Should I let my son be a Michael Jackson fan?

(67 Posts)
lee1103 Thu 01-Aug-13 01:47:55

My son wants to listen to a Michael Jackson album but i'm not sure If I feel comfortable letting him endorse such a sick and twisted man. I know he argues that it's about the music, but I just don't want his essence or image in my home.

Should I stick to my guns and ban any Michael Jackson content? or should he be allowed to listen to it?

notanyanymore Thu 01-Aug-13 01:52:19

If you don't want it in your house just say no... In the happy knowledge he'll just listen to it else where and have learnt a very valuable lesson to lie to his mum over the most insignificant of things as she is not open to discussion and does not value his views.
HTH

rubyrubyruby Thu 01-Aug-13 01:59:12

I think you're totally bonkers tbh

OhSoVintage Thu 01-Aug-13 02:08:12

He's dead so what risk is he exactly to your son? and although many may disagree I actually just think the whole thing was a very tragic story about what life in the spotlight can do at such a young age. I don't think he was sick and twisted but lost and very very naive, longing for his lost childhood but no one will know the truth. Could be wrong but he's not here to defend himself.

However whatever anyone thinks about him he was a very talented artist and his songs actually give out very positive messages.

I can think of more important things to save your battles for than listening to Michael Jackson!!!

BOF Thu 01-Aug-13 02:10:16

The music is still, to a greater or lesser extent, art, which is part of any popular music education. It is possible to appreciate the music, and put it in context. Wagner is associated with the Nazis, but it shouldn't mean that his work is ostracised. In the current time, however, I would not be comfortable with adulating the work of the still-living Roman Polanski.

You can still inform him of the reality of his biography.

Lots of artists and public figures from the past have been less than salubrious.

It could be an interesting debate about how far you can separate the artist from the art.

Banning stuff is rarely productive.

sonlypuppyfat Thu 01-Aug-13 02:12:45

I think Michael was a very damaged man but musically brilliant, if you start down this road where would it stop. Banning him from looking at any art work or reading any poetry or watching any films because someone was a bit dodgy who had any part of it? Get a grip.

GiraffesAndButterflies Thu 01-Aug-13 02:53:59

How exactly is MJ's 'essence' going to be in your home OP?

WafflyVersatile Thu 01-Aug-13 03:04:24

Maybe they give a free sachet of Michael Jackson memorial sperm with each album.

I hope Brahms didn't use opium. Imagine all those babies listening to Brahms lullaby.

k2togm1 Thu 01-Aug-13 03:47:02

grin Are you serious op? I am a music teacher and tell you there needs to be some mj in your son's life!

belatedmaybe Thu 01-Aug-13 04:25:58

Do you read the daily mail op?

Our local school recently used an mj song for a performance. The children were excellent and, so far, appear unharmed by the experience.

I listen to lots of music and never feel the need to delve into the artists past/politics or whatever. The fact that I like a song doesn't mean I like/agree with/support the person singing it.

nooka Thu 01-Aug-13 04:36:05

Assuming that your son is a teenager (as you've posted in teens) it seems very odd to be attempting this level of control. Fair enough to say that you personally don't want to listen to Michael Jackson (plenty of stuff I tell my 12 year old I don't want to hear) and to give the reasons why, but your son also has a right to listen to the music he likes in his home surely?

The man is long dead so he is hardly going to pollute you or your son, and any royalties will be going to his children who I presume you don't have an issue with?

NatashaBee Thu 01-Aug-13 08:07:28

Pick your battles, OP.

Sparklingbrook Thu 01-Aug-13 08:17:27

Let him listen to it. Headphones if it bothers you.

BackforGood Thu 01-Aug-13 19:14:30

Surely this isn't a serious post - you're winding us up aren't you ?

amumthatcares Thu 01-Aug-13 19:52:28

I can't actually believe this is a serious post either, but assuming it is:

Whatever your opinion about MJ, he was a talented musician and produced some wonderful work. I can't think of anything that will harm your DS by listening to his music.

I would have more of an issue with my DD listening to songs that spout controversial, small minded messages and foul language than MJ!

CockyFox Thu 01-Aug-13 19:55:56

I can think of far far worse for a teenage boy to listen to to be honest and I can't stand Michael Jackson's voice.

LifeIsSoDifferent Thu 01-Aug-13 20:00:38

I completely agree with notanyanymore and btw you can't "not allow" him to be a fan he will be one of he likes his music and you can't control that.

LittleBearPad Thu 01-Aug-13 20:05:21

MJ was a brilliant artist. He was also deeply troubled however his music should be allowed to speak for itself.
[anyone else got an mj song in their head now]

runningonwillpower Thu 01-Aug-13 20:08:25

If you can't divorce the artist from the work (whatever the medium) then you are bound for a life of censorship (which I don't agree with) and mediocrity.

Bowlersarm Thu 01-Aug-13 20:11:24

Eh? So if you don't let him he'll just be out of the house more listening to it at a mates house, a park or the library.

I don't you'll be able to control what music he listens to.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:15:50

"You're bad you're bad you're really really bad!
Who's bad!"

ihearsounds Thu 01-Aug-13 20:16:46

Is it just MJ or all the Jacksons?
In what way was he sick and twisted?

HeySoulSister Thu 01-Aug-13 20:18:43

Ha ha how would you stop it? Or even know if he's on YouTube etc listening to it?

ihearsounds Thu 01-Aug-13 20:19:14

But I tell you what is freaky. After I posted Billy Jean started playing on my ipod.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:19:39

*I'm looking at the man in the mirror! "

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:21:20

Is he asking you to change your ways?

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:21:30

ihear what's weirder is that my next post was going to be "Billy Jean is not my lover"!shock

MJ is here and he's reading this thread I tell ya.
he's not amused

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:22:25

strop

It makes no difference whether "you are black or white"

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:25:27

Seriously tho what do you imagine will happen if he listens to Thriller? He may learn to dance? And as for having his essence in your home.... he's not likely to to come back and possess your son. Besides it's damn good music and you're missing out.

isitsnowingyet Thu 01-Aug-13 20:26:14

The Jackson Five stuff is fantastic !! Sure MJ was very odd, but he was certainly a talented singer - I wouldn't and don't stop my 12 year old listning to it

TSSDNCOP Thu 01-Aug-13 20:27:44

"got to be there"

Restrict music because of the artists behaviour and all you'll be left with is the Groovster himself.

Passmethecrisps Thu 01-Aug-13 20:28:19

Not sure making him hide under his duvet to listen to thriller is going to help.

Of all the many things which might cause harm to you people the Bad album is not one of them.

Relax - you might even find you like it

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:28:46

Zing, do you remember the times?

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:29:59

Annie are you ok?

I don't think you can stop him, but you can sit down with him and explain why you personally find it uncomfortable to listen to. I understand where you're coming from, it's pretty disgraceful that (if it's proved to be true) he got away with some awful things because he was rich and talented - having a godawful childhood isn't an excuse, but you have to let your DS make his own mind up whether he can separate the music from the man. Some people can, some people can't.

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:30:53

No, You Push Me Away sad

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:30:55

strop it's Thriller Night!

Chubfuddler Thu 01-Aug-13 20:31:14

In all seriousness billy jean is probably the best pop song of all time. Just let him listen to it.

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:32:34

Oh just beat it.

ihearsounds Thu 01-Aug-13 20:33:44

He's not amused at all.

Jackson 5 stuff is great.

Op would hate me. In school, when it's my turn to choose something I go for MJ or Jackson 5.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:34:43

leave me alone

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:35:47

J5 are amazing. Dh and I may not be together if not for Rockin Robin. I also loved farewell my summer love and euphoria.

amumthatcares Thu 01-Aug-13 20:36:37

One day in your life your DS is going to ask you Wanna be startin somethin? The way you make me feel is Dangerous now Beat it Leave me alone your going to make me Cry then before you know it he'll be telling everyone, she thinks I'm too young so She's out of my life grin

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:40:25

amum that's right. Heal the World!

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:42:21

I love you amumthatcares. You made me Smile.

Zing it's the things I do for you!

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:43:51

strop it's easy as 123

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:44:31

actually 1 2 3 would have been better! grin

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:44:39

But you got to keep the faith.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:47:01

will you be there?

elQuintoConyo Thu 01-Aug-13 20:47:27

OP, is your son's name Ben ?

amumthatcares Thu 01-Aug-13 20:48:12

Strop (I like) the way you love me grin

This could go on all night haha

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:48:25

Of course, I just can't stop loving you! Can't blame op for wanting to protect her child tho, it's Human Nature.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:49:01

amum you are so "Dirty Diana! "

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:49:56

We could go on TIL WE'VE HAD ENOUGH amum!

amumthatcares Thu 01-Aug-13 20:51:33

I'm a Night time lover wink

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:52:53

We've totally hijacked this thread but that's okay because you guys ROCK MY WORLD.

amumthatcares Thu 01-Aug-13 20:53:21

NO shock -^Don't stop, till you've had enough!!!^

holidaybug Thu 01-Aug-13 20:53:25

I think Michael Jackson was a tragic but hugely talented performer - the likes of we might not see for a long time. I'd be happy for my son to listen to his music.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:54:22

say say say

ImNotBloody14 Thu 01-Aug-13 20:54:36

grin

Brilliant thread- well- brilliant responses. I love MN for threads like this.

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 20:54:36

Think holidaybug had the right idea. Get the thread bacon track or MNHQ will make it HIStory.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 20:56:43

strop This is it

amumthatcares Thu 01-Aug-13 21:00:19

I'm so blue have to go now but Keep the faith We've got a good thing going

valiumredhead Thu 01-Aug-13 21:00:34

It's not something we have ever encouraged in this house. I can't stand to even look at any of his videos any more let alone listen to any of his music. Thankfully ds doesn't listen to his music as it's 'old.'wink

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 21:10:33

Old music? That's BREAKING NEWS to me. Nice to see other die hard fans here, good to know YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

ZingWidge Thu 01-Aug-13 21:10:57

you've been hit by a Smooth Criminal

Stropzilla Thu 01-Aug-13 21:12:33

Yes but keep it in the closet Zing!

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