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This Strictly Come Dancing thing - are the judges a bit racist?(240 Posts)
So for the first time in my life, I have been exposed to this Strictly stuff. Fairly predictably it was utter crap. Brucie almost remembered all of his lines, which was good.
Then I started looking at the scores.
You tell me why this performance - Susanna Reid & Kevin dance the Paso Doble to 'Los Toreadors' - - where the non-professional swished her skirts a few times
got the same marks as this performance.
Natalie Gumede & Artem dance the Charleston to 'Bang Bang'- Where the non-professional played a blinder. That girl could seriously but seriously dance.
And then tell me that racism isn't institutional.
No comment from OP on last night's programme, I see. You know, the one where Natalie got the highest marks.
Exactly what I was wondering Nenny.
Nenny, are you trying to say that the judges aren't racist? That Natalie got the highest marks (as she did last week when the OP started the thread, btw)? Explain that result. Just explain it. Just explain it. Oh and then something about sparky black kids and skirt-swishing...
<bores self trying to parody tedious arguments made by OP>
How could Natalie did not win, she is seriously spectacular!
Strictly come dancing proves Britain is still racist and ageist. Please listen to my arrangement of the Christmas Can Can I was just one of many bandleaders and we could have all performed Robbie Williams star of strictly come dancing song better than he could. We could have all performed most of the music better. Yet most aged people have to watch people on the BCC who are getting paid a fortune for not being able to do what we could all do.
Please give my love to Natalie Gumede you were the winner in my book and I know more about dance bands than all the Judges and the Producers on the BBC put together. I used to work as Peter fats Baxter.
This is Christmas music for everyone
Strictly has never been fair. It isn't a serious competition it's light entertainment. I don't watch it any more because I got really cross when Zoe Ball, by far the best dancer in her series, didn't win. I do know about dancing.
It's a popularity contest as far as the public go - they vote for the person they like best, not necessarily the best dancer.
As it happens the judges thought Zoe was the best but she lost the public vote. I suppose someone could cry sexism because she was beaten by a man who was not such a good dancer.
The judges vote on progress made. Natalie could already dance and Susannah (who I can't stand) couldn't. The judges feel that Susannah has made more progress so mark her highly. They judge Natalie to a harder standard because she started off far ahead of the others.
If this was a serious competition that would be unfair. But it isn't a serious competition. Someone who could already dance well will always be marked more harshly than a novice. Colour doesn't come into it.
I apologise for not doing the rascist thing. But I wanted to ask does anyone else think Abbey Clancy was a little drunk/inappropriate/flirty/ all over her partner last night?
More like sexist, it was and all woman final
Or maybe fattiest
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Wudric, your questions are entirely justified and your analysis spot on. This 'competition' like most of the other shows in this genre, ('The Great British Bake off', Pop idols or whatever it is that cowell creature produces) is dictated by baser instincts than fairness.
The results rarely have anything to do with who is more talented or produces the superior result/product, but are more clearly related to primitive/primal tribal affiliations. (middle class, white, working class etc. all being tribes).
The 'Strictly' audience and judges vote for people who reflect themselves, thus affording themselves the opportunity to bask vicariously in their pseudo-winner's glory, much as if they themselves had attained the victory.
So miniscule is their actual self-confidence that to recognise someone who doesn't immediately reflect themselves, as superior in talent, in their sub-conscious, would be tantamount to kicking themselves in the teeth.
They will continue to ridicule your questions, instead of conducting some serious introspection; and they will continue to make excuses for obvious injustice.
And as a result we will continue to perform at inferior levels as a country, whether it is on the sports field, in the music industry or in the political arena. Countries like the USA, that do a much better job of embracing and celebrating talent, whatever the hue of the talented person, will continue to lead where we can only follow.
It is impossible to truly improve when one doesn't recognise superior talent and instead consoles and rewards oneself with false accolades. If people could simply be more honest, recognise someone else's superior talent regardless of their race, and then work like a maniac to achieve and eventually surpass that talent, we would all be improved as a society. Instead we will remain deluded, narrow-minded, middling, unremarkable......... and bask in it.
Is this for real? Is someone really suggesting that strictly is racist because 2 dancers got the same result?
Actually his/her questions were entirely on the right track, as illustrated by the fiasco of a result. Even the pseudo-winner looked somewhat embarassed by her patently undeserved 'victory' bling.
Ooh this thread is back...
I would imagine Abbey won on the back of a second sweep of voting from Sophie voters once she was knocked out.
Judges if anything rigged it to make sure justice was done for Nat to get top three and her showdance was good.
Great british public like the J word.
Both 1st and second this year in Dancing with the stars went to black dancers Amber Riley Corbin Bleu btw and Len/Bruno judging.
Zoe did not win her series I think because of rumours she had had dance lessons prior to the training to give her an edge. Meh - heard the same for Abbey. Zoe did her showdance as a goodbye dance - had it been seen before then may have been different result but Darren vair popular that year.
Spoiler spoiler spoiler xmas strictly spoiler spoiler look away now SPOILER
will be a white xmas...
Apostrophe, so how does last year's result fit your theory? The one where the more accomplished white dancer lost out in the popular vote to the black dancer?
Ah, nennypops - I am sure that either Wuldric and/or Apostrophe will be along shortly to argue a case of sexism trumping racism there: black man is superior to white woman but white woman is superior to black woman. White man is top of the pile, surely - which is completely proved by the fact that there have been white male entrants every year of Strictly and they have always won. Er - hang on a minute...
Anyway, in the end neither the "sparky black kid" or the "skirt-swisher" won. But I am sure the fact that Abbey Clancy won is in some way racist.
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