Lost interest in Mr Selfridge

(158 Posts)
PenelopePisstop Sun 03-Feb-13 21:08:23

and the rest of them to be honest. Can't say I like any of the characters and I think the acting is EIT wooden or obvious in an amateur dramatic way.

Boomeringue Mon 04-Feb-13 10:56:57

I know what you mean. It looked so promising,but I don't much care what happens to any of them. Downton,it aint.

wildfig Mon 04-Feb-13 11:08:22

I know - I'm the same. And yet it was so promising - the hats! The shops! The magnificent hair! The hats again! The shots of Oxford Street with no buses on!

I think part of the problem, for me anyway, is that it feels rather cynically made for the US export market. The Brits are all either stiff upper lip idiots or Gawd 'Elp Us Diamond Geezers, or - shock horror - bohemian artists who don't give a damn for society's attitudes. And the writing couldn't be more signposted if it had little indents saying 'Coming up Next: Harry's Meaningful Flashback' or 'Next: Agnes Will Have to Choose' in the top corner.

I read the book it's based on a while ago, and I know what's going to happen next. Well, what happens next in Real Life. I think I can probably guess what's going to happen next with the made-up characters too.

TomArchersSausage Mon 04-Feb-13 11:22:58

Lol grin at your post Wildfig and agree with all you've said.

There's nothing nicer than a la-di-dah Sunday night drama (I'm agog at the hats/hair too) But it's becoming a bit of a chore to watch and the clanging great hints at things are becoming somewhat deafening. It does have a made for US tv vibe to it. I couldn't put my finger on it but yes that's what it is alright. There's no subtlety to it at all.

I'm finding the bloke who plays Harry - that roll up, roll up expansive showman style - very grating and his portrayal last night of getting drunk terribly unconvincing.

And Mrs Selfridge's hair is always slightly messy and falling down compared to the other women's hair. Another clanging great hint that she's a bit arty and runs with the bohemian set I assumehmm

I must say that Katherine Kelly as Lady Loxley is good though. She can't hold it together all alone though.

TomArchersSausage Mon 04-Feb-13 11:28:39

And sorry but that painting was just dreadful. If I'dve been Harry the quality of that painting would have upset me 10x more than any shenanigans Mrs S might've been up to.

wildfig Mon 04-Feb-13 11:33:21

Every time Harry strides purposefully down those stairs in Selfridges, followed by his four main henchmen, and all the staff spread out around him in perfect arcs, I keep expecting him to burst out into a chorus of 'It's a Hard Knock Life' or similar.

TomArchersSausage Mon 04-Feb-13 11:36:54

grin

Actually this thread may have improved my enjoyment of the series no end and not for the right reasons. I'll now be watching out for the unintentionally awful/funny bits!

wildfig Mon 04-Feb-13 12:15:59

Don't. I find myself drawn to it every Sunday while I do the ironing, even though the ironing is more textured and intriguing than the acting onscreen. I play a game with myself about guessing where the ad break will come - you can almost hear the silent 'dun dun DER!' in your head beforehand.

What I don't understand is that Rose Selfridge was actually a pretty successful property developer in her own right before she married Harry, so presumably wasn't the wilty, easily tousled martyr she's being portrayed as here. Ironically, that's the sort of apparently anachronistic characteristic most dramatists would have made up to create a more interesting dynamic.

You can only imagine what the script development meetings were like.

poozlepants Mon 04-Feb-13 12:25:30

We have been watching it for a laugh. Jeremy Piven seems to think acting consists of jazz hands, shouting and squinting your eyes a lot when you need to convey emotion. It's hilarious. There are good actors in this but they are woefully underused because the script is so painfully plodding.

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 12:29:39

wildfig you are making me laugh.

I only watched one episode before I gave up in exasperation but wish I had kept up with it now just for the larfs.

I loathe Downton as well, so perhaps this kind of crap show will never work with me.

I can't stand those TV tricks they use to convey emotion or whatever. It's like in the Killing (Danish one) - one of the best TV shows I have ever seen but i hated the clinky piano music which came one whenever Sarah Lund made some amazing connection/spotted something no other cop had seen/solved some element of the crime.

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 12:31:31

Nothing will ever top the House of Eliott though for sheer mind numbing plot development.

"Oh my goodness Evie, we have lost that shipment of morocco leather buttons, the Duchess of Caernarvon's ballgown will never be finished ^we're ruined^"

TomArchersSausage Mon 04-Feb-13 12:39:18

House oF Elliott was so bad it was brilliant topped only by The House of Idiot (French and Saunders)

LesBOFerables Mon 04-Feb-13 12:39:23

Oh, I loved HoE. Good call, Gerroff.

bootsycollins Mon 04-Feb-13 12:53:52

I'm loving it!. Rose is coming into her own now, hope she decides to 'ave it 'orf with the young bohemian artist who reminds me of that rich Russian bloke Roman Abromovich. We call Mr Selfridge Harry the bastard in our house, loved his speech about being a Selfridges employee. I love Downton too grin. Sunday evenings were invented for period dramas!. Piven is hammy as fuck though, when he does that billion watt smile he reminds me of a cartoon cat and I did a bit of sick in my mouth when I saw him in a tv mag leaning on a sports car trying to be cool as fuck confused

LesBOFerables Mon 04-Feb-13 13:04:34

His life was pretty amazing, from what I've read. I'm wondering if they'll show you the nudie twin showgirls who fleeced him for $5 million?

TomArchersSausage Mon 04-Feb-13 14:16:48

Ooh do tell more...grin

LesBOFerables Mon 04-Feb-13 14:44:35
TomArchersSausage Mon 04-Feb-13 14:54:26

Aah thanks for the link!smile

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 16:05:46

Nudie is one of my favourite words Le Bof. No other word comes close for some things. I worked with someone who kept nudie playing cards in his desk and a nudie pen where all the dollybird's clothes fell off when you wrote with it. Not that I ever touched it.

I've got last night's episode of Mr Selfridge to watch on iplayer. It's shit but I'm going to watch it until the bitter end. I've a weird compulsion to finish things.

I nearly contributed to a thread on another board about which series you'd watched every episode of until I realised I'd have to say nearly all of them, no matter how bad.

Vegas, The Defenders, Royal Pains, that thing with Ted Danson and Jason Swartzmann.

I have no quality control.

atthewelles Mon 04-Feb-13 17:01:15

Its definitely not up to the standard of Downton Abbey or that other great Sunday night programme Call the Midwives.
It's hard to care about any of the characters. I assume we're all supposed to be cheerleading and empathising with Agnes Towler but there's something very bland and dead behind the eyes about her. Mr Selfridge himself is like a caricature and it really is hard to care about any of the characters.
It's just not really working.

wildfig Mon 04-Feb-13 17:09:51

Mr Selfridge literally has a pair of nudie Dolly birds coming up...

I wish I could put my finger on what it is about the writing that has made me take agin nearly every single character so badly. It might be that every time any of them do anything, there's a script/camera/background music explosion of significance like your mother nudging you in the ribs. Eg, that driving scarf last night - Henri couldn't just give it to St Agnes, and let the audience draw their own conclusions about how Victor might feel/where she might wear it, he had to bellow over his shoulder, 'Don't worry, Agnes, I'll definitely pay for it tomorrow' just so we know There Will Be Consequences.

I think maybe the difference between this and Downton Abbey is that Downton knows it's being written for Americans to swoon over, but retains a bit of tongue-in-cheek humour for the home market, whereas this... doesn't.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 17:19:47

I've said it before and by God, I'll keep saying droning on about it. My most despised actor is Katharine Kelly for that awful pantomime gurning she does in lieu of acting arch.

She went to Rada, you know. I might have made that bit up.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 17:24:53

No, I've checked and I didn't make the Rada thing up.

They'll have anyone these days

<suggestive pout>

<contorts lips even more while making meaningful eye contact>

<hoists bosom like Cissy and Ada>

Fiderer Mon 04-Feb-13 17:34:23

Another one with a compulsion to finish no matter how awful. Enjoying it at the same time grin

KK's "You brought quail into my sitting room?" line must rank amongst the series' rottenest of lines.

And every time some illicit touching or snogging happens, there's Someone Watching Yooooouuu.

We should play a drinking game next Sunday grin

wildfig Mon 04-Feb-13 17:43:06

All it's missing is the French and Saunders Mandatory Penny Farthing in the back of each shot. grin

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 17:57:27

Drinking game, fiderer? Any excuse round this house

Fiderer Mon 04-Feb-13 18:01:57

grin Yes, spot the topical reference will be one swig. As will "How high can that hair-do go?"

Further categories welcome...

LesBOFerables Mon 04-Feb-13 18:17:46

I'm in!

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 19:08:20

Did like the way Rose dealt with Ellen even if she wept afterwards.

Watching it on iplayer and drinking

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 19:13:11

I think I have agreed with you limited re Katherine Kelly's terrible leerdammer cheese gurning in lieu of acting.

Yes she might have been to RADA. I bet you twenty pence though that she only got cast in RADA plays as 'strumpet no 2' or 'witch with spasms'

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 19:14:26

I want a nudie pen where the dollybird's clothes fall off sad

Dollybird I think is an even better word than nudie.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 19:14:49

'Zere iz zo merch to lern, eef yoo reech out end teck eet, Agnes' haw haw he haw.

I will be zober een the morning.

PenelopePisstop Mon 04-Feb-13 19:15:30

Agnes is the worst and I think she's the one we're supposed to be rooting for. The character is so bland and her monotone delivery really grates on me. She reminds of Kathy Burke's Perry "OK Mrs Pa'erson". Her brother being 'umble and ringing his cap.

Katherine Kelly is completely miscast, not at believeable.

Jeremy Piven is so lacking in charisma. As someone up thread said - it was so promising, period drama with shopping, hair, hats - and the bloody gloves! lol.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 19:17:01

ze merning, obviously.

Oh, she's the Leerdammer cheese one? Pays the rent, so it does Mr Selfridge, you cheeky man, you.

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 19:22:09

lol at ok mrs pa'erson grin

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 19:23:45

I'm sorry but:

Lady Mae: 'I'd like to see your collection of foot muffs'?

I'll be cirrhotic by the end of this.

Fiderer Mon 04-Feb-13 19:40:20

"Theme of the week" is an easy half-bottle swig: "Motoring" - gloves/tick jacket/tick foot muff/splutter/tick

Who's the scary cyclist woman who came in last week with her daringly high skirt? "Lezzer iz good" oozes Leclair on the subject of ladies' Motoring Attire, she was rather reticent though.

Must say I'm enjoying it all much more with this thread.

Fiderer Mon 04-Feb-13 19:42:19

Oh and nul points for any time Harry says "Spirit of Selfridges" but doublez points for any hang-wringingly pouty expressions of "Harrrrrrryyyy"

its his big white teeth grin i can't bare but have to watch it because i like the music. strangely i can't watch the whole thing with at least two wee breaks and their are no bloody advert breaks!!grin

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 19:51:14

Oh shit I am going to have to watch this bilge on catch up in order to join in.

LesBOFerables Mon 04-Feb-13 19:58:10

It will definitely be a camp pleasure with this thread and a bottle of tequila. I expected more of Andrew Davies actually; perhaps he just isn't as good at original scripts as he is at adaptations?

Fiderer Mon 04-Feb-13 20:02:37

Now I'm on GetOrf's Terrible Costume Dramas thread too and it's all getting a bit surreal.
<gin>

GetOrf Mon 04-Feb-13 20:04:17

I am on this and the tabloid headlines thread, and just used the phrase dolly birds over there thinking I was here. grin

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Feb-13 20:05:18

'Ooh, you brought a spatchcock into me vestibule, Mr Colleano,'

<twists mouth, adjusts bosom>

Meanwhile Aggie looks up that '1001 ways to tie a scarf' vid on YouTube

ImNotDrunkIJustCantType Mon 04-Feb-13 20:07:08

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Fiderer Mon 04-Feb-13 20:14:56

It's very much "Drama By Numbers".

Agnes and Victor - yes: then she has to work late plus Lady Mae's restless so...
...sheep's eyes at Leclair from her
...spatchcocking at Lady Mae from him.

Meanwhile: snogging Painter multiplied by mistress-dumping by Selfridge equals...

...50 white roses
...drunken driving in car probably named "Spirit of Selfridges"

wildfig Tue 05-Feb-13 10:36:00

You would have to drink every time

* that ye olde London bus rattles past on a street with exactly 5 extras on it
* Harry sweeps down a staircase, followed by three directors clearly struggling not to do jazz hands
* someone says something Plot Significant while someone else listens in, while pulling a 'intrigued' or 'scheming' face
* Rose Selfridge says, 'Maybe it's because I'm American?'
* Harry Selfridge says, 'Maybe it's because I'm a goddamn American!"
* someone says something Ironic, like 'Lipstick! In a shop!' or 'Votes... for women?!' or 'A... store card with 21% APR and complimentary coffee in the Palm Court four times a year?'
* that panning shot of the Duke Street corner of Selfridges is used
* someone marches passionately into a drawing room without being announced
* Harry does his scary 'tiny white teeth in a sea of black beard' chipmunk smile that's meant to make your corset ping off all by itself

Bring on the Dolly Sisters. I am praying that they'll be played by the Cheeky Girls.

MarinaIvy Tue 05-Feb-13 12:22:49

I'm with Fiderer - let's start a drinking game!

It was a spatchcock pigeon, btw...

Ooh, didn't I love how much of an idiot Ellen Love is.

Oh, but the really bad "special effects" to simulate Harry even being in that gorgeous car! Let alone it actually moving! Let alone him being able to drive that thing!

limitedperiodonly Tue 05-Feb-13 12:30:30

Miss Mardle: 'Now get on with your work.'

Aggie: 'I couldn't accept this.'

Anytime any woman sits at a dressing table and brushes just the ends of her hair, not the bird's nest on top.

PenelopePisstop Tue 05-Feb-13 17:30:44

Well next Sunday's episode will be a lot more interesting now we really have got something to watch (out for).

I'll get the wine in :-)

LesBOFerables Tue 05-Feb-13 17:48:09

Crying laughing now grin

Oblomov Tue 05-Feb-13 18:03:04

Losing interest too. A coupke of newspaper articles have ripped the show, including all acting, especially Piven's.

limitedperiodonly Wed 06-Feb-13 10:15:24

These are my changes to make it better.

1. Miss Mardle is a gay man who’s having an affair with Henri who’s also gay. They plot to oust Mr Groves, starting with sly comments about his ginger beard;

2. The Spirit of Selfridges is David Beckham who poses in his pants in a window. Front, not that side one you always see;

3. Aggie remains an aspiring window dresser even though she's rubbish as Henri finds it tres amusant to wind up the homophobic Victor;

4. Kitty and the other one are transferred to the ladies’ powder and beauty spot counter where they orangely ambush customers with Selfridges own brand cheap perfume. This causes simmering resentment with Mr Mardle which sometimes boils over into vicious turf wars. Aggie looks on helplessly, eyes brimming with tears;

5. A foul-mouthed celebrity chef is in charge at the restaurant;

6. In a post-Leveson world the knocking shop that is the restaurant is safe. But if the News of the World was still going they’d be toast;

7. Aggie’s dad sues for millions for falling through that clearly lethal glass display cabinet;

8. Mr Selfridge’s elder daughter designs a range of hideous clothes that won’t sell even when reduced to 5 per cent in the sales. Eventually Selfridge gets the put-upon Groves to put them in the Scope bin in the dead of night;

9. Selfridge takes up with an edgy model with bad teeth who makes him look ridiculous. Rose sets up home in Monaco with that artist. The company is in her name for tax purposes. Too late Selfridge realises this is a bad move;

10. Lady Mae buys her next boyfriend from an African orphanage.

Fiderer Mon 11-Feb-13 15:29:45

Bloody annoying, first I couldn't watch it yesterday as the house was full of pests guests, was looking forward to a drinking thread (where were you slackers?)

Then I watched it just now on a work and pest-free afternoon and it's worse than hilarious crap, it's bloody awful. Spoiled my fun <sulk>

ppeatfruit Tue 12-Feb-13 10:14:41

Its written for idiots (Americans) ! good fun though. I missed last week's and haven't got catch up, anyone know what the row was about to cause the car crash?

I LIKE Katherine Kelly in it because she's an ex gaiety girl who's made it and is trying to out gurn the REAL ladies IFYSWIM.

Fiderer Tue 12-Feb-13 10:25:00

She also has hair stuck to her breasts lest we be shocked.

<there's a teaser>
grin

limitedperiodonly Tue 12-Feb-13 10:48:05

It is rubbish but I love it.

ppeatfruit I think he started drinking because of a big row with Rose who'd found out about his latest cheating when Ellen Love turned up at the house. He'd lectured Rose about the painter and she said he was a hypocrite. I think this made him ashamed.

He started drinking at his club and in case none of us noticed the significance, the journalist pointed out that it was NOT LIKE HARRY. Ellen turned up and embarrassed him before going home to try to kill herself. She was saved by the journalist who somehow had the keys to her house.

Selfridge climbed into the car and it went to some kind of cheesy drunk sequence where he swayed at the wheel while remembering being a boy and the awful way his no-good lying, whoring, cussing, whisky-drinking father had hurt his mom.

Then he crashed in a woodland which is kind of rare in Central London.

What I want to know is why they just have a decrepit butler and not any other staff like a cook, ladies' maids, woman who does.

limitedperiodonly Tue 12-Feb-13 10:48:50

Yes the hair stuck to her breasts was hilarious.

ppeatfruit Tue 12-Feb-13 10:56:56

Thanks limited grin Did you notice there seemed to be more staff when he was just coming round at home? (it is not made clear where 'home' is) if LesBOFerables link is correct it's somewhere in Dorset which would explain the woods!!

limitedperiodonly Tue 12-Feb-13 11:07:36

It was a bit crowded by Harry's bed what with the servants we've never seen before and the ghost of Harry's pa grin.

I get the feeling that the house is close to Oxford Street either in Mayfair or Marylebone because Harry walked to the shop before conking out surrounded by the suffragettes.

Aggie is such a drip. And thick too. Henri fancies you, you daft cow, though God knows why.

Fiderer Tue 12-Feb-13 11:32:28

Leclair luvvz Eggie becozz she iz ann in-gen-ooo.

Still think there wasn't enough laughable in it. Too much gloom. Although <brightens> the sight of Victor thrashing around on Lady Mae has some promise.

And I agree with CyclingAssertiveWoman that SmallWorriedMan was inspirational.

limitedperiodonly Tue 12-Feb-13 12:11:02

It did suffer for Harry being in a coma for most of the episode.

Selfridges is like nowhere I've ever worked. When the boss goes away in real life no one ever makes a decision because it is bound to be wrong. They do sometimes sit in his office though.

Re: the drinking game. I'm going to take a drink whenever Victor is where he shouldn't be like on the shop floor or lurking by the doors of the loading bay.

ppeatfruit Tue 12-Feb-13 12:56:29

Oh yes limited I'd forgotten the walk to the shop p'raps the accident took place in Hyde Park then. Groves is like a lot of bosses I've worked for though!

Aggie is pre'y though in't she? Do you think many blokes care about intellectual abilities in a woman when they want to get into her knickers ? grin See M. Selfridge!

wildfig Tue 12-Feb-13 13:06:45

I loved the way that Jeremy Piven wasn't taking the small matter of his character being in a coma as a sign to stop Acting. So much sweaty brow! So many indistinct murmurs! And when he finally came round, it was as if all his Acting had been building up like a mighty river, only to be unleashed in a powerful torrent of blinky eye, rolly eye, shouty voice, blurry vision and TEETH.

No one puts Harry in the coma.

wildfig Tue 12-Feb-13 13:08:37

And double yes to the sticky-backed plastic hair tape. I couldn't work out what Lady Mae reminded me of - until it hit me: she's like one of those Barbie dolls you put in the middle of a sponge cake to make a mermaid, but obvs you have to cover the boobage first with the hair.

limitedperiodonly Tue 12-Feb-13 13:09:43

No one puts Harry in the coma.

I just choked on my omelette

MunchkinsMumof2 Tue 12-Feb-13 16:25:33

grin wildfig I have just snorted!

ErikNorseman Tue 12-Feb-13 21:56:21

Wildfig grin

PenelopePisstop Tue 12-Feb-13 22:17:35

Didn't watch Sunday but thanks to above posts am up to speed on developments. It hasn't improved then :-)

ppeatfruit Wed 13-Feb-13 10:30:19

No penelope but it's a good laugh esp. after the beautifully done but miserable Call The Midwife !!

PenelopePisstop Sun 17-Feb-13 21:06:27

Ripping the ribbon off 'of 'er petticoat' to add the finishing' touch to her jaunty 'at. Eat yer heart out Scarlett O'Hara.

PenelopePisstop Sun 17-Feb-13 21:12:57

Kitty's wig looks like its on back to front

limitedperiodonly Mon 18-Feb-13 10:47:53

It does penelope.

At least I've learned that the other one is called Doris.

Arithmeticulous Mon 18-Feb-13 22:24:02

Really really not sure I can be bothered watching anymore - how can they drag it out for another series?

Davros Tue 19-Feb-13 12:24:44

Deleted the last 4 episodes from TiVo box last night but still checked in here to confirm I shouldn't waste my time!

auldspinster Tue 19-Feb-13 12:45:00

Is it just me or did the mannequins that Henri and Agnes were canoodling around look a bit mordern and plasticy?

limitedperiodonly Tue 19-Feb-13 13:29:45

I didn't look auldspinster. I was too shocked at a gentleman and a lady being in a room with unclothed plastic breasts and manhandling naked arms.

And then Aggie kissed him. Hussy.

katrinefonsmark Tue 19-Feb-13 13:38:16

Henri is in Spiral (Engrenages) on BBC4 every Saturday night. It's excellent and he's excellent in it. I can't believe he's in this too. The Aggie relationship isn't very plausible.

PenelopePisstop Tue 19-Feb-13 22:27:25

The Selfridges daughter (no idea what her name is) looks older than her parents.

ppeatfruit Thu 21-Feb-13 10:43:16

DH and I can't wait for the cheeky girls\naughty nudie girls storyline!!grin

auldspinster Fri 22-Feb-13 13:38:10

Yeah, he was getting up to a bit more than snogging in Spiral last week. I've watched it since it was first shown in 2006 and it just gets better and better.

ppeatfruit Sat 02-Mar-13 17:31:07

C'mon folks it's good for a laugh on Sunday night if nothing else grin

PenelopePisstop Sun 03-Mar-13 08:54:50

OK ppeat I might have a look in again - just for comedy value you understand wink

ppeatfruit Sun 03-Mar-13 09:08:50

Them nudie\cheeky girls'll be fun; he was 70 at the time shock!!!

PenelopePisstop Sun 03-Mar-13 21:50:55

Sorry ppeat I'm struggling with it. I think the big problem for me is that I don't like any of them, I could over look the poor acting, the general cheesiness, the dreadful casting, the lame script. I can't overlook the hideous wigs though, Leylandi couldn't outgrow and overlook them!

Bessie123 Sun 03-Mar-13 22:48:30

I quite like Henri in it wink

ppeatfruit Mon 04-Mar-13 09:11:03

The thing is Penelope they DID wear their hair in that false way (they put 'rats' under their own hair to fluff it out and wore fake pieces). I must admit that Lady Loxley's and Mrs Selfridge's did like full wigs though grin. I do like the pretty girl with the drunkard father who's having an affair with Henri. Also her off- on boyf. Victor who put the knife into Lady L last night.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Mar-13 10:34:37

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Mar-13 10:49:08

Surely, if Selfridge was that guilt-ridden over Miss Bunting he'd have given the journalist a job?

Obviously I feel you should give impecunious journalists any help they need, being one myself.

Fiderer Mon 04-Mar-13 10:58:07

I thought that too about poor Samuel West (very underused, what is he doing in it?)
Also as it's a daft and clumsy revenge plot/storyline with La Love.

The hair is astonishing. Rosalie's is particularly awful. "My darling," soothes Mrs Selfridge, "There's no need to be alarmed. Yes, your hair looks as though it has a past-life of a thousand crusty layers but soon a young man will come and er, remove it"?

Arithmeticulous Mon 04-Mar-13 11:05:16

Pah. Still not feeling the love.

ppeatfruit Mon 04-Mar-13 11:19:30

It was the style then Fiderer Honest!! yes I wondered about Selfridges' negative reaction to the journo limited was it because he knew there was 'something' between him and La Love? I'm getting a bit hmm about it too but is there anything better on at the same time??

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Mar-13 12:02:49

Dunno ppeatfruit. I just speak out against cruelty to journalists wherever I see it. We experience quite a bit sad

In answer to your last question: Dexter 9pm on Fox. And Michael C Hall wore a Rosalie Selfridge-style wig in the first series when they were trying to pretend he was a teenager in the flashback scenes.

I've been watching Mysteries of Lisbon on Sky Arts. It's easily as shit at Mr Selfridge, just weird shit instead of straightforward shit.

All current costume dramas the world over are shit. The Spanish Grand Hotel was and the French Maison Close too - all Sky Arts stuff they've obviously picked up cheaply and are showing to us poncey, subtitle-reading cosmopolitan types.

I was lured by Romanzo Criminale. Now that was good and counts as a costume drama because it was set in the '70s. It must be the only good thing ever shown on Italian TV. Or Sky Arts.

ppeatfruit Mon 04-Mar-13 12:14:26

Thanks limited doesn't sound too promising sad do you think they're all jumping on the Downton wagon? .

DH was a journo, now a PR man, so I have sympathy for the good journos grin.

limitedperiodonly Mon 04-Mar-13 12:33:01

Grand Hotel would have a huge market in Spanish-speaking countries - I expect they don't need me to tell them that smile

highlandcoo Mon 04-Mar-13 19:09:30

It's nonsense but I'm enjoying it anyway.

Is the actor playing Mr Selfridge extremely short? Did anyone notice that in the scene where he chases the painter/lover out of the store they were never shot standing together? The camera showed one of them after the other - quite strange.

I think the actor playing his accountant-type of assistant has possibly been specially chosen for his lack of inches smile

I have seen better on tv but it does me for that time on a Sunday evening.

RedPencils Mon 04-Mar-13 19:50:24

It's good Sunday night viewing. Read the papers, MN and keep up with the story at the same time.

Think that French fella will turn out to be a wrong un and break Agnes' heart.

ppeatfruit Mon 04-Mar-13 21:06:09

But Agnes has already told ms Ravilious that she likes Henri a lot but not IN love with him, the hussy she's no better than she should be !!

MissMogwi Mon 04-Mar-13 21:16:58

I love it,although it's not a patch on Downton obvs.

Henri is bloody gorgeous, he's going to bog off and leave Agnes up the duff I reckon.

ppeatfruit Tue 05-Mar-13 08:27:37

Oh yes MissMow Henri is effing lovely!!!

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 05-Mar-13 11:03:52

Marking place but haven't read whole thread as I'm only up to the seance episode. Even though it was quite shark-jumpingly outrageous.

I'm thoroughly enjoying it. blush LOVE Lady Mae 'You've brought spatchcocked quail into my living room? With my reputation?' grin Love her outfits as well.

Henri is so hilariously French but surely he should be gay?

Going against the tide here but I love Agnes and think her acting is ace.

Enjoying the cliched bohemian young artist, probably because I wouldn't mind someone like that sweeping me off my feet.

Am even quite liking Jeremy Piven, but then I've never seen Entourage so he has no 'baggage' for me.

MissMogwi Tue 05-Mar-13 11:12:08

I was shouting at the telly, telling Mrs S to jump the gorgeous artist. She didn't listen of course and now he's gone all stalkery. hmm

Is young Doris going to get engaged to the older miserable guy? Miss Wotsit off accessories will not be happy.

MissMogwi Tue 05-Mar-13 11:13:29

I'm loving Jeremy Piven too, with his lovely white teef. Brightens up my Sunday evenings he does.

ppeatfruit Tue 05-Mar-13 11:46:45

ladyClarice Glad to see we have the same taste again grin though as you can tell from the thread title we're in the minority. Yes I like Aggie as well she's lovely. Also the outrageous camping of Kathleen Kelly as Lady Mae despite her rather obvious wigs. I notice that LORD Loxley hasn't appeared yet.

What about that bit of subtitled french that 'he who should be gay' and the new girl in the tie spoke (the french was spoken so fast that even DH, who speaks good french couldn't understand it grin). Sorry you haven't got to that bit yet have you?

MissMogwi I agree about the artist he can paint me any day grin and Jeremy Piven is fun if a little OTT grin.

Talisin Tue 05-Mar-13 11:47:48

Henri is so hilariously French but surely he should be gay?

According to Andrew Davies, Henri was supposed to be gay - right up to the point when he actually met Gregory Fitoussi smile

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 05-Mar-13 11:49:15

Hello ppeat! Yep, telly sisters again grin.

I think the arrangement Lady Mae has with her husband is that 'He is generally in the country, and I am generally in London.' Which obviously means she can have all the fun/glamour/young lovers she likes grin. Would love a flashback to her in her Gaiety Girl days.

No, haven't seen that French bit yet but I'm looking forward to it now!

BOF Tue 05-Mar-13 11:53:36

I'm not convinced that a respectable young woman like Agnes would have jumped into bed with a bloke like that, tbh. It was pretty taboo.

ppeatfruit Tue 05-Mar-13 12:02:06

Lady Did you read the link about the nudie twins who appear later in the series! Hilarious grin.

MissMogwi Tue 05-Mar-13 12:13:02

Yy Bof she didn't take much convincing did she.

Although he would have had me at bonjour.

grin

limitedperiodonly Tue 05-Mar-13 12:14:59

I think that BOF. Miss Bunting's life was ruined and she just pinched some material.

Social control and the way people lived on top of each other and expected to know everything about their neighbours would constrain everything you did.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 05-Mar-13 12:38:46

ppeat, have glanced at it – fab! Will read properly over lunch. MUST work now though <<fights urge to just read all DM gossip instead>>

ppeatfruit Tue 05-Mar-13 13:25:29

Yes Bof like limited I was surprised that not only is Aggie sleeping with him she told Ms Ravilious that she didn't love him. A bit of mistake by the S.W's IMO (because the fear of pregnancy and V.D.s was huge then) more like a young woman of around our times grin

Fiderer Tue 05-Mar-13 17:28:47

I thought that about Agnes. One minute it was girlish looks and a daring scarf, now she's often nearly late for work because she can't get out of bed with Henri.

Hair is a good indicator in this series:
- Rosalie got to scaffold hers up because she's now a Young Lady
- Ellen Love's was down and straggly because she tried to overdose
- Agnes's had a stray libidinous wisp after another night with Henri
- Rose's always looks softer and suits her better (less like fake nest) because she's soft and long-suffering

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Mar-13 08:42:20

Yeah good thought Fiderer And Lady's Mae's is a huge camp bird's nest!! The make up girls must be having fun doing it!

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Mar-13 08:43:13

Oh and they stuck it to her boobs when in bed with strapping waiter grin

Fiderer Wed 06-Mar-13 10:21:47

Rose's dresses/outfits need a bit more colour imo but I suppose that's how they were - I like the slim waist look <looks down and sucks in hopefully & needlessly>

Never seen Jeremy Piven in anything before. He looks to me like he was born to play Selfridge. Aged 3 "Here are my toys. Buy from me what you want!"

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Mar-13 11:07:35

You wouldn't like the corsets they had to wear for that look it was the S shape (pushed you forward in front and back at the back IFYSWIM!! Totally unnatural and vile and likely to kill you shock it was the last age of the corset, things got much better from 1914 onwards TG. IKWYM about Jeremy Piven and Selfridge he clearly enjoys the role grin

atthewelles Wed 06-Mar-13 13:55:07

Its okay but not brilliant. I find Agnes very annoying. She's obviously meant to be quite artistic but she just comes across as sensible and dull and I cannot imagine a gorgeous interesting and slightly unconventional guy like Henri would be interested in her.

I too was surprised to see her jump into bed with him so readily. That would have been a huge decision for a girl a hundred years ago; there would have been massive moral considerations as well as the fear of becoming pregnant which would probably have seen her out on the streets and homeless.

ppeatfruit Wed 06-Mar-13 14:00:50

Blimey atthewelles Any bloke IMO and E wouldn't turn their nose up at a pretty girl like Agnes esp. with what she offered grin.

But I agree that in those days she would 've held out for a wedding before doing 'it'.(or at least put up some resistance).

RedPencils Thu 07-Mar-13 09:14:17

I was a bit surprised at how quickly Agnes jumped into bed with Mr Frenchie. Can't say I blame her tbh, but surely they were a bit more restrained in the olden days.
Love Lady Mae and the two shop girls.

ppeatfruit Thu 07-Mar-13 09:25:25

Thinking about Mr Selridge IMO the S.W.'s have fallen into the (it must have sex or violence preferably both or no one will watch it )trap it pisses me off actually, they don't credit the audience with much patience or the ability to enjoy a production without explicit S & V.

foxymoon487 Thu 07-Mar-13 17:06:24

Yes,well not entirely happy
with Agne's character being
so modernised.For the first
few episodes she was portrayed
as a very authentic Edwardian
miss,getting excited by the small
detail of a new ribbon for her hat,
and worried what everyone would
think of her drunken father.Now
she has changed into Miss
Almost Late For Work because
of all the hot action she's been getting.
Am certain no Exwardian young woman
would stay over at her bloke's place
night after night No matter how
gorgeous and French he might be
It simply wouldn't have been done
Shows laziness on the part of the
scriptwriters that they have morphed
her character into 2013 behaviour.
Still enjoying it though

Last one on Sunday

ppeatfruit Fri 08-Mar-13 12:37:49

It said on the TV that it's the end of the series on Sunday does that mean there's going to be another? There better be; what with the end of Call The Midwife this Sunday too I'm going to be bereft on sunday night sad. (DH had just got into them as well grin sad).

Talisin Fri 08-Mar-13 14:59:43

Second series starts filming in April I believe & is supposed to be set a few years later, in the run up to WW1.

ppeatfruit Fri 08-Mar-13 21:08:50

Thanks Talisin grin

DearPrudence Fri 08-Mar-13 23:41:16

Are there really nudie twins next week?

I'm watching this with DS. He usually just hides his eyes at the jiggery-pokery-corsetry-on-show bits, but nudie twins might be a step too far.

BOF Fri 08-Mar-13 23:43:04

I don't know if the nudie twins will ever feature, but in real life, I believe they only appeared later on in his story, so I doubt it.

ppeatfruit Sat 09-Mar-13 08:24:17

Yes Bof the link said Mr. Self. was 70!!!! shock at the time of the cheeky\nudie girl debacle. It'll be in the next series hopefully!!

Dear Prudence there's not much really naughty stuff though is there? (thinks of Lady Mae's stuck on boob hair!) It's all done in the best possible taste grin!!!

MissMogwi Sun 10-Mar-13 21:22:27

I knew Henri would naff off. <spits>

RedPencils Sun 10-Mar-13 21:26:17

Mr Grove, what a shit.

MissMogwi Sun 10-Mar-13 21:29:05

Cheeky bastard isn't he?

Last one tonight, what will I do on Sunday nights now?

<ignores mounting Uni work>

Poor miss mardle.

RedPencils Sun 10-Mar-13 21:49:20

Awkward!

I dont get fhe introduction of the play

MissMogwi Sun 10-Mar-13 22:02:50

I wanted to see Lady Loxley wreak her revenge on the play and it's crap actors.

Bessie123 Sun 10-Mar-13 22:39:46

That play happened in real life, I guess that's why it was in there. But apparently it mocked Mr Selfridge as a soft spoken, gentlemanly, spendthrift womaniser.

Henri was the sexiest best thing in the show. I don't think I'll bother watching if he's not in it. Tell me he doesn't really go to NY

Talisin Sun 10-Mar-13 23:17:23

Looks like Henri will be back next year - Gregory Fitoussi tweeted "Yes. I'll be back on Mr Selfridge for season 2. I enjoyed it too much!"

RedPencils Sun 10-Mar-13 23:22:21

The play really happened? I assumed most of this was made up.
The play was the catalyst for Mrs S leaving, it's one thing for him to have his bit on the side but for everyone to know and laugh at her about it is too much.

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 00:03:59

Well, I think they take key events and change them a bit to fit the other dramatised parts of the story. I don't know a great deal about it; I read that Mr Selfridge book a while ago - that is the extent of my knowledge.

grin yay Henri is back

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 00:06:52

I also really don't think women took men's affairs as badly then as they would do in the 21st century. It seems to have been so widespread. I think the series has compressed events over about 25 years, from memory the play didn't come out irl until after Mrs Selfridge was dead.

Fiderer Mon 11-Mar-13 08:50:54

That was a bit glum. Mr Selfridge did lots of sad faces.

Not half as much fun watching others (in the play) making fun of Lady Mae's hair/hats and Mr Selfidge's stomach-out bonhomie as it is doing it here grin

Poor Miss Accessories. Doomed to a life of selling brooches and polishing her hair.

I'd watch another series, enjoyable tosh.

ppeatfruit Mon 11-Mar-13 09:02:19

Bessie123 do you reckon much has changed regarding the fidelity or otherwise of men ? sorry to be cynical.

Agree fiderer but did someone upthread say that it won't be back till NEXT YEAR shock??

DON"T MARRY SHITHEAD GROVES sweet little accessories girl (sorry i've forgotten her name grin!!

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 09:55:15

Accessories girl is Danielle from Eastenders, no?

I wasn't referring to men's fidelity changing but to the change in attitudes to it - women had so little power then (they still couldn't vote fgs) that there wasn't much they could do about a man having an affair. To separate from their husbands would greatly disadvantage them, and they were encouraged to shut up and sit at home sewing, like a good little wifey. Women were also discouraged from expressing sexuality, particularly if they wanted to be seen as 'respectable' - it wasn't until the late 1920s that there was a bit more freedom to express yourself. So I think there was much less stigma attached to a cheating husband and I don't know how much of the door slamming and flouncing would actually have gone on.

ppeatfruit Mon 11-Mar-13 10:57:21

I can't stand misery Stenders so I don't watch it. grin

You're right about the attitudes having changed which is what made the Frenchman and Miss Towler's affaire all the more anachronistic. There were horrible (true) stories of men with V.D. caught (from prostitutes) giving it to their wives and hence killing their unborn babies and it never being discovered or talked about between the couple shock it happened to Mrs Beeton.

Fillyjonk75 Mon 11-Mar-13 10:59:50

I watched one episode, thought Mr Selfridge was an oleaginous shitclown and didn't bother again.

Bessie123 Mon 11-Mar-13 11:03:30

Shitclown - good word grin

ppeatfruit Mon 11-Mar-13 11:06:10

Oleaginous another good word grin Suits Mr Horlidge grin

atthewelles Mon 11-Mar-13 11:15:52

To be honest, I think the money that making Mr Selfridge must cost could go into a far better drama. I don't think I'd be too upset if I'd heard they weren't going to bother with a second series.

Mr Groves really behaved like a total shit last night. For a minute I thought Miss Mardle was going to agree to his selfish, insulting suggestion.
Mind you, I don't get the impression Dolly is head over heels in love with him any more that he is with her. They both just want children, and she also wants financial security after seeing what happened to that unfortunate woman who was sacked after stealing some ribbons.

atthewelles Mon 11-Mar-13 11:17:09

By the way, Agnes recovered from Henri's departure in record time!!

Harry was more upset about him going.

ppeatfruit Mon 11-Mar-13 12:10:59

The problem is that there isn't much better drama around (i like a bit of escapism actually) IMO Call The Midwife IS much better but very unusual if not unique for these days (old gimmer emoticom grin)

True about the modern Miss Agnes atthewelles (who wouldn't have existed in those days IMO).

Miss Mardle acted very well last night I thought.

wednesdaygirl Sat 16-Mar-13 20:35:27

Loved that doris still called him Mr Grove and said she could call him roger once they were married

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sun 17-Mar-13 21:55:20

IS IT TRUE that Gregory Fitoussi will be in the next series?!?!?

Joy unconfined smile smile smile

I've got a galloping little bit of a crush.

Talisin Mon 18-Mar-13 09:57:04

"IS IT TRUE that Gregory Fitoussi will be in the next series?!?!?"

Mr Fitoussi himself has confirmed he will be back in S2 grin Whether that'll be as main cast or guest star is not clear.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Mon 18-Mar-13 14:46:06

Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy.

Hope he crops up in other things before then. I'm off to IMDB to find out.

Bessie123 Mon 18-Mar-13 21:27:32

He'd better not be a guest star. I'm not sitting through a whole 'nother series for him just to be in 1 episode.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 19-Mar-13 09:21:30

grin Bessie. I'd actually happily watch it – I liked this series and I fancy the artist – but Fitoussi being in it regular-like would be a lovely bonus.

BTW, Miss Mardle is certainly NOT past child-bearing, surely? She must only be fortyish.

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