Hej og hilser velkommen.

(536 Posts)
ImperialBlether Sat 17-Nov-12 14:57:30

It's on tonight! Get your herrings and your jumpers and your tattoo of Troels on show and join me on the sofa for series 3 of The Killing.

TheFarSide Sat 17-Nov-12 15:03:36

Tak

Tak from me too. Can't wait.

ImperialBlether Sat 17-Nov-12 15:54:33

Television really is educational, isn't it? I can't believe how many of us are fluent in Danish now!

UdderlyBanal Sat 17-Nov-12 16:00:07

Tak indeed ;)

LaVolcan Sat 17-Nov-12 16:51:39

As a result of these and The Bridge, my husband has started to learn Danish properly!

choceyes Sat 17-Nov-12 16:54:41

Do you need to watch the first two series to watch this one or is it a completely different series?

choceyes Sat 17-Nov-12 16:55:22

Different story I mean?

redlac Sat 17-Nov-12 16:56:28

Sky plus set for the double episode smile

Tak

crunchbag Sat 17-Nov-12 17:00:40

Tak grin

You don't need to watch the previous series, they are stand alone series with not too many cross series references.

MousyMouse Sat 17-Nov-12 17:08:48

tak
I only have a norwegian jumper, will that do?

NevermarriedDuranduran Sat 17-Nov-12 18:41:23

Swedish jumper on, tack så mycket!smile ( distributes virtual danish hotdogs and sweets and wine

redroof Sat 17-Nov-12 18:47:48

Hej everyone! It's been too long a wait, hasn't it? Smörgåsbord and vin ready here..

ImperialBlether Sat 17-Nov-12 19:57:59

Have to say I loved talking about it on here as much as I enjoyed the programme. Especially series 1 - I can cheer myself up on a bad day just by thinking of the way our minds were tortured by that series. I was atswimtwolengths there - waves to everyone.

On countdown!

Checking in. My incident board is erected and my jumper is on.

crunchbag Sat 17-Nov-12 20:47:57

Agree Imperial, the mind torturing was compelling and addictive grin

15 minutes to go!

The finale of S1 was tainted because it could never live up to our crazy theories. They should have got us on board to write S2&3

ImperialBlether Sat 17-Nov-12 20:53:45

Just taken the lid off my marker pen and straightened my jumper.

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:11:29

Tak. Am missing the subtitles to say - I still love Lund <girlcrush>

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:17:12

The shipping company's daughter is in trouble <marks incident board>

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:18:00

no troels <weeps>

FayKnights Sat 17-Nov-12 21:19:10

Thank you or should i say Tak Imperial, I completely forgot!
We're watching Jingle All The Way here but I will be catching up on Iplayer later. I'll be back later for a full debrief!

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:32:09

Ohhh Chief Inspector <impressed>

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:43:43

Ha! 3/4 way in and we have our Lund back!

redroof Sat 17-Nov-12 21:46:48

Oh yes we do! Hej Teej.

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:52:52

Hej Red, Hej Imp smile
<feels all warm and cosy in the company of The Killing addicts in spite of the fact Lund has gone onto scary ship with only a torch...>

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:56:09

Uh-oh.

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:57:06

Bet he'll be interested in the security system now.

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 21:58:54

OK so the PM has an alibi at least.
<crosses off suspect list>

MousyMouse Sat 17-Nov-12 22:01:00

what a ride!

this zeuthen (sp) character is mighty creepy controlling freak am intruigued about the relationship between mother and father.

NevermarriedDuranduran Sat 17-Nov-12 22:02:22

Nailbiting already

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 22:04:31

Zeuthen is a good guy imho - but i wouldn't trust either his board, ex-ceo, ussing or his ex's bf as far as i could throw them at this stage.

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 22:05:45

good guy in spite of his position and wanting to get back at his ex, keep control of the kids etc..

NomDePrune Sat 17-Nov-12 22:48:00

Boch = Michael Hutchence
Asbjorn = Tintin. Or one of Aha
Emilie's father - Cameron lite

Anyone else?

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 22:55:14

oh ffs - Lund where are you GOING?!???

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 22:58:44

Right - she really should have got the info on that other case earlier...

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 23:02:34

Nom earlier, I was going to type earlier that Lund should get together with Boch - then he answered the phone "Hi Darling" grrrrr.
Re Asbjorn - he really reminded me of Jan Meyer actually, something about his look.
Love the way there are so many echos of the two other series. Where the victim could be, handprints, political intrigue.... very satisfying (in a not very satisfying way, given that we still need to solve the case, obviously...)

NomDePrune Sat 17-Nov-12 23:07:30

So is the boyfriend from series 1 completely out of her life? And if you live on your own don't you put the lights on when you get home?

teejwood Sat 17-Nov-12 23:09:42

Nom he dumped her big time as he realised he would always lose out to the job.
And as we all know, Lund prefers dark scary places with barely a torch never mind some protective firepower grin

SminkoPinko Sat 17-Nov-12 23:10:22

I think Lund and Boch will get it on. After all, her mum thought he was the one!

Poor lawyer.

peggyblackett Sat 17-Nov-12 23:14:29

Just checking in for the next few weeks grin
Tak.

NevermarriedDuranduran Sat 17-Nov-12 23:18:29

I love the endings in each episode, beautifully filmed and tells stories on so many levels. ( loved the whole Pernille and Thais saga, cant beat season 1) now my week will be ruined having to wait to see what happends next....

NomDePrune Sat 17-Nov-12 23:35:34

And what do we think of the jumper?
Wrong!

smugmumofboys Sat 17-Nov-12 23:36:05

Am just in from colleague's 40th (though was sorely tempted to cry off when I realised what date it was). Am off to catch up on iplayer. Will be back to add comments and perceptive insights later. grin

ScrambledSmegs Sat 17-Nov-12 23:41:16

How on earth do some of you manage to post while it's on? I'm glued to the subtitles screen!

Who was the person that was pushed off the building btw? Was it some random, or should I have recognised him? Bit tired, bleary eyed etc.

Anyone else looking with suspicion at Zeuthen's assistant dude? He mentioned the nanny thing just that leetle bit too late hmm

LaVolcan Sun 18-Nov-12 00:05:54

He was the Deputy Public Prosecutor. The murdered seaman had been to talk to him;we didn't find out what was, but the DPP seemed to be hiding something, and now we will never know.

I wasn't surprised about Mark and his girlfriend; I hope we see more of them and the grandma.

Zeuthen's assistant - yes, definitely dodgy.

SminkoPinko Sun 18-Nov-12 00:16:50

I love Lund's mum. Hope she is prominent in this series.

ImperialBlether Sun 18-Nov-12 10:40:43

Her mum has the same focus that Lund has, hasn't she? Imagine coming into your daughter's workplace to talk to her like that when everyone's in the middle of a big case?

It was funny/sad when her son phoned to say he wasn't coming; I felt so sorry for her and she was obviously reaping what she'd sown, but then she started to look at the photos and her attention just went from him. You could tell then that if he'd been there telling her they were having a baby and the photo caught her eye, she would have just ignored what he was saying.

I think Zeuthen is a good guy. His daughter wanted to live with him. I got the feeling his ex-wife's life was more chaotic but I can't remember now what made me think that. Was she seeing the doctor who was talking to them about the daughter's allergy? I got the impression that was her boyfriend.

I was surprised nobody thought to ask the little boy anything about where the daughter was when she was playing with the cat; it's likely he would have known or been with her.

I think we were really spoiled with series 1. I don't think it's JUST because we fancied Troels that we enjoyed it so much! The scenes in the government buildings were very atmospheric then. Remember Morten and Bree and how the rooms were always dimly lit and they all seemed to be simultaneously either co-conspiritors or involved in private dramas? And Theis (sp?) looking so Nordic. And Pernille and her family were so amazing and the house, too. <Goes off into a reverie thinking about Pernille's house.>

smugmumofboys Sun 18-Nov-12 15:39:01

Caught up now. I agree that we were spoilt with Series 1 but it's still got me hooked.

And is it bad that all I could think of in the Zeuthen house, amidst the kidnapping angst, was 'mmm, nice light fittings'.

LaVolcan Sun 18-Nov-12 17:00:17

I found that I was dreaming of the staircase in the Zeuthen household. Sad, or what?

Things I don't get:
If the perp stole the van and used the list and keys to find a location to keep Emelie overnight, how did he happen to come across the place with a hidden room behind a set of lockers?
Why the hell was Boch so obvious when Lund was dropping the money?
Why was it so bad that the PM was visiting the homeless when she disappeared?

LaVolcan Mon 19-Nov-12 12:54:19

I don't quite get how Emilie was abducted so rapidly. One moment she was on the stairs at her father's house - next thing she was gone. Did she wander out and they were waiting to abduct her? If so, how did the van get past the security fences which they made so much about.

wiganwagonwheelworks Mon 19-Nov-12 14:42:04

been looking for this thread for ages...y'all fooled me by having a danish title. Clever. My Mum thought it was the PM's brother who got pushed. I did not realise it was the deputy public prosecutor. So is it Lund who has it right again and the three sailors on the freight ship are the key to the whole business?

Anyone care to make an early prediction we can refer back to at the end of the series?
I'm going for Zeuthen's ex-wife's new bloke, the doctor.

hackmum Mon 19-Nov-12 17:27:59

I don't get those things either Lula. Borch should have known better than to be so obvious. The homeless angle seemed a bit thin to me - the political opponent seemed to be making capital out of the fact that the security people should have been working on stopping Emilie being kidnapped instead of protecting the PM while he was visiting the homeless. Perhaps that will become more clear next week.

I also didn't see how they could find that amount of money, in cash, in 55 minutes.

Still love it, though.

diddl Mon 19-Nov-12 19:51:31

It was obvious that "the drop" would go wrong, wasn´t it?

And why kill the DPP?

Why info does he have that would lead to the killer?

Wonder what "the debt" is?

I guess Emilie went by herself as she was off to feed the cat.
The perp was nearby waiting as she went at the same time?

Right, I've been avoiding this thread, but I've just caught up. OMG - what a horrible death for the public prosecutor!

I keep expecting the PM from Borgen to appear. I fear I am going to get horribly confused with this, Borgen and the Bridge (horrible hidden compartment in a room).

I think it's someone close to the family who knew that the daughter was desperate for a cat - and not allowed - and deliberately tempted her to the fence with it. Perhaps the dad's right-hand man? Lots to think about. And Lund walking up a dark train tunnel made me feel quite ill. That and the dark boat below deck would be absolutely the worst things I could ever imagine doing.

diddl Mon 19-Nov-12 21:36:22

I suppose he was always intending to kill the PP?

Unless there was someone nearby with Emilie ?

So what´s the connection?

Were there 2 court cases mentioned?

Someone expecting money & a young girl´s suicide?

And one of the sailor´s was connected to those or the killer?

2 eps in & I´m confused already!

professorpoopsnagle Mon 19-Nov-12 21:39:10

I think the ex-wife's new bloke is involved too, but probably not the main perpetrator.

diddl Mon 19-Nov-12 21:39:52

"I think it's someone close to the family"

Or connected to the nanny?

I can´t understand why the nanny wouldn´t say anything when she discovered the rash?

Even if the girl was desperate to keep seeing the cat-how could you let her in that state?

I assume the wanting to stay with the Dad was because of the cat?

ScrambledSmegs Mon 19-Nov-12 22:59:28

I'm curious about the 'debt' that Zeuthen or his ex-wife supposedly owe as well. I thought that Zeuthen looked a little shifty at that, but I may have imagined it. It's probably going to be something pretty dark, isn't it?

Thanks for telling me it was the DPP. I can't believe I didn't recognise him.

Btw, I like Asbjorn, I hope he's going to be important in the investigation.

diddl Tue 20-Nov-12 07:30:58

I´m wondering if the "debt" was that something was covered up for Zeuthen-resulting in the deaths of others?

Or that deaths were covered up for him?

Or money lost through his firm resulting in deaths?

I also like the new partner.

Hope he doesn´t die.

He reminds me a bit of the partner in series1.

redlac Tue 20-Nov-12 13:00:08

agent I would have loved Brigit from Borgen to have a sneaky wee cameo walking down the hall behind the Prime Minister

crunchbag Tue 20-Nov-12 13:10:16

I am hooked again grin

What about the kitten angle? There was a kitten on the Medea that nobody seemed to notice, how did the kidnapper know about Emilie's obsession with cats? Insider job? And why did Zeuthen's aid only mention the nanny knowing about a cat when it was too late? And why didn't the nanny say anything, she must have known about the allergy.

already so many questions, I am loving it.

NevermarriedDuranduran Tue 20-Nov-12 18:41:46

Jumper Alert! Polarn o Pyret (po.P) do brilliant fairisle kiddie jumpers, I have 3 little Sarah Lunds bouncing around the house tonight. 25 quid each, but there is a code COSY2012 that gives you 15%... Now back to the topic....

I agree we were spoilt with series one and the Birk Larsens, and we prob wont relate as well to this new family. But its only episode 2. Not too impressed with the names yet, although Asbjörn is pretty cool. Hes very keen and I wonder what dodgy skeletons he might have hidden in his closet....

redlac Tue 20-Nov-12 18:44:22

Can anyone point me in the direction of where I can watch series 2 please?

Redlac, I think you'd have to buy it on DVD. But don't watch it concurrently with series three, or you'll get really confused. I've not seen Series One yet - I've bought it, and I'm keeping it for the dark days of January.

redlac Tue 20-Nov-12 19:55:41

Think ill put it on my amazon wish list then!! Season 1 is one of the best bits of TV I have ever seen - wish I could go back and watch it fresh smile

wiganwagonwheelworks Tue 20-Nov-12 20:38:43

a kitten on the Medea, crunchbag? A real live one? I will have to watch it again, was clearly not paying attention (any excuse to watch it again....)
I think the perp wanted to punish those three sailors in particular...and I also think that Zeeland as a firm indulge in dodgy business practices...so many angles for the investigation to take!!

redlac Tue 20-Nov-12 20:40:50

Yep wee kitten was there - just after Lund found the burned paper with the advert

diddl Tue 20-Nov-12 20:42:22

redlac
If you google "Watch Forbrydelson 2 online" you´ll get it.

Also Series 1 and up to Ep7 of series3

TheFarSide Tue 20-Nov-12 20:48:26

I think there must be more than one kidnapper/killer - how could he collect the bag of money from the number 14 bus while being on top of a neighbouring building ready to push off the DPP (not to mention down on the train noticing that Lund was not alone).

confused

wiganwagonwheelworks Tue 20-Nov-12 20:54:29

yep, agree. Unless the perp left the money to drift off on the train. Perhaps it's a couple who lost their child out to exact revenge if Zeeland was guilty of negligence? (which might implicate the nanny?)

wiganwagonwheelworks Tue 20-Nov-12 20:54:55

bus I mean not train....

diddl Tue 20-Nov-12 21:09:42

I wondered that.

But I thought maybe he doesn´t want the money & always intended to kill the DPP.

Was obvious Lund wouldn´t be alone-so pretty safe to use that as a reason/excuse.

And the girl was left alone somewhere secure?

Or there´s someone elsegrin

wiganwagonwheelworks Tue 20-Nov-12 21:15:10

oh yes, I don't think the perp is interested in money, it only infuriated him when they attempted to put a price on life, there's something else at stake I think. I don't think the girl was anywhere near the courthouse, so there really has to be more than one person involved... grin

crunchbag Tue 20-Nov-12 22:04:39

Agree, the money is a red herring and the DPP was a goner anyway. If Lund had been alone then he probably would have claimed that the amount was too low.

The girl could be somewhere secure and drugged up.

Mums boyfriend works in a hospital or something, knows about the girls cat obsession and time table.

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 20-Nov-12 22:08:01

Just caught up. I think the ex wife is dodgy. Firstly she is too naturally beautiful. Secondly she got a bit shrill. Well I know you would but Lund didn't look too impressed. Lurch the aide is another baddie. New PM is Troells without the charm.
So the Danish say "kidnapping" as well. Did they not have this concept before? Or did it happen and they thought Oh we don't have a word for this, let's just use the English term.
Bit scarey at the end.

TheFarSide Tue 20-Nov-12 22:33:49

<worrying about unguarded bag of money on the number 14 bus>

HotheadPaisan Tue 20-Nov-12 22:37:28

What was the suicide? I think a runaway and the pimp got her involved on Medea maybe, company-owner business man offered the family money to hush it up? This is the father exacting revenge?

HotheadPaisan Tue 20-Nov-12 22:38:48

Ex could be proving he shouldn't have shared residence maybe too. First theory more plausible as DPP involved in hush up.

I don't actually want to know, I don't usually guess, just prefer to watch.

crunchbag Tue 20-Nov-12 22:51:21

Clara, the Danish word is kidnapning so maybe the English word is based on that smile

ImperialBlether Tue 20-Nov-12 23:45:41

AgentProvocateur I am really jealous of you for not having seen Series 1.

Find the thread on it and just read a bit at time.

I'm putting off watching it, because the anticipation is delicious, and once I've seen it, there's no more Killing sad

ClaraDeLaNoche Wed 21-Nov-12 13:24:19

Also to throw a bit of S&B into the mix: this is my homage which I am wearing today.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 20:47:35

Hah! So this is where you've all been hiding! In your Danish jumpers with your smorgasbord. Fancy eh, the Danish title of the thread.

Everyone at the ready for tonight?

Yes, wine open, cheese breathing, phone off.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 20:59:59

It might have bee asked before, but how does everyone like The Jumper? I quite like it. The stripes are perfect for a fat arse pear shaped woman like myself.

NomDePrune Sat 24-Nov-12 21:44:45

Ooh change of jumper! Much better.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 21:46:07

Is the kidnapper going to kill someone else? He didn't say whether 100 million was enough or not.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 21:48:45

This is not good. I feel it in my bones

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:00:22

protective vest off - doesn't she ever LEARN???
packing a pistol for a change. mmm. maybe....

LOVING THIS!!!!!

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:01:33

knew tonight's victim was going to be toast from when we first saw them....
it's the Killing's version of a trekkie red shirt.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 22:02:03

teej! Haven't seen you since The Bridge!

Yes, loving this too, even with my sinusitis!

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:02:49

sorry that was so rude of me - even a little bit Lund shock
Hej everyone <waves>

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:04:46

omg

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:06:31

oh ffs she can't lose ANOTHER partner...

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 22:08:31

Sweet divine! No one will ever want to work with Sarah again!

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 22:13:41

Next victim the Justice minister?

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:30:35

Not this time you twerp. Put the gun back.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:49:24

look at the junior minister you twerps.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 22:57:52

is it her new daddy?

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:01:02

lurking!! have been around but not posting much. posted last week though <points upthread, polishes killing addict badge>

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:04:17

It's Zeutens security chief. Trying to keep him out of the picture to reinstate his old mate the ex-CEO Zeuten sacked. And somehow the political opposition leader is involved.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 23:07:50

Tis excellent, isn't it?

So what does Robert zeuthen know or what did he do? Summat terrible, it must be. And why are they not talking to Rosa's ex-husband? What happened to the prime ministers son? Did I miss something?

And why why why does anyone ever doubt Lund?

LaVolcan Sat 24-Nov-12 23:07:59

Zeuthen's security chief is dodgy, as is the Justice Minister, as is Borch. Hmm, just in my opinion, of course..... I don't know who has done it, except Zeeland must be involved somehow.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 23:09:15

And yes, I like this jumper more than the stripey one.

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 23:11:01

Yes, zeuthen's security chief is suspicious.

Emilie knows not to talk to strangers, her mother said, so it's someone she knows.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:12:09

skandi I don't trust the security chief but he is too tall (the perp was much smaller than Borch) and also these plans have been in place long before Zeuthan booted out the old CEO.
That said, the perp thinks Zeuthan is in some way culpable for what happened to the girl.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:13:57

y'see the exw's bf is on the small side, hence why I wondered again this week whether we are being pointed in that direction. Also he was tres keen to get the mother out of the room.

smugmumofboys Sat 24-Nov-12 23:14:59

Could Zeuthen Snr not be involved? Jnr is covering for some dark family secret? Justice Dept lackey mentioned that Justice Minister was mates with Robert's father.

smugmumofboys Sat 24-Nov-12 23:16:36

Also much preferred the blue jumper.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:18:46

ok - dodgy theory for this week to be shot down in flames.
the bf is a doctor. he may have treated this girl, got to know her story and been horrified by what happened to her OR
in an echo of Mark and Eve, he got his gf pg when he was younger and broke, he bolted, the girl gave up the child who ended up in foster care and ta da it was actually his daughter who died.
either way, he knows enough to know that Zeeland sailors somehow were involved in what happened to her (or covering up of the same) and actively targeted the ex-w to get at Zeuthen and therefore Zeeland.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:19:51

smug didn't he reach his position of power because his dad died and he took over his place, though? the board thought daddy's boy could be pushed around - until he bit back.

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:19:52

Teejwood. Ah yes but Zeuthens security chief is paying for it all. A sort of back door corporate coup to get rid of Zeuthen without the finger pointing to him. Hence he is willingly letting the police take Zeuthen straight to the perp for the exchange.
The opposition leader knows or is somehow involved with Zeuthens security chief and is using PET(Special branch) for political motives.

Zeuthens security chief is in favour of moving the Zeeland operation to Asia which is what would win the opposition leader the election and the PM post (Denmark almost always has a hung government). So they are collaborating but for their own gains. And there is something with the Central party leaders ex-husbands (he is PET special branch) friendship with Zeuthens dad. Not sure what - too drunk on mulled wine to work it out.

Could it be juncker? Maybe he is dead girls brother. How did borch get back so quickly and into the same room as Lund? am I the only one who loved the zig zag jumper

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:24:48

And the perp has been fed information of the cover up if that girls death through that PET/special branch bloke who is also the ex of the central party leader. So the politicians are using the cover up of a murder for political gain which involved Zeeland seamen whom Zeuthens security chief paid the deputy prosecutor (who was murdered) to pressure to cover up. So the security chief could later use it to get rid of Zeuthen and move Zeeland to Asia.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:26:38

castle have to confess I'm with the others - preferred the blue jumper.

Skandi - agree that corporate espionage/internal politics was my first theory last week <consults whiteboard> but the more that has been revealed, it seems the case and the kidnapping go back further than Zeuthan's boardroom coup. Which is what is leading me in other directions.

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:27:58

I liked both jumpers. And I feel sorry for Lund. She could have been a good mum but felt it her duty to help others and now her only son hates her. (I'm drunk btw).

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:28:52

Teejwood. Ah yes but Zeuthens security chief is exploiting it.

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:29:51

Icapture. Juncker is too young. The perp is a man in is 40s.

SminkoPinko Sat 24-Nov-12 23:32:16

I like all the jumpers so far, including the stripey one, icapture. Also really liked the prime minister's brother's parker style anorak!

Emilie is so clever, doing sos signals and writing on the windows. So hope she will survive and not become the August of Forbrydelsen III...

I think ex-husband is definitely suspicious... And security guy. And the dad has done something that the killer wants to punish him for. But what? What is the debt?

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:33:53

An obvious Zeeland connection could be: given that the sailors were made to watch porn while being tortured, I assume that was part of their punishment, perhaps to fit the crime? Perhaps they had kidnapped and abused the girl, or were "customers" of the person who took her. In fact the police may want to look at the pimp again - maybe that is how the perp knew his hiding places, it was no co-incidence at all.
The crime was covered up - probably in the Justice dept. I'd be looking at the junior minister, personally because he looked shifty as hell tonight. It was covered up to protect Zeeland's reputation and keep them sweet to avoid a move to Asia. It may be that Zeeland were not involved in the cover up at all - which would be a great twist - but it was junior ministers acting on their own volition thinking they were helping the overall governmental agenda.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:35:33

Oh god, Sminko, August <sniffles at the memory>

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:37:20

Teejwood. Indeed. There is also a link to Zeuthens dad but I am currently far too drunk to work it out. Zeuthens dad was friends/went hunting and golfing with the special branch bloke and one of the ministers but not sure which one.

crunchbag Sat 24-Nov-12 23:39:22

Poor Lund, every time she nearly got to talk to Mark her phone rang.

We now know the kidnapper is smaller than Borch and has both advanced technical and medical knowledge. And he seems to know Emilie, especially at the end when he offered her his hand.

And there is a huge cover up regarding the dead 13 yo girl Louise.

Kamper had a son and something happened to him

So who is really in charge of Zeeland, Zeuthen or his security chief....

Something is going to happen to Eva and the baby, isn't there

SminkoPinko Sat 24-Nov-12 23:41:37

Nooooooo! Nothing must happen to Eva and the baby (Eva is drop dead gorgeous, isn't she?). Mind you, Lund nearly shot them both dead tonight!

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:42:03

Oh. OH. Every payoff so far has been a distraction so the perp can bump someone else off, agreed? What if this thing with Zeuthen is the same?
The justice minister or the junior justice minister to be next week's trekkie red shirt?

crunchbag Sat 24-Nov-12 23:42:14

skandi1 it was the justice minister

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:42:50

skandi did the dad not go hunting with the justice minister?

Yes you are right I suppose about juncker but I think it has to someone linked to the girl and on previous series someone we see in the first ep and who we see a lot. Also think something will happen to Eva and the baby.

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:43:40

x-post crunch! <chinks glasses>

lurkingaround Sat 24-Nov-12 23:43:57

6 more episodes to go. Bound to get a lot more complex. Interesting all the little parallels, with children and parents. The murdered girl, prime minister and his son, Sarah and her son, Sarah's son and his unborn child, and Emilie and her parents. Not that the perp knows this. Or does he. Yes yes, hope Emilie is not the August of this series. Too awful. <over involved emoticon>

crunchbag Sat 24-Nov-12 23:44:30

grin

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:46:26

Sorry yes it was the creepy little justice minister. Perhaps he is it?? He said he would go and make sure everything was going to turn out ok?? Argh. Need more episodes now!! I can't wait a week!!

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:46:38

As soon as we saw Mark playing happy families (before tonight, obvs) I groaned inwardly, I have to admit. And then when Lund told the perp she had a son I was shaking my head. And when she went to see them with the box of chocs (that she forgot to hand over grin) I thought the camera angle was a little strange, like they were showing us someone was watching her.

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:48:41

Teej. Yes every payoff/exchange has been an excuse to bump someone else off. Who ever next?? Perhaps the perp is actually targeting Lund? Perhaps it's her neglected son Mark <goes mad>

teejwood Sat 24-Nov-12 23:49:44

skandi he def thought he was saving his job there - and then was shot down in flames!
It's going to be porn/prostitution, isn't it? Someone high up caught up in whatever happened to that girl. Perhaps even our favourite security chief??

SminkoPinko Sat 24-Nov-12 23:52:53

Mark is very sullen. He should be honoured to have the great S Lund as his mum even if she is absorbed in important work at his expense at times. sheesh! I hope Lund herself makes it to the end alive... This is the last series, isn't it? Her life is therefore at risk!

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:53:03

Security chief embroiled I some nasty peadophile ring? Too far out perhaps. I do wonder whether it was something to do with Zeutens dad and that he did something to that Louise girl who was murdered which is why the security chief is able to exploit the situation.

SminkoPinko Sat 24-Nov-12 23:56:48

Did Jimmy Saville ever visit Denmark? Arranging access to vulnerable girls in foster care sounds like his sort of thing.

skandi1 Sat 24-Nov-12 23:59:30

Sminkopinko (great name btw - Fast Show fan per chance??)
That is it! It's jimmy saville! I had control over it before Teejewood started me off on various dodgy tangents. smile

teejwood Sun 25-Nov-12 00:14:18

Just posted on the BBC thread. sigh. Who else had the fucking blinding idea of buying The Killing? And Spiral. And Borgen. And Montalbano. And The Bridge. Licence fee worth that alone.

teejwood Sun 25-Nov-12 00:15:14

grin this week i be mostly sharing dodgy tangents skandi!!

SminkoPinko Sun 25-Nov-12 00:23:02

lol Skandi1 and teej.

If it's not J Saville come back from the dead and relocated to Denmark, could the perp be a woman, in view of small stature? How about Lebech? Or the mother? Would be interesting for Lund to be pitted against another woman, I think.

skandi1 Sun 25-Nov-12 00:31:45

grin Teejwood!
Or does it have something to do with the PMs PA but that's too obvious given other Killing series.

Btw Forbrydelsen translates as The Crime and not the killing.

I've spent ages trying to remember which one Teejwood is, but I've just realised she's a poster in the thread and not a suspect! blush

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 25-Nov-12 13:57:10

I was very anxious she might shoot Mark's gf Eva by mistake, thought it was promising Eva came round but Lund being as wooden as ever didn't really seize the chance to get pally.

DH and I looked at each other when Lund and Borch left the red haired pathologist
and said, "She's for the chop".

Seems odd the children's nanny employed by Robert hasn't figured much.

Bit surprised Lund hasn't been to the school to check out photos.
Wild outside guess as to identity of perpetrator: Emilie's teacher.

wiganwagonwheelworks Mon 26-Nov-12 11:20:51

This whole thing seems to me to smack of a very very high up, lots of important people in on it. ring of child abuse....loads more episodes to go, too. And is it me or was there some intimation that the PM's assistant Karen is in love with him? Yet more complexities...
I love the Killing!!! How fantastic is this series!!!?

Can I join in? I've only just seen this thread. I'm going to read back but I think it has something to do with Zeuten's dad and his right hand man. (We are calling him Kato at home).

I also wondered if we are going to see more of the nanny.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 26-Nov-12 12:01:30

Agree with whoever ( Sminko ?) said, Emilie is bright and clever trying to leave discreet clues and flicking her light on and off.

Think the bit with Rosa's ex will maybe shed more light on the Louise case, (hope it's not a red herring).

I was concerned to see the PM walking up to that room with the cupboard in his old house - hoped he wasn't involved with creepy goings on - but sounds like a back story regarding his son is going to emerge. I did wonder why he keeps studying photos of Emilie so closely and wondered about paternity but if he lost a son of her age it could explain that.

wiganwagonwheelworks Mon 26-Nov-12 18:29:07

I suspect the PM's son is dead,given the sadness this kidnapping seems to be causing him, and that there is no mention of an ex-wife. Great sadness in his past, I think.

MousyMouse Tue 27-Nov-12 23:12:27

only just caught up.
a flat tyre hindered my planting of arse on the sofa on saturday.
had a certain nordic feel to it, waiting for the aa man in the dark and rain in an industrial estate

I'm a bit confused about the political angle, why is the prime minister so involved and so informed about this case?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Wed 28-Nov-12 19:56:37

Jumps in with both feet:

Because at the time the PM was in the harbour area for a "meet and greet", there was a police + Special Branch presence to protect him, whereas it came to light that no such protection was offered to Zeuthen's family in spite of a kidnapping threat from some unidentified anti-capitalist threat.

Because Zeuthen the shipping magnate and owner of Zeeland is a big party supporter and has enjoyed special tax breaks in exchange for keeping the company and massive employment in Denmark over the years, which the PM needs to maintain confidence in Danish industry during the recession.

Because there's now a trail of subterfuge and high level intrigue involving govt figures and the late Zeuthen Snr regarding the cover up of a case of a drowned girl some years' before, and any shout of corruption or scandal is going to severely damage re-election prospects.

crunchbag Wed 28-Nov-12 20:00:08

Why the pm is so involved is still unclear, there is something in his past like a lost son/brother

He is so informed because Zeeland is a powerful company that they need on their side during the election, eg promise of jobs, money.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 21:05:48

Hej all <waves>
who was creeping up behind the Pm - was that the junior justice guy?

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 21:09:10

oh it was the ex-h.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 21:20:54

lund you've been had, girl. he hasn't killed her.

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 21:33:09

So the chief prosecutor is going to hang it all on Lund! It's all looking dodgy.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 21:49:30

EXACTLY what I thought Borch
<great minds>
<feels smug>

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 21:52:17

is that kamper with the prosecutor by any chance???

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 22:15:11

It's all murky. That opposition candidate Ussing is heavily involved.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 22:24:44

yeah! in a dark empty building, no back up. that's what we like to see grin
<gulp>

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 22:53:40

ohhh so which policeman had the boy spoken with before??

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 22:54:44

are we laying bets that ussing was the dead girl's deadbeat dad who didn't stick around?
or that it was his black car that picked her up?

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 22:55:21

the bike sad

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:00:08

I wish the next ep was riiight nowwwwwww
<frustrated>

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:01:03

bloody hell where is everyone tonight??? skandi - you there???
<frets i've killed the killing thread>

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:01:48

Sooooo. It has nothing to do with Zeeland but something to do with Ussing. Well well. It's not great for Lund being locked in with the dodgy special branch bloke and the perp roaming around outside. Argh. Another week to wait!

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:02:38

Teej. I am here I am here. Looks like we are a bit like Lund and borch, in it alone together grin

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:04:06

are we suitably non-armed without a torch or firearm, skandi?
was so sad to see the room. what an awful death for the poor girl.

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:04:07

Will Lund manage to save brix like he has saved her before?? The two of them should get together.
And Lund won't be popular with her daughter in law after abandoning her at the scan!

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:04:59

Armed only with mulled wine grin

That mattress and chains. Yuk.

SminkoPinko Sat 01-Dec-12 23:05:29

Ussing is Louise's dad?

And Borch covering up?

I'm very very very very very worried that Mark will commit suicide.sad Would just fit with all the loss of children theme.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:06:01

btw meant to applaud donkey's summary of why the pm is so involved, above.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:09:22

Ha! mulled wine is a real boon in my an investigation
<hic!>
sminko i share your concern about mark. would fit right in with the killing mo. this child didn't commit suicide, so to keep the "balance" of the story, that one will. BUT having said that, I am still hoping the writers will give Lund a happy ending and Mark will be reconciled with Eve (?) and Lund can play happy grannies...
<closet sentimental sap>

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:11:24

What do we think is under the sheet? I still don't believe that Emilie is dead
<sticks fingers in ears, sings la la la not listening>
The thing is, if Brix was about to look at a body wouldn't the room be more morgue-y iykwim? That could have been any "clean" investigation room at the end...

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:13:00

The daughter in law and Lund hasn't heard from Mark for a few days. Perhaps the perp has mark as well??

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:15:45

Teej. What the officer who came to get Brix actually said was: "we have found her or rather what is supposed to look like her" . I didn't read the subtitle for that bit but from what that officer said, I would take that as its something which is meant to look like a body but isn't.

SminkoPinko Sat 01-Dec-12 23:16:26

My partner (who is evil and constantly on a windup) suggested that Mark is the perp... shock

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:17:19

Sminko. That's evil!!! Tell your DP to stay out of it. smile

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:17:29

But skandi lugging around a grown man and a child would be a tad more difficult, non, especially for someone who is still several steps ahead of the investigating team <no thanks to bloody Borch>?

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:21:43

Oh skandi that's interesting because as soon as I saw the shooting I thought it was just a load of tarps or something bound together to look like a body.
if the investigation was not so personal i would have put mark in the frame too, sminko, esp given the profile of dark, smaller man. but there is no link to the dead girl to make that work as far as I can see?

SminkoPinko Sat 01-Dec-12 23:22:42

I did, skandi. In no uncertain terms. I'm struggling with suspects atm though! The step dad has been around too much and probably the right hand man guy too... Surely it can't be Borch when last series it was the person shagging Lund? If we've seen the killer already as per usual modus operandi who is left? Ussing? Asbjornshock? The prime minister? Rosa's husband?

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:22:55

Teej. He isn't lugging mark. He is holding him somewhere. Perhaps in a summer house. They are now all on the west coast of Jutland which is full of summer houses which are empty that time of year. So perp could easily be hiding an extra person there.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:24:23

So if the car was licensed to Zeeland, who do we think was driving that day? Lurch the security chief? Or someone else?

Also - I can run with Ussing being the deadbeat absent dad. But then who IS out to get revenge on the girl's behalf if not her dad (who is much taller than the perp)??

crunchbag Sat 01-Dec-12 23:27:11

Gripping episodes tonight and more confused than before

Please let there be kittens in the bag

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:30:30

True, skandi - about the perp being able to hold mark somewhere.
Oh this is irritating.
Don't think it is Borch - but he was involved in the investigation and lied about it and is trying to mislead lund. To protect whom?
Asbjorn seems to have been an honest broker so far.
I'm not so sure about the Maja's bf. Yes he has been around but maybe not at the times when the perp was actually on the move. Eg he could be making those calls from anywhere - but that may be a stretch too far.

skandi1 Sat 01-Dec-12 23:30:30

I think it's a politician who killed Louise and special branch and borch covered it up and Ussing is somehow involved and using it for his gain and he somehow also wants To hurt Zeuthen.

ScrambledSmegs Sat 01-Dec-12 23:30:44

Well. shock We were watching on delay, so just caught up.

Poor ole Lund. She doesn't have much luck with the blokes she shags, does she?

Sorry for radio-silence, but I can't look away from the screen when it's on!

Ussing is definitely connected, but is he the perpetrator? Not sure.

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:31:47

crunch! oh no kittens shock! Just tarps/rags/sheets.
sad

SminkoPinko Sat 01-Dec-12 23:31:57

Could the prime minister be driving the black car? Could he be Louise's dad? Surely special branch would only be interested in covering up for the big guns?

SminkoPinko Sat 01-Dec-12 23:33:56

He's quite small and dark, that PM. And we've seen lots of him. Surely it must be someone there from the start?

OhBuggerandArse Sat 01-Dec-12 23:35:26

Oh help! <Shuts eyes so cant see spoilers>

I have had some big big work things to do and couldn't start watching when the series started - and have just turned to iplayer and found the first two episodes gone already! Is there anywhere I might find them, or will I just have to wait for the DVD?

I fear my winter is ruined!

crunchbag Sat 01-Dec-12 23:38:27

It won't be Emilie, otherwise would Brix be doing the authopsy?

Borch is covering up but don't think he is involved directly

We need to find out more about Louise, don't keep getting sidetracked Lund!

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:48:29

OhBugger - someone upthread (think it was diddl?) mentioned she had found the eps online somewhere. have you tried googling?

teejwood Sat 01-Dec-12 23:52:09

There was something about when the perp (we assume) locked them in the building. He lingered long enough to hear Borch say the important thing was the driver. Mmmm.
So we need to identify:
- Lousie's deadbeat daddy
- who owns the car
- who was driving the car
- who else might be fighting Louise's case if not deadbeat daddy

SminkoPinko Sat 01-Dec-12 23:55:18

Perp may kill Borch for covering up?

teejwood Sun 02-Dec-12 00:11:50

Oh that's it my brain has fried. Back when I can think straight.
Night, all!

ScrambledSmegs Sun 02-Dec-12 00:12:19

I really don't like Zeuthen's assistant/butler guy, Reinhardt. I wonder if he's anything to do with the death of Louise? I know that the actors aren't given the heads up on whether they're playing the killer or not until they shoot the final scenes, but there seems to be something very off about his character.

Maybe it's just that he reminds me of Michael Howard grin

skandi1 Sun 02-Dec-12 00:21:00

Weeeelll. I am about to find out grin
I have just discovered that you can play up to episode 10 on Danmarks Radio website (dr.dk). And for me that is fab as I avoid the subtitles. However if you are not a speaker of the language of the Danes then you will have to wait.

To avoid giving anything away, I am going to step away from this thread so I don't ruin anything for the rest of you.

ScrambledSmegs Sun 02-Dec-12 00:28:22

Ooh! Lucky you! envy

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 01:29:57

Wasn't that the quickest 2 hours of telly all week?!

I must say I wondered if Stoffer had been abducted but it never crossed my mind Mark was possibly in danger, good idea!

Secondly I thought the scenes showing Nanna Brik Larsen's parents' raw grief was so well done in The Killing series 1 but tonight the staging of shots of Robert, very solitary and crushed were equally moving.

Lund and Borch, crikey. Hope Jutland beds are comfier than Norwegian ones - that young colleague was already curious about their shared history. I hope he's not a rotter he's definitely up to something.

Brix's ex lover Ruth and the PM's gf Rosa didn't stand by their men did they?!

The subtitles used the word "remains" as in, "The girl's remains have been found".
I thought (grasping at straws having refused to believe the kidnapper really shot her) that it was the duffle bag they'd located not Emilie's body. I don't think Brix would be allowed to be first up to examine a body.

I'm still clinging to the belief the Emilie is still alive but it remains to be seen if she still will be by the end of the series. I'm not sure about Mark being in danger either. I think he's just messed up. <hopeful>

The black car was posh? It could have diplomatic plates and be a politician. Maybe Ussing? I'm putting my money on the perp being Louise' absent father but I'm not sure who that could be. The foster dad said they thought he was a sailor.

LaVolcan Sun 02-Dec-12 09:23:32

I will need to watch it again on i-player but...... they were trying to retrieve a duffel bag, but we saw the perpetrator supposedly shoot Emilie. I thought we saw him throw something overboard, but he wouldn't have been able to stuff a body into a duffel bag without the police, watching from the bridge, seeing him.

Borch is up to something dodgy, but I now think it's something to do with some Secret Service cover up, rather than being in league with the perpetrator.

I've been racking my brains, trying to think who could keep nipping off to Jutland without being missed, and so be a candidate for the perpetrator. confused

ScrambledSmegs Sun 02-Dec-12 09:27:43

I had weird dreams that involved some characters from the Killing, and I've woken up absolutely convinced that Reinhardt is Louise's killer. Posh car, contacts up high, strings to pull because of Zeeland. And creepy as fuck. I thought it was Theis's creepy friend in series 1 from the start, so I'm going with my gut again. It clearly has good instincts grin

By the way, what happened to the PM's son? I know we're supposed to believe that he committed suicide, but I don't see why the PM would identify so strongly with Zeuthen because of that. Maybe he went missing, presumed dead. Maybe he's not dead?

Maybe he's the kidnapper?! shock
overthinks>.

I think I really need to evict this baby before I go insane wink.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 11:06:43

Who would drive a smart black car, who'd involve Special Branch?

Why is Lund always investigating in the dark on her own? Ffs Lund wait for back-up!

Take it easy Scrambled think of your blood pressure! Is it close to your EDD? Troels or Sarah would be nice names! smile

ScrambledSmegs Sun 02-Dec-12 11:20:50

grin I'm 41+4, hence the insanity!

Has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a character called GM in the credits, played by Thomas W Something (Gabrielson?). Who is he?

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 13:55:10

Did anyone understand the sequence of events with borch's phone call in the motel 'we've got a problem, she knows.' Did Sarah hear that call? Then in the car park the young one who likes crisps came and told her something about a journalist making or not making a phone call - and Sarah promptly went off and slept with Borch. I didn't understand! (maybe because largely hiding behind the duvet)

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 14:15:02

Believe Sarah did hear that call and after past events must have had a "For fanden!" moment wondering what Borch was hiding but Asbjorn Juncker seemed to put her mind at ease so she went back to apologise.

I took a while to digest it but presume Borch did phone the school as himself and the 'journalist' was the bad guy who later eavesdropped on Lund and Borch's confrontation over the notebook of car registration numbers (deffo Wallander plot device) at the very end.

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 14:23:30

Thanks donkeys, think I'll have to watch that part again, because I couldnt see how what crisps man said in the car park reassured her!
could crisps man be the baddy -unlikely I know, but it has to be someone non obvious! Though then why would he phone Sarah to tell her about Borch while they were in that horrible place?

its really living up to series 1 and 2 - when will it be next saturday? I haven't seen Wallender - maybe should try that next!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 14:30:08

There's so much to take in I'll need another viewing too smile I did suspect Maja's fiance but I think he's just on the defensive when dealing with Robert not a baddie.

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 14:56:22

Ah, I haven't ruled out the fiance. He's a doctor isn't he, so could have hooked up that anaesthetic thing to the pathologist. Motive? Maybe he was related to Louise? So I say; don't be too sure.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 14:59:42

shock Yes fair point that was creepy and needed some measure of know how.

Btw re: GM is that one of the other police officers perhaps?

ScrambledSmegs Sun 02-Dec-12 15:06:16

I've looked up Thomas W. Gabrielsson (GM) and have to say I have completely no idea who he is in this show. I have a horrible feeling that I may have spoiled something for my future viewing of the show, so please everybody - do not google him or GM.

How do you say 'Do Not Google' in Danish, btw?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 15:28:20

ScrambledSmegs step away from Google <klaxon> think of babies' tiny hands and feet their little heads smelling so sweetly...

crunchbag Sun 02-Dec-12 15:44:51

If the fiance is involved then there is more than 1 perpetrator because there is no way he could be in the boat and the police station with Maja at the same time.

I loved the scene with Lund, Borch and Asbjorn in the car, so funny.

And Zeuthen's grief was beautifully acted out, very powerful.

skandi1 Sun 02-Dec-12 16:35:45

Scrambled. "Lad google vaere"

crunchbag Sun 02-Dec-12 17:30:07

Interesting theory on the guardian blog; when they said they had the remains of the girl, it could be that they have dug up Louise's body.......

But they had Louise's body. There was a tampered with autopsy report that showed bruising to her body and they talked about self harm scars.

I think the body is a dismembered person who was involved in the Louise cover up.

crunchbag Sun 02-Dec-12 18:02:45

Exactly, and as they can't trust the autopsy report they may have retrieved Louise's body from her grave for further examination.

It's more that the series are trying to make everyone think they have found Emilie by saying 'they've located the remains of the girl'

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 18:08:16

Did anyone else wonder what the point was of the discussion between rowbert and Maya about Carl's lost book? Didn't he lose a toy car last week? Did Reinhardt pop up with the book as well this week?

SmeggingAroundTheChristmasTree Sun 02-Dec-12 18:48:05

YES! Another reason why I find Reinhardt creepy! Thank you Visualarts.

I think the Grauniad may be onto something there. There is a definite possibility that the 'remains' refers to Louise. I would have expected Emilie to be referred to as a body, but maybe that's because I've watched too much CSI.

Why do I find it so hard to refer to the kidnapper as a killer, btw? So far he's murdered the 3 sailors, the DPP and the pathologist. But I refer to him as the kidnapper, and Louise's killer as 'the killer' confused

Psst - 'Tis I, ScrambledSmegs, under a festive namechange. I have another stashed away too, but found it too hard to lose the 'Smeg' part of my name. Once a Red Dwarf fan...

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 19:08:22

As a separate issue the Finance Minister is ambitious and quite prepared to ditch PM as party leader to grab power herself. Ussing always has that smug smirk and Rosa is looking self-serving and why does her ex know about secret Prosecutor + Justice Minister meetings?

Why can I never retain the PM's names? confused

Why was I surprised Stoffer is in a hetero relationship and has a young DS?

Karen is loyal and bright I wish the PM (KK) would recognise her faithfulness.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 19:13:30

PS Calling baddie "the kidnapper" not killer in spite of committing 5 (6?) murders, oh thrice yyy SmeggingAroundTheChristmasTree same in our house!

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 19:35:44

Was Sarah wired while she was on the bridge talking to the kidnapper? Because Borch says to her later on 'on the bridge you told the perpetrator he was mistaken' - ok, maybe she told Borch that afterwards. Then he says '..the perpetrator listened to you, you made him doubt himself' But Borch was not there - how did he know? Or was he just speculating?

And earlier, when Borch arrived at the place where Sarah and Rowbert had left their mobile phones before going off in a van, he says to Brix that S and R have 'gone north in another vehicle' - but how did he know they'd gone north? in a vehicle?

Hmmm. Where am I heading with this? Have Special Branch got some separate surveillance operation going on?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 19:44:35

Trusting old Donkeys thought Borch was just reiterating what Lund told him and everyone following the shooting incident at the bridge.
I do agree Special Branch are up to their necks in this whole case and Brix is just a scapegoat so the police take any flak leaving SBranch aloof and out of public scrutiny.

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 19:51:51

Yes, Borch could be just repeating what Sarah told everyone about the bridge conversation, fair enough.
But: how did he know to tell Brix that she and Robert had gone north in another vehicle? Maybe it was obvious from the layout - north was the only way you could go! Or did Borch arrive just as they were driving off? Difficult to tell in the darkness...

Visualarts Sun 02-Dec-12 20:02:21

But on another tack, has anyone suspected foster father (or mother) yet? The way foster mother hovered in the background saying Nothing was noticeable...

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Sun 02-Dec-12 23:33:07

Anything is worth considering smile.
Did either foster parent fit description of fake policeman asking Louise's schoolfriend questions about events 3 years' ago? Didn't she say to Lund & co he was dark and a bit shorter than Borch?

SmeggingAroundTheChristmasTree Sun 02-Dec-12 23:36:34

Don't know. I thought foster dad seemed a bit weird, as well as foster mum, but he seemed genuinely upset at Louise being murdered, and as if it was news to him.

wiganwagonwheelworks Mon 03-Dec-12 11:06:15

It's too obvious if Ussing is either the deadbeat daddy or the perp, isn't it. But I fink, it's all political. Someone has actually orchestrated the murder to incriminate Zeeland and bring the Government down. <voices final theory weeks in advance of countless red herrings>

wiganwagonwheelworks Mon 03-Dec-12 11:28:17

Oh and visualarts I thought Zeuthen had given Reinhardt the toy safari car to get Maja out of the room while he went off to Police HQ because he knew she'd try and stop him otherwise? But agree, Reinhardt is suspicious.

franklyidontgiveadamn Mon 03-Dec-12 16:59:52

Thanks to redcups for directing me here from the other dead killing thread. Must admit I'm not a proper Killing fan - didn't watch any of the second series because I was still fuming about the lame ending of the first and the completely unecessary way they killed off the brilliant Meyer. Really love the Lund character tho and the atmosphere of the thing is so addictive - was up til 2 last night catching up on the iplayer eek!

Think it's either got to be Reinhardt or the ex-wife's fiance. As someone said earlier it's got to be a character we've already seen by now. Both those would explain how the kidnapper managed to get to Emilie and the gentle way he put out his hand to her when they were leaving for the second meeting with Lund and the dad.

LaVolcan Mon 03-Dec-12 17:10:08

Reinhardt is too tall, I think. The fiance, yes, I think he could be a candidate. He has the motive for wanting to get at Zeuthen.

franklyidontgiveadamn Mon 03-Dec-12 17:31:37

Also they made a point of saying that Carl had gone to the grandmother's - i.e. the fiance isn't looking after him so would be free to come and go. He's going to need a more substantial motive.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 03-Dec-12 18:07:05

Are we certain the perpetrator is working alone?

franklyidontgiveadamn Mon 03-Dec-12 18:12:25

True Donkeys - could be Reinhardt and fiance in it together. In fact fiance might have deliberately engineered the relationship with the ex while she was vulnerable, all part of some bigger plan?

SmeggingAroundTheChristmasTree Mon 03-Dec-12 18:46:00

I've been thinking about this waaaaay too much. I think I've gone off the deep end with my theorising, but the main gist is - I truly believe that Reinhardt is Louise's murderer, the one who precipitated all this. And I bet he's done it before (and since). I think, without any evidence apart from the fact that he creeps me out, that he's a paedophile.

Still wondering about the PM's son. This series has a major theme running through it of parents letting their children down (Lund & Mark, Mark and his unborn child, Zeuthen & Emilie, Louise and her unknown father) and I'm pretty sure that the PM and his son will another strand. I think the son isn't dead, although judging by the way he's discussed I think he's at the very least mentally ill. I think he's very much involved in this case. He probably knew Louise in some capacity. He may even be the kidnapper, but I appreciate this may be a leap too far!

Borch knows something. I think special branch already know a lot more about Louise than they're telling. They may even know who the murderer is, and are protecting them for some obscure reason shock

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 03-Dec-12 19:36:50

Every time someone comes up with a likely candidate I think it's plausible. So if it's true they don't give the secret to all the cast until the last minute, imagine working on set and wondering.

PS Smegging re: royal pregnancy announcement, mentioned elsewhere on MN, proudly told DD spreading good tidings that you & at least one other MNer on a topic I follow are expecting any day cue blank look from her but wishing you a speedy happy delivery. Still here I see? grin

SmeggingAroundTheChristmasTree Mon 03-Dec-12 20:09:48

PM's called Kristian Kamper, by the way. His brother is Kristoffer Kamper. The actor who plays him is apparently better known as a stand-up comedian in Denmark. That must be a bit like watching Eddie Izzard in a serious role - discombobulating, to say the least.

Yes, still pregnant. Booked in for induction on friday, as these cramps aren't doing much. I'm very fed-up. If I keep going till friday I may miss episodes 7&8 on saturday, I won't be able to come on here till I've caught up!

Visualarts Mon 03-Dec-12 22:22:09

An earlier poster pointed out that fiance was definitely somewhere else for one of the kidnapper's 'events' - can't remember which one, sorry! - but it does seem that he would have to be an accomplice rather than acting alone.
Thank you WiganWagon, I still thought that whole 'toy car' episode was rather sinister! And now the lost book as well...

Rhino and the fiance are just a bit too obvious though for my liking - particularly Rhino, he reminds me of the 'Machiavellian', devious, scheming character you always get in a political thriller.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Mon 03-Dec-12 22:53:39

frankly might be right, very cruel to hurt Maja if the intended victim/target of revenge was Robert.

ClaraDeLaNoche Mon 03-Dec-12 23:10:46

Just caught up. I did have a glimmer of hope for the little girl but am worried about the remains. You wouldn't put a sheet over a bag filled with junk would you.

Quite surprised that Sara does not wear a t shirt or vest under her jumper. Must be a bit itchy.

I was thinking about it being itchy too Clara. grin

LaVolcan Tue 04-Dec-12 00:00:00

I have just watched episode 5 again on i-player. Carsten, the fiance, can't be the perpetrator because he was with Brix at the police station when Lund and Zeuthen were going to the rendezvous with the kidnapper. He could still be an accomplice, I suppose. I can't remember where Borch was, but he was also occupied elsewhere.

I think it could be someone that we haven't seen yet......

Looking again at the package that the perpetrator shot - it didn't look like the shape of a nine year old girl, so perhaps it was one of the missing pigs. Presumably this was stage managed by the perpetrator because he knew Zeuthen was watching, so this was to make him suffer.

Visualarts Tue 04-Dec-12 07:09:08

Remind me about the missing pigs? I do remember some reference to them, but I think I ignored it as it never occurred to me it could be relevant (fooled again). Who did they belong to?
LaVolcan, Borch was chasing after Sarah and Zeuthen when they were going to meet the kidnapper - he found their abandoned mobile phones (though see my post below - how did Borch know to tell Brix that they had gone north in another vehicle? Hmm?).
So I think Borch, like Carsten, would have had to have had, or been, an accomplice. Donkeys, I fear we have to accept that whoever it is is capable of great cruelty, based on events to date, so probably wouldn't think twice about hurting Maja. Though it is interesting that as someone else mentioned, we're all still calling him the kidnapper rather than the killer, torturer etc - can't work out why at the moment!

Just caught up - marking my place so I can catch up with thread later.

CurrerBell Tue 04-Dec-12 10:44:44

Just found this thread smile. I watched Episodes 1 & 2 again last night and noticed a couple of things. On the Medea, Victor sees the smoking cigarette in the ashtray... Borch smokes, I think? Also, there is a brief glimpse of the killer and (it may be a shadow) but it looked like he might have a beard? After the kidnapping, when the kidnapper is on the phone to Sarah you get glimpses of him from the back and side (with the lower part of his face hidden by his hand). You can see that he has short, dark straight hair. It didn't look like Borch or Carsten, who both have longer, wavy hair. Probably a complete red herring, of course... and there may be more than one killer. I personally suspect the PM's brother is involved somehow...

RooneyMara Tue 04-Dec-12 10:50:16

Ooh. I was trying to watch this the other night for the first time, it looks really good.

I doubt I'll get much of a chance though being as the kids won't go to bed and leave me alone to enjoy it! Jeg ved ikke. forfaerdeligt mine born smile

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 10:56:46

The foster parent said, Louise's DM told her, DF was away sailing the seas like Pippi Longstocking's dad. I get the impression Reinhardt was working for Robert's father before working for him so when would he have had time to be at sea? plus there was some gentleness about the kidnapper's treatment of Emilie (right up to the possible shooting oh dear I know that sounds mad) and Reinhardt looks a bit old school and stiff to be relaxed with children.

Perp was old enough to father Louise yet sufficiently strong to overpower 3 sailors and manhandle the deputy public prosecutor up to the roof and tie him up, plus grapple with Borch, and nimble enough to run away from Lund, and IT savvy enough to use technology.

I'm confused now. not the first time

If the cast don't know who the kidnapper is until they film it, how does the audience know how close a body match it is when they shoot those scenes?

Also, I think I'm still saying kidnapper rather than killer because of the two young girls who are victims only one is definitely dead. So although the kidnapper has killed people, that's not where the focus is iyswim.

franklyidontgiveadamn Tue 04-Dec-12 14:53:46

Yes, I'm confusing myself as well since there are clearly two perps functioning seperately - the kidnapper/possible murderer of Emilie and the killer of Louise. The kidnapper is supposedly avenging the dead girl - although that might be a (pickled) red herring of course since he seemed not to understand what Lund was talking about in relation to the case and has never specifically mentioned Louise ( or did he? Like I say, i'm confused!)

Not sure the cigarette thing is a clue currerbell - thought it was more intended to show the killer was still right there on the ship.

Think the beeb have made a mistake with the scheduling - they should have had one episode on the weekend and one midweek as it's just too unbearably long to wait for a whole week. How many episodes are there?

SugaricePlumFairy Tue 04-Dec-12 16:27:44

I was ace at pinning the Perps in 1 and 2 but this one has me bamboozled and I am all at sea trying to work out who it is.

Ussing was my hunch but I think I'm way off there. < strokes chin and thinks>

LaVolcan Tue 04-Dec-12 16:32:56

I'm getting totally confused now. If the kidnapper of Emilie isn't avenging the death of Louise, then why is he doing it? Or is it just some hideous crime that Zeeland have committed, of which Zeuthen is the figurehead.

franklyidontgiveadamn Tue 04-Dec-12 16:37:24

After 6 episodes I still feel the plot is no further along - basically it could be anybody we've seen for any reason that is yet to be uncovered. No wonder we're all confused!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 17:47:30

Watching episode 6 again, at the start it's like Mum, Dad and kid driving along smile - Sarah tucks a jacket round Borch, Asbjorn nearly asks are we there yet, then asks for crisps.

hackmum Tue 04-Dec-12 17:48:46

I don't think it's going to be Emilie's body - I think it's going to be another girl altogether. More plot-thickening.

Apart from that, it's fair to say I'm utterly utterly confused.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 18:03:10

? Missing pigs, doesn't Borch just say they're off to look at pigs meaning check out farms nearby following searching bunkers and summer houses?

AViewfromtheFridge Tue 04-Dec-12 18:11:34

Skandi, I have a question: Are the English subtitles always exactly the same as the Danish, or do we miss subtle nuances that are lost in translation?

Visualarts Tue 04-Dec-12 18:58:30

If he shot emilie, surely the boat would be blood stained? yet they've recovered the boat, and don't seem to be doing any forensic analysis for dna. Ok maybe he washed it before scooting off, but surely they would want to try to get his dna to see if he's a known crim?

franklyidontgiveadamn Tue 04-Dec-12 19:19:13

I feel certain he didn't shoot her - that's the one and only thing I'm certain about.

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 04-Dec-12 19:24:46

Who mentioned pigs? I missed all that. Frankly I hope you're right. I want to see Emilie return intercut with the birth of baby Lund and Sara sobbing with joy. Background music will be A Little Drummer Boy.

crunchbag Tue 04-Dec-12 19:27:26

Fridge I think we are missing subtle nuances with the subtitling.
I grew up with Dutch subtitles and as my English became better I started noticing how many things are being missed or changed, I am sure that's the case here as well.

I caught some of yesterdays E5 repeat and whatever is in the duffel bag, to me it looks to small and lifeless to be Emilie.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 19:27:33

LaVolcan Tues 00:00:00
Looking again at the package that the perpetrator shot - it didn't look like the shape of a nine year old girl, so perhaps it was one of the missing pigs. Presumably this was stage managed by the perpetrator because he knew Zeuthen was watching, so this was to make him suffer.

Visualarts Tues 07:09:08
Remind me about the missing pigs? I do remember some reference to them, but I think I ignored it as it never occurred to me it could be relevant (fooled again). Who did they belong to?

Visualarts Tue 04-Dec-12 19:28:22

Of course it doesn't have to be louise's father - could be a brother, sister. That leads us to junckers, karin (ok i accept that is too far fetched!) or eva (even more so). But we have to consider every possibility!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 19:28:57

Very good Clara, I want to see Emilie return intercut with the birth of baby Lund and Sara sobbing with joy. Background music will be A Little Drummer Boy.

Maybe Sarah is pregnant herself after dtd with Borch!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 19:29:39

Head explodes grin

Visualarts Tue 04-Dec-12 19:32:24

Clara i fear sarah will promise eva to be at the birth with her, but then inevitably fail to turn up as she goes to yet another assignation with Him. Or Her.

Spot on Visual. grin

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 04-Dec-12 20:14:45

Actually Donkeys I did think it would be nice if she was pg because that Marc is no use to man nor beast.

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 04-Dec-12 20:29:09

Visual you are probably right but I will only accept a happy ending. What do you mean by "or her"? Did I miss something in the second season? I didn't watch further than the second episode but might go back now.

Visualarts Tue 04-Dec-12 20:44:40

Clara i meant the kidnapper! no doubt in my mind that sarah will still be chasing him while eva is in labour. eva will find it hard to forgive her.

and yes, i am reduced to speculating that the kidnapper or at least an accomplice may be a her - see my ridiculous post below suggesting karin! Well,you never know...

crunchbag Tue 04-Dec-12 20:47:40

Regarding the subtitling, I found this on the other blog which states the nuances we are missing:

The question about the fate of Emilie after the shooting scene has been raised by several posters. So let me confirm, that she is still alive as an extremely important sentence was missed and not translated at all. If you go on the iPlayer (eps 6 & 50:41) Brix is about to finish his conversation with Lund over the mobile "Lund for helvede", when Brix's right-hand man approaching and telling him, that the girl has been located. The subtitle says -"The salvage team has located the remains of the girl" However, in Danish he is saying "De har fundet pigen eller det som skal forestille pigen" Translated the full sentence should read "They have located the girl or what is supposed to be the girl". with the camera having a side view shot of Brix saying nothing, but starring after him only.

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 04-Dec-12 20:52:13

Well done Crunchbag. This is good news, da?

Virtually I thought you were suggesting she would be doing a rude thing with another woman. Another twist?

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 04-Dec-12 20:53:17

Bah not Virtually! Visual. Am giving up now.

frankinsensible Tue 04-Dec-12 20:57:37

I thought virtually meant assignation with the kidnapper and that it might be a she?

Visualarts Tue 04-Dec-12 21:09:48

Returning shortly. You may not recognise me.
That is an amazingly different translation crunch - yes, it could mean many different things. But almost certainly that emilie is not dead, i hope.

Virtuallyarts Tue 04-Dec-12 21:17:00

So. Where was i?
Oh yes, deciding that Karin must be implicated. actually i really like karin, much nicer than that drippy centre party woman, but that doesn't exonerate her considering there is a long way to go before the happy ending with sarah holding eva and mark's baby in her arms.

frankinsensible Tue 04-Dec-12 21:21:09

Sorry visual/virtually! blush
I blame this show, it's frying my brain dammit. Karin implicated how?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 21:22:12

I know Mark is not the easiest to get on with but can see how work driven Sarah is and although she loves him isn't very good at prioritising. After what he must have told Eva I was surprised Eva approached Sarah. When they went for the scan Sarah seemed very moved by the image - another subtle scene beautifully shot.
Dodgy parenting is a theme isn't it?

Virtuallyarts Tue 04-Dec-12 21:43:21

Exactly frankin, I am clutching at straws! But. There may well be a political conspiracy/cover up. maybe karin discovered something that would damage the Pm's reputation, to do with louise's death, and got special branch to hush it up. hang on, what does that remind me of?

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 04-Dec-12 21:50:22

Much better Virtually!

So should I revisit the second season? Heard today that The Bridge is better than The Killing, surely not.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 21:57:56

Chauffeurs/bodyguards probably have carte blanche to drive their employers' swanky vehicles. It wouldn't have to be a public figure... Special Branch would hush up what they could.

Virtuallyarts Tue 04-Dec-12 22:00:29

The bridge is excellent as well - it would see you through the wait for next saturday's killing!

redlac Tue 04-Dec-12 22:04:16

I LOVED the Bridge and I do think it is slightly better than the Killing, but just slightly

Deux Tue 04-Dec-12 22:15:06

So glad I found this thread. I'm finding it totally baffling this time. I fell asleep during the start of Ep 6 and it seems to have had some kind of amnesiac effect. I'm going to have to watch 5 and 6 again.

I've struggled a bit to get into this one and whenever the political scenes are on I find myself thinking it's Borgen blush.

My Skandi ranking is: Kiliing 1, The Bridge, Killing 2, Borgen, Killing 3. Have deliberately excluded Wallander.

LaVolcan Tue 04-Dec-12 22:33:16

My ranking would be Killing 1, Killing 3, The Bridge/Borgen in joint 3rd place and Killing 2 last. I watched Killing 1 again, am watching Killing 3 again ( half an hour to go) but didn't feel like watching any of the others again.

Wallander - I think I have seen them all twice. Krister Hendrikson is the Wallander for me.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Tue 04-Dec-12 23:19:37

The Killing 1 closely followed by
The Bridge
can't decide yet between The Killing 2 and 3.

Borgen is very good but I don't feel it's in this category, I know it involved a cover-up but a different genre altogether.

SmeggingAroundTheChristmasTree Wed 05-Dec-12 06:11:59

Good news! I popped the sprog at 6:30pm-ish yesterday, so will definitely not miss Saturday's episodes!

Got my priorities right, haven't I? grin

Well done, Smegging, and many congratulations. Nice timing!

Virtuallyarts Wed 05-Dec-12 07:03:49

Wonderful news smeg, that is excellent! And hope you are all well,

Congratulations Smegging. thanks

ClaraDeLaNoche Wed 05-Dec-12 08:02:44

Lovely lovely news! Congratulations and hope you are well.

Did you have a Sara or a Borch?

SminkoPinko Wed 05-Dec-12 08:08:55

millions of congratulations, smegging. I think Brix would be a cool name for a baby boy, btw!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Wed 05-Dec-12 09:16:21

thanks Congratulations, Smegging and family!! Hope you and your newborn are doing well smile

frankinsensible Wed 05-Dec-12 15:44:04

Congratulations smegging, sprog's got great timing! smile

Brix would be cool for a girl or boy

frankinsensible Wed 05-Dec-12 20:41:38

What happened in Killing 2 anyway - was it any good? Obviously there was some hanky-panky with Borsch but what was the crime?

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Wed 05-Dec-12 21:08:38

Borch free zone as it happens but Lund pissing off both police, politicians & army as she investigates grisly murders at home linked to Danish military peacekeeping forces in Afghanistan.

frankinsensible Wed 05-Dec-12 21:22:27

Oh - I thought from the way they were talking that Borch must have been introduced in K2.

Virtuallyarts Thu 06-Dec-12 07:36:24

Frankin I can see how you got that impression about Borch. Particularly the fact that sarah's mother recognised Borch straight away and was chatting as if their previous meeting was a couple of years ago - it didn't come across as if it had been 25 years!
However, it emerged that they met at the police academy in training - hence the discussion here about whether Mark is really Borch's son. Mark is ?18 though, not 24, so I think there are no revelations to come on that front.
Only three days to go!

Smeggnog Thu 06-Dec-12 09:55:53

Thanks everyone. I have a Sara! She's lovely, all went really well (and FAST!) and we got home yesterday afternoon. Very chilled out right now, although I'm sure that will change.

I've never watched The Bridge or Borgen. My DFIL raves about Borgen, but I wasn't sure if I would be interested as it's all political, isn't it? I think we were also watching Spiral season 1 on DVD at the time, which we really enjoyed. Really must watch season 2!

crunchbag Thu 06-Dec-12 11:30:11

Lovely Smegg, congratulations smile

GalaxyDisaster Thu 06-Dec-12 15:03:39

Ooh, just found this thread.

My theory is that Louise's murder is nothing to do with her father. I think her father (or possibly even a very dodgy abusive paedophile boyfriend) is an important politician who picked her up in the black car. I think he probably then dropped her, alive, somewhere else. From where someone else entirely attacked and killed her.

Someone in government found out, and thinks they are protecting the politician from the scandal of being involved. But in doing so, they have covered up the murder itself IYSWIM.

I think the avenging kidnapper is not necessarily Louise's father, but a sibling, or boyfriend, or some other relationship.

As to who it is, no idea. grin

frankinsensible Thu 06-Dec-12 15:50:14

Good theory and that would possibly tie in with virtually's theory that Karin is involved.

I think I got the wrong idea about the Borsch thing because of the way he was talking about her relationship with Mark as if he had been around when it was all going wrong

GalaxyDisaster Thu 06-Dec-12 15:52:15

I did wonder if Lund and Borsch have seen each other more recently than everyone else knows about IYSWIM?

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Thu 06-Dec-12 15:57:09

Hi Smeggnog hope DD is snuggling and you are enjoying lots of cuddles. Quick straightforward birth, wonderful!

The Bridge featured killer hunted by 2 detectives, 1 outgoing family man (Danish) and 1 "challenging personality" single woman (Swedish) who has no people skills and drives a mustard coloured classic Porsche.

Borgen is a different kettle of fish but still tense drama - female PM, home + family (married to hunky Ulrik fr The Killing 2 lucky her) vs political deals + back stabbing, plus juicy parallel story re: her bit-of-a-maverick male advisor/spin doctor and attractive ex gf who is a tv journalist. Elements of nefarious goings on if not the whodunnit blood spattered type.

Agree with Galaxy, perp doesn't necessarily have to be related to Louise, nor does her killer have to have been same mystery black car driver who picked up her with the bike.

GingersarealwaysToms Fri 07-Dec-12 22:05:31

Hi all, hope it's ok just to jump in - just found you. I agree with Galaxy above. Does anyone else think that Zeuthen's assistant (the older guy) is somehow involved? He didn't relay nanny's message to Zeuthen immediately in first episode, putting Emilie in more danger; and there just seems to be a bit of camera-lingering on him. Red herring maybe? I've just watched all 6 episodes this week and can't wait for tomorrow night's.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Fri 07-Dec-12 22:31:31

The week drags between episodes wink. Reinhardt is pretty high up on the suspects' list. I'm glad you mentioned the nanny Gingers it seemed odd to me she never got interviewed onscreen but I guess there's a limit to the number of characters and speaking parts.

I hope they don't kill Lund off!

frankinsensible Fri 07-Dec-12 22:42:45

Ooh - they said this is definitely the last one so maybe they would kill her off. But they wouldn't would they? They would though...

I can't even remember the nanny fgs - knew it was a bad idea to stay up til 2am watching on the iplayer. They are definitely lingering and fingering at Reinhardt but there's no way, based on what we've seen so far, to determine what his motive would be.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Fri 07-Dec-12 22:47:01

shock Really hope not, frankinsensible! I know they say it's the last, but maybe further down the line they'll change their minds, never say never.

teejwood Fri 07-Dec-12 22:54:19

Smeg!!!! Congratulations and hope little Sarah is being good for you - and not going into any darkened rooms on her own without appropriate backup wink

Right - thinking still confuddled (especially due to wine) but am now of the opinion they have cheated us a bit - we haven't really seen the killer of the sailors, the prosecutor and Emilie's kidnapper (except in shadow). But we have seen Louise's killer. So they have subverted the normal pattern in that way. We have had "killer 1" (ie the original murder) since the start as usual, if you like, but not "killer 2/kidnapper" - it's the difference between the killer Lund is investigating (to eventually find Emilie) and the kidnapper/killer Borch wants to nab.

The other thing I have thought - the kidnapper never intended to kill Emilie. His rage will mean the end of culpable adults (as he sees it) but I don't think this person is a child killer. I don't believe he ever intended to kill Emilie - but he did want Zeuthen to believe she was dead, with all the pain that entails. He didn't just happen to approach the bridge that way. He didn't just happen to have the kit to hand to make sure that it looks like Emilie has been bumped off when he changed his mind at the last minute. It was all pre-planned.

For those of us who recall previous series, when we were shouting "Look at the bloody files!!!" (and similar) at the screen - do we think this year's "Look at the bloody files" is "Ask the boy!!!!"?

GalaxyDisaster Fri 07-Dec-12 22:59:17

Yes! Why hasn't Carl been asked more!

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Fri 07-Dec-12 23:02:09

<whimper> who's Carl??

GalaxyDisaster Fri 07-Dec-12 23:04:53

Emilie's brother. Isn't he? Is it Karl? Is it something else and i just made that name up?

teejwood Fri 07-Dec-12 23:04:58

Exactly, Galaxy They're trying to protect Carl but in so doing are losing the chance to find Emilie, imho.

crunchbag Fri 07-Dec-12 23:06:35

Carl is Emilie's brother.

E7 & 8 tomorrow

teejwood Fri 07-Dec-12 23:07:54

It's Carl <nods in an affirmative way>, Emilie's brother. Of course a younger brother would have spied upon his big sister (or was that just my brother hmm?)

GalaxyDisaster Fri 07-Dec-12 23:10:03

Well, they seem to have spent a lot of time alone in that big house (i.e without other children), I'd have thought he'd have a fair idea what his sister was up to.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Fri 07-Dec-12 23:21:35

Emilie's brother! Thank you! Thank heavens, I thought I'd missed some major figure. Yes when he hugged his mum when Maja was crying over losing Emilie, I felt quite choked, another well acted moment. (At the same time wondered, has he aged like 2 years, he looked so small back at Robert's house and now he was speaking coherent sentences!).

Quite agree, he might well know something vital.

teejwood Fri 07-Dec-12 23:27:12

They are putting forward two main suspects for the driver of the car imho:
- reinhardt
- (more likely, given he was trying to hush up something) ussing

It is possible that is our next red herring - remember series 1?? What if the driver of the car was just that - a driver of a car who gave a girl a lift to the garage?

I did wonder about Kamper's son, but surely he would have been dead before then, as he is talked about like something in his more distant past (so would imagine more than 2-3 yrs)? That said, I would bet there is more to come out about his son's death.

Also - I still don't trust Maja's new bf. If he could get Zeuthen to kill himself (guilt at Emilie's supposed death) then I'm guessing Maja and the kids would inherit everything. Money and sex - the great motivators.... what if he isn't the killer (Louise's father?) but just directing things behind the scenes?

teejwood Fri 07-Dec-12 23:36:49

Sorry just to make the last point slightly clearer - the pathologist's death indicated someone with medical knowledge - and the bf is the only medical bod we have met as far as we know. So he may be in cahoots with the kidnapper, who may be Louise's father, enabling him to be close to everything without actually having to be there iykwim.
Mmm
The perp also needs to know about HGV's, CCTV, technology and communications. That is a pretty broad range for one person...

Does anyone know if there are 10 episodes (ie finishes on 15 Dec) or if it's on for 10 weeks?

Tak.

teejwood Fri 07-Dec-12 23:40:34

It finishes next weekend, Agent
<weeps>

I'm going out tomorrow night and the next Saturday night. It's bad enough having to avoid this thread until the Monday, but I'll have to avoid all the Sunday papers too. It's not really the sort of programme you can put on when you come in sloshed from a party, is it?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 00:01:38

no, needs proper attention, AP, esp if you are to guess what is happening during eps 7/8!!

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 00:03:29

christ, don't post when pissed teej <slaps self> - what i mean is you want to have a clear head to spot any clues in 7/8 regarding the denouement of the whole thing!

frankinsensible Sat 08-Dec-12 13:11:46

Actually I'm quite relieved it finishes next weekend - the combination of a whole week of suspense and total lack of clues is doing my head in.

Yes, maybe Carl could be the one to blow the kidnapper's cover - it must have been someone with a family connection or inside help in order to get so close. Then again if it's Reinhardt as so many people seem to suspect wouldn't he have tried to shut Carl up if he knew anything?

It's not impossible that the fiance (can never remember his name) was Louise's father - she was only 13 and he could have been an irresponsible teenaged father. The 'pippi longstocking' thing might just have been that he had access to a boat and liked to sail - the boat he used when he 'shot' Emilie - rather than him being an actual sailor like those on the Zeeland ship.

Virtuallyarts Sat 08-Dec-12 13:24:06

frankin I too have my suspicions about Dr Carsten (or is he Mr? if a surgeon). But the one thing I think we know is that he did not shoot the tarpaulin bag because wasn't he with Maja at the police station?

Or was that another occasion when Sarah went to meet the kidnapper - anyway there is definitely one occasion when Sarah went to meet the kidnapper while Carsten was with Maja. So he must be a mastermind or accomplice, but can't be a lone perpetrator.

I'm out the next two Saturdays too. Dh is annoyed as we always watch it together and he'll have to wait!

I'm not sure now that it's the security guy. It could have something to do with Sara's new young partner though. hmm I agree that it's odd no one's questioned Carl more too.

I also want to know what's happened to Mark.

frankinsensible Sat 08-Dec-12 14:12:38

Carsten, that's his name - thanks Virtually. Was he with Maja? No wonder I'm so clue-less if I can't remember half of what's happened! I am suspicious of him tho, especially as they seem to be playing him down a bit compared with Reinhardt.

Agree with you that the kidnapper couldn't possibly engineer everything alone but then the whole kidnap thing is a bit preposterous - the idea that anyone would allow Zeuthen and Lund to go off alone like that and lose communication. The daft thing of Juncker tailing the truck about 100 yards behind and saying 'if we're not careful he'll spot us'. Funniest of all that after two complete disasters Brix still felt it would be unfair for him to resign!

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sat 08-Dec-12 14:29:14

It's hard to tell where Carsten is at crucial points isn't it. If he were working in league with anyone I guess Reinhardt more than Ussing would be a credible accomplice. Ussing is objectionable perhaps he killed Louise. The timelines are deliberately blurred. I initially thought the PM's son died (?) quite recently like within 5 years no more than 10. What happened to the son's mother btw?

Brix popped up in a minor role in The Bridge. In this series he has a strange bond with Lund - she is deferential but often defies him and he seems almost paternalistic at times but quite able to pull rank.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sat 08-Dec-12 14:30:30

Should have said, the actor playing Brix, apols.

Virtuallyarts Sat 08-Dec-12 14:36:13

What hapened to the son's mother, donkeys? Quite. i think we should be told! There is more to learn there.

LaVolcan Sat 08-Dec-12 18:38:58

Carsten could be Louise's killer but can't be directly involved with Emilie's kidnap, unless of course, he got a friend in to do the HGV driving and what not.

Only two and a half hours to go, with Danish pastries at the ready. (They don't call them Danish pastries though. Viennese, I think?)

LaVolcan Sat 08-Dec-12 19:07:14

No, brain fried - Carsten can't be Louise's killer unless he's playing some elaborate game of bluff and double bluff.

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 19:46:42

Am sitting watching Strictly with DD and still The Killing pops into my head <obsessed>
Here is what just struck me: Emilie was supposed to be allergic to cats, wasn't she? How could she have had access to cats without reacting noticeably (so everyone knew)? Unless she was being given medication to stop the reaction. A doctor would be able to do that. Just sayin' wink

Catch you all later!

Virtuallyarts Sat 08-Dec-12 19:59:49

No, I think she did have an allergic reaction - that was how Maja found out that she had been seeing a cat. It only appeared on her arms, body etc, not her face, but that can happen eg with drug allergies - the rash is not on your face but is on other parts.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sat 08-Dec-12 20:08:04

Yy Viennese pastries I think in Denmark.
Not long to go now!

maxmillie Sat 08-Dec-12 20:40:17

Hmmmmmm you know the second series of the US version of then killing? Wa sit based on this? In which case I know who done it

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 21:11:34

Have we just seen how the body got into the sea? trapdoor in floor?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 21:18:46

omg - it was one of his cars!!

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 21:19:32

And Ussing's car! (punches air)

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 21:29:03

how exactly does he have the phone numbers and addresses of police officers??

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 22:00:16

omg. love it grin
where's the wine?

wonderwooman Sat 08-Dec-12 22:03:30

Anyone else think the PM's brother is seriously suspect?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 22:11:26

it's not often lund can call someone else on their lack of tact! (Borch and the PM)

skandi1 Sat 08-Dec-12 22:31:00

The direct translation is actually Vienna bread (=Danish pastry). Recipes for it originally arrived in Denmark with Austrian refugees from the 1st world war.

Teejwood. I have watched it to the end now on the Danish tv website. It's beyond exciting and you cannot possibly imagine where it ends up!! <does excited little dance>. Enjoy it grin

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 22:46:22

it's him, in't it?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 22:46:59

it's a zeeland car, then.

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 22:55:59

rhinehardt all along, then? re murder number 1?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 22:59:02

lund, no!!!!!!!!

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:01:35

skandi!!!!!! just seen your post as was just typing while watching the telly earlier.
Can't belieeeeeve you have seen the end
<frustrated>

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:02:47

and arghhhh at can't believe where it ends up
confused

SminkoPinko Sat 08-Dec-12 23:05:29

skandi1 you traitor! I am absolutely fucking baffled at this point...

SminkoPinko Sat 08-Dec-12 23:07:47

Who is the person with the container numbers written on their arm?
Where is Mark?

skandi1 Sat 08-Dec-12 23:13:29

Ha ha. You will either have to learn Danish really quickly or wait. At least the good old BBC are treating you to two episodes a week. The meanies in Denmark only showed one at a time.

For me it's the best of the Killing series. I was massively lost as to the identity of the perp and how it all went together right till the end. And there is a final twist at the end just when you think you know where you are.

Far too good. grin

LaVolcan Sat 08-Dec-12 23:13:46

Let me see if I can make some sense of this:

The Swedish sailor is the perp/Emilie's kidnapper/Louise's father?

Karen & Rheinhardt were meeting in Jutland.

Although Stoffer seems guilty my impression is that he was just trying to protect his brother, and that he isn't guilty of anything else.

Benjamin - Kamper's son - perhaps saw the murder, but did nothing?? Speculation on my part.

Going out next week but will have to dash back for 9pm to see it.

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:14:25

sminko know how you feel! My (virtual) incident board looks like a bunch of toddlers have had a party with a bunch of marker pens while on a sugar rush.

We know the following:
- killer 2 is Louise's babydaddy, who never knew he had a daughter until after her mother's death
- we have not a farking clue where Emilie is - possibly on the high seas.
- killer 2 is actually a teccie/engineer rather than an oil rig worker
- and that still doesn't explain his medical knowledge, but does help us see how he might have been able to hack into various systems to get the info he needs
- Reinhardt is looking v dodgy right now, in the frame as killer 1 (Louise). or is he? perhaps someone else had the Zeeland car that day? Could Robert - or the old CEO - have been the wrongun all along? The obvious answer is reinhardt, though....
- Karin had been meeting with Zeeland behind Kamper's back - who was she meeting with and how far would she go to get their backing?

SminkoPinko Sat 08-Dec-12 23:15:29

I can't wait till next week!

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:18:22

Volcan - yes swede was the perp
Benjamin I don't think did see the murder?? - but he did see Karin meeting with Reinhardt or the old ceo or Robert Zeuthen (ohhhhh - yes that would make a LOT of sense) and it horrified his leftist sentiments
Stoffer's secret is that he sacrificed his nephew for the sake of political power both for his brother and himself. effectively, he left benjamin to die when he could have helped.
sminko the numbers on killer 2's arm were the numberplates from the boy's notepad..

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:20:05

do we think Karin was shagging Robert to get Robert's loyalty to the government? would make sense. his marriage was going down the swannee and he was after comfort elsewhere. he is very loyal to the government - more than might be the case if it was only a business thing iykwim?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:23:30

skandi there is something in this possibly being the best ever series. In 1 and 2 I nailed the perp quite early on. This has been a lot more twisty - and I love them and hate them at the same time for keeping me guessing grin

SminkoPinko Sat 08-Dec-12 23:23:36

Ah! number plates, thanks, teej.

SminkoPinko Sat 08-Dec-12 23:24:46

Karin is involved up to her eyeballs somehow, I think.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sat 08-Dec-12 23:25:27

Bit unnerving, the perp knowing where Lund lives. When Borch arrived I thought the baddie had decided to confront her. Some tense moments there! Felt sorry for Mrs Borch. Hope Eva is all right. Guessed the 'yachtsman' was a phoney. Glad Rosa got the push, but what's Karen been up to??

LaVolcan Sat 08-Dec-12 23:29:21

But we never did find out what Brix saw when he lifted the sheet at the end of episode 6. Just translated as materials or something - I imagine that we lost something in translation there.

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:30:13

urgh - dp watched with me tonight for a change. he just said that reinhardt is a jimmy saville character <shudder>

SminkoPinko Sat 08-Dec-12 23:32:17

I said Jimmy S was involved way down thread!

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:33:10

wonder whether there were any other murders from any of the other orphanages?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:34:01

you may have been closer to the truth than you knew, sminko grin

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:40:16

oi - skandi - I know you are around. can you answer a question for me please? re benjamin, is the translation correct that he had done something his dad would not be happy about or that he had seen something his dad would not be happy about?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:40:55

sorry that sounded a lot more rude than was intended, skandi - too much wine

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sat 08-Dec-12 23:42:37

Is Mark just being an ass hat and avoiding Eva, not in danger then?

Stoffer could be lying about Karen if he has something to hide, they can't very well verify anything by asking Benjamin.

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:45:46

just to go back to the start - the sailors became involved because the body got tied up in their propellers, is that correct? so how were they persuaded to change their statement? can anyone remember? was it to say they could see no signs of foul play on the body when it was found? perhaps there were some identifying ropes/knots on the body they didn't disclose?

teejwood Sat 08-Dec-12 23:48:36

true, donkeys, but she did look uncomfortable at various points tonight. hoping mark is hiding somewhere while having a pre-birth case of the heebie-jeebies..

skandi1 Sun 09-Dec-12 00:00:28

Teejwood. Not rude at all. grin
Sorry I was busy warming more mulled wine <drunk>
Yes translation re Benjamin is correct. He saw something he believed his dad wouldn't have been happy about. According to the PMs brother.

skandi1 Sun 09-Dec-12 00:04:46

The translation on the subtitles is ok. You are missing out on some of the hidden dry and black Danish humour but some of that doesn't lend it self well to translation.

So far I only picked up on a couple of things I didn't feel we're accurately translated. Perhaps because it required more words iykwim and the pace of the story was moving too fast for a 100% translation.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sun 09-Dec-12 00:06:27

teej I was sidetracked by Karen and Kamper drawing closer so I just thought she was being protective of him.

Weren't the sailors paid off to adjust their statements?

frankinsensible Sun 09-Dec-12 00:09:18

So they introduced a completely new character as the kidnapper? That's so unfair! Even if he's in it with someone else - which he surely would have to be what with overpowering the sailors and the justice guy and all the shenanigans with trucks vans and boats - it's still bang out of order to bring someone new in at this point. Unless he's in someone we've already seen briefly but now in disguise (really clutching at straws now)

teejwood Sun 09-Dec-12 00:20:52

frank we've seen Louise's killer from the start, and then heard the sailors' killer/Emilie's kidnapper or seen him in shadow - so strictly speaking we can't say they haven't given us our killers from the start.
donkeys yy about the statements - but what did they change? we've never really found out, have we? that is all left hanging.

LaVolcan Sun 09-Dec-12 00:22:05

A couple, well lots really, of things trouble me. If the kidnapper is Louise's father but he hardly knew that he had a daughter, surely he would be unlikely to be motivated to get revenge in the way he has been doing? It would be different if he had known her growing up.

Maja said that Emilie was a sensible girl so that suggests to me that the only way she could accept an ipad from someone would be if she knew them. Even if she was annoyed with her parents about their divorce, I don't think she would accept gifts from strangers.

teejwood Sun 09-Dec-12 00:27:44

Volcan agree with you re Emilie - it would suggest that she has been groomed online for a long time if it isn't someone in the family circle.
Re the kidnapper - if the father feels like Zeeland took everything from him - his career and livelihood (he was living in underground passages, really??!!) and his daughter (because she went into a Zeeland backed home, before being killed - possibly with links to Zeeland) then he may have been tipped over the edge into wanting to get revenge.

frankinsensible Sun 09-Dec-12 09:13:49

My post was badly worded teej, obviously we have 'seen' him from the start but what was the point of all those obscure, back of the head shots if not to mask a character we had already been shown? Its a bit of a cheap shot to keep everyone guessing for 7 episodes and then reveal that the character isn't anyone we know.

I find the whole 'kidnapper' character too comic-book for my liking. He can live underground, pass anywhere through any security and under any radar, get to anyone at their home address, survive mortal wounds and disappear in a puff of smoke every time someone's within a few feet of him. Too silly. They could just about redeem it if they reveal that it's someone in disguise - he's wearing a lot of disguise type things - hat, glasses, odd hair (straws turn to cornflakes in hands from being clutched at so long...)

maxmillie Sun 09-Dec-12 11:08:17

When did we find out he was Swedish?

He's got mark and or Eva I reckon

evenkeel Sun 09-Dec-12 11:31:10

They said he was a Swede when he came to see Zeuthen claiming to have spotted Emilie from his sailing-boat - and he was speaking Swedish when he described the supposed sighting (says she smugly, having no knowledge of Swedish whatever apart from avidly watching every Wallander grin)

Couldn't agree more with previous comments about the perp's magical ability to disappear into thin air, even after having been shot at fairly close range by SL. She must a crap shot, which also doesn't ring true...surely if she carries a gun she has to be trained to use it?!

frankinsensible Sun 09-Dec-12 11:55:11

She's also presumably been trained to be professional and detached but that didn't stop her from missing a assignation with kidnapper which could have resulted in Emilies death because she was distracted on the station platform! Not to mention shagging a colleague and then oversleeping! Not to mention making wild accusations in public at Members of Parliament without any hard evidence or legal preamble! hmm

LaVolcan Sun 09-Dec-12 13:25:24

Another question here: how is it that the perpetrator is/was able to run away so fast, despite walking with a limp and yet is still leaving trails of blood everywhere? You'd think he would a) have bandaged himself up by now, b) be feeling a little faint with the blood loss and bruising.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sun 09-Dec-12 14:00:00

Yes LaV that doesn't tie up with any medical skill we thought he had, following murder #5 of the pathologist.

maxmillie think Eva is safe, if the caller really was a midwife telling Lund they needed to reach Mark because Eva had been admitted.

Smeggnog Sun 09-Dec-12 14:33:06

I went to bed after episode 7 last night, and have just watched episode 8 now. And now I'm feeling all smug because I KNEW RHEINHARDT WAS A WRONG 'UN! grin Although sad for all those fictional children.

Can I also point out that they keep saying Benjamin 'disappeared'. They've never actually stated that they found his body, just that he's disappeared / dead. I think I need a little more clarification, although maybe that's just me being overly suspicious. skandi has there been anything more said than we've missed in translation?

Karen's never come across as particularly trustworthy anyway, has she? A bit too obsessed with the end to worry about the means, IYKWIM.

Yes, the 'Swedish' yachtsman is who I discovered was playing 'GM'. I was right, it did spoil it for me a little, because I instantly knew he was the perp/kidnapper, and was practically yelling at the screen for Robert to figure it out. LAD GOOGLE VAERE. It can't be undone sad

skandi1 Sun 09-Dec-12 15:53:40

Smeg. Nothing you have missed re Benjamin. The circumstances are being kept vague for the viewer for now. As I think Brix said last night that officially Benjamin's death was classed as an accident but there was speculation it was suicide. Nothing on that front has been lost in translation.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sun 09-Dec-12 15:59:04

Didn't they say Benjamin had stepped in front of a train?

RedcupsforChristmas Mon 10-Dec-12 07:03:16

Finally caught up last night, gosh dodgy dodgy and they keep throwing red herrings at us....thought of something deep and clever to add earlier but feeding DD and brain not in gear...

ClaraDeLaNoche Mon 10-Dec-12 21:53:00

Caught up. So Karen was seen speaking to Zeelander- big hairy deal. She's the PM's advisor for god sake. Mark is still a waste of space, he better have a good excuse. Felt so sorry for the brittle, broken and beautiful Mrs Borch. They are a lovely l

ClaraDeLaNoche Mon 10-Dec-12 21:54:09

Gah! A lovely looking lot.

ClaraDeLaNoche Mon 10-Dec-12 21:55:52

Slandi do you look like a supermodel as well?

skandi1 Mon 10-Dec-12 22:58:07

Haha. Sadly not. Got the height for it but that's about all grin

I kept saying to dh that they never made it clear if Benjamin was dead or not but I'm second guessing myself now.

I'm not sure it's The PA guy either. He may be another red herring.

Please could someone explain why Karen meeting a Zeeland person is such a big deal? I the govournment was all for smoozing them? That bit's gone over my head.

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 11-Dec-12 13:54:39

Skandi you may not be a model by Danish standards but in the UK you are probably schwing.

Yes TheOne the PA guy is a bit obvious isn't he?

Poor Mark, imagine when he got the call "Ja, you are going to be in Forbrydelson 3". So he goes out and buys a new skateboard. Then he gets the script...

GingersarealwaysToms Tue 11-Dec-12 15:57:06

Caught up with eps 7&8 last night .... ooooh, how said I feel at having missed first 2 series, and reading spoiler in stupid article in The Grauniad.

Reinhardt's motive in being Louise's killer is that he's a perv? But is he also involved as killer 2? Does he have something to gain at Zeeland by Robert unravelling? (He was very cold when Robert was ripping up the painting and smashing the place up, this was a really big pointy finger at him, imho.)

Is it possible Louise stumbled upon a secret somewhere regarding Zeeland and so had to be bumped off, Reinhardt & Karen were shagging and he asked for her help, Kamper's son was a witness & also had to be disposed of?

Is it no coincidence that Lund's son has gone awol?

Sort of agree about just what a Renaissance man killer 2 has to be to achieve (if that's the word) what he has, but it's a bit like the millennium trilogy. We have to allow a bit of artistic licence, no?

skandi1 Tue 11-Dec-12 16:05:14

Clara. If only could see... Haha.

I need to refrain from commenting on any part of it because I don't want to ruin it for you on Saturday. You have no idea. You will be left in a state of shock.

GingersarealwaysToms Tue 11-Dec-12 16:20:43

volcan I was lost as to Louise's Dad's strength of feeling but felt Saturday's eps explained a bit more. Louise's mum's landlady said that someone turned up and was surprised to hear of Louise's existence. So he goes to find his lost love, she's no longer with us BUT he does have a daughter, goes to find her and .......

skandi1 do they really tie up all the loose ends? If so it is beautifully plotted . Can't wait for Saturday night. smile

skandi1 Tue 11-Dec-12 16:49:31

Yes. All loose ends come together in a most unexpected way.

Oh it's so unfair!
<wails like an infant>

I'm going to see The Hobbit on Saturday night.

I have a sneaky suspicion that dh and I will be having a very late night as we're bound to watch it when we get home.

SminkoPinko Tue 11-Dec-12 19:43:08

Is it sad, skandi1? [worried]

skandi1 Tue 11-Dec-12 21:52:17

I will reveal nothing!!

As they say: "vaent og se"

ClaraDeLaNoche Tue 11-Dec-12 22:14:57

Vaent og se happy or vaent og se sad?

Smeggnog Tue 11-Dec-12 22:23:01

Um. Skandi I have a really bad feeling now. I've thought of my worst case scenarios and which one I would be most upset at. I won't say, but they all involve Lund, obviously.

I won't be able to watch it as it airs and I have visitors on Sunday as well, so will have to wait till Sunday evening till I watch it. Aargh!

AViewfromtheFridge Tue 11-Dec-12 22:23:51

Clara, I love "Zeelander"!

Is it terrible to hope that DH's cold manflu gets worse so that we can cancel our night out and stay in and watch it? wink

ClaraDeLaNoche Wed 12-Dec-12 19:24:40

Would you sacrifice Sarah for Emilie? Hate to say it but I think that's the ending. Also what about Zoolander hooking up with ex wife,very sad. I can see why she wants to but it's not going to bring her back. Sob.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Wed 12-Dec-12 19:32:28

Would you sacrifice Sarah for Mark? For Mark and Eva's baby? For Borch?

<head explodes>.

crunchbag Wed 12-Dec-12 21:17:39

Any ideas for Danish snacks for the finale?

ClaraDeLaNoche Wed 12-Dec-12 21:37:27

Danish pastry from M and S. No fish allowed in the living room.

Bl

ClaraDeLaNoche Wed 12-Dec-12 21:40:58

Fecking iPhone! Blooming DH doesn't watch it and I am out on Fri night so can't really sod off for another night as he works away all week. I fear I may be watching some other shite on National Geographic. My heart will be in Denmark.

ClaraDeLaNoche Thu 13-Dec-12 15:44:24

Where is everybody had the kidnapper got you?

Just taken call from DMIL who told me she has got me the DVD I asked her for Christmas, Kevin Bridges. Only problem is I asked her for The Bridge. Fail.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Thu 13-Dec-12 17:43:31

Tiny bit apprehensive someone will blurt out spoilers (peeks through fingers).

Bad luck about the DVD!

MooMinCow Fri 14-Dec-12 16:04:25

Haha something a bit light hearted about Lund here

Brilliant thanks MooMinCow. grin

MooMinCow Fri 14-Dec-12 16:16:15

You're welcome TheOne. Am gutted I have to miss tomorrow's episodes as have a night out, so will be sitting on my hands, not Googling or on this thread until I catch up on Iplayer confused

Damn all these Xmas socials!

Me too. In fact I think a few on here are out tomorrow.

Dh will make me watch it when we get in though so it'll be a very late night. Good job the dcs are at my in-law's for the night.

I think all us Sunday watchers should start a separate thread. I'll be hiding this one till I've seen it, just in case I see a spoiler.

SminkoPinko Sat 15-Dec-12 07:31:23

Can't wait till tonight!

Sassyfrassy Sat 15-Dec-12 10:41:31

The Swedish sailor spoke proper swedish, but the accent was wrong. He sounded like he was from further up north, not from the part of Sweden that is close to Denmark.

Smeggnog Sat 15-Dec-12 13:16:52

Nah, I reckon it will be Lund doing something that's way outside the scope of the law. Don't think she'll die, but if she thinks the perpetrator won't be properly punished I think she's very likely to take the law into her own hands. And that will be it for Lund sad

Smeggnog Sat 15-Dec-12 13:18:46

And yes, will be avoiding this thread now till tomorrow. Going to a friend's for Christmas celebration, and he's more a Strictly/reality-tv type. At least DD1 will enjoy it, even if I sit there with a face on like the Grinch.

Zwitterion Sat 15-Dec-12 16:05:24

I am so looking forward to tonight.

Got my Danish themed food all sorted and we're knitweared up. I may be taking this too far!

Just need children to cooperate with bedtimes,

LaVolcan Sat 15-Dec-12 20:04:59

Went out for daughter's birthday, but were excused and allowed to come back home for the finale.

Did they tell us which part of Sweden the sailor was supposed to come from?

Nigellacakes Sat 15-Dec-12 20:44:31

So blinking excited can hardly contain myself. Claradelnoche- you are funny.grin

ClaraDeLaNoche Sat 15-Dec-12 20:48:37

God speed everyone. Enjoy the show. I am catching up on Monday night. Feeling nervous for you all.

GalaxyDisaStar Sat 15-Dec-12 21:01:02

So exciting...

skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:01:46

Mulled wine- check. Pebernoeder-check. DC and DH in bed-check. Ready for it <rubs hands together >wink

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 21:04:29

Hej everyone <waves>
<chinks glasses>
<sniffles a little bit>
let's hope it's a good 'un!

Nigellacakes Sat 15-Dec-12 21:04:41

Fuck me the skybox just died

skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:22:23

Teejwood. Enjoy!grin

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 21:23:44

Anyone else think Emilie's somewhere in the harbour and not on a ship?

MousyMouse Sat 15-Dec-12 21:24:42

I have the bad feeling that it will not end well.
out with a big bang?

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 21:37:10

ohhhh it's the music!!! big reveal time grin

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MousyMouse Sat 15-Dec-12 22:01:20

happy for eva + mark, hope it lasts...

oh, borgen preview.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 22:01:46

Re Emilie - they can't just pinch the ending of another scandi-crime drama, though. That would be lazy.
<overthinks this stuff>

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 22:06:40

the way they are saying the notebook isn't important - it obvs IS
zeuthen will kill lund, won't he. when she is trying to protect Louise's dad. she won't get to see the baby tomorrow.
sad
<sniff>
<hopes for different outcome>

skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 22:10:20

It's far more shocking than you can imagine!

peggyblackett Sat 15-Dec-12 22:10:24

Thank God Borgen is back, it will help me get over my end of TK3 sadness.

Yep, have the feeling that all will not be well for our Sarah sad

peggyblackett Sat 15-Dec-12 22:11:10

More shocking than the end of The Bridge shock?

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teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 22:48:17

OMG. Kristian really would drop anyone.

skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 22:54:53

Are we reeling yet?

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skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 23:01:46

It cannot be the last series. It just cannot!!!! Besides the first two were 20 episodes or so. This one was only 10. Hmmm.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:01:52

OMG. Feel quite conflicted about the ending. Is that a Sarah way of doing things? Only if we assume that she does what he suggests. <gulp>
shock

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:02:42

oh x-post schmaltz

skandi are you feeling a spin-off coming on wink?

GalaxyDisaStar Sat 15-Dec-12 23:02:47

Blooooody Hell!

I knew they wouldn't give anyone a happy ending. Mind you, door open for series 4!

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:04:13

very like series 1, though, in that so many are corrupted/ compromise on their values and the female political adviser who turns out to be the straightest one among them ends up being shafted!

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:04:14

The ending was brilliant and frustrating in equal measure. She's not going to sniff her granddaughter's head is she?

MousyMouse Sat 15-Dec-12 23:04:56

borch would be a good lead for a next series.
he has everything: impulsive, nothing by the book, doesn't get on with his superiors...

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:05:03

was glad they got Emilie back, though.

MousyMouse Sat 15-Dec-12 23:05:44

but so glad that emilie was found. good for asbjørn.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:06:19

I would watch a Borch series <cough>
blush

Smugmum you just made me sniffle as I know you are right but I was trying to go lalalalalalalalalal not thinking about it <sniff>

skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 23:07:16

Not sure. They made such a massive song and dance about this being the absolute last series long before it was even shown and then the "final" series is half as long as the other two and there isn't an ending as such. The main character has legged it abroad via Iceland on an assumed police iD to investigate a peadophile and the other Zeeland board member who had that exchange with Zeuthen at the end, is he more involved? Why would he care to cover for a killer colleague? Perhaps it's a peadophile ring and Lund is going to investigate again in a 4th series.

Anyway wishful thinking.

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:08:49

Sorry. But I guess we'll never know, which is why it's brilliant. I love Borch and he and Sarah would have been great together. She could have proven Reinhardt's guilt. Why is she so bloody impulsive??

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:09:05

A 'tec who is herself effectively on the run would be a good premise, though. Kind of Bourne-lite without all the testosterone.

MousyMouse Sat 15-Dec-12 23:09:10

series 2 was also only 10 episodes.

SminkoPinko Sat 15-Dec-12 23:10:15

wow.

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:10:37

Very wishful.

It was just so tense. I think I actually forgot to breathe at certain points.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:11:54

She made a promise to Loke, though, didn't she? And he was just rubbing it in. She knew he would never be brought to justice. The wife knew (or suspected) more than she was letting on - the way they showed her fiddling with her ring in the interview room....

skandi1 Sat 15-Dec-12 23:12:25

Mousey. Was it? I could have sworn it was 20? Oh well that's my lovely theory out the window. smile

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:13:55

Reinhardt had some brass neck. He was so cold knowing that finding Emilie was dependent on his being found out. Really chilling.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:14:17

Agree mousy - we've been short-changed! Not enough episodes of the Killing. I think we should complain and demand more. Maybe with Borch too, we'll let him stay.
AND - her partner lived. Let's give out a whoop for Lund managing to keep her partners alive for this one!
blush

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:17:10

Reinhardt really made me shudder too, smugmum - he cared not one shite about Emilie.
Why couldn't they all just have pretended he committed suicide after the stress of the whole thing? Zeuthen given what he knows now would not care.

ProphetOfDoom Sat 15-Dec-12 23:20:52

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sat 15-Dec-12 23:21:41

Wow! So tense we were on the edge of our seats for much of it.

LaVolcan Sat 15-Dec-12 23:22:22

Well!

Hope we could have another series with Borch, Juncker and Brix, but can't see it happening. Oh and Troels Hartmann too.

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:24:21

Yes Schmaltzing! I shouted at the telly ' Don't they have sodding electricity in Denmark?' Everything in semi-darkness.

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:25:34

And the stoical Brix was greatly underused this series. He mostly stood gazing into the middle distance with a mobile stuck to his ear.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:26:03

Ha! Know what you mean about cellars, schmaltzing!

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:30:57

LaVolcan your line up almost sounds like an invitation for some fanfic grin

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:31:46

Just casually looking at Easyjet flights to Copenhagen next Easter! Very cheap and they fly from Manchester.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:32:01

So is it Borgen 2 next?

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:33:13

smugmum didn't you go last year? Or was that just our collective scandi-trip planning on the thread?

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:33:34

Yep. 4th January I think. I hope her faithless ex makes an appearance. wink

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:35:14

Oh yes, smug <thud>
I still have a soft spot for him in spite of his general gittishness in both TKII and Borgen I
Tak for the heads up on the broadcast date btw

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:35:21

Oh I was there in spirit teej! We ended up in Istanbul instead visiting an old friend. DH quite keen this time round. I'm quite excited and I haven't even booked anything yet.

teejwood Sat 15-Dec-12 23:39:52

Istanbul sounds fab, though. And you never know, there may have been an ex-Danish cop there, investigating all sorts of awfulness in buildings without any lights <still holding out for that spin-off series, d'ya hear us, TK writers/producers????>
Copenhagen would be good, though. DS really wants to go to Denmark to visit Legoland and he'll soon be too big and lose interest. I need to strike while the iron's still hot grin

smugmumofboys Sat 15-Dec-12 23:41:17

grin Istanbul is ace.

skandi1 Sun 16-Dec-12 00:01:20

Smug. They do have electricity but they all prefer this low lighting thing. It's called "hygge". No direct translation but it means a combination of cosiness, comfort, togetherness and joy all rolled into one word. And yes low lighting/candle light is a must.

smugmumofboys Sun 16-Dec-12 00:03:25

When can I move there? I need to get myself some hygge. At 44 low level lighting is a necessity!

skandi1 Sun 16-Dec-12 00:08:33

grin Smug. Until you do manage to move there you may have to make do with creating your own hygge.
Turn off your lights and get your candles on. And stock up on Danish food and snacks from The Scandi Kitchen. Here: www.scandikitchen.co.uk/shop

Spend a week in Denmark outside of Copenhagen in the provinces and it will soon cure you of wanting hygge.

smugmumofboys Sun 16-Dec-12 00:10:10

I think I must have been a Dane in a previous life as I have a thing for candles and lamps. So much more flattering.

GingersarealwaysToms Sun 16-Dec-12 00:10:32

Ooooh, hopes you don't mind me joining you, watched it 15 mins late all the way through. Sorry to be blood-thirsty but just so glad she killed him. He couldn't be allowed to get away with it. Beautiful scene between Borch & Sarah, brilliantly acted. Agree with whoever said other board guy at Zeeland may have been involved.

GingersarealwaysToms Sun 16-Dec-12 00:12:37

Has anyone heard anything about this Iranian drama starting tomorrow night? Am feeling withdrawal symptoms already.

LaVolcan Sun 16-Dec-12 00:23:18

Lund did exasperate me though. In the first series I kept telling her to read the files but she didn't listen. This time I told her to check the Medea again, but she was too busy blundering around in the dark with the torch to be bothered to take on board what I was saying!

Another vote for Istanbul here (as well as Copenhagen of course.)

GingersarealwaysToms Sun 16-Dec-12 00:36:10

LaVolcan hello! are you still up? Don't know what special brand of magic it is I bring but I seem to be able to kill threads in seconds. Whenever I rear my feline head people run away.

GingersarealwaysToms Sun 16-Dec-12 00:46:34

Yep. Done it again

<sniffs>

LaVolcan Sun 16-Dec-12 01:16:20

You haven't! But I am going to bed now - will continue with the post mortem tomorrow. Are gingers always toms? My ginger cat was.

Zwitterion Sun 16-Dec-12 09:02:04

It was a blinder. Loved it.

Those last scenes....goodness.

I want more!

Matsikula Sun 16-Dec-12 10:35:36

Excuse me butting in, but I just had to share my devastation that it is all over.

What an ending! My pulse was racing all through those scenes in Norway, and they were so beautifully shot too.

I knew it wasn't going to end well for Lund, but I never guessed this would happen. I think I would have preferred it if she'd died, and I was convinced Reinhardt was going to run her over when she got out of that car.

Sadly, I thought the ending proves how perfect Borch is for her. Instead if being mad that she has ruined their lives, she knows the only thing that matters to her is to try to prove he was guilty. Can't see how that is going to happen, and presumably he knows he is going to end up in prison too. Went to bed last night having to remind myself that Lund is not real, and then dreamt of a Troels-funded campaign to exonerate her.

I think I need a break from Nordic noir, but which do you all prefer - the Bridge or Borgen?

LaVolcan Sun 16-Dec-12 10:58:02

Personally I would prefer The Bridge but that's because I prefer police stories rather than politics. For a break from Nordic noir the sunny Sicily of Montalbano is the perfect change.

Could someone clarify (before I go to iplayer to see it all again) - I don't think Reinhardt actually did admit to the crime - he didn't deny it, but was going on about not being brought to justice. So Lund was mistaken when she told Borch that he had admitted it?

JuliaFlyte Sun 16-Dec-12 11:09:16

I couldn't sleep last night after watching it. I knew it wouldn't happen but I so wanted Lund to live happily ever after sad

LaVolcan Sun 16-Dec-12 12:11:51

And no more jumpers! sad I think I liked the blue one best.

crunchbag Sun 16-Dec-12 13:49:03

Wow what an ending, DH and I were left speechless, for helvede Lund shock.
Can understand why she did it.

Two great hours of tv.
Absolutely loved this series but just turn on the lights!

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Sun 16-Dec-12 14:30:42

Think the tipping point was when he told her he'd bear in mind her strong characteristics, diligence and orderliness, how she'd taught him a lot. He never turned a hair as she spoke once alone in the car with him, didn't deny or protest his innocence.

Thinking how she'd protected him from Louise's father, how close Emilie had come to dying as he'd kept silent, how he'd evaded capture by cover-ups and how he'd stay free to kill again, I think she weighed it up and saw that he'd no remorse and she had the means to stop him. Congratulating Lund on a new baby granddaughter who in 13 years time would attract a creep like him was hideous.

If in the mood for crime thriller, I'd pick The Bridge.
I am looking forward to Borgen 2, don't get me wrong.

GingersarealwaysToms Sun 16-Dec-12 15:20:31

LaVolcan Yes I believe they are. Similarly tortoiseshells are nearly always queens. Yes you're right Donkeys. I was willing her to do it. I think the film made an important point in that paedophiles are more likely to get away with their crime if they are well and/or successful. I thought more of her for doing it; it was more noble but of course devastating for her own life.

It was very clever though, the tension was maintained throughout because every time Reinhardt was in a scene involving the kidnapper I was a practically shouting at the screen "fess up, come on, fess up and save Emilie's life!"

crunchbag Sun 16-Dec-12 19:32:26

He wouldn't have fessed up, he didn't care about Emilie, just as he didn't care about Louise, or anyone for that matter.
He knew he was safe and protected.
Even Mogens showed his true colours when he said something like who cares about an orphan girl..

Poor Lund, just as it looked like she had found some happiness; new granddaughter, Mark back and thinking of building an extension with Borch.

vjg13 Sun 16-Dec-12 20:50:57

I'm sure she and Borch could have covered it up as a suicide if only they had gone to the trouble wink. I think Zeuthen was coming round to the truth too.

Heroine Sun 16-Dec-12 20:58:27

Not at all! The tipping point was when he said'new addition to the family' and all Lund could picture was someone, even him targeting her grandchildren. I think his comment was taken as a cold threat and exposed to Lund his utter psychopathy, so she didn't feel he was human anymore...

diddl Sun 16-Dec-12 22:05:36

I was quite disappointed how they all gave in & accepted that nothing could be done.

Even Lund, by killing him.

Oh my god! Just finished it.

Going to catch up with this thread in the morning when I've processed my thoughts. shock

I agree that she wanted justice but part of me thinks it was an attempt to run away from her own life too.

A new baby, a new life with Borch means letting people in and she couldn't hack it.

Cynical I know but it was the perfect out for her.

Glad it wasn't just me wondering why there were no lights.

diddl Mon 17-Dec-12 07:23:26

I thought the whole Borch thing was ridiculous tbh.

And when he kept calling her "darling" at the end-wtaf??

So, she let her son down again!

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Mon 17-Dec-12 09:02:11

Mark would eventually tire of Lund being doting granny anyway...

PM didn't exactly shine at the end did he?

diddl Mon 17-Dec-12 09:06:55

Would the pic have held up in court or would it all have been circumstantial?

I don´t think that any of them came off well, tbh.

I wasn´t expecting a happy ending-think I would rather Lund have die than be a fugitive murderer.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Mon 17-Dec-12 11:14:03

I doubt it would even reach court what with Zeeland lawyers and having the public prosecutor taking orders from the Justice Minister, answerable to Kristian ie all in each other's pocket.

DonkeysInTheStableAtMidnight Mon 17-Dec-12 11:16:01

Clever though if "no more Lund" meant no more Sarah Lund of the Copenhagen force but she lives under an alias to fight another day.

DistantShip Mon 17-Dec-12 13:01:34

Donkeys, what a great premise! A sort of Nordic reboot of the old Equalizer!

I too didn't sleep after a 4 episode binge ended at midnight last night.

She has a few fresh excuses not to interact with others, and I too saw the ending as an escape for her.

SugaricePlumFairy Mon 17-Dec-12 13:58:43

Nooooooooooooo! what a shite ending. shock

I like my endings settled and happy, not on a bloody plane to Iceland.

I don't believe she would have lost control of herself like that.

This cannot be the end. < sob!>

MooMinCow Mon 17-Dec-12 17:00:22

Some more light hearted relief here smile

(Gutted its all over and only one Homeland left to go. My weekends won't be the same hmm)

frankinsensible Mon 17-Dec-12 17:35:32

Thanks MooMin! First time i've laffed since around 11pm saturday night when I realised that, yet again (watched killing 1 as well) I had been conned into watching such a load of old cod. 10 hours of my life! And that's not including all the hours I spent wondering and ruminating about the possible suspects and motivations. Never never again.

carabos Mon 17-Dec-12 18:29:18

Lund and Borsch should have got Zeuthen involved to cover up sort out the death of Reinhardt. If he was told that R was the killer of Louise which had resulted in Emilie being kidnapped he would have made it go away.

You can do that sort of thing when you're a billionaire wink.

Matsikula Mon 17-Dec-12 18:41:23

Why was the Borch thing ridiculous Diddl?

He's obsessive and impulsive - a perfect fit! And real life cops have a v high divorce rate, especially those who do undercover and detective work. Clearly all those hours spent in parked cars do something to the libido.

diddl Mon 17-Dec-12 19:13:57

It was all the lovey dovey "darling" near the end.

Matsikula Mon 17-Dec-12 20:51:56

Ah, I quite liked that, the ending was kind of transcendent and weird, theatrical language, going up in the clouds. It fitted, for me. Though I suspect the subtitles are very poorly translated, so maybe the tone was a bit different in Danish.

diddl Mon 17-Dec-12 20:59:37

I can see how they were suited.

I think it just seemed improbable her shooting Nielson.

I guess it was a way of ending her career without killing her!

ClaraDeLaNoche Mon 17-Dec-12 22:39:56

Loved it but the Lund I know and love would never have lost control like that. One sniff of happiness and she's away. There are too many baddies in Denmark, it is a rotten state.

Goodbye my friends and taks. Not watching Borgen as I missed the first series. I miss all things Danish.

diddl Tue 18-Dec-12 07:36:30

I actually thought that she would shoot herself rather than go on the run.

All that-come "back when you´ve cleared your name"-that could only happen with Zeuthan on board, couldn´t it?

mummytime Tue 18-Dec-12 09:21:29

I don't think she did lose control. I think she just thought; no one else was going to stop him, and she wanted to do something right for children. So to protect them she shot him. She felt she had been a bad mother to Mark, but he seemed to be coming right. So she just did what had to be done.

Reuthen was initially going to sort it out, but then the director of security (?) made it clear to him that he wanted the compnay, and the money and power that came from it, and wouldn't really do anything to threaten it. Zeuthen isn't even leaving the company as Maja wanted or even having a long holiday, just a weekend away.

Lund was different because she was uncorruptible, so the only one who would do the "right" thing.

CaptainNancy Thu 20-Dec-12 00:00:18

I agree mummytime- Reinhardt would never have been brought to justice, not that any punishment atones for what he had done, so Lund took the only action she could to prevent him doing it again. He even said to her that she'd taught him how not to get caught in future. Grim.

I think I like Borgen best, mainly because there's no killing involved! But The Bridge is v close second, because I love Saga! (and the music at the end!)

LaVolcan Thu 20-Dec-12 12:24:41

I found the music to The Bridge a little irritating.

Now that for The Killing really set the series off and enhanced the programmes. You could be engrossed in the action and then the music began to start up adding to the dramatic tension. The closing music at the end: superb.

I've avoided reading any of the messages here in case I read something that will give it away. I've just watched season 1 on Netflix back to back while I've been in my sickbed but Netflix don't have season 2. Does anyone know anywhere online I can find it? I want to watch it tonight (still from my sickbed) and can't find it.

Thanks.

RedcupsforChristmas Wed 02-Jan-13 22:00:54

Just caught up, havent sat down since before xmas...siperb unpredictable mess of an ending! And leaves it open for season 4....( hopeful emotion)

Well now I just want to cry as there is nothing else to watch...(sobs into decaf tea...)

Redcups, Borgen 2 starts on Saturday!

VicarInaTutu Tue 08-Jan-13 21:51:59

i watched the finale tonight

agree with mummutime and i was shouting at the tv "shoot the bastard" and then when she did i was a bit
oh -oh.....

happiness was within her reach! bollocks!!!!!

i want another series. i demand it!

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