The Secret of Crickley Hall

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Did anyone else watch this? Thoroughly creeped out.

I read the book a few years ago- was a great read. Looking forward to watching this.

edam Sun 18-Nov-12 22:24:01

Spooky. I've already told dh I might need him to come to the bathroom with me when I wash my face (it's that thing about washing your face and looking in the mirror and what you might see behind you...)

Interesting that they've got the whole family knowing there are ghosts in episode 1 - usually scary films on this kind of topic have the whole 'don't go into the cellar' thing going on with people insisting everything's fine. And if I were a member of that family, I'd have left immediately and looked for a hotel, or at the very least all slept in the same room!

CanYouHearMe Sun 18-Nov-12 22:30:54

There's another thread on this, with a few more who have watched it. DD who never normally watches tv was hooked.

Thanks CanYou I missed that blush

Greensleeves Sun 18-Nov-12 22:36:34

I just belted it to the toilet and back feeling like there was somebody behind me blushblush

First thing that has had that effect on me since The Woman In Black years ago (the original, not the crap modern one)

PenguinBear Sun 18-Nov-12 23:35:01

Anyone read the book and able to Message me the ending?

Really Penguin??? Incoming. Don't read it if you don't want to know!

AlfieandAnnieRose Mon 19-Nov-12 09:57:38

Edam I think because its only a 3 part series (sadly) that they are not dragging out the whole seeing and believing ghosts storyline.
I thought the program was brilliant, the last bit was scary and I was very impressed by the acting of the little girl.

TheWombat Mon 19-Nov-12 10:01:42

I thought it was great - made up for the lack of Downton on a Sunday night. Does anyone else think the little girl is the same one from the Oreos advert - you know 'Daddy I'm going to show you how to eat an Oreo. First you twist it... Etc'?

BeatTheClock Mon 19-Nov-12 10:03:40

I thought it was good but who in their right mind would stay?confused After the part where the girl was attacked in her bedroom they all just went back to sleep shock We'd have all been jammed in the door in the rush to get out.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 19-Nov-12 10:33:16

I saw it and thought it was brill. I woke up screaming in the night though. I'd been dreaming that there was a man in my room (as happened to the teenage daughter.) I terrified the life out of my dh! In my dream one of my children had gone missing, but i'm not sure which one. Will definitely be watching next week despite it causing me nightmares! It was in the same vein as Marchlands which was the best thing on TV last year IMO.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 19-Nov-12 10:41:44

I wonder who the old man is who tends the graves. Could he have been one of the orphans? (Don't say if you know the answer!) We know that the prefect boy and the abused jewish little boy are dead as we saw their graves. I wonder why the teacher girl has a withered arm.

I have recorded it ( how dare it clash with Cleb!) so will be watching tonight!

ToffeeCaramel Mon 19-Nov-12 10:42:51

and of course i wonder what happened to Cam and what the link is with Crickley Hall.

I thought it was utterly shit. The acting was rubbish, and it wasn't scary at all(I am a complete wimp). Was disappointed!

jessiegeesusinamanger Mon 19-Nov-12 10:57:09

I'm just past half way with the book and absolutely hooked. I thought I'd be ok to watch part 1 without ruining the surprise or anything so I started it. But from the beginning none of the characters were how I'd imagined them and I didn't like the Dad or the kids' acting so I turned off, went to bed and got back to the book which is really creepy.

Waswondering Mon 19-Nov-12 10:59:59

I watched it with my hand over my eyes at time .... then also had the whole fear of brushing my teeth.

BUT - the worst bit was when ds (9 - who'd been tucked up in bed since 8pm!!) appeared in our room at middnight after a bad dream - he said he could hear footsteps in the kitchen. AAARRRGGGHHH!

peeriebear Mon 19-Nov-12 11:11:36

ToffeeCaramel, isn't the old man the young man on the bike who tends the orphanage grounds? I thought he introduced himself by name.

Waswondering Mon 19-Nov-12 11:13:24

Agree Toffee - the old man (Percy) was the groundsman who is friendly with the teacher in the orphanage ....

LittleBairn Mon 19-Nov-12 11:13:44

It scared the crap out of me but I'm easily scared by the spooky. blush
I just really want to know what happened to her little boy. I've goggled and everything but no spoilers I just want to know if we ever find out what happened to him.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 19-Nov-12 11:23:23

Ahh ok. Thanks. I missed that re Percy being the groundsman. (dim.)
Oh no Waswondering How scary!

ToffeeCaramel Mon 19-Nov-12 11:25:25

LittleBairn I think we will find out by the end what happened to little Cam. Nightmarish scenario with him going missing in the park!

hattymattie Mon 19-Nov-12 13:28:15

What I didn't understand is when she marched out with all the children - where did she go with them all?

gloomywinters2 Mon 19-Nov-12 14:23:43

i watched it can,t wait for the next episode wasen,t scary for me as i watched it on bbc iplayer during the day. if i was the girl who got whipped on the bed i,ve demanded to go home at once.

hatty I think she went to the police or something, she tried to report the brother and sister for abuse but they said the children did it to each other, and the children were too scared to argue.

DuchessofMalfi Mon 19-Nov-12 15:28:08

I posted on the other Crickley thread last night - it really scared me. DH was sitting next to me - he read the book a few weeks ago - and I had to keep asking him questions. He said even though he'd read the book and knew what was coming it still made him jump. I just had to know which characters were the good ones and which were evil grin

shelleysho Mon 19-Nov-12 17:28:15

The village of Hollow Bay in James Herbert's book "The Secret Of Crickley Hall" is based on Lynmouth in Exmoor National Park, Devon and Devil's Cleave is the East Lyn Valley and Watersmeet.

The book brings together two stories, child evacuees during WW2 and the famous 1952 flood disaster that destroyed Lynmouth.

Watched it last night. I thought it was really good. Especially the special effects of the shadows running around. Kind of like you would expect to see ghosts. Horrible when she was hearing his little voice though sad

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 09:21:07

I was thinking that if i were in her position i would have never wanted to let the top stop spinning so i didnt have to stop listening to my child's voice. sad

notimetotidy Tue 20-Nov-12 10:32:05

How can anyone say this isn't creepy? I spent last night wrapped in my duvet in my DS's bed (he has a double so didn't realise I was there until this morning!) Everytime I closed my eyes I imagined the last scene where the guy with the cane leans in really close to the mum when she is sleeping and says something like 'he is mine'. Oh my god - I will never sleep on my own again!!!!!!

shrimponastick Tue 20-Nov-12 10:34:14

Definitely gives me the creeps.

I do have a very active imagination however.

Must series link it so we don't miss it next week.

Ooh, just found this thread! I watched it yesterday and was frightened and upset by the beginning and then the abuse. I kind of knew DH wouldn't want to see it so had to wait until I could see it alone. DH hates anything with child abuse or kidnappings and/or violence to women. So, so creepy and good acting.

HecatePropylaea Tue 20-Nov-12 12:39:54

I LOVED this!

I have already taken a guess about the ending grin

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 12:41:06

Go on Hecate! grin

Is that well in the basement related to the 'flood' deaths?

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 12:50:11

Maybe the orphans were locked down there as a punishment and the well overflowed and drowned them? Not sure what Cam would be being used for though.

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 12:51:45

Do we know if the teacher girl and the evil brother and sister died in 1943 too?

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 12:53:02

I really need to watch it again. The reception on our TV kept breaking up so i missed bits of it. We are getting Virgin media soon which should sort this out

HecatePropylaea Tue 20-Nov-12 12:53:47

I'm guessing either the missing son will be found in the house - down the well, perhaps, or the family will die.

I'm likely to be totally wrong - I normally am when it comes to guessing endings grin

Percy looked sad when remembering the teacher girl so she probably died, I should think, whilst trying to save/help the children in some way. The evil brother's name was on a gravestone, but I don't recall the sisters although I could have not been observant enough. Is there going to be a history/back-story to explain the evilness of the brother I wonder? I really want the son to be found alive.

Airiz293 Tue 20-Nov-12 21:39:11

Hi, If u know the ending of crickley hall, can u also send to me pls? x

Airiz293 Tue 20-Nov-12 21:42:47

Someone please send me the ending of this story!

wintera Tue 20-Nov-12 22:04:06

Wow! I'm amazed so many of you thought it was really scary. It honestly didn't scare me one bit but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it though. I did, and am looking forward to next week's ep.

Marzipanface Wed 21-Nov-12 00:02:55

I didn't find it that scary. The script and direction was pretty lame as well.

Nevertheless, it was quite entertaining and I will watch the next few. Hope it gets better.

Apparently the book is a great read.

MeanAndMeaslyMiddleAges Wed 21-Nov-12 00:33:29

Can I have an ending pm too please smile

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 00:40:13

Here's my theory....I just watched it on iplayer.

I think the older boy who was an orphan is still alive...I know we saw his grave...but I don't think he's in there.

Cam's voice said he's alive but that he's with dead people. He's down that well thing. The older orphan boy is still in the house. The vicar and the groundsman know it.

The groundman took the dog because the older orphan hates them or is afraid of them.

The girl...who teaches...she's there some way...not sure how...she will save the day either in spirit or in real life.

Aquelven Wed 21-Nov-12 04:23:15

It might not be Downton but it is Downham, the village in Lancashire where it is filmed. grin

The actual house they used is in Derbyshire though.

HecatePropylaea Wed 21-Nov-12 06:54:50

Oh. People actually know the ending?

PM me please. grin

HecatePropylaea Wed 21-Nov-12 06:58:04

I thought it was Highclere Castle in Hampshire?

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 09:21:49

No Hec! The novel will be different than the show....don't spoil it for yourself!

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 09:33:04

I don't think the missing lad is down the well. He'd be a long way from home if so. It makes no sense?

Mind you none of it makes a lot of sense.

Anyway he'd not still be alive if he was in a well/buried somewhere/whatever a year earlier.

I think I'll go and look up the book online! I don't particularly want to watch the next bit after the ending - having some weirdy ghost bloke caning people in their sleep is a bit full on imo. I don't enjoy watching that sort of thing.

The way they did the ghosts of the children was really effective though wasn't it.

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 09:39:23

Two things though:

1. why has the old boy stolen their dog

2. why is their second daughter called Cally when their surname is Caleigh?

HecatePropylaea Wed 21-Nov-12 10:48:48

I know, but it's a supernatural programme so logic doesn't apply grin

valiumredhead Wed 21-Nov-12 11:42:52

Rooney I thought the same! grin

Is the book better than the series?

I think Percy has taken the dog as he knows the dog will get spooked out and is being nice.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 12:40:45

The old man said to not let the dog out....he said to keep it in. The dog was ding that mad scratching at the there something in the garden outside the kitchen?

SOMEONE is living in the grounds or within the house and that someone has the boy.

The Mother dreamed of the children before her child even went missing so they were contacting her.

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 12:47:13

Oh yes I'd forgotten about her dream at the beginning, that's important. for some unknown reason

I think he said keep the dog out, but he wouldn't tell if they let it in the house.

The dog was scratching to get out because something came into the kitchen, I think.

I think Percy is Ok, he wanted to tell them about the house being haunted, it was the vicar blokey wot said don't tell them or I'll stop you doing the graves.

What is the vicar hiding. Hmm

blisterpack Wed 21-Nov-12 12:51:03

I enjoyed it but I didn't think it was scary at all. Honestly, you people are wimps ;).

Evil Cribben's grave showed that his death was in 1943 too.

NigellaEllaElla Wed 21-Nov-12 12:59:01

I only watched it last night and LOVED it. DH was scared witless!

So many questions and I have no idea how they can possibly link the Crickley part up with the boy being missing but sure there will be some amazing twist.

I thought the acting was pretty good to be honest but I rate Surrrane Jones quite highly anyway, don't think she's ever been in anything crap.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 13:02:07

I thought the dog scratched because something was coming in the kitchen too rooney my sister made me think've just validated me though!

I wasn't THAT scared either...just a nice shiver really. But then I watch a lot of scary stuff!

I thought the cast was good too...the young schoolteacher is stunning and very good....the Dad's a bit meh but then his part's the worst too.

Surranne was good especially when she saw the ghosts on he stairs! Reminded me a bit of Poltergeist the movie that bit!

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 13:05:39

Oh good MrsC smile I felt funny setting you straight!

Thanks Blister, I got v confused with the shots of gravestones. That does help.

Could vicar bloke be Maurice grown up??

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 14:01:56

Yes I wondered if people who didn't find it scary watch other scarier stuff. I dont and am a wimp and i thought it was brill and quite scary.
Those who are saying Cam is alive and down the well, do you mean he is in some room off the well with underground passages that people use to deliver food or something? If that were the case how would he talk to Suranne via the spinning top?

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 14:08:21

Ooh good point re the vicar. I wonder. He seems the same type.

I think the thing about talking to each other was there before he went missing - they have that weirdy finger thing, and they were telling someone they could communicate about stuff.

I think the spinning top was just her sort of meditating.

FlamingoBingo Wed 21-Nov-12 14:11:55

Vicar bloke too young to be Maurice grown up, surely?

FlamingoBingo Wed 21-Nov-12 14:13:00

Did the dad say why he'd chosen Crickley Hall? I mean, how he found it? Has the boy been kidnapped by someone (Percy?) to lure them to Crickley Hall? But why? What would be the point? Which kind of makes my theory bollocks grin

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 14:23:51

Ok, well I've been reading some reviews and I know more than I should, now! So I'm not going to say anything else.


willyoulistentome Wed 21-Nov-12 14:25:25

i loved it too. But WHY would any right minded adult set a spinning top off on a beautiful table like that. I would FLAME my kids for doig something like that on my dining room table.

Did anybody else notice how weird and 'posessed' sounding the evil man teachers voice was when he was speaking in the basement when that boy was sent down to get a gla of water by the nice teacher?

I think Percy kept the dog to freak them out and make them leave before bad things happen. I was very relieved to see the dog was being looked after <softy>

willyoulistentome Wed 21-Nov-12 14:35:16

But the dog was totally freaked out by something. If it was just Percy coming to get him wouldn't he have barked, rather than tried to escape? Glad Percy seems to be looking after him though.

I reckon the dog was spooked by the ghost or something, and Percy just found him and saw an opportunity.

VictorAndBarry Wed 21-Nov-12 16:16:38

Is their daughter really called Cally Caleigh?

RooneyMara Wed 21-Nov-12 16:59:24

According to a review of the actual book, it's a nickname, not her real name, which would make more sense. They didn't make that very clear in the programme.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 17:22:14

willyou the teacher is SO good...what an evil voice he has!

The dog was freaked by whoever it is that is living in the house and there IS someone real...not just ghosts...I bet you!

Marzipanface Wed 21-Nov-12 17:47:19

Re: Cally, I wondered that!

CokeFan Wed 21-Nov-12 19:42:43

Wasn't the missing son was called Callum too?

They really should have run the names past MN first!

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 19:54:21

I think the missing son was called Cam (short for Cameron maybe?) Cally can be short for Caroline, but I'm not sure if it is in this case.

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 19:56:41

Thread about what Callie can be short for.

VolumeOfACone Wed 21-Nov-12 20:16:14

Percy took the dog because that ghost man was whipping it obviously.

I think her son is dead but he doesn't know it yet. They'll get rid of the bad man ghost at the end and her ghost son (who drowned in the park lake which is why he has a link to all the ghost children who drowned too) will go off with the nice ghost lady and all the ghost children. She will somehow reveal she always loved Percy and he will be happy.

Oh and I think the bodies of the Jewish boy and the prefect boy are in the well, because they said they'd never found them. I bet the villain was forcing the older one to put the younger one in there as a big punishment, but the older one isn't really as sinister as he seems, just scared because the bad man used to put him in the well too, so he will resist and they will end up both in there together, and they drown there. Maybe with the villain somehow too.
Once they find that out and bury them properly the curse will be lifted.

That's how I would tie it up anyway!!

Volume, dog wasn't being whipped I think, just creeped. They say that animals pick up on things etc.

I'm not going to spoil the ending for you wink

VolumeOfACone Wed 21-Nov-12 20:33:09

I don't want anyone to really spoil the ending!

babesdontlie Wed 21-Nov-12 21:44:49

I've just watched the first episode on iplayer and it scared me!!
The final scene when he puts his face really close to hers when she's sleeping - holy crap on a cracker (as Penny would say in Big Bang Theory)

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 21:58:29

No I don't want anyone who really knows to tell us, but i like reading the guesses of people who don't know.

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 22:01:01

I hope Cam is still alive and fine. Maybe he had to disappear for a bit to help the orphans, but then once he has helped them, time will rewind back to the day at the playground and all will be fine and he will never have gone missing.

VolumeOfACone Wed 21-Nov-12 22:10:38

Oh yes time rewinding would be good!

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 22:18:48

volume if they never found the bodies that me...that one of them is in fact alive and is responsible for taking the boy. He's hiding within the house or grounds.

blisterpack Wed 21-Nov-12 22:34:35

Why did Teacher Girl start crying when she saw Stephan's hand? She knew he'd been caned before so it looked like some new discovery. And Maurice's reference to him being bound up(?) or something because he was unwell?

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 22:40:45

I wasn't sure if he had really been wrapped up to hide the caning on his back. sad but then Maurice saying that rang alarm bells and she looked at his back and saw the caning? Could she have been bound up herself as a child causing the withered arm?

ToffeeCaramel Wed 21-Nov-12 22:45:06

I'm glad there are only three episodes as I don't think I would want more than three lots of being creeped out, especially after the nightmare i had last time of a man standing over me in my bedroom!

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 23:22:04

blister I actually think that was a bit of bad direction more than anything.

CanYouHearMe Wed 21-Nov-12 23:25:47

What else has teacher girl been in? It's bugging me.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 21-Nov-12 23:31:23

Hardly anything Canyou only one series called Blackout and that's it. She's stunning isn't she?

CanYouHearMe Wed 21-Nov-12 23:47:43

Really? I know her from somewhere. Never seen Blackout.

Fiderer Thu 22-Nov-12 07:24:55

I found it scary too. The water on the hall floor and then briefly shown on the stairs must be a clue to someone drowning in the well.
Drowning - water - the Big Flood, maybe that's poor Stefan's revenge on the evil Cribbens.

Was cheering for the teacher slapping Miss Cribbens around the face then marching out with the children.

On a less sad note, I always wanted to do that riding on a boy's bike like the teacher did with Percy.

FamiliesShareGerms Thu 22-Nov-12 07:54:09

I thought it was scary enough...

What was with Suranne's nose? (She was otherwise wonderful. I felt sorry for Mr Tamsin Outhwaite, he didn't have much to do)

RooneyMara Thu 22-Nov-12 09:34:42

What else has that chap been in? (presuming that's Mr Caleigh) I recognise him from something and we normally only have cbbc on smile Sure it isn't that!

DuchessofMalfi Thu 22-Nov-12 09:54:01

He's Miranda's love interest in her comedy.

RooneyMara Thu 22-Nov-12 09:55:35

Hmm.. I haven't seen that. It must be something else. I keep thinking Heartbeat but that can't be right surely...that was on yonks ago!

ToffeeCaramel Thu 22-Nov-12 10:10:50

Doesn't the dad Tom Ellis look like Giles Coren who was in Edwardian Supersize Me. I used to think they were the same person.

babesdontlie Thu 22-Nov-12 10:49:24

Wasn't he in Mistresses?

valiumredhead Thu 22-Nov-12 11:20:58

He is in Miranda.

valiumredhead Thu 22-Nov-12 11:21:21

Not in Mistresses.

blisterpack Thu 22-Nov-12 11:22:44

Yes teacher is very pretty, and doesn't she look like Alexis Bledel aka Rory in Gilmore Girls?

wintera Thu 22-Nov-12 18:43:21

Tom Ellis used to be in Eastenders at one point, maybe you know him from that?

"But WHY would any right minded adult set a spinning top off on a beautiful table like that. I would FLAME my kids for doig something like that on my dining room table."

I thought that too! But I guess she's not in her right mind at the moment.

milewalker Thu 22-Nov-12 19:18:58

i've read the book and have to say that so far i think the book is better.

i read an interview with james herbert earlier today and he said the bbc let him have a copy of the 3 scripts and he didn't recongnise it as his book by the 2nd script as its been changed so much so i guess the ending could be completly diffrent to the one i've read.

RooneyMara Thu 22-Nov-12 20:21:35

Oh! Maybe that was it, thankyou! I haven't watched EE for many years now but was he one of those lovely Italian boys?

RooneyMara Thu 22-Nov-12 20:26:37

Oh I see from Wiki that he was the Dr. Hmm. I don't remember him being a Dr but that must be it as I've not watched anything else he's been in!

The book is brilliant, even better than the series I'd say, argh I'm sitting on my hands as they are itching to type what happens.

But I shall resist grin

Well I hope they don't change too much because that would seriously piss me off

I watched it on catch-up last night.
10 minutes before the end DH said "I'm off to bed"
I'm "No you can't leeeeeeeave .You need to stay till it's finished"

Then went into DS room to check he was ok and he was snoring weirdly with his eyes open (My 13yo DS sleeps with his eyes open just to freak me out) shock

Icelollycraving Fri 23-Nov-12 10:18:36

I always wonder if the child actors become affected by the storylines. I thought it was acted well by the children,I found Suranne a bit annoying. The child ghosts were done really effectively.

LeonardoAcropolis Fri 23-Nov-12 11:18:16

To those wondering why the little girl is called Callie Caleigh, the book explains that her real name is Catherine but upon discovering her surname, she adopted the nickname.

ToffeeCaramel Fri 23-Nov-12 19:44:09

Only two more days and we can discuss the next episode! grin

diddl Fri 23-Nov-12 19:54:15

Haven´t watched it yet.

Is it worth it or would I be able to pick it up on Sunday?

Catsmamma Fri 23-Nov-12 19:58:59

I will watch the rest of the series and quite enjoyed it, but just to be pedantic kept drifting thinking about what a beautiful and MASSIVE house it was....why on earth would they rent somewhere like that?? Compared to their much "busier" town house
Four of them in a house that used to house a dozen or more children and teaching staff??

MrsMushroom Fri 23-Nov-12 19:59:15

Oooh no you HAVE to watch the 1st episode. You'll keep wondering what's going on otherwise. It's not complex but there are references that you won't understand.

ToffeeCaramel Fri 23-Nov-12 19:59:16

I think it would be worth watching.

ToffeeCaramel Fri 23-Nov-12 20:00:57

Imagine how draughty and cold it would be if you rented somewhere like that. Although I suppose that would be the least of your worries! grin

hortensemancini Sat 24-Nov-12 10:07:11

I assumed that the dog was trying to escape from the ghost 'flood water' rising up through the house?

Mind you, after the first spooky encounter I'd have had everyone sleeping in one bed, with the dog, with all the lights on, with the estate agent's number on speed dial ready for 9.01am.

blisterpack Sat 24-Nov-12 12:59:57

Yes I can't imagine how they let those children sleep alone knowing there are some sinister ghostly characters in the house who have form for hurting them confused. Especially as the mother seems super protective after losing her son.

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Blondeshavemorefun Sat 24-Nov-12 17:27:10

finally seen this - almost a week late, seems to be story of my life lol grin

wasnt scary as such, but the ghost man/face and whipping was a bit freaky

dog obv sensed something and sure the puddle was from the ghost/man who drowned in the flood hence the puddle of water

not sure about the magic finger, just looked a bit smaller then other?

at the beginning with man carrying child, seemed in the olden days and not her son iyswim

why would dad hire out such a huge house for the 4 of them, and why stay there after what happened to their kids, ie girl being whipped and younger daughter 'sensing' things

what/who is in that room at the top of the house?

and yes i thought the same at spinning the top on that nice table

hortensemancini Sat 24-Nov-12 17:52:53

I think this is one of those stories that's actually scarier when you're reading it and imagining it all in your own head - sometimes seeing on television (like the 'ghosts' on the stairs which didn't look like any ghosts I'd imagine) makes you notice the improbabilities a bit much.

Also there was a fair bit of 'aye, you can call me... Percy'/cut to ye olde flashback, 'Eeeh, hello, PERCY LAD!' did-you-get-that-viewers? type direction.

Flipper65 Sat 24-Nov-12 18:02:11

Can anyone tell me the true ending please?

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 24-Nov-12 18:19:35

sure someone will mess you flipper smile

but im happy to wait - not sure what the outcome will be

diddl Sat 24-Nov-12 18:51:53

Oh-I appear to have watched the whole thing online on BBC America!

Thought that it was only going to be the first ep!

Think it was quite cut though as was only 131mins!

MrsMushroom Sat 24-Nov-12 20:46:29

BBC America what!!!????? What is this BBC America? Can I watch episode 2?

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 24-Nov-12 20:50:24

Mrsmushroom - can't you wait till Tom night grin

MrsMushroom Sat 24-Nov-12 20:51:05

You can't have didl I just looked on BBC America and it says it's a 3 hour must have seen episode 1 surely? Without revealing the end....did it seem to "end" properly?

MrsMushroom Sat 24-Nov-12 20:51:39

Blondes no! I can't! I'm pretty desperate here. grin

diddl Sat 24-Nov-12 21:00:28

Well I got it through Movie2k.

Assumed it was just ep 1.

Was watching it in stages so not noticed the length.

But it was all of it!

MrsMushroom Sat 24-Nov-12 21:25:31

But that's torturous! If I go and find that and then discover it was cut...I will be dissapointed...but if its there....well I could watch it now! Are you sure it was only an hour and a half?

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 24-Nov-12 21:33:26

If you did watch it all then must have missed out loads as you saw just over 2hrs and obv it is 3 as hr x 3 Sundays


How weird sad

diddl Sat 24-Nov-12 21:50:14

It definitely ended.

And I know the secret!

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 24-Nov-12 21:56:34


Bunbaker Sat 24-Nov-12 22:48:01

Why do so many of you want to know the ending now? It would spoil the suspense wouldn't it? Or are you not going to bother watching the rest of it?

diddl Sat 24-Nov-12 22:48:36

Just found the book online & it´s not quite the same.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 25-Nov-12 10:22:21

bunbaker - i dont know-im looking forwards to tonights and then have th wait a week for last episode

cant see how bbc america showed it for 130ish mins when should be 180ish

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 10:50:13

Ooh it says in the Radio Times that when you watch it tonight you need to switch it off as soon as they start showing the trailer for next week's final episode as it gives something major away and spoils it a bit.

diddl Sun 25-Nov-12 12:11:27

"cant see how bbc america showed it for 130ish mins when should be 180ish"

Well I guess that they cut 50mins out!grin

Perhaps to show it all in one block & not over 3wks?

I tend not to bother with iplayer as am not in UK so have to load stuff to hide that so Movie2k is easier.

LittleBairn Sun 25-Nov-12 17:00:26

I'm looking forward to it tonight. I will be better prepared this time, I'm going to make sure every light in the house is on. [wimp]

Furball Sun 25-Nov-12 17:26:50

oh please no one say anything about the spoiler/trailer for next week if they do watch it. I'd rather not know but still want to read this thread about this weeks episode.

We watched it last night, nearly jumped off me chair at the end, very scary.

MrsMushroom Sun 25-Nov-12 17:40:56

Ooh thanks for the warning Toffee!

Is the little daughter also in Nativity 2 ? (Pixie in Nat 2)?

LaQueen Sun 25-Nov-12 20:36:46

Read the book a few monhs ago, and it really spooked me - espcially as DH was away at the time.

I daren't watch the TV series, because I know he'll be working away a few nights between now and Christmas [wimp]

I do think the last paragraph in the book is feckin terrifying though [shudders]

LittleBairn Sun 25-Nov-12 21:00:27

Lights at the ready...

GeorginaWorsley Sun 25-Nov-12 21:03:49

Wonder why they changed setting from Devon to the North?

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 21:16:04

What has Augustus Cribben's sister been in? I recognise her. I'm on the laptop while i watch to try and distract myself a little as I'm watching on my own at the mo.

Greensleeves Sun 25-Nov-12 21:17:06

loads of stuff
she was in at home with the braithwaites ages ago

thenightsky Sun 25-Nov-12 21:17:47

Background music pissing me off...its drowning out the dialogue.

confuddledDOTcom Sun 25-Nov-12 21:18:55

Just joined the thread, spent about 4 hours reading it on and off and finished in time to watch episode 2!

Just be glad you didn't have happen whilst watching, what we just did! The whole house's electric turned off for a few seconds confused

GeorginaWorsley Sun 25-Nov-12 21:19:36

it is so different to the book though...

confuddledDOTcom Sun 25-Nov-12 21:20:40

Toffee, it's Sarah Smart, she's been in loads of things.

thekidsrule Sun 25-Nov-12 21:49:59

oh that poor little boy i want to snatch him and take him home

kristinajt Sun 25-Nov-12 21:50:31

Hey can someone please message me the ending? smile Thank u smile

rhondajean Sun 25-Nov-12 21:53:22

I'm genuinely scared.

PenguinBear Sun 25-Nov-12 21:54:06

What is happening?

rhondajean Sun 25-Nov-12 21:58:13

Oh no someone please please pm me what happens or I won't sleep tonight sad

kristinajt Sun 25-Nov-12 21:58:53

I know.. I need to know the ending otherwise I'll be awake all week!

LittleBairn Sun 25-Nov-12 22:00:03

Do you think the old guy might be the older orphan boy, the way he looked at the door?

LittleBairn Sun 25-Nov-12 22:01:40

I'm conflicted I want to k ow the ending so bad but I've managed not to buy and read the book this week so feel I should hold out.
Plus just watched the trailer think I've worked it out.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 22:05:14

I was thinking that the fact that little Stefan doesn't really look scared or distressed at all, despite the horrendous situation he is in, is a positive thing about the series as it shows that they weren't going to distess a child actor, or even encourage him to act distressed, in the name of making it look convincing! smile

blisterpack Sun 25-Nov-12 22:05:58

It's obvious who the old man is, I don't think there is any ambiguity.

Felt so, so gutted for teacher girl sad. Miss Cribben seems even more twisted than the brother, if that's possible.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 22:11:07

Oh that is tragic that Stefan thinks kind teacher lady is going to rescue him the next day, but she won't come back as prefect boy killed her. He'll be waiting in vain. sad Although it might be the night they all drown anyway.

LittleBairn Sun 25-Nov-12 22:11:14

I was hoping the ending would have showed her escaping with Stefan I'm gutted she was killed.

slinkyboo Sun 25-Nov-12 22:12:34

I missed it!! Does anyone know if it will be repeated? I live abroad and I player is a little shaky...

How old is Maurice, thirteen!? Bloody twisted woman.

oooggs Sun 25-Nov-12 22:12:56

I am very confused now! I think I know who the old man is.

Wasn't expecting that to happen to Nancy [ sad] also Percy has waited all these years and she is dead.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 22:13:13

Yes old guy is prefect boy.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 22:15:41

Maybe she isn't really dead though? Maybe there is more to it. I reckon in a supernatural series anything can happen.

blisterpack Sun 25-Nov-12 22:15:59

Yes it makes me very sad when I think of what Percy said about waiting for her all these years to come back, and the teacher telling him earlier that they'll have their own children and be nice to them.

oooggs Sun 25-Nov-12 22:16:08

Thank you, that's what I thought

colleysmill Sun 25-Nov-12 22:17:06

The sister was also in Kenneth Branhans version of Wallendar.

Although I've seen percys mum in loads of things but can't place her.

I was less frightened this week although at midnight I won't be so brave!

Eebs Sun 25-Nov-12 22:18:06

I need to know too! If anyone is giving out the answer could you pm me as well?

TwoIfBySea Sun 25-Nov-12 22:18:24

Was watching this with dts1 & 2 and at the end I was convinced the older guy was the creepy young guy - especially after the flashback to what they did with the poor teacher. That Percy was waiting for her was so sad. Dts1 thought she had taken Stefan and run away and that is why Stefan's body wasn't found and she hadn't returned! I think I prefer his version although not as dramatic!

I think Stefan doesn't look too distressed because if he has lived as a Jew in Germany then there can't be much else he can go through so maybe he detaches his feelings. That's what I'm telling myself at the thought of that cane.

PenguinBear Sun 25-Nov-12 22:19:33

Would be interested to know if the ending was different to the book?

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 22:20:10

Did you notice that when Augustus walked down the stairs in his pants and pushed bully girl down the stairs that he had red cane marks on his own back?

oooggs Sun 25-Nov-12 22:21:32

Hmm, may have to watch it on catch up again tomorrow

ToffeeCaramel Sun 25-Nov-12 22:26:22

I was less scared today, which was partly because there was less ghostly action and partly because i was distracting myself a bit by looking on the net. i didn't want to scare myself as much as last week and end up having another nightmare!

blisterpack Sun 25-Nov-12 22:33:15

I don't think Maurice was creepy at all, as a boy I mean. He looked like a tortured soul. But it seems like as an adult all the abuse has caught up with him and he's a total psycho.

I think even abused children are like Stephan in real life. i.e. distressed only when being punished but normal otherwise in spite of everything. It's what I've observed when seeing pics in the news of children who have died after horrific abuse. They seem quite normal, even smiling broadly at the camera.

thenightsky Sun 25-Nov-12 22:35:45

ToffeeCaramel Yes, I noticed the wheals down his back. Is it the sister do you think?

colleysmill Sun 25-Nov-12 22:37:33

Thanks to the power of the internet Percys mum has been in Shameless, midsommer murders, doctors and silent witness (so quite a bit of stuff I watch really!)

Has been driving me crazy

TwoIfBySea Sun 25-Nov-12 22:40:35

Is that the whacking noises that the bully girl heard when she was snooping around? He was perhaps doing it to himself.

I'd say Maurice was creepy as he seemed to take malicious delight in taking Stefan for punishment in the last episode and he kept silently watching the teacher.

shrimponastick Sun 25-Nov-12 22:43:18

ooh excellent episode tonight.

Not as spooky ghosty, but superweird.

Love it.

I noticed that he had cane marks on his back. he probably canes himself i think

I thought the marks were scars from when he was a child, it didn't occur to me they might be recent.

MrsMushroom Sun 25-Nov-12 23:42:11

I didn't think it was as good tonight! Can't say why really...just wanted more of Cameron I think.

Moln Mon 26-Nov-12 00:11:14

Bit unhygenic dumping a body in their drinking water.

Can see the story line alright but can't figure out for love or money how Cam's involved or maybe his mum (re the dream she had way before moving there)

I need someone to tell me what the thing is with the fingers? I can't figure t out

I think they both have different length little fingers, so they're psychic.

LittleBairn Mon 26-Nov-12 07:49:29

There is no freaky fucking way I'm watching next weeks episodes I had nightmare all last night really horrible ones about the children calling out for help as he approached. sad
Please could someone PM me the ending.

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 08:05:46

Do you think the old guy might be the older orphan boy, the way he looked at the door?

The Paranormal guy? I thought that.

colleysmill Mon 26-Nov-12 08:19:09

When I woke up in the night (too scared to go to the bathroom!) I was also wondering about the Vicar who clearly has an issue with Percy. I wondered if he might be stefans son.

And then I got a bit silly and wondered if Percy had Cam aswell as the dog!

Im going to re watch both episodes today as I missed large bits in this noisy house!

I dont know why percy has the dog? To protect it?

I think the paranormal man is linked to the house in some way. And I think he has Cam.

Furball Mon 26-Nov-12 08:43:46

But how much of a coincidence would that be, they aren't local so lived far enough away to have to move there with Gabes work?

Furball Mon 26-Nov-12 08:46:55

I thought the paranormal man could be stefan, as the older boy said he was a a couple of years younger than Percy so couldn't join the army yet.

MorrisZapp Mon 26-Nov-12 08:50:52

To me, the good looking husband is the weak link in a high quality cast. He's eye candy, but totally wooden.

Furball Mon 26-Nov-12 08:51:15

and with names like Augustus and Magda - they sound Polish type names? so are they too refugees or similar like Stefan?

Furball Mon 26-Nov-12 08:51:48

meant the Cribbens

Yeah, thats the only flaw in my theory. He couldnt have known they would move there.

Clawdy Mon 26-Nov-12 09:08:15

I thought the paranormal guy was Maurice too. Have a horrid feeling little Stefan is in that well. I really want them all to still be alive,Stefan,Maurice and the girl!and Cam of course. Not very likely though!sad

shrimponastick Mon 26-Nov-12 09:08:21

I have missed something. Who has different length little fingers??

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 09:09:41

The mother and Cam, the missing boy.

Fiderer Mon 26-Nov-12 09:10:48

Just noticed there are two threads - glad I'm not seeing things that go bump in the night

Anyone else examining the length of their little fingers?

shrimponastick Mon 26-Nov-12 09:11:33

Oh okay. Thanks.

DS was talking over it last night, but I think it is the kind of show which requires full attention.

valiumredhead Mon 26-Nov-12 09:14:46

My mum and my sister have different length pinkie fingers!!

Fiderer Mon 26-Nov-12 09:29:04

valium Book them a weekend break in Devil's Cleave grin

The well thing - if the orphans drowned in the flood (because Cribben locked them in?) then the water must have come up from the well. So Stefan, whose body wasn't found, can't have been with the others. Hiding in that cupboard? Maurice must have legged it if he's now Paranormal Man.

Then again, if they were in their attic dorm, how could a flood so bad that it reached that level not have damaged the house more?

valiumredhead Mon 26-Nov-12 09:33:08

I can't believe anyone was really scared watching this!! Some bits are so corny it's laughable in places. I'm enjoying it but nothing is scaring me at all and I am a huge wuss!

fiderer grin

MrsMushroom Mon 26-Nov-12 09:34:01

I noticed the young teacher spoke German last night...we never heard her do that before did we?

valiumredhead Mon 26-Nov-12 09:35:31

We didn't - noted here too!

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 09:44:50

No we didn't. I'm glad we will get to find out everything next week! Did you all watch Marchlands last year? I think anyone who is enjoying Crickley would have enjoyed Marchlands as much. Apparently there is going to be a series called Lightfields which is in the same vein as Marchlands/Crickley.

It's not scary at all I agree. Some bits are slightly jumpy but its tame compared to the book.

Marchlands was better I think.

valiumredhead Mon 26-Nov-12 09:56:55

I liked Marchlands more tbh. I Don't think SJ was right for this part.

diddl Mon 26-Nov-12 10:02:29

I watched Marchlands only recently & can´t help thinking that the guy who was the Vicar in that is also the 2012 Vicar in this?

<off to google>

blisterpack Mon 26-Nov-12 10:04:30

The only link between Cam's family and Crickley Hall is the father. It was him who brought them there. Wonder if there's something in that?

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 10:05:59

I thought that blister.

Yeah blister, I thought that. The way hes so adament that ghosts arent real!

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 10:31:09

I thought the young teacher spoke german in the first episode.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 10:31:09

Maybe the dad is responsible for Cam going missing? Maybe he sold him or sacrified him for supernatural reasons?

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 10:32:27

Maybe Nancy's orphanage was in Germany.

watched part2 after cleb last night and was really really scared going upstairs ! I went in to turn dds nightlight off and heard a swish ... <over-imagination> but leapt into bed!

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 10:36:06

Any bodies dumped in the well may have been washed away by the river - was it a river/stream under the house?

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 10:36:55

I've thoroughly enjoyed it so far - not too scary but spooky enough.

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern Mon 26-Nov-12 11:20:38

Anyone willing to PM me the ending? Thanks.

I want to know if they ever find Cam. I also want to know how come the bodies can be washed out to sea given that the setting appears to have been changed to somewhere that looks like the Dales or somewhere similarly inland and high up.

diddl Mon 26-Nov-12 11:34:42

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

diddl Mon 26-Nov-12 11:36:54


OMG-I can´t believe I did that instead of PM.

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern Mon 26-Nov-12 11:41:56

Thanks Diddl.

Did you mean to PM that? I'll ask MN to delete it so we don't have spoilers on the thread.

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern Mon 26-Nov-12 11:42:17


blisterpack Mon 26-Nov-12 11:42:33

I reported it diddl so hopefully they'll delete it soon.

diddl Mon 26-Nov-12 11:47:11

I also reported straight away.

I had C&P from another pm that I´d sent-too much & not got rid of the stuff I didn´t need & just absent mindedly pressed "post message"

I feel awful-hope it´s deleted soon enough to not spoil it for anyoneblush

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern Mon 26-Nov-12 11:50:39

They've got to it pretty smartly - thank you MNHQ!

Don't worry Diddl, hardly anyone will have seen it.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 11:53:11

Phew I can come back now. I saw that you had written SPOILER ALERT when i looked at Threads I'm On, so didn't want to come back until it had gone.

diddl Mon 26-Nov-12 11:53:25

Oh that was quick-hopefully quick enough!

Thank you, MNHQ!

diddl Mon 26-Nov-12 11:54:22

Perhaps if anyone else wants to know, someone who I´ve already pm´d can forward it?blushgrin

blisterpack Mon 26-Nov-12 12:23:29

I just saw some names and certain words jumped out but I quickly looked away so didn't properly read anything. So no harm done smile.

Just watched this whilst DS2 asleep. The horrid sister seemed to be almost turned on by her brother and the abuse, hence the thing with Maurice. Is the paranormal guy Maurice? I noticed the welts on Cribbens' back, like he is self-flagellating.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 13:15:44

I thought it a bit unlikely that someone like him would wander around the orphanage at night in his underpants, so it was obviously done so we could see the welts.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 13:19:35

Horrible that the number of times the children get beaten is going up and up and is now up to 40. sad So glad corporal punishment is no longer legal in institutions. I remember a man in the Jersey abuse scandal saying he was beaten every day at the home and was beaten at school too. There was no escape from it. He was crying as he said it. It was pitiful. sad Sorry depressing subject.

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 13:23:59

Some people mentioned the vicar further down - the current vicar is related to the 1940s vicar isn't he? Didn't he say something in defence of the Old Vicar? I think he hates Percy because P blames Old Vicar for not helping the children.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 13:31:21

Yes the current vicar said the 1943 vicar was his grandfather.

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 26-Nov-12 16:50:42

watched last night alone in bed about midnight and the whack of the cane in the house was freaking me out and kept looking at my bedroom door expecting someone to come in

so Maurice is a murderer and also alive as psychic bloke

so sad nice teacher is dead and that stefan is now waiting for her sad but didnt percy say that only found clothes and not bones in the well, so maybe she is alive ..................

saw the marks on brothers back and wondered who had whipped him

why did percy take the dog?

is cam dead and why stay in that house, why doesnt the dad (ellis) beleive?

cant wait till next week but wont watch at midnight

'blondes dives under covers and NEVER watches scary/ghosty things alone' grin

harrietspy Mon 26-Nov-12 17:12:49

I never watch anything more scary than Miss Marple and I felt physically sick watching this programme last night! But enjoying it in a weird way, nonetheless.

I think old vicar has something to do with it, and young vicar has a vested interest in defending his grandfather. Was 1943 vicar beating Cribben? And wasn't it the 1943 vicar who found out about nice teacher going to doctor in London pretending to be Cribben's sister?

I reckon Percy took the dog to keep it quiet because he knows Cribben can't tolerate loud noises & P thinks the dog or the family will be punished.

I think the father doesn't want to believe in ghosts - but he was touched by the hand of a child, wasn't he? I can't believe he's involved in Cam's disappearance though (speculation upthread) - that would be too horrible!

Because of the Dr Who links (3 of the main characters have been in it) I'm imagining some timey wimey stuff and gravestones being different at the end and Percy having children with the nice lass from Blackout.

Either that or they all drown.

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 26-Nov-12 17:43:15

something/one grabbed his hand and showed him the journal

wondered if the vicar had anything to do with it

Furball Mon 26-Nov-12 17:58:43

Did anyone else think that the cribbens got abit close last night when she went into his room. and put their foreheads together. Not the usual sort of brother/sister stuff?

or is that just me and my brother that wouldn't do that?

Nope, you're not alone Furball, definitely not a normal brother/sister way to act. The sister is an evil bint and as I said on my last post, I think she was getting turned on when poor Stefan was being beaten and she lured Maurice into the basement.

FamiliesShareGerms Mon 26-Nov-12 18:06:16

I thought that too, Furball.

I reckon Cribbens is self-flagellating - perhaps for his sinful relationship with his sister? - and believes that whacking the boys with the cane will redeem them somehow.

If the teacher is really dead, why isn't she protecting the ghost children?

I don't know how, but surely Cam will be found down that well?

fancyanother Mon 26-Nov-12 18:08:36

Was anyone else really annoyed that they virtually told you the whole story in the trailer for the next episode? Why did it have to be so long?? I thought this weeks was much better than last week. Getting into its stride!

Blondeshavemorefun Mon 26-Nov-12 18:22:41

i turned off as soon as finished as read earlier that trailer shows/tells what happened next week, so avoided it

percy said two sets of clothing were found down well, so cant be cam, unless as well?

Furball Mon 26-Nov-12 18:23:58

Someone posted that they'd read in the radio times that the trailer gave away too much info, so we turned it off literally as soon as it finished.

SoupDragon Mon 26-Nov-12 18:41:24

I think Percy "rescued" the dog as aren't animals supposedly more sensitive to paranormal woo? Poor thing appears, to have been frantic in the kitchen and desperate to get out.

Moln Mon 26-Nov-12 18:42:43

The paranormal guy is definitely Maurice. I think that we were told that in last night's episode when paranormal guy came into the house there was a flash back of Maurice opening the door to the teacher (well i took it that this was to suggest Maurice/paranormal guy remembering

timeforacuppa Mon 26-Nov-12 20:34:45

Pllllease can someone PM me the ending. I am way too creeped out to watch it but I need to know!

oooggs Mon 26-Nov-12 21:00:35

Please can someone pm me too. It is keeping me awake at night

cazzer886 Mon 26-Nov-12 21:51:14

can some one send me the spoiler?

colleysmill Mon 26-Nov-12 21:51:21

I woke up in the night to our pipes tapping and had to wake dh up to investigate. He couldn't hear it and thinks I'm bonkers. It was way too early for the heating and hot water too.

Happily our house is not anything like Crickley hall or I might have to move out!

blisterpack Mon 26-Nov-12 22:30:46

If it's the book ending you all are asking for PMs about just Wikipedia it people smile.

Clawdy Mon 26-Nov-12 22:34:57

But didn't someone say the book is very different from the tv version? Is the end the same?

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 22:36:29

I have been v tired the last two Mondays due to bad night's sleep after watching CH! I think it is the abuse that is upsetting me a bit and keeping me awake more than anything.

wednesdaygirl Mon 26-Nov-12 22:51:01

Dh recons thats prefect boy gets sister pg

Marzipanface Mon 26-Nov-12 22:52:49

Just read book - a shocking read in all senses. I've never read any of James Herbert before and based on this novel I have no idea how he has managed to become 'Britain's best horror writer'.

It's just so cliched and badly written. I think I prefer the TV version although I have no idea how next week's episode will pan out!

ToffeeCaramel Mon 26-Nov-12 23:16:29

Yes, I really thought Augustus and Magda were going to start kissing yesterday. It definitely wasn't normal.

Viewofthehills Mon 26-Nov-12 23:25:05

Watched this last night, went to bed and straight to sleep after. Dreamed DS was screaming. Stumbled, sleep fogged into his room calling DS are you alright, why are you crying and woke him up. He was sleeping peacefully til I disturbed him.
This is after the cat removed a chunk of skin with its claws after I jumped about a metre high in the air yelling when 'the hand' grabbed the book.

Far too scary for me!

milewalker Mon 26-Nov-12 23:27:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Marzipanface Mon 26-Nov-12 23:32:41

Milewalker - you may have give a spoiler away there!

milewalker Mon 26-Nov-12 23:36:35

oooh sorry-didn't mean to, how do i remove my last post?

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 26-Nov-12 23:55:13

We have removed the spoiler (fortunately am not watching this, Tis a hazardous business for spoiler, this MNHQing y'know) grin
Happy Viewing

expatinscotland Mon 26-Nov-12 23:56:23

Someone please PM me and tell me how the book ends. Please. smile

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 27-Nov-12 00:02:22

That's twice I've luckily read thread later and missed the spoiler posts

Thank god grin

Don't get why so many of you want to know the ending sad

Spoils it

Only thing I want to know if the ending different from
Book to tv

Often are sad

colleysmill Tue 27-Nov-12 06:20:52

I tried Wikipedia yesterday and the page is under review and doesn't give away the ending.

diddl Tue 27-Nov-12 06:53:49

Book & tv ending are different-but not hugely so.

Moln Tue 27-Nov-12 08:16:36

How do you know? well i know how you might know the book! But how do you know the TV ending?

BTW do people recommend the book? Or another James Herbet?

diddl Tue 27-Nov-12 08:31:32

Because I´ve seen the condensed version on BBC America.

alexrider Tue 27-Nov-12 08:50:01

Does anyone think that Nancy and Stefan could be related somehow? I mean she spoke German fluently to him and I doubt there were many orphanage raised working class Northern girls who would learn a language so well in those days, and just that she called him "my beautiful boy" that's what I call my DS so I wondered if it inferred a closer relationship than teacher and student. Also, how the hell did she get a mahoosive bar of chocolate like that in the middle of the war, wasn't it one of those things that became incredibly scarce?

I haven't read the book and I'm loving the programme.

babesdontlie Tue 27-Nov-12 09:02:09

where did bully girl get a key from to let herself in with?

threesocksmorgan Tue 27-Nov-12 09:11:22

her nan is/was the cleaner there, so she must have "got" it from her

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 27-Nov-12 09:12:28

Key was hidden outside I think

And yes weird she knew German and for massive bar of chocolate

Tho did think Stefan was silly eating it while playing a very noisy top on the floor

Wouldn't that have woke up other kids and possibly brother/sister

Fiderer Tue 27-Nov-12 09:18:46

The German bit surprised me too. I wondered if Percy had picked up some as part of the army training or if they both deliberately learned some to be able to talk to Stefan. Percy was pretty faltering and didn't understand what Stefan said whereas Nancy seemed far better.
She was a teacher though, maybe that was one of her subjects? Didn't Evil Sister say something when she started at the orphanage about Stefan needing to speak English?

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 09:46:22

Good point about Stefan being one of their sons. Maybe he is Magda's son. Maybe either the son of Magda and Augustus or Magda and someone else, so Augustus is jealous and beats Stefan?

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 09:48:03

Or maybe Nancy and Augustus's son? He could have forced himself on her when she was in the orphanage or something?

SoupDragon Tue 27-Nov-12 10:09:29

Was Nancy's orphanage run by Augustus?

Fiderer Tue 27-Nov-12 10:15:41

Don't know about being someone's son. The nurse told Nancy that Cribben was out looking for Stefan when he got got in the bomb blast which left him with chronic tinnitus (?) Hence the hyper-sensitivity to noise - the removal of shoes etc. He blames Stefan for that, was always a vicious bully and added to that Stefan is a refugee, unwanted and Jewish.

We don't know anything about their background. I also thought there was an incestuous touch to that encounter when he was hiding from the party. Didn't notice the weals but wouldn't be surprised. The excessive religious fervour and emphasis on punishment must come from somewhere, don't think it was just exacerbated by the accident.

Someone mentioned that Magda is an unusual name in England. Perhaps the family were also refugees after WWI?

milewalker Tue 27-Nov-12 10:17:01

thank you for removing my spoiler post blush (though now i've gone and re-looked at the book it doesn't seem like a spoiler but either way its gone smile )

as for other james herbert books the magic cottage is great as is once and the ghosts of sleath. i'm not so keen on the rats trilogy though.

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 10:19:04

Was Nancy's orphanage run by Augustus? Not that we know of. We only know that she was in an orphanage.

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 10:22:21

Magdalene (derived from Hebrew 'of Magdala') or Magda is a female name used in many countries including Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Romania, Germany, Greece, Poland, Spain, Scandinavia, Slovakia and Slovenia

buttercrumble Tue 27-Nov-12 10:23:26

Why has Percy taken the dog...

Fiderer Tue 27-Nov-12 10:33:34

Anyone else think it pretty unlikely that caring Nancy would have badgered the doctor about Cribbens while wounded people (grim) were being rushed into hospital? She could have waited till he had a break, even if it meant waiting for hours.

timeforacuppa Tue 27-Nov-12 18:45:25

Pretty please can someone Pm me the ending?

I'm confused I though Stephan called the lady who spoke German mum?? (can't remember her name)

I have downloaded it to my kindle and am reading it now as well! So far, fairly similar...

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 19:42:23

Did she? If she was his mum then surely she would have taken him away from the abuse pronto. I guess we will find out on Sunday.

I shouldn't watch when I'm distracted. Tried to look on iBooks for the book and they only have it in Spanish, annoying.

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 20:12:56

No you might be right that she is the mum. I'm just wondering what the reason might be that she wouldn't have immediately taken him away.

Marzipanface Tue 27-Nov-12 20:56:23

It's on Amazon for Kindle for a few quid.

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Nov-12 21:43:13

Um - ok I came to this very late, watched number 1 last night and 2 tonight. Did anyone else hear when the teacher brought Stefan the chocolate - he ran to her and said 'mummy' before they hugged and spoke German? It broke my heart how happy he was upstairs knowing she was going to rescue him sad

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Nov-12 21:43:44

Oops I missed a page of the thread blush

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 21:45:56

I missed that he called her Mummy....she must have had him very young.

Could the bad teacher be the Dad of him??? Might he have taught in the girls childrens home that she used to live in...where her arm was damaged??

TunipTheVegedude Tue 27-Nov-12 21:53:33

At one point when they were speaking German he called her 'Mami', I wondered if she was just like his surrogate mum because his real one was dead.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 27-Nov-12 22:03:23

If nancy was stefans mum surely no mum would just allow / leave their child to be beaten?

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Nov-12 22:06:51

Well exactly! Also - are there no police she could have gone to about the abuse? or maybe she tried that and I missed it

ToffeeCaramel Tue 27-Nov-12 22:07:26

Will Nancy really not be in the last episode? I find it odd that she would just not be in it any more when she is such a central character.

Got it now, can't wait to read it now.

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 22:12:51

Blondes she might if she was also abused by the bad teacher....she was young and did her best to stand up to them but we saw the authorities not help her. She took the kids away and they were brought back by the police.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 27-Nov-12 22:14:59

I'm hoping nancy isn't dead as only found clothes no bones in well

'Hopeful emotion'

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 22:20:04

Ah! Well if that's the case then you can guarantee that she IS alive. Writers never put in details like that without bloody good cause to!

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 22:21:59

I reckon she's living down there...or hidden in the grounds...and that she has got Cameron...that her mind is unhinged and she thinks he's her lost little German boy.

I also think that Percy KNOWS she's there...and that is the reason he took the dog...because her arm is like that because she was bitten by a dog and is terrified of them!

He is protecting her.

What do you think??

PrincessSymbian Tue 27-Nov-12 22:28:19

It could be plausible, Mrs Mushroom. I have no idea what's going to happen next but will be watching it next week. I was watching a Spanish film on BBC iplayer, a couple of weeks ago, 'The Devils Backbone', very similar themes but much, much scarier!

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 22:35:58

Her arm DOES look bitten no? Kind of links to dog.

PrincessSymbian Tue 27-Nov-12 22:40:19

So the blow to the head/oxygen deprivation makes her go funny in the head?
Don't quite know how she would have got Cam though?

Weren't people saying Nancy was surprisingly upset when she saw Stefan had been caned? Perhaps she is his mother.

I wonder if one of Eve's parents was in the orphanage (Stefan?) and that's why she dreamed about it even before Cam went missing.

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 23:19:01

Princess I would have thought the trauma of her childhood and of her experiences in the school would be enough to make her lose her mind.

Cam and her...there are a lot of references to "We'll send those kids back to London if you don't keep your nose out...then they will all die in the bombings"

She could have gone to London to look for the little boy...something triggered her...and then she saw Cam on the swings and thought he was her little one.

colleysmill Tue 27-Nov-12 23:29:25

Oh that's interesting I had just assumed Nancy had an Erbs palsy or monoplegia not an acquired injury from abuse at her orphanage sad

I have say I am sincerely glad corporal punishment is no more - just the sound of that cane is terrifying (dh agrees although he only ever got it once at school)

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 23:38:05

It looked damaged to me...did you see it colley? It was very scarred.

colleysmill Tue 27-Nov-12 23:40:02

Only partially from behind the cushion I was hiding behind!

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 27-Nov-12 23:57:43

Oh mrs mushroom - I like your theory !!!

And yes arm could have been mauled by a dog .......

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 23:59:21

It does link in with the dog being taken by Percy doesn't it? And with the fact that her bones weren't she MUST be alive. And she's got Cam.

SoupDragon Wed 28-Nov-12 07:16:18

Didn't they say there was an underground river though and that's what the well connected to? Bones could have been washed away.

Furball Wed 28-Nov-12 07:19:06

I was speaking to my dad yesterday about it. He said that when he was at school (he's 80) the cane was a regular thing.

He said he got it once because he said 'pick me miss' when he put his hand up to answer a question as the teacher had said 5 mins before no speaking when you put your hand up - I didn't ask him how old he was at the time but I assume it was in junior school shock

He said thats just how it was in those days. sad

SoupDragon Wed 28-Nov-12 07:20:50

They still had the "slipper" when I was at primary school in the 70s. At least that's what the rumours were - I was a well behaved child so never experienced it first hand.

diddl Wed 28-Nov-12 07:53:38

Me too, Soup

I didn´t ever get it, but saw a boy getting it.

I have a feeling it was only "allowed" for boys.

SoupDragon Wed 28-Nov-12 08:03:18

No one seemed scared of it though - it was almost a badge of honour hmm

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 08:11:48

Soup they wouldn't bother mentioning that there were no bones found if it wasn't a key part of the story-line. It's one of the first rules of fiction and of exposing the story as you go.

They don't have a long time to tell a tale on every line matters and is there for a reason. When it's information like that, it's always relevant.

They had the cane at dh's school in the seventies.

They had the Slipper at my Primary school in 1978. The headmaster used to walk around school on one of his 'patrols' with it behind his back. I think he only ever used it about once. The psychological threat was enough.

DuchessofMalfi Wed 28-Nov-12 09:39:27

They had the slipper at my school in the seventies too - for boys and girls. My friend got the slipper for being cheeky in class and she came back in tears.

My mum told me she was sent to the headmaster at her school to be caned once (1940s), because she had been given three detentions in one week. The headmaster refused to cane her because she was a girl, but clearly her teacher didn't have a problem with that. She said punishment was rife in her school and they were all terrified of the teachers. Brutal.

SoupDragon Wed 28-Nov-12 09:48:37

I think my mother's school used a ruler

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 28-Nov-12 14:20:45

a boy at my primary school got the ruler - must have been 8/9 so 1980/81

sure they def said only clothes were found, as think 13 names but only 11 graves and either vicar or percy -think vicar said that 2 bodies werent found

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 14:42:48

Yes there was the slipper at my Junior school in the 70s and the headmistress in the Infants used to give people a hiding across her knee in assembly. Can't imagine that now.
MrsMushroom Your theory sounds very plausible. You might have got it! Only thing is how would the dad in the story have decided independently to go and stay at Crickley Hall?

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 14:43:57

Ooh maybe Percy or someone knew that Nancy had Cam so he somehow enticed the family to stay there so they could be reunited with their son?

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 28-Nov-12 14:50:58

if mrs mushrooms theory is correct then maybe percy got the dad the work and secretly advised renting the hall

i did say it seems a massive house to have for a family with 2 adults and 2 children plus woofa smile

TunipTheVegedude Wed 28-Nov-12 14:55:46

A friend of mine, now in her mid 40s, went to a primary school in Scotland where the cane was so prevalent that if you did 10 sums and got 3 wrong you would get 3 strokes of the cane.
She said it utterly changed her personality and destroyed her confidence sad

At my school there was the slipper and my brothers' school had the cane and the ruler but they were hardly ever used.

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 15:23:59

Oh my God Tunip, how awful. So glad it is illegal now. Imagine having to send your kids to school knowing that could happen. What an appalling way to teach maths!! I wonder how the parents felt about it? Did they accept it or were they upset about it?

I will never ever forget being slapped and slapped by a teacher when I was about 7. I had drawn a picture of her and took it up to show her. She screwed it up, threw it in the bin, and literally attacked me., slapping my legs so hard she left marks. It was horrific and in front of the classs too I have no idea what I did wrong, but it has never left me sad

I would love to find her now..

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 15:28:13


alexrider Wed 28-Nov-12 15:28:46

I remember people being sent to the headmaster or deputy for the cane in secondary school so between 82 and 85. They also had a female teacher who would cane the girls. I also remember in primary school the headmaster grabbing a boy by his arm and doing that thing of swinging him around with a hand following hitting him on the bum. It was just part of school (and home because we got smacked like that at home too).

It was a badge of honour among the boys in our school to be caned too.

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 16:59:19

Hmm yes. How would the Dad have just coincidentally had a job offer there? [rethink]

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 28-Nov-12 17:13:35

Maybe nancy is related to the mum (Suzanne) and she once lived in the hall?? Seems weird she dreamt of it the day before they moved - maybe she has been there before years ago

Or am I really clutching at straws???

But yes the dad suddenly had an offer of temp work there for a few month - planned????

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 18:08:28

There was possibly some glaring clue given in the first're not clutching at straws....I'm going to watch the first part again to try and glean something from the section where they're at home in the beginning!

Clawdy Wed 28-Nov-12 18:26:32

The talk of canings right up to the 1970s makes me think even if Nancy had shown people the punishment book,in the 40s,it would not have shocked people. They would possibly have agreed with the headteacher. Many people did not question harsh discipline in those days.

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 18:28:07

Let us know your findings Mrs M!

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 18:30:32

Will do!

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 18:30:58

Will do!

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 28-Nov-12 18:44:33

I still have both on planner - will rewatched as well as if you find anything mrs m let me know how many mins in

Gawd listen to us / all over a tv programme grin

TunipTheVegedude Wed 28-Nov-12 18:49:21

I think the punishment book was pretty extreme though - the same child being punished over and over again for crying, etc. Even in that context I don't think it would have looked normal.

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 19:18:57

Just watched the 1st ten minutes and the only thing that stood out was when Cam said he'd been "playing bombs" and dropped a ball onto a lego house from above...just like a bomb dropping.

So obviously relevant somehow.....

Moln Wed 28-Nov-12 19:28:42

I thought corporal punishment was made illeagle around 1979?

Liking your theory mushroom

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 19:31:47

Oh yes. So maybe Cam was Stefan in a previous life and he remembers the bombs dropping.

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 19:32:14

I thought it was about 87?

ToffeeCaramel Wed 28-Nov-12 19:35:06

This suggests it was not illegal in private schools until about 98.

Moln Wed 28-Nov-12 19:36:26

could be, I've no idea why 79 is in my head. For some reason I have the idea it was just before i went to school (1980) as I remember talk of the headmaster 'no longer using the slipper'

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 19:58:11

I wondered if he was Stefan too but it's a bit off as a theory somehow. Maybe the house they live in, in London is related somehow to Stefan or Nancy? Was it bombed in the war maybe?

Moln Wed 28-Nov-12 21:40:11

Flipping heck it was 1987!!!

Not only that but it wasn't made a criminal offence until 1996 here in Ireland where I am now. Crazy.

I recall my granddad telling me that they were made to go out and choose, and cut off the switch they would be beaten with, from a tree in his school

blisterpack Wed 28-Nov-12 22:26:51

butisthismyname What a cruel thing to do to a child sad.

What does "the slipper" mean anyway? I'm guessing it's not the softish indoor shoes you wear at home as that's not going to hurt?

And OT, but do people really go and enrol in a school when they go away somewhere for two months? Seems like a lot of faff - buying new uniforms, settling into the routine of a new school, getting used to different style of teaching etc. and then it's time to go back to your old school. We did trips like that at school age because of DF's job and just had a break from school when younger and self-study when older.

hellymelly Wed 28-Nov-12 22:29:15

Old slippers had leather soles and were sturdier but flexible so could give quite a whack. (I've not experienced this personally!).

confuddledDOTcom Thu 29-Nov-12 00:09:32

I started Bottom Infants (grin) in 1985 and was hit once! I was bit of a whyer and not in the usual sense of children! I still am and have one myself so I can understand how I drove my teacher mad! My teacher came out of school looking for Mum crying, a mix of having to answer my questions all day bringing her to the end of her tether and guilt at having hit me. Mum said that it had only just gone out which is why it had still been her instinct.

PurpleTinsel Thu 29-Nov-12 00:50:21

Corporal punishment may have been normal practice in schools in the 1940's - but would it really have been normal practice for a teacher to keep a punishment book detailing every caning? Writing it all down seems a bit bizarre, to say the least.

Don't see how Nancy can be alive if she got dropped down a well while unconscious.

And all this about the fingers - I can't work it out. I've paused on shots where the mum is going on about having special fingers, and they look perfectly ordinary to me. Can anyone explain this?

Furball Thu 29-Nov-12 05:33:35

purpletinsel - I've sinced paused it on the fingers bit as I too couldn't see what was what. and to be fair I couldn't tell even when paused!

But the mum and cam are both supposed to have a shorter little finger on one hand, which is why she claims they are linked and she could hear his voice in her head etc before he went missing.

quirkychick Thu 29-Nov-12 06:09:25

Punishment books were definitely part of corporal punishment and schools often have copies of old ones if they are old buildings etc. I worked in a 100+ yr old school and we used to study the history of the school and had the old log book and punishment book. Part of the punishment presumably would be that it was written down and you knew what you would be getting

quirkychick Thu 29-Nov-12 06:26:08

Aagh phone playing up and posted too soon!

We had corporal punishment when I was at school. Secondary school in the 80s; the head was quite free with it, although I was a good girl and didn't get any myself polite children thought good. Girls got the ruler (several strapped together) or if really bad the slipper (football boot) and boys got the slipper (football boot) or if really bad the cane. After I left there was an outcry from some girls who had been hit with several rulers strapped together, I think after 1986 too.

This was a highly desirable state school too. If you weren't lippy you could get away with most things, though.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 29-Nov-12 07:53:45

I said the same about the fingers. Look normal to me hmm

FamiliesShareGerms Thu 29-Nov-12 07:56:29

Ooh, just had a thought!

We haven't really been told anything about Nancy's hand, except it doesn't work well and Magda commented it would help her understand Cribben (or something). There's got to be some significance / point to it beyond that, though? Maybe one of her fingers is shorter too, and she's somehow connected to Eve (reincarnation?) who has been brought back to Crickley Hall to help the orphans find peace?

OxandAssinine Thu 29-Nov-12 08:00:51


That gave me goosebumps...

I was hit with a ruler in 1983 for crying when another child bit me. I was four years old and it marked my hand. I was so convinced that I must have done something wicked to deserve it that I didn't tell my mother for years. sad

Happily, the vicious bitch teacher is still alive so no need to worry when my pipes clatter in the middle of the night.

MrsMushroom Thu 29-Nov-12 08:39:23

I looked at the fingers again and one was definitely a bit's almost imperceptible though. Families you're right! Arm...hand....there must be a link! Maybe the house that the family have in London was connected to Nancy somehow....bombs and all that.

ToffeeCaramel Thu 29-Nov-12 10:39:31

They are supposed to have shorter fingers as that is probably in the story, but i suppose they couldn't really make the actors' fingers shorter for the series?

I remember the head of our Infants in the 70s having a plimsoll on her piano, saying she was going to use it like the head of the juniors did so she didn't hurt her hand. (She gave hidings with her hand in assembly.) I know if i'd gone on to the secondary school next door they still had the cane there. Happily for me i went to a different girls' school where they didn't have it. I avoided it in primary school by being good and in secondary by not being so good, but going to a school that didn't have it. Was smacked/hit plenty at home though, so didnt totally get away with it!

MrsMushroom Thu 29-Nov-12 14:54:41

Yes Toffee but people are saying the fingers look the same length....they don't if you look carefully...they've used another persons fingers for those shots.

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 29-Nov-12 18:15:53

little fingers are always smaller anyway - thats why they are called little fingers pmsl grin

MrsMushroom Thu 29-Nov-12 18:18:31

No! grin ONE of her little fingers is shorter than the OTHER! grin

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 29-Nov-12 18:27:10

hmmmmmmm, will study grin

ToffeeCaramel Thu 29-Nov-12 18:32:49


Blondeshavemorefun Thu 29-Nov-12 19:02:58

ok, cams little left finger is a tad smaller then his right

'blondes peers at screen'

tbh why have parents made such a big deal about it, enough to give the kid a complex about it grin

most people wouldnt say anything

Fiderer Thu 29-Nov-12 19:12:25

I didn't get the whole fingers thing but thought the whole "We can hear each other" was weird. Didn't Cam say "Goodbye Mummy" very obviously in an "I'm off now" sort of way?

There must be some connection between the family and the people in/around Crickley Hall. Surely Cam can't be the only psychic 6 yo in the country? grin

MrsMushroom Thu 29-Nov-12 19:40:19

yes he did Fiderer....I thought that....all sad and knowing he was.

Oh my gosh, I am three quarters of the way through the book and it is so wierd. It's different, but similar (!) to the series but also flipping well unputdownable - where are my children again grin I don't know whether to finish it before Sunday or not!

PurpleTinsel Thu 29-Nov-12 21:58:35

I'm resisting the temptation to buy the book (walked past it in the shop today), as I don't think I'd be able to stop myself from reading the ending before Sunday night. And I think that might spoil Sunday's episode for me.

confuddledDOTcom Fri 30-Nov-12 00:16:31

Just been watching the first episode because I keep missing the fingers bit. The little finger on one hand is dumpy, the other side is normal.

Also, I thought it was interesting that Cam says "Let's play bombs!" and then drops a ball onto a lego house.

Moln Fri 30-Nov-12 03:45:01

My right little finger is smaller than my left one by about a cm.


Fiderer Fri 30-Nov-12 07:00:07

Moln don't be scared. Do you play the lottery wink ?

I got a sample of the book on my Kindle but was really put off by the writing. Shame, I thought a bit of spooky terror would be the perfect thing for wiling away a long wait at the doctor's grin

diddl Fri 30-Nov-12 07:47:25

I´m reading it online atm Fiderer

Think it might be a condensed version-but it seems badly written to be as well.

ToffeeCaramel Fri 30-Nov-12 09:37:01

Fiderer, I'm imagining you reading the spooky terror in the waiting room and then walking in to the see the GP white as a sheet and shaking and him saying "Whatever's the matter?" grin

Fiderer Fri 30-Nov-12 10:41:05

Toffee exactly grin I was all keyed up and then deflated. May as well have read one of the 74 magazines advising me on Christmas Decorations You Make Yourself or avoiding piles (also home-made grin )

Although I was only waiting for FidBoy2 to have his thumb x-rayed (hurt playing Zombie Ball in sport at school) so the white and shaking may have made me look like a loon.

He still can't explain what Zombie Ball is, mind. I think it sounds quite MN-like.

Finished it. Damn. Was determined to read it slowly grin

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 30-Nov-12 18:30:30

zombie ball would be best played in 'the walking dead' and using zomblies heads grin

Fiderer Sat 01-Dec-12 06:14:36

Imagine if I had read more of the book and when we were called in to see the doctor who asked "What's the matter?" ...

Me: "Zombie Ball, cane, drowned, she's dead, ghosts, his thumb hurts" grin

My idea that Cam was somehow called by the children/Stefan doesn't stand up though. The dad got a job in the area, the dead couldn't have arranged that, surely.

MrsMushroom Sat 01-Dec-12 08:52:27

Oh my goodness we've only got ONE day to wait till' it's on again! grin

ToffeeCaramel Sat 01-Dec-12 19:53:30

Ooh. In the Radio Times it lists the name of the actors who appear in it tomorrow. There is the name of an actor/ress who plays one of the characters when he/she is elderly, so I now know that they will be in it tomorrow and who else will be. I thought Mrs Mushroom had worked it out, but now I've seen which elderly character will be in it tomorrow I have changed my mind. I won't say who it is thought!

MrsMushroom Sat 01-Dec-12 20:24:55


No! I am right!! Or may be sort of half right! Either way....I hope DH buggers off out tomorrow as last week I kept having to explain things to him because he missed the first one!

See that girl? Well she's got a withered arm right? And she's....erm..a goody...she tried to save the kids....and that old man....yes he's nicked their dog but we don't THINK he's a baddy.



ToffeeCaramel Sat 01-Dec-12 21:13:56

But if your dh buggers off out you will be all on your own.... to deal with the creaky floor boards and swishing cane noises and grabbing hands when you go to get biccies out of the cupboard!! shock shock

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 01-Dec-12 21:18:56

24hrs to go smile

MrsMushroom Sat 01-Dec-12 21:40:19

Toffee if that physcho ghost came anywhere NEAR me I'd have his braces round his ankles and his cane you know where before he could swish it anywhere near me!

ToffeeCaramel Sat 01-Dec-12 23:26:34


Fiderer Sun 02-Dec-12 08:30:52

grin We're all brave now, it's daylight. Wait till later.

Dark. Quiet. What's that noise hmm shock


rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:03:19

Is anyone there?

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 21:04:45

shock shock [terrified]

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 02-Dec-12 21:07:33

watching and will now get off iphone so dont miss anything

will report after 10pm smile

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Dec-12 21:08:13

Omg it is Maurice...

NigellaEllaElla Sun 02-Dec-12 21:09:03

Remind me who Maurice is please?

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 21:11:20

Maurice was the older boy at the Cribben´s house who would "tell on" the others.

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 21:12:52
rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:12:53

I can't see where this is going.

NigellaEllaElla Sun 02-Dec-12 21:13:23

Thanks Diddl. So he's the one now masquerading as the psychic?

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Dec-12 21:16:04

Think so!!
Trust Magda not to of spoken up...lost her mind, my arse

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:17:55

So nancy is dead then? Was hoping beyond hope...

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Dec-12 21:27:29

That whipping sound is freaking me out

NigellaEllaElla Sun 02-Dec-12 21:34:42

Oh god this is truly awful.

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:36:37

I'm now about ten minutes behind the rest of you.

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Dec-12 21:37:39

I'm gripped but scared grin

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:39:49

I want to get my kids out of bed and hug them.

I'm at the bit he's jsut told suranne that cam is dead.

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Dec-12 21:45:11

Where is Stefan????

Abra1d Sun 02-Dec-12 21:45:48

The book has a paedophile element in it I found repulsive. I hope we do not have to watch it on the BBC version. I get really fed up with child abuse being used to entertain adults. I almost wanted to wash my iPad.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 02-Dec-12 21:46:41

wondering if in this adaptation,so different from book,Stefan will turn out to be the Caleigh's grandfather or something....

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:54:15

I can't help feel sorry for Maurice now, he's never had. Chance has he.

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 21:56:31

So where is stefan??

I'm relieved he didn;t kill them the same as in the book - and that Stefan got away

MeeWhoo Sun 02-Dec-12 22:03:19

Ok, just missed the last 10 minutes.... Do I have to wait until tomorrow for it to be on iplayer?

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Dec-12 22:03:44

Can't wait to read the book now

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 22:03:53

It was quite different, wasn´t it?

I think maybe the book made more sense?

Or the BBC version makes less sense if you´ve read the book?

SoupDragon Sun 02-Dec-12 22:04:20


MeeWhoo Sun 02-Dec-12 22:04:29

Yipee! It's there already, off to watch the ending now!

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 22:05:38

I was sure they were going to find Cam alive. I thought when ghostly Nancy turned and smiled at Percy that he was going to die and go with her, so they could smother the orphan children with love together and Percy would be a wonderful dad like in her letter, although I suppose he did that with Stefan, but without Nancy.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 22:06:36

I feel really sad now. I wanted it to all be tied up with a happy ending.

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 22:06:50

Is anyone else a big blubbering wreck or is it just me?

I may need to go buy the book, unless someone would be kind enough to pm me the differences?

The only thing real about this weeks episode was the storm.

What a crock of shite, book was so much better.

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:12:32

can someone summarise the difference between the book and the adaptation please?

paddingtonbear1 Sun 02-Dec-12 22:13:39

I prefer the BBC's ending to the book's. The ending wasn't changed completely but there were a couple of fundamental differences.

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:15:38

what is this referring to:"I'm relieved he didn;t kill them the same as in the book - and that Stefan got away".

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 22:19:31

Have pm´d you, ncc

GeorginaWorsley Sun 02-Dec-12 22:21:41

In book Stefan first to die I think.
All children die.
Nancy and Stefan's bodies in well.
It is Maurice who is adopted by London couple.
Magda doesn't attack Lily in book either,but she is in nursing home supposedly mute..
Lily hasn't lost a baby in the book I don't think

rhondajean Sun 02-Dec-12 22:22:08

Could someone pm me please.

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:24:10

so in fact this adaptation not at all like the book. The book sounds amazingly sad and rather unsatisfying.

M1SSUNDERSTOOD Sun 02-Dec-12 22:24:39

Yes the book culminates in a horrible act which is the catalyst for Augustus killing all the children one by one. The central character is Stefan who is still missing presumed long dead. All the victims are eventually found including Stefan who has supposedly drowned and laid to rest so crickley hall can be at peace. No one is sacrificed either from the Caleigh family as the well a scene is depicted in the book but it is a bit far fetched that Gordon/Maurice tumbled down the well without dislodging Lauren.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 02-Dec-12 22:27:29

Sorry for spoiler.blush
Actually tv ending happier,if that right word.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 22:36:40

What about the spooky dead face and hand of Nancy down the well! I said "Oh FFS!" when I saw that.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 22:37:50

Hmm. I'm sure between us we could write a happier, more satisfying ending.

Ok I must admit that I was secretly relieved that the children were not killed the way in the book as I don't think I could have sat through that and I can understand why they didn't want to show much emphasis on the paedophile element to the book which although was quite well written was extremely disturbing.

However to change fundamental aspects of the ending was not on. Stefan death plays a part in what happens at the end.Its stefan eve hears and not cam.

I'm quite cross with it really.

Hobbitation Sun 02-Dec-12 22:41:34

How did Cam end up in the canal though?

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 22:44:58

Wasn´t it an accident with Cam?

That he wandered off?

RiaUnderTheMistletoe Sun 02-Dec-12 22:45:04

I guess he wandered off and fell in Hobbitation chasing a bird or something sad

The canal was next to the playground or closeby, he wandered off and fell in, that's what happened in the book

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:48:11

how did kids die in book?

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 22:48:30

It was SO disappointing. NO explanation of why Cam and his Mum had visions of Cribben and the kids before they'd even heard of the house!

Stupid gory bit with dead face looming.....very sad it was so bad.

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 22:48:57

Some awful way nobody wants to say namechange

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:49:18

Also at end Cam got buried next to Stefan who was already buried there as an old man who we are told had kids etc and yet nothing on the stone - is that right?

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:50:13

bad it may be but I wont sleep for a month! Why did I watch it!

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 22:52:41

OK-how the kids died.

Augustus tried to circumcise Stefan-who bled to death & body thrown in well.

It was him who Eve could hear.

Body not found in flood as it was caught on a ledge.

I think he strangled the others?

Moln Sun 02-Dec-12 22:54:23

Hang on, so the voice Eve heard with the spinning top, 'I'm not dead mummy", wasn't Cam, but Stephan (i think that's what we were supposd to think?)

but if he wasn't dead (and still in the house) how or why did she hear him (also the bit with all the orphans looking at him on the floor of the cellar, whiile the (irish actress) lady spoke the words outlound as the spinning top went. What was that about?

paddingtonbear1 Sun 02-Dec-12 22:55:52

yes - the other kids were strangled in the book.

Hobbitation Sun 02-Dec-12 22:56:39

I didn't find it that scary, more just tense, and sad. I found it very well cast and acted, enjoyed the performances, but too many loose ends.

RiaUnderTheMistletoe Sun 02-Dec-12 22:57:39

It wasn't Stephan, it was one of the other orphans.

It's really annoying when they change stuff. If you are going to do an adaptation then you should make it as faithful to the original as possible!!
I didn't read this book but i remember the ending being slightly different in the Susan Hill book (and better imo) then the film and when they did the new version of that MR James story a couple of Christmas's ago they introduced a wife in a care home and made it ridiculous!

I enjoyed this though, thought it was gripping.

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 22:59:28

what susan hill book?

Susan Hill film : The woman in Black.

diddl Sun 02-Dec-12 23:01:38

Stefan was dead.

His body was in the well with Nancy´s.

I guess the point of it(?) was for them all to move on together & for the bodies of Nancy & Stefan to be found?

And it be acknowledged that they hadn´t died in the flood?

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 23:02:43

I am so scared. I am trying to go to sleep now. I should not watch this kind of thong however good it is.

namechangecity Sun 02-Dec-12 23:03:01

thing even.

Hobbitation Sun 02-Dec-12 23:03:45

The voice wasn't Stefan, but one of the other orphans, a blonde lad in the TV version. How did Cribben get all the kids down to the cellar to gas them though? Was the food drugged? Even so, surely Maurice/Magda would have interrupted him, to get all those kids down there would take ages. And why kill them at all? Did he mean to kill himself afterwards?

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:04:04

Sideburns God yes what a farce that MR James adaptation was! The original was HORRIFIC it was so terrifying. They had NONE of that. Oh Whistle and I'll come to you my Lad wasn't it.

Moln Sun 02-Dec-12 23:04:44

Stephan wasn't dead (in the well) in the series though.

Bit wierd if it was on of the orphans voices then why were they'll saying they weren't dead.

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:05:01

Hobbit that's right....they had a feast and then leaped about in their explanation at all!

Hobbitation Sun 02-Dec-12 23:05:29

Also where did Cribben go at the end when the orphans & Nancy left? Back to the cellar? Hell? He didn't really seem to get his comeuppance!

Terrifying Mrs Mushroom! The original was so creepy. I was hoping for great things with John Hurt but it was crap.

Hobbitation Sun 02-Dec-12 23:08:19

I think the scariest bit for me was when Cribben attacked the Cayleigh girls. Brilliant actresses, both of them.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 23:11:50

Christ that's horrible about Stefan being circumcised in the book. Not going to read it.

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:13:57

I thought it was crap the way they were so blase about the little one! The dad saying STAY THERE and trying to leave her in the film....the Mum looked so relived to see the older girl in her dads arms but no sign of her wondering about the little one...then she popped up! From nowhere...the last we'd seen of her was in the middle of the field!

Actually technically stefan wasn't dead when he was thrown down the well. The theory was he was just alive enough to crawl to a ledge where he then died and was perfectly preserved in basically a freezer which turned his hair pale. This is why eve thought it was cam talking to her but it was stefan

It made very uncomfortable reading toffee.

Hobbitation Sun 02-Dec-12 23:18:23

Though more horrible, it does sound like the plot of the book hangs together better.

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:18:55

It felt cheap...the way they explained Cam's voice away. I know it was in the book but I was disappointed. One should never feel disappointed at the end of a story like that.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 02-Dec-12 23:20:00


Deeply disappointed in the ending tbh sad

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:21:03

Yes...all a bit convenient.

ToffeeCaramel Sun 02-Dec-12 23:22:21

Much preferred the ending of Marchlands. I don't remember that having an unsatisfying ending. Looking forward to Lightfields.

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 02-Dec-12 23:24:04

Our endings were much better mrs m !!!

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:24:33

I KNOW Blondes They SO were. angry

MrsMushroom Sun 02-Dec-12 23:25:00

What is Lightfields Toffee??