Dereck????

(48 Posts)
leelteloo Wed 30-Jan-13 22:19:04

Not getting it at all. We are supposed to be laughing at grans & granddads? Then at some poor chap with social communication difficulties and learning difficulties. I feel sad and completely humourless. Am I alone or is everyone else rolling in the isle??????

Lozario Wed 30-Jan-13 22:40:34

Watched the first 15 mins and thought it was awful. Not even because it's tasteless - it doesn't particularly push any boundaries - it just feels like it was written by a bunch of 14 year old boys drunk on cheap cider. With any other name on the script, it surely wouldn't get past the first hurdle at C4??

Unless it got a LOT better in the second half?!

Footface Wed 30-Jan-13 22:44:06

I don't think it's meant to be laugh out loud. I might be wrong, I just thought it was about relationships. The council man was unable to the genuine care and love the care home residence were receiving, which is very adapt for how things are at the moment

He didn't write it as a comedy, it's actually rather touching.

AngelsWithSilverWings Wed 30-Jan-13 23:35:04

I thought it was lovely. Sad but very touching and sweet. Loved the bit when Karl Pilkington's character gave the man from the council what for!

Not sure about the drunk character or how he fits in but I imagine we will learn more about him as the series goes on.

I really enjoyed the pilot last year too.

peanutMD Wed 30-Jan-13 23:40:00

Can't stand Ricky Gervais (actually have an irrational hatred of the prick) so I didn't watch but judging by what I saw in the ads its a rip off of Peter Kay's 'That Peter Kay thing' which revolved around reality type following of characters who would be classed as 'odd' to many in society today.

AmberLeaf Thu 31-Jan-13 00:14:08

Not seen this one, but I watched the pilot one last year.

I liked it, I know many hate RG now and I think lots were dubious about it, but I liked it.

It wasnt a piss take at all as some were expecting.

It was touching.

I need to watch tonights one though.

Wetthemogwai Thu 31-Jan-13 00:18:26

I thought it was lovely, I loved the pilot and couldn't wait for tonight

It was touching, thought provoking and sad as well as being funny ('it's not wee, it's tadpoles!') and I think it was incredibly brave and clever to produce something like that especially when the world is against you like it is with Ricky Gervais

leelteloo Thu 31-Jan-13 07:08:00

Maybe I missed the point then; thought it was a piss take and don't like the idea of the elderly or disadvantaged being made fun of.
Still not a fan though

HousewifeFromHeaven Thu 31-Jan-13 07:17:31

I liked the pilot too, and will be watching this series. It is not making fun of disadvantaged people IMO.

merlottits Thu 31-Jan-13 07:40:10

I think it's awful too. I don't find it touching, doing impressions of people with special needs/communication difficulties is not okay and in a similar vein to 'blacking up' to impersonate a black character.
I actually like Ricky Gervais and loved the Office.

This is icky though.

merlottits Thu 31-Jan-13 07:41:56

I find it a complete pisstake, just a subtle one. I can just imagine RG and his pals sniggering over the script and characters.

AmberLeaf Thu 31-Jan-13 08:47:58

I think people expect it to be a pisstake because of how they percieve RGs comedy.

Having a character with special needs doesn't automatically mean its a pisstake though. IMO the character is not being mocked, he is being shown as a real person with real feelings, not just the subject of ridicule.

Should people with special needs never be featured in drama?

How should someone with SN be depicted on TV?

There are lots of people in the world with SN, I think it is groundbreaking to have them as a main character in a programme and not just as a side character, not just someones relative being patted on the head sympathetically.

AmberLeaf Thu 31-Jan-13 08:50:19

Also as the Mum of someone with SN, the pilot was incredibly moving, particularly the dereks mum references.

I identified with lots of it, was very moved and didnt find it offensive in the slightest.

leelteloo Thu 31-Jan-13 09:31:01

I agree with you Amber but I was concerned that it was mocking. I turned it off as I felt uncomfortable but happy to accept that it was actually not meant to be "funny" like that.

MunchkinsMumof2 Thu 31-Jan-13 09:34:56

I think it's in very poor taste but I think Ricky Gervais is a self serving prick.

I can see where your coming from leel, but I dont think its Derek whos being mocked, hes the hero in this.

AmberLeaf Thu 31-Jan-13 10:16:58

Ive been thinking about this and I think its possible that the way individuals view people with special needs is a big factor in how they perceive this programme.

I think some people find watching people with SN uncomfortable.

It can be very much that way in real life, its the whole 'dont look/dont stare' thing.

So its as if by default watching a person with special needs is seen as rude.

I think this programme makes people feel uncomfortable, but Im not sure if its purely because its RG and they assume its a pisstake.

PPT Thu 31-Jan-13 10:24:51

I don't think that it was mocking- in fact Derek's character was described as being "the most popular"- and indeed, there was no need to test Derek for autism, as it wouldn't change who he was. I am a RG fan- and I liked this too- but for very different reasons to The Office, Extras etc.

CalamityKate Thu 31-Jan-13 14:56:36

I thought it was lovely and very touching.

MunchkinsMumof2 Thu 31-Jan-13 16:52:57

It makes me uncomfortable as I have a son with special needs and I have perceived the programme to be mocking how he could potentially grow up to be.

CalamityKate Thu 31-Jan-13 18:25:15

See my son has Aspergers and I don't see it as mocking at all. It's made very clear what a lovely person Derek is and how highly everyone thinks of him.

CalamityKate Thu 31-Jan-13 18:27:31

I do loathe the character of Kev though.

out2lunch Thu 31-Jan-13 18:34:18

I thought it was really sweet and not at all mocking of the characters.
I am not a fan of rg at all but this has the potential to be a very ground breaking show.its about time tbh.

DioneTheDiabolist Thu 31-Jan-13 20:26:32

I loved it. I found it political and touching. I loved how Derek responded to the LA worker who asked him to get tested by "an expert".

I found it very thought provoking.

wintertimeisfun Thu 31-Jan-13 20:27:39

i loved it. an acquired taste, i tend to like the more obsure. it isn't supposed to be really funny although i found a few moments funny. i thought it was (as already said by another poster) sad and thought provoking. i absolutately don't think it was a piss take of old people or people with some kind of handicap either. i thought it was very loving towards old people and showed a loving way as to how old people in homes SHOULD be treated. made me angry re the council insprector as i bet these twats visit these homes all the time causing distress and making shite decisions that affect others. i loved the animals staying over night, that seriously warmed me' cockles. i hope that the episode was watched by some of the people that are the decision makers when it comes to closing down council run homes for the elderly.

wintertimeisfun Thu 31-Jan-13 20:30:45

*obscure

tedmundo Thu 31-Jan-13 20:46:19

I thought the conversation about Derek being tested for autism was superb. It is not a typical RG vehicle. Very thought provoking.

wintertimeisfun Thu 31-Jan-13 21:02:08

i thought derek came over as being a nice/kind person. him having some kind of learning difficulties i personally didn't think was an issue. actually, i just saw him as a person, i didn't give thought to anything else. as someone on here has already said, it wasn't about him BECAUSE he has a ld but it was just about him. i don't think it was making fun of him, i certainly didn't find him funny, i found him to be lovely smile

AmberLeaf Fri 01-Feb-13 13:50:21

Ive just watched it.

I'll be watching again definitely.

Really didn't like the Kev character though.

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 01-Feb-13 16:39:16

i thought this was showing derek as a thoughtful kind person who all the old people loved

not a piss take at all

EllieArroway Fri 01-Feb-13 19:14:32

Where exactly was it taking the piss out of the elderly? Are you suggesting we can't have comedies set in old people's homes? This determination to be offended on other people's behalf is seriously irritating.

RG's character clearly has SN, but there was no piss taking - and a valid point was made about the value of labels & diagnoses when a person is happy and getting on with their life.

I think it was written as a comedy, but this term is not interchangeable with "piss-take" and I think a few people around here need to understand that.

Oh - and Peanut. Aside from the fact that passing comment on a programme you've never actually seen is a very Daily Mail thing to do - you have gathered wrong. It's not a rip off of Peter Kay or anything else.

I thought it was all a bit "meh", if I'm honest - although Karl Pilkington is seriously brilliant & it's worth watching for him alone.

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 01-Feb-13 20:16:05

My friends child has sn and she watched thinking how fab to have a tv show showing positive role models - as in having a job and a normal life / just eat she wants and hopes for her child when he grows up

BaconAndAvocado Sat 02-Feb-13 12:12:16

Loved your post amberleaf

My 15yo DS with AS loves it!

BaconAndAvocado Sat 02-Feb-13 12:13:19

PS love love love La Pilkington smile

qazxc Sat 02-Feb-13 22:27:47

Meh. didn't find it funny (not even a little bit) or thought provoking or touching. wasn't keen on the kev character, thought RG didn't make a great job of acting the part it looked a bit laboured and not very realistic.

AmberLeaf Sun 03-Feb-13 11:43:40

Thank you Bacon

wintertimeisfun Sun 03-Feb-13 12:54:41

i love pilkington too. actually i could just sit and watch him. i can't tell if he is either a very good actor or is just playing himself. eitherway he is lovely smile

LeeCoakley Sun 03-Feb-13 13:09:22

I've only seen the trailer (about 5 minutes ago) and it's just something about RG's performance. Why does Derek have to present as unattractive? I.e. lank greasy hair, a hunch and an inane grin?

TanteRose Sun 03-Feb-13 14:06:19

I'm not in the UK so can't watch the recent episodes, but have just watched the pilot on YouTube

I really liked it - by the end, I'd almost forgotten it was Ricky Gervais...
And Kerry Godliman is so good as Hannah

It reminds me of Getting On, with Jo Brand, which was television genius.

CrapBag Sun 03-Feb-13 22:36:13

RG isn't suppose to be mocking people with SEN. He said in an interview that his mum and his sister both work in care homes, for the elderly and people with SEN so he knows a lot about them. He isn't suppose to be taking the mick out of them at all and I don't think it comes across that way. Also RG is very intelligent and I am not particularly a fan of his. I don't find him funny but I loved An Idiot Abroad and you couldn't help but notice that when Ricky talks to Karl about views on the world and other cultures, you can't help but notice that he knows his stuff.

Karl Pilkington on the other hand is fucking hilarious. His character is just him in real life basically which is the only reason I watched Derek, I could imagine him saying that to a council person in real life.

LadyKinbote Sun 03-Feb-13 22:42:07

I thought it was wonderful and the woman who plays Hannah is superb. Not sure why people are talking about whether or not they laughed at it, as it's meant to be a drama with comic moments rather than an out and out comedy. RG is one of the few writers to tackle disability head-on and does it in a mature rather than patronising way. I agree that Kev is irritating but the other day RG said he's there for a reason which is interesting...

Idontliketoffee Mon 04-Feb-13 08:23:51

I found it very touching,and simply cannot understand how people see it as a piss take.

BlueSkySunnyDay Mon 04-Feb-13 19:35:53

I watched this expecting it to be a comedy but realised pretty quickly that whilst it had comedy moments that wasnt actually what it was. I thought it was very clever there were a few times when I looked at DH at went "ouch" like Hannah pointing out how many care home patients die within a year of being "rehomed" and Karl Pilkingtons character talking to the chap from the council about "ticking his boxes"

I dont get at all how you can be offended by his portrayal of Derek, I looked at H and said "ive known people like that" even down to the way he flicked his fringe and asked loads of random questions. I really didnt feel he was mocking him.

If its true RG has family who work in care homes then that totally makes sense, its a very clever way of drawing attention to the issue and giving the decisions made in offices in the name of "cost cutting" a human face.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 14-Feb-13 13:13:13

thought this weeks was very touching with the bird

also the story with the ring - guess there are lots of children like that

shame he gave the ring back to them and she didnt change her will/write it down before she passed away

wintera Thu 14-Feb-13 16:15:04

I think this series has been lovely. Its not taking the piss out of the elderly or disabled people at all in my opinion. If anything its raising awareness of the way the elderly are treated in homes etc. The thing that was said in the first ep about a huge percentage of the elderly die in the first year when they are re-housed after their homes are closed down is something I never knew about.

Loving the Karl Pilkington character, even if basically he's just playing himself. When he laid into the daughter of the lady who had died I actually felt like cheering. He's great!

wintertimeisfun Fri 15-Feb-13 16:50:13

wintera i agree re Karl, i loved the way he had a go at the awful grabbing vile daughter. i bet this is so true to life for some elderly people. as for the storyline re the young girl, i loved it, really warmed my heart. it was fab' the way you saw her gradually relax, lose the attitude and become part of the family, fab' stuff smile

TanteRose Wed 20-Feb-13 02:52:38

episodes 1 - 3 are now on Youtube, so I am all caught up.

and again, I love it!

it is warm, funny and absolutely heartbreaking in equal measures (hate Kev though, obvs...)

the footage of some of the elderly residents in their youth (and it seemed to really be those particular actors!) was so poignant - made me cry blush

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