Homeland - back soon!

(985 Posts)
Hassled Wed 19-Sep-12 22:05:21

I am beside myself with excitement. Trailer here - who's putting the contacts in? Is that Carrie in a disguise? Any one else agog?

Calamansi Wed 19-Sep-12 22:06:56

I can't wait either grin grin grin, how long do you think until carrie remembers what came to her before her op?!

Hassled Wed 19-Sep-12 22:08:00

Oh and - who has the video? Where is the vest?

Hassled Wed 19-Sep-12 22:08:55

I think we'll all be screaming at the telly "CARRIE! For the love of god remember he knew the son!" grin

GoingBlankAgain Wed 19-Sep-12 22:08:57

Is that the US trailer though?

GoingBlankAgain Wed 19-Sep-12 22:09:39

the dates on it, I mean?

gallicgirl Wed 19-Sep-12 22:13:35

Just started watching the first season. blush

Hassled Wed 19-Sep-12 22:16:51

Yes - it premieres 30th Sept in the US. And all the bastard trailers here tell us is "Coming Soon". I need to know when, exactly.

GoingBlankAgain Wed 19-Sep-12 22:19:23

Yeah, dp checked and the US one does start end of the month.

LadyPeterWimsey Wed 19-Sep-12 22:21:26

Google tells me October 7th here. Hurray!

Hassled Wed 19-Sep-12 22:28:28

October 7th - yay! I can wait until then. Maybe.

LadyPeterWimsey Thu 20-Sep-12 00:03:13

there's definitely not a synopsis of the first twenty minutes on digital spy, oh no

Fiderer Thu 20-Sep-12 08:24:00

What a great trailer, thanks Hassled grin The end of S1 was so gripping - I love Saul.

I think we'll all be screaming at the telly "CARRIE! For the love of god remember he knew the son!" Yes grin

bunjies Thu 20-Sep-12 08:28:45

Was definitely one of the best series I've watched in a long time. Can't wait for series 2. And SUndays don't clash with my guilty tv pleasure Revenge grin.

PseudoBadger Thu 20-Sep-12 21:55:22

If you're like me and somehow missed the first series - it's being repeated on More 4 at 11pm ish starting next Tuesday. It's on every day I think.

CJCregGOLDandORANGE Thu 20-Sep-12 22:39:02


Look! It's US!!!

Very sorry to hijack thread. But LOOK!!!!

<bows out gracefully>

CJCregGOLDandORANGE Thu 20-Sep-12 22:40:05

PS Am also looking forward to new series of Homeland grin

<wonders if should spend more time in Telly Addicts>

Fiderer Fri 21-Sep-12 06:56:51

CJ Oh don't we look goooooooodd grin

Fiderer Fri 21-Sep-12 07:21:19

I noticed that what with The West Wing, Downton Abbey, Homeland and SCD, nearly all threads in my TIO are in Telly Addicts. Good thing Sherlock's not back or I'd get even less done.

V tempted now to re-watch S1.

Awesome. Time to dust off my Damian Lewis crush.

CJCregGOLDandORANGE Fri 21-Sep-12 09:41:50

We do look pretty amazing, I reckon grin

I have stayed off the Downton and Strictly threads so far but can feel myself getting tempted in.

I did like Homeland and am looking forward to S2 but I did think it was a bit emperor's new clothes. Yes, it was good, but there were all sorts of illogical plot developments and the writing wasn't that stunning - nothing compared to for example Sorkin at his best wink.

Did you watch The Newsroom, Fids?

Fiderer Fri 21-Sep-12 09:50:00

CJ I may have opined once or twice at great length on a thread.

CJCregGOLDandORANGE Fri 21-Sep-12 11:27:55

Off to look grin

Sorry again for hijacking thread blush

(But weren't we just the fucking business?!)

lighthousekeeping Fri 21-Sep-12 17:21:28

Christ I cant remember what happened in the last episode! I must've been overcome with emotion or, very drunk. Should I be worried?

Hassled Mon 01-Oct-12 22:42:40

Can you feel the suspense building? It's SOOOOON. Very soon.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 02-Oct-12 00:11:01

Oct 7? Squee!

donnie Tue 02-Oct-12 11:50:34

and yet I remain unconvinced by Saul. I do not trust him. IMO everything he says and does is a double bluff. Watching the reruns atm I am even more convinced of his complicity.

Don't say I didn't warn you!

DuaneDibbley Tue 02-Oct-12 12:57:10

I'm catching up, having missed it completely the first time! Just watched 'The Good Soldier' and I'm already suspicious of Saul - he failed the first polygraph and bluffed it.

Hassled Tue 02-Oct-12 21:19:51

Oh don't make me start to doubt the lovely Saul. Saul is all that is good and right in the crazy world of Homeland.

donnie Tue 02-Oct-12 21:24:42

No hassled! You cannot trust him!

Hassled Tue 02-Oct-12 21:26:22

<ignores> grin

I really want to see how the daughter develops this season. She's an interesting character - I think we'll have more from her.

FrillyMilly Tue 02-Oct-12 21:29:30

I'm too excited!

That's all.

Hassled Sun 07-Oct-12 20:04:36

Tonight is the night grin.

I'm so ridiculously excited about this. I can't wait!

Hassled Sun 07-Oct-12 20:17:40

I don't actually know if I can stand the tension. Last season I was like a coiled spring by the end of an episode.

ledkr Sun 07-Oct-12 21:05:12

So excited just marking place, have switched off the phone

Inneedofbrandy Sun 07-Oct-12 21:06:23

Oh its started!

Hassled Sun 07-Oct-12 22:11:33

How good was that? I love the daughter. Still convinced of Saul's inner goodness. How did the men in the car in Beirut know to follow Carrie

mynameis Sun 07-Oct-12 22:28:17

Bloody loved it. grin

Great wasn't it. I think they had some sort of phone tracker thing and knew that Saul was on the phone to someone in the vicinity. They looked around and there she was, talking on her phone and looking all round suspiciously.

SnotandBothered Sun 07-Oct-12 23:14:39

So glad its back i have been bereft without it.

Like how Body's wife is turning into a bit of a social-status monster - very believable and adds a good dynamic. And the loved daughter.

But oh, the pouty reporter / agent to Abu Nazir woman just didn't seem plausible to me. Not did the fact that there wouldn't be some kind of CCTV in David's office when Brody was cracking his safe.

And was it a different actor playing Brody's son or am I confused?

SadPunk Mon 08-Oct-12 01:55:45

Oh poor Carrie, I think Saul is a baddie in some complicated way, he has to be, maybe Estes will turn out to be good guy in the end. Love it though, I like how it's seemless from the first series, obviously she will remember the Issa thing at some point. I'm sure the recording he did will turn up as some kind of blackmail point in the end as well.

Tamoo Mon 08-Oct-12 06:49:10

Agree with SadPunk. Estes is too obvious and dislikeable to be the baddest baddie of all.

Really enjoyed it although Carrie looked like something out of The Omen with those dark contacts.

mynameis Mon 08-Oct-12 07:46:15

SnotandBothered I thought the son looked different but I think he has just shot up between series.
Also the CIA guy who turned up at Carries at English class, he's lost do much weight he was barely recognisable!

Was this filmed in Clare Danes pregnancy? Noticed some voluminous tops going on smile

Tamoo Mon 08-Oct-12 10:09:37

Yes the son was the same actor he's just grown and had his hair cut short.

diddl Sat 13-Oct-12 12:21:49

Just watched ep 2-and just as I was thinking "oh how predictable"-great ending!

cornsconkers Sat 13-Oct-12 12:35:46

why was the daughter in a quaker school

lighthousekeeping Sat 13-Oct-12 17:08:12

I was worrying about who was paying for Carries mess now that she's not working smile

lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Oct-12 16:59:57

Meds even!

lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Oct-12 21:53:31

I'm on the edge of my seat!

Jcee Sun 14-Oct-12 22:04:05

Great episode

northender Sun 14-Oct-12 22:05:01

Didn't see that coming shock

FrillyMilly Sun 14-Oct-12 22:05:35

Tonight episode was brilliant. My heart was literally racing at parts. Saul good or bad? I hope good, but I fear he's bad.

lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Oct-12 22:06:31

My heart is pumping still. What was the film and where was it shot?

peggyblackett Sun 14-Oct-12 22:08:49

That was amazing. I fear that Saul is a bad'un.

lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Oct-12 22:09:18

Really? Why?

trifling Sun 14-Oct-12 22:10:00

It was the memory card that Body left in a wall. But how did Carrie know where? Will Saul suppress it ?

DespairSquid Sun 14-Oct-12 22:10:21

Brilliant! The film was from the end of series one, his suicide bomb tape.

DespairSquid Sun 14-Oct-12 22:11:09

Do you think Carrie put it there?

Hassled Sun 14-Oct-12 22:11:36

Oh my lordy lord shock. My pulse has just about settled back down. What Saul does next will prove his goodness, I hope.

When did we last see the memory chip thing? In a wall - is that right?

headfairy Sun 14-Oct-12 22:11:58

Wasn't the film a suicide video? And didn't the marine that Brodie kill have it or were there two copies? I thought Brodie had hidden the card with the video on it between some rocks in a wall in a Washington park and after he'd failed to detonate his suicide vest he went back to get the card, but it was missing.

Hassled Sun 14-Oct-12 22:12:07

It wasn't Carrie's bag, was it? I thought she picked it up in the apartment.

DespairSquid Sun 14-Oct-12 22:12:43

Yes Hassled, when he went back to get it it had gone. I though Tom had taken it though.

headfairy Sun 14-Oct-12 22:12:44

Oops x post.

FrillyMilly Sun 14-Oct-12 22:12:45

I thought it was luck that Carrie found it. That she doesn't know it exists just grabbed a bag to put stuff in. Surely if she had proof she had been right all along she would shout it from the rooftops.

DespairSquid Sun 14-Oct-12 22:13:35

Sorry Xpost, yes I thought she just grabbed it in the flat.

trifling Sun 14-Oct-12 22:13:36

Yeah, he put it in the wall and Carrie must have picked it up and hidden it in her bag but forgot with ECT. Didn't know she knew his hiding place though.

baabaapinksheep Sun 14-Oct-12 22:14:37

That wasn't carrie's bag, she picked it up when she was searching the apartment.

Hassled Sun 14-Oct-12 22:14:57

trifling - I don't think Carrie knows anything about the card. DH agrees that Brodie looked for the card and it was missing - I think we were meant to assume then that Walker had it.

trifling Sun 14-Oct-12 22:15:37

Oh that makes better sense. So Walker got it back to them somehow. Fab episode.

difficultpickle Sun 14-Oct-12 22:15:53

I thought she picked up the bag from the apartment but it could have been her bag (ie if she had given it to her contact).

Hassled Sun 14-Oct-12 22:17:57

I just can't wait till next week - it really is the best series I've seen in a hell of a long time.

lighthousekeeping Sun 14-Oct-12 22:20:15

It's reminding me of 24 when it was good.

mcmooncup Sun 14-Oct-12 22:33:24

That was so good. But I won't cope well if Saul is bad. Really I won't sad

peggyblackett Sun 14-Oct-12 22:34:56

I think he's going to be. I bet he suppresses what he's just seen sad. He can't be bad, I love Mandy Patinkin.

Hassled Sun 14-Oct-12 22:41:04

He's good, I just know he is. I feel it in my waters. He has real empathy for Carrie.

mcmooncup Sun 14-Oct-12 23:03:19

Maybe they will start using Brody.........?

Or someone will kill Saul because he has found it all out?

But he just can't be bad

UltraBOF Sun 14-Oct-12 23:08:28

No, Saul can't be bad. He just can't.

Loved that episode! I also fear that Saul could still turn out to be bad. Can't wait to see what happens next.

cornsconkers Mon 15-Oct-12 08:11:16

Was it carrie's bag then? (Confused)

cornsconkers Mon 15-Oct-12 08:11:49

If Saul is bad there is no Father Christmas.

lighthousekeeping Mon 15-Oct-12 08:57:18

Will she get her job back now?

Nancy66 Mon 15-Oct-12 10:01:40

The part with the bag and the memory stick really confused me so I watched it again.

It was definitely NOT Carrie's bag. She picked the bag up in the apartment and as the memory stick was sewn into the lining she could not have known it was there.

So the memory stick was picked up in the park by one of Nasir's contacts - which explains why it was in the apartment.

I'm not finding this series as good. All getting a bit silly and implausible for me...think they should have left it at one incredible series with Brody blowing everyone up.

When I heard that Damian Lewis had signed up for 5 years I felt disappointed. The show is going to get steadily worse now.

mynameis Mon 15-Oct-12 10:05:58

Ooh I loved it. I'm glad it's still watchable without adding the ton of sex scenes it had last season!

I'm wondering if Saul will use Brody as a double agent maybe? Unless Saul is a baddie sad

noddyholder Mon 15-Oct-12 10:06:49

I really love it .

donnie Mon 15-Oct-12 10:39:19

Well don't say I didn't warn you about Saul (see my earlier post)!

I thought some scenes were breathtaking but others very implausible. I find it difficult to accept that Brodie would actually have the balls (and stupidity) to a) text Nasir while in the US equivalent of the Cobra room and b) get away with it scot free. Plus the female Nasir link with the poor UK accent is not a good actor or plausible character IMO.

All the scenes with Carrie and Saul are brilliant though because they just are. They would be good if they were discussing wallpaper they are that good.

But , like I say, I did warn you...grin

Nancy66 Mon 15-Oct-12 10:48:58

If Saul is the mole then why did he give the go ahead for the assassination attempt? And even if he did that as some double bluff why wouldn't he have leaked the news to Nasir earlier - rather than having to rely on Brodie sending a text at the last second?

UltraBOF Mon 15-Oct-12 14:37:33

Saul is good. That is all. If he turns out to be on the other side, it must mean they are the goodies, he's so good.

strandednomore Mon 15-Oct-12 14:47:24

Surely the point is that there is no good or bad here - both sides are bad in their own ways and Brodie is torn between them as he has seen both for what they are. I wonder whether Saul is the same, he knows what each is capable of and at some point will have to chose. After all, the Americans certainly aren't the "goodies" here what with their drones and all - and that point was hammered home pretty hard by having them kill Abu Nazir's son, an "innocent".

I am liking this series so far but I think they maybe need to do a bit more to convince us about Brodie being on the "other" side, enough to even contemplate becoming a suicide bomber.

Loving/hating his wife - eg I hate her but love the way she is portrayed, great acting, very believable. And agree the daughter is going to be more interesting in this series. Hopefully they will use her to show that there is a positive side to Islam - they need to do something to counteract the crap the children were spouting in the schools (scary!).

UltraBOF Mon 15-Oct-12 15:36:33

Yy, I'm not really so crass as goodies v baddies grin- I just get swoony at Saul.

He is the only man I can imagine being able to get away with the name Mandy.

noddyholder Mon 15-Oct-12 15:39:12

I think the daughter is going to be central this series.

cornykrueger Mon 15-Oct-12 16:19:58

Yes the daughter may be joining forces with Brodie I think.

I think Saul has a dilemma now as the truth about Brodie will lead carrie right back to the CIA, but he knows that she is not well enough and will self- destruct.

So if he blows brodie's cover then carrie will ultimately be harmed.
He may decide to try to set up Brodie himself.

BlingBubbles Mon 15-Oct-12 17:44:01

Claire Danes is phenomenal in homeland, she does those mad eyes brilliantly! I think Saul will tell carrie about the tape especially after her telling him the reason for her breakdown was that she got Brodie so wrong.

Ooh I can't wait for next week, I have to stop myself downloading the US episode...

mcmooncup Mon 15-Oct-12 21:58:56

Yessssss, Bling......I think Saul will tell Carrie he knows she was right........then get killed by someone.......don't know who though............and cue Carrie 'breakdown' again...............

Adversecamber Tue 16-Oct-12 09:24:21

Claire Danes acting is making Meryl Streep look like a bad extra in Crossroads.

Amazing episode at the weekend, I will be devastated if Saul is a baddie.

lighthousekeeping Tue 16-Oct-12 10:11:54

He has to tell her.

Oh, why did someone mention downloading the US episodes?

Im going to have to keep myself very occupied.

donnie Tue 16-Oct-12 13:15:27

I hope you are right y'all. I don't WANT Saul to be bad but I suspect he is more anti US govt than we realise. He was horrified about the drone strike which killed the 85 children.

Also there was one very short scene which made a real impression on me last series in the episode when they are interrogating the guard who brutalised Brodie ( the one who subsequently appears to take his own life with a smuggled piece of razor blade): Saul is in his office and kicks a piece of rug flat which has got rucked up - it looked like a prayer mat to me. That same episode he also fails the lie detector (quick - tell Jeremy Vile!). Maybe the mat thing was a red herring.

Who else apart from me suspects Dana will convert to Islam?

Nancy66 Tue 16-Oct-12 13:27:23

The fact that the director is pushing us so much towards Saul being the mole makes me thing it can't be.

mynameis Tue 16-Oct-12 19:07:48

BlingBubbles I totally agree. When she was having the panic attack laying on the bed it was so scarily realistic

Amazing actress

comeonbishbosh Tue 16-Oct-12 21:59:35

Surely they can't use a public reveal of Brodie's tape at this point in the series.. it will all be over. But it's a good means of getting Carrie back into the CIA.

So... my working theories are either
Saul turns out to be 'bad' and suppresses it.
It gets lost in the post (a bit weak) so Saul knows Carrie is right, but now to Estes and co it just looks like both of them are off the rails.
There's a complicated reason why the tape can't be shown beyond a couple of CIA wonks, so it becomes a cat and mouse of CIA trying to catch Brodie out.

Not sure which way it will go, but loving to be back in on it!

yesbutnobut Tue 16-Oct-12 22:09:24

What an amazing episode! I agree though that Brody sending that text message was highly implausible given where he was sitting. Anyway, if he really wants out of it (as he said to that even more implausible woman who is meant now to be giving him instructions), then he would have let the attack on Abu Nazir go ahead surely?

Such a great series ...

Hassled Tue 16-Oct-12 22:46:20

I think it will be some CIA cat and mouse thing. I think the tape itself (bear in mind it was made to be released post suicide-bomb) might not, on it's own, say enough to confirm that Brodie is an out and out terrorist - did we ever see all of it? I can't remember.

And I think Brodie still would have texted Nazir, regardless of the wanting-out thing, because he has this weird love/admiration for Nazir. Nazir as the person rather than as the terrorist.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Oct-12 23:01:21

Hassled - I agree. I think Brody could argue his way out of it by saying that he wasn't coping well with the pressure and was contemplating suicide at the time.

onedev Tue 16-Oct-12 23:07:30

I agree Hassled! Homeland is such a good series!!

donnie Wed 17-Oct-12 13:53:34

well I am ashamed to say that I have just read a summary of this Sunday's episode on the arts and entertainment page of the online wall street journal! I am saying nothing more though......

diddl Wed 17-Oct-12 19:18:35

Is that Ep 3 donnie?

I´ve just watched it onlineblushgrin

UltraBOF Wed 17-Oct-12 20:02:11

Diddl, do you have a link? <pants>

donnie Wed 17-Oct-12 21:14:48

Yes diddl, episode 3. Twas full of surprises! UltraBof you must gird your loins, breathe deeply and WAIT UNTIL SUNDAY grin

UltraBOF Wed 17-Oct-12 21:19:16

I know, I know blush

I don't really want to spoil it for myself. But dagnammit, Sunday is so far away!

diddl Wed 17-Oct-12 21:46:43

Well I´m watching online so that I can record Downton on Sundays atm.

That´s my excuse & I´m sticking to it

I watched on Movie2k

Hassled Wed 17-Oct-12 22:34:55

Shhh, you bunch of impatient downloaders, you.
Part of the joy of it is the hideous obligation to wait till Sunday, dammit.

cornykrueger Wed 17-Oct-12 22:38:16

I'm waiting till Sunday. it's the highlight of my weekend <saddo emoticon>

Have been I'll so only managed to watch ep2 on Sky+ just now and had to come
here just to squeal.

Was literally up off the sofa as Saul watched the Brodie recording at the end, it was sooooo exciting. Please oh please let him be good (although I fear the worst).

Except that if he is good, he will have to tell Carrie and then he will have to be killed by someone unless the 'cat and mouse thing' ensues. But then if Carrie is 'cleared' what was the point of remembering Brodie calling out 'Issa' (spelling? name of Nazir's son) just before her electric shock therapy at the end of S1. Surely we have to have the moment where that comes back to her? And if everyone who matters already knows about Brodie, it won't matter?

<head explodes>

Hassled Sun 21-Oct-12 19:48:15

I'm feeling a bit stressy and tense already and there is aaaages to go still. Cannot wait.

lighthousekeeping Sun 21-Oct-12 19:53:35

Have we ever seen his speech before or, is this the first time? I don't think it will real anything definite and will be twisted. I feel sick. Ive got to watch stupid ex factor first.

PseudoBadger Sun 21-Oct-12 19:57:22

We saw him record it last series.

Hassled Sun 21-Oct-12 20:23:02

Yes, I suspect it will say enough to make Saul think Carrie may have been right, but not enough to prove he's a terrorist. Taken out of context (i.e. without him having suicide-bombed the Vice President before it was seen), he might not say enough to be sure.

Flossiechops Sun 21-Oct-12 20:59:42

Oh here we go grin

difficultpickle Sun 21-Oct-12 21:08:56

Clever Saul. He has to be a good guy [crosses fingers].

PseudoBadger Sun 21-Oct-12 21:13:14


difficultpickle Sun 21-Oct-12 21:30:18

Really surprised at how good this is. I thought the tension in series one couldn't be topped, but this is doing it.

PseudoBadger Sun 21-Oct-12 21:47:56

I think Brodie may have gone insane

pinkteddy Sun 21-Oct-12 21:52:26

What's the death toll for him since he's been back?!

PseudoBadger Sun 21-Oct-12 21:56:54

But don't forget - He Is Not A Terrorist - he's clearly just unlucky grin

difficultpickle Sun 21-Oct-12 21:59:36

I don't think he meant to kill him. Bet Bassel turns out to be related to someone very important.

Flossiechops Sun 21-Oct-12 22:04:42

He's a goody gringrin

Inneedofbrandy Sun 21-Oct-12 22:05:36

Yeyy I was so hoping Saul was a goody!

PseudoBadger Sun 21-Oct-12 22:06:11

Wow! I really hope Saul makes it back to the CIA ok....

lighthousekeeping Sun 21-Oct-12 22:11:47

Fab! I wish they hadn't left it until the closing scene though.

Hassled Sun 21-Oct-12 22:13:45

Bloody hell - the suspense! I was in pieces - the whole car tyre/forest scene was just unbearable. And the build up to the Saul thing - brilliant.

Amazing acting from Claire Danes again - she is astonishingly good.

lighthousekeeping Sun 21-Oct-12 22:16:08

She's fantastic.

mcmooncup Sun 21-Oct-12 22:17:35

I have a proper girl crush on Clare Danes

I shed a tear for her at the end.

It would have wounded my soul if Saul had been a baddie <dramatic> but I'm just so pleased he is naice man after all. But I do think his days are numbered - I'll be surprised if that tape ever makes it back to the office.

So worried now that Saul won't make it back to the office.

No idea where it goes from here. Loving it!

Hassled Sun 21-Oct-12 22:19:54

If Saul is the goodie and someone somewhere in the CIA is definitely a baddie, who are we left with as viable suspects? Estes and who else? Because someone is going to destroy the video sooner or later.

mcmooncup Sun 21-Oct-12 22:21:07

God I appear to be watching it again on C4+1. This may be entirely abnormal behaviour

LauraPashley Sun 21-Oct-12 22:53:22

I don't think Saul is in the clear yet! I think it might have been signifcant that he asked if it was her computer? Why hasn't he passed it to his team/boss, surely he wouldn't breach protocol if he was a good guy???

Inneedofbrandy Sun 21-Oct-12 22:56:42

I think even if he's not a complete goody his heart is in the right place.

was stilll SO good tonight. watch Carrie makes me hyperactive/ on edge.

Laura I agree. Not cut and dried because otherwise the whole series is over

To convince me he is really in the clear, he should have insisted Carrie be at the debriefing and played the footage then for everyone to see.


mumdebump Sun 21-Oct-12 23:59:30

I thought tonight's episode was probably the least plausible of all so far. There is no way that Abu Nazir's organisation would have sent Brody to collect the compromised guy. Brody would be such a prized asset to them, they wouldn't have risked him being caught if they knew the CIA were on to the man in Gettysburg. Was rubbish.
But Clare Danes was excellent as ever. So glad she found out she was right all along. Was worried that Saul was never going to show up.

diddl Mon 22-Oct-12 06:39:38

I also thought quite ridiculous.

But wasn´t the pretext that he would know/trust Brody?

But just as I was thinking how daft-Saul showed Carrie the recording-fantastic!

Nancy66 Mon 22-Oct-12 10:38:28

i agree. Sending Brody to deal with the tailor was illogical - why would they do that and risk him missing a key speech in his political career and arousing suspicion in the process?

And why the hell would Brody take a call while he was tryng to commit murder at the same time?


difficultpickle Mon 22-Oct-12 10:51:11

I don't think Brody deliberately killed the tailor. I wonder if getting him to move the tailor was a test by Abu Nazir? I guess they didn't factor in the flat tyre and missing jack.

Nancy66 Mon 22-Oct-12 11:00:16

no, he put him out of his misery after an injury - but he still killed him and it's a bit daft that he'd take a call from his wife while doing so

PseudoBadger Mon 22-Oct-12 11:49:03

I don't think he put him out of his misery - I think he panicked because of the situation (Jess asking questions on the phone, going to miss a very very important occasion, covered in blood, miles from anywhere) and when the tailor wouldn't shut up it was just his knee jerk reaction - fall back on the old Marine Hug....

Wingedharpy Mon 22-Oct-12 12:46:43

And we don't know if the safe house really was safe given as how they never arrived.
I wondered if they were both ie. Brody and Bassel, being set up, and they were perhaps both going to be bumped off when they arrived at the safe house......
We may never know.
Really enjoying it.

PseudoBadger Mon 22-Oct-12 12:49:32

I had also thought that Winged

diddl Mon 22-Oct-12 13:13:32

Perhaps the bomb maker would have been disposed of as now a liability.

But Brody?

EdwardorEricCantDecide Mon 22-Oct-12 13:17:14

And we don't know if the safe house really was safe given as how they never arrived
i thought that the whole "safehouse" thing was to take brody out too.

diddl Mon 22-Oct-12 13:22:15

Why would they want rid of Brody when he stopped an attempt on Abu Nazir?

Unless they think that he was behind the attempt??!!

lighthousekeeping Mon 22-Oct-12 13:32:20

Because they know about the tape? I think.

EdwardorEricCantDecide Mon 22-Oct-12 13:33:13

they might know by now that brody is about to be caught if they've realised that they got the wrong memory card from saul and therefore want him dead before CIA get to him incase he gives CIA info on them?

FlibberdeGibbet Mon 22-Oct-12 13:35:03

OK, I'm new to Homeland this series, and I wish I'd seen the last now!

To lower the tone (ahem), the Times review this morning (rated it 4 stars, last week 5 stars) said that a character had a visible erection, seen through his trousers... I seemed to have missed that bit; anyone see who that was? (I'm guessing the marine who was going for a "coffee" with Brody's wife when he turned up)

I also don't think that the memory card will reach the CIA HQ, but can't believe Saul is a BadMan; he seems such a nice guy!

cocolepew Mon 22-Oct-12 13:38:54

Brodys trousers seemed a little, um tented, after kissing his wife on the worktop.

EdwardorEricCantDecide Mon 22-Oct-12 13:45:02

i think i still have it in my planner will watch again tonight wink

PseudoBadger Mon 22-Oct-12 14:06:29

Yes definitely after the kitchen scene!

northender Mon 22-Oct-12 14:50:03

Another one here noticed the "tented" trousersgrin. I found the Brody story last night quite implausible and so it lost some of the tension but agree, Clare Danes is fab.

lighthousekeeping Mon 22-Oct-12 15:30:49

The story was implausible but the erection was method acting at its best!

zamantha Mon 22-Oct-12 21:17:53

I think they want Brody out of the way - thought safe-house bit was also not true.

Is Brody really a traitor or is he really torn? Once caught by CIA will he turn again - or pretend to - sure there is another series in this , so his allegiance may remain undecided. He does not want to kill "innocents" - I think he wants to be let of the leash by Abu nazir. If he didn't stop the killing, maybe he knew he would be killed.

Conspiracy after conspiracy - I know grin

Arithmeticulous Mon 22-Oct-12 21:27:27

Yep, saw the tent here wink

Hassled Mon 22-Oct-12 21:36:30

I'm so tragic that I "like" Homeland on FB - anyway, tonight's exciting FB news is that a third season is confirmed. How can they possibly spin it out to a third season now Saul and Carrie know?

grin at the erectile method acting.

comeonbishbosh Mon 22-Oct-12 22:04:05

Dammit, just watched recording and for 2nd week in a row cuts out just before the end. Is the last scene his wife calling him a lier, or do I Helen from this thread the we jump back to Saul? If so, I'll track it down on 4oD...

Nancy66 Mon 22-Oct-12 23:30:33

the final scenes were of Saul going to visit Carrie at her home and showing her the tape of Brody's suicide mission confession and her joy at realising she was right all along.

Wingedharpy Tue 23-Oct-12 02:24:41

Brody told the reporter woman last week (when she came to see him before he went in to the ?Senators office- where he got the info from his safe) that he could not continue helping them and that he wanted out.
Plus, as EdwardorEric said - wrong memory card retrieved by ?police/customs/intelligence........
Hence, my feelings that both he and Bassel were being set up being sent to the safe house - kill 2 for the price of 1 so to speak.
Maybe Brody will do a double bluff and start to work for his "Homeland" instead of Abul Nazir?............

diddl Tue 23-Oct-12 07:31:30

I´d forgotten that he said he wanted out.blush

oooh yes double bluff - except that he obviously feels very strongly about the whole Isa murder/children being killed/US cover up thingy.

Am sure Dana is going to play a part in this somehow

The tenting nearly took my eye out.

BobblyGussets Tue 23-Oct-12 11:51:38

I know, those trousers had an awful lot of extra material in the pleating to allow for such a tumendous tumescence.

I haven't seen series 1. Is it easily available on downloads?

Tamoo Tue 23-Oct-12 12:06:50

The texting in front of the joint chiefs of staff didn't bother me, who would notice or ever imagine he's texting Abu Nazir? The only thing is that once they know Brody has been turned they could trace it on his phone records.

I think Dana's new relationship might come into play this season. She is getting close to the son of the Vice President. I think she might let something slip to him eg that her dad really is a Muslim.

Also Brody's fellow marines asking questions about Walker looks like it might be a factor. IMO it was a bit unbelieveable that Abu Nazir had Brody shoot Walker. I understand the factor of having Brody prove his loyalty/protect his newfound Congressman status, but from Abu Nazir's POV, a turned American soldier would surely be so valuable it would trump all that?

The trailer at the end of ep 3 (knocking on Brody's hotel room etc) seemed to imply that Carrie's going to be used in some kind of honeytrap sting confused

difficultpickle Tue 23-Oct-12 12:12:44

Saul won't hand over the recording, either because he is prevented or because he is the mole. If he hands it over then that will be the end of Brody and series 2!

EldritchCleavage Tue 23-Oct-12 12:17:37

The texting in front of the joint chiefs of staff didn't bother me, who would notice or ever imagine he's texting Abu Nazir? The only thing is that once they know Brody has been turned they could trace it on his phone records

Surely they block mobile phone signals form the special operations rooms though? And probably take your mobile off you before you go in? Can't imagine a bunch of people sitting in the White House Situations Room or wherever it was all texting their mates while they wait for the satellite to swing over the target etc.

I have to say, I love Estes. He's so venal. My guess is, not a baddie per se, but so flawed (ego, ambition, cowardice) he might as well be. Remember the moment in Ep1 when the reporter asks him out? We didn't see the resulting date, but that might be a storyline that resurfaces.

EdwardorEricCantDecide Tue 23-Oct-12 14:01:29

Surely they block mobile phone signals form the special operations rooms though? And probably take your mobile off you before you go in? Can't imagine a bunch of people sitting in the White House Situations Room or wherever it was all texting their mates while they wait for the satellite to swing over the target etc.
I thought the same, actually earlier in that episode it showed security taking brody's phone off him just to go into Estes office, surely a top secret meeting like that would warrant higher security than a casual meeting with Estes? hmm
I agree that Dana and possibly her new "friend" will have a much bigger part to play this season.
Not sure if carrier will get reinstated though, I hope she does. But I the tape never makes it back to CIA she's still unreliable in their eyes.

onedev Tue 23-Oct-12 20:57:33

I hope Saul is ok & it doesn't mean he's killed to leave Carrie alone again in knowing about Brody!

I love Dana - think she's hilarious & definitely key to keeping her dad on the right path as she seems to be the only one who can get through to him. Also, where has their son gone?

Love Homeland - it completely stresses me watching it!! grin

difficultpickle Tue 23-Oct-12 21:04:17

I'd assume that because Brody is close to the vp he has higher security clearance now so kept his phone.

cocolepew Tue 23-Oct-12 21:09:05

I'm about to watch the next episide on RTE another stressful hour grin

cocolepew Tue 23-Oct-12 22:36:09


ZacharyQuack Tue 23-Oct-12 23:34:00

Coco - I've seen that episode too shock

Carrie - complete fruitloop or genius?

onedev Wed 24-Oct-12 06:51:12

Definitely genius - that's the frustration for me as we can see that but they can't & dismiss her as crazy!

cocolepew Wed 24-Oct-12 08:58:42

Oohh I don't know. I could slap her sometimes grin

oh and wheres the son? dana had a younger brother. hope they havent done an eastender and mislaid the baby

cocolepew Wed 24-Oct-12 12:46:13

Chris was in it briefly last night.

diddl Wed 24-Oct-12 15:01:16

Well that´s Ep4 watched.


EldritchCleavage Wed 24-Oct-12 16:06:37

Ooh! May I please have a hint? Not an out and out spoiler, just a hint?

cocolepew Wed 24-Oct-12 16:38:23

No! Wait until Sunday <stern>.

EldritchCleavage Wed 24-Oct-12 16:40:39

I've got a pet lip now.

Fiderer Wed 24-Oct-12 16:46:20

Now now Eldritch, it's not fair to the others to give hints if they don't want any wink

BTW I agree, Estes is venal, great description. I wondered about the dinner too. Reporter and dep head of the CIA?

I still love Saul and he is Not the mole, sez I.

Fiderer Wed 24-Oct-12 16:49:56

Re mobiles: I suppose the CIA have a rule about none allowed but the White House doesn't confiscate mobiles of Congressmen.

In "The West Wing" the Roosevelt Room where meetings are held is signal proof (apart from for Chinese officials!) so I would assume the Sit Room would be too.

Wouldn't have been as dramatic though for Brody to nip out to the loo at that moment grin

EldritchCleavage Wed 24-Oct-12 17:00:12

Have to say, I'd love a casual meeting with Estes, fnarr fnarr. David Harewood was reading the bedtime story on CBeebies this weekend, to my and DH's great amusement.

My BIL's been in the Sit Room, I'll have to ask him what happened about his mobile.

Fiderer Wed 24-Oct-12 17:20:09

The real Sit Room? Wow. Hope he didn't press any buttons grin

EldritchCleavage Wed 24-Oct-12 18:32:28

He refuses to give me details. He goes to Bilderberg too.

Thinking about it-he's a shape-shifting lizard, isn't he? Pity, I do like him.

Fiderer Wed 24-Oct-12 22:31:38

Eldritch, never mind the shape-shifting, he's a valuable asset, get some eyes and ears on him.
Who knows, we may yet save the world.

<LeCarré emoticon>

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 24-Oct-12 23:35:32

Ok whilst we are picking plot holes - how would carrie be able to get through to the briefing room without a pass etc ?

EldritchCleavage Wed 24-Oct-12 23:49:04

Oh, good point. I would have though if she wasn't working there any more, she'd be escorted to Estes office and not allowed to leave there without an escort either.

Fiderer Thu 25-Oct-12 07:16:27

She had a pass, yellow I think, which she took off as she headed to the briefing. Maybe it was a particular grade of pass for those who are "OK". Estes' assistant didn't seem bothered by her going off.

She's v good, Claire Danes. I watched s1 over a weekend and found her acting the manic scenes a bit much, which was I think because only I missed the suspense and build-up.

juneau Thu 25-Oct-12 17:25:55

I just watched Sunday's episode last night and OMG that scene in the forest! I couldn't believe he killed the guy while he was on the phone to Jess shock and then stood at the car wash rinsing the blood and mud off himself, in sight of anyone who was passing by - he looked totally psychotic during that bit.

I have so many questions now. How is he going to explain what happened with the tailor? What's going to happen with him and Jess? Is she going to get back with the other guy? They seem a much better match TBH. It's brilliant - I love it!

difficultpickle Thu 25-Oct-12 20:09:11

I thought Bassell fell on a metal spike, Brody lifted him off, tried to save him but he died. What did he do to kill him? (I must make more effort to pay attention as I completely missed it).

Notquite Thu 25-Oct-12 20:13:06

He broke Bassell's neck - seemingly beacause he was calling out while Brody was on the phone.

Notquite Thu 25-Oct-12 20:13:32


NetworkGuy Thu 25-Oct-12 20:16:22

"To convince me he is really in the clear, he should have insisted Carrie be at the debriefing and played the footage then for everyone to see"

Saul returned late and didn't get to the debrief himself - Carrie was at her own home after finding she wasn't allowed to know what went on, had got dressed up, as if to go out, then had drugs and booze, then puked, then seemed like plenty of sleep [she had taken off the black dress and opened door in a dressing gown] and the fund raiser had finished when Saul knocked on her door and rang the bell, and twice he said he had come straight from the airport.

Have to agree with others that he'd be daft to take the call while in the forest with the tailor though, dumb to answer!

difficultpickle Thu 25-Oct-12 20:18:08

I thought he was helping lift him and he died. I clearly need to watch it twice!

NetworkGuy Thu 25-Oct-12 20:21:13

"The fact that the director is pushing us so much towards Saul being the mole makes me think it can't be."

Sorry, never had a thought Saul could be a mole, esp as he has Jewish roots. I think any reluctance or hesitation is to protect his own back, esp if Carrie has some strange idea, so he's just a bit more cautious and closer to pension age!

NetworkGuy Thu 25-Oct-12 20:29:17

bisjo - he was initially trying to keep him quiet with his hand over the guy's mouth, but eventually 'snapped' and did a sharp head twist to permanently shut him up. He had lifted him initially, leaned him against a tree and then was talking on the phone when the guy moaned at least once.

Think it might have been in part a reaction to the hassle, when he was only trying to help the man get to a safe house, but the guy clearly wouldn't trust him, had run off, clobbered him from behind, and tried running again. Maybe Brody thought that even if he got him to the safe house, the guy wouldn't stay there, would be found by cops/CIA and everything would be blown for him (Brody).

Brody didn't even see the (earlier) opportunity that the tailor had (and looked so close to taking) of hitting him from behind with the car jack, when Brody was down by the wheel.

I somehow thought it wasn't a spike, but a knife the tailor fell on... but I'm perhaps mistaken.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 25-Oct-12 21:01:12

It looked like a knife to me too - hunting trap maybe?

difficultpickle Thu 25-Oct-12 21:06:06

I thought it was a hunting trap rather than deliberate. I completely missed the head twist. Must try harder in my observations this Sunday smile

cocolepew Thu 25-Oct-12 21:53:06

It was a spike sticking out of the ground. How do you learn to do that neck snappy thing? I have someone in -mind.

PseudoBadger Thu 25-Oct-12 21:54:43

First step - be a Marine grin

onedev Thu 25-Oct-12 23:38:17

I went out with a US Marine for 3 years - don't think they teach that as standard although maybe they do & he kept it hidden grin

difficultpickle Sun 28-Oct-12 21:18:30

I don't trust Estes and don't trust Peter Quinn.

difficultpickle Sun 28-Oct-12 22:00:41

I've watched all of this week's episode and I don't understand why Carrie told Brody he'd been made. I thought the plan was to see what his plan was? confused x 1000.

MajesticWhine Sun 28-Oct-12 22:02:29

My take on it is that she screwed up. They don't have anything more on him after that do they? But equally confused

FrillyMilly Sun 28-Oct-12 22:02:54

Where does it go from here???

Im assuming Carrie blew it because she wanted revenge. He really go to we when he mentioned the ECT.

PseudoBadger Sun 28-Oct-12 22:03:12

Great episode. She was worried that he'd either warn his contacts or carry out whatever plan he had.

difficultpickle Sun 28-Oct-12 22:03:20

I'm watching it again on 4+1 blush

FrillyMilly Sun 28-Oct-12 22:03:24

*got to her

Hassled Sun 28-Oct-12 22:05:56

Yes, where does it go from here? They turn Brodie, or at least they think they do?

Hassled Sun 28-Oct-12 22:06:57

And how did he know about the ECT?

trifling Sun 28-Oct-12 22:13:53

Oh they must turn him and snd him back out. How come Roya didn't make the list when they were profiling his contacts?

difficultpickle Sun 28-Oct-12 22:16:11

I wondered about Roya. Wasn't Estes involved in the profiling choice? I wonder if that is the connection/mole? Estes is in the perfect position to deflect/focus attention on whomever he wants.

trifling Sun 28-Oct-12 22:18:17

Or Saul...

EldritchCleavage Sun 28-Oct-12 22:19:20

I think Carrie reacted not to the ECT question (which was crass) but the abrupt way he left. She said "Wait, that's it?" and he said he had an early start in the morning. He didn't even try and come on to her. I think she went into crazy mode after that.

difficultpickle Sun 28-Oct-12 22:19:20

Saul? Noooooo..

Hassled Sun 28-Oct-12 22:19:30

Not Saul. Never Saul.

But yes, you'd have thought they would have profiled her arse off at this stage.

lighthousekeeping Sun 28-Oct-12 22:20:00

Oh, I feel lucky just to be opening the wine and watching it now.

EldritchCleavage Sun 28-Oct-12 22:20:05

Estes has already done the arse profiling!

difficultpickle Sun 28-Oct-12 22:33:20

Eldritch that's his weakness isn't it? Wouldn't surprise me if it was him.

EldritchCleavage Sun 28-Oct-12 22:36:51

That and rampant ambition, bisjo.

I don't think Saul's bad, he's the moral centre of the whole programme. There has to be one. There is such a thing as being too clever and the audience getting disillusioned and ceasing to care. That's what would happen for me if Saul were a wrong 'un.

I'm glad Virgil's back, he's good value.

SlightlySeethrough Sun 28-Oct-12 22:40:51

Carrie no no no. She'd just got her credibility back and now she's lined herself to be labelled unreliable/emotionally led again.

I agree that something in her flipped when he didn't come on to her. She is obviously still in love with him and I think that her need to revenge/out him is driven as much by that as her professional hunger to convict a terrorist.

I don't trust that Quin creature at all. Can't make up my mind about Saul or Estes. The conversation that they had when they were alone together and Estes was viewing Brody's footage for the first time told us nothing, other than the fact that they are not 'in it together'.

I can't see what else they can do now other than to turn him and get him to double agent. I guess then we're almost back to square one wondering whether he has really been turned. I think because of the Issa thing, I don't think he ever can be so, for me, that would be a non-starter.

I hope the producer has a more creative mind than me you'd like to think so given that he is making Emmy Award winning drama

UltraBOF Sun 28-Oct-12 22:59:57

Wow. I wasn't expecting THAT shock

onedev Sun 28-Oct-12 23:32:13

Brill episode! I thought that she was convinced he'd made her so would simply warn his contacts & they'd go to ground & therefore the CIA would have nothing more to go on & so best to arrest him. confused

I like your double agent theory as I hadn't thought of that & would definitely keep us guessing!

I don't think that Estes or Saul are the traitor & hopefully not the lovely Quinn either grin

peedoffbird Mon 29-Oct-12 06:20:09

Who are Royal and Elddritch? Have been watching avidly but don't recognise those names!

peedoffbird Mon 29-Oct-12 06:21:24

I meant Roya.

diddl Mon 29-Oct-12 06:51:40


Eldritch is a poster on here!

I DONT TThink carrie went crazy, i think she realised he knew, she said she realsied he knew by the look in his eyes.

Hassled Mon 29-Oct-12 09:00:20

I agree - Carrie knows Brodie well enough to read him accurately - she knew he knew she was on to him, and that they didn't have much time. So the going up to his room thing was spot on - but I think it will be perceived as "Mad Flaky Carrie" by Estes etc.

i wonder if estes will be in troubel with Walden now? that seemed to be his main cncern.

bit daft how the cia were investigating the car cleanign place man and the taxi driver. but they did investigate the woman who spoke to brody.whatshername.

PseudoBadger Mon 29-Oct-12 09:04:09

I loved that the taxi diver was paranoid about dropping off to Langley - and sure enough there he is on the wall grin

Fiderer Mon 29-Oct-12 09:29:58

They did put Roya (journalist) up on the wall.

I think Carrie was right, Brody did behave noticeably different after she talked about the ECT. Totally unexpected ending. Great episode.

No mention of the mole yet though, this season.

I thought I'd be bored by the Dana/Finn story but it's v well done, imo. And am beginning to think there's more to it. What if Abu Nazir's plan for revenge involves an attack on Walden's son's school? Which Brody's children now also attend. Nazir lost his son because Walden & co targeted his school.

trifling Mon 29-Oct-12 09:51:54

Why are Dana and Finn texting each other as Sally/TJ?
(And why can't Dana speak properly, I missed half her lines)

Very good point Fiderer, you could well be right there re the school.

I missed last night's because we were at a bonfire party, but I can't wait to watch it later. I couldn't not read this thread so at least I know Saul doesn't die. I was worried about that.

PseudoBadger Mon 29-Oct-12 10:08:38

I've never found Rupert Friend attractive before. But I like him in the CIA

PseudoBadger Mon 29-Oct-12 10:09:26

And yet another English actor in the show!

Hassled Mon 29-Oct-12 10:27:38

trifling - I think it's Thomas Jefferson and I'm guessing the wife was a Sally?

Hassled Mon 29-Oct-12 10:28:41
Fiderer Mon 29-Oct-12 10:56:13

Pseudo - that's who he is, I couldn't figure out where I'd seen him!

I have to admit, I watched that scene in the bar twice because the first time I did think, "Carrie, no! You've blown it." But on a second watch you can see that Brody pulls back after the exchange about her ECT.

EldritchCleavage Mon 29-Oct-12 11:09:32

D'you think Brody was hoping the ECT would have dulled her, made her forget things? Then he realises actually her memory, intelligence etc are intact and she is still dangerous, hence the exit stage left?

Bearcat Mon 29-Oct-12 16:07:27

Did anyone notice the bit where Carrie 'accidently' bumped into Brody and they stood talking outside that building and the same actors kept going backwards and forwards to make the scene look busy with people.
DH spotted it, and then kept (about 3X) having to keep replaying it while we counted up the 'extras' walking back and forth. At least 3!
Poor continuity in such a great series.

cocolepew Mon 29-Oct-12 16:55:34

I still can't believe she told him she loved him! Apart from it wasn't very professional (understatement) she had thought all along he was a terrorist, but still fell in love.

Saul needs to kick her up the arse.

Dozer Mon 29-Oct-12 17:14:59

Am just getting into homeland, it's great, DH raved about the first series, might need to borrow a box set.

Quinn is fit!

Brody looked v evil when carrie called him a murderer etc and said he'd been getting away with it too long and he grinned and admitted it. Boggly eyes and demonic grin.

Toomuchtea Mon 29-Oct-12 17:45:05

Joining this a bit late, but Fiderer, yes, I think you might well have it there about the school.

Wingedharpy Mon 29-Oct-12 18:12:49

The ECT discussion was significant as when Brody mentioned it, Carrie, in a milli-second asked him how he knew about that.
IMHO, this demonstrated to him that her senses (and possibly memory) hadn't been wiped out by the experience thereby making him wary of her, and it demonstrated to her that there must be someone on the inside giving him information.
Agree with onedev, letting him walk away at that point would risk him dissappearing.
Have to say that at first, I thought she'd gone nuts too but maybe next week it will all become more (or less!) clear.
I have worked out that the format for the 1 hour show is that you think it's just all bumbling along and not much is happening for 58 minutes then in the last 2 miutes something completely unexpected happens and you are hooked in for the following week.
I love it.

fussychica Mon 29-Oct-12 18:30:32

OMG I can't believe it, I fell asleep shock when they were sitting at the bar together and woke up for the credits so I saw the 58 minutes but missed the 2 that counted shock
Not something I do often so must have been to do with the clocks changing
or I'm getting old and senile
Lucky I've got you lot to fill me in grin

diddl Mon 29-Oct-12 19:01:35

Anyone else seen ep5 yet?

trifling Mon 29-Oct-12 21:02:15

Or stage a hostage situation at the school?

gypsyfloss Mon 29-Oct-12 21:19:36

I'm not convinced the CIA men who rushed in and hooded him are really CIA. Perhaps they are Nazir's men?

difficultpickle Mon 29-Oct-12 21:22:55

Next week's trailer shows him being interrogated by Carrie.

gypsyfloss Mon 29-Oct-12 21:58:49

Ah ok, that blows that my theory out of the water smile

cocolepew Mon 29-Oct-12 22:06:21

I'll see it tomorrow diddl.

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 08:04:28

Ah good as I have a question!

PseudoBadger Tue 30-Oct-12 08:10:14

Now now, any questions need to be taken to a spoiler thread I think grin

diddl Tue 30-Oct-12 09:12:16

I was going to pm-don´t worry!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 30-Oct-12 23:29:54

MMm Quinn!

cocolepew Tue 30-Oct-12 23:31:59

I think I'll join the CIA. I reckon I'd be great apart from not being able to keep a secret.

NetworkGuy Wed 31-Oct-12 11:11:09

"I'm not convinced the CIA men who rushed in and hooded him are really CIA."

Don't you think Saul and the new chap (running the surveillance op) would have been rather agitated if the guys rushing in to hood Brody weren't guys they knew ? grin

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 31-Oct-12 12:20:36

No they are all in on it as well grin

PseudoBadger Wed 31-Oct-12 12:42:36

No, it'll be the old Only Fools and Horses fake ambulance crew skit. Next episode opens with the real CIA team rushing in the door....

diddl Thu 01-Nov-12 21:21:19

coco-tried to pm, but not sure if it worked.

Have you watched ep 5?

gypsyfloss Thu 01-Nov-12 21:40:42

Well...did it show Saul and newbie fellas face after the CIA men turned up? I can't remember . I do think Saul has secrets though. He manipulated his lie detector test on series one and since then I've wondered what his secret is.

yesbutnobut Thu 01-Nov-12 21:43:50

Does anyone else think Quinn (Rupert Friend of all people) will be Carrie's new love interest?

Why did Carrie have to blurt out that she loved Brody? I just worry that they'll start thinking she's not being rational still. (Not that I"m overly invested in this programme or anything smile)

cocolepew Thu 01-Nov-12 22:31:10

I have diddl. I did reply but not sure if you got it.

diddl Fri 02-Nov-12 07:05:36

Yes, thanks & have replied with my questionsblush

Did I send you just one pm yesterday?

I had an error message come up so kept pressing sendblush

cocolepew Fri 02-Nov-12 11:28:32

I did get it 3 times grin

Sorry my reply is a bit useless blush

diddl Fri 02-Nov-12 12:27:49

Wasn´t trying to harass you, honest!

cocolepew Fri 02-Nov-12 12:39:01

Its ok I believe you stalker

BeckAndCall Fri 02-Nov-12 12:44:30

This may have been said upthread but I find it hard to see how the series can go much longer now he is exposed. But I really hope they find a way!

But then DH said, he reckons he will be turned again and start operating as a double agent for them.....,.

diddl Fri 02-Nov-12 13:07:57

Coco-think I have just pm you a link to the whole ep.

Wanted to just do a screenshot.


Arithmeticulous Fri 02-Nov-12 13:10:33

Have they all signed up to series 3 though? I thought most had - which means I can't take this all too seriously.

cocolepew Fri 02-Nov-12 13:35:06


yesbutnobut Fri 02-Nov-12 18:14:03

The sub-plots are ticking along nicely. I really like the Dana and VP's son story and it looks as if Mike and (is it?) Lauder are starting to question what really happened to Walker. I can see this side of the plot developing and will Mike get back with Jessica?

UltraBOF Fri 02-Nov-12 18:21:32

Oh yes, that pair of Thunderbird puppets belong together.

Arithmeticulous Fri 02-Nov-12 20:41:29

All this stuff in the news about the Polly Peck guy is making me shock YOOHOO CARRIE, HE'S OVER HERE!!

tribpot Sat 03-Nov-12 16:34:45

Is it very credible that they would have gone in and taken Brody based on one video that could be a fake for all they know? I assume they've done clever things with timestamps but even so. And beyond that, what does it prove? He could claim to have no memory of having made the video (blame it on PTSD for example) and has he actually broken any laws?

yesbutnobut Sat 03-Nov-12 20:50:29

I agree tribot - and even if they think it's genuine, what we've heard on the video does not necessarily prove he's a terrorist does it? There may be a twist in the plot there. I expect they will keep the tape and the arrest from the VP - very few people know about it at the moment - so I guess they may keep Brody in his position having 'turned him' (or so they'll think).

I'm so excited about tomorrow's episode - apparently the Carrie/Brody scenes are electric! Love this show smile

diddl Sun 04-Nov-12 08:27:00

It was Carrie´s outburst that made them arrest him, surely?

Rollergirl1 Sun 04-Nov-12 10:26:51

It was totally their exchange in his hotel room that made them arrest him. As soon as she started talking about his "bullshit" you saw Saul say "Go In" and Quinn got straight on the phone. There is no question that they were CIA.

Also doesn't he pretty much admit to everything that she said? I know that it can be classed as ambigous but Carrie says how long can you get away with it and he replies something like "I don't know, I seem to be pretty good at it."

tribpot Sun 04-Nov-12 11:00:12

I know that generally you only have to look at someone in a funny way to end up being renditioned to Guantanamo, but you think they'd want something a bit less flimsy before arresting a Congressman confused

Arithmeticulous Sun 04-Nov-12 11:31:02

Didn't she say something about him adding her to his secret kill count and him agreeing?

Hassled Sun 04-Nov-12 20:24:45

Can't wait can't wait can't wait.
Yes, I think whatever he said to Carrie in the hotel pre-arrest would have been enough to be taken as admission of guilt/that the video was genuine.

UltraBOF Sun 04-Nov-12 21:01:44

I'm dying of impatience, I just hope DP makes it in time for us to watch it together, otherwise I'll have to wait and watch on +1, and I'll have to force myself not to read anything on this thread.

PseudoBadger Sun 04-Nov-12 22:09:10

I did not like that shot of Virgil as Carrie drove away. I'm suspicious.

missymum Sun 04-Nov-12 22:17:03

Virgil? Was it definately him? What a fantastic episode !

FrillyMilly Sun 04-Nov-12 22:20:53

Virgil looked really sinister. Is there any significance to showing the person who was hit by Dana and the VPs son?

LauraPashley Sun 04-Nov-12 22:21:07

I thought Virgil looked a bit creepy too! But then the shot back at Brody's house seemed just to suggest that that was Virgil settled there for the foreseeable future?

Did Brody not give up the reporter then? Is he actually going to be a double double agent?!

Hassled Sun 04-Nov-12 22:22:54

Virgil was just there to keep tabs on Brodie, wasn't he? In a "remember we're here" sort of way?

Can someone remind me of the reasons why we know there's a CIA mole? I have:
Brodie's guard being slipped a razor blade by someone (probably Brodie in the fight)
Something to do with the Saudi diplomat? Or am I making that up?
Was there something about the couple near the airport being prewarned of something?

Hassled Sun 04-Nov-12 22:23:31

No, Brodie did give up the reporter woman. She was one of the people he listed as contacts.

PseudoBadger Sun 04-Nov-12 22:27:03

I know that's why he was there, it was just something about the angle/shot/timing/knowledge there's a mole/he's known everything since the beginning but isn't technically in the CIA. And we're clearly meant to trust him like Carrie does.

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 04-Nov-12 22:27:04

I didn't get the names of all the contacts... but he DID say that they're all dead. Reporter lady not dead, is she?

Hassled Sun 04-Nov-12 22:30:33

Oh I see (re Virgil). Blimey - you're messing with my head now.

I'm sure he said the reporter woman's name. Although given that I can't even remember her name right now, I'm not what you'd call a reliable witness.

LauraPashley Sun 04-Nov-12 22:32:17

That's what I wondered too, I didn't catch the names but then they said they were all dead! Although they left her on the board didn't they. Hmmm.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 04-Nov-12 22:35:28

I think it was Carrie who said all dead and she was referring to Tom Walker and the Saudi ambassador - maybe one other name killed in the strike on Abu Nazir. It was ambiguous as of course the tailor is dead but the CIA don't know that yet.

cocolepew Sun 04-Nov-12 22:46:50

Do you think Carrie is in love with him? Or is she using that as an angle to get him to trust her?

notwoo Sun 04-Nov-12 22:51:13

Did anyone else think that the woman they hit with the car looked suspiciously like the reporter lady? Could be be very messy!

cocolepew Sun 04-Nov-12 22:53:37

That's what Diddl was pming me about, she thinks its her. I couldn't figure out if it was or not.

PseudoBadger Sun 04-Nov-12 22:56:15

I need to watch again as I missed a whole chunk (after Rupert Friend stabbed Brodie) thanks DS
I'll look closer at the dying lady.

Hassled Sun 04-Nov-12 22:56:16

DS2 thought she was the reporter - we rewinded and I'm pretty sure she wasn't. Couldn't work out of she was dead or not though.

Re Carrie - yes, I think she is still in love with Brodie. And hates the fact she is. But then that "If I could tell the truth I'd say I want you to leave your wife and kids for me" thing just sounded like a spin, so I don't know <useless>.

difficultpickle Sun 04-Nov-12 22:58:51

He definitely said reporter's name. He said her name first and Carrie was really surprised. Then when asked to list the others he did and said they are all dead.

Hard to tell if it was the reporter they ran over (I'm watching on 4+1 as watched fab Space Dive earlier).

difficultpickle Sun 04-Nov-12 22:59:57

Woman they ran over looked like Saul's wife.

I also wondered if the run over lady was Roya, but then thought no, but I'm not really sure why confused

DH and I can't decide if Carrie is in love with Brody or if she's saying it to keep him onside.

I must stop thinking that this is real! I felt sorry for Brody tonight and was worried about how fucked up he must be! [need to get a life emotion]

mcfullmooncup Sun 04-Nov-12 23:02:34

Ooooo it was Virgil......I couldn't work out who it was.

Saul was very quick to defend Rupert Friend after he stabbed Brody. I found that really odd.

difficultpickle Sun 04-Nov-12 23:37:08

Had a look on 4OD. Woman doesn't look like reporter or Saul's wife. I also don't think it is Virgil in the car outside Brodie's house. It looked more like Rupert Friend to me.

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 04-Nov-12 23:41:34

Wowsers, that's Rupert Friend? Had not twigged!
All I noticed about the run-over person is it was a adult woman, with brown hair. And her sleeve was floral patterned. I'd make a crap witness!

difficultpickle Sun 04-Nov-12 23:42:52

It helps when you stop it on 4OD and have a look. I'm pretty certain about Rupert but not a clue who the woman is.

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 04-Nov-12 23:46:51

I'd hazard a guess that the woman was pregnant and that she was in a floral mat dress. But I'd not stake nary a sandwich on it.

Oh that was good <contended sigh>

Brodie definitely gave up Roya but I don't think it was her that Dana & Co ran over (have freeze framed for ages blush). I do think that Dana won't be able to live with the secret and will eventually confide in Brodie (they have form for 'sharing') and that Brodie may somehow use this info to blackmail/silence the VP at some point.

But I mostly think Carrie is awesome and that 99% of what she said to Brodie was true. She is definitely in love and obsessed with him and they both know it. I think that's what is so fascinating abut watching them together - they are both utterly damaged but mange to cover it up to most people. Together, however, they are both completely exposed which gives them the connection they have.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what the writers do with the dynamics of their relationship now that they are 'allegedly' working together.

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 06:39:08

Yes, I´d thought that the woman was Roya.

Looked again last night & not sure-clothes didn´t look right?

But I´m wondering-did Finn run her over or was she pushed by whoever was standing over her at the end?

Will Dana tell Brody?

What´s with Virgil tailing Carrie?

Hard to tell what´s real from Carrie, isn´t it?

RuByMaMa Mon 05-Nov-12 07:03:21

Oh my. What a bloody brilliant episode last night! The dynamics between Carrie and Brody were fantastic! Just one thing bugging me... He said to Carrie he didn't know what Nazir was planning, but didn't he secretly write down some sort of codes from Estes safe when he was alone in his office? Surely that'd be relevant information? Aaagh, and so begins the whole 'who is he working for?' that drove me nuts in series 1 (not sure I can cope with all that again!).

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 07:24:07

Yes, that´s it for me.

Has it jumped the shark?

I mean really-they´ll trust him to tell them what´s going on?hmm

Wonder how many more series there are?

I can´t see it turning out that as a US Marine his ultimate loyalty will be to Nazir, (can´t really see the programme makers going for that).

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 07:53:57

It felt a bit like a jumped shark to me sad

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 07:56:02

Also, wouldn't the CIA have come up with something better than "he's got the flu" - emergency with another returning soldier, need for some urgent political action in Alabama etc etc.

PseudoBadger Mon 05-Nov-12 07:57:31

I heard there may be 7 series.... shock

Nancy66 Mon 05-Nov-12 10:30:51

i enjoyed the episode but it has all got a bit daft.

So, the CIA realise that they have captured, alive, a terrorist who tried to assassinate one of the most powerful men in the country - but they let him go on the condition he does a bit of spying for them. Even though he is clearly unhinged and brainwashed.

my guess is that Nasir finds out and kills Chris. 'My son dies and now so does yours' type thing. The son suddenly had a much bigger part last night so makes sense.

Tamoo Mon 05-Nov-12 11:11:53

I find it slightly stretching things to think that they would just release Brody back to his family when ten minutes earlier he had essentially had a breakdown and been lying on the floor of the interrogation room in a foetal position. How can they confidently say he is going to be trustworthy when in such close proximity to leaders of government? Also where was Estes in this part of the show? And what happened to his date with the terrorist reporter?!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 11:19:59

Exactly Tamoo! They really needed a better cover story to buy themselves a few days with him.

bananaistheanswer Mon 05-Nov-12 11:30:36

I can't get my thoughts straight on this but I think the VP's son running over the woman is a useful plot line brody will use later to his advantage somehow. The daughter wont keep that to herself. Possibly to save his son? Can't think how that would work but its an interesting twist. He needs some sort of get out of jail card if they are going to take this beyond this series. I agree that the breakdown then calm walk into his home doesn't quite fit. Still, the carrie/brody stuff was pretty powerful.

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 12:19:53

Yes I think Dana will tell Brody-have I already said that?blush

Also, maybe I´m remembering wrong but I thought that Carrie said something about a new identity/move away (cos he´s not that recognisablehmm)-am guessing that´s for after he´s helped to foil Nazir!

bananaistheanswer Mon 05-Nov-12 12:25:37

You did diddl but I read that as the wife. blush I get names mixed up easily. Dana sounds like a wife name to me grin

strandednomore Mon 05-Nov-12 14:06:58

Hmm, this now has the smell of Lost to me...a very successful programme that gets the green light for several more series when the writers had only really thought ahead to one, maybe two series...so lots of plot twists and turns that don't really make sense and no-one has really thought through and will be quietly dropped at some point (ie what about the mole from series one?)....just so they can keep it going for as long as it's making money. They probably know the ending (I suspect Brody will either die or be re-located with Carrie by his side) but they just don't know how they are getting there yet.
And they have had to "turn" Brody to make him palatable to the US audience, if he is going to be in it for several more years.
Still enjoying it though!

Arithmeticulous Mon 05-Nov-12 14:13:39

I think I need to watch it again.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 05-Nov-12 14:14:27

I thought Carrie said indemnity not identity? As in they would sort out indemnity from prosecution?

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 14:26:17

That would make sense!

cocolepew Mon 05-Nov-12 14:32:02

Yes she said he had to quit politics and move away and he would face no charges .

VivaLeBeaver Mon 05-Nov-12 14:37:48

I think it's a shame if in the show he does have to quit politics, move away. They could have surely made it more interesting if he'd stayed a congressman, been close to the Vice President, etc.

Tamoo Mon 05-Nov-12 14:44:19

I think part of the reason it's taken this turn is that the writers want to get back to that 'will they, won't they' thing between Carrie and Brody, ie basically sex it up. Note the plan to have their top secret espionage meetings at her place.

Anyway I've seen those two shagging <<bored>> I'd rather watch Estes get down to it. Or the new CIA guy. Or both of them at once.

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 15:02:33

But if he quits politics then he no longer has the cover of finding out stuff for Nazir?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 15:05:06

I think he won't quit before Nazir is caught. But I don't think Carrie made that very clear!

lighthousekeeping Mon 05-Nov-12 15:13:55

Why is Carrie so in love with him? Its not like he promised her anything.

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 15:16:32

Maybe she´s not as in love as she says?

Nancy66 Mon 05-Nov-12 15:19:27

i think the 'leaving politics' is after they've finished with him isn't it?

if he lives politics now Nazir will smell a rat.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 05-Nov-12 15:30:49

That would make sense Nancy.

lighthousekeeping Mon 05-Nov-12 15:47:02

Ive just watched it and Im confused it doesnt take much

When she was driving him home she said "I assume youve spoken to M about me?" and that they will use the affair as the cover. Who was she on about? and why did he tell his wife straight out?

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 15:49:28

Roya-who i think had suggested that Brody reestablish contact with Carrie?

lighthousekeeping Mon 05-Nov-12 15:54:09

I really thought I heard it as an M and I rewound three times.

I cant remember her suggesting he contacted her.

Does anyone else feel like theyve missed an episode along the way?

Nancy66 Mon 05-Nov-12 15:59:53

i have to record it and watch it so i can rewind and listen to things twice otherwise i'd never keep up.

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 16:07:43

Maybe I´m not thinking of the exact bit, but in the car Carrie says "I assume you´ve spoken to Roya about me"

Brody says "It was her who suggested I contact you"

Carrie says "to explain any absence just say you were with me"

(not verbatim)

Tamoo Mon 05-Nov-12 16:19:10

Carrie also said "Great, that'll be our cover" and she definitely said that when they needed to meet they would do so at her place. (Hope Jessica hasn't got 'find my iphone' installed on Brody's mobile.)

Carrie also said that they would just phone each other when they had to arrange a meeting, I remember clearly wondering how he's going to keep all that back and forth from his wife.

I also think the hit and run is eventually going to involve Walden in some way. He's going to do something (political) he doesn't want to in order to save his son's golden future. Maybe withdraw from the presidential running, maybe admit the drone strike?

Hassled Mon 05-Nov-12 17:50:19

I started off disliking Jessica intensely - I like her now. They've developed her character well - that scene with Dana was nice.

lighthousekeeping Mon 05-Nov-12 18:01:35

I dont think the person he ran over is anything to us. Yet.

I also dont understand why someone was tailing her. Do we know for sure who that was?

PseudoBadger Mon 05-Nov-12 18:08:14

I watched it again today. It was definitely Virgil in the car behind Carrie, I'm guessing pre-arranged to watch Brody's house?

yesbutnobut Mon 05-Nov-12 18:13:32

I thought the close up of the accident victim was to show us that the person was injured but not killed? I agree with Tamoo that the accident will be used against Walden in some way - maybe Walden will find our about Brody but won't be able to use that information because Brody knows Walden's secret? For sure I imagine Dana will confide in her father about the accident.

I absolutely thought the interrogation was amazing TV. When Brody laid his head down on the table you just felt his relief. (Though what was injection - presumably some sort of pain relieving narcotic?) However, I don't think he has been 'turned' to the CIA. For one thing, after it taking years to turn him to Nazir's cause, surely it would take a bit longer to turn him in the opposite direction? And another thing which made me think Brody is not to be trusted is that, despite Carrie saying he must keep it secret, Brody immediately told Jess what he was doing. Now you can bet Jess will divulge this to Mike??

Phew what an episode. I needed a glass of wine just like Carrie at the end smile

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 18:15:19

Oh, huh. I thought him telling Jess was agreed - they didn't give him any other cover story, did they?

lighthousekeeping Mon 05-Nov-12 18:16:00

I agree. I could not understand why he told Jessica at all.

FrillyMilly Mon 05-Nov-12 18:43:23

Didn't he tell Jessica because she said he couldn't come back until he started telling the truth? Surely if he came out with some lame excuse she wouldn't have believed him and kicked him out?

WipsGlitter Mon 05-Nov-12 18:49:21

I think he was vague telling Jessica. It's not inconceivable that given his background he would be advising them. And he didn't go into detail.

strandednomore Mon 05-Nov-12 19:10:24

I agree, I think him telling Jess that he was working for the CIA was genius - he doesn't have to tell her any more than that and from now on ALWAYS has an excuse for when he disappears/sounds like he's strangling a man in a forest when she calls him etc

VivaLeBeaver Mon 05-Nov-12 20:25:01

I thought maybe the tail was for Dana's boyfriend. That been the VP's son he'd have a bodyguard when out and about?

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 20:29:33

Finn did have security, but they lost them-hence the accident.

Who was standing over the woman at the end?

Jeans & brown suede shoes.

Kept looking back & couldn´t see anyone with that combo!

Nancy66 Mon 05-Nov-12 20:36:32

the car behind Carrie and Brody was definitely Virgil

cocolepew Mon 05-Nov-12 20:44:06

Virgil is going to keep an eye on Brody house. Tbh I thought he would have told Jess he was working for the CIA long before now, it would have been perfect cover for his disappearing all the time.
I think the person with the hit and run victim was someone who had gone to help or may it was the bodyuards having caught up. Dana and thingy sat for ages, at the scene, in the car after hitting the woman.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 21:22:40

It wasnt the bodyguards - it wasn't a big black 4x4.

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 21:24:13

Wasn´t the bodyguards as the person wasn´t in a suit.

yesbutnobut Mon 05-Nov-12 21:58:30

The thing is with Jess knowing Brody works for the CIA is that she'll tell Mike, and the whole story about Brody being with Walker on the day he died - and possibly working together - will come out. I think the fact that Brody told Jess in the way he did shows he has his own plan, he has worked things out for himself rather than going along with what the CIA are telling him.

It definitely was Virgil, I agree.

Will now watch it for a second time....

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 22:01:11

Oh yes, was def Virgil.

Who else did anyone think it was?

treadonthecracks Mon 05-Nov-12 22:03:19

That wasn't the end of the series was it?

diddl Mon 05-Nov-12 22:13:10


Not sure how many there are 8?10?

That was 5, wasn´t it?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 22:15:25

Thought it was a random CIA person, diddl.

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 05-Nov-12 22:53:14

That was ep 5 of 12.
I am bad, as I read the synopsis of ep 6. So I can now no longer comment on all the speculation, so as not to give away any spoilers.

difficultpickle Mon 05-Nov-12 23:10:18

I thought it was Rupert.

yesbutnobut Tue 06-Nov-12 09:01:52

Pleased there are 12 episodes - still 7 to go, anything could happen.

MunchkinsMumof2 Tue 06-Nov-12 14:50:41

I'm loving this series even more than the first and have got dh into it which makes it more fun as can share conspiracy theories!

UltraBOF Tue 06-Nov-12 14:59:40

The Dana/Fin incident was genuinely shocking. It's hard to believe that the boy wouldn't realise that it was disastrous to just fuck off like that. For all his wanking on about US political history in the last episode, he clearly hasn't remembered Edward Kennedy and the Chappaquidick débâcle.

stranded I agree with you that the writers are going to have to be careful not to fall into the trap that Lost did, with so many red herrings and unresolved 'moments' that it was always going to be impossible to tie everything up.

Already the final cliffhanger from season one (where Carrie is remembering Brody calling out Issa's name and making the connection, just before she is given electroshock therapy) is null and void.

I loved Lost but eventually I was just watching because I had invested so much time and for naked shots of Sawyer and the finale was disappointing because so many 'key moments' turned out to be red herrings that were just dropped.

I guess we are almost going to go full circle with this series. Brody will be 'working' for the CIA and we will be wondering whether he is a double agent or triple - same 'is he/isn't he' as the first season and with a similar 'will they/won't they' with Carrie.

And that's fine with me

PseudoBadger Tue 06-Nov-12 20:17:23

Slightly I thought that perhaps the Carrie/Isa memory was just to stress what brilliant knowledge and memories was being risked by the treatment.

Pseudo good point. More subtly worrying

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 07-Nov-12 11:49:16

I really wish that the first brilliant series had ended with Brodie blowing up the VP. Then it could have been a searing, stand alone, brilliant 12 part drama.

Now - despite loving all the characters still it is completely implausible.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 07-Nov-12 11:52:43

But - what bloody brilliant acting from everyone. I can't remember a series (other than The Killing) where the sheer brilliance of the acting from everyone bar none blew me away.

But the scriptwriters are in cloud cuckoo land.

FrillyMilly Wed 07-Nov-12 11:59:50

I'm a bit confused. Carrie nearly worked it all with her wall of paperwork then just as she went for her ECT she made the connection which is Abu Nasir's son being killed. Are we to assume as soon as she knew she had been right about him it all came back to her? Is the drone strike cover up at CIA out in the open now?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 07-Nov-12 12:00:40

I agree, GetOrf.

yesbutnobut Wed 07-Nov-12 12:31:29

I agree with frilly - how come Quinn knew about the Issa connection (he used this in his interrogation)? Are we to conclude that a) Carrie realised the connection and b) despite having the ECT has not only remembered the connection but has told the rest of the CIA?

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 07-Nov-12 13:11:40

And how many times can I used the word brilliant?

PseudoBadger Wed 07-Nov-12 13:55:26

Didn't Brody explain about Isa in the video?

tribpot Wed 07-Nov-12 17:07:55

That would make sense. God, I wish they would let us watch that bloody video one time all the way through, instead of showing just the first 30 seconds over and over. Admittedly this would involve the writers having to construct an amazing speech rather than just snippets, but it feels weird not having seen it ever.

Flossiechops Wed 07-Nov-12 17:30:45

I worry that it will end up like Lost, brilliant first series but the producers then make it up as they go along!

FrillyMilly Wed 07-Nov-12 18:37:30

The thing that really annoyed me with lost is the people who produced/wrote it said they knew where they wanted it to go from the beginning. They clearly didn't as the ending was a complete cop out and left so much unexplained. They may as well had a main character waking up and it was all it dream.

I think the problem is the way American TV works. From what I can gather if a series is successful they commission several seasons and contract the actors to several seasons. This means the shows gets stale and they drag storylines on for ages/revisit them because they don't even shake it up my having a cast cull and moving on to new characters. There are so many shows that should have ended several seasons before they actually did and I just hope this isn't one.

I am thinking of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip now.

Completely different genre but it was BRILLIANTLY written, excellent cast, rave reviews and then, for dark and mysterious reasons, cancelled after one series which meant that that writers had to make everything happen quickly in order to tie it up.

I think of it fondly as it never had the chance to go stale.

Conversely, Lost and also (in a more shallow but entertaining way) Nip/Tuck. Could have actually been quite good, dark and disturbing look at the cosmetic surgery industry and some of the relationship stuff was quite compelling but then after the second series it became utterly ridiculous, with ludicrous storylines and all the characters turned into parody's of themselves. They dragged it out so long it ended up on FX or some such channel

I would hate to find that Homeland is something I am watching just because I have invested in the first two series' and not because it is brilliant.

FrillyMilly Wed 07-Nov-12 19:37:44

Studio 60 was fantastic. I have no idea why that was cancelled. Off the top of my head I can't think of any other US show that I was sad to see end or where I was left wanting more. Even big shows like friends where dragged out for far too long.

tribpot Wed 07-Nov-12 19:44:48

Yes, in the pantheon of Sorkin Injustices, the cancellation of Studio 60 is up there with the inexplicable decision not to cancel The Newsroom grin

Very difficult for any long-running series to avoid Mad Stuff happening to its lead characters (one of the charms of Revenge is that Mad Stuff is built in from the beginning, so they can pretty much do what the hell they like).

Homeland could never sustain this intensity and twisty-turniness of storyline for too long without drifting into parody.

yesbutnobut Wed 07-Nov-12 21:02:41

Pseudo - thanks, I hadn't realised Brody explains the Issa story in the video. That would make sense indeed. Must pay better attention!

Hassled Wed 07-Nov-12 21:25:29

One day they'll show us the entire video. And it will probably blow our minds - there's a reason we haven't seen it all, and that's because there's some twist we don't know about in there which will make sense of something or other, or cause our heads to explode.

Agree absolutely re a) the dangers of making Homeland become shit by dragging it out just for the hell of it and b) the glory that was Studio 60.

tribpot Wed 07-Nov-12 21:40:05

What if Nazir planted the video? It's not clear how it got from the bench where Brody left it to Beirut. What if they thought it was easier to control the story if they blew the whistle on Brody themselves ...

cocolepew Wed 07-Nov-12 22:05:01

Never fear the next episode is excellent shock