Sixteen kids and counting....

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BarnYardCow Wed 09-Jan-13 12:28:24

Anyone else looking forward to a new episode on Friday where I think they have just had number 17, plus one of the elder daughters is expecting too!

PenguinBear Wed 09-Jan-13 19:37:14

This is the UK one you're talking about?! Yes I am! For a minute I thought you were referring to the American Duggar family who had 16 years ago and are now kn 19/20 grin

BarnYardCow Wed 09-Jan-13 20:43:14

Yes, the English one. God knows how much they spend on shoes!

twinklesparkles Wed 09-Jan-13 21:53:01

Have sky +'d it smile. Hope its good

Must admit I don't like the british programmes about big families... The americans just do it better than us smile lol

Vajazzler Thu 10-Jan-13 10:01:32

What channel is it on?

crockonboosh Fri 11-Jan-13 00:52:47

Bumped as I would also like to know what chanel this is on.

BitofSparklingPerry Fri 11-Jan-13 01:04:56

Channel four at 9pm

I am related to the family, so I get all the insider news, lol.

BarnYardCow Fri 11-Jan-13 20:14:11

My favourite story as a child was " There was an old lady who livef in a shoe" We got to 4 and reached our limit!! She must be mega organised!! I take my hat off in admiration.

Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 20:58:54

Here.

I'm fascinated by HUGE families. I stuck at 2, but it does feel like I'm a few kids short IYSWIM.

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:05:57

FIVE bathtimes per night?? <boggles> That would finish me off. The parents must have the patience of a saint.

oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 21:07:05

the birthday presents don't have to cost 3k a year! that's £180 per birthday present per child! more than a lot of small families spend per child!

Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 21:07:05

Just wondering how bad it gets when a D&V virus, nits or threadworms goes round those kids.

Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 21:08:14

IRONING?!!! Is she insane?!!!

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ettiketti Fri 11-Jan-13 21:09:06

I'm wondering why the older kids don't have some chores and most of the kids can't out away their own clothes

lauriedriver Fri 11-Jan-13 21:09:17

Love this programme, hard working, down to earth & most importantly seem very loving.

It wouldn't be for me but good on them they look a real nice happy family. She's in great shape for having all them babies!!!

Notcontent Fri 11-Jan-13 21:10:54

I am fascinated by how they can afford the house, the bills, etc.
I mean, how, unless you are earning over £200,000 per year???

ArtigeneAuberchoke Fri 11-Jan-13 21:11:42

I find the US show about the Duggars interesting as they have such a different lifestyle with extreme religious views, home schooling etc. The way they share responsibilities and work together is fascinating. This lot are just a bog standard family so rather dull to watch so far.

decktheballs Fri 11-Jan-13 21:12:40

The kids not being able to get out of the bedroom doesn't sit right with me, what would happen re fire etc?

SavoirFaire Fri 11-Jan-13 21:12:59

I noticed that they made a point of saying that they had bought the house - i.e. not council. Would be interested to know what he does for a living. She clearly can't do much other than wash, iron, make packed lunches etc.

Blimey. The washing would kill me. I also almost never iron and only have two DC. My DH does his shirts and I iron 2 or 3 items every month!

In awe. All the kids seem lovely.

PenguinBear Fri 11-Jan-13 21:13:06

It's great fun watching though!! I don't feel I can moan at
Cleaning a 3 bed house when she has a 10 bed place to
Clean!

sailorsgal Fri 11-Jan-13 21:13:13

I saw them on This Morning. He has his own business. I wonder if they have been affected by the child benefit cuts as that would be quite a bit to lose.

Smudging Fri 11-Jan-13 21:13:54

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They were on this morning. They have their own business the said. It's a bakery. DH thought it would have to be warburtons to afford all that!!

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oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 21:15:13

£50 each is about what we spend, and that would be £800/yr for them

SavoirFaire Fri 11-Jan-13 21:15:58

I agree though they (the kids) should all have chores. Even the younger ones could be taking their washing downstairs and putting away. My mum is from a big Irish family and although she was only one of two, she had millions of cousins who were all in largish families, i.e. 6, 7, 8 children etc. I remember one of the mums of these bigger broods saying to me that "once you've had three it doesn't get much harder" but her reasoning was that the older ones start to look after themselves, and the younger ones and pitch in with all the household side of things.

Smudging Fri 11-Jan-13 21:16:40

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alisarah Fri 11-Jan-13 21:17:06

Wow: makes me feel totally inadequate.. hats off.

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ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:17:14

They all seem lovely. I can't believe how many children she's had, and she looks amazing!

Thewhingingdefective Fri 11-Jan-13 21:17:51

Watching now. They are a little bit bonkers but lovely and I wish I had half the amount of patience.

oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 21:18:05

don't most schools have healthy lunchbox policies nowadays??

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:18:18

Does anyone else get the hmm face at the really censorious voice-over? It's like the DM is doing the commentary.

Notcontent Fri 11-Jan-13 21:18:48

Sailorsgal, that's just what I was wondering about re child benefit. Because presumably he would make over 60,000, and at the moment child benefit would be enough to pay for a big chunk of their weekly groceries.

I struggle with one dd. I must be doing something wrong!

shotofexpresso Fri 11-Jan-13 21:20:57

I'm always a bit :/ about these families, the fact you always see mother has the newest baby and the toddlers are shipped off to the older kids to look after.
But I'll still be watching.

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ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:21:38

Cloth nappies. grin Though my god, the washing. How many of the younger ones are still in nappies, I wonder?

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Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 21:23:20

They don't seem very shouty.

I reach Sgt Major levels before breakfast most days.

oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 21:23:37

AHHHH get that car seat off the edge of the table!!!! shock

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:23:51

Not sure there's much wrong per se with older toddlers being looked after by older children. It's how typical families (WC ones anyway) functioned until pretty recently. The toddlers are still getting lots of social interaction.

Notcontent Fri 11-Jan-13 21:24:27

They seem lovely, bit let's face it, it is too may children!! You can't really give them much individual attention can you?

Oodhousekeeping Fri 11-Jan-13 21:24:32

Y to whoever said Morecambe is cheap. Ex care home might have meant it was cheaper.

VinegarDrinker Fri 11-Jan-13 21:24:40

I'm only one of 5 but my Mum swears the more she had the easier it got. We certainly had chores and helped a lot with the younger ones. There is 13 years from oldest to youngest in our family.

16 though..... Wow.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 11-Jan-13 21:24:52

Blimey, I was preparing to be a bit judgey (as I think the Duggars are pretty dreadful, the way the oldest girls bring up the youngers..., and their religious views....)

But this lot are lovely. And the only thing that freaks me out a bit is quite how she still looks SO young!

alisarah Fri 11-Jan-13 21:24:59

Shotoespresso: I don't necessarily think it is an unhealthly thing for elder siblings to chip in with the raising of youngers??

SirBoobAlot Fri 11-Jan-13 21:25:26

Thought it was really fab... Until they said about removing the door handle so they kids couldn't get out of the room sad

VinegarDrinker Fri 11-Jan-13 21:25:39

I loved looking after the little ones.

BillyBollyBrandy Fri 11-Jan-13 21:25:43

She seems a lovely mum smile

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:26:03

Three lots of nappy bums. Hmm. I'm not using my cloth nappies on my 2 yo because of his horrible toddler diarrhoea. blush

Blimey, they're going to take up half the plane if they fly to France! grin

First baby at 14 tho! She could have another 10 years of fertility left. 26 kids!

blondieminx Fri 11-Jan-13 21:27:10

How does she do it?!

Oh my actual god: the washing, the housework, the logistics of getting that many kids out the door each morning (never mind if to France FFS, can you imagine the packing?!) and she looks amazing on it! Just wow.

Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 21:27:28

yy, the removing the handle is very dangerous. If there was a fire the dad might not be able to dash back and stick it back on.

RubyLovesMayMay Fri 11-Jan-13 21:27:41

I'm the 2nd of 5 kids, me and my older sis, looked after the youngers, most families do.

this Mum looks better than I do and I'm ten years younger and have 14 fewer kids grin

lauriedriver Fri 11-Jan-13 21:27:51

Healthy lunch box policy?? Car seat off the table?? Some people ain't happy unless their moaning/criticizing.

I think the family seem great fun, loving & happy, that's what's important.

shotofexpresso Fri 11-Jan-13 21:27:56

Within limits though, its seems to be constant which is unhealthy tbh.

my mum always used to say 'my job is to make sure you're only job is to be a child' I understand what she means now and thank her for it.

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lopsided Fri 11-Jan-13 21:28:40

They seem really lovely and loving. It's a different childhood for the kids, not like their peers.

Imagine letting some of them have a friend round to play! I think I need a lie down.

oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 21:29:22

I thought it'ld look like more fun! was expecting to be a wee bit jealous
but they just sort of exist around the kids, they haven't shown much yet admittedly but it seems like they very much blend into "the kids" IYKWIM

If I won the lottery I would have more kids, but probably not so much that they just become "the kids" and I could still enjoy each of them as individuals

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MrsReiver Fri 11-Jan-13 21:29:48

He didn't remove the handle did he? I thought he rattled it so they would think he was coming and leap into bed, but one of the kids pushed the handle out.

greencolorpack Fri 11-Jan-13 21:30:11

Reshape, yes I agree, it doesn't sit right with me that the show was advertised with the comment saying some something like "is it too many?". Who the hell has the right to say what is too many. Just because its not the norm doesn't mean anyone has the right to judge or question why they had this kid or that kid. Nobody makes documentaries about families with one troubled kid and asks "did that couple have one too many children?" but in some cases it could be a valid question.

BillyBollyBrandy Fri 11-Jan-13 21:34:08

Why would you drive for 21 hours with 15 kids?! That's why we have Devon grin

MrsBucketxx Fri 11-Jan-13 21:34:32

21 hours and 16 kids flippin heck shock

5madthings Fri 11-Jan-13 21:35:00

Just set a reminder to watch this in 4+1.

Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 21:35:14

They don't seem to have a pissed off, stressy streak in them confused.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 11-Jan-13 21:35:24

That must be the worst car journey in history grin

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:36:11

So far, the most surprising thing about this docu has been that they are in the swimming pool of a French campsite that doesn't enforce the 'Budgie Smugglers only' rule. shock No speedos!

oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 21:36:15

I know swimming pools that don't allow more than 2 kids per adult in, that must be tricky!

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Bottleoffish Fri 11-Jan-13 21:39:14

They're not perfect, no one is, are they, but so far I think they/it looks great! I have four and counting but I'm too old to get to 16 now and my DH would never cope anyway, he gets stressed too easily!

sussexsongbird Fri 11-Jan-13 21:39:26

Sue is on my birth board on babycentre.com - baby Oscar is the same age as my DS. I couldn't believe it when he announced she was pregnant again, but isn't it time she was having another one? I don't think she is yet though... She's got her own blog and I think now a website so I bet they are making a bit of money out of publicity now. I certainly hope the ddocumentary people paid for the holiday at least!

InNeatCognac Fri 11-Jan-13 21:40:43

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redpickle Fri 11-Jan-13 21:42:11

IMAGINE! You arrive for your lovely annual holiday and that lot turn up on your campsite, or worse, in the next van(s)

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:42:54

Aw, gorgeous baby! smile

lopsided Fri 11-Jan-13 21:44:30

The mum and dad are just lovely.

Just as well Sophie doesn't want family visiting or touching her baby for at least a week!

My question though is who would she have left the little one with for a week?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 11-Jan-13 21:45:05

Sussex do you have a link to her blog?

I think they are great. It's absolutely not for me, but they seem happy.

I thought the same redpickle!!
I really don't know how the parents do it but the kids seem happy.

lollydollydrop Fri 11-Jan-13 21:48:45

I really want to know what he does for work!!! To afford them all... I would love a big fam. It looked like he may own a shop? Maybe he has a fleet of them, it hasnt said has it?x

PetiteRaleuse Fri 11-Jan-13 21:48:48

Found the linkto their blog : www.theradfordfamily.co.uk/

loveroflife Fri 11-Jan-13 21:50:05

Her stomach was so smooth when having her scan - not one stretchmark...incredible!

MrsReiver Fri 11-Jan-13 21:50:19

Lolly, he owns a bakery.

Fairylea Fri 11-Jan-13 21:50:34

Good luck to them but I just can't see how in a family of that size how the children get any real parental time ... especially the littlest ones.

I suppose they benefit from having the older children to look after them too... but I have one dd age 9 and a ds 7 months and I constantly find myself pulled in a thousand directions. I think you'd have to ignore a lot of crying etc and I don't think I could do that at all.

MrsReiver Fri 11-Jan-13 21:50:45

Or rather they own a bakery.

CremeEggThief Fri 11-Jan-13 21:50:57

Wow! Massive respect for getting that amount of kids out on time in the morning and keeping the house so tidy.

lollydollydrop Fri 11-Jan-13 21:53:08

haha, the gran obviously cant cope with it quite as well!!

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:53:33

I know a family with 9 children (most of whom are home-schooled...!) and the older ones do muck in with the little ones. Everyone seems extremely confident and well-adjusted.

lollydollydrop Fri 11-Jan-13 21:53:57

Thanks MrsReiver. Must be very popular! smile

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Meglet Fri 11-Jan-13 21:55:39

I suppose having a massive house helps, wasn't it 10 bedrooms? That's lots to keep tidy but the kids aren't too squashed in their rooms.

ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow Fri 11-Jan-13 21:57:48

The lentil-weaver in me thinks she ought to treat herself to a better sling than that rubbish crotch-dangler! grin

Chippychop Fri 11-Jan-13 21:58:27

I think they are wonderful! I say if you are funding it all yourself why not. Lovely peoplegrin

Bottleoffish Fri 11-Jan-13 21:58:55

I was thinking that too reshape... grin

TheCrackFox Fri 11-Jan-13 21:59:06

They seem like a lovely family and I feel completely inadequate in comparison.

Also really nice to see a huge house filled with lots of kids.

MrsReiver Fri 11-Jan-13 21:59:34

Reshape I just said the same thing!

olympicvibes Fri 11-Jan-13 22:00:42

only saw last part but they came across as a lovely family-fantastic parents and grandparents.

sussexsongbird Fri 11-Jan-13 22:02:23

I just googled sue radford to find it. I think she's stopping posting on the blog bow she has the website up. God knows how she manages to find time to do anything on the Internet!

sussexsongbird Fri 11-Jan-13 22:03:58

Wonder if we all had our first kids at fourteen if we would have escaped stretch marks too. We'll never know now!

HoHoHoNoYouDont Fri 11-Jan-13 22:04:38

What a lovely family!

DoodlesNoodles Fri 11-Jan-13 22:15:55

I am not criticising the Radfords at all but it is a bit odd isn't it? What makes you keep wanting more and more children? I understand why people who don't believe in contraception blush have big families but I don't understand the motivation to have loads of DC's otherwise.
I think I like to spend lots of individual time with each DC and really getting to know them.
It's horses for courses though..... smile

DoodlesNoodles Fri 11-Jan-13 22:17:06

Mmm I shouldn't have said odd. I should have said unusual

Odd implies I think it is weird. hmm

Vakant Fri 11-Jan-13 22:32:21

I think they are a lovely family, and I have no issue with big families, it wouldn't be for me but each to their own. However I think the fact that they are considering even more is just madness given the stress all the pregnancies will have had on her body. It is a very real likelihood that she could have life threatening complications if she continues, to keep going regardless and potentially deprive her existing 16 children of a mother just seems very stupid.

Vagaceratops Fri 11-Jan-13 22:34:19

Where did they go on holiday? Anyone know?

lollydollydrop Fri 11-Jan-13 23:16:13

InNeatCognac well if you really wanna get Psychological..

How about they have kept on having babies to try and claim back their missed childhood (first baby at 14) by re-living it through their children... shock

oldebaglady Fri 11-Jan-13 23:20:04

I think there are som esome people who feel physically better when pregnant than not
as well as psychologically

being un-pregnant is a bit of a dip for them sometimes, and they're back to "themselves" when pregnant, just like how most of the rest of us feel but the other way round IYKWIM

DoodlesNoodles Fri 11-Jan-13 23:23:31

I wonder if people with large families like the attention. I liked it when I was pregnant and had little DC's.

lollydollydrop Fri 11-Jan-13 23:26:00

Sue has been pregnant for 12 years of her life. TWELVE YEARS!!!!! confused

She is amazing.

TameGaloot Fri 11-Jan-13 23:45:10

It's £3000 on presents a year not just on their children's birthday presents.

I did feel that if Sophie's boyfriend was bothered so many being around then perhaps he should be providing a home for his child and its mother

Just watching it now. 20 minute labour?!?!

I did laugh when Sophie said her child and her mums would love each other though.

me and my mum were pregnant together. My son is 3 month older then my sister and they do not get on at all. But they do gang up on my brother who is 18 month.

The organisation skills and patience that woman has is amazing!

I'm the oldest of 10 all together as my bio dad has 3 and my mum has 7. Its mental at my mums with 3 toddlers aged 3 and under. Couldn't imagine living with my mum though!

Wingedharpy Sat 12-Jan-13 02:01:58

Well hats off to that lovely couple and their gorgeous children.
Those children all looked well turned out and well balanced and happy.
The ones filmed were very articulate.
My feeling was the fact that both Mum and Dad were adopted was a significant factor in their need for a huge brood but whatever their reasons, they are looking after them themselves and providing for them and they are clearly doing a good job.
The 2 little girls discussing whether they would be a Gran or a Nan or maybe even an Uncle to their elder sister's child was just magical.
They seem a lovely family and it makes a pleasant change for the media to focus on a well balanced family for a documentary of this nature.

HDee Sat 12-Jan-13 08:22:14

sussexsongbird, I can confirm that having your first baby does NOT always mean escaping stretch marks. I had hideous ones, deep and purple like I had been clawed bay tiger. I didn't think I'd ever let anyone see me naked, ever.

I've had nine more children since then, though, so obviously I got over my self-consciousness.

BrittaPerry Sat 12-Jan-13 08:28:48

I'm just one of three, and I helped look after my youngest sister. Doesn't everyone? Most families of the grans generation and even younger were big by todays standards, five or six kids, and everyone chipped in - my dad is one of eight, (plus he has three half siblings, but he didn't meet them as a child) and he is married to Sues cousin, so it wasn't THAT long ago.

It looks like so much fun. I don't know Sue, she is relatively distantly related, I only hear about her second hand, but this end of the family has huge family gatherings and it is wonderful :-)

Imagine Christmas in a few years when they all have spouses and kids! At one point this year we had 30 people in a four bed house (although only ten were sleeping there) and it was great fun, but that was just a few of us, and not even all of a family that originally had half the amount of siblings...

JambalayaCodfishPie Sat 12-Jan-13 08:36:31

I love them, they impress me more with every show.

I don't think any of those kids would change a thing. smile

BrittaPerry Sat 12-Jan-13 08:39:11

None of them have left home yet! I think that is significant in itself.

How many kids is a childminder allowed at once?

JambalayaCodfishPie Sat 12-Jan-13 08:46:10

I think the eldest son has, but he's 22!

5madthings Sat 12-Jan-13 08:55:35

Yes the eldest as left home. And there is a 5 yr gap between him and the next child, who i thinkmis sophie? The one who has baby daisy. The next child is a 17yr old girl who.is planning on going to uni next yr.

The rules have recentlybchanged re childminders but its dependrnt on allsorts from the size of your house, to the ages if the children and to if mindeees are siblings. Tbh i dont think you can compare the two tho.

The radfords seemed very happy and they certainly came across well, hats off to them! It can be mad enough with five kids, she was renarkably unfased by the general noise etc if them all.

I loved the bit whete she was trying to get the baby to turn and all.the kids were copying her.

JambalayaCodfishPie Sat 12-Jan-13 09:01:25

I did too 5mad

The sound of all that laughter - I think that must be one of the nicest things. grin

Passthesaltdear Sat 12-Jan-13 09:08:50

I'm going about my morning routine this morning with 2 kids and after watching this programme last night I keep thinking how relatively easy my life is. Keep imagining how different my morning would be with 16! Feel very grateful to have 2 and guilty I don't find time (inclination) to do the ironing!grin

VitoCorleone Sat 12-Jan-13 09:16:17

Is this show a repeat? Was it shown last year?

I didnt watch it this week but it sounds very familiar. If not i'll have to watch it.

Vagaceratops Sat 12-Jan-13 09:17:35

They appeared on a show about the largest families before, but this show was just about them.

SuchFunHaHa Sat 12-Jan-13 09:22:25

I watched last night, no idea if it is a repeat.

JambalayaCodfishPie Sat 12-Jan-13 09:25:24

Last night was new.

They were in a series last year, this one off special was just about them.

5madthings Sat 12-Jan-13 09:26:23

Yes this was a show just about them and a continuation if their story.

Is it a series or was last nights a one off?

lollydollydrop Sat 12-Jan-13 09:43:32

One off sad

janey68 Sat 12-Jan-13 14:40:02

Each to their own, and I don't see how anyone can object when they are paying their own way. But two aspects would bother me: bringing so many children into an already over populated world, and also, if the family business did go under, they'd be relying on huge amounts of state welfare to get by. But fair play to them they've managed this far.

I also found it a bit sad that their lives seemed to be so functional. Cooling dinner, doing the laundry and making beds is something most of us do because it has to be done, whereas for she, that's become her whole life. From age 14 she's had babies and done housework which seems a very narrow life. I thought noel came across very well and was so patient and hard working. I do wonder how sue will cope when she can't have more kids though, and whether she'll be a nightmare interfering granny

BarnYardCow Sat 12-Jan-13 14:58:05

I thought they were a lovely unspoilt family, and it was so cute seeing the little ones helping and being mummy to a brother or sister when the mum and dad were away. And loved how they just bunged them all in the mini bus and drove all the way to France for the holiday. We did a 12 hr journey last year, and that was long enough for me!

juneau Sat 12-Jan-13 15:37:00

I thought they were a lovely family too and the kids were so nicely brought up - despite them obviously not having a huge amount of time to dedicate to each child.

What was weird though was that it got me thinking about all the DC I don't have. I have just two and I looked at their enormous brood and thought - blimey look at how many DC a healthy, fertile woman can have if she does nothing to prevent it! Made me feel a bit feeble for stopping at two, tbh.

FrillyMilly Sat 12-Jan-13 19:10:20

I'm just watching as sky plussed. They seem nice enough but all the children keep saying they hope she stops having babies. I wonder if that bothers her. I didn't understand why so many of the children had bottles or why 3 of them shared a bed. It's great that they support themselves but as a pp said what if the bakery was to fold. How would they survive financially.

Oodsigma Sat 12-Jan-13 19:17:39

It mentions bed sharing in the programme & showed the empty beds because the children kept wanting to sleep together.

SavoirFaire Sat 12-Jan-13 19:19:44

I don't think many people think about what would happen if our business went under/we are made redundant before choosing to have another child. Do we? He may well have good insurance in case of that eventuality in any case. They may well be mortgage free. Frankly we know nothing about their financial situation other than that they seem to be able to maintain a happy and healthy home of their own accord right now, which is no mean feat with that number of people under one roof. Good for them.

They all have their own beds (watch again). However, the children often choose to bunk in together. I have a friend with 4 children and A&E frequently finds all of them in a single bed in the morning. Quite common in big families I think and quite lovely.

Fairylea Sat 12-Jan-13 19:43:09

Unless I'm wrong she was 14 and he was 19 when they had their first baby.... !

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things but still a bit shocking really.

If a mum writing on here that her dd was pregnant at 14 to a boyfriend of 19 everyone would be horrified and saying theyd never last etc.. and here these two are with 16 dc all these years later.

5madthings Sat 12-Jan-13 19:48:29

She was 13 and he was 16 when they got together and they had their first a year later at 14 and 17. They didn't live together at first and there is a five yr gap before their second in which time they moved in together and got married.

FrillyMilly Sat 12-Jan-13 19:49:11

To be completely honest our future financial situation plays a big a part in deciding whether to have more children. I need to know I can afford to keep our bills paid if one of us is made redundant. I have no reason to suspect that one of us will lose our job but its not an uncommon occurrence at the moment.

SavoirFaire Sat 12-Jan-13 19:51:37

She frequently finds....

PetiteRaleuse Sat 12-Jan-13 19:54:48

grin at your typo SavoirFaire. That would be worrying...

juule Sat 12-Jan-13 20:15:40

They must be wonderful at managing their finances.

I know when we thought about a minibus, the insurance per year would have bought a small car. I must have looked in the wrong places.

I'm also puzzled how her labour was 20mins when she was in for 4 days but they said her labour had started after 36hours.

JambalayaCodfishPie Sat 12-Jan-13 20:26:12

Juule, because of complications, they wouldn't let her leave. But they also couldn't find a bed to induce her. So she waited on antenatal for several days.

AlwaysReadyForABlether Sat 12-Jan-13 20:26:54

I thought they came across as a really lovely family. The house looked well kept and all the children were well dressed and spoke very well to camera.
I don't know how they find the energy though. She was 3 months pregnant when the youngest child was only 5 months old.
She looks amazing too - so young and fresh faced. I don't look like that and I don't have any DCs.

juule Sat 12-Jan-13 20:31:06

Jambalaya I know she went in and they had no beds but then it said 36 hours after going in she was in labour but she was away from home for 4 days.

juule Sat 12-Jan-13 20:32:36

"I thought they came across as a really lovely family. The house looked well kept and all the children were well dressed and spoke very well to camera."

Completely agree with this smile

JambalayaCodfishPie Sat 12-Jan-13 20:34:47

She said in the phone call to oldest DD that they weren't coming home tonight, probably tomorrow? Does that add up? grin

AlwaysReadyForABlether Sat 12-Jan-13 20:35:52

And I thought the kids all seemed really well behaved. I am one of four and I remember how excited and hyper we used to get if there was any visitor in the house. Can't imagine what excitement it must have caused having a whole film crew in their house.

juule Sat 12-Jan-13 20:38:47

jambalaya not really smile. That call was on the first day.
Doesn't matter really. Just puzzled me.

girliefriend Sat 12-Jan-13 20:44:25

Have just watched on 4od, thought they all seemed lovely but a bit bonkers as well!! My mind can not even start to comprehend trying to sort out that many kids!!

I also think its a tad irresponsible and selfish when the world is already ridiculously overpopulated.

Oodsigma Sat 12-Jan-13 21:02:52

Re finances. I looked on right move earlier and there's still 10 bed properties in morecambe for under 200k. A few large properties under £100k so buying 10 years ago!

5madthings Sat 12-Jan-13 21:08:53

Yes they bought it years ago and it was an old residential home and needed lots of work apparently so they probably got it quite cheaply.

IrnBruTheNoo Sat 12-Jan-13 22:03:44

" if the family business did go under, they'd be relying on huge amounts of state welfare to get by"

Janey that's what I thought as well. It's rather selfish to fulfil your own ambition of having a large family without considering the repercussions of what could happen if the business goes bust. Surely stopping at two or three would make more sense, as it would be less of a burden on the State.

I like the idea of having a large family, but due to financial reasons (like so many others out there) we have stopped at two.

In spite of this, I do agree they are a loving family and all the children seemed to be raised really well, with lots of laughter in the house. I take my hat off to them for managing to raise such a large brood! They do appear to have the patience of a saint.

I did feel sorry for a couple of the children who just wanted to be left alone to sleep, yet they were getting pestered by their younger siblings. They didn't seem to get a minute's peace!

janey68 Sun 13-Jan-13 00:08:02

They are certainly a loving family, but many of the children did say they wished she wouldnt have more babies , which made me wonder whether sue is doing what she wants rather than what may be best for the whole family.

A couple of things: did anyone else notice that it implied noel drove the entire 21 hours to France?? It mentioned him going straight off to the pool to supervise the kids despite having been awake for 36 hours. Not Very safe. Why couldn't sue share the driving, particularly as it was made clear by the kids that its sue who wants frequent holidays. Being pregnant doesn't render one incapable!

Also - minor point but very unfair to have daughters called milly and Tilly. Poor kids!

pigletmania Sun 13-Jan-13 00:51:07

Yes they are a lovely family, but need to tie a knot in it really. It is selfish on the other children, Te doctors have told them that with each pregnancy cartels a risk of hemorage, so she could die. This would leave those kids without a mother. The ady said sh is not addicted to having chidren, oh yes you are the average person se not have 16 chidren. Just enjoy what you have!

Oodsigma Sun 13-Jan-13 08:55:43

I wasn't sure Sue drives as they talked about him coming home to do the school run

janey68 Sun 13-Jan-13 09:04:06

Yes, noel seemed to be starting work at 5 and then having to nip home later to help get the kids ready for school and drive them there

He seems a very easy going patient chap and clearly if it works for them then good luck to them. But I certainly picked up that the underlying theme was that sue really likes being pregnant and having babies (and holidays) and its more about what she wants than the other family members. All she has known since age 14 is having kids and doing housework, so I wonder whether it's a comfort zone thing- she literally doesn't know anything else.

I too was quite shocked about the medical side, where it was clear that she is now putting herself at serious risk with each pregnancy. I don't know how anyone can continue knowing that

Yes , it's definitely a dependency whatever she said about it not being so

IrnBruTheNoo Sun 13-Jan-13 11:12:09

"sue is doing what she wants"

I agree with you here, Janey. She's not thinking of the rest of the remaining siblings, when she is fulfilling her own desires to have even more children. It is very selfish of her.

CremeEggThief Sun 13-Jan-13 11:23:12

She does seem addicted to newborns. I don't think her eldest daughter, who had her first child too, will follow in her footsteps somehow. In fact, I'd say that'll be the case for most of the kids.

greencolorpack Sun 13-Jan-13 11:32:29

In my experience the children of big families who grow up in crowded surroundings will do anything they can to avoid living like that as adults, thus that mother is creating sixteen future mortgage owning tax paying, successful people, and shes doing the nation a great favour. They will probably also know how to organise their own children and households very well having been set a good example by mum and dad.

janey68 Sun 13-Jan-13 12:17:12

Greencolorpack- that may very well be true, but I don't think it's having a large family which creates that . They would still be good parents if they'd stopped at 2 or 3 kids. So I think it's pushing it a bit to claim that they are doing society some huge favour by having 16!

pigletmania Sun 13-Jan-13 12:43:16

I totally agree janey, it seems to be what she wants, is not considering the chidren when she has another child. She said she will not stop at 16, so could end up reproducing until s is biologically not able to, she is 37, so that could be another 12 babies, which is unacceptable and down right selfish. She set a precedent by starting at the beginning of her fertile years at 14. Time to stop.

pigletmania Sun 13-Jan-13 12:55:03

Her husband could put his foot down, I think they are both addicted

IrnBruTheNoo Sun 13-Jan-13 15:18:43

agree with you too pigletmania I think the mother is a lovely person, but quite naive to think that she's doing it with all the best intentions. I am sure it is lovely growing up in a large family, but the other side to it is that the children are getting less and less attention from Mum and Dad. They are not going to get the same opportunities other children get in life, which I do find sad. I don't just mean in financial terms, but emotionally. How on earth can you possibly have one to one time with each child in that family when there's only the two adults??

IrnBruTheNoo Sun 13-Jan-13 15:19:57

greencolorpack that seems very naive to think on these terms. Having two children brought up with the same values in a household would produce like minded adults too, surely??

oldebaglady Sun 13-Jan-13 15:22:28

janey, unless she is forcing him to have unprotected sex, then he can't be neutral bystander in the amt of pregnancies she's had! She didn't get herself pregnant! He knows by now how it works!!

IrnBruTheNoo Sun 13-Jan-13 15:25:15

But the main focus was Sue in the documentary, Noel was only just getting a word in occasionally, IMO. She was the one who said they may not be done just yet near the end. I was speechless when she said that! Is she not considering the others involved in all of this? The children she's already brought into the world?

Galaxymum Sun 13-Jan-13 19:59:24

They seemed a lovely family, didn't seem to have any issues. But I came away from the programme thinking how lucky she had been that there seem to be no children with medical problems or SEN. If she had had one child with serious health issues and been spending hours on end at hospitals or had to stay in with a child and fighting for that one child's rights I doubt she and he would have had time to produce many more.

greencolorpack Sun 13-Jan-13 23:30:47

IrnBru maybe I am naive but I have known a few women who grew up in huge crowded, poor houses and they were obsessed with being "successful" and
Living in big houses, over accommodated. They worked hard at school and university and they paid their taxes.

janey68 Sun 13-Jan-13 23:54:01

But so do many children from smaller families grow up To do well and get good qualifications and jobs. If you look at the evidence, the correlation is between having loving, supportive parents, oh and if the parents are in employment then that makes it more likely the children will in turn be in employment. Thats why (hopefully) the radford children will do well. Not Because there's 16 of them .

lollydollydrop Mon 14-Jan-13 00:34:18

It made me sad the part where one of the little boys said that his mum would probably just keep on having babies and forget about him sad

oldebaglady Mon 14-Jan-13 13:12:45

yeah I remember that bit, the little ones saying how when they grow up and move out someone else will take their place sad

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 14:30:07

"It made me sad the part where one of the little boys said that his mum would probably just keep on having babies and forget about him "

It says it all, really. How special do you feel when you're one of 16.

fancyanother Mon 14-Jan-13 15:31:40

I've just decided to watch this after reading all the threads on it. I feel like I watched a different programme to some of the people on here! I didn't think many of those kids looked entirely happy at all. Rather they looked resigned. A lot of the boys especially seemed to just look a bit sad. Do they not have school friends at their birthdays? Do they just spend time with each other all the time??
And Sue did just seem obsessed with the newborns. Noel was left to look after all the older kids on holiday while Sue paddled about with the baby, he was doing all the cooking/ looking after/ ferrying around while she presumably did the housework/ ironing ( things you try and do with no kids around) I presume she was in hospital for so long with the last one because of the risk of bleeding/haemmorage, so they couldnt send her home, she was worried but clearly not worried enough to give it a rest and think of her existing family.

juule Mon 14-Jan-13 15:42:21

I don't understand why Noel couldn't have gone home once they realised the hospital wasn't going to induce until the following day. He could have been there for his 12 year olds birthday.

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 17:44:17

exactly fancy! Think we must be the minority on this thread, as it seems everyone else has the rose tinted glasses on and thinks it just ever so lovely to have such a big family and isn't it just wonderful they have so many brothers and sisters growing up, and Sue is fulfilling her dreams of being a mum to so many children and she just loves all those babies....well, yes, it's nice but if it was that brilliant why isn't everyone doing it? There's a good reason for that, most folk realise that financially and emotionally raising sixteen children (through choice) would be a headache. I personally could not think of anything worse. The programme was entertaining to be honest, they have used their situation and sensationalised it to make money (I am sure the small bakery they own is not enough to keep them all fed and clothed and provide holidays and passports).

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 17:46:10

I do have to say that several of the children who were free to make comments on the documentary made a joke of the situation they're in, but many a true thing said in jest sad I do feel sorry for them not getting enough one to one time with each parent. It's so unrealistic, you cannot manage that every day with each child.

Sue does seem a genuinely nice person, but has never known how to be anything else in life. She's led a rather sheltered life that seems to be all about babies babies and more babies.

juule Mon 14-Jan-13 17:55:49

" I do feel sorry for them not getting enough one to one time with each parent. "

Depends what you consider enough one to one time. Would an only child whose parents work and who has out of school clubs/classes have enough one to one time? Do children at boarding schools have enough parental one to one time?

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 19:22:30

Rather than taking my comments and twisting them, I think it's quite clear that I meant each child getting regular time with one parent every few days or so. How on earth can this happen when there's 16 children in a household? Let's be realistic here.

As others on this thread have pointed out, there were children who did not look happy about the news of yet another baby being born into the family. The more babies brought in, the more the children felt pushed out.

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 19:24:04

IMHO, it's extremely selfish to carrying on having baby after baby without considering the repercussions it will have on the existing children.

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 19:28:00

Sue was already told that she's already putting a huge strain on her body with each pregnancy now, so surely that's enough reason to stop adding to the massive brood. If anything happened to Sue, or both, the children would all more or less be getting placed in state care. They probably hadn't really thought of worse case scenario before embarking on having such a large family though....

fancyanother Mon 14-Jan-13 19:44:53

Exactly, it wasn't about one to one time all the time, just that the children just seemed to be one of a crowd the whole time. They had no idea what it felt like just to be on their own for a bit, or what it was like to have some time with a parent. Its irresponsible and unnecessary. i agree with others also who say the financial figures just dont add up either. That bakery is supporting 18 people, including the one child who was working there. It all seemed a bit co dependent.

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 19:46:48

but fancy they're milking it from all the media coverage, that's how they can fund their lifestyle and will probably chance it and go for baby no. 17.

IrnBruTheNoo Mon 14-Jan-13 19:50:19

"Its irresponsible and unnecessary"

Hear hear!

If the parents are wiped out, we're all screwed as we'll be funding their children's state care. All because the parents just couldn't help themselves having child after child after child....

Not something that would bother me normally with a family who stop at say 3 or 4 of a family, but to end up having to cough up for 16 or 17 siblings.. Not even worth thinking about the figures...

buildingmycorestrength Mon 14-Jan-13 20:13:34

I just read on her blog that they get six week old babies to sleep through by crying it out without a dummy...surely that is bonkers? Six weeks old?

juule Mon 14-Jan-13 20:32:02

irnbru I don't think I was taking your comments and twisting them. The children looked cared for. Some of them might not have looked too happy about another baby and that might have been because the prospect of another one made them unhappy or it might be that they are used to it and bored with the whole thing or its a non-event to them or something else. There are many parents who have a hard time introducing a second baby to their firstborn. We have no idea just from watching a one hour snapshot just how much time the parents spend with each child.

juule Mon 14-Jan-13 20:34:27

fancyanother "They had no idea what it felt like just to be on their own for a bit"
How can you know that?

pigletmania Mon 14-Jan-13 22:43:56

Can't be a lot if they have 16 and want to have more. Bloody hell tie a knot in it, and concentrate in the ones you have

lollydollydrop Tue 15-Jan-13 01:27:29

They probably didnt have much opportunity to spend time by themselves! Big house or not, 16 is a lot to expect that individually any one child could get much time on their own. Not that they would want to be on their own though- they all ended up sleeping in the same beds every night!! I wonder how the parents are fostering any sense of independence though, lovely as sibling love is, dependancy is not healthy imho.

IrnBruTheNoo Tue 15-Jan-13 09:15:59

juule it's quite obvious (even without watching the documentary) that a family of 16 children means that each child is not going to get much opportunity to get time alone much in the house!! It's not difficult to work that out...yes, it was just a snapshot of their lives, but the children who were of school age did not appear to be pleased about the situation they were in. From what I remember, one of the girls was just wanting to be left alone to sleep without her siblings climbing into her bed, she look exasperated at one point. I felt very sorry for her just not getting any space to herself.

IrnBruTheNoo Tue 15-Jan-13 09:18:01

"I just read on her blog that they get six week old babies to sleep through by crying it out without a dummy...surely that is bonkers? Six weeks old?"

Will have a peek at the blog. That just sounds cruel, tbh. Perhaps they should invest in real life baby dolls instead.

juule Tue 15-Jan-13 09:47:07

"Irnbru" 15 children (I don't think the eldest son lives with them) in a 10 bed house could surely find somewhere to be alone if they wanted to. So, worst case, 15 children / 9 rooms would mean 6 sharing with one other and 3 with their own room. That's without taking into account non-bedroom rooms in the house. I think those children would get more opportunities to be alone than some smaller families in smaller houses.

IrnBruTheNoo Tue 15-Jan-13 10:02:30

Not quite as easy when children are running around all over the place though, regardless of the number of rooms in the house.

fancyanother Tue 15-Jan-13 11:08:02

My 2 year old howls when his brother shuts him out of his room when he wants a bit of peace and quiet. I just drag the little one away (because I can) How much sway do you think one child saying 'just leave me alone of a bit' would have with 8 siblings beating down the door? The older one who was pregnant couldnt even get any peace trying to get the nursery together without kids trying to climb through the windows! If you love kids, love the ones you have!

juule Tue 15-Jan-13 12:13:45

"with 8 siblings beating down the door? "grin that conjures up such a funny image. So you think the older children would be joining the younger ones and laying siege to any child who wanted to be alonegrin. I'm sure the family have worked out the best way to give someone (or more) some space. Off the top of my head using stair gates could probably put paid to any little ones bothering older ones.

juule Tue 15-Jan-13 12:17:50

Plus,of course, any 2yo who isn't welcome by an older sibling at any particular time would probably have a sibling who did want to play. One of the benefits of a larger family is that there is usually someone else to play with/chat with. smile

EmpressMaud Tue 15-Jan-13 12:28:48

I think Fancy has a point.

Though I'd have liked to have seen more, it was only a snapshot after all, and difficult to judge. They didn't seem to do anything with the children e.g. crafts, hobbies, activities and so on. But this may not have been the case, and it simply may not have been shown on the programme.

IrnBruTheNoo Tue 15-Jan-13 13:52:15

"They didn't seem to do anything with the children e.g. crafts, hobbies, activities and so on"

I can't blame them Empress, I would be totally f*cked looking after all those children, tbh. Never mind having the time to do arts and crafts!!

I only have two and struggle to have the energy to do activities with them as it is. Glad we all like different amounts of children, as it's not meant for everyone having a large family. Each to their own!

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 18-Jan-13 19:04:45

it was sad when the younger boy said " his mum would probably just keep on having babies and forget about him "

out of the mouth of babes sad

taking the door handle off the door is dangerous, and personally (being a nanny) i wouldnt be impressed with all the younger kids mucking about and getting in and out of bed - esp as the dad just smiled and didnt seem bothered

why have 16 children, esp when putting health at risk with each pregnancy - grandpa didnt seem too chuffed with so many grandchildren,let alone rem names

but all seemed sweet/well dressed /mannered etc, and the house was clean and tidy

and did you notice all the girls names seem to end in eeeeeeeee sound, like tillie,katie, amie, milly, sophie, ellie, daisy grin

HDee Fri 18-Jan-13 19:32:00

Blondes, why should they care what 'grandpa' thinks? And I bet dad isn't half as patient at bedtimes when the cameras aren't there.

I never heard the boy say his mum would forget about him.

IrnBruTheNoo Fri 18-Jan-13 19:33:15

The little boy did make a comment as Blondes describes. Very sad.

margot1962 Thu 18-Apr-13 00:00:37

why?

margot1962 Thu 18-Apr-13 00:06:52

They will get about £6000 a year in child benefit from the tax payer

margot1962 Thu 18-Apr-13 00:10:46

In addition to that, they must be getting at least £800 a month in child benefit. Someone else is paying for that. Sorry sad((( !!! I have two children at uni and it costs a fortune!!

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