the world on the story.

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 16:29:33

I'm really sad its ended actually. I wanted to know what happened to Louis next. Did he make it a success in the US?!

diddl Tue 26-Feb-13 17:46:38

Well for me it started off really well.

I watched the first 3 back to back on iplayer & loved it.

Then it went downhill for me.

And I didn´t really care what happened to anyone-just wanted to know whodunnit!

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 17:55:04

The first three episodes focused a lot more on the music and performance. The last two were about the aftermath and didn't have that in, which was what really drew me in and got me excited about the series in the first place. So do get where you are coming with, with that.

I got the impression that Julian was 'used' from a young age by Masterson and that Donaldson used him too, or certainly knew about it.

I was pleased that Pamela came through in the end.

I was sad about the police threatening to deport Sara and her father and that her relationship with Louis ended. I also wanted to see what happened to Louis. I would have liked to see him successful in the States, where he was headed.

RedToothBrush Tue 26-Feb-13 18:13:43

Yeah that did seem to be implied but not explicitly said LittleAbruzzenBear

Clawdy Wed 27-Feb-13 16:13:01

What was the significance of the strange woman who kept appearing once in each episode? think it was her walking a dog as Louis was escaping in last one. Was she just a red herring?

diddl Wed 27-Feb-13 16:20:17

No idea, Clawdy

I have just rewatched Perfect Strangers-omg, I still love it!

Will now watch Shooting the Past to restore my faith that Poliakoff has done some good stuff!

IndridCold Thu 28-Feb-13 22:49:47

Agree this was not his best, but even so I did enjoy it. I feel it could have benefitted from being shorter though - three episodes would have been fine IMO.

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