The Honourable Thread of Downton Abbey - The Third

(610 Posts)
Moln Fri 19-Oct-12 19:34:18

Who filled up the last thread? Hmm?

All I wanted to say was Jonathan Rhys Meyers?

No!! I don't like him and he's a pants actor.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 19-Oct-12 19:38:07

So I read that Guardian article linked to, interesting that one of the rumours is that Dan Stevens might be orf. He's just about to open a play on Broadway, think he's a proper Act-Or, so he may not wish to be typecast as wet rag Matty?

Moln Fri 19-Oct-12 20:05:37

Maybe he'll run off with Pickles? Or possible Bates. I can't decide.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 19-Oct-12 20:27:08

OOh, maybe Bates will murder hm with a poisoned breakfast? Poor spinster Edith and Lord 6 will be under suspicion, as all the other Upstairs people will be breakfasting in bed.

Moln Fri 19-Oct-12 21:28:50

Oooh yes. And the investigating officer would be very good looking.

Carson would leap into action to prise the poisoned breakfast away in the nick of time, like he did when Branson tried to hide whatever it was under the tureen that time.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Fri 19-Oct-12 23:59:31

Just speculating on future series.....Downton Abbey Safari Park? Guided tours of the house with permission to see the lewd paintings done by Lady Edith of her lesbian wifelets. Theme park with the Lord 6 roller coaster?

Moln Sat 20-Oct-12 20:26:19

Wifelets. He he.

Just seen a trailer for it. Just over 24 hours and we might start to see any signs of the Bates/Pickles/Matthew love triangle

Saltire Sat 20-Oct-12 23:08:48

"Just over 24 hours and we might start to see any signs of the Bates/Pickles/Matthew love triangle"

I don't care what we see as long as it's not Bates festerin in the feckin jail again.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 21-Oct-12 11:11:14

10 hours........

MrsjREwing Sun 21-Oct-12 11:12:15

marking my place.

Animation Sun 21-Oct-12 11:15:22

Oops just seen this thread - I started another - blush

Anyway I watched Sunday's episode. That scene on the bed with them all stood around poor Sybil was just so bizarre and haunting. It was Cora's reactions to Sybil that had me in tears, and then when she was alone with her - "my baby" Bloody hell - some good acting!

The Bates story line bores me now, and glad we didn't stop to hear Anna go through everything she knew again! The suicide/ poisoning theory is a weak one anyway - that she killed herself so that it looked like he did it and then he'd go to prison and that would be her revenge. No.

I can see Matthew and Pickles running off together. Or turfing the aristos out of Downton to run the place properly as Middle and Lower Class men!

I would watch the shit out of the show if Edith does become a be-monocled lesbian.

vjg13 Sun 21-Oct-12 11:50:41

There's no shortage of food at the prison, Bates looks really chunky now!

Animation Sun 21-Oct-12 14:28:30

Also - this bloody Dr Philips guy - hope he gets struck off! More likely he will have disappeared from Downton - another one of those one episode characters.

awbless Sun 21-Oct-12 20:05:29

The Bates Prison Carry On is so tedious. Leave him in there and forget about him or put him back the House, one or the other but we've had enough.

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 20:31:09

Don't mind the Bates stuff myself. Though saying that it's not like I hope it's going to feature!

30 mins to go (had slight panic TV wasn't working earlier!)

MrsjREwing Sun 21-Oct-12 20:47:12

Bates needs to get back to Downton, what will Thomas do with himself then?

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:29:48

Oops here you all are!

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 21:35:44

I'd like to see Daisy set herself up

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 21:36:53

with her own business (not sure why I hit post message before I finished the sentance!)

Chubfuddler Sun 21-Oct-12 21:38:04

Loving this episode too much to post now. Will catch up.

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:38:36

I wonder what lord fatty will think about Daisy running a farm. Be reactionarily outraged I imagine.

visualarts Sun 21-Oct-12 21:39:20

Who is the rich farmer? Is he the late William's father, or someone else entirely?

Well done Branson - I'll not be parted from her. (or was it separated?)

visualarts Sun 21-Oct-12 21:40:44

Go on Matthew, you tell him.

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:40:52

He's Daisy's fil. Dead wulliam's daddy.

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:41:31

Ooh I don't think it's you either Tom

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:41:53


ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:45:02

This is it...bates is gonna get deaded

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:46:55


ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 21:47:41

LadyMary does an excellent line in strict voice of reason. I luffs her.

ILoveOnionRings Sun 21-Oct-12 21:49:45

'I suppose she has an appropriate costume for every activity' classic line again from the Dowager as well as not leaving and missing a good pudding.

Only 2 episodes left of this series. Please God get Bates out of prison, in so bored of it.

Chubfuddler Sun 21-Oct-12 21:52:51

Bloody big newborn baby.

NigellasGhost Sun 21-Oct-12 21:56:40

I never allow my servants to approach me on the lawn shock

Carson seems increasingly like a dinosaur.

ErikNorseman Sun 21-Oct-12 22:05:01

Shed a wee tear at Cora weeping in fatty's arms
Glad to see the bates story is done, disappointed he didn't get shanked in the nick
Feeling dreadful for Thomas - I think he'll be really fucked (not in the good way) when he tries it on with jimmy. He will get the sack at best, prison at worst. Uh oh.

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 22:05:13

Loving the way all the 'big men' are hating not being obey. Women's lib is a terrible thing for them eh!

visualarts Sun 21-Oct-12 22:07:34

Yes chub I was thinking she was vast for a newborn. She can only be about 12 days old, surely? looked about 6 months.
Anyone else sneakingly agree with Lord G that maybe it would be better for baby not to be called Sybil - maybe just as her middle name would be best? (And yes I know he's been wrong about everything else and Dreadful about Ethel, but on that, I think he might have a point).

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 22:09:23

Something horrible is going to happen to Thomas isn't it. He's downgraded (to what?) and he'll make a fool of himself with Jimmy and then more than likely get put in prison for being homosexual.

Sad for him - never used to like him but he seems nicer this series (maybe because he's in love and getting to see him being emotinal re Sybil)

Chubfuddler Sun 21-Oct-12 22:11:23

Only two episodes left? That's not possible. Aren't they ten episode series?

Brilliant the way both Carson and fatty bum bum are losing control. Dowager classic lines about outfits and pudding.

Poor Cora and fatty, and dowager looking away. Clarkson was right, a c section was her only chance but it was v v risky. Poor Sybil was doomed.

legoballoon Sun 21-Oct-12 22:12:22

That baby was rather large for a newborn. Must have weaned her directly onto Mrs Padmore's foie gras.

A shame that the "Next Week" flash-forwards included Bates being greeted back at Downton - we thought he might come a cropper in his last few weeks behind bars.

Thought that American-can't-remember-her-name-but-plays-Lady-G was very good in tonight's episode. The scene where Dr Clarkson talked about Sybil's chances of survival being so slight, she looked veritably ripped apart. Cried buckets here.

Chubfuddler Sun 21-Oct-12 22:15:14

I liked matthew and Mary's anguished talking in bed.

They do keep lowering near pickle and little Sybil though, like baby snatchers in waiting.

Animation Sun 21-Oct-12 22:15:27

Real girl power - this episode!

Carson and Fatty were not obeyed.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 21-Oct-12 22:15:51

Oooh that was good.
Dowager had loads of good lines this week hurrah.
Yes nervous for Thomas. Carson and Lord 6 are both dinosaurs. Obviously as has already been said Branson and Matthew should run the estate together.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 21-Oct-12 22:18:45

Perhaps Bates will have developed a taste for man to man lurve in prison and he and Thomas will share more than duties!!

BlueMoon1084 Sun 21-Oct-12 22:21:54

Just about to catch up on itv player. Is this weeks episode safe Sunday night viewing or am I going to end up traumatised again?

ijustwanttobeme Sun 21-Oct-12 22:22:25

Loved the appropriate costume line too . Maggie Smith gets all the best lines.

Can someone advise re: Cora in bed scene. What did she have on her lap? I know it wasn't but it looked to me like an iPad !

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 21-Oct-12 22:23:14

Am watching on +1, as per, due to prior engagement with Homeland

Am marking my prediction that Mrs Patmore will be revealed as the new kitchen maid's mother. Ethel saying to Mrs P "You wouldn't judge me".
New Kitchen Maid's staring at Mrs P., and saying "A cat can look at a king..."

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 22:23:23

Branson in the farm seems the most convienent solution. Thoung will Lord FBB allow a evil Catholic work a farm, what if the sheep became 'left footers'. Everyone would die!

visualarts Sun 21-Oct-12 22:24:08

Yes, there is a sort of times they are a changing feel to this series - Ivy much less deferential than the older servants were, Daisy about to become a multi-millionaire business woman etc.

Yes it looks as though Sybil didn't have much of a chance - even if the c section had worked she could have got an infection. She might have been a bit better off if she'd been in the USA, where (I have just read on the internet) magnesium sulphate was being used for much of the 20th C to try to prevent convulsions following pre eclampsia. Don't know if that includes the early 1920s though!

Moln Sun 21-Oct-12 22:25:55

No you won't b e traumatised BlueMoon

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 21-Oct-12 22:28:57

Cried most of the way through that one again blush

Did anyone else think Cora looked like she had an iPad in bed with her right at the beginning when she was telling Lord G to stay on the dressing room?!

The baby was humongous.

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 21-Oct-12 22:30:10

Ah, x-posts about the iPad grin

QuickLookBusy Sun 21-Oct-12 22:30:23

Ijustwant, DD and I thought she had an IPad too but it was a book.

I love Dame Maggie.

Very sad this week again, Cora is playing the part very well.

anonacfr Sun 21-Oct-12 22:40:38

I kept thinking Cora was clutching a Kindle!

Can I just say the whole Bates storyline has sickened me. After all this shit he's coming out of jail? Two minutes ago the were going to hang him and now they're letting him on the most random circumstantial evidence? The whole thing is laughable.
I take it we're all meant to think it's all wonderful and romantic but it's making me want to stop watching the whole show.
I'm also concerned about the Thomas storyline. It's looking ominously sordid.

Ironically after hating Pickles the whole of the second season I thought he was the most touching today. His reaction when Mary told him about Sybil wanting the baby to be Catholic was lovely, as well as the not wanting to be separated from his daughter. When stupid Lord 6 misunderstood Matthew and went on his tirade he was amazingly calm and restrained. Sybil would have been proud!

I now like all the characters who used to annoy me- Edith, Cora, Isabel and Pickles. Mrs Patmore is also rather cool!

Mollydoggerson Sun 21-Oct-12 22:50:36

Why couldn't I find this thread earlier. All has been said, I think.

TheDeathAndGlories Sun 21-Oct-12 23:16:49

My liking of Cora was clinched with the pudding comment when lord 6 was being an arse

Lua Sun 21-Oct-12 23:21:26

So, does Jimmy fancy Daisy?
He seem to be portrayed as a sensible young man this episode, am wondering if Daisy will realize what a big child bean pole is, and run away with Jimmy to run the farm?

I tought the scene with M&M holding the baby was a bit creepy.... looks like they are being given the baby ISWIM.... Perhaps they were trying on the Godparents glove.

I agree that the whole Mr. Bates tory line in prison never felt very believable. Hard to believe he is being released and all will end up well. But it ought to lead to a better storyline...

I tought lord G was again very unkind to the doctor , given he was there trying to save his marriage.

Saltire Sun 21-Oct-12 23:21:43

I think the acting from Elizabeth McGovern in the last 2 episodes has been fab. Getting a bit annoyed with Lord 6 now though, maybe he needs a wee spell in the jail...oh no better not write that in case JF is reading,cannot stand it if anyone else ends up in prison

Its not as if the Bates actor has had much to do, "right Bates, just walk round in a circle and bore the viewers shitless"... and "that it Bates, round and round good lad"

tribpot Sun 21-Oct-12 23:26:25

Ah, i see we have had competing threads running tonight.

My thoughts:

I see the Redemption Via the Dead Partner's Father theme continues ...


.. Glad there was no funeral, I think that would have been too much to bear.

But great lines for Dame Maggie again.

BlueMoon1084 Sun 21-Oct-12 23:39:04

Lua as far as I can make out it seems to be some sort of love pentagon with Thomas fancying Jimmy, who fancies Daisy, who fancies Alfred, who fancies Ivy.

Glad Bates is being released next episode. Not sure I could have taken several weeks of knowing he's going to be released but trying to work out if he's going to be killed before he actually gets released. Have had enough of the prison scenes now.

LineRunner Sun 21-Oct-12 23:55:38

I'll think you'll find that Lady Cora was in bed with the Book of Common Prayer. <po faced>

NerdAmigo Mon 22-Oct-12 07:15:32

I'm hoping Matthew will stage a coup.

ScorpionQueen Mon 22-Oct-12 09:04:19

This series started off a bit slow but I'm glad I stuck with it. It's been an emotional rollercoaster.
Did they have rollercoasters then?

The below stairs love pentangle is annoying me, it keeps drip dripping along but nothing ever actually happens. I'm glad Bates is out but only si that storyline is over, will he come back as valet?

I'm glad the women are all sticking together over the Ethel business also the Catholic baptism for the baby, Lord G needs to get with the 20th century.

Whitamakafullo Mon 22-Oct-12 09:29:35

My favourite line was when they were in the kitchen and the guy (I can't remember their names!) said that Jesus never ate with Mary Magdalene, but he let her wash his feet, and the Scottish one retorted with 'oh well, I'll let Ethel know she's in for a treat then' grin

Loving the feminism of last night's show

ppeatfruit Mon 22-Oct-12 10:21:42

yes i really enjoyed last night's great acting, a kick up the bum for the dinosaur males brilliant!! a good cry etc.

Chubfuddler Mon 22-Oct-12 10:25:35

The bit about the pudding was hilarious - v first series. Coras tone was brilliant. McGovern has really upped her game in the last few episodes.

ZZZenAgain Mon 22-Oct-12 11:03:51

I agree with you anon, I didn't like Cora, Edith or Isobel in the first series but they are all growing on me.

If William's dad is a reasonably well-off tenant farmer , owning his own tools, stock and with money in the bank, why was William's mother so keen for him to go into service? Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to stay on the farm and learn to run it with a view to taking it over one day? Or was being a servant a step up from being a farmer?

Animation Mon 22-Oct-12 11:25:15

"I'm also concerned about the Thomas storyline. It's looking ominously sordid"

Anon - I feel the same about that. Thomas just needs a bit of love in his life. The other guy (forget his name), needs to let him know he's not that way inclined without making a big deal about it.

Animation Mon 22-Oct-12 11:27:31

Yes, glad the 'master' got a big kick up the fatty bum bum!!

Chubfuddler Mon 22-Oct-12 11:33:42

Problem is animation homosexuality was a massive deal. And illegal. There is no way Thomas could say "I fancy you actually" and expect Jimmy to either say ooh yes please or sorry mate not that way inclined no hard feelings. That's why it's all manly squeezes on the shoulder and you're a lovely person nonsense.

I think obrien is going to encourage Thomas to make a pass and jimmy is going to beat up or even kill Thomas. Or perhaps Thomas will commit suicide.

I really feel for Thomas this series. He's about to lose his job as valet, he's genuinely upset about Sybil and he still hasn't found love.

Arithmeticulous Mon 22-Oct-12 11:38:44

The Dowager grabbing onto the mantelpiece for support as Cora sobbed sad

The size of that baby was obscene.

Bates needs a wash.

Animation Mon 22-Oct-12 11:46:41

Chub - think you could be right that O'brien will encourage Thomas! And blimey yes, he could commit suicide - I seem to remember he had a bit of a breakdown once before - in the shed. Not looking good.

I'm nervous.sad

Chubfuddler Mon 22-Oct-12 11:46:59

I thought the same thing zzzz but I think pre war there was a massive kudos in working as a senior servant at a great house (he was footman and hoped to be a valet and maybe even butler one day). . If anything there aren't enough servants to be realistic even for 1920. An earls housekeeper would probably have her own servants whose job was to wait on her.

bananaistheanswer Mon 22-Oct-12 11:57:50

I found Lord G's comments about the babygiant being a 'left footer' odd - more used to hearing that phrase from a gruff glaswegian bigot. Sounds just weird saying that in a posh accent.

I'm worried about Thomas, I know he's been a bastard more often than not but I really don't want him to be punished for being gay sad <crosses fingers that Jimmy secretly fancies him right back>

MrsjREwing Mon 22-Oct-12 12:59:03

I think like the prostitution storyline, we will learn what it was like back then for homosexuals.

I wasn't keen on Mary or Edith, they grown on me this series. All excellent actors.

Mollydoggerson Mon 22-Oct-12 13:17:33

Does anyone think Daisy's dead husband's father might actually fancy Daisy?

I don't think Jimmy fancies Daisy, I think he is just trying to protect her from falling for Albert when Albert will not reciprocate.

Maybe there might bee a servant's ball/dance coming up, there seems to be a lot of chat about dancing.

ZZZenAgain Mon 22-Oct-12 13:27:45

didn't sound right to me either banana. He has a lot of lines which seem really out of sync with his place and time.

Mrs Padmore knew already that Thomas was not one for the ladies, remember she said as much to Daisy in the first episode, so I presumed Carson would also know. Maybe with Bates coming back, they have to chop Thomas out or there would be too many footmen, since Bates will go back to being valet, what will Thomas do? Seems there is some weird thing going on between Daisy, Irish and the two footmen which has to run its course so neither of those footmen will leave.

He would go to prison for homosexuality and would have a bad time of it there. If he faced that, I suppose he might consider suicide but he is been good so far at getting back on his feet, seems more of a fighter. I think he would be more likely to do a bunk if he knew what was coming.

ZZZenAgain Mon 22-Oct-12 13:28:45

I did think that Molly, I thought exactly the same when he asked her to come and live with him and learn to run the farm.

He took the cowardly way out of the trenches though, did Thomas. They do need to resolve the servants love lives, it is all a bit messy. Daisy may become a bit more attractive once it's known that she stand to take over the farm.

They do need to get rid of a male servant but I don't want it to be Thomas, neither of the footmen has much personality, I'd be happy to see one of them go. However I don't see how they can develop Thomas' story. I doubt if Jimmy would give him away even if he did try it on properly as he would also be tainted by it. I also think that in terms of storyline persecution of a homosexual would seem like a repetition of the Ethel storyline and a backwards step when they are making so much of being progressive at the moment.

I like the way that Isobel is more one of the family now, all that rivalry with Cora back in WWI seemed a bit contrived. I also love the way the Dowager Countesss is turning out to be far more sensitive and progressive than her son.

Northernlurkerisbehindyouboo Mon 22-Oct-12 13:40:57

I agree Elizabeth Mcgovern has been fantastic.

Totally fed up with Bates though. I truly do not care whether he rots in jail or not as long as we don't have to see anymore of him.

Maybe he will return and horrify Anna by confessing after all.....

Chubfuddler Mon 22-Oct-12 13:54:25

Maybe he'll kill Anna. Or Thomas. Perhaps it could segue dusk till dawn style from period drama to slasher horror.

MamaMary Mon 22-Oct-12 14:06:58

Oh, I hope Daisy takes over the farm and becomes really wealthy. Will make all the mere servants jealous.

I've always liked Isabelle and I'm liking Edith a lot more this series. Agree that Cora's acting has improved.

Fed up with Bates, Mary and Matthew. Though Matthew's attempts to re-organise the estate might be interesting.

Much better episode, with more cracking acting.

Fatty is being a spoilt brat about the estate management. THIS PARTNERSHIP THING WAS YOUR IDEA, DICKWEED.

Dowager was funny about lying with Clarkson. We have had far too few scenes with just her and Fatty - her as a mother, rather than a MIL and matriarch IYSWIM. More please, she is far more interesting like this.

The Ethel lunch and Isabel being surprised by how good it was was funny too. I thought Fatty was going to assert himself more - it would have been interesting if he had involved Matthew, which logistically he should have tsk tsk. Would Matthew have agreed with Fatty and tried to give Mary orders, or would he have condoned his mother's ideas? He is a bit of a stick-in-the-mud, for all his modern farming ideas, and of course achingly middle-class, so I think realistically he would have been just as catsbum as Fatty. Opportunity missed.

I thought Daisy might become her own mother-in-law, yes. Good for her. Nice little tea shop for visiting DA staff. The thing about would DA be the same in forty years (1960s, ha!) was interesting too.

Now, forgive me if I am well off but didn't Fatty have some clandestine snogs with a maid in series one? The married/widowed one who left and was replaced by Ethel. I think he may actually be pissed off that he didn't get an opportunity to exercise his droit de seigneur and maybe she even tried to charge him shock because the look he gave her and the look she gave him ... Du lieber Gott!

Oh and obviously Tom is being set up to run the farm so baby Syb can be brought up under the grandparents' eye.

And thank fuck we have come to the end of the prison scenes. I'd like to point out that his conviction is unsafe and we don't have double jeopardy so he can't be retried until we find the incontrovertible evidence that Bates definitely dunnit.

Moln Mon 22-Oct-12 20:46:29

Mrs Padmore certainly knows that Thomas is homosexual. Don't think Carson does though - he'd be horrified. A homosexual valet never!!!! He's far too stuck in his ways to accept it. I wouldn't be surprised it the storyline will be bumped along by Carson's mighty disapproval of Thomas if he makes a move on Jimmy

Mrs Padmore is all knowing though - with her comment about everyone being in love with the wrong people.

Don't think Daisy will become her own mother in low. I do think that Daisy's Dead Husband's Father genuinely likes her as a daughter.

Animation Mon 22-Oct-12 20:58:24

Don't know if I'm reading it wrong but the dead husband's father seems a bit creepy to me - like he might try to kiss her.

I thought he was just lonely, Mr Mason that is. I love the idea that Daisy could move to the farm and become super farmer extrodanaire with own tea shop.

The tiny scene with M&M holding Sybil II bugged me. Was no point to it, aside a great big foreshadowing moment to say that they will have her and raise her angry

Feel a bit like Cora was cheated and I've loved her this series, the way she welcomed Tom for Sybil's sake and of course last episode.

ppeatfruit Tue 23-Oct-12 09:05:08

I had the idea that Daisy will actually fall for her FIL shock While they run the farm together.

ScorpionQueen Tue 23-Oct-12 09:37:04

I thought the scene with M&M holding the baby was to show how much they wanted to have one of their own.

Is it really nearly the end of the series? My Sunday nights will not be the same.

Chubfuddler Tue 23-Oct-12 11:05:24

I won't have suggestions mr mason has designs on daisy. He is an innocent plot device kindly sort who feels immense affection for a girl who made his son happy in his dying moments.

Merrin Tue 23-Oct-12 11:22:50

I think they are setting Daisy up to not get the farm and Wulliam's Dad said she would be 'sure' to get the tenancy. Then a bit later we find that Pickle has a farming background. Bit of wrangling over farms in the next series methinks.

SlanketySlank Tue 23-Oct-12 12:38:14

I agree with scorpion about the baby holding scene, Mary looked a bit emotional to me as she held the baby. I think it was supposed to show how much they wanted a baby of their own.
I can't really imagine Daisy with the farm...think Merrin may be right.
Lord G was annoying in this episode, really arrogant. I'm glad Bates is getting out of jail although I was rather hoping his cellmate would do him in as I'm a bit sick of him!
Thomas is going to leave I think, O'Brian is setting it all up. Lord G will find out he's gay and sack him or Jimmy'll go to the police or something.

StillIRise Tue 23-Oct-12 12:48:55

Poor poor Cora.

I think Pickle will get the run down farm and have sheep.

Bates will confess to anna once he is out.

M&M won't be able to have their own and are going to offer hard cash for giant baby sybil.

ppeatfruit Tue 23-Oct-12 13:15:59

Giant baby sybil grin

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Tue 23-Oct-12 13:17:13

grin giant baby Sybil.
Maybe Thomas is one of the actors who has got a film lined up? I would miss him though as agree the other two are not as strong.
Would like to see Daisy running her farm. Ivy can take her place in the kitchen. Feeling depressed by the return of Bates.

MoetEtPantsOn Tue 23-Oct-12 13:26:52

Yes I also came on to say that the M&M baby scene is the precursor to the inevitable M&M can't have kids storyline. as well as the inevitable turning up of the presumed dead other heir in India

I might change my user name to GiantBabySybil

ppeatfruit Tue 23-Oct-12 13:29:51

Other interesting thing is where is the wet nurse who has done such a grand job with GBS ? grin Hiding in a cupboard obviously!!

Chubfuddler Tue 23-Oct-12 13:37:38

How does a wet nurse work then? Is it some poor woman who has lost her baby or just someone with massive amounts of milk? The mechanics of it have never occurred to me before.

megandraper Tue 23-Oct-12 13:39:19

Chub - I think it's often a woman with a baby of her own, or whose baby is old enough to be weaned, but the woman just carries on feeding the paid-for baby instead, so milk doesn't stop.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Tue 23-Oct-12 13:41:51

Probably Hidden in the cupboard.

Merrin Tue 23-Oct-12 14:11:11

Probably someone with an older baby that could be part weaned and need less milk. Giant Baby Sybil would increase her milk. Although child mortality was much more common than now it doesn't have to have been the case, especially in short notice in a small village.

Merrin Tue 23-Oct-12 14:11:25

I like to look on the bright side me grin

ppeatfruit Tue 23-Oct-12 14:23:35

They also had those funny glass banana shaped bottles; I don't know if they had formula like ours but they did give bottles then.

squoosh Tue 23-Oct-12 15:27:45

Is DA repeated during the week? I missed Sunday's episode due to drunken revelry. I can't watch it on the iplayer as it does not make for a relaxing televisual experience! Buffering, buffering, buffering . . . . .

It's on Sunday teatime, not sure of exact time.

MarthasHarbour Tue 23-Oct-12 16:05:59

marking my place

I did think the scene with M&M holding GBS was rather touching. And wasnt GBS supposed to be 'small' ergo the fit of eclampsia? confused

Squoosh, DA is repeated on Sunday at about 5 in the afternoon before the new episode.

I am looking forward to next weeks episode purely to see Edith hopefully starting a real writing job.

Felicitywascold Tue 23-Oct-12 22:13:47

Branson and GBS on the run down farm is a great idea and will probably happen, it is all that predictable

Do we think Daisy will leave the programme to run the other farm?

Did anyone else think that when Mr Mason was talking about the world in 40 years time that there is scope for an amazing '60s spin off, with all the descendants and Mary as the new Dowager Countess?

ppeatfruit Wed 24-Oct-12 08:43:22

That's a brilliant thought felicity with all the honourables actually COOKING shock

Merrin Wed 24-Oct-12 12:31:29

Or a bit later and a bit Jilly Cooper! Fab idea!

diddl Wed 24-Oct-12 21:04:47

Anyone else really annoyed with it?

Robert & Cora reunion.

Robert continually dimissing Matthew.
Seems to have more concern for the servants.

Wish Matthew would ask for his money back.

Would the women really have stayed at Isobel´s?

Would they really not have known that Ethel was there?

diddl but who would have told them?

diddl Thu 25-Oct-12 07:23:05

Well the impression I got was that it was known.

But if not, then I´m surprised they didn´t leave/that no one was angry with Isobel.

Also surprised that Violet "sided" with Cora by staying.

Maybe just having lost Sybil they were having a "what the fuck does anything matter anymore" moment.

Mary is pissing me off now.

When edith says "maybe I should learn to cook"

"Whatever for?"-for something to do?

And because you might have to since your twat of a father seems intent on burning through any money given to him!

ppeatfruit Thu 25-Oct-12 08:44:04

diddl There was a huge snobbery connected to cooking in those days it was considered very posh to say you couldn't boil an egg in the same way as aristos liked to boast they didn't work (remember Violet saying what's a weekend?)

So Edith saying she was going to learn to cook was being very rebellious indeed!! grin Sorry for the history lesson if you knew that anyway grin

diddl Thu 25-Oct-12 08:54:54

I know I get it-they´re Earl´s daughters.

Mary just pisses me off!

Looking at it from our perspective-with hindsight!-it´s hard to see supposedly intelligent people so clueless.

Lord G has had financial problems-but won´t even bother to listen to Matthew.

It´s an ongoing case of the next generation propping the place up before they even take it over!!

I only like Edith & Isobel!

Felicitywascold Thu 25-Oct-12 10:57:28

Looking at it from our perspective-with hindsight!-it´s hard to see supposedly intelligent people so clueless.

Don't confuse class with intelligence. The men get their jobs through birth, the women through marriage. They don't educate the girls outside of getting a 'governess' which stops at an early age.

It's quite possible that Lord 6s financial woes are down to the fact that he just isn't very bright!

Mathew more so, but he is the recipient of the best education amongst them.

diddl Thu 25-Oct-12 11:07:31

Oh yes, I get it about Lord G-he seemed quite proud of not understanding whatever papers Matthew was looking at once.

But surely he pays people for that-and financial advice?

Felicitywascold Thu 25-Oct-12 12:28:18

But as he himself said 'a fool and his money are easily parted'

The economy has changed since Lord G took over the estate and be has failed to keep up.

diddl Thu 25-Oct-12 12:41:13

Well yes, he is a fool-but he won´t learn from it, will he?

He has failed to keep up-but not only that, won´t listen to someone who has invested money & is trying to help-that´s just arrogance imo.

Mind you, I´d quite like to see the whole lot crumble around Mary´s ears!

lucysnowe Thu 25-Oct-12 15:19:27

Hey just dropping in to post this:

Now, which of your drew it, hmm? grin

MarthasHarbour Thu 25-Oct-12 15:57:23

i love that pic! grin

Felicitywascold Thu 25-Oct-12 22:24:03

Me too wish id drawn it

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Oct-12 08:28:07

Lord fatbum is an Earl and obviously not very bright he would think M.C. people like accountants and doctors beneath him so why would he follow their advice? He does have some redeeming sweetness though. The 'giving orders thing' is IMO 'cos he must feel very threatened and insecure by changing times and can't believe others are not feeling the same.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Fri 26-Oct-12 09:59:40

grin at drawing.
Does LordG have an estate manager? An agent is it? What is he doing?

LadyClariceCannockMonty Fri 26-Oct-12 13:51:36

I had never thought of Thomas/the actor who plays him in THAT way before, but that episode when Lady Syb dies and he's in his dressing gown with no Brylcreem in and his hair all awry .... ooooooh, young man!

Sorry if that's too much of a derailment. grin

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 13:56:23

Thomas is bloody HOT!

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Oct-12 14:12:55

Oh lady I've ALWAYS thought of the actor who plays Thomas in THAT way he's sooper grin

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:14:55

Apparently Pickles' brother is coming to Downton. Maybe he'll be a bit handsome <hopeful>

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 26-Oct-12 14:22:07
squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:23:35


<no longer hopeful>

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Oct-12 14:24:54

Rob James Collier I knew I'd seen him in Corrie. his acting has improved more than a bit and he's sex on legs IMHO.grin

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:25:15

And can I just say 'Kieran'???? I really don't think so.

He would be called Ciarán.

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Oct-12 14:27:02

Well Pickle's brother couldn't look more Irish could he?

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:28:59

Ick. He looks like Paul Merton. They could have gone for someone a bit better looking, plenty of good looking Irish actors.

And before anyone asks, yes, looks are everything.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 26-Oct-12 14:30:30

He does look massively Irish, doesn't he. Oh, and he's a drunkard too. JF did not have to delve too far into his book of Oirish stereotypes to come up with that, did he?

But on the bright side, drunk... Might he have nocturnal activities do you think? Edith? A maid? Mary?

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:32:10

We're not the best looking race but we're sturdy!

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 26-Oct-12 14:33:03

I am so sturdy (and so evolved) that i have done away with the need for ankles. I go from foot, straight to calf, no messing.

Lord Fatty's agent would have been a solicitor/accountant type. Estate manager is a land economist. If Fatty has one then either he needs sacking or Fatty has been ignoring him.

Maybe things fell by the wayside during the War when it was harder to get young men, and hasn't been revived properly if said young men didn't come back. It's only meant to be 1920 or something.

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:33:38

I think he'll get up to some hijinx with Edith and what with all her newly found social awareness it would be simply impolite not to welcome him into her chamber.

(Bed chamber and anatomical chamber)

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 14:34:41

Ankles are frivolous things anyway Hazel. As long as you have hands like shovels you'll be fine.

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Oct-12 14:36:45

squoosh He may look better on T.V. and not take a good still 'cos yes there a lot of good looking Irish actors

Hazel grin you naughty! Isn't there a little rekindled passion between M & M now ?

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 26-Oct-12 14:37:20

(I do that, squoosh. I could dig up a field with no need for oxen nor spade. Proud.)

diddl Fri 26-Oct-12 14:39:12

Oh well, with an unattractive drunk for a brother, they´ll be thinking that Branson isn´t so bad after allhmm

lazarusb Fri 26-Oct-12 15:36:54

I'm hoping that we don't get any more slurpy bed scenes between Anna and Bates...I know it's Halloween this week but she doesn't deserve that!

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 15:37:58

If I see a scene where Anna is slurping on any part of Bates' anatomy I will not be overjoyed.

CaroleService Fri 26-Oct-12 15:39:58

I think Edith and the newspaper editor will get it on.

MarthasHarbour Fri 26-Oct-12 15:48:06

urgh <vomits> at Bates' slurping hmm

squoosh you really are a minx regarding Ediths anatomical chamber! shock

ppeatfruit Fri 26-Oct-12 15:54:41

Nooo not Edith and that bully carole she's too young (oh I forgot she nearly married an old man didn't she?)

squooshThough it will be sweet to see Anna and Bates together at last after all the woeful boring prison - type plot won't it ?I hope he has a bath before slurping her though shock.

squoosh Fri 26-Oct-12 16:15:01

You're right ppeatfruit it's not Bates' fault he's been so annoying as I used to quite like him at the start. I will graciously allow them a reunion, but just a chaste little cuddle, something to put a bit of colour in her cheeks. As long as I don't actually have to see them in bed. <Victorian>

And I do apologise for my crudeness Martha, I try not to, but my default setting tends to be 'lower the tone'. And really, poor old Edith's chamber has had a Vacancies sign hanging up in the window for far too long. he needs a tenant, any tenant.

diddl Fri 26-Oct-12 17:16:02

Yup-Edith & the newspaper guy she was talking to in the trailer last week.

Sure thing!

Bit samey though-Mary & Richard & now Edith & Michael Gregson.

Maybe he´s married!!

CaroleService Fri 26-Oct-12 17:38:00

Yep - that editor (not evil Sir Wotsit)

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Fri 26-Oct-12 17:50:50

Gah to drunken oirish bil. It's as if JF has got a list of Irish cliches he is working through.
And Edith can't get involved with her editor because that would be too repetitive. However they may become buddies and he gives her some inside information about the nasty one.

ppeatfruit Sat 27-Oct-12 09:48:48

OOOh carole I must've missed Edith meeting another nubile man when did that happen? I reread yr post IN THE TRAILER!!! I was thinking trailer trash what?

DUH grin Editor or not he's a man isn't he? There weren't so many around then were there? I don't remember if he was HOT?

diddl Sat 27-Oct-12 10:36:45

It´s this guy

I do like the idea of Edith & Napier, though.

But I guess that wouldn´t happen because she spilled the beans about Pamuk.

ppeatfruit Sat 27-Oct-12 10:43:13

Thanks diddl He's okay smile AAAh at the pic of Mike and Giant Baby Sybil!

UltraBOF Sat 27-Oct-12 16:03:23

You have got to all see this grin

The fella has got some of them spot on. It's called Downstairs at Downton.

ppeatfruit Sat 27-Oct-12 16:24:05

Ultra Thanks soo much for that smile It is brilliant ;he's got lady Violet exactly right and Mrs Patmore all of them actually; he's bleedin' clever isn't he grin

diddl Sat 27-Oct-12 17:35:23

Oh that is hilarious.

Is it in Ireland?


mouldyironingboard Sat 27-Oct-12 17:50:01

Fantastic! Thanks for posting that clip, Ultra.

UltraBOF Sat 27-Oct-12 17:50:37

I love his Lady Grantham, and Matthew.

vjg13 Sat 27-Oct-12 17:53:44

UltraBof, that YouTube clip is brill smile

squoosh Sat 27-Oct-12 18:32:36

'two episodes ago you had cancer and we were best friends' grin

He got them all spot on especially Lord Fatty.

Hah Boffles, that's very good.

That's hilarious! Violet was my favourite grin

Felicitywascold Sat 27-Oct-12 20:33:02

Amazing clip! grin

Chubfuddler Sat 27-Oct-12 20:45:14

His pickle, Matthew and Carson were completely ace. Even had Matthew's laconic irritatingly even handed (I never realised it irritated me till now) way if looking at everything.

That was amazing!

MunchkinsMumof2 Sun 28-Oct-12 10:15:33

That guy is amazing, such brilliant impressions!

ppeatfruit Sun 28-Oct-12 12:14:54

I've had to watch DS at DA again grin it is just SOO funny; he does a wonderful Cora and Daisy too "Go Fxxx yrself Mrs. Patmore" grin

UltraBOF Sun 28-Oct-12 14:29:13

I think I'll watch it again too- get warmed up for later grin

ppeatfruit Sun 28-Oct-12 14:51:11

I'm going to reward myself for mowing the grass for the last time before winter by watching the repeat as well I loved them all in black soo elegant,(i should get a life emoticom grin

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 28-Oct-12 15:59:55

grin at the YouTube film. Very good.
Warming up for tonight. Off to get a bottle of wine and some chocolate.

MarthasHarbour Sun 28-Oct-12 16:04:12

Hilarious!! grin

MarthasHarbour Sun 28-Oct-12 16:05:17

IamShe can you get me some too? bottle of merlot and some galaxy - ta

cant-be arsed to go out in this rain

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 28-Oct-12 16:07:46

Ok beverage and confectionary of choice all round, my treat. <<gets shopping trolley out>>

MarthasHarbour Sun 28-Oct-12 16:12:35

awesome - make that a decent bordeaux then wink

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 28-Oct-12 16:13:28

Only just seen this, LOVE it! Best bit for me was 'two episodes ago you had cancer and we were best friends'.

Refreshment-wise, I am being inspired by the elegance and panache of the age, and I have jammy doughnuts and Orange Truffle Baileys.

MarthasHarbour Sun 28-Oct-12 16:19:47

<trying to picture the dowager troffing a doughnut without getting sugar everywhere>

praps we should get Mrs Patmore round to cook - not Ethel though - she is dirty <shudders>

UltraBOF Sun 28-Oct-12 17:07:12

I liked the way pickle says "Lady Sybil agrees with me", as that's pretty much what her character was reduced to this series. I'd be surprised if she's had more than ten lines. She must have really pissed Julian Fellowes off.

Boffy that was hilarious, how do you find them??

I'm ready for tonights episode. I have my carbonara, I have my chocolate cake and I have my very classy bottle of £2.99 echo falls.

All is well. Bring on the drama.

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 19:10:54

I've just watched last week's episode.

Matthew and Bates need to stay away from the catering vans.

Matthew is getting on my tits. Just run the bloody farms already.
Perhaps it's comfort eating grin

Angelico Sun 28-Oct-12 20:56:37

Would read through whole thread but must go and banish DH and new baby from living room so I can have my one sacred hour of the week grin Ahhhhh, Downton!

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 21:05:17

I'm glad they're allowing Anna to look prettier in this series, a bit less freshly scoured.

Matthew seems to have lost weight again since last week

NigellasGhost Sun 28-Oct-12 21:06:58

disgusting - Lord C is suggesting Bates goes cottaging with him

Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 21:12:13

Dowager has too much eye make up.

UltraBOF Sun 28-Oct-12 21:13:23

ROFL at "Stay in bed, Bates, read books!"

Yeah, cos he hasn't had much time for that in prison, has he? grin

MarthasHarbour Sun 28-Oct-12 21:13:32

Poor Ethel walking past a baby. Do you think the dowager is softening?

MrsjREwing Sun 28-Oct-12 21:14:31

Lord C or G?

MrsjREwing Sun 28-Oct-12 21:15:24

Poor Bates probably had enough of that in prison.

NigellasGhost Sun 28-Oct-12 21:20:01

G sorry

I am fed up with Bates being back at the house already

Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 21:25:20

Ciaran was a very unusual name in those years. Most Irish men born in the 1890's/1900's had English names such as Thomas, Joseph, James, William.

Irish names came back in vogue in the 71970's/80's.

Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 21:27:15

Why would Thomas listen to anything O'Brien would say?

TapirsTerrifyTerribly Sun 28-Oct-12 21:29:03

Poor Thomas

ZombieArmsDragOnTheFloor Sun 28-Oct-12 21:29:44

Can't watch!

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dapplegrey Sun 28-Oct-12 21:30:45

Nor can I

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MarthasHarbour Sun 28-Oct-12 21:32:58

O I misunderstood Ethel was blacklisted in the village

Silly Thomas, Alfred is gonna nail him (not literally!)

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Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:36:29

I missed it! What did Alfred see/do?

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:37:28


Edith I say he's nice.

Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 21:38:22

Never mind poor Thomas, poor James!

TigersChick Sun 28-Oct-12 21:38:48

I had to watch that scene through the gap between the screen and the keyboard on my laptop!!

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muffinino82 Sun 28-Oct-12 21:39:30

Fellowes said Thomas would be all shiny, happy unicorns this season but if this is his way of getting rid and replacing Thomas with dreary, boring Bates, I'm out.

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 21:40:58

Ooooh go Edith and twinkly eyed editor man!

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 21:44:21

It would have been nice if Pickles and his brother had the same accent!

bananaistheanswer Sun 28-Oct-12 21:44:32

Ooh, that dirty look Lord 6 gave Matthew would curdle milk!

muffinino82 Sun 28-Oct-12 21:44:39

I like brother Branson already grin

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:44:40

Pickles brother is a crashing bore.

dapplegrey Sun 28-Oct-12 21:44:49

The scene with Ld G, Matthew, the lawyer and the old fashioned agent seemed convincing.

UltraBOF Sun 28-Oct-12 21:44:53

Oh dear, I'm cringing at the common brother.

The brothers sound nothing like each other

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:46:19

I think Mary is diffed

UltraBOF Sun 28-Oct-12 21:46:21

Matthew's sex face makes me want to throw up.

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:47:26

Was that his sex face?

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 21:47:39

Ugh. If there was a gun to my heads and I was forced to snog either Cousin Matthew or John McCririck I would choose Cousin Matthew but it would take a few seconds for me to make my decision!

GeorginaWorsley Sun 28-Oct-12 21:48:11

I think Mary may be preggers....

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Lotkinsgonecurly Sun 28-Oct-12 21:50:23

Who was the old bloke who described himself as the old broom was he the estate manager?

GeetTallBird Sun 28-Oct-12 21:52:07

Can't believe it's the last one next week!
I predict by next week Lady Mary is pregnant and Lady Edith to be a suffragette and Anna and Bates to have a big row where he loses his temper and scares her. Tom to take over the farm please.

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:52:26

Oh shut up bum bum.


Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 21:53:01

Family 'stuff'???????

O'Brien is a nasty bit of work isn't she

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Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 21:56:08

The familyy should have left Ciaran in the village.

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:58:40

Good old granny.

You cannot want your only grand child to grow up in a garage.

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 21:59:17

I think Carson is going to hush it up

TigersChick Sun 28-Oct-12 22:00:37

Good call Chubfuddler grin

Maybe Carson is in the closet too.

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 22:02:00

If Thomas made an appearance in my bed chamber in the middle if the night I wouldn't be so rude as to turn him away.

Chubfuddler Sun 28-Oct-12 22:02:29

Ooh a nightclub!

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 22:02:34

Finally, some glamorous hi jinx in London next week!

Anyone else think Carson is gay/had a gay brother? Given how mild his reaction compared to learning Ethel was cooking for the ladies.

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squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 22:03:55

Loved the facial exchange between Lord Fatty and Vi when the priest joined them for the photo grin

TigersChick Sun 28-Oct-12 22:03:56

Crickey! Looks like next week is going to be a bit of a whirlwind hour!!

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dapplegrey Sun 28-Oct-12 22:05:32

Smaltzing - Edith went to the Lady mag to put a 'situations wanted' for Ethel, told to by the Dowager.

dapplegrey Sun 28-Oct-12 22:06:03

Sorry, advertisement in the situations wanted .

dapplegrey Sun 28-Oct-12 22:07:06

I think Carson is shocked but he doesn't want a scandal at Downton.

squoosh Sun 28-Oct-12 22:09:19

I fely sorry for blondey, object of Thomas' affection, footman when he was saying that he's all alone in the world.

Mollydoggerson Sun 28-Oct-12 22:09:32

There is so much frustration downstairs.

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HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 28-Oct-12 22:43:56

I think Carson has known but not wanted to admit that Thomas is gay for years and years. So that probably softened his responses - if it had been Jimmy for example he'd have been out on his ear straight away.

Next week looks brilliant. Who is Rose the party animal? Some distant cousin or what?

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 28-Oct-12 23:18:06

I'm rubbish at the cousiny relationships (1st? 2nd? Removed?) but she's Lady Rose MacClare, daughter of Lord 6's cousin Susan, the Marchioness of Flintshire.

Am loving the new journo. Really hope Edith can get some jollies with him.

LineRunner Sun 28-Oct-12 23:39:09

Annie Walker from the Rovers Return used to take The Lady. Rita had to keep it for her in The Kabin.

dapplegrey Mon 29-Oct-12 06:52:58

The Lady magazine still exists and is run from its original premises In Covent Garden as mentioned in Downton. It was started by the Mitford sisters' maternal grandfather and still owned by his descendants.
Rachel Johnson sister of Boris was hired to increase its circulation, but annoyed the owner by putting in too much about sex!

Animation Mon 29-Oct-12 07:46:03

Oh no poor Thomas! It's going like you all predicted!! sad

I'm hanging to the hope now that it's not unrequited - and we find out in the last episode, just in the nick of time, and that the other guy didn't really want to report it to the police - it was just a defence mechanism......


ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 08:24:43

Well, I enjoyed that grin all of the Upstairs ladies in paler mourning purple for the christening.

Loved pickle saying to Ld. G. 'Lydia loved you with all her heart and would've wanted you to be at the christening' He's shaping up well what him and Edith !!

Liked Rules restaurant; It's real 'cos I've been there twice (boastful emoticom)

I predict James (who's a proper little ladies' man BTW grin) and Daisy getting it together and running the farm after FIL pops his clogs!

Thomas will go and be a valet to a nice gay mon in Soho or somewhere

Loved bates and anna happy at last in little cottage.

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 08:26:17

Sorry I meant what about Pickle and Edith ??

diddl Mon 29-Oct-12 08:29:56

PLease can Edith have someone of her own-not a sister´s cast off.

Not quite the right phrase here, but ykwim.

James is gay, I think, but scared of showing it.

Even so, Thomas is older & surely taking advantage of his position-plus it´s illegal!!

I was laughing at the different accents of Oirish Branson and his mustachioed
I thought they were steering Edith into a clinch with Matthew - as he was being nice to her - but the newspaper man is a better plot. Are they purely going with 'posh girl marries down' as a storyline though? Not only has it been done, it's been done by them, in series one and two.

Animation Mon 29-Oct-12 08:38:15

I also didn't like Matthew's pursed lip (sex face) confused - when Mary kissed him!

MorrisZapp Mon 29-Oct-12 08:41:26

Every episode of DA plays like a finale - frantically rushing through storylines so quickly that blinking becomes strictly confined to ad breaks.

Has Lord G forgotten the death of his youngest daughter? He seemed pretty chipper to me. And Edith, thank goodness she hasn't let her public jilting get her down at all.

As for the plot involving the kitchen maids, the exceptionally tall footman, the conniving O'Brien and two men one of whom is openly gay (hello!) and the other of whom can't decide if he's a friend of Dorothy or an outraged ladies man - I give in. Hands in the air. I am actually lost.

Animation Mon 29-Oct-12 08:43:26

Diddl - yes I got the impression James might be gay - and I thought Thomas came on way too strong too quickly in the bedroom like that. It was like woooaaaahhh!

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 08:45:11

But *Sue remember that Pickle was working at DA for years and obviously 'anglicised (sp)? his accent deliberately,--to get his legover Sybil-- to create a good impression for posh family grin.

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 08:46:32

Sorry for the typos!!

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Mon 29-Oct-12 08:59:36

Omg poor Thomas. That was heart rending. I thought Carson was going to smooth it over but it would appear not. No reference! A sentence to a downward spiral surely. On the other hand Thomas was far too rash. Not that I couldn't feel the sexual tension from my living room but I was silently yelling 'why are you believing anything O'Brien says to you'
GBS seemed to shrink slightly after her christening. Very cute in her lace shawl in her cot.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Mon 29-Oct-12 09:00:54

Am LOL at 'the exceptionally tall footman'

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 09:15:00

IamShe I think GBS should now be Big Beautiful Baby Sybil!!

I forgot the tall footman is mean O'Brien's nephew he's a real chip off the old block (if you can say that about a nephew and Aunt grin)

MorrisZapp Mon 29-Oct-12 09:42:55

Help a blonde, anybody? Did O'Brien invent the ETFs comments about how James fancies Thomas? And if so, to what end?

Oh is that is Pp? grin Not that they came from two entirely different counties?

Is anyone else concerned for the horses? Series one and two they were riding out and hunting regularly. Now Matthew has a car, there's not a ned in the place. I am concerned for the jobs of the outdoor staff that are never mentioned or heard from you understand.

O'Brian DID invent the comments, as part of the ongoing feud (hiding shirts, telling the gormless valet that OB was leaving so LadyG was cross etc). She is stirring it up for her own evil ends, innit?

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 10:01:37

Yes I'll trymorris but I'm a blonde too grin O'brien has gone from being bosom buddies with Thomas to hating his guts. No on here knows the reason why unless she's pushing her nephew to succeed at his expense. Yes she deffo has invented the gayness of James to get Thomas into deep shxx.

Sue not only are their accents totally different they seem to come from very diff. classes; maybe the S.W.s are grooming pickle to become a proper part of the upstairs family grin

diddl Mon 29-Oct-12 11:34:21

I´m not sure why anyone feels sorry for Thomas tbh.

He´s been drooling over Jimmy, getting too close & touching him unnecessarily!

Even if J is gay-why should he put up with that-he might not even like Thomas!

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 11:58:08

Agree diddl He can always have a wxxx (to lower the tone) grin

MarthasHarbour Mon 29-Oct-12 12:14:41

much as i have no sympathy for Thomas, i do fancy him a lot bit

so did anyone else come over all unnecessary when Thomas was in his room getting all angst ridden and <wipes brow> imagined-him with a stiffy when he was about to accost Jimmy.

<fans self>
<has a small sherry>

squoosh Mon 29-Oct-12 12:16:10

Oh Martha I know exactly what you mean!

<rips into the cooking wine>

Thomas is a nasty bit of work, but he does make my heart skip a beat when he's done up in his livery. Funny because I thought he was creepy and horrible in Corrie.

Very hard being gay in those days though, he couldn't just ask Jimmy to go to the cinema with him (for example). Remember when he tried it on with Pamuk, that was a lot more plausible to be honest. Even if Jimmy was up for it it seems unlikely that he would have appreciated being pounced on while sleeping, that really was a bit too risky.

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 12:23:23

Yeah IKWYM as well martha about Rob Collier grin He's HOT!

MarthasHarbour Mon 29-Oct-12 12:30:54

<douses us all with holy water>


ErikNorseman Mon 29-Oct-12 12:53:33

I actually don't think Thomas would have done that. Sure, he fancied jimmy but there didn't seem to be any real chemistry between them. I'm sorry but an early 20th century gay person would have awesome gaydar, it would be risking everything to make a mistake like Thomas did.

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 12:55:29

OOh just had a vision of sleeping James he's also HOT!! I hope the holy water is cool martha grin

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 12:57:48

Yes Erik I think you're right and believing that cxx O'Brien who he knows has been winding him up.

Thinking about it, the Thomas/O'Brien feud goes: hide the shirts - Thomas gets told of, say she's leaving - O'Brien gets told off, out Thomas - he gets sacked and jailed!? That's quite an escalation, no wonder Thomas didn't see it coming.

MarthasHarbour Mon 29-Oct-12 14:45:51

do you think he will go to prison? i forsee DA Series 4 mainly consisting of Thomas walking in circles round the same prison as Bates, ad infinitum..... hmm

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 14:52:03

grin martha Ria do you remember O'brien saying very threateningly to Thomas something like ' You'll regret that ' I can't remember what it was about though.

TapirsTerrifyTerribly Mon 29-Oct-12 15:00:19

As far as I can remember, the O'Brien thing dates back to when Thomas was promoted over her nephew.

ppeatfruit Mon 29-Oct-12 15:04:50

OOH thanks tapirs.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Mon 29-Oct-12 15:06:43

I don't know about imagining his stiffy you lot are so coarse but I did get rather hot and bothered when it seemed he might take his singlet off <<necks trifle sherry>>

ZombieArmsDragOnTheFloor Mon 29-Oct-12 15:59:55

Googling implies it's because Thomas was/is bullying her nephew.

squoosh Mon 29-Oct-12 16:06:54

And she also hates Thomas because he bullied the shell shocked footman who reminded O'Brien of her dead brother. That was the only time we saw her softer side.

Please stop mentioning Thomas' hard cock, 'tis most distracting!

<swigs some cleaning turps>

Pooka Mon 29-Oct-12 16:59:03

Well I today met a real life star of downton.

Walking along a street in wadebridge, ds2 came a cropper on uneven pavement and fell head first with a sickening bump as head met slab.

Was just comforting him when lovely woman appeared with a dog, who she introduced to ds in attempt to cheer him up (the mere fact that a stranger was talking to him meant he clammed up anyway, as he's 3 and ornery).

I admired the dog, a yellow lab. Who also happens to be the intro sequence downton fat dog! The woman said to watch her gait as she walked away, and swore she was telling the truth and blimey that dog waddled! Was a really weird but lovely encounter.

Unlike poor Thomas. Horrible. Horrible thingy the ladies maid and miscarriage inducer. She's eeeevvviiiilll.

DorisIsWaiting Mon 29-Oct-12 18:40:24

I don't think Mary is pregnant, I think Mathew will have tests and it won't be him and Mary will have caught something nasty from "the Turk"... They will of curse bring up Sybil as their own, ifwhen Pickles gets carted back to Ireland to face Justice.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Mon 29-Oct-12 18:46:07

I think Matthew and Mary will split up because she will not support him in the way he wishes to run Downton and will side with her father.

I can't help wondering if Edith and Matthew might get together and she will then have a male heir.....

wintera Mon 29-Oct-12 19:12:00

How can Mary have caught something from Mr Turk fella though? I thought they didn't have proper sex? Didn't she tell her mother that she was still intact or something along those lines? I had assumed they got up to other business but not full sex.

I think they'll be miraculously upduffed after much angsting, next season. Or maybe Christmas. I don't see how she could have caught much from Dead Turk, he had barely hopped on.

<still worried about the imaginary gardeners>

Animation Mon 29-Oct-12 19:26:18

Why is Mary REALLY getting on my wick this series - and always going on about her bloody precious father!!

Mollydoggerson Mon 29-Oct-12 19:42:54

Will the Dowager go to the night club next week to drag home the wayward grandchild?

diddl Mon 29-Oct-12 20:29:56

"Why is Mary REALLY getting on my wick this series"

Because now she´s done what was wanted-married the heir-she has turned back to the boring snob she always was.

I did quite enjoy Matthew twisting the knife about Cora´s fortune used to prop up the place & Mr Swire´s legacy wouldn´t go the same way.

I hope Branson moves away & takes baby Sybil.

Lord G has his mother´s nasty streak-about not being at the Christening & mass being like gymnastics.

FFS-that´s your GD & possible next heir you ignorant twat!

ah that´s better!

ZZZenAgain Mon 29-Oct-12 20:42:50

OMG martha, no, not more prison scenes. I bet they're cheap ones since they do them in the dark but I can't face anymore of those.

Thomas is HOT, sizzle, sizzle. I was another silently shrieking, "don't listen to her, don't do it!" He can't leave, there is no one else there for me!

diddl Mon 29-Oct-12 21:40:05

Can´t believe it´s the last one next week.

And apart from Sybil dying-fuck all has happened really.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Mon 29-Oct-12 22:32:58

Is there going to be a Christmas special?

tribpot Mon 29-Oct-12 23:21:44

They all seem a bit lost without a war to fight, don't they? At least Isabel's flying the flag with her socially edgy moral crusades. They could have done a shedload about women's suffrage this season if they'd wanted :-/

The lurve pentagon below stairs is nearly as excruciatingly tedious as the Bates prison saga. I also don't get why Thomas was so willing to believe O'Brien, too contrived for plot purposes.

fuck all has happened? grin They fit a whole season's plot into one episode. It just feels like nothing's happened.

Bound to be a Christmas special. Apart from anything else, what would be the point of introducing a new character otherwise?

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 07:23:59

I do think it´s right for Ethel to leave-but why go behind Isobel´s back?

So-who could work for Isobel?

And Edith resigns next week???

Was that it for her being interesting??

And Thomas-I suppose he wanted to believe it-so he did!

And new people being introduced in the last ep?

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Tue 30-Oct-12 08:34:36

Can Thomas cook?.............................

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Tue 30-Oct-12 08:35:22


ppeatfruit Tue 30-Oct-12 08:36:22

Yeah it's weird to bring in new characters in the last episode Diddl .

and the 'going behind Isobel's and Edith's back ' is nasty; Lady Violet has a definite nasty streak doesn't she? Poor Edith passed around like a parcelgrin

I like Mary but she's always been a bit meh hmm IMO she's the dowager in waiting and plays the part to the hilt.

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 09:11:24

I think that Violet has been quite nasty this series tbh.

Maybe Edith resigning is something to do with the new character´s behaviour & it isn´t accepted?

I like how Matthew seems to be getting on with her.

But this whole "spare Papa´s feelings" from Mary-he´s a fucking adult!!

Obviously now that he has the money again, he is happy just as long as he can hand the estate over intact.

Never mind in what state!

Animation Tue 30-Oct-12 09:16:51

"And apart from Sybil dying-fuck all has happened really."


Been more of a socio-economic-psychological drama this time - shining a torch on the prejudice, patriarchy and not so nice traits of the upper classes...and the O'Brien types.

ppeatfruit Tue 30-Oct-12 09:32:55

Yes Animation I'm a supporter of slow and intelligent T.V. and films (not that D.A. is THAT intelligent but it leaves the soaps way behind IMHO) I'm going to miss it sad I hope there's a Christmas special.

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 09:40:58

I´m not so sure it does leave the soaps that far behind.

There have been some absolute howlers.

ZZZenAgain Tue 30-Oct-12 09:50:49

of course they will have a Christmas special.

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 09:52:43

How about Cora dies, Lord G marries again & produces a son??

The end!

Animation Tue 30-Oct-12 10:06:51

I will miss it - and hope a Christmas Special will be a bit lighter and airy, and right some wrongs.

Yes, this series seems fixed on highlighting their complete superior complex!! Think they've covered nearly every prejudice that you could discriminate against...disability,age, catholicism, race/Irish/Americans, working women, single mothers, homosexuals, prostitution, medical profession, journalism....

What TERRIBLE people they were!!

Animation Tue 30-Oct-12 10:11:35

I'd like to see Lord G lose an arm - and see what that feels like!

Animation Tue 30-Oct-12 10:18:53

oh, and then Cora dies but no woman will want Lord G because he's too old AND he only has one arm...

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 10:42:17

Oh yes there will be a CS-to announce that M&M are going to have a baby-awwwwww!

There´s probably a series 4&5 lined up.

Animation Tue 30-Oct-12 11:18:16

Mary might have to have it off with the 'rough diamond' (Branson's bother) to get pregnant. She said she liked a bit of rough diamond.

Mary and Matthew are not easy to care about right now though - and it's like if she gets pregnant who cares .. they could just help out a bit with little Sybil.

tribpot Tue 30-Oct-12 11:58:59

Correction: Mary said she was fond of diamonds, not rough diamonds like the Drunk Brother smile

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 12:04:59

Yes the Sybil thing-nanny in the background & GPs just ignoreconfused

guess it was a sign of the times.

Can you imagine M&M-can´t agree how to run the estate/how to bring up a baby.

That´s why I wish he´d married MC Lavinia & fucked them all right off!

I think Matthew will shag Edith, she will get PG and they will bring it up as their own. While she flits off to become the Jiz Loans of her time.

GeorginaWorsley Tue 30-Oct-12 14:40:49

I thought it odd that nanny in grounds and they ignored her!
Didn't even go and peep at baby.
Thought there would have been more of Cora cooing over baby Sybil tbh.
Sppose aristos in 1920's didn't 'do' children much!

Northernlurkerisbehindyouboo Tue 30-Oct-12 14:50:08

The return of Bates is so tedious. I wish they'd hung him now. Would have been much less painful.

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 14:55:31

Edith give up a child to the ghastly Ms???

YY to Tedious Bates. I wish he had perished inside. Even Anna and her suspiciously bright hair is pissing me off now.
Maybe I am Too Grumpy for Downton.

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 15:39:57

it´s been quite a tedious series, hasn´t it?

Violet seems to be just nasty now.

M&M are boring.

Lord G is a ridiculous twat.

Could have done something with Ethel but hasn´t & the Lord & Lady G rift-could have done something with Cora-but that was soon resolved.

I wonder if there is something in the contracts that certain characters get more air time?

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 15:40:27

Meant Edith, not Ethel.

Animation Tue 30-Oct-12 15:58:22

Still don't understand how Bates got let off just because some person said his wife made a poisonous pie and then scoffed it. confused

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 16:00:59

Reasonable doubt?

Chubfuddler Tue 30-Oct-12 16:11:23

His conviction was unsafe because the neighbour gave incomplete evidence to the court. By rights she should be done for perjury.

He may of course still have killed her....

VirginiaDare Tue 30-Oct-12 16:20:48

There were 10 eps in the series 2, so why would next week (ep 8) be the last? Aren't there three more?

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 16:43:57

Didn´t it say at the end of Sunday nights that next week is the last?

Thought that there were only 8 in series 1&2 also?

ZombieArmsDragOnTheFloor Tue 30-Oct-12 17:16:00

Yes, it did say that this coming week would be the last.

There'll still be a Christmas Special though <panics>

SlanketySlank Wed 31-Oct-12 07:35:27

I just watched that downstairs at downton link 3 times, it's brilliant!

SlanketySlank Wed 31-Oct-12 07:41:09

Just googled, look like there will be a christmas special and some new characters in it judging by the cast list.

MarthasHarbour Wed 31-Oct-12 09:08:16

Re the nanny pushing the pram in the grounds. If that had been my DM and DF they would have rushed over - pushed nanny out the way, took GBS for a walk whilst tickling her under the chin cooing 'my little babyyyyy' grin

ppeatfruit Wed 31-Oct-12 10:04:45

Of course martha grin IMO the wet nurse \nanny hasn't got a speaking part (we never see her in the baby's room ) They don't have to pay proper wages to the" non-speakers". Well they didn't when our DDs were on telly.

squoosh Wed 31-Oct-12 10:30:57

Yep, spear carriers just get the statutory amount that they pay to extras.

MarthasHarbour Wed 31-Oct-12 11:59:24

oh i loooove how you slipped in that you are the mother of potential slebs ppeatfruit

we shall be seeing you in sleb twaddle in years to come 'mother of DDs in lycra with saggy arse shock' shock grin wink

Lua Wed 31-Oct-12 15:24:38

I think what has happened between Thomas and O'brien is that O'brien had a change of hart with regard to the family after the soap incident, and Thomas came back from the war thinking that he was better than O'brien. I think I remember her asking for help and he telling that she should sort things for her on her own. So there was a clear end to thei alliance. Then, when nephew came in, thomas start immediatly trying to take him down, and O'brien decide to get him back for it.... One may say is a little over the top revenge - but compared to what those two did before, it seems quite tame....

I also tought that Jimme went too far in masculinizing himeself, and made me think..... But then, he clearly have shown dislike of Thomas touching him to O'brien, and I thought he seemed interested in Daisy in the previous episode?
I am confused....

ppeatfruit Wed 31-Oct-12 15:25:43

Martha blush No they've got more sense grin they work behind the scenes "controlling not being controlled' is what DDI says. grin It would be fun though !!

ppeatfruit Wed 31-Oct-12 15:26:39

I'm not a pushy Mum honest !!!

MarthasHarbour Wed 31-Oct-12 16:12:15

high fiiiiive to ppeatfruits DD1! grin

ppeatfruit Wed 31-Oct-12 16:24:26


IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Thu 01-Nov-12 00:46:21

Soap incident was tripe was it not. What are the chances of 1. Her maj, Cora stepping on soap. 2. Cora slipping on said bar. 3. Miscarriage resulting.
Answer: very slim. Like a sliver. Of soap.

diddl Thu 01-Nov-12 08:16:39

I think that Jimmy is gay, but the protestations to Obrien are to try to hide it.

Yes the mc thing very very unlikely-& these days we know that.

Not really what the point of that was.

To show up Mary´s doubts?

And yet they are together now anyway!

Matthew deciding he loved her as he was about to marry Lavinia.
This is why I dislike them & hope they end up not being the heirs.

ppeatfruit Thu 01-Nov-12 10:06:21

But didn't Mathew always love Mary and she him? And because she was being a rebellious teenager, not wanting to please her parents, she said she didn't love him.So he went off and found Lavinia.

I got the feeling that poor Lavie was always 2nd best; lucky for M&M she was rich and highly principled and dead shock.

diddl Thu 01-Nov-12 10:24:12

He "went off" when Mary wouldn´t give him an answer whilst Cora was pregnant, didn´t he?

I thought Mary more or less said she wanted to wait & see if Cora had a boy.

Could be wrong though.

They are just so dull together.

Now that everyone is stuck in Downton all day everyday doing nothing, it shows them up for the crashing bores they are!

ppeatfruit Thu 01-Nov-12 10:33:36

But I LIKE the slower more thoughtful telly and films. (boring old fart emoticom)grin Though usually the nobility did some time in town AND country every year didn't they?

One subject they don't talk about (which they def. would being as it's a (or was) female heavy family is fashion;bobbing yr hair, shortening the skirts etc. and wouldn't Lord FB have been raging at the short hair and skirts?

Or have I missed the conversation grin?

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Thu 01-Nov-12 10:37:29

I keep thinking about books of that rough period which feature stately homes- the Mitfords and Brideshead basically and wondering where all the weekend house parties, hunts, London visits and entertaining gay American second cousins are. Their lives at Downton are incredibly dull.

ppeatfruit Thu 01-Nov-12 10:47:59

yes iamshe i was going to mention hunting; didn't they do it once in the first series? I don't remember actually, maybe they're members of the 1920s Anti Hunt Brigade grin

They would have been in London for the season AND would've been debs wouldn't they? JF obviously has other issues to explore grin

diddl Thu 01-Nov-12 10:50:30

Well I´m thinking that they can´t afford to anything due to Lord G´s losing all the money!

Animation Thu 01-Nov-12 20:20:10

I didn't expect Mary and Matthew would get as dull as this - and there seems to be a power in balance - as in Mary being on top.

But in the last series I thought they might be equals and soul mates.

diddl Thu 01-Nov-12 20:22:41

Yes-he´s given all his money-but how dare he, as a non aristo, have an opinion-let alone one different to papa´shmm

tribpot Thu 01-Nov-12 20:45:42

I'm surprised Mary isn't somewhat more receptive given her overriding desire to keep Downton in the family. The risk of Lord 6 pissing all the Swire money away must be fairly evident.

Felicitywascold Thu 01-Nov-12 22:16:22

She's not against mathew she just doesn't know how to oppose her father tactfully- and to be fair nor does Mathew apparently!

diddl Fri 02-Nov-12 07:07:50

Well I think Matthew is at the end of his tether due to Lord Ignoramus keep brushing him off/not listening.

Animation Fri 02-Nov-12 07:49:59

Time for Matthew to give the Lord a good shouting at I think - and Mary will not be happy - her face will be full of a stern concern for papa.

ppeatfruit Fri 02-Nov-12 08:12:48

Some men (including Matthew obviously LIKE to be dominated grin). He isn't the most assertive of types is he? I can't see him shouting at his FIL just getting on with what needs to be done and hoping he won't notice!

Animation Fri 02-Nov-12 09:26:16

Yes up to now Matthew has been very accommodating and a bit mamby pamby. Hopefully by Sunday, the build up of unbearable pressures might take him to a crisis point whereby he will dig into his pants and find the courage to speak with great authority at last.

limitedperiodonly Fri 02-Nov-12 11:07:56

Have been avoiding this thread for three weeks while in hospital with rubbish iplayer connection. No one sent chocolates. Have caught up now because of chronic pain keeping me awake last night because I am ill, I tell you. Have I mentioned the fact that no one has sent chocolates?

Whinged at the time in a querulously invalidy-fashion to MNHQ about the idiot who posted about the pretty death of poor Lady Capstan-Non-Filters in AIBU without spoilers in the title. They changed the title but clearly felt I was mad. My excuse is that I was dying and probably still am.

What is Matthew's problem? Is he unable to get it into Lady Mary because of his injury? Are they sure they're using the right hole? I seem to remember Lady Mary rejecting Cora's wedding night talk and given her history with Pamuk maybe she's got it wrong.

Cora shouldn't submit to doing it with Lord 6 ever again because his pretentiousness KILLED HER BABY. And he's shit with her money. And he's got a pudgy chest that would undoubtedly make farty noises when pressed sweatily against you.

It's probably been asked before but indulge me.

It's rubbish btw, I don't like the long bed-plaits on Cora and Lady Mary and I don't like the colour of that dog. It's common. I shall continue watching.

Fiderer Fri 02-Nov-12 11:18:25

limited thought I hadn't seen you around. I was internet-less this week and found that grim enough. Chronic pain and dying must have been nearly as bad.

Have some chocolate

Matthew thinks his injury pre the restorative Tingle is to blame for Mary not being pregnant. She avoids the subject, prob out of guilt that Pamukery may be responsible. Not that I think it is. I think the story is a poor substitute for the "WillTheyWon'tThey?" of last series. That and the "ChangeTheEstate" "NoDon't" we're now enduring between Lord Incompetent and the Youngers.

limitedperiodonly Fri 02-Nov-12 11:39:39

Thanks for the chocolate fiderer. It's nice to know someone cares grin

Dr Titled from Harley Street thinks Matthew should wait. I think he should have a full gamut of investigations from Dr Common from Cottage Hospital with Isobel hovering over him in her practical way with instruments and diagrams.

Or a frank talking-to from Ethel with or without the drippy Lady Mary. Ethel could do much better for herself than whipping up raspberry sponge fingers for the upper classes as long as she moves to London, gets racier clothes and ditches those dreadful hats.

Then little Charlie could move back in with her and in her smart London house and become a terribly precocious child. I think JF has forgotten about Charlie and it's all going to get mired in talk of estates and Matthew and Mary mooning tragically in their barrenness.

God, the new Sybil is an awfully big baby.

ppeatfruit Fri 02-Nov-12 12:10:20

Yes limited we've christened baby Sybs Great Big Baby Sybs I've added Beautiful 'cos she IS. BTW sorry to hear you've been laid up how orfly rotten for you; I hope you got good ministrations from `Dr. Common ' or 'Dr. Titled' grin

Piffpaffpoff Fri 02-Nov-12 12:31:11

I think Edith is going to marry the newspaper man and she'll have a boy, Matthew and Mary will have either a girl or none, then Edith will gain some power as being the mother of the heir and so there will be a bit of a shift between her and Mary. Maybe.

diddl Fri 02-Nov-12 12:32:30

I do quite like the idea of Edith producing the heir so that Mary doesn´t get absolutely everything!

ppeatfruit Fri 02-Nov-12 12:53:20

Does anyone think that Mary and Edith's relationship has changed since the death of Sybil? maybe a bit kinder to one another?

ppeatfruit Fri 02-Nov-12 12:54:32

Does anyone think that Mary and Edith's relationship has changed since the death of Sybil? maybe a bit kinder to one another?

diddl Fri 02-Nov-12 13:00:36

Not really.

Maybe not actively nasty atm.

I think the only "kindness" I saw was when Edith told Mary that Matthew was missing in action because she thought that Mary should know.

Lord G said something like "typical Edith" & Mary said that it was OK & that Edith was right to tell her.

MarthasHarbour Fri 02-Nov-12 18:51:39

<hands limited some chocolates and soothes brow>

so is Sunday def the last episode?

Pooka Fri 02-Nov-12 23:59:33

I think daisy will take over farm. Branson will be estate manager. They will come into more frequent contact. I reckon he'll end up with her.

ppeatfruit Sat 03-Nov-12 08:45:22

OOh Pooka good idea but marry a KITCHEN MAID shock even if he WAS a chauffeur he climbed the social ladder didn't he? Of course he IS an Irish catholic so maybe it would be what the Upstairs would expect!

Martha my sunday's won't be the same either sad I hope there's a Christmas special. The problem with stuff on at Xmas is I'm always too busy to watch sad again BOO.

ErikNorseman Sat 03-Nov-12 11:23:48

Daisy will climb quite a few rungs when she gets the farm. I don't see her with Pickle though.

squoosh Sat 03-Nov-12 11:50:33

I can't see Pickles going from Sybil's husky tones to Daisy's shrieky squawkiness.

I agree Erik that Daisy will climb a few rungs when she goes to the farm, a few rungs up into the haybarn with her father in law. They'd make a lovely January-December coupling! Will-eeeee-ummmm's ghost might not be thrilled however.

diddl Sat 03-Nov-12 12:00:31

Daisy & Pickles?

He´d expect her to hand him the farm whilst she stayed at home with baby Sybil, wouldn´t he?

ppeatfruit Sat 03-Nov-12 13:41:45

I LIKE Daisy she's got spirit; but Mrs. Patmore says she's in love with the wrong man (she's done that twice; she fancied Thomas the 'ladies man' grin) much better to go for gorgeous James and they can run the farm together. When old FIL KTB.

BTW squoosh I think you'll find that the Daisy & FIL idea was mine originally grin

Fiderer Sat 03-Nov-12 13:44:20

Is Daisy's PaInLaw's farm on the Downton Estate? I always assumed it was v far away, not that I've any idea how large the estate is. Some comment from Willyum about visiting his mum on his next half-day as it was so far.

PaInLaw mentioned to Daisy she was well thought of at the "big house", did he mean Downton?

There's a trailer showing Lord 6 being all chummy with Branson at a cricket match. Maybe they bond over the smell of linseed oil and the sound of leather on willow.

ppeatfruit Sat 03-Nov-12 13:55:37

It could be far away AND on the estate grin Fiderer it's effing big IMO. I'm sure her FIL meant Downton.

squoosh Sat 03-Nov-12 14:01:40

Oh dear, you should have copyrighted.

Fiderer Sat 03-Nov-12 14:11:01

Yes, must be on the Downton estate, ppeat, no other "big house" would have an opinion of Daisy. A widow as tenant, and a former kitchen maid- turned-assistant cook to boot, what'd that do to the, erm, hierarchy of the lower orders?

ppeatfruit Sat 03-Nov-12 14:29:12

Yes but things were getting a little more flexible around the 20s weren't they?

Fiderer Sat 03-Nov-12 14:51:00

Hope so. I love Carson's outraged eyebrows grin

Better than Lord Fatty BumBum's horror, he's been particularly nasty the last few episodes.

ppeatfruit Sat 03-Nov-12 15:32:07

Yes poor old Lord FB can't cope with the change at all can he? grin

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sat 03-Nov-12 23:53:36

Ooooh aaaaaaah it's count down to Downton time!
<<note to self: buy red wine and dark chocolate to build up iron levels>>
grin grin grin

GeorginaWorsley Sun 04-Nov-12 20:16:23

Edith's child would not inherit even if a boy.
After Lord Grantham has to be nearest male relative,ie Matthew.
Reckon Mary will have a boy but perhaps Matthew off scene next series..... as Dan Steven's in America.

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 20:58:57

I've just endured 5 mins of the X-Factor. Bloody hell, it takes something to make the ITV ads seem like a relief.

JugglingWithPossibilities Sun 04-Nov-12 21:05:25

Just waiting for DH and DS to finish their game of Othello, then I get the telly and sofa - past DS's bedtime already really ! Is it the last episode then ? Ooh, looking forward to that then smile

ScorpionQueen Sun 04-Nov-12 21:05:49

I'm watching it a bit later so will use all of my willpower to keep away from this thread for an hour or so.
Enjoy, hope it's fab.

snice Sun 04-Nov-12 21:06:20

Pregnant surely

44SoStartingOver Sun 04-Nov-12 21:11:47

Must be pg. unexplained tiredness - more reliable than clear blue

ErikNorseman Sun 04-Nov-12 21:11:53

Mary's preggo but won't tell Matthew - why?

44SoStartingOver Sun 04-Nov-12 21:13:02

Scared to get his hopes up? Advice from gyne - do it once a month?

ProphetOfDoom Sun 04-Nov-12 21:13:03

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Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:14:58

She looks too worried to be pregnant. Is it because of Sybil?

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 21:15:19

Ooh - Thomas and Pickle could go on the run together, like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 21:15:52

I would be vair happy if the extra minutes were spent showing a slow-mo of O'Brien breaking her neck falling down the stairs. Evil.

snice Sun 04-Nov-12 21:16:12

pregnant or ill-there is no such thing as just 'being tired' in an ITV drama

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:16:28

But then she must tell Matthew, Schmaltzing - otherwise all those posts about Matthew going off with Edith may come true!

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:18:03

Or maybe not with Edith...

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 21:18:32

I'm slightly traumatised this is the last one. Was away last Sunday and stupid recordy box didn't record it so had to wait till today to see last weeks.

Have red wine to ease the pain

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 21:18:39

I wonder if they could frame O'Brien for the murder of Vera Bates? That'd be good.

awbless Sun 04-Nov-12 21:19:23

Who's this visiting?

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 21:20:31

I feel very, very, sad for Thomas, and I've never like him.

Levantine Sun 04-Nov-12 21:21:20

Me too

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 21:21:46

shock I thought we were going to see Bates naked again! My poor retinas!

Levantine Sun 04-Nov-12 21:22:02

Rose is a bit of a nightmare isn't she

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:22:24

I think Bates may come to the rescue of Thomas.
Mind you I thought a minute ago Bates was about to murder whatsaname - I was quite frightened in that cottage.

toomuch2young Sun 04-Nov-12 21:22:35

Poor Thomas sad.
Please don't let this be the last series for good?!

Levantine Sun 04-Nov-12 21:23:54

Oh no poor Thomas

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:25:13

Could Thomas take over from Ethel as the cook at Isabel's?

Ooh suspense - what is Mary doing?

GeorginaWorsley Sun 04-Nov-12 21:25:33

perhaps another pregnany with complications.....can't stand it!!!
feel sorry for Thomas

UltraBOF Sun 04-Nov-12 21:25:39

I adore Edith's wardrobe and hair. Those Marcel waves!

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:26:20

Ok I actually adore Mrs Hughes.

toomuch2young Sun 04-Nov-12 21:26:57

Poor Thomas sad.
Please don't let this be the last series for good?!

toomuch2young Sun 04-Nov-12 21:27:51

Oops double post daft phone.
I really dislike bates. Mrs Hughes is lovely.

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 21:28:07

I really hope Thomas doesn't kill himself sad

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:28:26

Somebody say something - what's going on between Thomas and Bates?

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 21:30:21

Thomas did his best to get Bates sacked in series 1. When Batesxwas in prison Thomas took over as valet to Lord G but now Bates is out Thomas is being sacked. So no love lost.

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 21:30:30

Rose is awful, isn't she? Violet's niece's daughter - but Lord 6 seems to have no knowledge of her? confused

GreatAuntMaud Sun 04-Nov-12 21:31:14

Yeah poor Thomas. Never liked him but he looks so broken now sad.

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 21:32:46

How shit, to be thought of a disgusting just because you're a man who fancies men.

Wonder if Bates will come good for poor Thomas. O'brien has taken it too far.

Give him a reference you big meanies

think there wil be another series (has to be) it'll be all flappers and Fatty Bum Bum and Carson being constantly shocked

reindeerjumper Sun 04-Nov-12 21:34:18

Mary is definitely upduffed

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:34:26

Thanks slightly - but what was happening in that conversation in the woods?

Thomas seemed......menacing. Did he follow Bates to London and see him baking the pie, or something? or are we awaiting Bates' coming to Thomas' rescue so that we all know he is perfect. A sidelong glance from Bates at Miss O'B in the kitchen suggests this might be the case.

toomuch2young Sun 04-Nov-12 21:35:40

Yes let Bates get his former goodness back and help Thomas!!

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:38:25

reindeer I sort of agree, but why does Mary need Matthew not to be on the earlier train? Is there some strange practice the London doc has advised her to carry out at 2pm in the afternoon?

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 21:45:32

Big girls blouse!?

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 21:46:00

"Big girls blouse" might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Lord 6 is about to come in and shout 'WAZZUP' and Cora declare the cricket match 'the shizzle'.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 21:47:32

Is Jimmy actually gay and in denial maybe? If Thomas tops himself I'm going to be most displeased!

Mollydoggerson Sun 04-Nov-12 21:48:39

Edith is wearing a fake tie!

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 21:48:47

Lol trib.

I think Thomas is on the edge. Dunno what the woods thing was about.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 21:48:59

Also Matthew said 'you had stuff to sort out' aswell. Didn't sound quite right either!

Mollydoggerson Sun 04-Nov-12 21:49:36

Bates is way better looking painting.

UltraBOF Sun 04-Nov-12 21:50:02

I've just looked up the origin of Big Girl's Blouse, and it seems to date from the 1960s. ROFL at "the shizzle" grin

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 21:50:20

I thought Mary would be doing up a surprise nursery before 3pm.

But now I think the Tyrk probably gave her an STD.

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 21:50:34

Did anyone know if Thomas knows about O Brien and the soap (I know it was asked below, but i don't think there was an answer). If so, and Bates tells Thomas that O'B was behind the Jimmy plot, maybe that will be the solution?

What the heck re Mrs Levinson?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 21:50:40

Tyrk? Turk.

dapplegrey Sun 04-Nov-12 21:51:14

Yes Big Girls Blouse and also the taxi driver saying 'on Greek St'. Saying on a street is a relatively recent American import. Until a few years ago it was 'in' a street, eg 'I went shopping in the Fulham Rd' or 'her office was in Park Lane'.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 21:51:26

I don't think the woods bit was anything ominous surely? I think Thomas was just dwelling on the fact that Bates now has the kind of life that Thomas should have, if only he was straight.

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 21:52:54

Well I believe some characters are leaving but I would like hot Thomas to stay and if he does leave it had better not be suicide!

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 21:54:42

Every week I yearn to dab some blusher on Mary's peaky cheeks.

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 21:54:51

Jjust looked up big girls blouse too there's some specualtion it entered in to language in Northen England in the 1840s along with shirty, though as girl's shirt.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 21:56:31

If the turk gave her an std wouldn't it have been picked up by now? That was years ago now, way before the war. Plus they never had full sex either did they?

Wow, the Lord actually just made a very funny joke.

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 21:58:04

The soap, the soap!

ErikNorseman Sun 04-Nov-12 21:59:55

What operation could Mary have had?

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:00:30

Why do they keep saying 'stuff'?

reindeerjumper Sun 04-Nov-12 22:02:42

Her tubes?

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:03:19

Its got to be the soap incident! Its got to be!!

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 22:03:36

Loving the suitably ominous music.

Dread to think what op Mary might have had, 1920s medicine has not done a great job in this series confused

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 22:03:53

what was the joke wintera? I don't think I noticed. (Liked the Ponzi reference though...)

Sorry everyone, I think that we now have to accept, finally, that Bates is a goodie.

GreatAuntMaud Sun 04-Nov-12 22:04:39

Did "batting for the other side" exist as a phrase at the time?

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 22:06:03

Op for Fibroids?

GeorginaWorsley Sun 04-Nov-12 22:06:24

I thought Mary would announce pregnancy tonight.
Must be xmas special!!!

bryonywhisker Sun 04-Nov-12 22:06:34


tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 22:06:46

Maud - so far it turns out JF is playing the same 'hilarious' joke on his viewers every week, of introducing phrases that sound too modern for the time but aren't. Zzzzzzzz. This definitely isn't the shizzle.

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:07:55

I think the 'batting for the other side' phrase sounds public school/crickety

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:08:57

I feel sorry for O'Brien.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:09:24

The joke was when he said 'if I'd shouted every time someone tried to kiss me at Eaton I'd have been hoarse within a month!'

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 22:09:26

Has Edith found out something about the editor?

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:10:37

Why would they have a massive Van Dyke of Charles I in the breakfast room?

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 22:11:11

i think eeditor got something to do with jilter one

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:11:35

Is the editor going to be married?

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 22:13:50

ijiter one = who Edith was supposed to marry as I've forgotten his name

GreatAuntMaud Sun 04-Nov-12 22:15:31

Ooh Edith is Jane Eyre now.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:16:46

Oh ffs - she didn't mind married men when she was rolling around in the hay with that farmer!!

And now he's got a mad wife - its all going a bit Jane Eyre!

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 22:16:49

edith there's no future in it - keep the job but do not go out with the editor. Great beret though.

Can't believe Bates is now stuck with Thomas staying!

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:16:58

At least he doesn't have her locked in the attic I suppose. Poor Edith, she just can't catch a break where the gentleman callers are concerned.

GeorginaWorsley Sun 04-Nov-12 22:17:29

Poor Edith....will fall in lve with someone she can never have.Again!

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:18:11

I forgot about her groping that married farmer!

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:19:12

Run a mile Edith!

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 22:19:32

Never read Jane Eyre. Might give it a go now

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:19:42

Ah the farmer thing was back when she was a bitch.

Get to the bottom of it, arf

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:24:48

Alfred has grassed him up!

ErikNorseman Sun 04-Nov-12 22:24:52

Oh no! Bloody tall footman twat.

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 22:26:29

Oh no - Alfred!
Ah, Lord G - useless with money, but a lovely lovely person after all.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:26:48

Lol! Can he be called the bloody tall footman twat from now on please?

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:27:31

Goodness me, such a liberal household, not at ALL unusual for the era!!!

ErikNorseman Sun 04-Nov-12 22:28:47

Do you think Mary might have had ovarian cysts? Don't fancy 1920s treatment for that - ouch

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:29:42

I'm sure Jimmy will turn out to be gay. He's just in denial, I'm telling you!!

GeorginaWorsley Sun 04-Nov-12 22:29:45

Liked that last shot,the three men together.

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:30:11

Hey Pickles, why don't you phone Lost Property they may know where your long lost principles are!!!!!!

Worst Republican/Socialist firebrand ever!

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Sun 04-Nov-12 22:30:46

Gosh, that slow-mo running at the end looked like something from a Pedigree Chum advert.

Alfred is a right dipstick. Let's hope his lovely auntie falls off get broomstick in the Christmas Special.

Moln Sun 04-Nov-12 22:31:25

Not liking the everyone's happy it all worked out in the end ending

There should have been a cliff hanger.

This cannot be the end.

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 22:31:52

Pickle will be off to Spain in a few years to explain to the Communists they just need to get to know the toffs better and the whole Civil War can be averted. Pickle is going to alter the course of European history - Sybil's legacy.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:32:20

That was a really good episode. I like Bates again.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:32:33

I hope we see more of Fast Cousin Rose.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:33:36

I really hope Thomas is a bit less of dickhead to everyone now though. Especially Bates. Just a smidge of character development would be nice.

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 22:34:13

I can see Branston's point though about staying in the house - nice for gigantic baby Sybil to grow up with the relations, including the new little prince cousin Mary and Matthew are now utterly confident that they will produce.
(And maybe Edith baby if she decides to adopt the unconventional route?)

Mollydoggerson Sun 04-Nov-12 22:36:52

Giant Baby Sybs to marry teeny weeny cousin baby matty.

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 22:37:03


Pickles has grown too fond of Egyptian cotton sheets, fancy food and being a toff by proxy.

Visualarts Sun 04-Nov-12 22:37:17

What was the point of the cousin Rose story? Just a bit of light comedy? Not sure how she pushed the plot forward. (though loved Aunt Ros' comment 'how expensive!')

Mollydoggerson Sun 04-Nov-12 22:39:22

I think cousin Rose will lead Edith astray, slowly but surely Edith's love will grow for editor man and she will shack up with a married man by the end of next series.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:40:20

I've just said the same thing! What was the point of the London stuff at all? Convoluted plot development to get Edith in the city to cop for the editor?

UltraBOF Sun 04-Nov-12 22:43:00

How did Thomas know about the soap? O'Brien wasn't very proud of herself- I can't see her ever mentioning it.

ProphetOfDoom Sun 04-Nov-12 22:44:42

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 22:45:07

I think we're supposed to assume that he guessed after her strange reaction after it occurred. I don't think she ever told him outright.

PhyllisDoris Sun 04-Nov-12 22:45:34

What could the "small operation" that Mary had be?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:46:31

Ah I liked the London stuff, it was nice to get out of Downton for ten minutes.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Sun 04-Nov-12 22:46:44

And we got to see some Jazz music!

zamantha Sun 04-Nov-12 22:51:10

Barrow is such a toad who always comes up smelling of roses.

Mary will hear about the soap and two and two will be put together and the nasty secret will be out.

Mollydoggerson Sun 04-Nov-12 22:52:00

I agree Jimmy is in fact gay, and now Lord G has given the nod that he supports gay love, his relationship with Thomas can blossom

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 04-Nov-12 22:57:16

THe bar of soap can now fester in the background until suitable plot crisis looms again. Or someone has to leave.
Complete roller coaster. Thomas is leaving but with reference, leaving with no reference, leaving with reference, staying and being promoted and finally hero of the cricket match.
<<sighs happily>>

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 04-Nov-12 23:01:08

Loving Edith's style too. Although Mary is the epitome of elegance. She reminds me somewhat of Wallis Simpson.
Did we all say Jane Eyre in unison when the editor explained himself? Anyway FGS they have met 3 times!

allisvanity Sun 04-Nov-12 23:02:07

Mary must have had some kind of toob clearance ... confused ... can't think what else it might be ... must have been pretty painful can't believe she wouldn't mention it to her husband....

Lady Leveson though ... was that some sort of in joke?

And how can lord G and Carson be so understanding of homosexuality and so dismissive of prostitution at the time (Tom / Ethel) ... oh wait ..... Ethel was a woman!!!

Level3at6months Sun 04-Nov-12 23:02:19

Ha! I shouted 'Jane Eyre' very loudly and got odd looks grin

allisvanity Sun 04-Nov-12 23:03:57

We shouted "Jane Eyre" here too ... grin

UmBongo Sun 04-Nov-12 23:04:11

Sorry, late to catch on, what's with 'er ladyships soap?

allisvanity Sun 04-Nov-12 23:06:16

I don't think O'Brien ever told anyone, let alone Thomas - about the soap incident.

In series two when she was all "i won't have nothing bad said against my lady" he was confused as to why she was so loyal....

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 04-Nov-12 23:10:30

Bates is creeping me out.

allisvanity Sun 04-Nov-12 23:16:02

Can't really believe Lord G would be soooo tolerant to having a gay chap as his personal servant / matter how often he came across it a public school

Esp in light of his storming of Isobels house re the prostitute working there...

Unless, as i mused earlier - one rule for women and one for men

allisvanity Sun 04-Nov-12 23:16:41

Enjoyed the more butched up Matthew though tonight ... dancing with rose

squoosh Sun 04-Nov-12 23:19:59

Downton was obviously a liberal utopia. Like much of Yorkshire in the 1920s............

wintera Sun 04-Nov-12 23:22:43

The soap incident was in series one. Her ladyship was pregnant and O'Brian was under the false impression she was about to be dismissed. She put a bar of soap on the floor so her ladyship would fall and have an accident. She went to change her mind but it was too late and Cora slipped and lost the baby which was revealed to have been a boy so would have been an heir.

allisvanity Sun 04-Nov-12 23:26:45

Carson had a history of being in the theatre too ... a was revealed by a 'would be' blackmailer in the first series... i find it hard to believe he may not have come across a friend of Dorothy before...grin

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Sun 04-Nov-12 23:29:12

If Thomas stays on then he MUST be given some luvin.

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 04-Nov-12 23:39:46

Just finished watching on +1. So, like Montel, here are my final thoughts:

Cricket is such a civilising influence, isn't it? Just once village game has the power to un-dissidentify Irish Firebrands and lure them back to the Big House. Cricket can also unite a divided house after a (gay) scandal.

I don't get the liberal tendencies shown by Lord 6 tonight. He's not come across as remotely liberal or modern at any other time, why now? Ref all his comments on Catholics this series, and on Turks/Eastern 'gentlemen' in S1.

Where did Pickle's Oirish Drunken brother go, that walking stereotype? Did he sod off once he found out that the village garage idea wasn't a goer? Why do they introduce characters for a millisecond only for them to go again so quickly?

Hating Lady Rose - well, the acting, specifically. She is dreadful, and about as posh as a hedgehog. Despite my previous point, I wish that she disappears, never to be seen or mentioned again.

And lastly - I thought that Anna did a very good job on that cottage, and I would like to live there please.

limitedperiodonly Sun 04-Nov-12 23:42:38

Was it Thomas who told about the soap? Why didn't he threaten her himself? Lord 6 came over unconvincingly liberal in the end. And I'd have thought Carson would have been more relaxed about the gays. He was in vaudeville for a while wasn't he? Loved the JF Ladybird Book Of Historical References - Oscar Wilde and Ponzi. Poor Edith can't get a lucky break can she? Plus all this travelling to London is a bit tiresome. Giant Baby Sybil seemed to have shrunk a bit. Would Mary have called herself mr. What was the 3 o'clock train business about the other week. Why are she and Matthew going to the same doctor? Don't like new footman or that freakishly tall one either.

limitedperiodonly Sun 04-Nov-12 23:45:41

Would mary have called herself Mrs levinson - I mean. However mrs L's cleaner was one of my fave characters from League of Gentlemen.

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 04-Nov-12 23:53:13

Levinson was Cora's maiden name. Shirley Maclaine was Martha Levinson, IIRC.

moajab Sun 04-Nov-12 23:58:32

Ooh I didn't shout Jane Eyre. I shouted Charles Cartwright! He's from an Agatha Christie story where the plot hinges on someone being married to a mad woman he can't divorce, even though he wants to marry someone else. And after Vera's poison halo, I think JF must be an Agatha Christie fan. (wonders if Christmas special might involve a body in the library and those two policemen might be back accompanied by a Belgian friend...)

Visualarts Mon 05-Nov-12 06:40:00

I also can't see why Mary would have gone nom de plume - Dr Ryder is a respectable doc, and she told her mother about it, after all.

Also, would Mary really have been able to have an op in secret - surely in those days it would have been several days in hospital, not a day trip to London? (Plus I think the op turned out to have been a few weeks ago, so why the day trip to London earlier that week?) And if she'd been fending Matthew off for weeks, surely he would have said something by now - after all he is quite modern.

I did like the '3 men' together at the end, heartwarming as it was. But I agree a cliff hanger would have been good...

And how is it that I still secretly think Bates murdered Vera even when he has rescued Thomas?

limitedperiodonly Mon 05-Nov-12 07:43:31

Ah yes. Levinson is Cora's name.

Agree with visualarts. Surely whatever it was it would have been quite a big procedure involving a stay and satin bedjackets and maidly attention. Perhaps even permission from your husband about fiddling with your bits too (don't know about that that, though).

My mum - born at that time in a working class family - maintains that infertility is a modern invention possibly brought about by the pill (???) though she has no concrete theories when tested and looks horrified when asked to talk about rude details.

She bases it all on the fact that families of at least seven children were common and pregnancies every year whether surviving or not were usual. When I say there must have been couples who didn't have children she just goes all Cissy and Ada on me and makes kind of 'down there' gestures grin.

She's one of four whose mother died shortly after giving birth to her and her twin. She knows that if her mother had lived there would have been more children. Her father never remarried and gave up a relatively lucrative job at sea to keep them together. We don't talk about it though - she's very secretive - the death of her mother is cloaked in mystery too. For years I thought she'd died in childbirth but now I think it was from some kind of infection some unspecified time after the birth. Why is my mum so secretive? I think it's a feeling of shame that it was somehow her mother's failing or father's fault. It's real and not worth pressing her on it.

It was undoubtedly hard and she idolises him. But I also think that the fact that there weren't that many of them definitely meant they were better off than neighbours.

Like the idea that Bates is a murderer. It would make him more interesting.

When Bates strode across the room to Anna and threw whatever it was out the way I must admit to a horror scream. Yuk! He looks like her sweaty Dad.

Was hoping Matthew and Edith would end up shagging in London but all we got was Rose.....

janesnowdon1 Mon 05-Nov-12 08:49:12

What sort of "op" would mary have had? and exactly what for? -fibroids? Much preferred the theory that she had caught an STI from Pamuk.

The firebrand Irish commie is not talking about profits and evicting tenants.Thomas gets promoted, bigger salary etc so he can play in a cricket match?? - all bonkers

Animation Mon 05-Nov-12 08:49:21


Fancy calling your wife a 'lunatic' and 'mad' eh - in the 'asylum!! More predudice highlighted (thanks JF) in attitudes to mental illness!

Stay away from this one Edith - though Jane Eyre still is one of my favourite books.

ppeatfruit Mon 05-Nov-12 09:19:56

Anyone think that Mary had a retroverted womb hence small op to 'clip' it into place? i'm not a gynae expert but I know it's not a big op.

Well everyone was complaining DA was too slow and we have 1 affair with a married man and 1 nearly! Then JAZZ fgs shock plus cricket and the police turning up about a nr. gay affair! what more is needed eh?

MorrisZapp Mon 05-Nov-12 09:20:35

Next week on Channel 4:

Anna's Handmaid House. Anna Bates transforms a meagre estate cottage into prime period property using only her wit and ingenuity. *

*and a few gallons of F&B 'Happy Valet'.

Next week, join Anna as she works tirelessly from her kitchen table, starting up her knick knack business, Not In The Outbuildings.

dapplegrey Mon 05-Nov-12 09:32:28

Animation - those were the sort of expressions they used in those days. If the dialogue had been written in 21st century terms then it would have been completely implausible.

Animation Mon 05-Nov-12 09:42:03

Yes, it was all happening shock- and Lord G saved the day!! Who would have thought. As did Bates - no fooling him, he was straight on to Miss O'Brien.

Hope Thomas finds love now in the Christmas episode - maybe with James. There was one shot on the Cricket pitch where James was looking over at Thomas' fabulous batting - was that that a look of love?

Animation Mon 05-Nov-12 09:50:57

Dapplegrey - I know doesn't it sound awful though - and I thought it still felt bit derogatory to me to refer to your your wife as completely mad. There was room for tact and kindness I thought - presumimg she does have severe mental health illness, and he's not driven her to the asylum - as some men did in those days.

UltraBOF Mon 05-Nov-12 10:40:04

MorrisZapp grin

ZZZenAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 10:49:38

I agree with you Hazel, Rose was gahhh. What was she wearing fgs?! Can't believe that sailor outfit with the bunched up tiered skirt and the scraggly hairdo.

I liked the cricket scene, especially all the white floaty dresses. It feels pretty tied up now, doesn't it? Mary and Matthew will have a baby soon, Ethel will be near Charlie slowly being accepted by Mrs Bryant, the estate is sorted, Tom and GBS are sorted, Thomas has a better job, no conviction, Jimmy has been promoted and Edith is back on track for spinsterhood.

squoosh Mon 05-Nov-12 10:51:58

I don't think there's any point speculating the nature of Mary's gynaecological problems. This is JF, we're talking about, I'm sure he didn't have an actual condition in mind. With one whoosh of his pen it means just one day trip to London all is healed and she'll be pregnant in 6 months!

Similar medical wizadry as brought on Cousin Matthew's tingles.

squoosh Mon 05-Nov-12 10:53:03

But how are they going to write Cousin Matthew out of the story? Dan Stevens has dropped heavy hints that he'd like to scarper.

ZZZenAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 10:55:47

has to die I suppose, falls off a horse maybe hunting or is overseeing work on the estate and has a fatal accident such as a building collapsing on him.

ZZZenAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 10:57:28

car crash?

squoosh Mon 05-Nov-12 11:12:24

No he needs to die in a really mundane way

Heart attack brought on by a sneeze
Tureen of soup falls on his head

Or he could go the way of Pamuk. Lady Mary and her Killer Vagina.

ZZZenAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 11:28:33

If Alfred is holding it, the tureen is falling from a great height. Perhaps that is why the were so aghast at having a tall footman. Dangerous

Limelight Mon 05-Nov-12 11:47:52

The 3 men together bit at the end did rather remind me of this:

'I am Lord G and I know all about responsibility for I am upper class. I wouldn't be seen dead knowing about trade (shudder) but I am very egalitarian when it comes to cricket, assuming you're on my team of course'.

'I am Matthew and I know all about business and the law for I am middle class. I'm very frustrated by the stuck in the mud upper classes, but would really rather my working class chum conformed and didn't make a scene'.

'I am Pickle and I am a hard worker and know a bit about planting things for I am working class. I know my place (despite having been an activist type three minutes ago).'

But we all come together for the good of the massive dead posh house. Hurrah!

God, I love Downton...


ZZZenAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 12:09:57

cricket the great leveller. It was a good episode this one. I liked it.

Maybe Matthew will die a hero's death. Runs into a burning building to save a tenant's child and dies in the process, something like that. Could get himself a plane and go down in it. I like Matthew and Pickles as a team, they're a better team than M & M IMO. I think we will miss Matthew if he goes

MrsjREwing Mon 05-Nov-12 12:33:31

Matthew will die in WW2, leaving downton to his Son Mary will be pregnant with at Christmas.

UltraBOF Mon 05-Nov-12 12:45:34

He'll be too old to serve in WW2, so unless Downton becomes so successful under his geeenius business plans that the Germans decide to bomb it like the docks and heavy industry, I can't see him being killed really. Also, I don't think that they will jump to WW2 with the same actors- they'd have to have them all in stupid ageing make-up.

MrsjREwing Mon 05-Nov-12 12:47:46

They have jumped 10 -15 years already.

squoosh Mon 05-Nov-12 12:48:53

But if the actor leaves, and they don't kill him there'll be a lot of 'Oh you just missed Matthew', 'oh Matthew's working late tonight' for the next 3 series.

I like the idea of ridiculously tall ginger footman clobbering him with a serving implement and Matthew face down, dead, in his consommé.

IAmSheWhoMustBeObeyed Mon 05-Nov-12 13:04:24

So what could happen in the next series? It will be the twenties and maybe thirties. Um general strike? I don't know what happened of great importance then. Or will it focus more on the estate and family.
Off the top of my head (are you taking note JF?):
Matthew will go great guns with the estate through struggles with the economic climate.
Mary will produce an heir and then have an affair. Matthew will be horribly upset but then have a fling himself in his turmoil. They will then reconcile and produce another child.
Edith will become a groundbreaking journalist, clashing with Lord G and Matthew over the plight of the working man. She will go to jazz clubs, have some romantic encounters but no marriage yet. The editors wife will however die and then he and Edith will finally get together.
Lord G will sink into a brandy and cigar induced stupor and spend most his day in an armchair in the library.

MarthasHarbour Mon 05-Nov-12 13:05:27

i too wondered whether editor bloke had placed his wife in the asylum. reading Jennifer Worth's books at the mo and she alludes to that.

limited i did grin at your mothers take on fertility in the early 20th century. My nan also goes all Cissy and Ada (my late nan was called Ada and was just like her too!)

tribpot Mon 05-Nov-12 13:19:11

"infertility is a modern invention" would have been a great comfort to Anne Boleyn!

potoftea Mon 05-Nov-12 13:23:24

Did anyone else notice that the women were not wearing dark clothes at the cricket match? Surely they should be in mourning for a year after Sybil's death, no?

Arithmeticulous Mon 05-Nov-12 13:30:26

When Bates strode across the room to Anna and threw whatever it was out the way I must admit to a horror scream. Yuk! He looks like her sweaty Dad

Indeed. I think he needed to save the day in that episode to put an end to Sweaty Betty Bates and get back to being thought of as Bates the Love God.

ppeatfruit Mon 05-Nov-12 13:39:28

Bates does look slimmer and more human though. He looks fanciable again grin

UltraBOF Mon 05-Nov-12 13:52:37

Yes, I agree about the mourning. They are all remarkably chipper, considering the Giant Baby Sybil has shrunk and looks younger now than when she was born.

MrsjREwing Mon 05-Nov-12 14:11:02

I thought that too about the baby.

MarthasHarbour Mon 05-Nov-12 14:11:04

AND they were jaunting about a Jazz club, yes yes i realise that they were whisking cousin Rose away from certain shame, but, well really, they were wearing bright clothes and everything.

secretly-wishes Matthew would whisk 'me' onto a Jazz club floor in that manner <swoon>

LadyHarrietdeSpook Mon 05-Nov-12 14:13:52

AM I the only one who thought it was pretty believable last night? I mean all the Thomas stuff. And also relative to JF's general track record of story lines that beggar belief.

I mean that it's not inconceivable theyw ould have just preferred to brush it all under the carpet. I can see that avoiding scandal would have been the main thing, even if the tolerance was overplayed. Totally believable they would have sent those police officers packing. I thought that was quite well observed, the attitude that the law doesn't apply to US sort of thing. Even though of course those laws were horrible. Set against the backdrop of a charming cricket match on a sunny day in the countryside. Culminating in the shot with matthew tom and Lord Fatty...

maybe in the next series we'll discover it was all someone's dream...or it will be Mary or Edith in their 90s telling the story to a narrator...

I do actually think Julian Fellows would be on surer ground doing a prequel, like he's proposed. I don't think the 30s will suit him.

Fairly electric, Matthew on his own with Edith, and dancing with Rose in the nightclub. Imagine if JF had been time to go with that, an infidelity or two. It was back to old series 1 territory for a brief moment there...

The spying was priceless: Edith ringing up doing enquiries on the editor (JF couldn't resist the mad as a hatter Mr Rochester angle - WHY does he always seem to 'spice up' the wrong bits and miss huge opportunities elsewehre...?) and Violet getting to the bottom of Rose's goings on. "I thought you told her!" "I thought you told her! I just filled in the blanks." That woman is unparallelled.

(Apropos of nada, Did PIPPA MIDDLETON have a: How to do a 'Downton Day' section in her latest book?! She should have!)

Arithmeticulous Mon 05-Nov-12 14:14:29

It's probably not the same baby, you know that? wink

ZZZenAgain Mon 05-Nov-12 14:21:47

they are in and out of mourning as it suits them. One day a pale outfit, next day it is mauve again

NuclearStandoff Mon 05-Nov-12 16:04:44

One of the (many) things that annoys me is the way they keep popping to London for a quick visit.

Downton is set in Yorkshire. It must have taken the best part of a day to get there in the 1930s or whenever this was supposed to be. They would not just have gone there on a whim, it would have taken major planning.

And another thing - what was the point of introducing that new girl cousin Rose who we never heard of before in the last episode of the series?

Also, am I the only one to intensely dislike Thomas? Gutted that he is surviving for another series.

Finally the virtual plagiarisation of Jane Eyre beggars belief. Can't JF think of his own plot lines?

Yet still, I remain addicted ....

NuclearStandoff Mon 05-Nov-12 16:08:38

Do love the speculation on here about the precise nature of mary's 'surgical procedure'! Only on Mumsnet ... don't suppose JF had a clue.

Maybe she had a vajazzle? That would be a nice surprise for Matthew.

ppeatfruit Mon 05-Nov-12 16:12:08

Arithmet they often use twins don't they? due to the performing laws or something,.

I reckon one of the best lines The Dowager Lady Violet has had in the whole series was about DCs; when Isobel says to her about loving\knowing yr DC's and that she thought that in her day they would've been washed and starched and shown to her for an hour a day after tea. And Violet replies "yes but EVERY day" grin grin

MarthasHarbour Mon 05-Nov-12 16:43:46

nuclear IKWYM - when i watched it last night, when Mary and Matthew were having lunch and she talked about her op 'down there' i thought of MN straight away! I am truly disappointed that we havent got to the bottom of it yet! wink

RatsInTheBelfry Mon 05-Nov-12 18:52:04

Michael Palin!!! grin - knew i'd get there in the end ... been racking my brains as to who the editor guy reminds me of.

RatsInTheBelfry Mon 05-Nov-12 18:54:07

The scene where Matthew was coming down the stairs in the clinic went on for a long time - would love to have the technical know how to do some editing so he was walking round and down them for aaaages....<helloooo life, is that you?>

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 05-Nov-12 19:07:19

YES, RatsInTheBelfry !!! I too was racking my brains. I've seen him on stage in stuff before, but never had the 'who do you look like?' moment, until last night.

But get this- have just googled him, and look what his wiki says?

In 2011 he played Michael Palin in Holy Flying Circus, a dramatisation of the controversy surrounding Monty Python's Life of Brian.[8] The film was nominated for a 2012 BAFTA for Best Single Drama.

RatsInTheBelfry Mon 05-Nov-12 19:16:41

grin - Fantastic McWitch

I've not seen Holy Flying Circus ... might have to now. Esp smile to see Steve Punt playing Eric Idle - as my DH looks a bit like both of them...

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 21:31:57

I think that on the whole it was a pretty shit series tbh.

The whole Robert/Matthew thing could have been more interesting I thought.

Tom at the house now-really??!!

And even Carson´s OK with ithmm

Mr Barrow still not got rid ofhmm

I can´t believe that Lord Twatty would be so pissed off about what Matthew was trying to do & yet so accepting of what Thomas had done.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Mon 05-Nov-12 22:51:38

It MUST have been a Turk-related STD, because why else would she have used a fake name at the doctors?? Why not just be Lady Mary?

squoosh Mon 05-Nov-12 22:57:24

It's not a Turk related STD, that was two series ago, that incident has long left JF head. It was a 'down there' problem that was a plot device to move the series to a happy conclusion.

squoosh Mon 05-Nov-12 22:59:15

The fake name was because problems of that sort were seen to be shameful. Anything lower than a sore throat was shameful.

limitedperiodonly Mon 05-Nov-12 23:39:32

The Giant Baby Sybils probably are played by twins like my friend's.

Evil Twin was apparently squashing Feeble Twin's umbilical cord so Evil Twin was over 8lb and Feeble Twin was 6lb-something.

Still pretty substantial babies. My friend had a caesarean for that birth and her 11lb-whopper next baby that dwarfed every other baby and a couple of midwives in the ward shock.