Tiny bedroom for DS, feeling guilty-futon advice needed!

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JandT Wed 27-Feb-13 12:50:01

In the summer we are moving to a smaller house which amongst all the other problems means DS (who will be aged 12-14 when we live there) can only fit a single bed and possibly chest of drawers in his room. The room does have a cupboard which we can put other things in but my concern is that he won't be able to have space to play/chill out or, space for a desk (he has two noisy younger brothers!).

So, my current thinking is we could get him a futon plus a 'fold down' desk and if he wants to use it he folds the futon up, desk down and can put up a folding chair (see how this works?!).

Does anyone have any futon advice? I've seen the 'normal' ones for £100ish but I don't know if it would survive a boy that age (although super skinny he's already over 5 foot), I'd also prefer something that wasn't directly on the floor (just think psychologically it might be preferable). I'm not so concerned about cost as I think it would be worth spending the money and him not being miserable in a tiny room-a futon which looks fun/different would be amazing as ideally he'd probably want one with built in train track/cars but I know that might be asking too much!!

Thank you!

noisytoys Wed 27-Feb-13 12:55:23

No futon advise but don't feel guilty. My DDs share a single room all they have is bunk beds, and a single wardrobe it's fine smile

mumblechum1 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:57:32

DS also has a smallish room, but we've got around the problem by putting in a high bed for sleeping, with a 3 seater sofa below, opposite which is his chest of drawers with a TV on top.

He's leaving home in September so if you want his high sleeper and (now tatty but coverable) sofa and are in the Bucks/Oxon area you're welcome to it. I'll be putting a double bed into his room then.

mumblechum1 Wed 27-Feb-13 12:57:59

Thing about a futon is that you have to make it up every night which is a pain.

OldBeanbagz Wed 27-Feb-13 13:05:20

I don't know much about futons as the only one i slept on for any length of time was over 25+ years ago. Don't feel bad that he will have a tiny room, i had one when i was growing up. It's more important that he has his own space.

How about something like this? Also cool wallpaper mural if he's into cars.

flossieflower Wed 27-Feb-13 13:06:05

How about something like this? www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/7389638.htm

DD had a tiny box room with a mid height cabin bed (she's 6 and got it at four so too young for a high one). It gives her space to play underneath and extra storage. I can't see a 12-14 year old boy bothering to fold up a futon!

Madlizzy Wed 27-Feb-13 13:06:46

High bed option here too with a desk underneath. DS2 loves his space now.

Madlizzy Wed 27-Feb-13 13:08:52

Got one of these www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00160866/ We bought the double initially for DS1. Now he's moved out we've chopped it down to a single for DS2.

SCOTCHandWRY Wed 27-Feb-13 13:11:39

Ikea does a fantastic metal bunk high rise thing, we got it for our teen sons quite small bedroom - it is high enough that you can put a desk and chair and maybe some drawers under it. My DS has 2 comfy chairs (his computer sits on the other side of the room, about 4foot from thw bed) and a drawer unit under his.

This bed basically doubles the amenity space in his small room!

SCOTCHandWRY Wed 27-Feb-13 13:14:10

Cross post with MAD, but ours is a slightly different one, sliver tubular metal, single size and I think a little cheaper.

JandT Wed 27-Feb-13 13:15:36

Thank you so much!

Unfortunately a high/loft bed is a no go-currently has one and hates it (plus he's so tall he has to literally crawl into it and can only just roll over at night). Not very high ceilings in the new house either.

If he has a single bed (or futon) he will have about 1m alongside it and that's it. To add to the problems there is a window and radiator in the wrong place. If he has a futon I imagine he will leave it down then put it up if he wants desk space (rather than doing homework on his lap!) or friends over so probably once a week at most!

That wallpaper mural is amazing!! I am putting that on the list of things to make him excited about moving.

Guilt isn't just due to the room but we're moving 2 hour drive away from family and friends, new school etc. Just feels unfair when it's not what we all want but have to because of DH's work and we have a house that comes with it so are stuck.

OldBeanbagz Wed 27-Feb-13 13:37:28

What about a mid height bed with pull out desk? This one takes a standard mattress.

I'm sure if you let all your DC have input in their rooms it'll make the move a lot easier.

ISeeSmallPeople Wed 27-Feb-13 13:40:36

How about a day bed with storage underneath?
That way he can use it as a sofa if he can be bothered to make the bed

Or a cabin bed with pull out desk & drawers under. Not as high as a high sleeper, but still uses the space under.

JandT Wed 27-Feb-13 14:01:32

I have considered a mid height/cabin bed but they never seem that sturdy for a clumsy/jumpy boy, plus he still wouldn't have the space to sit at the desk (it's that tiny).

Will look at day beds but suspect due to them being slightly longer normally it wouldn't fit with a (very narrow) chest of drawers as well.

Just frustrating!

He'll have total control on his room, when we moved to our current house (aged 8) he chose the décor then painted his own room-Mummy is just 'creative director'!

ISeeSmallPeople Wed 27-Feb-13 14:14:39

How about a wall bed? You can get single ones that double as desks too. One handed pull down/up.

Why not put a plan on your profile, we work better with dimensions smile

JandT Wed 27-Feb-13 14:27:07

Wall beds sound like an idea, do you get 'individual' ones or do they have to be part of a bigger unit? Only way a bed fits is next to the door so can only fit a single bed width, nothing added. Also, are they sturdy? My son really can (and regularly does) break anything....

We need to work out the plans ourselves. Got sent a very vague one (size of rooms with doors, nothing like windows, radiators etc included) then took photos on Saturday when we visited. Now need a spare evening to draw it up as best as possible and work from there (currently looking like the first available evening will be Sunday...).

hippoCritt Wed 27-Feb-13 14:33:19

I spent one night on a futons vowed never again, I don't think it's suitable for every night although I suspect I wear more than your son!

If fund allow I'd buy one of these www.studybed.co.uk/ you can keep stuff on the desk whilst using it as a bed

ISeeSmallPeople Wed 27-Feb-13 14:36:15

You can get all sorts of wall beds. My brother has one that looks like a wide but slim chest of drawers. Very sturdy as bed has 4 normal legs, middle legs for stability, & hideaway bit is screwed to the wall.

janek Wed 27-Feb-13 14:40:14

We have a futon as our spare bed, but we also slept on it for several weeks while waiting for our proper bed to arrive. We have realised more recently that it is much more comfortable to just use the mattress on the floor than it is to use the frame to sleep on. Presumably not an option in your ds's small room.

Does he actually sit at a desk to do homework? I used to do mine on my crossed legs in bed (and then hobble about for the rest of the evening...), with this in mind could you get him a double mattress/futon and just have most of the room as 'bed'?

Alternatively, ikea do mid-sleepers too ikea mid-sleeper.

Also, did you see that george clarke presented earlier this year about small spaces? One guy on it did some amazing stuff to a houseboat, including having a bed that folded away, turning it into a desk. Might be worth looking on 5 player and seeing if you can still watch it - might give you some other ideas as well wink.

janek Wed 27-Feb-13 14:43:19
OldBeanbagz Wed 27-Feb-13 14:46:35

This one is pretty cool and he won't even have to take the things off his desk!

JandT Wed 27-Feb-13 14:47:42

hippoCritt - that's amazing but there's no way we'd afford that. Going to have a lot less money as it is. I used to enjoy futons (had a boyfriend that had one) and found they helped my dodgy back but wonder if it would 'wear' after a while. DS is a bit of an old woman anyway!

Will have a proper look at wall beds later as that could help.

MrsHoarder Wed 27-Feb-13 14:53:13

I know what ISee means by a wall bed, we had one in a studio flat. It had a proper mattress and could be put away "made up" (ie with the duvet on). I'd think it would be much comfier than a futon.

If you look here, 2/3 of the way down there is a single bed with shelf/desk. Bit pricey though (although I haven't looked around for a better price).

Another vote for a studybed - they are fab things!

ISeeSmallPeople Wed 27-Feb-13 15:21:08

I don't know how to insert a picture here yet.

Google 'single wall bed' & it's the first pic in images

ISeeSmallPeople Wed 27-Feb-13 15:59:40

How about this one

JandT Wed 27-Feb-13 16:17:53

That one is amazing & a lot cheaper! I wonder what the wall fixings are like-house isn't ours but they did say we can put up shelves so I figure not too many fixings/much damage should be alright...

zipzap Wed 27-Feb-13 16:23:16

Another vote here for futons being the most uncomfortable thing I've ever had the misfortune to sleep on.

Fold up bed sounds good - might be worth looking on eBay from now onwards - I've got some nice furniture cheaply that I couldnt have afforded to buy new. Even second hand it is better than the new that I'd have if i paid the same money for. Set up an assortment of saved searches and then you will get notifications if anything suitable comes up.

ripsishere Thu 28-Feb-13 00:29:03

A sofa bed? we had that one it was honestly the most comfortable thing I've ever slept on.

sashh Thu 28-Feb-13 02:48:23

Do you actually need a bed/futon at all?

As a teenager a relative had a 'shelf' with storage underneath and a mattress on top.

flow4 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:49:11

The trouble with throne is that they don't just need making; the mattress actually needs rolling up every dqy, or they get v lumpy. My DS had one when he was a pre-teen, we didn't roll it, and within a year it had become uncomfortable. If a walk bed is out of your budget, folding foam chair beds are much cheaper and should last him a couple of years... They're not 'proper' beds, but my DS2 has a platform bed, and still regularly chooses to sleep on his foam chair.

The other thing to consider, if the room will fit a double mattress at all, is for you and DH to have it. Teenagers generally spend much more time awake in their rooms, and if you're the kind of grown-ups who just crawl into bed to sleep, your DS might make better use of the double room than you would.

flow4 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:50:10

Throne?! futons grin

Maryz Thu 28-Feb-13 09:34:43

dd has a tiny bedroom. We tried various combinations and eventually managed to fit a desk in.

She has literally never used it. It is a storage depot for makeup, clothes and general crap. She does all study sitting on her bed (which is made up like a day bed with extra cushions so she can pretend it's a sofa).

If she has a really long assignment to do she will do it at the kitchen table or go to the library.

I would get him the most comfortable bed you can afford and wait to see what else he needs.

And by the way, I no longer bother with chest-of-drawers/wardrobe for ds1. He has a hanging rail from argos with two plastic ikea boxes underneath. socks/underwear go in the boxes, everything else hangs straight on the rail. And under his bed are more ikea boxes with shoes/summer clothes/sports gear.

janek Thu 28-Feb-13 11:34:16

Or if a double bed fpr you wouldn't fit in the room, how about bunkbeds for the younger DSs and your DS1 have the larger room intended for them, so he has a sanctuary, they presumably already have the run of the house...

slug Thu 28-Feb-13 12:20:17

DD has a tiny room. She currently has a cabin bed but, as she starts secondary school next year we are moving up to this There's room underneath for the drawers and a desk.

Maryz Thu 28-Feb-13 12:22:28

slug, be careful about laying out for a high bed when they are in secondary - ds wanted to get rid of his because otherwise he and his friends couldn't slouch on his bed playing xbox/guitar etc.

I offered it to dd, but she said the same - when she has friends in they slouch on the bed and admire each other trying on clothes hmm. A day bed is better for teenagers.

slug Thu 28-Feb-13 12:38:12

Her room is so tiny there's no real option. The idea is to use the space freed up by moving the chest of drawers under it to put a beanbag/chair

cavell Thu 28-Feb-13 12:44:42

Those study beds look amazing - I want one!

JandT Thu 28-Feb-13 14:36:51

Thank you all for your advice. Working my way through it;

-sofa bed would never fit, even not as a sofa(too deep)
-like the idea of a shelf but have no idea where I would get one/how we could make one strong enough to survive DS1
-have already thought of swapping rooms and the issue is; DS2 and DS3 will be 3 and 1 (just) as we move. Can't put them in bunk beds and tbh we also have a massive problem with their room as it won't fit their cotbeds in without them being able to put fingers in plug sockets (it could be a whole 'nother thread!)
-have considered us going in DS2/DS3 room but; our bed would only just fit in, would have to keep our furniture in their room (meaning we have to be very organised or wake them up when we get ready) and there are massive cupboards in our room which will store everything for the family and the boys will be able to open it and thus potentially dangerous. Of course that doesn't solve the DS1 issue anyway...
-DS does currently use his desk as he feels more organised like this, even uses it to build lego and drawer. Of course that might change when he doesn't have a loft bed he has to crawl into.
-hanging rail is an idea but he will have a cupboard which has a rail. Clothes wise he has loads (MIL loves shopping) but; even with binning loads I don't know if we can fit them in boxes without taking as much space as a narrow chest of drawers.
-hates his loft bed with a passion having desperately wanted one. Just can't sit on his bed (has the bean bag, desk and drawers are underneath), can only just roll over (would be alright if higher ceilings) and it is really really rickety to the point we can hear him getting in and out of bed from downstairs.
-bureau is a good idea but don't think he could fit his clothes in and it wouldn't fit anywhere if he had drawers as well (will probably have a fold down one)
Keep the ideas coming please, I'm determined we will get there somehow!

Maryz Thu 28-Feb-13 14:52:09

dd's bed is the old top of a bunk bed like this We had to get rid of the bottom bit as none of them wanted a high bed when they got to be teenagers.

Because it has a rail around it she uses it as a sofa bed. And because it was part of a bunk it has longer legs and is a little higher off the ground so underneath it she has ikea boxes - the biggest size, with various things in it. So she doesn't need drawers as such - she has a couple of smaller boxes on a shelf in her cupboard and something a bit like this on the back of her door.

Could you fit in a very small desk or one like this instead of a chest-of-drawers. With narrow shelves above it maybe?

We also have a small shelf running around each of the kids' bedrooms at picture rail height, just a bit of 3 inch cladding board on brackets, on which they keep memento type crap - ornaments, medals, bits and pieces. That way they are up out of the way. dd uses part of hers as a shelf for paperbacks. A very cheap and flimsier and higher version of this

Maryz Thu 28-Feb-13 14:55:17

Sorry, I meant to say, with the metal surround from the old bunk and lots of cushions her bed looks like this now, only pink and with brightly coloured cushions. It's amazing how many 16 year olds can sit on it at once for a fashion show in three square foot of floor.

dd's room is really tiny - less than 8 foot x 7'6 with an awkward door/window/radiator combination. But having everything up high and under her bed really helps.

JandT Thu 28-Feb-13 15:17:02

Maryz-hadn't thought about getting rid of the bottom, that could work (his bed currently looks like that one without the futon under). I think we could cut the 'legs' as I'm not sure how long they are but my Dad has loads of tools... I like the back of the door thing, that could be useful, even on the inside of his cupboard (which isn't too small and goes to the ceiling for all the stuff he doesn't use too much). Think boxes and shelves are going to be the way forward. We plan to have two shelves all along the wall above his bed (or whatever it is) that have boxes of his toys etc in so that he can chuck things in and it still looks neat. I reckon his main problem will be 'clutter' as he is awful at binning things and loves collecting random stuff but if we have enough boxes it won't show, plus he won't have the space to make the mess!

Maryz Thu 28-Feb-13 15:25:19

Boxes under the bed solve the clutter. And you probably won't have to cut the legs, they will split and just leave a bed about four to six inches higher than a divan bed, with lots of room for boxes underneath.

Have two rows - one at the front for shoes/sports gear/everyday stuff and one at the back for clothes he doesn't wear much, outgrown but still loved toys, no-longer-used-ps3 games and things you want to chuck out

Every so often have a look at the back boxes that he hasn't seen for six months and he will realise he is happy to chuck it.

To make dd's tidier, I'm thinking of buying a shelving unit to go on it's side under dd's bed to put boxes and school books. I just have to measure it to see if it fits.

flow4 Fri 01-Mar-13 00:09:32

JandT my DS2 also has a tiny room and is a collector of a truly unbelievable amount of random stuff! grin He has no room for a chest of drawers or wardrobe in his room, but he has lots of shelves and storage boxes - so many that he literally only has a strip of floor 80-85cm x 1.5m that is clear for him to stand in! (When the door is closed!)

Everything is very organised though, because he has loads of little storage boxes like these on the shelves (making some of the shelves effectively wider), one of these 4 drawer units under his desk, a couple of bigger storage boxes like these and two of these hanging from his ceiling!

Toomuchtea Fri 01-Mar-13 13:24:08

DS, who is 6 foot 5, has a futon. We got the best futon mattress we could afford though, as I have never forgotten the torturous night I spent on someone's futon when I was a student. DS's mattress is a good 7-8 inches thick. He's slept on it for years, and now we've moved to a smaller house, asked for that rather than a normal bed. Will try and find the link for the people who made the mattress.

Toomuchtea Fri 01-Mar-13 13:31:22

We got the mattress from these people. It's lasted really well.

JandT Fri 01-Mar-13 13:55:58

Toomuchtea - did you get a particular futon or do you think the mattress is what made the difference? We had agreed that if we got a futon the mattress had to be really thick but does that cause folding problems?

flow4 - That is pretty much our plan except can't fit the drawer unit (but might have one and/or shelving in his cupboard) and the hanging storage as he'd never get past. Sounds like you have the same amount of floor space as he'll have.

Toomuchtea Fri 01-Mar-13 15:05:41

We have a pine slatted futon which was a chuck out from my sister. It's pretty robust. I don't know if there's a hierarchy of futons. The mattress does fold reasonably well; certainly well enough to be used as a chair. It's in chair form at the moment, waiting for his lordship to descend upon us from university.

skyblue11 Fri 01-Mar-13 23:26:41

Futons..... I worked for a futon manufacturer so know all about the making of them, but also about how many 'crap' ones there are out there to be had. Pity the company is no longer with us as we handmade all ours to specific measurements and they were of the best durable quality made with an inner superbond which would not go flat like most do after a while. He needs a good supportive bed and if it's be be a futon just check its good quality perhaps not from our Swedish friends!

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