Doctor Who Geeks , new thread!

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TheAngelshavetheOod Sun 30-Sep-12 13:13:40

Hope no one else hasn't started one

cakebot River got to 1938 but the TARDIS couldn't. She said that it was because the vortex manipulator could sneak through

RustyBear Sun 30-Sep-12 13:19:35

Also if the TARDIS can't get through, maybe the Doctor can't either, because he's a Time Lord, so he's linked to the TARDIS - River isn't a Time Lord any more, so maybe not affected in the same way? When Jack became immortal, the doctor said he became a fixed point, a 'fact' and that he reacted against it, it was in his guts, he couldn't help it, and the TARDIS literally went to the end of the universe to get away from him. Maybe the Doctor is afraid the TARDIS would rip the earth apart if he tried to travel to Amy.

This conveniently ignores the fact that Jack has travelled on the TARDIS since, but only when the earth was pretty disrupted and out of its proper point in space and time anyway.

RustyBear Sun 30-Sep-12 13:33:18

choccyJules said on the old thread: I don't get it either, Aitch, cos Amy writing in the afterword of the book, is telling him to (paraphrasing) 'go to Amelia and tell her to be patient as she'll have fab adventures one day'. If he goes, well, he's there isn't he, so she'll stop waiting in the cold garden (or back in the house if she's sensible)...but of course he won't travel with her yet as she's a child SO when he turns up yet again and Amy's now a grown-up strippergram how come she gets so cross with him for not coming back in the inetervening years. If he's now (due to reading the book) going to do just that?

Sorry for the long quote, it's just so I don't have to keep popping back to the old thread to see what you said...

OK, the Amelia he is now going back to see (and the Amelia we saw in that clip two years ago) is the post-crack-mending Amelia. We don't know what she did when the Doctor came back.

But I would think that once the crack had been removed from Amelia's wall, she grew up with her parents, as normal, except that she had still met the Doctor when the TARDIS crashed in her garden, that he had promised her a ride, went to the moon and didn't come back. So she still grew up with an obsession about the raggedy doctor, biting psychologists and hoping he would come back. I think Amy asked the Doctor to go back to her younger self sitting waiting in the garden and tell her that he would come back to pick her up when she was older and she would do all those things, so that instead of thinking he'd forgotten about her and getting obsessed, she would just have faith that he would come back. So she would have a happier childhood.

Just don't ask me why Amelia's parents didn't notice the TARDIS crashing in their back garden. Perhaps they were just heavy sleepers....

SoupDragon Sun 30-Sep-12 13:33:33

I assumed that the ageing comments were not insecurity on River's part but the fact that she knew it pained the Doctor to see his companions wither in front of his eyes whilst he will go on.

visualarts Sun 30-Sep-12 13:42:19

On the "why is Amy still furious with him when he comes back and she's the strippagram if he's been to tell the Amelia on a suitcase that he will be back" question?
Surely she won't be the strippagram and furious with MS now - none of that series has happened now, because MS closed the crack and reset everything at the end of that series (can#t remember number) - just before the Amy/Rory wedding?

First time posting on these Doctor Who discussions. There's something still bothering me about the whole Amy story arc.

If in the rebooted universe the Doctor did crash land in Amy's garden and then come back to reassure her that he'd return (as we saw at the end of last night's episode), then why did Amy have to remember him at her wedding? Surely she would never have forgotten him if that had happened 12 years earlier? confused

visualarts Sun 30-Sep-12 14:31:02

A very good point clarabella.

Oh dear, all falling apart now!

Unless MS doesn't do what Amy tells him in the postscript - but what would be the point of that?

CaseyShraeger Sun 30-Sep-12 14:37:42

Basically, IIRC the Doctor hadn't (in post-crack timeline) ever done any of those things, because he'd never existed... UNTIL Amy remembered him, and that act of remembering caused him to exist (and to have always existed) after all, so that all that stuff had happened again.

<marking place to read later>

I wasn't quite feeling last nights episode, though am struggling to put my finger on why.

MurielTheActor Sun 30-Sep-12 14:42:39

I'm going along with RustyBear (because it's what I understood) as represented by the final shot that lovely sepia photograph of a very happy child.

Also didn't feel remotely threatened by the wrinkles thing and can totally get that the doctor would get freaked out by aging when he doesn't age himself.

I thought the whole episode was epic and a rightfully touching way to get rid of the Ponds. Felt truly bereft at the end.

CaseyShraeger Sun 30-Sep-12 14:52:59

The Moff could see it as a legitimate character trait for Eleven, Aitch, but aside from that one remark by River there's no evidence for it. Back on, and um, either Dinosaurs or Mercy, I forget, he remarked that the Ponds were looking older but he just seemed confused by it. Similarly in this one when he saw Amy's lines, he was confused then surprised but not sad. And when River gave him her blah blah blah husband with the face of a twelve-year-old speech he looked confused again. He HAS looked sad when someone (Amy in Dinosaurs, Brian in Power of Three) reminds him that he ultimately moves on and leaves his companions behind, but as you said that goes with the territory and he doesn't move around about it all the time. And like Ten he's in near-constant denial that it will ever happen to his current companions.

ChoccyJules Sun 30-Sep-12 19:45:17

I think I've got some of that now, thanks all.

Frankly when work colleagues call me a geek, they have no idea of the levels of geekdom out there! I'm a mere fan...

RustyBear Sun 30-Sep-12 20:32:41

I reported my last post on the old thread and cheekily asked MNHQ to redirect people here, because the last thread filled up without us noticing - I didn't really think they would, but they have! Thanks MNHQ!

TheAngelshavetheOod Sun 30-Sep-12 20:45:22


I was worried about loads of us starting a new thread at once.

Eggrules Sun 30-Sep-12 21:17:36

Please help me understand the end.

Why wouldn't the Doctor be able to see the Ponds ever again? The Doctor says Amy has a created a fixed point in time, why is this the case? The tombstone gave their ages but not the year they died. The fixed point is their death and not the rest of their life.

He also says NY could be blown apart if the TARDIS goes back - they could use the vortex thingy or travel in.

River can go and find them and so should be able to get Amy to leave a Hello Mummy/Doctor clue about the place.

I need to watch them all again.

melodyangel Sun 30-Sep-12 21:40:19

Ok I've probably come very late to the party, and forgot to bring a banana, and I haven't read most of the last threads but...

I think the doctor does like seeing River getting old because he knows what is going to happen, series 4 forest of the dead River says "This means you have always known how it will end" when she hooks herself up to CAL.

Arcadie Sun 30-Sep-12 22:08:29

And did I read the gravestone right? Didn't it say Amy was 5 years older than Rory when she died? Seems sad to outlive him afetr all that!

Eggrules Sun 30-Sep-12 22:10:11

Yep she was 87. No dates, just age at death.

Davros Mon 01-Oct-12 08:37:40

I didn't feel it at all either. Almost ready to abandon DW sadly. So is the Doctor freaked out by ageing, rather then people who are old? He has been pretty old himself (not counting the super ageing under The Master), William Hartnell anyone? I just can't wait for Merlin to start tbh. Why oh why did they choose another young guy to play DW and not someone a little more original and why oh why another dolly bird (OK with brains) as a companion? I am ready to go........

ExitPursuedByJKR Mon 01-Oct-12 08:49:21

I also wondered about why Amy was so much older than Rory on the headstone. And why their death would create a fixed point in time, as surely they were always going to die at some point.

<head spinning>

TheAngelshavetheOod Mon 01-Oct-12 08:52:10

She travelled with the Doctor for longer. So was older.
The angels fix it so you die at the same point you were taken I think

SoupDragon Mon 01-Oct-12 09:10:52

So is the Doctor freaked out by ageing, rather then people who are old?

I think it's not the ageing so much as his friends ageing before his eyes and the realisation he'll lose them. Imagine being immortal and seeing those you love age and die around you.

Davros Mon 01-Oct-12 10:05:11

I could feel the attachment with other people when DT was DW but just don't with MS. The stories are much better this series so far, loved he Daleks

SoupDragon Mon 01-Oct-12 10:09:04

I think MS is (or was) very fond of Amy and Rory. He ensured they could go back to an ordinary life and kept going back for them. He organised them an anniversary treat last week for example.

I don't think we will ever know the full story. Everyone seems to have different questions and Moffat will have to write an entire new series just to answer the questions everyone has.

I officially give up and will just watch as a casual viewer fro Christmas I think.

SoupDragon Mon 01-Oct-12 10:51:29

It may be that there isn't a full story and we're just reading too much into stuff.

This is why I hated English Lit - pulling apart a book that was written just to be enjoyed.

DreamingofSummer Mon 01-Oct-12 11:35:55

I had tears in my eyes at the end of this episode. One of the very best for a long time. I will miss Amy and Rory

cakebot Mon 01-Oct-12 12:08:05

Soup, yes I feel exactly the same but couldn't articulate it until you just said it1 Overanalysis of entertainment just makes it unejoyable IMO. My love of literature was nearly destroyed by my English degree- it was ages before I read a proper novel afterwards. I think Doctor Who is the same. I think you have to suspend disbelief and take it for what it is- entertainment. Not for everybody. I think MS has been a revelation in the role, but I know others don't like him. Practically, I don't think we'll get another 'older' Doctor. MS and the other actors have said that it takes over their lives to the exclusion of everything else, so it's more likely to be a young man's gig. DT had his kids almost immediately after leaving the show.

cakebot Mon 01-Oct-12 12:14:25

Exit Amy and Rory went to school together, so they were the same age, but she just outlived him when they were both sent back. Also, because of the no dates thing, maybe he wouldn't know where in time they were. I think it was a fixed point because once you read about your future it has to happen (probably made up by The Moff to explain the plot) so once her name was on the gravestone, he couldn't go back and get her, or maybe they just wanted to live their lives in peace, in an ordinary day and didn't want him popping in and out of their lives any more.

RustyBear Mon 01-Oct-12 12:57:40

The Angels don't always fix it that you die at the same point you were taken - we assume that the detective was taken the same day he saw himself die, and presumably Rory was intended to be taken the same day. Billy Shipton died the same day, but several hours later than the time he was taken and Kathy was taken in 2007 (at least that was when Blank was shown) but died in 1987.

RustyBear Mon 01-Oct-12 12:58:19

*Blink, not Blank!

ExitPursuedByJKR Mon 01-Oct-12 13:00:46

CAKE - I had given this a lot of thought whilst mucking out the horse. I presume that once they have 'died' then he can not go back to them later than the age they were when they were with him when they 'died'. Plus, in last week's episode Amy and Rory were toying with the idea of stopping travelling with the Doctor and staying put to get on with their lives, so maybe that is what happened. They lived happily ever after in New York.

<convinces self>

Dereksmalls Mon 01-Oct-12 13:07:05

Hi, I've come really late to this as I only watched the episode last night and I don't have time to read through the full thread to see if my answer is there so am looking for help here!

Are Amy and Rory stuck together in that building with the angels hanging around all the time and periodically bumping them back to a different point in time? If so, that sounds a bit shit. At least they have each other but - just the two of them for 60 years? I know Rory's already waited for a couple of millenia but it wouldn't go too well if that was DH and I... This doesn't feel very happy to me but Amy claimed to be in the epilogue so I feel I must be missing something - am I?

cakebot Mon 01-Oct-12 14:34:04

Derek, Don't worry, the apartment block disappeared in the Paradox, so they just went back in time to whenever, still in New York and lived a long and happy life together, according to the afterword in the book. Maybe River takes back a lottery ticket as well, so they can live in luxury ( and hopefully not live through the Great Depression or something!) Shame they didn't say anything else on their gravestone about Melody or any other children they may have adopted. Maybe I'm thinking about this too much...

ExitPursuedByJKR Mon 01-Oct-12 14:59:03

Maybe the gravestone will be revisited and contain more information in future episodes - like the dates they died.

snapespeare Mon 01-Oct-12 16:13:03

can we discuss whether they couuld leave 'the room' or not? am having intense discussion with friend, I maintain they were together and happy and lived out their lives peacefully, Amy becoming a publisher etc. He maintains they were stuck in the room and would have grown to loathe each other. (romance is apparently dead!)

The room didn't exist after they jumped off the building causing the paradox.

True romantic your friend!?

snapespeare Mon 01-Oct-12 16:18:58

thank you! i knew theer was something, I've just been allowing myself to get confused by paradoxes!

well, absolutely. as if Rory and Amy would hate each other! (apart from when house olded Rory in 'the doctors wife' and that wasn't real! (because everything else is!)

visualarts Mon 01-Oct-12 19:21:28

as far as I am concerned they lived in a beautiful brownstone building in New York. Sometimes they would go to central park to skate on a Sunday afternoon, other weekends they might go to Coney Island, or perhaps go north to Vermont to see the autumn leaves. They enjoyed salt beef sandwiches, and doughnuts. Of course they had the occasional tiff, but their love for each other was as strong when they died as the day that Amy ignored that selfish oaf of a doc, and went after Rory where she belonged!

(Do I make myself clear?)

cakebot Mon 01-Oct-12 21:52:49

Yes that's exactly what happened! The Doc must have been like a spare part by the end- they just wanted to be alone together- The postscript probably said "Look love, just bugger off and leave us alone, for Gods sake- you're supposed to be shagging our daughter and replenishing the Timelord species, not hanging around here with us!'

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Oct-12 23:17:27

Not only did I have to miss the live playout, my recording didn't work! Finally caught up on i player though.

I agree that I wasn't as moved by it as I have been by other companion departures. I do think it would be impossible to write a time travelling series without several paradoxes everywhere, so I don't give anyone a hard time for that. I did think the angels were brilliant in Blink but am not that scared of them now, the shock factor has gone.

Anyone else reminded of "The Gift" (Buffy, S5) at a certain Amy-Rory point? (just in case it's churlish not to spoiler alert decade-old sci fi)

Davros Tue 02-Oct-12 09:26:55

I would like to agree with Cakebot about over analysis spoiling what is supposed to be entertainment BUT I feel that we were lead that way by SM and maybe now he wants to go back to a simpler DW?!
I may have to change my name after 10 years on MN.....

hopefulgum Tue 02-Oct-12 11:57:19

visularts, I love what you said, and I feel like crying tears of joy(blub,blub...)

BiscuitCrumbsInBed Tue 02-Oct-12 22:22:41

I've read most of this thread and my brain started melting so I'm just going to forget it all and be happy with visualarts' lovely description of A&R's happy ever after. I am sad though that River can't have long left now she is a professor, and also thinking back to the episode in the library, pretty gutted for her! She dies to save the doctor who has no idea who she is, so no loving farewell, plus wasn't there some weird thing that she was 'saved' by the computer and lived a sort of dream life in a suburban semi with 3 kids in a scenario originally envisaged by Donna...?! I can't remember the details and I didn't care at the time, not knowing who she was, but now it seems a pretty sad ending for her. Anyone seen that episode recently, am I remembering it correctly?

Also, I was sad at the end, just before Amy disappeared, she called River 'Melody' and held out her hand to her, and River called her Mother. Sob. Altho I stil agree with whoever said above, I can't believe Amy let her go when she was a baby sad

BiscuitCrumbsInBed Tue 02-Oct-12 22:24:49

PS not that there's anything wrong with the 3 kids scenario just that it won't be as much fun as being a glamorous timetraveling professor detective type with killer lipstick!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 02-Oct-12 22:24:53

Biscuit I think River was reunited with her spaceship crew in the "virtual reality",

Pixel Wed 03-Oct-12 00:30:15

Just caught up with this thread!
I thought the Doctor went back to little Amy waiting in the garden once before, or did I imagine it? I remember him finding her asleep on her suitcase, saying "come on you" and picking her up. Then she was in bed asleep and he was telling her as story. (Wasn't it something to do with her remembering him at the wedding so that he would exist again or something?) come this time he went back and she was still awake? Did he go back just a little bit earlier before she fell asleep?

And, just to be pernickety, was I the only one who was madly irritated by Amy's glasses? She needs to find a better optician who can sell her a pair that will fit properly grin.

RustyBear Wed 03-Oct-12 07:27:14

Yes, he went back twice - the first time he went back, (at the end of series 5, after he'd steered the Pandorica into the heart of the exploding TARDIS, to allow its restoration field to touch every point in space and time and reset the universe, and when his life was 'rewinding') she was asleep. He put her in her bed and told her to remember him, old and new at the same time, in the TARDIS, which was borrowed and very very blue, before he went into the crack in her wall to finally allow it to close and so disappeared from history.

At her wedding a mysterious woman left her a blank old blue book and walked past the window - River, and her diary, now blank because the Doctor had never existed. The diary and the memory of something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue, helped her to remember the Doctor and bring him back.

The second time, from the Doctor's point of view was after Amy and Rory had gone, but from Amy's point of view before she fell asleep.

In fact, if the universe wasn't actually reset until the last crack was closed (the one in Amy's room, which the Doctor went through) that meant that the Doctor's first visit didn't happen, so unless he went back to talk to Amelia again, she wouldn't remember him, so he had to really....

TalTangerine Wed 03-Oct-12 19:41:43

If it helps Biscuit, I read somewhere that Moffat envisaged River being in a romantic relationship with all her spaceship crew and then she's reunited with them at the end, so she still gets sexual adventures.

TalTangerine Wed 03-Oct-12 19:43:21
DinosaursOnASpaceship Wed 03-Oct-12 19:58:24

If River and the Doctors time lines are going in opposite directions, wouldn't she have already known what was going to happen to the Ponds?

RustyBear Wed 03-Oct-12 20:09:36

She might have known that she didn't see them again, without knowing what had happened - she's not exactly living backwards, as she lives through each episode the same way the others do.

I think of each adventure as one of those travelator things that you get in airports and the Doctor starts from one end and River from the other and both jump on and meet at the same place, but then they travel together the same way for a while. But whether all the different travelators are in a linear sequence with the doctor starting on the first and River on the last or whether they are dotted around time, I'm not sure...

CaseyShraeger Wed 03-Oct-12 20:19:14

Their timelines aren't going in strictly opposite directions, just out-of-kilter eith each other. The first time the Doctor meets River is in Silence in The Library, while the first time River meets the Doctor is either as a child in the spacesuit in The Impossible Astronaut (if you can call that 'meeting') or in Let's Kill Hitler, and the current storylines are later than those in both their timelines, so it's clearly not a simple opposite-direction thing (also when the Doctor first met River she was Professor Song, then (from his POV) she was Doctor Song, then she was Ms Song, tben she was Doctor Song again and now she's Professor Song once more).

Pixel Wed 03-Oct-12 23:11:44

Ok Rusty, that makes sense... I think! smile

SoupDragon Thu 04-Oct-12 07:11:07

So if River is going kind of backwards... last week was the first time she met the Ponds. Which it clearly wasn't confused

I think they've ditched that aspect of the storyline TBH or softened it with a large hammer. There hasn't been any mention of "spoilers" for some time has there?

TalTangerine Thu 04-Oct-12 08:21:48

Soup, the first time she met the Ponds was as a child, because she grows up with them.

River chronology here:

DinosaursOnASpaceship Thu 04-Oct-12 08:22:45

I am still confused blush

When the doctor meets the River in previous episodes she says she always meets him as he's getting younger and she is getting older so there must be a mid point I suppose where they both know how each other is but not what's going to happen, maybe this was it. She could have dropped him a few hints though, in the library maybe "hey sweetie stay away from New York wink"

Seeing their relationship now makes watching the library so sad, poor river, dying for the man she loves and him not even knowing to say goodbye. The doctor must know how she dies? Having seen it already, you would just want to try and stop it - all that time can be rewritten stuff. Or is death a fixed point? He got round that though so surely he could've give her advance warning and put her in one of those tele-wotsits that he was in when he 'died'

SoupDragon Thu 04-Oct-12 10:46:04

Exactly, TalTangerine, so it all makes no sense whatsoever now - unless they've pretty much ditched that aspect of the story.

BiscuitCrumbsInBed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:51:10

Nooo Tangerine that's not what I want to hear! DW is no place for sexual adventures, I raised my eyebrows when it was even mentioned that River had been conceived in the tardis on Rory and amy's wedding night! (not such a prude in real life I promise, just associate DW with kids and being a bit innocent...)

And so is River's death in the library a fixed point? Surely the Doctor can change it or at least hint heavily that it's not a good idea to visit the library...??

cakebot Thu 04-Oct-12 17:13:01

I think if he does that, he changes his own history, as that is where they first meet, so he can't do that. Although I think a lot of the River story was written without any intention of it carrying on as long as it has. The 'saving' on the computer now seems like a poor thing to do to the love of your life when he could have come up with a million other solutions, whereas at the time it was quite touching. The whole backwards order thing didn't need to be in there. It makes no sense and would have been much better if they were just meeting in a jumbled up order. I choose to ignore the 'backwards' aspect, as it makes more sense if they are just meeting in the wrong order. Sometimes backwards, sometimes forwards, like in the original 'Time Travellers Wife.

wem Thu 04-Oct-12 17:31:03

These threads absolutely do my head in, but somebody mentioned Amy's glasses, so had to share my theory about them. The doctor tried them on at some point and they suited him way more than her so I reckon they were designed for him and will be turning up in the future as a regular Pond memento.

melodyangel Thu 04-Oct-12 17:36:52

The glasses looked like the ones MS wore for Bert and Dickie.

musicmadness Fri 05-Oct-12 00:53:20

I think that the idea with River is that they meet predominantly back to front, but that's just a general trend, so there are plenty of times when they meet where they both know each other too. Considering River could regenerate before LKH we have no idea how old she really is. She could be hundreds of years old and have decades (at least) of adventures with the doctor.

From what we have seen I think her timeline is;
Lets kill Hitler -> the Wedding of River Song -> A good man goes to war -> Impossible Astronaut -> Pandorica -> Time of Angels -> Manhattan -> Library.
It can't be completely back to front or they would never have any shared memories and there would be no need for the diaries.

I clearly have spent far too much time thinking about this!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 05-Oct-12 00:58:06

Thanks music. Think the BBC should release a River box set!

Eggrules Sun 07-Oct-12 11:34:46

MS Dr Who is being shown from the beginning on Watch. It's on series link and I'm going to try to keep track, second time around.

TheAngelshavetheOod Sun 07-Oct-12 12:38:10

Don't have watch sad

I used to like watching the old ones on Uk gold at the weekend in the morning.

Eggrules Sun 07-Oct-12 18:45:34

Poor you Angels. Oh I loved it.

I think I should have started from CE and worked my way up. I like the vibe from the 9th Doctor onwards. I like companions being integral, especially strong female characters. I remembered why I liked Amy; this relationship is the antithesis of Martha and DrDTs.

Interesting viewing. I forgot that 'The Pandorica will be the opened and the Silence will end' was in the first episode.

snapespeare Fri 12-Oct-12 13:28:48
CaseyShraeger Fri 12-Oct-12 14:06:11

Love the idea of the Brian and Anthony show...

mynameis Fri 12-Oct-12 21:35:22

Just watched the storyboard. Aww it's lovely

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 12-Oct-12 21:50:55

Yeah, it was <sniff>

LiviaAugusta Fri 12-Oct-12 21:59:50

Crying buckets now, wish they'd filmed it. Wasn't that affected by TATM but this... sad

SoggyMoggy Fri 12-Oct-12 23:12:43

Agh! Add me to the 'Film this! Yesterday!' camp.

I love a good sweetness induced tear jerker, so I'm both thrilled and a total smeary mess at the moment.

TheAngelshavetheOod Sat 13-Oct-12 06:38:43

I can't see the storyboard?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 13-Oct-12 06:52:26

Search BBC Doctor Who and play "PS" on the clips selection.

SoggyMoggy Sat 13-Oct-12 07:23:04

'I miss everything about you.' That does me in each time, as well as the second 'I miss you.'

mynameis Sat 13-Oct-12 10:48:14
Eggrules Mon 15-Oct-12 10:42:25


FlobbadobbaBOO Mon 15-Oct-12 12:29:40

PS was lovely, I think they should have filmed it so the end was about Amy AND Rory, not just Amy.

TheAngelshavetheOod Mon 15-Oct-12 18:59:15

Finally watched it yesterday sad

SergeantSnarky Tue 19-Mar-13 03:10:00

Yay! Back Easter weekend and a new episode from Neil Gaiman later in series...

Oodsigma Tue 19-Mar-13 08:01:21


ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 19-Mar-13 21:01:26

Fantastic news!!

Bit excited. May or may not be wearing a 'Keep calm and don't blink' tee right now.

Oodsigma Wed 20-Mar-13 13:40:46

I got dh one of those.

RustyBear Wed 20-Mar-13 15:09:15

I have one of those tshirts too.
And this is my iPhone cover

slug Wed 20-Mar-13 15:36:49

Where did you get that RustyBear????


RustyBear Wed 20-Mar-13 15:51:15

DH gave it to me for Christmas - I think he got it from a website called Redbubble, because we'd been looking at similar stuff on there last year.

slug Wed 20-Mar-13 16:01:19

Thanks <<goes off to google>>

NicholasTeakozy Wed 20-Mar-13 16:56:41

Only 10 sleeps till the new series. grin

ShipwreckedAndComatose Wed 20-Mar-13 17:25:32

I'm off to google too. <impressed>

DH and DS are vair excited about the Easter weekend Dr Who- it's a tradition in our house (we are a bit stickler-ey for traditions blush )

Dinner before Dr Who on Christmas Day grin

But I'm guessing this one is on Saturday? So Saturday dinner before Dr Who.

And they can enjoy it on the 3D telly (hoorah)

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 23-Mar-13 12:33:02

Yes, Saturday. My kids have just got seriously into DrWho <proud> and cannot get their heads round the trailer where the Doctor says he's scared!!

envy of 3d TV!

Oodsigma Sat 23-Mar-13 16:45:09

Am rewatching Angels take Manhatten atm. Love that one.

Oodsigma Sat 23-Mar-13 17:37:22

There's a prequel on for next weeks episode now too

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 23-Mar-13 18:28:50


Oodsigma Sat 23-Mar-13 18:45:02

Can't link from mobile as it'll only show mobile site but on bbc dr who website

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 23-Mar-13 19:00:48

Ooh, so exciting! Will check..

footflapper Sat 23-Mar-13 19:08:31
louisianablue2000 Sun 24-Mar-13 15:14:51

Very excited about this and DH already has a crush on Clara. Trying to decide if DD1 is old enough to watch it yet. The DVDs are a mix of PG or 12 but 12 seems a bit ridiculously old, can't imagine refusing to let a 10 year old watch it!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 24-Mar-13 21:31:14

Mine are 6 and 7 and watch it!

Anyone else picking up on the stuff about Matt Smith leaving at Christmas?

Oodsigma Mon 25-Mar-13 07:40:58

Mind have watched it since it restarted and only 11/13 now. Dd2 is v unscarable though ( except Coraline hmm)

A Dr Who thread! Yippee! I am not alone in my geekdom. grin. DS1 is only 4YO (5 this year) and he adores Dr Who, hope I'm not a bad DM. blush

Oodsigma Mon 25-Mar-13 19:13:45

Not in my book.

I need a new Dr Who name for the new start

Before DS2 was born last year, I thought he was going to be a DD called Clara so I like the character already!

louisianablue2000 Tue 26-Mar-13 18:01:28

Hmm, might have to let her. She is five and shown an interest but her three year old sister is definitely not ready (she is scared by the Octonauts).

Oodsigma Tue 26-Mar-13 18:48:08

I'd watch first then watch on I player/record it in case it's a scary one.

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 06:46:48

12 hours to go!!!!!!

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 12:49:23

6hours and counting ....

and I have no electricity and the only thing I'm worried about is missing Dr Who blush

Yay! Hello whovians!

Anything I should watch prior to tonight? I have been avoiding any spoilers chat!!


Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 14:41:29

Have you seen the prequel on bbc site? Link up there^

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 14:42:09

Oh & I have my electricity back <phew> but still need a new name...

RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 15:13:40
Idontknowhowtohelpher Sat 30-Mar-13 17:20:44

Hurray about Ten! (But sad that Rose is coming back too...)

RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 17:32:20

I wonder if it will actually be 10, or 10.2....

Idontknowhowtohelpher Sat 30-Mar-13 17:44:38

dd1 was wondering that. David Tennant is looking a bit older (though still lovely!) and 10.2 would explain that. But then he wouldn't be the "proper" Doctor...


I have just dispatched dh for take away and I may just crack open a bottle of wine

NoHank Sat 30-Mar-13 18:06:13

Just checking in. I've been stupidly excited that it's starting again tonight. Glad I'm not alone. Although I really can't call myself a geek. I miss all the references and story arcs and never guess anything right.

Although I did guess that Amy was one of the flesh and that the statue of libery would be an angel so maybe I'm not completely useless grin

willyoulistentome Sat 30-Mar-13 18:13:56


Whoo hoo.

willyoulistentome Sat 30-Mar-13 18:14:20

Too excited to type.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 30-Mar-13 18:17:38


RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 18:22:22

How many people are now changing their wifi name to a set of strange symbols?

SuffolkNWhat Sat 30-Mar-13 18:24:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Still waiting for dh to come back!!! I'm waiting for him! Troo luv 4eva! grin

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 18:26:40

Nice touch on the book

Not sure about the frock coat?

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 18:43:55

Frock coat is very smart grin

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 18:46:57

But then again Matt would look good in a cloth sack wink

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 18:48:24

Love the evil bases in London landmarks in Who

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 18:50:56

Yes very good. Ill think twice about going to the shard.

willyoulistentome Sat 30-Mar-13 18:53:12

'Im going to motivate you'. I am so stealing that.

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 18:53:30

Canary wharf & the London eye have already been done

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 18:57:25

lol willyoulisten smile

RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 18:58:45

And the Tower of London....

LittleBairn Sat 30-Mar-13 18:59:31

I might try that one on DH later "I'm going to motivate you" and give him the glad eye.

What a splendiferous episode smile

So that was Richard E Grant again?

Richard E Grant is always good! Celia Imrie was excellent :-)

RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 19:06:08

And the Post Office Tower back in 1965....

Same baddie as at Christmas?

The living snow chappie?

... yep... the Great Intelligence

marjproops Sat 30-Mar-13 19:09:44

just said on another thread when the titles started i said to DC' wish theyd show the doctors face like on the old ones' and they DID!

that was what i was most excited about!

LOVELY to hear that fab theme again on a saturday evening! takes me back.

said also im not sure about clara yet.

all recent female comapnions (maybe not Martha) have been a bit too ballsy/loud/flirty/cocky/fiesty/dominating for my liking (loved Donna though).

where are the Susans/Peris/Aces/Dodis/Sarah janes gone?

they were good without being bland.

Am going to have to watch it again I reckon!

Bit of a theme for this series, then. Great, love Richard E Grant...

Martha was too wet, though. So long as they scream and run. grin

Peri and Ace were awful. Sarah-Jane was good though.

I like Clara.

And I'm hopping up and down with excitement that its the fiftieth anniversary in November.

Happy happy!

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 19:15:56

But Amy was ginger grin

So was Donna!

marjproops Sat 30-Mar-13 19:19:34

same here. saddos that we are grin.

didnt like Peri just trying to remember the old ones.couldnt stand Mel or Tegan.

i liked the male companions (and not because im a female!) Jamie, Mickey, Rory, Ian, and Im prob the only one that ever liked Adric(!)

Frasier Hines (Jamie) wants to return to the Tardis, he said in a n interview. how fab would that be?

Im bloody mid-forties and im as excited as my 12 year old! we're like 2 little girly girls tonight with this!!!!

okay time to call the men in white coats.......

NoHank Sat 30-Mar-13 19:21:08

Did anyone else think of River with all the talk of downloading people?

It was the first thing I thought of at the beginning. I mean I'm sure it was a completely different process but it certainly reminded me of her and I wouldn't have been surprised if she had been referenced in some way

Tegan was grim!

I want Matt Smith to strike my hair. Though I'd be cross if he gave me half a jammy dodger.

Asheth Sat 30-Mar-13 19:22:53

I thought of River too! I wonder if she'll ever be back?

Loving having Dr Whop back. DS (aged 4) and I snuggled down together to watch it. he loved the plane!

Aren't we lucky to have the longer episodes nowadays. Remember when it was only 25 minutes long and you'd waited all week. Half the episode was a recap of last weeks too.

Last weekend we watched the City of Death on virgin. We watched all 4 episodes one after another. When I was a kid it would take a whole month to see that. Told dd and she was horrified!

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 19:27:01

Ellenjane Amy is a real ginger !! Sorry not a fan of Billy Piper .

So have we seen the last of river then?? I don't think that story is finished yet.

greencolorpack Sat 30-Mar-13 19:39:20

I loved tonight's episode, I think Matt Smith was adorable enough to (almost) be fanciable.

I'm wondering if Clara is 10's daughter, Jenny.

Talkinpeace Sat 30-Mar-13 19:53:33

I knew Ace as a kid

Pixel Sat 30-Mar-13 19:57:10

I LOVE the Doctor's new coat! New Tardis is ok I suppose...though he seems to have lost his walk-in wardrobe.[bgrin]

A very good episode and Clara wasn't as annoying as I expected.

Pretty sure WIFI wasn't invented when Celia Imrie was a little girl but we'll gloss over that.

Did anyone notice the book Summer falls was by Amelia Williams? (that was DD not me).

gingeme Sat 30-Mar-13 19:57:24

Ooh tell us more talkinpeace smile

Pixel Sat 30-Mar-13 19:58:07

Oh it's meant to be bu for a bunny grin.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 30-Mar-13 19:58:45

Well...landmark moment in this house.

first time we all sat down to watch a brand new episode together as a family smile.

Very happy!

cardibach Sat 30-Mar-13 19:59:29

Leela was always good value as a companion.
I enjoyed tonight's episode. Bless him with the water and Jammie Dodgers smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 30-Mar-13 19:59:57

You'll - they've snogged, so perhaps not.

Good point Alibaba! She's bound to reappear at some point though ... hopes...

Pixel Sat 30-Mar-13 20:06:47

Laughed at "Earls Court was an embarrassment" because we went to see the Dr Who exhibition there. smile

marjproops Sat 30-Mar-13 20:18:21

wow, Amelia Williams! the book. no, didnt notice that, well done Pixel jr

I guessed the were referencing the Doctor Who exhibition! grin

MyOtherNameIsFunnier Sat 30-Mar-13 20:36:28

LIttle snippet I picked up:

Souffle girl mentioned a Nina (I think as her hot lezzer action in her youth...)

MOdern Clara's teenage charge was going to Nina's house.

Coinky dink or not?

(I only picked it up because my friend's DD is Nina)

MyOtherNameIsFunnier Sat 30-Mar-13 20:37:45

From Tardis wikia:

Nina (Asylum of the Daleks)

Nina was a girl whom Oswin Oswald fancied, or possibly even dated. Oswin stated that she was "going through a phase."

While shipwrecked on the ship Alaska in the Dalek Asylum, Oswin told Rory Williams about her, and began calling him "Nina," after her. (TV: Asylum of the Daleks)

MyOtherNameIsFunnier Sat 30-Mar-13 20:38:56

And yes yes to Amelia Williams, loved that.

I'm sure it's all important. God I've missed this, second guessing and spotting stuff.


Didn't the Great Intelligence see an old tube map from the 1960s at the end of the snow one? If that's where and when it ended up, Celia Imrie's character would have been quite young. It does seem to choose a child as its primary servant and then wait, gathering power as they grow to adulthood.

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 20:49:20

I posted about the book ^ [pouts] [grins]

I was wondering who gave her the Drs number.

marjproops Sat 30-Mar-13 20:51:22

pedantic alert- the telephone in the tardis door-

in the gas mask episode with 9th, wasnt the phone the really old fashioned one just the earpiece bit on a string? and the doc had to talk into the mouthpiece on the box?

in this one its a telephone telephone (?!)

i know the tardis has changed on the inside a fewtimes but still....

still think the new inside looks too mmuch like a fairground roumdablout thing and the circles on the sides look like targets to shoot arrows on!

best one was the older one, plain white room, console in the middle. simples!

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 21:02:04

I'm not taken with the current one but I expect it will grow on me

Maryz Sat 30-Mar-13 21:03:28

Whoah, I've only just watched it and there are nearly 200 posts.

I'll have to catch up.

Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know whether there'll be a new doctor after this series?

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 30-Mar-13 21:09:06

I heard Matt may be going at christmas

Maryz Sat 30-Mar-13 21:16:13

Yes, I thought that, but can't for the life of me remember where I read it.


Who's in the running, then?

MyOtherNameIsFunnier Sat 30-Mar-13 21:23:43

Oooh yes who gave her the number?

Oodsigma Sat 30-Mar-13 21:38:06

It was the Sun or the Star or somewhere. Have also read he's not but Steven Moffat is going.

snowballschanceineaster Sat 30-Mar-13 21:42:16

I don't think I'd like Matt Smith to go. I've just gotten used to him!

RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 22:01:32

I wonder if the 'lady in the shop' who gave her the number was Rose, if she's coming back for the anniversary episode. Though I'd have thought Clara would have been more likely to call Rose a 'girl' rather than a 'lady' Donna perhaps?

marjproops Sat 30-Mar-13 22:24:02

hmmm-lady in the shop. wouldnt be Donna as she won the lottery and therefore wouldnt be working in a shop.
nah. Donnas mum?
got to be some riddle/conundrum in there, like when duh! until it was in ones face RIVER (pond) Song (melody)

come on whovians, think! its gonna be some so bloody obvious thing that no one will get till the end of the series!

the greatness of the writers of all things Who.

RustyBear Sat 30-Mar-13 22:39:10

She did just say 'in the shop' though, didn't she? Not 'working in the shop'

Lora1982 Sat 30-Mar-13 22:47:40

Did they change the theme tune too? I was all set to do my du dud dudle dud bit and it wasnt there

NoHank Sat 30-Mar-13 22:55:27

Yes I thought maybe rose was the lady in the shop.

Wonder if summer falls will be significant too. And does that mean that amy wrote it???

marjproops Sat 30-Mar-13 23:04:39

im gonna have to watch it agin and catch all these bits ive missed.

Maryz Sat 30-Mar-13 23:04:46

Yes, they changed the tardis, the opening sequence and the music (a bit).

I don't like change [gimmer]<stamps feet a bit>

None of us like change, Maryz. grin

Maryz Sat 30-Mar-13 23:24:25

I was vaguely amused by the lack of technical ability and special effects when he started motorbiking up the building.

It was all a bit "old Dr Who"-ish - no special effects at all and pretty low budget I suspect. Just like the old days <reminisces about cardboard daleks and silver paper cybermen>

LadyKinbote Sun 31-Mar-13 04:26:53

River was the "lady in the shop" surely? (Please tell me we haven't seen the last of her...)

Oodsigma Sun 31-Mar-13 09:43:27

They referred to downloading the 'cloud' and look up. Xmas episode was cloud related wasn't it?

NoHank Sun 31-Mar-13 09:51:18

I woke up thinking about this again hmm

The book, Summer Falls, Clara asked the little boy where he was up to didn't she? I think he said chapter 9 and she said something about 10 or 11 being really scary or someone dies or something like that (can't remember, didn't record so can't watch again!) I wonder if this will mean anything???

Probably not though, I always miss the obvious grin

NoHank Sun 31-Mar-13 09:58:17

Just googled, she says Chapter 11 is the best, you'll cry your eyes out.

A reference to the 11th doctor?

Oodsigma Sun 31-Mar-13 10:01:10

I wondered about that conversation too.
What about episode 11?

RustyBear Sun 31-Mar-13 10:17:06
Fiderer Sun 31-Mar-13 10:26:59

I thought that was great. Loved the abbey scenes. Was just reading some reviews harping on about repetition (Blink, The Idiot's Lantern, Silence in the Library) but I enjoy some nods to other episodes.

JC is great so far and I loved the Twitter joke. Minor niggle. Was a bit hmm that anyone could be that clueless about the WiFi password after a year in the house and Twitter. Yes, she had to be weak in computer skills so they could upgrade her skills with the super-hacking ones but she must have set the password as "rycbar".

And an "ooooh" ? re the woman in the shop who said it was the best helpline in the universe grin

Fiderer Sun 31-Mar-13 10:29:42

Rusty Thanks for that. Have you read The Angel's Kiss?

RustyBear Sun 31-Mar-13 11:13:01

No, actually I only found out about it on that link! It's not the same story, apparently, though there are references. Presumably Moffat didn't want to give too much away, even to the person writing the story!

Oodsigma Sun 31-Mar-13 11:15:23

Ooh ta rusty

iklboo Sun 31-Mar-13 11:53:59

Anyone see the Tom Baker style scarf hanging up near the door in the family house?

Fiderer Sun 31-Mar-13 12:15:18

No, missed that! Liked the book by Amy and that from the cover it looked like a girl on an adventure.

EggsitPursuedByAChocolateBunny Sun 31-Mar-13 12:37:34

Loved it loved it loved it. Saturday evenings are fab once more.

Off to watch it again.

I just watched it again and missed the scarf.

So what do we know about the fiftieth celebrations? Do I need to book tickets for anything?

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 13:28:44

Yes, yes! I saw the scarf! <excited>

I found Celia Imrie reverting to a child really disturbing at the end and I loved the use of the Dr's base unit to enter the shard.

I missed the scarf too dammit. I quite enjoyed last night's episode, but I didn't think it was an all-time great - and I really don't like the new TARDIS interior - it all looks a bit too sleek and efficient, and part of the TARDIS schtick is that it isn't always particularly efficient, so that is a contradiction for me.

I loved the fact that all the people working in the, presumably super-secret, baddie's hideout had all put their locations on their Twitter/FB/Bebo statuses!

Roll on next week.

Fiderer Sun 31-Mar-13 14:43:40

grin at FB. "Hands up if you're on FB/MySpace/Bebo and hands down if you didn't put where you worked" - no hands down grin

Do people still use MySpace and Bebo? You don't hear/read much about them these days.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 16:00:00

Yes, I loved that too! the way she found where the evil base was located was very cool!

I actually liked the simplicity of the episode, as said up thread, very like the old days

Oodsigma Sun 31-Mar-13 16:44:24

I liked the social network thing too! And the guy trying to fix the toilet that had been taken.

There's a selection of e books for the anniversary , 1 a month for each Dr.

marjproops Sun 31-Mar-13 16:58:59

SPOILERS.......if you havent seen entertainment news, tennant and Piper will be in a one-off episode with 11.

so.....Rose may well be the lady in the shop after all and im thinkingtennant will be the cloned doctor whos come with Rose from the parralell universe?!?

to be aired in November.

NoHank Sun 31-Mar-13 17:27:37

Ramble alert. It made sense to me that Clara was able to do all the computery stuff because it seemed like she had traits from her previous existences. The doctor commented on the nanny / governess link and in the episode where she was a dalek she was able to take down all there systems and delete the doctor from their memories so she must have been really computer savvy then too.

Oodsigma Sun 31-Mar-13 17:43:33

I was thinking that this was where she got the computer savvy from and the daleks were a future version ( although the dalek mind could have given her that too)

teejwood Sun 31-Mar-13 17:44:39

Squeee - good to see everyone again! <waves>

Sooo... cuddled up with poorly dcs to watch Bells last night and the verdict was: DC1 - really quite good; DC2 - all right; me - enjoyable enough but not earth (rather than Shard!) shattering.

I didn't mind the echoes of episodes past - actually quite liked them. And loved the little nods to Amy, the Doctor Who exhibition at Earl's Court, Nina and the scarf. Liked the fact everyone in a top secret baddie organisation had listed their workplace on FB/MS/Bebo/Twitter. Also quite like the new credits and how they nod to Old Who.

BUT - I have a slight problem with Moffat (whose writing, in general, I love) because he flags up the big bad/main hook right at the start and then the denouement/payoff doesn't always follow through. So I want to like the battle with the Great Intelligence but these preliminary skirmishes end up a little Scooby Doo - he could have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that pesky Doctor and his sidekick! But he'll be be defeated again in the next round by that pesky Doctor and his sidekick hmm

I prefer RTD in that respect: the lead up to Bad Wolf, Torchwood and Saxon was so much more subtle until the episode where all was revealed and then it hit you between the eyes.

Like many, I really want to know the identity of the lady in the shop. It's highly likely to be River and I love River so that's all good - but it also reminded me of another Moffat character who worked in a used book/video shop, who might end up in a mobile shop. Yes, whovians, might it be the return of Sally bloody Sparrow?? wink

BTW - Rusty thanks for the link on Chapter 11!

NoHank Sun 31-Mar-13 17:59:12

Oodsigma of course, the Dalek episode would be the future so yes other way round.

teejwood I thought Sally Sparrow too but couldn't remember her name - just knew it was something to do with birds. I was thinking maybe the shop had progressed from dvd's to computers maybe.

I'm the type that needs things spelling out to me. Subtle is too subtle to me. It's why I lurk on these threads so I can see what I missed otherwise I'd never get half the references!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 18:22:08

With you there nohank!

Just straying off topic onto Anniversary episode. I was hoping Captain Jack might make an appearance but he has confirmed he isn't part of it. I love Captain Jack!

teejwood Sun 31-Mar-13 19:15:40

north i think there is a lot of disinformation about the 50th, so Barrowman may or may not be there! Apparently Sophia Myles was dropping hints and then denying them on twitter, too...

DT & BP are confirmed, we expect MS & JS will be there, but apart from that who knows <snurk>

Wo is js?

teejwood Sun 31-Mar-13 19:29:42

sorry - typo as hugging poorly dd- meant Jenna-Louise Coleman!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 20:09:45

I remember the 20th anniversary (or 25th??)

Lots of past episodes on BBC 2 which I watched in the little black and white telly in the spare room! And a special episode starring all the Drs still living except Tom Baker, who couldn't/wouldn't be in it so they used a shot of him boating down a river with Romana (blonde one) trap in some sort of vortex thingy.

And I got a companions special edition Dr Who magazine that listed them all and what their back stories were. It was marvellous!! (Wish I still had it!, along with my wetabix 'kings and queens' poster, they were very important items in my childhood!)

Ah ha! Yes that makes sense! I was going a bit confused!

the Five Doctors smile
I used to know the entire script verbatim.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:01:33

Weather and Dr Who!!

Serious respect to OYBBK!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:01:53

Googling the five doctors now...

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:07:26

Weather and Dr Who!!

Serious respect to OYBBK!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 21:09:32

Wow, reposted! Not sure how that happened!!

Anyway...shock bit of trivia:

Lalla Ward played the second Romana, who briefly married TomBaker (knew that) but she is now married to... Wait for it.... Richard Dawkins!!!!

marjproops Sun 31-Mar-13 22:18:18

Shipwreckedyou're right.

whats weirder though is that the 10th doctor is married to his daughter and he's his own his father-in-law too!!! grin

sorry about that!!!!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sun 31-Mar-13 22:22:48

Oh, now that is weird shit!!!!

Fantastic facts grin

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 31-Mar-13 22:39:52

Just seen it. Went "squee!" because I've been for drinks on that balcony.

Is the leaf in Clara's book from this park?

yellowhousewithareddoor Sun 31-Mar-13 23:33:58

Ooh clever. I bet you're right. I'd not seen the prequel. Love it :-) I haven't particularly enjoyed this doctor so far but getting back into it now. .

Oodsigma Mon 01-Apr-13 08:32:56

I thought that when the Dr was sniffing it and looking puzzled.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Mon 01-Apr-13 08:55:54

I wondered that about the leaf too

I wondered if the leaf was from he Christmas episode, wasn't the tardis up a tree? I may be remembering completely wrong. But I'm sure it was up a tree then up a huge spiral stair.

Oodsigma Mon 01-Apr-13 10:27:23

Ooh good idea glakit

teejwood Mon 01-Apr-13 11:00:33

YY - the play on words of first leaf/first page was another thing I smiled at. I thought it was from the park in the prequel - but Glaikit I like your idea of it being from the park where the Tardis was hiding during the Christmas episode.

DP had missed it on Sat so we watched it again last night. On re-watching, there were other things that puzzled me about the 101 places book:
- why did it start at age 9 - was that Clara's age when she first met the Doctor in the park? Did something happen then, that we haven't seen as yet or why did she expect to go travelling after that point? And who gave her the book?
- she had crossed out every year from age 9 - but two years are missing - 16 and 23 - what happened to those years? Is this a clue that Clara has in fact been taken by the Silence for periods of her life and as such is a trap in the same form as River (but I'd really hope not - rather not have what is effectively the same plot twice..)? Did she 'lose' those two years in some other way?

With the Amelia Pond book - were the two boys effectively supposed to be the Doctor and Rory? One was fair and one dark. Did Clara just happen upon that book in a secondhand bookstore or library, or did someone give it to her quite deliberately?

And so to the first theories: DP thinks Clara is a puzzle the future Doctor has set himself, to get him back into the universe, engaged and motivated to protect the weak.

I have a niggling thought that Clara has been placed in his life in some way, too, but not by the Doctor. Clara is so like River in many ways. Quite flirty, quite assertive with him. "Run you clever boy" has echoes of "You watch us run". The "And remember" sign off - is that an admonition to remember who he is, what his mission of sorts has become? Is it an admonition to remember to always travel with someone - again a clear message from Amy and River? If River has realised that it is near the end of her time with the Doctor, is it possible she used her experience of being a genetic experiment and her ability to time travel, to plant genetic dupes through time and give them the personality/possessions (eg books) to tie into the Doctor's life? In effect, is she a living, breathing "Hello Sweetie" message through time, but with the objective of making sure he is not alone when River can no longer travel with him?

Also - on the plane he told Clara he was 1000 years old - was that shorthand or how does that tie in with the various ages he claims in The Impossible Astronaut epsiodes?

And a final thing I noticed - Clara's necklace is like an RAF wings badge on a chain - is there a link there to a previous story in that? Captain Jack? Something River picked up during the war? Is she in fact the various daughters of Jack through time when he was going through a phase for girls?!

teejwood Mon 01-Apr-13 11:01:37

bloody hell sorry for the essay - I just sound less mad putting things in text here than saying them out loud to people in RL blush

RustyBear Mon 01-Apr-13 11:06:08

In the widow and the wardrobe Christmas Special, the husband was a pilot...

I saw the wing pendant and thought hmm

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 11:18:36

See, I thought that was part of Clara's "old fashioned" dress (eg high necked floral blouse in one scene) and harking back to her being a "governess"

gingeme Mon 01-Apr-13 13:44:37

Anyone watching Channel 5?

Oodsigma Mon 01-Apr-13 13:44:38

On third watch now blush

Oodsigma Mon 01-Apr-13 13:46:02

Not watching 5 but have it on DVD. Find it really oddgrin

Oodsigma Mon 01-Apr-13 14:17:13

Dd1 says that Clara had a cup of tea all thought the dalek one & this one? Also wants to know about soufflés

teejwood Mon 01-Apr-13 15:29:51

DCs still poorly so they just sat through the film on C5 - and quite enjoyed it!

Ood don't get me started on the cup of tea. That irked. Mug with plainly nothing in it because otherwise we would have seen some spillage when it was being held in a near-horizontal position. Am sure it's down to health and safety but fgs either use the prop or don't bother.

marjproops Mon 01-Apr-13 18:13:24

the film that was on today. hilarius.

love peter Cushing but playing a doddery old fart was not good.

Roy castle (the brill) was just comic relief

and Susan was Wesley Crusher.

the Thals all looked like Julian Clary!

The daleks all sounded like the 'for mash get smash' aliens.

and Ian calls the doctor 'doctor Who'. thats not his name.

having said that, it was so bad it was good. very retro.

NoHank Mon 01-Apr-13 18:43:21

Watching again with DS and hoping to try and hear / see all the bits I missed. Probably won't get any of them and will have to come back here to see what it all means grin

GreenShadow Mon 01-Apr-13 20:50:28

Doctor Who Official just posted on Twitter -

"The read through has just finished for the #DoctorWho50th Special!"

Looky here

ShipwreckedAndComatose Mon 01-Apr-13 20:57:30

Ooooooh! Nice photo!

teejwood Mon 01-Apr-13 21:09:20

You can see what River meant when she spoke about having multiple Doctors for her birthday wink

ShipwreckedAndComatose Mon 01-Apr-13 21:14:38


The thing with the ages in the book starting at 9 - couldn't that be because she was 9 when she got the book?

RustyBear Tue 02-Apr-13 12:24:34

That would fit in with the leaf being from the park...

Lost this thread, but found you all again! I thought the leaf was from the park where the Tardis was hidden.

Anyone else loving the nod to the old music?

teejwood Tue 02-Apr-13 17:29:30

ood I just realised you said you were watching "Bells" for the 3rd time grin

Re souffles - I think Dalek Clara and Victorian Clara both said they liked making them, so your dd is right on that. And I think she had a cup of tea at some point during the Dalek ep but not all the way through.

Littlebear yes, I liked the nod to the old opening credits in terms of music and graphics smile

SDTG agree that she probably got the book at 9, but was that the year she met 11 and who gave her the book?

Another thing that just popped into my head - Clara is nanny for this family whose mother died a year ago, no? Victorian Clara also was governess for a family whose previous governess died - a year ago. Could be coincidence, but... seems awfully convenient that someone pops their clogs, she turns up and sticks around for a year and then 11 turns up.... hmm

teejwood Tue 02-Apr-13 17:35:31

Just googled it - allegedly Dalek Clara had crashed on the Dalek planet a year before 11 turned up? Can anyone remember if that is true or not? Odd if true, no?

NoHank Tue 02-Apr-13 18:27:58

Oh teej you are good. Yes I think you're right. I'm pretty sure Oswin says she has been on the planet for a year

Oodsigma Tue 02-Apr-13 18:51:03

Ooh tee well done

teejwood Tue 02-Apr-13 20:06:27

Thank you <bows> grin
But...but... that does seem to indicate that she has been placed, doesn't it? And does it also mean that the people she replaced were bumped off quite deliberately - which would add quite a tragic/sinister air to Clara's story...

Oodsigma Tue 02-Apr-13 20:14:52

And by who? The great intelligence didn't seem to note any importance to him.

2kidsintow Tue 02-Apr-13 20:24:27

Can anyone help me find the Christmas special? If I search for 2012 Christmas special on amazon, then I just get a link to the one from the year before (the Narnia type one).

teejwood Tue 02-Apr-13 20:28:21

Oh FFS - DP has pointed out that Clara Oswin Oswald is "COO". He's now predicting that she's been planted by the Tardis in order to create a life for the Doctor post-the-Ponds.

RustyBear Tue 02-Apr-13 20:28:28


That's last year's, though, Rusty. I'm not sure if the one with Clara in has been released yet.

RustyBear Tue 02-Apr-13 20:48:56

Oh, yes sorry, I was thinking of that one because of the airforce necklace thing.
Can't see the snowman one on Amazon as a DVD, but iTunes have it for £1.89.
They also have the prequels as free episodes - busy downloading now....

2kidsintow Tue 02-Apr-13 20:50:44

Thanks Glaikit... Strange that they've released all the other Christmas specials separately, but that this one is part of the series set.

I saw that one, but wasn't sure it included the Christmas special. confused

teejwood Tue 02-Apr-13 21:04:18

"Chief Operating Officer", Glaikit - the person below the Chief Executive. So whose "number 2" is she?!
We speculate too much in this household, obviously - and will be completely tied up in knots by the end of the series grin

BTW - Rusty- I meant to say earlier well remembered on the father/pilot from the "Widow" episode!

Ah, I thought it would be something timey wimey, didn't actually think it would be C.O.O

louisianablue2000 Wed 03-Apr-13 00:26:45

The Radio Times has a summary of each episode and River Song returns for the last episode of this series. The missing ages in Clara's book apparently correspond to missing episodes in Old Who (I did not work this out myself, I looked at some geek blogs). The lady in the shop must either be River or Rose I would have thought. There better be a bloody good story for Clara sinceit has been signposted so much, whereas the River Song story has been disappointing presumably because SM has been writing it on the hoof.

I love hearing all your theories!

KnockMeDown Wed 03-Apr-13 12:30:16

Hi - apologies if I am not keeping up, but please could someone clarify which park it is you are talking about?

Thank-you grin

I think the one in which she met the Doctor in the trailer.

RustyBear Wed 03-Apr-13 14:34:39

Yes, I meant the one EllenJane linked to, though I think others might have meant the park that had the tree where the Tardis was parked on the last Christmas special. Though that was in winter, not autumn. I can't remember what the tree looked like and our bloody sky box lost everything we'd recorded a few weeks ago.

I wouldn't worry about keeping up, though - none of us are keeping up. We're just speculating wildly in the hope that we'll hit on something....

marjproops Wed 03-Apr-13 18:31:51

keep thinking Claras full name is an anagram of something.

anyone good at anagrams?

like Torchwood is an anagram of doctorwho.

maybe something there?

and if steven moffats wife is a mnetter, please give us some spoilers!!grin

Marj up thread someone pointed out it was COO as in chief operating officer, someone's number 2. But who's number two is she?

Also I have read her headstone gave her date of birth as 23rd November! Ring any bells?

Ooh does anyone know when the 50th anniversary is?

marjproops Wed 03-Apr-13 19:28:42

i know someone said COO but were all having conspiracy theories in here, just thought id throw another one in grin

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 20:15:31

"We're just speculating wildly in the hope that we'll hit on something...."

quoted for truth, Rusty!!

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 20:35:09

'Twas me with COO

Just to chuck something else into the mix - Clara is an anagram of ARCAL, which stands for "aircraft radio control of aerodrome lighting" - the system which allows aircraft pilots to control the lighting of an airport or airfield's approach lights, edge lights, and taxiways via radio.
So Clara is guiding the Doctor - but to what fate? <da, da, daaaaaa!!!!>

Alternatively, Google indicates that LARCA is an international research group working on data mining, machine learning, data analysis, and mathematical linguistics - so she's gathering information on the Doctor to serve some evil enemy!

Or alternatively, she's just called Clara shock

Just been speculating about Clara with dh. He asked why she changed her name from Oswald to Oswin confused was it to do with lee Harvey Oswald? So I googled and and and JFK was shot on 22nd November 1963. He was shot by lee Harvey Oswald, who himself was shot and killed on 23rd November 1963.

The first ever episode of dr who was broadcast 23rd November 1963.

There has to be a connection, but I can't work it out. Has someone already thought abut this??

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 20:48:40

louisiana thanks for the tip off about the Clara theory. I quite like the idea she's representative of the entire series, but worry that for all but a hardcore of fans it's a bit "Doctor Who will eat itself". There will need to be an explanation of the missing years - 16 and 23 - within the storyline, or else for most casual viewers (who make up the majority of the audience both in the UK and in overseas markets) it will just be yet another hanging thread with no resolution, as they simply won't make the effort to go onto one of the fansites. I'd like to think that Moffat is playing it as a dual thread - a geeky in-joke for the ultra fanboys/girls, but also part of the actual plot.

Also - Moffat said he made up River's character for the Library episodes but then knew that he wanted to play out her storyline in a certain way. Alex Kingston has said that he took her aside to fill her in on River's story fairly early on, long before Karen Gillen etc became aware of what was going on. So it was planned out even if it hasn't come across that way....

marjproops Wed 03-Apr-13 20:51:33

Glaik thats a good one!

Isn't there a big thing about the missing dr who episodes that were wiped instead of archived? Tenuous link??

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 20:57:04

Glaikit it sort of ties in with the theory about Clara being about the series as a whole, doesn't it, that 23 Nov is important as her date of birth because it was the first transmission date of Doctor Who. The BBC's new series was overshadowed by the JFK shooting the previous day, by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Is it telling us that Clara Oswald an assassin in disguise?
She didn't change her name, though:
- Victorian Clara was Clara Oswin Oswald
- modern day Clara is Clara Oswald, who takes Oswin as a screen name to stand for "Oswald for the win" and
- Dalek Clara was actually Oswin Oswald, so she had dropped the Clara not the Oswald.
<head explodes>

marjproops Wed 03-Apr-13 21:00:16

tee you're a bit TOO good!grin chillout now! too much thinking!

at the end of the day all our wonderment and itll prob be something so bloody obvious and simples!

Yeah I told dh that she didn't change her name. He pays far less attention to it than I do hmm but he seems to pick up subtleties that I miss!

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 21:06:57

rofl at too good, marj - am stuck at home with the kids as we all have come down with a lurgie, am bored and need to divert the old grey matter away from puke and snot!

Glaikit the theory I just read on one of the boards is that the missing 16 and 23 in Clara's book are tied in with gaps in the transmission of Doctor Who. Really clever in-joke and hats off to whoever it was who figured that one out, but 99.9999999% of the audience would never have got that in a million years!!

Ah ha! Well I have to say I only got into Dr who around the Donna time. So a lot of references got right over my head. But I think I'll go back and watch them online!

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 22:10:41

anyone else been sad enough to pre-order Summer Falls on kindle?
<whistles in a completely innocent, not me guv'nor kind of way>

Oodsigma Wed 03-Apr-13 22:12:13

Ordered for dd1 ...

Ooh - thank you! Have just ordered it for DD's Kindle :-)

teejwood Wed 03-Apr-13 23:13:29

yeah, that was my excuse too, ood grin
no problem, Tray!

RustyBear Wed 03-Apr-13 23:21:43

Well, I could say I've ordered it for DD, but it's not much of an excuse, as she's 23...

Mind you, she's as big a DW fan as I am, so she will undoubtedly read it sometime!

Oodsigma Thu 04-Apr-13 07:50:47

I don't do kindle so its a real excuse! Will have to force myself to read it on there!

RustyBear Thu 04-Apr-13 13:38:43

OK, I didn't actually cry, but Chapter 11 is quite sad....

DD still hasn't downloaded it. I've asked her 3 times! Grrrr

Fiderer Thu 04-Apr-13 14:24:06

It only cost me €2.14. Love how fast & easy buying ebooks is, even in forrin.

teejwood Thu 04-Apr-13 21:39:27

I read a few chapters to the DCs earlier and then quickly finished it myself after putting them to bed.
Rusty did you spot the culinary reference?
I didn't cry at Chapter 11 but am fairly certain DD will howl when we reach that bit....

teejwood Thu 04-Apr-13 21:45:26

I was about to list other little hints I think were placed in the book but am worried about spoiling it for people who haven't read it yet - so will shut up for now.

Oodsigma Sat 06-Apr-13 07:07:43

Woohoo its Saturday!!!

Counting down, here, and have my boys this weekend to watch it with, even better! smile

Oodsigma Sat 06-Apr-13 17:30:08

We are all here tonight( was on my own last week). Need to instill Dr Who rules though on dd2 to stop her wittering all the way through.

I was on my own last week, except for MN, of course. wink

marjproops Sat 06-Apr-13 18:14:18


blanket- check.

excitement- check.

see you in a hour!!!!

Oodsigma Sat 06-Apr-13 19:00:42

What is Mum from? Driving me mad.

Is there something in the moped/motorbike connection?

marjproops Sat 06-Apr-13 19:04:58

ok. 1- title. brill. sounded like an oooolllldddddeeee Doctor who. peter Davison or Tom baker styleee.

2-anyone else think cantina from starwars? was waiting for a wookie to appear in the town!

3-wheres the dad from?

marjproops Sat 06-Apr-13 19:06:02

4-anyone else have a lump in their throat at the dad/mum scene when he said its the most important leaf in the universe sad

SuffolkNWhat Sat 06-Apr-13 19:09:12

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

teejwood Sat 06-Apr-13 19:13:04

Face link as well as the bike?
GI at xmas and last week and the god tonight?

teejwood Sat 06-Apr-13 19:13:30

marj - agree all round smile

Watched with 13yo DS.
DH on the pakoota (what DS used to call the computer when he was a toddler blush ) . DH not a Matt S fan.

What a crock of sh*t.
It was like something from CCTV, No storyline.
Pathetic special (or not so special) effects.

I know from DS and DH that the episodes vary alot.
But this is Episode 2 of the new series. Not inspiring.

KayHarker Sat 06-Apr-13 19:20:36

Not sure what I think. Bits of it I really liked.

Not much plot, and a face in the sun? Bit disappointing, hope next week's is better.

I liked the change of pace and I liked the singing. Sun face thing was a bit silly and a bit confusing at times as to what it was feeling.

Oodsigma Sat 06-Apr-13 19:41:36

The second episode is always a bit meh. Like the idea of the Dr researching Clara.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 06-Apr-13 19:44:18

Oh I quite liked it, it was old-school Dr Who.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 06-Apr-13 20:14:12

I wasn't impressed at all tbh.

wibblyjelly Sat 06-Apr-13 20:20:51

Thought it was a bit meh.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 06-Apr-13 20:27:25

I did like the singing too but the sun face bit and how it fitting in with the alien in the glass box thingy...just didn't quite make sense.

I want to know why the TARDIS translation field didn't work on all the aliens in the market place - surely it should have!

teejwood Sat 06-Apr-13 20:38:52

Ohhhh SDTG - good point - maybe the Tardis wouldn't translate for her because she doesn't like her?

My DS3 (10) called that a continuity error! Maybe some of the writers aren't as obsessed as the rest of us. hmm

Nice music, but I was a little underwhelmed by the plot.

teejwood Sat 06-Apr-13 20:50:36

An old timeless god sucking the life and experiences and stories out of the young? Is that what we're supposed to take away from that one?Hmmmmm.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 06-Apr-13 20:50:37

I wondered about the translation too.

Didn't the doctor give her a key last week? Was that not for the tardis? I don't know why I only know who?? Or was I dreaming?

So many questions there! blush

Wasn't too in love with this episode, although it did remind me of bits of Bladerunner. When the Dr was telling the face in the sun about all his memories it was just like Rutger Hauers character when he was dying, talking about all the things he had seen, and then when they landed back outside Clara's house, the Dr actually said "jiggety jig, home again" which is what the scientisty little bloke says when he comes home to his toys in Blade Runner!

At least we can stop wondering about the leaf. Rather sweet, though stalkerish, about how he was watching over the key moments in her life.

NoHank Sat 06-Apr-13 22:55:11

Did she say she got the book when she was 9 or do I just think that because it starts at age 9 on the front page

Because in her story she says she lost when she is about 6 and we see her mum tucking her in bed holding the book. Probably nothing but I've been trying to pay extra attention!

Also I wonder if her fear of being lost will come to mean anything

louisianablue2000 Sat 06-Apr-13 22:58:28

1) Why didn't the Tardis translate for her?
2) Why didn't the Tardis let her in?
3) I think her Mum died the day the first episode of NuWho was broadcast, it was March 2005 but can't remember the exact date on her gravestone.

GreenShadow Sat 06-Apr-13 23:10:45

She died on the 5th March. Louisiana. Wasn't that too early for the first episode (assuming it was the traditional Easter start) ?

louisianablue2000 Sat 06-Apr-13 23:25:16

Oh, the first episode of NuWho was broadcast on 23 March, but a rough cut was leaked on the internet on 5 March. Am I spending too much time trailing round fansites? I think maybe I am.

Davros Sun 07-Apr-13 06:26:43

The big face in the sun was like the huge gingerbread man in shrek when he falls into the milk. It was all a bit SJA which is fine but DW should be a league up. At least there was some time and space in it.! I thought the Tardis just translated for The Doctor and companion but, if you think back to Pompeii it's more complicated than that. All seems very derivative of previous episodes but I'm sure that's deliberate. U fortunately don't like DS or Clara, slight drawback

Davros Sun 07-Apr-13 06:27:37

I mean MS

DalekInAFestiveJumper Sun 07-Apr-13 07:00:32

March 5th is supposedly the date the events of 'Rose' took place. In 'Aliens of London' there's a poster that says she's been missing since the 6th.

Fiderer Sun 07-Apr-13 09:55:55

I enjoyed it esp the first 20 mins or so. But think the plot went v weak after they zoomed off on a moped. The vampire & the Vigil (?) were OK but the pumpkin god was daft.

Really like JC, she's surprised me tbh. Must admit was always a bit sniffy about MS but last week and this I thought he's really grown into the role and he was v v good.

As was that little girl. And the market scene - must have blown a good part of the budget on the aliens, must also have been loads of fun to design and play.

Spuderoonerism Sun 07-Apr-13 10:14:32

The little girl is Aled Jones' daughter I think...she was also in Shrek in the West End at one point.

This was one of the decidedly 'meh' episodes for me; the plot got strange but in a dull way like they sometimes do.

The book used to be her mother's, when she was holding it in the graveyard it had her mother's maiden name written on the page getting wet, age 11. Can't remember her name now, but it was definitely the same first name as her mum.

AaDB Sun 07-Apr-13 12:26:51

I like your theories Glaikit.

There is something wrong with Clara's timey wimey / continuum and that is why the TARDIS doesn't like her. The TARDIS can transport its occupants to any point in time and any place in the universe. Clara is reappearing and reborn and eveloving rather than travelling. hmmm....

I did enjoy the singing, a lot.

twilight3 Sun 07-Apr-13 16:52:37

who is the bloke standing with 16 year old Clara in front of her mother's grave?
Is the year her parents met significant? (they make sure they give two shots of the magazine cover saying in big letters "summer 1981"), or am I just trying to see something in everything?

And finally.... am I right in thinking that by killing that soul eating god, they have now left an entire solar system of seven planets without a sun??? They seemed to gloss over that quite quickly...

marjproops Sun 07-Apr-13 19:45:58

bloke was her dad with white powder paint in his hair in an attempt to age him?!?

the little girls Aleds daughter? wow. sings- we're walking to the tardis......

wibblyjelly Sun 07-Apr-13 19:54:01

Not sure if I misheard, but didn't the Dr say he had been to the planet once before with his grand daughter? Is this something to do with Clara? Maybe she is part time lord or something?

iklboo Sun 07-Apr-13 20:00:24

William Hartnell's doctor travelled with his granddaughter.

Susan is the doctors granddaughter. This is a bit from her wiki page Susan falls in love with David Campbell, a young freedom fighter in the 22nd century.

Clara's dad is called Dave........

Fiderer Sun 07-Apr-13 20:28:37

I liked the singing too. And the idea of the emotion/song/story energy devouring entity. Just planet sized and then fading away didn't work, I thought.

Just realised the girl was Alice in Utopia. Talented girl.

AaDB Sun 07-Apr-13 22:58:54

Clara's mum is called Ellie, I think.

RustyBear Mon 08-Apr-13 07:28:24

DH and I are hoping that the mention of the Doctor's granddaughter is a prelude to her appearing in the anniversary episode....

Fiderer Mon 08-Apr-13 07:36:05

Rusty I was trying to think what reason there must be for the reference to the granddaughter.

Read that Christopher Eccleston won't be in the anniversary episode. Love the picture of DT and MS that GreenShadow posted.

Oodsigma Mon 08-Apr-13 07:43:45

Me too rusty

LadyKinbote Mon 08-Apr-13 07:47:39

Just re-watching it with my 5yo and it's about the right level for her. That's the trouble with DW, it has to appeal to such a range of viewers. What makes an interesting episode to me and DH is very different to what makes a good episode for her! I think the grandaughter comment was a throwaway to remind us of his age and the fact that there's so much we don't know about him. (Peter Cushing travelled with his granddaughter Susan but he doesn't 'count' - something we disagree with in our family incidentally!)

RustyBear Mon 08-Apr-13 08:25:31

But both the Peter Cushing films were rehashes of William Hartnell stories, so they can't really count as 'canon'. In fact it was at the end of the story that was retold in the second film that Susan fell in love with David Campbell and obviously Roberta Tovey was too young for that!

ShipwreckedAndComatose Mon 08-Apr-13 09:51:10
LadyKinbote Mon 08-Apr-13 10:42:05

Didn't know that Rusty, we clearly have much to learn!

marjproops Mon 08-Apr-13 18:05:39

Chris ecclestone from what ive read is quite embarrased (for want of a better word) for his role in DW? like hes a 'respected' actoooor and took on a job to make money or get his profile bigger, then prog escalated into super popularity and thats why he left, didnt want to be typecast, (dont think any other DW actor had this alleged attitude, theyve all said theyre proud of it). im sure that was in a mag or the news at the time and now he wants nothing to do with DW?

someone correct me as he was great in the role and its cos of him i became a Whovian.

marjproops Mon 08-Apr-13 18:08:08

if they did an '11'doctors type thing they should get Sean pertwee to play the 3rd doc as he looks l;ike his dad, and i always thought Tom Hardy has an Ecclestone look about him so maybe him as the 9th.

teejwood Mon 08-Apr-13 22:56:24

Shipwrecked thanks for the link - agree with quite a lot of that article. Sometimes I feel like the standalone eps are sacrificed a little at the alter of the series arc, which itself can be a bit of a damp squib.

The leaf really annoyed me, actually. If it's supposed to be the same leaf the doctor licked last week then at least use the same type of leaf <grumble>

DP's theory of the week is that Clara does not exist, she is a projection of some kind and that is why the Tardis is not being nice to her, or translating for her, because she isn't there. But surely Moffat can't be giving us another series where nothing actually happens, or anything that does happen is negated with a big reset button?!

teejwood Mon 08-Apr-13 23:10:07

marj getting Who back on telly was tough and pressurised. There were a lot of naysayers and a lot of people expecting the team to fall flat on its face. I think as a result there was quite a lot of tension on set. Chris Ecc has said that he felt there was a bullying atmosphere and he didn't want to be part of that and that is why he quit. Fine.

I don't think it's about embarrassment, tbf. He put himself forward for the role having worked with RTD before. And he's since been in Heroes, GI Joe and Thor - not exactly classical theatre. However, it is true that being in Who - and particularly being The Doctor - can be career suicide. Yes you have fame and everyone knows who you are, but then you risk being typecast or just put in a position where casting directors don't consider you for different roles, so you don't get much of anything. IMVVHO, CE knew this and decided that he didn't want to hang around that long. Completely fair enough. His career, his decision. He was part of the team that resurrected Doctor Who for telly, made it a huge success, and for that I thank him. "Fantastic!".

teejwood Mon 08-Apr-13 23:11:47

disclaimer - I have seen CE on stage in classical theatre post-Who and he was v good grin

teejwood Mon 08-Apr-13 23:17:34

meant to say, Marj - Pertwee junior would be FAB addition to the 50th grin

AaDB Tue 09-Apr-13 09:57:52

Buzzfeed's Major problems introduced in this week's Dr Who...

This may not have been the best stand alone episode but it introduces a puzzle will hopefully set the scene. It is one of the programs I look forward to most. For me, the anticlimax is because it isn't on frequently enough.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 09-Apr-13 10:08:53
RustyBear Tue 09-Apr-13 10:36:39

Hmm - love that bit about Peter Cushing 'would later gain Star Wars' in the US, maybe, but he was actually pretty famous before....

Oodsigma Tue 09-Apr-13 17:25:47

Noooo noooooo noooooooo!

But that link is 18 months old, surely it isn't still happening is it?

Oodsigma Tue 09-Apr-13 17:52:27


marjproops Tue 09-Apr-13 18:15:05

Thanx for clearing the CE thing tee.

and the 11 docs thing, there could be a timey-wimey excuse for TB CB PD and SMCCoy looking older?

now who would be good for the 2nd doc? not his son, he looks nothing like PT.

Im thinking Jon Hamm.saw him in a drama on skyarts and hes got that sort of 'face'.hmm

RustyBear Tue 09-Apr-13 19:07:40

Reece Shearsmith is playing Patrick Troughton in 'An Adventure in Space and Time', marj....

marjproops Tue 09-Apr-13 20:34:42

never heard of him......and dont think the harry potter actor, as good as he is, has the look of bill hartnell....time (and space grin )will tell

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 09-Apr-13 20:55:16

It appeared on my FB page today, but I do hope the story is dead!!

Well, I enjoyed that one! Anyone else?

RustyBear Sat 13-Apr-13 18:50:27

Yes, I liked it - had a very Second Doctor feel to it (and not just because of the Ice Warriors)

It's always fun in a submarine, stokes up the tension.

That was a cracking Who! smile

Proper man-in-a-rubber-suit monster, confined space, mercy shown in the end ... classic.

iklboo Sat 13-Apr-13 19:53:48

Loved that one.

I thôught it was rubbish sad (how did I get that accent there?) slow, one dimensional characters and a cop out ending.

Thought the timing of the episode wasn't perhaps great with the current world affairs too grin

Katisha Sat 13-Apr-13 20:45:47

So far am not really liking this series. It seems to be getting all a bit twee and yet arch as well.

Choccyjules Sat 13-Apr-13 21:51:02


marjproops Sat 13-Apr-13 22:00:24

yy was ooookaaaay, and i usually love mark Gattisses episodes but it did seem a wee bit flat at times. David Warner (wheres he from) was great, but the ice warrior was a bit disappointing, if hes been frozen 5000 years then hed still be the old style one wouldnt he? not the updated thing that they keep doing with the daleks and cybermen and stuff.

Claras growing on me though.

Absolutely marj, he didn't even sound like a proper one.

marjproops Sat 13-Apr-13 22:44:00

Bring back the Zygons!!!

who else should come back? Steven moffat says he wants new aliens and monsters but they cant just dismiss the old ones. or past companions...and no, not bloody billie piper again!

brill when its a sontaran/macra/dalek/cybermen episode.

love the weeping angels and ood and stuff, but.........

teejwood Sat 13-Apr-13 22:53:47

Right - will need a rewatch as the kids were chirruping a bit but in general I quite liked that one. Gatiss does some great one-liners and there is a real gothic camp to his writing "the planet with be red with the blood of humaniteeeeee" or something like that grin

Loved the development about the ice warrior coming out of his shell, and why he would do that. The suit responding to him so he could get back in, was great - but I could see some people wouldn't like it. The head and tail solution to show an ice warrior out of his armour was well done, I thought - the suggestion can be more frightening than the reality when it comes to monsters and showing just hints retains some of the mystique.

Ending was a bit of a damp squib, but I do wonder if it was just part 1 of 2 - maybe next year or the year after. Maybe the ice warrior wasn't showing compassion and forgiveness so much as postpon