tough young teachers

(131 Posts)
theladyrainy Fri 10-Jan-14 20:53:42

I watched this tonight on the i-player. Even my 12 year old was wincing.

6 weeks training and then send graduates into schools to take classes, including Y10/11 pupils who are studying for their GCSE's.

Not a channel 5 reality TV idea...this actually happens.

Campaspe Fri 10-Jan-14 21:07:14

I thought the behaviour of some of the pupils was very unpleasant. Meryl was a lovely person, but I was not impressed that she doesn't like reading, and her lack of preparation.

nennypops Fri 10-Jan-14 21:48:19

Not a great advert for the Teach First programme, but I must say in confirmed what I've heard elsewhere. It does seem as if this just another attempt to get teachers on the quiet. I wonder what the dropout rate is?

Philoslothy Fri 10-Jan-14 21:54:10

I was a teach first teacher, I think it is very dependent on the level of training provided by the school. I was very lucky

PenguinBear Sat 11-Jan-14 11:47:10

I am a teacher and so glad my training was nothing like that!!!

It seemed so unfair on them to be thrown in at the deep end like that... especially with GCSE classes where it could have massive implications for the kids futures!

In the preview of next week, I felt sorry for the young girl who was told she was a cause for concern. They shouldn't e labelling her, they should be helping her handle those awful kids!

I have been teaching (primary) for many years but feel that if I were to be put Infront of secondary school children, I would struggle.

theladyrainy Sat 11-Jan-14 14:57:03

I agree that is's not a good situation for either the trainees or the pupils.

I don't think it's fair to say that the children are awful though. Even children in 'naice' schools are capable of awful behaviour for weak teachers.

PenguinBear Sat 11-Jan-14 15:46:18

theladyrainy You're right, the children themselves were not awful. I should have rwad my post back before posting. Their behaviour was allowed to become awful due to the actions or lack of of their inexperienced teacher.

Retropear Sat 11-Jan-14 15:50:55

I was a bit shocked too.

I was trained the old way.I did think they were incredibly confident,perhaps more so than myself and my peers which was a plus however the throwing in at the deep end bit with very little support,class control training etc worried me greatly as a parent.It particularly annoys me as obviously the kids of Tories will never be taught by such a system ie great idea in theory(when your kids won't be subjected to it) not so good in reality when it's your kids having such a student.

Other things that shocked me were the literacy levels in the bottom class.Where were the IEPs,where the LSAs,why was it such a shock to the student(did she not research the level of her class before planning) and how on earth have so many left primary school with that level of literacy?Said teacher was right she shouldn't be trying to teach exam level English to kids who can't spell 4 letter words.

The kids standing up to eat their lunch,not on,not on at all. Ime kids often behave like they're treated.Treating kids with little respect and expecting them to roam around and eat wherever won't help self esteem or behaviour.

nennypops Sat 11-Jan-14 17:30:02

I suspect the school that was sinking into the landfill site where pupils had to eat lunch standing up was a casualty of the cancellation of the Building Schools for the Future programme. Still never mind, eh, the money went instead to various Friends of Cameron to open free schools in places where there was no demand for extra school places.

MiaowTheCat Sat 11-Jan-14 21:03:37

I must have done supply in some really tough schools then since I thought the kids weren't bad at all generally! And that's comparing their behaviour for a contracted member of staff to supply (where you really do expect them to try to see where the limits are).

Did cringe like mad at the "well I can't really tell them off when they're just talking" line though. May have been heard yelling "YES YOU BLOODY CAN" at the screen...

English teacher seems a bit power crazed and doesn't actually like reading. She was clearly annoyed to have not managed to catch a pupil out when he said he had a hospital appointment and had to miss detention.

Science teacher has the enthusiasm and the care just needs to learn discipline.

Re teacher seems to think the education of the commoners doesn't matter. His attitude stinks, I hope it improves.

Geography teacher seems competent, she's on yr 2 I think.

Kids are quite cheeky and unmotivated in parts - not helped by a crumbling school that's overcrowded and being taught for their exams by people who've been trained for 6 weeks - how is that going to inspire them to try and feel like they're worth anything.

I'm sure schemes like this can work but it's not filing me with confidence so far!

fussychica Sun 12-Jan-14 10:32:05

Just my kind of programme. I found it rather worrying that they only had 6 weeks formal training.t all relies on the school and I can't say I was impressed with the support given so far. Certainly seems a way of getting teachers on the cheap. To be honest I as surprised that the behaviour wasn't worse given the circumstances.

My DS is thinking of teaching when he completes his degree and is currently working in a French secondary school as a language assistant. He is supposed to be with a teacher all the time but takes every class aloneshock. He is a very confident lad & loves it, despite some disruptive pupils. Looking at this programme though I hope he goes down the PGCE route. Even the Teach First website says only 50% of those completing the programme continue to teach - they don't say how many drop out before they finish - many I suspect.

januarysunsetfire Sun 12-Jan-14 17:27:44

I am catching up on this now.

In fairness, I do think that 'deep end' is not a bad thing.

eatyourveg Sun 12-Jan-14 18:09:08

There's another thread on this over in Staffroom where Meryl gets a rather large thumbs down. I certainly wouldn't want any of my dc to be in her class.

Loved the business studies man who played classical music and felt so sorry for him when his computer containing all the material and his lesson plan crashed just as his students were coming in.

januarysunsetfire Sun 12-Jan-14 18:21:57

I don't think she was as bad as all that. Has there only been the one episode so far? smile

januarysunsetfire Sun 12-Jan-14 18:24:37

I did miss her being late, though!

She was awful: late, no lesson plan, no books, shouty, horrible about low ability pupils, wanting to catch the boy out and not seeing the best in pupils, didn't like reading and didn't have a passion for English - how can we expect her pupils to either?

GW297 Tue 14-Jan-14 22:48:29

I love all these kinds of things! This was the first episode - looking forward to the next one this week!

BettyBotter Tue 14-Jan-14 22:59:14

I'm surprised Meryl got onto the Teach First programme, actually. It's supposed to be for the cream of the graduate crop with outstanding passion and enthusiasm.

Meryl seemed to have no understanding of what teaching actually involves, let alone an interest in her subject.

I was fairly appalled at her quasi-motivational approach of asking the bottom set what they thought of themselves ("we're thick") and then berating them for their negative attitude. confused

Ubik1 Tue 14-Jan-14 23:01:11

Just realised this is my old school - it's crown woods isn't it.

Wish them the best of luck...grin

poopooheadwillyfatface Wed 15-Jan-14 09:51:59

I really enjoyed the programmegrin
The student teachers all seemed terribly posh didn't they?
The science teacher had great potential I thought. Really enthusiastic.
But Meryl. Blimey I'm not a teacher but she seemed very poor to me. I couldn't do it either TBF but I know I couldn't do it, IYKWIM

checkmates Wed 15-Jan-14 12:33:46

It was educational for the viewers but not necessarily the children

MiaowTheCat Wed 15-Jan-14 12:34:58

The English girl smacked to me of marking time in the same sort of way that some would go off backpacking in Nepal teaching Esperanto to "poor" families or similar. Has lived a pretty secluded existence if she didn't realise there were kids out there unable to write in sentences - and you wonder what their introductory 6 weeks has been teaching them about how it was going to be in a tough school if they hadn't got across the literacy problems lots would have really (and I would have included "have a plan B if relying on technology cos by and large school computer networks are shit" as training point number 1 to be honest).

I trained with the first batch of Fast Track Teaching trainees (our PGCE took a lot of them) and I have to say there were a fair few on that who were similar, one who particularly loved producing lesson plans but hated kids - with an astronomically high drop out rate from them. Very much they were good at assessment centres - rather than children if that makes sense.

The kids actually seemed like the sort who'd push the boundaries, work out where they were and then reduce it to more of a level of banter than backchat - rather than some of the really horrid days I've had with kids who did just actively want to destroy you and make you cry - by and large with the odd exception.

BTW I'm a graduate from one of the "excellent" universities that have the graduate prestige recruiters swarming all over them like flies on a turd - I'd have been prime picking for something like this - but I still wouldn't have touched it as a route into teaching with a disinfected bargepole. Most of what I learnt that was useful yes it was learnt on teaching practice, but it was learnt with informal chats with mentors, watching my mentor, team teaching with my mentor... not being clagged in a classroom with an empty ring binder labelled lesson plans and told to get swimming or sink.

eatyourveg Wed 15-Jan-14 13:40:35

Not sure if it was on the other thread about this over in staffroom or in a newspaper review but the idea of it being seen as something akin to a gap year/World Challenge that would enhance a CV was something that someone else raised. I tend to agree when it comes to Meryl.

Teaching is not just another job which pays the mortgage, its a vocation and if your heart isn't in it, you should not go into the classroom - its simply not fair on the pupils.

Clawdy Wed 15-Jan-14 16:02:55

Erm...what does "moist" mean? smile

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