Borgen Series 2

(176 Posts)
Bellebelle Fri 04-Jan-13 20:19:22

Anyone else looking forward to this starting tomorrow night (BBC4, 9pm)?

I loved the first series and have been using serious willpower to stop myself buying the second series or looking up spoilers online (Denmark and some other countries are a year ahead of us). Have to confess that I have read some articles which give info of some of the plot lines but I won't put on any spoilers other than to say that it sounds good but a bit hard going at times, a lot darker than series 1.

Seriously don't think I've ever been this excited about a television programme, I actually wish the BBC would just show one episode a week rather than two back to back to draw it out for longer!

TorianaTollywobbles Fri 04-Jan-13 22:06:56

Oooh yes, looking forward to it too. Have just put on to record.

I was just about to start a thread about it, but thought I'd better check that there wasn't one first!

I can't wait. Do you know how many episodes it is (so I can plan my social life around it!)

redlac Fri 04-Jan-13 22:40:50

Sky+ all set up and ready to go but will prbably end up watching it. apparently season 3 has just started in Denmark!

According to wiki there are 10 episodes

Yes in sky planner all ready to go.

Bellebelle Fri 04-Jan-13 22:46:47

Yes, 10 episodes and they're showing them as double bills so it will run for 5 weeks. Also recording it here but will be trying to watch them when they're on (and save them for a re-run as I did with S1).

Was going to say that I definitely won't be going out on Saturday nights for the next 5 weeks but two weeks tomorrow is my birthday...

...well it's my birthday, I'll do what I flaming well like grin

AloeSailor Fri 04-Jan-13 22:48:34

I'm very pleased about this

MunchkinsMumof2 Sat 05-Jan-13 09:45:23

I am so excited about Borgen coming back, it's such a well acted and cleverly written show. Yay!

MunchkinsMumof2 Sat 05-Jan-13 09:46:27

Happy Birthday Borgen loving Bellebelle thanks

Bellebelle Sat 05-Jan-13 11:17:59

Thanks Munchkins my Birthday isn't until the 19th but I'm so excited about Borgen tonight that it may as well be!

Have to keep on reminding myself its not real, Brigette, Katrine, Kasper, they're not real people...

I've read that there's going to be a screening in Edinburgh (where I am) of the last episode in February - with special guests. Imagine if Brigette was actually there!

MunchkinsMumof2 Sat 05-Jan-13 11:25:27

Sorry, didn't read your post properly, Belle. It would be amazing to meet Brigitte!

FiercePanda Sat 05-Jan-13 11:26:37

I can't wait for 9pm! I loved series one, can't wait to see how series 2 pans out.

diddl Sat 05-Jan-13 18:11:20

I´ll be watching also.

Seems ages since S1 was on.

lendi Sat 05-Jan-13 18:38:57

Very keen to watch as love the old scandi-dramas but didn't catch the first series. What do you think- go straight for second series or wait and get box set to watch both series?

guineapiglet Sat 05-Jan-13 20:01:47

Hi - another one waiting with anticipation as well - loved the first series, definitely start with that lendi as it will give you lots of background and insight into all the characters, it was brilliantly acted and brilliantly written.

I read a piece today about how Brigitte's husband is now 'universally hated' ( tv critic). Firstly I thought he was utterly gorgeous, but thats beside the point, I thought it showed the realistic stresses and strains such a marriage would be under and how temptation would never be far away. After all, it happened to John Major! Only an hour to go..... waiting patientlysmile

MavisGrind Sat 05-Jan-13 20:10:03

Another looking forward to series 2 - not least for some Scandi Interiors shopping inspiration these lights for starters?

Bellebelle Sat 05-Jan-13 20:42:05

guineapiglet I've read that too, I think it's a bit much that he's hated but I felt so disappointed in him. You're completely right that it was a realistic portrayal but I think he gave up to easily - what do you expect if you're married to the PM?

20 minutes and counting...

That was brilliant. Although, I was disconcerted when the PM from Killing III turned up. Great ending, and Philip and Kasper were as gorgeous as they were in series 1.

smugmumofboys Sat 05-Jan-13 23:04:25

Loved it! Birgitte is so well written and played. I think it's all well written in fact. You also get to see all your The Killing faves too!

Shallow point: I don't like Katrine's new hair do.

Bellebelle Sat 05-Jan-13 23:07:25

Great episodes, loved every minute of it. Poor Bent, I wish Birgette had said sorry a lot earlier though.

Can't see Lotte lasting long, obviously a poor substitute for Katrine as far as Kasper is concerned and I thought she was a bit annoying.

Anyone feel that Kasper is actually running the country? He seems to be the main influencer on the PM and the press? grin

Bellebelle Sat 05-Jan-13 23:08:36

smugmumofboys First thing my DH said - don't like her hair

Rosyisgonnabeamummy Sat 05-Jan-13 23:11:42

On record for a more alert time of day. I'm addicted to all things Norse. Thinking about learning the lingo just so I can watch without subtitles

Pantah630 Sat 05-Jan-13 23:17:14

It was great, loved every minute. Tears at the end, stopping myself looking for spoilers smile

guineapiglet Sun 06-Jan-13 11:13:53

Hi all - well thoroughly enjoyed last nights episodes, particularly the one set around Afghanistan, very well crafted, and raised issues most of us have forgotten to consider about the war and our part in it....... I found myself crying when the father was talking to Brigitte about his son, really well acted, and in the second episode at Bent's bedside- so both episodes moving in their own way - I love the way it moves from the universal to the personal all the time - the son asking to go and stay with his father - etc - utterly brilliant. I still wonder why we can't have drama like that.

Copenhagen looked gorgeous in the sunshine. We went a couple of years ago and loved it, will definitely return, need to learn some more Danish!

diddl Mon 07-Jan-13 19:33:18

I´m just watching & so far have spotted "Jan Meyer", "Theis Birk Larsen" & "Kristian Kamper".

diddl Mon 07-Jan-13 19:35:28

Oh, and "Ulrik Strange", of course!

Bellebelle Mon 07-Jan-13 19:47:12

It was really odd watching the two Statsministers together on screen!

diddl Mon 07-Jan-13 21:15:47

It´s not a good picture, but I love how she has her hair here-sort of like a fan.

Anyone know how to do it?

thepeanutsparent Mon 07-Jan-13 21:45:18

Hi sorry for jumping in but yy diddl that hairdo is great!

thepeanutsparent Mon 07-Jan-13 21:46:22

Hi sorry for jumping in but yy diddl that hairdo is great!

diddl Thu 10-Jan-13 08:34:43

Well, just finished watching & Bentsad

vjg13 Thu 10-Jan-13 10:45:14

I think you need some sort of bun type gadget to do that hair style. I'd forgotten how good it is, the acting is amazing and it is so moving at times. It puts British drama to shame.

Anyone else screaming at the scream for someone to ask Bent if he was ok when he was about to collapse?!

diddl Thu 10-Jan-13 10:50:37

Yes I was thinking-look at him-*CALL AN AMBULANCE*

And then crying a bitblush

I like Bent!

thepeanutsparent Thu 10-Jan-13 19:15:08

Bent is so lovely. In fact the characterisation all round is just superb. Will we see more of STB ex do you think? He was a big part of series 1 and it seems a little unbalanced without him. Or maybe the emphasis will be more on Birgitte's relationship with Kaspar.

Bellebelle Sat 12-Jan-13 20:26:06

Yay! It's Borgen night again, looking forward to the next two episodes.

diddl I share your admiration for Birgette's many immaculate but probably-unachievable-with-out-a-hairdresser hairstyles. May look a bit closer at those weird spongey hair roll things next time I'm in in Boots though... I did find myself dressing slightly 'sharper' for work on Monday morning, she looks great despite heartbreak and running the country!

There's a trailer on the BBC4 website for tonight's first episode with Birgette's ex in it, suggests that we're going to keep on seeing him as they work out how to be divorced.

I was really struck by how involved Kasper seems to have become in Birgette's decision making process, he's her press adviser not a politician and in one of he early episodes of S1 (the Greenland one) she made a point of saying to him when he disagreed with something that it was her job to make the policies and his to sell them to the press or something along those lines. She seems so lost without Bent or Philip to consult, and it seems that everyone else is out to stab her in the back as we saw with Kruse last week, so she's relying on Kasper heavily. I can't help but think that it's going to end badly though, he'll make a bad decision on her behalf at some point or maybe go to far leaking information to Katrine and it will all blow up. The script writers seemed to signpost trouble ahead quite clearly showing that Kasper's still lying about his past and Lotte's point about him opening the second bottle of wine. I hope not because I like the way the relationship between Birgette and Kasper has developed, the bit last week where he said "in Brussels no one can hear you scream" followed by the synchronised coffee drinking was brilliant.

Anyway, enjoy viewing tonight.

Tak!

Pantah630 Sat 12-Jan-13 22:00:30

Oops, probably should of shut the curtains blush

Bellebelle Sat 12-Jan-13 23:11:13

And Katrine and Kasper need to learn to close the door! grin

Pantah630 Sat 12-Jan-13 23:38:51

Great acting by the actor playing Troels, could feel his despair rolling off in waves.

mathsconundrum Sun 13-Jan-13 11:14:44

I'm obsessed with listening to the Danish accent and the funny names esp, Troels Hoxenhavn. It sounds so Geordie. Can hear Cheryl Curl's 'noo amoonia' hair advert voice in the accent.

guineapiglet Sun 13-Jan-13 15:43:17

Brilliant two episodes last night, all very relevant to us here in the UK - dodgy politicians, corrupt press, bribery, membership of the EU, sound familiar? I love to watch her, she seems to handle everything so confidently, whilst all her personal life plays out underneath, I know I couldnt do it! Really felt for her as she sat on the steps and wept whilst the rest of the family were out meeting the new girlfriend < was furious when she appeared in the flat with the front door key with Max looking for his PSP - would she really be allowed to walk in the PMs house like that? Wouldnt there be security at the door?> - although I guess that is the point, Brigitte is a 'normal' woman living in a 'normal' house - and a relatively normal life, in touch with normal people - loved it when she jumped upon Kim mending the sink!!! Good for her, although fairly predictable that he lost HIS job - lots of parallels with illicit sex,(K and K, Hox and photographer, B and Kim) and the difference in the effects of these liaisons) - so well written......

WeeWeeWeeAllTheWayHome Sun 13-Jan-13 15:45:01

Haven't read any of the thread but wanted to ask if watching this series without watching the first would be possible. It sounds just up my street but I haven't the money to buy the first series!

guineapiglet Sun 13-Jan-13 15:54:01

Hi - as you can see great enthusiasts here - can you get it on iplayer/catch up etc? I guess you would still enjoy it without the background, but its a bit like the West Wing, in that it spent the last series scrupulously building up the characters and their predicaments, so you might lose the brilliance of it overall - if that makes sense? But give it a go anyway, its fabulous.

TorianaTollywobbles Sun 13-Jan-13 17:44:05

Loved last nights episodes.

Did anyone else feel really sorry for Marrot, after all those silly rumours and then him losing it at the seminar. Just really felt for him. Labour lost two leaders in a short time.

Will Kasper and Katrine ever get it together?

AloeSailor Sun 13-Jan-13 18:26:04

I'm starting to have an major crush on Kaspar.

MooMinCow Sun 13-Jan-13 18:51:14

Amazing episode. Loved how she jumped her driver, Hanne/Katrine playing detectives, Marrot/Hox drama and of course the tragic ending - poor Troels hmm

And am loving hating Laugesen in a boo hiss panto manner. What an odious vile man shockhope he gets what's coming to him at the end of the series!

guineapiglet Sun 13-Jan-13 19:13:22

I have a major crush on Philip, I'm sorry I know he is portrayed as weak and vain, but he is very human.... I can see why she can't let him go. She looked so gorgeous in her leather trousers with her thick tresses, surely they will realise what a mess it all is and work it out.

Agree MooMin - do hope Laugesen gets strung out, but look at Leveson over here, he will retire as a multi millionaire and nothing will change with his paper.

I really miss all Katrine's colleagues at TVE1 and hope, somehow she and Hanne will end up going back there. Right, back to the ironing!!!!smile

Sugarice Mon 14-Jan-13 10:25:41

Love Kaspar! He's so sad underneath, I'm sure his traumatic childhood will come out at some point this series.

Everything about this show is brilliant.

thepeanutsparent Mon 14-Jan-13 19:16:45

Kasper must have done something to himself in the intervening months between S1and S2 because he's definatley newly hot! Yum.

Oh god I love the women on this show so much. Best line of he week goes to Hanne "should have thought of that before you started drinking with an alcoholic". Loving the burgeoning friendship between her and Katrine, it makes me warm to Katrine more.

Don't like Philip at all this series, his insensitivity to Birgittes feelings don't fit with how we saw him at the beginning.

Can't wait til next week- is Laugeson going to make another play for the labour leadership?

fifitrixibell Wed 16-Jan-13 22:46:19

I have to confess I'm a bit obsessed with Borgen - it's just so well done. I even love the fact it doesn't gloss over the political nitty gritty, but shows the complexity of the important decisions that are made in government.

But I have to watch it on my own - I don't want to share it with any one blush

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Thu 17-Jan-13 01:24:14

Enjoying series 2! Much as I enjoy the crime thrillers, Borgen is so good smile.

Felt Birgitte's discomfort being ambushed at home in domestic chaos by Philip and gf after two failed attempts when she had the house and herself looking lovely...

Oh dear jumping her driver's bones, scene straight out of Bored Housewife and Randy Plumber. Not in the least surprised when Kim scuttled off to the press after Kasper's clumsy handling of the clearing up.

Will Katrine and Kasper end up together? Imagine Lotte writing in to MN Relationships:
My DP is so secretive, we have been happy but I am beginning to think he is too friendly with his ex, Katrine...

Sugarice Thu 17-Jan-13 08:51:40

Kaspar loves Katrine, he should just finish it with Lotte and tell Katrine, dammit Kaspar tell her!

thepeanutsparent Thu 17-Jan-13 19:04:17

But Doesnt Katrine know he loves her? I thought she just doesn't want to be with him. I do though ! grin

diddl Thu 17-Jan-13 20:10:03

The guy playing Kaspar was also in Forbrydelson2(?) wasn´t he?

Bellebelle Fri 18-Jan-13 10:25:04

thepeanutsparent Kasper was always hot, he was just portrayed as being so sleazy in the early episodes of S1 that it was difficult to even go there. I think it was only once we knew about his childhood that we were meant to start warming to him a bit. I know this because on re-watching S1 from the start I couldn't believe that I hadn't noticed how gorgeous he is! The actor who plays him is a pretty big deal in Denmark afaik, he's been in some critically acclaimed films and does lots of theatre work Didil you're correct, he played the soldier David Gruner in TK2. There is also a photo on his official website where he looks so devastatingly handsome that you may actually forget to breathe for a second or two (or maybe that's just me wink)

I don't know if Katrine knows that he loves her or not. When they did the flashbacks to their relationship in S1 and showed them breaking up she said something like "I think we love each other but this doesn't work." Whatever it was she said it sounded as if they'd never actually told each other that they loved one another at that point. She couldn't bear the fact that he constantly lied about his family and that mistrust affected the whole relationship. I think it's really difficult to understand what Katrine thinks of him, she seems to swing from regarding him as her closest friend and confidant (she called him to sort everything out when Ole died in the first episode) to acting as if she despises everything he stands for. Her response when he told her he couldn't be in contact with her anymore was odd (you're punishing me for having sex with you) as you would think she would be able to read him and realise that it was because she rejected him. I do think that her lack of 'getting it' with Kasper kind of discredits the fact that she's meant to be this amazing investigative journalist but it does draw parallels with Birgette's story of having a great professional life but failing in her personal life. In any other drama I would be totally confident that the writers would let them get together in the end but given this is Borgen where there seems to be so much personal misery against the backdrop of successful careers I don't want to bet on it.

I felt unbelievably sorry for Birgette in these episodes, the scene at the breakfast table where she was talking to the kids about meeting the new girlfriend was well played. I can recall a spookily similar conversation from my childhood with my Mum and sister when I was about the same age as Laura and I think I reacted exactly the same.

fifitrixibelle If you haven't already guessed I am also obsessed with Borgen (not just because of Kasper!). I find it really difficult to get out of my head for at least a couple of days after I watch it. There is honestly nothing else on TV which has come close for me. My Mother is genuinely perplexed that I don't want her to babysit tomorrow night so that DH can take me out for my birthday! I watch it with my DH and it is slightly uncomfortable viewing, I work in a job which has long unsociable hours but I'm lucky enough to really enjoy it and I have ambitions to continue to progress in my career and ulitimately get a very senior job. Does mean that I'm away from the DD's quite often but my DH takes on more than his fair share of domestic responsibilities, it's okay most of the time although it causes friction from time to time. My DH is pretty vocal about Birgette and we definitely don't agree on her, I know she isn't perfect but I can completely see things from her point of view while my DH has written her off as selfish and egocentric. We've had to agree not to talk about it as I get really cross! Probably because I take the criticism personally although I know it's not meant that way at all. I do find it all a bit depressing though, I think Borgen is a very realistic portrayal of how women struggle to have a successful personal and work life, that no matter how open-minded and liberal men are there are some deeply ingrained gender roles which come through when the pressure is on. Before Birgette became PM she was leader of the party so surely Philip was used to being the main carer and had been for some time. I know that becoming PM would have hugely upped the ante but it seemed to be more about a power thing, he felt emasculated by her position.

Looking forward to tomorrow's double bill again but it's all going so fast!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Fri 18-Jan-13 10:32:19

The time does fly by, I can never quite believe the full episode is finished by the end.

The Kasper/Katrine story is a classic, "Can't live with you, can't live without you". Not saying she is entirely uncomplicated but he has lots of baggage so maybe if he ever gets time to sort out his personal affairs, he'll be open to making a fresh start with Katrine, once free of his past.

OliviaPeacein2013Mumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 18-Jan-13 10:41:39

I watched Borgen first last year, then Killing 1, 2 and 3 and now Borgen doesn't really cut it for me in the same way - for some reason Sarah Lunch much more watchable than Birgitte (although her hair is fab when she does it in that bun that looks like pastry <shallow> grin)
But that's not to say I am not enjoying it.
DH and I also have a French thing Engrenages Engrenages which we have started to watch too.
But I do like a bit of Castle too blushgrin

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Fri 18-Jan-13 10:43:04

Engrenages, ooh edgy! Laure is something else, isn't she? Great cast.

OliviaPeacein2013Mumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 18-Jan-13 11:00:14

We are only 2 eps in - it's v edgy/gruesome (DH had to read out the soustitles during the post mortemsgrin
Pierre looks like Will from WIll and Grace imho

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Fri 18-Jan-13 11:06:14

Mmmm, Pierre Clement, (can't do accents), <bucket of cold water required>.

MunchkinsMumof2 Fri 18-Jan-13 11:38:33

I too love Borgen more than I should and think about it between episodes. This series is better so far and I feel sorry for Brigitte as she can't have a happy family life and be a successful State Minister. Can't wait for tomorrow's double bill!

Yes, I think about it till about the Tuesday, and then in Thursday the anticipation starts to build. I think it's because the subtitles make you concentrate. I was just saying to DH on the way home from work how much I was looking forward to it...

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 12:28:17

The Times review for tonight's episodes is actually making me feel a bit anxious! "Emotionally explosive" apparently...

VestaCurry Sat 19-Jan-13 12:34:17

Love love love the influx of Scandinavian series. Plus, what was that fantastic French series - female police detective, a corrupt red haired female lawyer?

There have been some great US imports over the years, but some less so and it's great that the net is widening.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sat 19-Jan-13 13:19:57

Over here they called it "Spiral" or in France known as "Engrenages" starring Caroline Proust.

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 16:38:22

Watched a few episodes of S1 of Spiral (on Netflix I think). Really enjoyed it and must go back to it soon although still have all of Homeland S2 to watch. I find I don't have time to watch anywhere near as much good TV and films as I'd like grin

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 19:12:17

So... they're showing the last 2 episodes of Borgen at the Edinburgh Filmhouse on 3rd Feb (day after they're screened on BBC4) followed by a Q&A with Sidse (Birgette!)

Tickets purchased already but now have to think of a 'killer question' to ask her. Considering completely bypassing any attempt at asking a well thought out, intelligent question and asking how on earth she gets the bun in her hair THAT BIG!

You have two weeks to submit your question suggestions smile

guineapiglet Sat 19-Jan-13 19:31:31

Eagerly awaiting tonights episodes, from the hype in the papers today, they are going to be rather sad in places ... we shall see.

Am very envious of you going to see her in the flesh, I do love it when she speaks english so naturally, impeccable accent and vocab. Sickening!

I guess my killer question would be to ask her exactly where she gets her inspiration from - which politicians does she admire and try to emulate - I ask because we were discussing this with the kids the other day - which politiians do THEY admire and think do a good job ( this after watching PMQs with both of them - they are teenagers - they were horrified at the way everyone shrieks at each other, talk about raising blood pressure.....). They couldnt really think of anyone AT ALL which was very sad. I would love to know who Brigitte is modelled on, if anyone, as the way they always conduct their politics seems very grown up and civilised.

Would love to know how it goes. Maybe we could get her as a guest speaker on MN?

MooMinCow Sat 19-Jan-13 23:00:55

Poor Kasper hmm

Loveisblue Sat 19-Jan-13 23:01:02

that was heartbreaking.

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 23:01:21

Brilliant yet again, that final scene may be favourite ever. Need to watch all over again.

smugmumofboys Sat 19-Jan-13 23:02:05

That was the best bit of TV I've seen in ages. Kasper's storyline was heartbreaking.

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:03:05

Hello everyone <waves>
Have missed the thread for the first couple of weeks but HAD to find you all tonight to ask - was that (ep 6) one of the most powerful hours of drama to hit our screens? The unfolding of Kaspar's story, even worse than we had imagined. The terrible pressure on Brigitte's daughter. The lines about not robbing our children of their childhood. Just - awesome <gavel>

MooMinCow Sat 19-Jan-13 23:03:28

Am glad dippy Sanne is back and horrid secretaryfembot Jytte got fired

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:04:12

x-post!!!
chinks glasses with everyone wine

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:05:29

Here's hoping Sanne is more organised this time, though - and doesn't feel the need to shag Kaspar again - I saw the look she gave him wink

MooMinCow Sat 19-Jan-13 23:07:23

Oh and shame that dishy Amir has left... (Sorry probably lowering tone).

But yes, great episodes... That bit when Kasper and Birgitte were practising the debate and he lost it... shock

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sat 19-Jan-13 23:08:30

sad poor Kasper.

He trusted Katrine enough to share that secret.

Glad Sanne is back.

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:13:10

does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that Katrine might be pg? the whole kaspar does not want children thing has just been expressed too often tonight. obviously it's integral to tonight's storyline but i did wonder if she was willing to take the role with hasselboe because she needed to be in a job for more than just financial reasons iykwim...
also - i was slightly worried when Birgitte put the anti-d's in front of the picture of her son. it crossed my mind "i hope they aren't foreshadowing there..."

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:15:56

Just started reading the thread from the start - Happy Birthday *Belle!"
wine and thanks
smile

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:16:47

That should have been Belle, of course blush
<rusty emoticon>

MooMinCow Sat 19-Jan-13 23:29:25

Wasn't she pregnant and MC in the last series too Teej?

That Sven Age creeped me out shock

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:36:33

moo she was, but iirc that was to Ole.

Sven Age - a "country bumpkin" version of Nigel Farage - we're not very far off having people with that type of outlook in our own Parliament....

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 23:37:54

Thanks Teejwood smilewine

Also delighted that Sanne is back, I felt a bit sorry for Jytte though. She was obviously 'old school' and had no idea what it's like to have children. The writing was on the wall for her in episode 2 when she was giving Magnus a drink in Birgette's office though.

I mentioned when I started this thread that I'd seen a couple of things in articles about S2 and one of them was that Kasper's story was more horrific than we had seen in S1 so I knew it was bad but as soon as there was mention of his father's 'friends' my heart sank. I hope that Birgette's comment about giving him a day to think to Niels Erik was the indication I think it was that Kasper will be back, it wouldn't be the same without him.

Not sure about Katrine being pregnant or not although I thought that the fertility symbol statue Kasper gave her for her birthday had to 'mean' something so maybe there's something there...

Sleep now although I'm sure I'll be back with more to witter on about later in the week.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sat 19-Jan-13 23:38:36

Winced when Torben invited Katrine to cover that other employee's job to cover 6 months' maternity leave.
Nice and loyal of her to insist on Hanne getting work too.

Poor Lotte.

Happy birthday BelleBelle thanks

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 23:41:37

MooMinCow she had an abortion after initially wanting to go ahead with the pregnancy. She changed her mind through a combination of her Mother telling her how hard it would be on her own and then being confronted by Ole's widow at his grave. That's why I'm not convinced she would be pregnant again now, feels too soon as far as the scriptwriters would be concerned.

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:41:52

I love Spiral - but it def wins the award for gritty and explicit over the scandi dramas grin
I also love Montalbano, though. It's a different vibe - the sunshine, the endless eating, the resident fool, everyone being over-dramatic
Most of you already know my feelings on TKI, II and III and The Bridge...
<subtitled imported BBC4 drama tart>

Bellebelle Sat 19-Jan-13 23:44:43

Thanks Donkeys winesmile Had a great time sledging, eating, generally being spoilt and of course getting tickets to see Sidse.
Emotionally wrung out now though

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:48:58

omg had forgotten about the fertility statue - there has been so much action packed into these episodes! yy - Katrine will be pg by the end of the series if she isn't already.

I deliberately have read nothing in the papers (saving them up to read at the end) so I'm not spoiled, so tonight was a complete shock and sad

Need to think of a q for you, Belle. Am v jealous you'll be seeing her in person. I did see Krister Henriksson (Wallander) walking out of a hotel in London with his wife, but decorum prevented me from ambushing him so I could start asking questions grin

teejwood Sat 19-Jan-13 23:50:56

Oh - and anyone else think Jytte might end up leaking the details of Laura's issues to Laugesen, just the way the fling with the driver didn't remain secret from him?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sat 19-Jan-13 23:56:28

Sounds great fun Belle you should sleep soundly after that lot.

Back in Borgen world, do we think all is well with Philip and Cecilia (sp?) or is it not quite as perfect as it seemed? When he suggested sitting and talking after their daughter went to bed, Birgitte was quite brusque telling him he should go.

Then when she broke down sobbing whilst cleaning her teeth afterwards I was reminded of that remark "no-one can hear you scream" - she has to maintain her cool all the time.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 20-Jan-13 00:00:08

Jytte could run to the press teejwood but I thought she was a cold fish, professional civil servant who probably wouldn't, (probably proved wrong next week!).

teejwood Sun 20-Jan-13 00:04:57

yy - glad you had a great day, Belle smile

Donkey I couldn't help but feel that Cecilie is a right kick in the teeth to Birgitte. Younger, blonde, and a child specialist - could Philip have picked someone more ideal to undermine Birgitte if he tried? I'm just waiting on him to suggest she is too busy to look after the Dcs and he and Cecilie should have them when they move to the back end of nowhere. Probably after one of the children OD on the anti-d's. Because the writers are that cruel to Birgitte. I'd love to think he's having second thoughts - but I doubt it. I think he's just trying to salve his own guilty conscience.

teejwood Sun 20-Jan-13 00:07:26

Donkey Agree re her being a professional and I don't think she'll run to the press per se, but Laugesen has a lot of contacts and seems to have his ear everywhere so I suspect he will get to Jytte somehow and thus find out about Laura.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 20-Jan-13 00:12:02

You're probably right and by end of the previous episode, I thought Philip would suggest the children move to new love nest on the coast. School issue would probably prevent that but PM's losing out to Saint Cecilie at present. The children do deserve a fair amount of attention and time from both parents.

Sugarice Sun 20-Jan-13 09:47:14

Brilliantly acted and directed again

The way Kaspar relieved his abuse was so subtle yet horrifying as was Brigitte's breakdown in the bathroom.

It's so sad to see Laura in turmoil, I hope she's going to be ok.

Thank god he told katrine he loved her although it'll still be rocky I'm sure.

Can't wait for next weekgrin

VestaCurry Sun 20-Jan-13 11:12:37

Thanks Donkeys - Spiral is fabulous too, totally different of course. It's just great to have some really superb drama series to watch. I really really look forward to these subtitled series.

vjg13 Sun 20-Jan-13 15:34:17

That was an amazingly good episode last night. The acting is incredible. Kaspar's story was so much worse than we thought.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 20-Jan-13 18:44:47

Pined for these foreign dramas over Christmas, not one box set was I given. Yes the acting is exceptional.

guineapiglet Mon 21-Jan-13 10:21:14

Yes,I agree with you all, these two episodes were really compulsive viewing, my husband has given up on any conversation with me whilst it is on, just have to watch - but spend a lot of time thinking about it afterwards, it is so 'real' - all things pointed to Kasper's horrific past in the last series, and when he handed over his box of memories to Katrine it was so heartbreaking - they did it with great depth of feeling, very convincing.

Birgitte's handling of Laura was so real to me, having had similar problems with my own daughter, denial ( ish) initially 'you will go to the camp and enjoy yourself' and then overwhelming guilt and disbelief at everything breaking down when you feel you can't hold it together - when she was cleaning her teeth, I wept with her! I hated her having to be almost bullied into accepting the Anti depressants - as her mother it would have been so much to bear. Still think Philip is gorgeous but his character seems very mean and self centred. Not sure Cecile is all she appears either, hated it when she had to collect Laura and assumed the moral high ground.

Is this why we all respond to Birgitte? She is so normal and human - I cannot imagine the Camerons living in normal house with little or no security, and with no childcare arrangements to pick up the kids in case of a crisis.... also delighted to see the return of Sanne, she was a wonderful character in the last series, treated very badly at the end.

thepeanutsparent Tue 22-Jan-13 17:01:17

Oh oh oh! Gosh I'm rung out after those 2. I had to wait and see it on catch up in the week.
Poor Kaspar, love him. That last scene between he and Katrine... Beautifully done wordlessly.

Ok I had a thought there about the significance of kaspars back-story to his current job: the deceptions, cover-ups, contrasting loyalties and twisting of truths.

I agree Philip will try to take the kids away from birgitte. Was proud of her for changing her mind re the antidepressants, having done research and thought it over. Despite everything she is a good mum.

minxthemanx Wed 23-Jan-13 19:47:57

OOh, just found this thread! I ADORE Borgen, the best programme I've watched in a long time - I'm new to this series, and am addicted. Like you all say, brilliant acting, script, storylines. I just can't wait for Saturday nights. Is it worth me getting the first series on DVD or waste of time now the story is developing in this series? I just LOVE it. And really like her.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Wed 23-Jan-13 19:55:23

I'd get it, if only to see how things were when she first became PM. It's not vital to see it but some useful back story to the 2nd series. Plus of course husband Philip appears more frequently in Ser 1. wink

I never thought I'd get hooked after enjoying crime thrillers. Can you tell I'm a fan too.

Bellebelle Wed 23-Jan-13 20:09:19

Minx Welcome!

Definitely recommend getting the first series on DVD purely because its such amazing TV. As Donkeys says I think it will also give you a different perspective on Birgette as you see where she came from and can better appreciate how much her life has changed.

So lucky to still have S1 to watch smile

Graceparkhill Wed 23-Jan-13 21:26:07

Hi Belle Belle- just wanted to say thanks for info about Edinburgh Filmhouse on 3 rd Feb. The original screening sold out in record time as did a second one so the lovely people have put on a third show and DH and I have tickets!!
Apparently Sidse is doing a q&a at all 3.
Soooo excited.

Bellebelle Thu 24-Jan-13 06:41:51

Grace Yay! So glad you got tickets, they seem to have finally satiated the appetite of all the Borgen fans with that third screening as it hasn't quite sold out yet. Poor Sidse is going to be knackered, maybe I should invite her back to mine afterwards for a cuppa and a real in depth chat about the hair smile

thepeanutsparent Thu 24-Jan-13 20:53:17

Can't believe you lot sre going to be in the SAME ROOM as Birgitte! Today I spoke to a bloke whose wife is Danish, so obviously I asked him if they watch it in Danish. He said yes and they're already watching series 3! Also told me that 'Borgen' means 'the castle' which is the Danish nickname for parliament.

What time's the third screening? I'm swithering between coming along and watching it on the sat night.

Graceparkhill Thu 24-Jan-13 22:07:13

Hi Agent- the extra screening is at 1405. Tickets went on sale at noon yesterday . Box office chap told me original show sold out in 30 minutes.

Bellebelle Thu 24-Jan-13 22:25:37

I'm undecided on whether to watch on Saturday night and then re-watch at the screening or waiting until the Sunday to watch. DH thinks we should definitely wait for the full 'cinematic experience' but I'm not sure, I tend to watch it twice anyway.

My favourite thing on the TV by miles. I think Birgitte, and the actress who plays her is excellent.

The last episode was amazing, we finally got to understand Kasper's back story, it was so horrific.

The Brigitte bun that was being asked about is really easy to do. Put your hair in a pony tail, at the centre back of your head IFSWIM, and when you are pulling the tail through the bobble for the last time, don.t pull it all the way, leave your hair looped in the band, the loop should be a couple of inches long. Wrap the tail ends of your hair around the ponytail band to hide it, and pin with a hair grip underneath. Fan out the loop into the bun shape and pin to your headwith a few Kirby grips. <et voila>

Thanks, Graceparkhill. I'll see if DH fancies a trip through...

janesnowdon1 Fri 25-Jan-13 09:01:24

Wow - finally caught up on catch up with Saturday's episodes. Poor,poor Kasper-brilliantly done, revealing the full horror bit by bit. Love the actor - he looks so hangdog and in need of TLC

Love. love, love this series - so jealous of the screening in Edinburgh - come south please!
A few queries though-
I didn't understand why it said in the VHS report of the stabbing of his father that kasper/Kenneth was sent to Juvenile detention? (thought if he was under the age of responsibilty he would have been free?) Any ideas? - didn't seem that different then to what would happen in UK and surely he would be in therapy and his dad and "friends" charged with abuse instead?

We also thought that it was a bit rash to prescribe anti - d's to Laura after having 1 panic attck meltdown and being a bit withdrawn etc. Surely you would try relaxation and visualisation techniques first or even some betabockers.

Really felt for Brigitte in the bathroom - been there so many time myself - very real. Agree with everyone about how fantastic Sidse is in the role.

Bellebelle Fri 25-Jan-13 13:42:15

Janesnowdon1 I think the age of criminal responsibility simply determines how you are tried (a youth court or adult court) and the subsequent sentencing. Someone under the age of criminal responsibility who carries out a serious crime such as attempted murder will still be punished but there are limits on the severity of the punishment i.e. a child under the age of criminal responsibly can't be given a life sentence. That is a very simplistic explanation and is more based on UK law but explains why Kasper was still punished for his crime despite the fact that it might have been classed as self-defence. It's comparative to people who murder an abusive partner but are still sent to prison despite the perceived injustice I guess? I think we might find out a bit more about what happened to him but I can only presume that given that Kasper must have gone to University, went on to be a journalist and then into politics that there must have been some element of counselling/rehab involved as he has managed to hold it together to some extent. He said something about leaving home when he was 15 in the episode in S1 when we first learnt about the abuse so assume that he can't have been in the detention centre for more than 3 years. Maybe he was sent home but then left again and reinvented himself.

I agree on the Laura anti-d's too although quite a few things seem to happen quickly in Borgen for dramatic effect and the 10 episodes are over 1 year so it's sometimes difficult to know how long things have been going on in the background.

They did a screening of the first episode of S2 in London before Christmas and the actress who plays Katrine (real name Birgette - confusing grin) did a Q&A. The organisers have said that they'll do more around the country.

Sugarice Fri 25-Jan-13 13:45:47

I'm already looking forward to tomorrow night, we watch the first episode downstairs then race upstairs to watch the second in bed. We have it down to a fine art. grin

It's great not being able to anticipate where the episodes will lead, it is never predictable is it?

janesnowdon1 Fri 25-Jan-13 17:17:59

Thanks Bellebelle that makes a lot of sense.
Sugarice- no it is never predictable and very thought provoking. I watch it with my 2 teen DD's - we just love it. We all had a tear at Bent holding Birgitte's hand in hospital and our faces covered at some of Kasper's story.
The Afghanistan (1st episode) also prompted a lot of discussion in our house.

teejwood Sat 26-Jan-13 22:01:19

Oh this so isn't going to end well. Laura kept that pill, didn't she? <shudder>

And obviously the whole thing about the Crone (?sp) consultant being involved in war crimes is going to come out and scupper the whole thing. Is she being set up by hesselboe, do you think, given that the Crone guy is one of his buddies?

teejwood Sat 26-Jan-13 22:59:50

Poor Birgitte sad
I'd love to think that that was the sign of a thaw in the relationship with Philip, but the writers are just so cruel to her.
And the report about being proud of the statsminister when she was feeling anything but that way about herself. sad

teejwood Sat 26-Jan-13 23:01:36

btw MooMin - am assuming you will have been happy with tonight's eps - the return of Amir! wink

Bellebelle Sat 26-Jan-13 23:03:51

That last scene in the hospital corridor was heart wrenching.

Quick question, do you think that Birgette being PM/the divorce are purely to blame for Laura's condition. Or is it more likely that she was already predisposed to anxiety (brain chemistry etc) and difficult home life have exacerbated?

smugmumofboys Sat 26-Jan-13 23:05:09

Poor Birgitte. I feel exhausted just watching it. It's just so well written and beautifully acted. I really felt for little Magnus.

teejwood Sat 26-Jan-13 23:13:11

wombling meant to say, thanks for the tips on the Birgitte bun grin

Now jealous of Belle and Grace [benvy]

teejwood Sat 26-Jan-13 23:18:05

Belle re Laura it's got to be a combination of everything, hasn't it? Predisposition, compounded by pressure of having mum as pm and so not around as much as she normally was - at a really difficult, hormonal time for Laura when she needs that reassurance - then not even having dad around to speak with and hug or confide in. Instead, the divorce meant she was getting even less attention from both of them and having to deal with the emotional upheaval that comes from your whole understanding of the world - of mum and dad being forever, home being home - being turned upside down.
It's mirroring again, isn't it? Birgitte being unable to offload her stress to anyone and Laura the same....

teejwood Sat 26-Jan-13 23:19:06

agree smug about Angus - he so wanted to do the right thing, bless him, and then feels like it's his fault when it all goes wrong..

louisianablue2000 Sat 26-Jan-13 23:19:44

Such a good pair of episodes tonight. I was reminded of The Hour when the businessman gave Katrine and Hanne the story about the oil. Giving them a story that appeared attractive to hide something bigger to protect himself. Or his northern allies.

Poor little Magnus having the whole Laura story to deal with.

I watched some of the first series on iplayer but missed some of it, I might have to get the DVD now.

upinthehills Sat 26-Jan-13 23:43:03

Well, I blame Philip for a large part - he left Birgitte her when the whole family needed him the most. She is the State Minister - that has got to be bloody stressful - she goes to Africa for 3 days and then lead negotiations day and night.

Surely any decent Dad steps in surely to fill the gap - where was he? One night on the sofa and then the au pair does not cut it imo!!

Oh and Kasper and Katrine need to have a serious chat about work / life boundaries - if they don't sort that out quick they are doomed again..... but loving the fact they are both happy for once.

Godnat..

MooMinCow Sun 27-Jan-13 09:16:04

Hi Teej! Yes was most pleased Dishy Diwan was back (swoon). Have been laid up in bed with flu all week and it was just what the doctor ordered wink

yes, KasTrine/KatPer really need to stop taking sensitive documents home with them... They know they can't trust themselves!

guineapiglet Sun 27-Jan-13 10:26:47

Agree with you all, what a powerful couple of episodes - again the universal and the personal brilliantly written about - the role of world peacemaker - wonderful to see Birgitte looking temporarily elated then horribly deflated in the space of a few hours.

I feel very torn watching the Laura story - am so glad that the writers have brought such a complex illness to our screens, it is a relief to have it out there and for people to realise how devestating it is - it is all a bit near the bone for me having been through something very similar with my own daughter, and I sobbed for the family at the end sitting in that corridor - the effect on Magnus having to watch his sister spiral down, and the seeming unawareness of all the adults getting on with their own lives and preoccupations whilst it happens. Agree - Philip should have been there all the time for her, and the au pair ( lovely but very young) should not have been left to cope with this on her own - as a parent the guilt watching your child deal with this pressure is overwhelming - another tough call for women who 'want it all' - career vs family life etc, children taking the consequences of adult decisions. Laura had really been carrying this burden of responsibility for a long., long time, she has acted the part very realistically and convincingly. In the end I had to give my job up to help my child, wonder whether this is going to be the writers story for Birgitte.

TorianaTollywobbles Sun 27-Jan-13 19:24:19

Good to see Bent back again, was rather worried he would have a relapse in Africa or something. Very relieved he got back ok.

Also nice to see Kasper and Katrine together and happy, how long will it last?

Final two episodes though next week already sad

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 28-Jan-13 10:46:03

Watched the 2 episodes on consecutive days. What a triumph for Birgitte and co - then no time to savour it, plunged into desperate worry over Laura.

I understand the desire for Laura to feel in control but it did cross my mind when she lied to her father about taking her tablet that first time, was she deliberately risking her health to get Birgitte and Philip together?

Glad Kasper and Katrine struck a life/work balance.

Torben looked quite out of his depth with Birgitte, Katrine and Hanne!

thepeanutsparent Mon 28-Jan-13 19:33:49

Nothing to add here really except I absolutely savoured the 2 mins or so that Birgitte was allowed to feel on top of the world.

Happy for K&K - hoping it lasts til the end of series.

Going back in the thread a bit, I do think a Katrine pregnancy is on the cards- it will be a fitting absolution for kaspar trying to grow out of his childhood and subsequent unhealthy coping strategies. And Katrine had that funny conversation with Hanne on get birthday and mentioned kids.

Don't like Philip at the mo- he's not good enough for Birgitte as it stands. He absolutely should hAve stayed over more than 1 night.

Last episodes next week, sob!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 28-Jan-13 20:29:35

Pregnancy for K and K, tpp?
That would be an exciting note to close Ser 2 on, wouldnt it?!

PS forgot to say Get Well Soon MooMinCow!

MooMinCow Mon 28-Jan-13 20:40:56

Aw thanks Donkey! Am slowly getting there smile

Can't believe it will all be over soon. Wish they would spread the episodes out more (one Sat, one Tues would be perfect). Have heard talk of The Bridge 2 - anyone know more? I need my Scandi Saturday fix!

Thanks Tee!

Just watched the last episodes, just wow! The second episode was like a mini film, the scope was so wide.

I agree that Phillip needs to be around for his kids a bit more,mail most all the domestic responsibility seems to fall on Birgitte.

It is such a refreshing novelty to see women centre stage, but not perfect IYSWIM. All of the women in the programme are hugely impressive, but human too. This doesn't hamper their ability to be instrumental and powerful. I had to laugh at the scene with Birgitte, Torben, Hanne and Katrine. The way that Hanne cut Torben off was priceless. Nice to see the shoe in the other foot for a change.

loachey Fri 01-Feb-13 22:51:13

I've been reading the thread but always behind as I don't normally get to watch until at least a few days after so I rarely comment.

I think the absence of Philip was purely for the storyline and a little bit too convenient. In the first episode of this 2 parter, Birgitte dropped on him with no notice that she was going to Africa and he stayed, no question and slept on the sofa. This time he wasn't even mentioned and the au pair was staying. No mention of what he was doing.

However, I still love the program and think its one of the best things that's been on TV and DH is away tomorrow night :-) so I can watch it with my glass of red!!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sat 02-Feb-13 18:25:59

{Social etiquette}
Is it rude having accepted an invitation round to some other couple's for dinner to ask if we could eat our meal on trays on our laps in front of "Borgen"?....yes?.. no? grin

Perfectly acceptable, Donkeys. In fact, you could even take your jammies so you're comfier when you're watching it. wink

Bellebelle Sat 02-Feb-13 19:45:10

Donkeys Surely it can be assumed that this is what your hosts have planned anyway? Why else would you invite people round in Borgen Finale night?! grin

I'm not watching tonight as have the screening and Q&A with Sidse tomorrow. We have the last 3 episodes of Homeland still to watch so filling up Saturday night with those instead. Not sure what/who I'm more excited about seeing tomorrow the last 2 eps or Sidse...(kidding, it's seeing Birgette/Sidse of course!)

Apparently The Bridge 2 isn't going to be shown until Autumn (it was Spring last year) so a long wait and then it will be Borgen 3 the following January. Feels a bit like we're running out of Scandinavian drama as I've not read anything about anything new they've still to send us. Spiral 4 starts on BBC4 next week, I've only seen a few episodes of S1 - those who have seen first 3 series - can I jump in or do I need the backstory?

Enjoy tonight's episodes everyone, I'll be back with a report after my Statsminister experience smile

redlac Sat 02-Feb-13 20:53:01

belle enjoy tomorrow! I'm insanely jealous as I was planning to go, got my dates mixed up and will now be at a soft play birthday party instead sad. I feel there will be a lot of love for Sidse flowing around the Filmhouse tomorrow

Bellebelle, I tried to get tickets last week but they were all sold out. Enjoy. envy

teejwood Sat 02-Feb-13 22:00:42

OMG - am floored. I bloody love that woman <fictional girlcrush>

teejwood Sat 02-Feb-13 22:01:39

right - Katrine is going to need to POAS in this ep, isn't she?

teejwood Sat 02-Feb-13 22:04:38

Oh dear, Theis Thorsen is going to make a mess of this, isn't he?

teejwood Sat 02-Feb-13 23:00:26

What a woman. What a character. What an actress.
<sob>
Belle tell Sidse she is awesome
<gavel>

smugmumofboys Sat 02-Feb-13 23:03:29

Just loved that. Fabulously well written and acted. Birgitte is such an amazing character.

Belle please just squeeze her from me.

mathsconundrum Sat 02-Feb-13 23:04:47

This grand finale can only be topped by the statsminister advertising shirts for Boden. That would have the mums creaming themselves.

teejwood Sat 02-Feb-13 23:12:00

right - just catching up on posts since last week.

guinea am glad your daughter is better and hope you think the writers dealt with it sensitively?
MooMin hope your recovery still going well
Donkeys can't believe someone would be so insensitive to invite you around tonight without it being for the express purpose of joint enjoyment of Borgen 2 shock

Feck it, it's great to have Birgitte in the driving seat again. Philip is trying to snuffle around again and she knows it. Laura is getting better. She has surprised everyone by calling the election when she's in with a shot. They have almost given her a happy ending - wine and un-mn {{hugs}} for everyone grin

teejwood Sat 02-Feb-13 23:16:57

Math shock Birgitte would never do Boden
<gavel>

MooMinCow Sat 02-Feb-13 23:22:01

Hey Teej!

Recovery slower then I would like, but after watching Birgitte wipe the floor with everyone I'm inspired to do the same with my feeble ailments wink

What a woman, wonderful episodes. Wanted to cry and rage with her when the paparazzi were harassing poor Laura (excellent acting by her), then pump my fists in the air when Feeble Phil announced he'd dumped Cecilia (with an air of expectation - idiot)and at her speech at the end.
Phew!

And KatPer/KasTrine are going to have a baby (hopeful).

And slimy Laugesen was made to squirm for a change - hope something really horrid happens to him next series.

Need a lie down now!

mathsconundrum Sat 02-Feb-13 23:29:07

Tak Sven Åge

unitarian Sat 02-Feb-13 23:59:57

Lurker here.
I wanted to punch the air. What an ending! Brilliant.

iwantavuvezela Sun 03-Feb-13 08:19:05

Love this series. What a great last two episodes ....... Being on the third!

Sugarice Sun 03-Feb-13 14:00:46

I am gutted that this is over, gutted!

Right, when's The Bridge back on?

guineapiglet Sun 03-Feb-13 19:18:44

Yes, I too feel rather bereft that it is all over! We have really enjoyed this series - do wish we could have such a charismatic and human prime minister like her! Really good last couple of episodes, looks like it is all going to be OK for K and K now, foudn Kasper's visit to his Mum very touching, she still loves him and knows him as her song suggested.

The depiction of Laura and her subsequent rehabilitation was brilliantly done, and she really needed Birgitte with her at her side all the time, slowly it seems, Philip realised what was at stake - why does it take men so long to work things out - why did he launch into a relationship so quickly, very unfair on all involved. The Prime Minister's life will always be under scrutiny but this was total invasion, and seems to echo the Leveson issues over here, no-one should be subject to such invasion of privacy.

It all ended on an upbeat note, loved seeing her take control and address the feminism issue, - good for her, she is an 'icon' for our time, really human, sympathetic and credible. Can't wait for the next series. Justified, next I hope!

Did anyone see the DM article about series 3 won't link as it has a kind of spoiler! So sad my Scandi dramas have finished. I have been practising the bun but I just can't get it that big!

MooMinCow Sun 03-Feb-13 20:30:19

There is also an article/interview with SBK in the Sunday Times Style mag today. She looks amazing (think I have a girl crush!)

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 03-Feb-13 20:36:38

3 cheers for Borgen. Great final episodes! Loved how time off caring for Laura helped her too - bright colours, hair down, daylight shots - then back to business sharp and on the ball, back in the driving seat.

Lessthanaballpark Sun 03-Feb-13 20:47:01

Just watched it. Fantastic ending with her stirring speech and all the women MPs were smiling.

That Laugesan is a slimey toad....

And what about Katrine, now Kasper finally wants to have nippers but she's just told Torben she's not having any...... oh lordie ... I've got a whole year to worry about that until it comes back into my life. sad

Vagndidit Sun 03-Feb-13 22:10:29

Coming out of lurkdom here...

I am gutted, GUTTED, to have discovered this is the end of the series. I thought we had another week.

My life will be empty without my weekly Birgitte fix. Am still grieving for Sarah Lund grin

Bellebelle Sun 03-Feb-13 23:28:47

Tonight was amazing! Those last two episodes were amazing! Sidse was amazing and lovely and funny and sparkly and just lovely!

Still a bit giddy (if you couldn't tell) and have too much to do for tomorrow (have done virtually no pre-Monday prep today due to the building excitement) to post everything just now but will be back tomorrow with full report.

She was just LOVELY...smile

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 04-Feb-13 00:13:30

Lucky Bellebelle tell us all about it smile.

Lessthanaballpark fear not, do you remember Torben marvelling at how 'good' Katrina had been whilst on short contract ie showing humility? and how he sort of missed her being a PITA? Something tells me he won't be altogether surprised (possibly not even too savage) if she tells him she's preggers... wink.

unitarian Mon 04-Feb-13 18:45:34

I really feared that Birgitte would have to compromise, that the final outcome would be that women can't have a career and young children successfully. I feared she would throw in the towel.
How wonderful that she found a way through it all and was triumphant - and that Philip realised what he had thrown away.

I think she's going to find a new man in the next series, that Katrine will have to figure out the family life/work problem in her turn and Amir will feature prominently.

<drums fingers on the kitchen table while waiting for BelleBelle to come back with all the details>

I know who her love interest is in the next series. He's a hunky Scot! (Ex Monarch of the Glen, for anyone who remembers that.

Also, was Nicola Sturgeon at your session, BelleBelle? I hear she's a big fan.

Graceparkhill Mon 04-Feb-13 21:43:11

I too am waiting for Bellebelle because it is thanks to her that I heard about it.
Anyway my thoughts are:

It was amazing - the atmosphere was electric with anticipation . The two episodes were greeted with applause and when Sidse came on it was a bit of a rock star reception.

She was wearing a red "tartan "outfit - jacket and tight trousers with her hair loose. Not very style and beauty of me but best I can offer.

She seemed genuinely amazed and a bit overwhelmed at the reception.

She came across as super intelligent,modest and funny. One questioner described her as a role model and she was quick to point out that her character was the role model and she is an actress.

My DH who was reluctant to schlep over to E'burg was deeply impressed by the whole experience !

Bellebelle Mon 04-Feb-13 21:51:45

...and I'm back.

Okay, so what I thought of last two episodes first. I have to say that while watching Borgen on the big screen was pretty epic (the scenes at Liseholm looked amazing) it made it feel different in a way I'm not sure I liked all that much. Given that I barely let DH talk when it's on at home it was rather off putting being in a cinema full of people tutting, murmuring etc throughout. There was also a lot of laughter at parts which I don't think would normally be comedic (the parts where Kasper and Katrine were arguing at the flat they were viewing) but as someone else has since pointed out to me one of the effects of transferring it to the big screen was that we saw a lot more of the characters expressions. Kasper shows some brilliant comedy timing during those arguments and the scene when Philip gets into the car with Cecile after Birgette shouting at him and Cecile starts talking to him about their relationship got a big laugh as you can see him quite clearly thinking "not you too!"

I really need to watch the episodes again to fully absorb but the parts which stood out for me where:

1. Birgette telling Philip that he gave up too quickly - WE KNOW! I loved every second of that scene, everything she said was exactly what I'd thought since the end of S1 and the thing that I'd found a bit unbelievable - that he'd give up something so good so quickly. He really had no reply, just kept on asking her "how" and her response that they would have worked it out together was perfect. Her final line to Cecile that she had just finished shouting at her boyfriend was brilliant.

2. The scenes between Kasper and Laura were very well done, not much said but the connection was touching. He helped her in subtle ways and she helped him back telling him that his past didn't have to define him. I like the way that we often see actions taken by one character which will have a positive outcome elsewhere and they won't ever possibly know. For instance after Hanne and Katrine agreed not to air the information they had in episode 8 on one side of the warring counties conning the other out of oil revenues Birgette then used the same information to persuade the reluctant leader to agree to peace. Katrine will probably never know how important her work actually was and Birgette will never know how Kasper helped her daughter.

3. When Kasper visited his Mother. Possibly the most painful scene of the night but so well done.

4. Birgette sitting outside with Bent, sunglasses on head, coffee in hand - just like the old days - Yay!

5. And of course, the final scene with that speech, the camera picking up the smiling faces of the female MP's in the room, from the left wing Ann-Sofie to the right wing one who makes the biscuits, all looking on with respect and recognition. Ending with her amazing, wrinkle nosed, smile.

Then she walked in the freaking room!!!!

So, she wore a tartan suit which I found a little bit cringy at first but she actually got away with it. It looked quite Vivienne Westwood and she rocked it. She's quite tiny and so incredibly pretty, sparkly eyes and great hair (no powerbun). As we've seen her English is excellent although she doesn't speak in such a pronounced English accent as she does in the programme and she did do that charming thing of asking a few times if she had the right word for something, of course she did, she was probably just trying to make us feel better about the fact that in an audience of almost 300 we probably collectively know about 3 Danish words between us and one if them is Tak! She laughed a lot, was a bit clumsy (sat on her microphone), fidgeted quite a bit and ensured she spoke right to whoever asked her a question from the audience. Even my DH who doesn't like Birgette fell a little bit in love with Sidse I think, we all did.

I haven't got time just now to write down everything I have to share (I will return tomorrow) but the stand out thing for me (which I may have missed but I don't think it's come up in any interviews) was that S2 was meant to to be the last series and that when they filmed the final episodes they all thought that was it. S3 wasn't commissioned until after. So originally we were meant to come away thinking, well she delivered what she set out to from the start, looks like Philip is starting to regret walking away (result!), K&K are going to have babies, be happy ever after etc and Birgette found her way back again, doesn't matter what the outcome of the election turns out to be because all the good people were okay - THE END. She said that S3 is going to go in a very different direction.

Sorry, I have to go but will tell you the rest tomorrow.

Hi, hi!

redlac Mon 04-Feb-13 22:16:30

My fav bit was Kaspers face when talking to Laura about his stay in a mental hospital when he was 14. She asked how they cured him and his face was just perfect, widened his eye, put on aad expression and he said what made you think they did. Wonderful scene

What am I going to doooo, now it's over? It was fab, finally Philip got told, and left Cecile (DH calls her hippo face shock

What should I get to cope with withdrawal symptoms? I haven't seen The Killing, or The Bridge or The Wire, what would you all recommend?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 05-Feb-13 13:33:28

Thanks for that Graceparkhill and Bellebelle sounds like a great afternoon. Electric yes I can imagine everyone was thrilled. Do you know I hadn't thought about Other People's Annoying Viewing Habits, could have been very distracting! Interesting you say Sidse is tiny, it never crossed my mind, she must be one of those actors who fills the screen with her presence.

womblingalong I've never seen The Wire but I remember someone saying they found subtitles invaluable for that too!?! Just my view but although I've always liked The Killing best, (tremendous acting, great script, atmosphere) after Borgen I think I would gravitate to The Bridge next.

Thanks Donkeys!

redlac Tue 05-Feb-13 19:53:16

The Bridge first as it is pure perfection then the Killing

Ok 2 votes for the bridge, so will get the box set, <rubs hands in anticipation>

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Wed 06-Feb-13 13:57:40

Haven't spotted the lead actors in The Bridge in any of the other Nordic thrillers, which is rare. Happy viewing!

LaVolcan Wed 06-Feb-13 14:33:40

Just to spoil things - I would go for The Killing first, then Killing III, plus a few doses of Wallander for light relief and then The Bridge........

bamboozled Wed 06-Feb-13 14:37:09

The bridge, the bridge, the bridge...

MooMinCow Wed 06-Feb-13 16:40:58

The Bridge definitely. Saga Noren is fantastic character! If you don't fancy a full on series, Those Who Kill is good. Each episode is a case, with (as usual) a kick ass flawed female detective plus male sidekick (this one is a criminal/forensic psychologist)

bamboozled Wed 06-Feb-13 18:27:35

Oh yes, those who kill - fab too!

diddl Fri 15-Feb-13 09:30:39

Found it again!

Thought the ending was great!

So the guy who was Archie in MOTG will be in it-along with a new hairdo for Kaspar!!

a bit spoilery

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