Thoroughly disturbing find in son's bedroom

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Bulldogjan74 Fri 14-Dec-12 01:55:13

Hi there, I'm new to the form so hopefully Im in the right place!

I just found something very disturbing in my son's bedroom - a number of books actually. I confronted him about it, asking him where and how he got them, and he said he got them from his teacher as recommendation.

Now. My son is a smart kid so is in a top-level English class at school (and wants to become a doctor!) so gets recommendations all the time, but I thought this time it goes a bit far. angry

I found these books;

Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov - what appears to be a book about a paedophile that targets a twelve year old girl.

Death in Venice by Thomas Mann - a book about a predator that goes after and stalks a fourteen year old boy in Venice

Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs - a very bad book filled with heavy drug use, prostitution, swearing (including the c-word) and what appears to be hardcore pornography. I won't go into anymore details - its too repulsive to even talk about.

He got the later book at a library, not from the school, but I still think it's worrying!

I understand also that some of these are 'classics'! What are these so-called intellectuals and the government thinking letting these books be available to the public and my son! angry I don't know what to do. As I said, these are only a couple of recommendations, but this is bad right?

OpheliasWeepingWillow Fri 14-Dec-12 01:57:13

Sorry these are all legitimate works of literature IMO...

OpheliasWeepingWillow Fri 14-Dec-12 01:57:38

How old is he?

Bulldogjan74 Fri 14-Dec-12 01:59:38

He is 15.

Bessie123 Fri 14-Dec-12 02:00:09

Eh? Is this for real?

Bulldogjan74 Fri 14-Dec-12 02:01:40

Yeah! I thought so too! Why is my son being given these books?

SantaIAmSoFuckingRock Fri 14-Dec-12 02:01:52

we dont go in for censorship in the UK so yes these books are available to the public.

SantaIAmSoFuckingRock Fri 14-Dec-12 02:04:36

you need to speak to your son and find out how these books relate to his course. there will be a reason he has been recommended these books. he doesn't have to read them but if it is going to form part of his GCSE then he wont be the only one reading them <disclaimer: i have no clue what GCSE english lit consists of nowadays- i did of mice and men>

I personally don't see anything wrong with them at 15 years of age. You ought to have seen some of the stuff I read at that age, and they weren't literary in any shape or form.

OpheliasWeepingWillow Fri 14-Dec-12 02:06:36

Totally normal books to read that are part of the literary cannon. They make shock and disturb you but you sound very sheltered OP.

These books will provoke thought but not turn him into a pedo-sadist-porn addict.

He sounds lovely and mature for his age. His teacher obviously respects his ability and wants to challenge him intellectually.

All sounds normal to me.

Am confused as to whether this is a wind up TBH

Bulldogjan74 Fri 14-Dec-12 02:07:08

No they're not for GCSE. These are sort of like extra-curricular reading things.

I think this must be a wind up as these books are all very well-known.

The subjects may not be the most savoury but I'd rather find them than a wank sock!

Bessie123 Fri 14-Dec-12 02:10:08

It's hardly 'big breasted sluts' they've given him, is it? Why don't you read the books as well, then you and your ds can discuss them together

TanteRose Fri 14-Dec-12 02:10:22

when I was 15, my "extra-curricular reading things" were absolute dross like Flowers in the Attic (kidnap, incest...), and My Sweet Audrina (child abuse, gang rape)

your DS's reading list sounds very high brow grin

maybe we should just burn all the books, just to be on the safe side hmm

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights Fri 14-Dec-12 02:11:56

Quite relieved to find it wasn't a dead animal.

SantaIAmSoFuckingRock Fri 14-Dec-12 02:15:00

<realises she was very sheltered as a teen>

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Fri 14-Dec-12 02:27:34

Have you seen the content of 15 rated DVD's that your DS can buy in the shops without your knowledge? The Inbetweeners film for one. Rude, Crude, and very visual, far more so than a trio of classic books.

I'm not saying that the subject matter is something you want to think about your DS reading, but tbh I thought you were talking about a 10yo reading them.

These are all books that he will have been able to take out of the library as soon as he got a Young Adult ticket.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Fri 14-Dec-12 02:29:48

And yes, I remember reading Flowers in the Attic and My Sweet Audrina - but I was younger than 15, more like 12/13!

Nicked off my mother's bookshelf along with all her Stephen King books and books on serial killers...

nooka Fri 14-Dec-12 02:31:38

I think it is really quite odd that the OP thinks such books, which are all recognised works of literature should be banned on the grounds that she finds them disturbing. There wodul have to be a great book burning I suspect which I think is far more worrying.

As a parent I might be a bit concerned if my son was consistently reading disturbing books, and I would want to explore what he found interesting and appealing about them, but 15 seems to me an age when controversy is very attractive, and that alone might be the appeal. I certainly read lots of dodgy trash at that age (and some dodgy literature too). Some of the appeal to me was simply the shock value, especially flashing 'interesting' philosophy at my mother who I thought was terribly up tight. I'm not sure I even read all the books I tried. However I'd be more concerned about whether he was exploring similar stuff on line as there is some pretty foul stuff there with none of the food for thought that should be in the books.

LadyKinbote Fri 14-Dec-12 02:54:50

I think these books are fine OP - I read filth widely as a teenager too. Just make sure he knows he can talk to you if he finds anything confusing or upsetting, but I don't think you need to worry about it.

cafecito Fri 14-Dec-12 03:11:12

there's nothing wrong with those books at all, quite the opposite- you should be proud he is well read and in a top set for English.

sashh Fri 14-Dec-12 03:50:25

OP throw out that filth and get him 'Game of Thrones' - 13 year old being married off, incest and violence.

And that's OK to put on TV.

WankbadgersBauble Fri 14-Dec-12 04:05:19

I'm impressed. I can't imagine any male I know reading any of those books, no matter how much sex and stuff is in them.

I commend you on raising a young man so literate, and encourage you to support him fully in reading the classics.

In all seriousness, I've read worse. de Sade, for example. Now that's disturbing.

CheerfulYank Fri 14-Dec-12 04:10:04

<waves to Tante> I liked a bit of V.C. Andrews myself back in the day! grin

OP at 15 I think these are fine.

TapirAroundTheChristmasTree Fri 14-Dec-12 04:14:25

Books? This is about books - and really good ones too?

OP - when people post that sort of thread title on here, it generally means hard-core porn, drugs or weapons...not literature!

I reckon this is just a wind up. 'so-called intellectuals' OP try harder next time.

TanteRose Fri 14-Dec-12 05:10:53

hiya CheerfulY grin

yep, V.Andrews, and then horror books like Rats...James Herbert? <shudder>

got passed round the whole class

Jacksmania Fri 14-Dec-12 05:11:08

I can't even be arsed to comment.

Oh wait, I just did.

OP, your son reads. Entire books.

I would be disturbed if he was wanking over "American Psycho".
But these... no. Ok, Naked Lunch is, well, interesting. A bit weird. Not everyone's cup of tea.
But so what.

And please, if you're going to stick around MN, don't hide behind "the C-word". We're adults. We're allowed to say cunt.

Jacksmania Fri 14-Dec-12 05:11:49

<waves at CY and Tante Rose>

claraschu Fri 14-Dec-12 05:21:06

I assumed the kind of person who thinks like this wouldn't have read these books, so this must be a wind-up.

Jacksmania Fri 14-Dec-12 05:29:52

Oh yeah blush
Good point.

<kicks self for having wasted time commenting.

MissCellania Fri 14-Dec-12 05:36:02


TanteRose Fri 14-Dec-12 05:40:04

hey Jacks smile

btw, fingers crossed for next week x

Jacksmania Fri 14-Dec-12 06:07:20

Thanks smile
I'll probably need a few hands again <eek>

notnowImreading Fri 14-Dec-12 06:24:42

They're really good books, especially Lolita, which is as beautifully and cleverly written as any I know. Be proud - his teacher must really respect him: I wouldn't recommend those novels to any but my brightest, most mature 15 year old students. They'll help him make the bridge to A-level, definitely.

Wish I hadn't replied now because I'm almost sure you must be having a bit of fun. Oh well. Read them yourself. For fun. It's better than winding up people on the Internet.

merlottits Fri 14-Dec-12 06:29:01

I'd be so bloody proud if I found those books in my pretty illiterate 15year old's bedroom.

They are classics with adult themes.

At 15 I was reading Jackie Collins filth, Lace, Flowers in the Attic (incest) and any other titillating material I could get my hands on!

He's sexually curious (normal) and clever (be proud).

Shagmundfreud Fri 14-Dec-12 10:35:52

Lord, filth I was reading at this age....

Flowers in the Attic (child abuse, incest), Purity's Passion (still remember the slave market scene where heroine gets pawed by Arab traders), Emmanuelle (yikes!).

If my child was reading Nabokov and Burroughs, I'd be wetting myself with pride.

ChestnutsRoastingonaWitchesTit Fri 14-Dec-12 10:38:54

I was reading Stephen King and Shaun Hutson at that age.

CalamityJones Fri 14-Dec-12 10:40:32

I think you should burn them.

pictish Fri 14-Dec-12 10:40:58

Calm down OP. Your son is reading interesting and mind expanding literature. You should be proud of him.

noddyholder Fri 14-Dec-12 10:42:38

I think you should be pleased he reads and these books are classic and a bit more unusual than most teens go for but no less informative and worthy

Micha54178 Fri 14-Dec-12 10:44:21

Jacks - you made me laugh out loud! Cunt!
I don't see the issue with the books, it's a great idea for you to read then too. That way you can discuss with him, put your mind at rest. He could be reading /looking at far far worse! If he's a mature 15, I wouldn't worry.

MulledPinot Fri 14-Dec-12 10:48:26


Try again.

noblegiraffe Fri 14-Dec-12 10:55:06

I had to study Death in Venice in German when I was 16. And watch the film with Dirk Bogarde. If he can make it through the whole thing reading for pleasure then kudos to him, it's so very, very dull.

titchy Fri 14-Dec-12 10:59:37

I think this is a stealth boast - quite a clever one actually grin

Dromedary Fri 14-Dec-12 11:03:33

I'm sure this post is a wind-up. But on the other hand a book isn't necessarily something you'd want a 15 year old to be reading just because it's a classic. I read Lolita as an adult and it is pretty disturbing. Still a book I think about sometimes. A middle aged man who marries a single mother just to get at her 12 year old daughter. The mother finds out, dashes out into the road and is killed, and the middle aged man then essentially kidnaps the 12 year old, travels around the country to escape attention and regularly rapes her. It's grim stuff.
Just out of interest, is there an age below which you'd prefer your children not to read this kind of story?
What about other classics, such as American Psycho, in which there are graphic descriptions of torture and killing? Would you try to stop your child reading that kind of book?

Llareggub Fri 14-Dec-12 11:07:04

Death in Venice was on the IB syllabus back in the day when I studied it in lower sixth. Naked Lunch was something we all read as teens and pretended to understand. I've not read Lolita.

You'd better hope you find cannabis next time.

MousyMouse Fri 14-Dec-12 11:09:18

these are 'classics' (I had to chew through them for my a-levels).
yes the topics are disturbing, but so are most criminal novels tbh.

noddyholder Fri 14-Dec-12 11:10:32

Ah is the teenage version of my toddler eats olives?

YouCanBe Fri 14-Dec-12 11:11:07

I thought Death in Venice was boring too.

Someone bought me Naked Lunch as part of a leaving present from my last job and I couldn't get into it.

Never got round to trying Lolita.

Gosh, I feel all inferior now. To an imaginary 15 year old boy. sad

CabbageLooking Fri 14-Dec-12 11:15:25

Clearly a wind-up but for what it's worth I decided that I should do my GCSE coursework on Iain Banks' "The Wasp Factory". Disturbing and not even with the justification of being great literature (although it's quite good fun).

I would be very proud if my son was willingly reading such classics (mind you he is 5 months old).

perceptionInaPearTree Fri 14-Dec-12 11:18:42

This is pretty normal literature for people to be studying, OP - classics often do deal with quite controversial topics, otherwise what would there be to talk about and write a critique of?

I think you are worrying about nothing.

BellaOfTheBalls Fri 14-Dec-12 11:18:52

Lolita was on my list of books that we should have read prior to A Level. As I have a summer birthday I was JUST 16. Also on that list were Trainspotting (drug addiction!) & Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit (child abuse, sex AND written by a lesbian!)

He is reading. He is reading things that are often considered classics. Applaud this. If you are concerned sit down and discuss the key themes with him or the feelings they invoked with him or read them yourself.

I have read all the books you mention, plus lots of other controversial books and I'm a perfectly well rounded individual I think he would see worse on a 15 rated film or on TV after 9pm. Be proud, not concerned.

LittleBairn Fri 14-Dec-12 11:19:44

I read all those books at the same age I can assure you that I'm not a sexual deviant.

BertieBotts Fri 14-Dec-12 11:23:59

Sounds normal to me. I read loads of shocking stuff as a teenager that I wouldn't want to read now. It's about pushing your own boundaries as much as anything else.

QueenofNightmares Fri 14-Dec-12 11:24:29

I'm 27 <today grin > I have Naked Lunch and Lolita both on my Kindle to read I'd be proud of my children for reading them as I would for them reading anything. Books aren't dangerous but the banning of books is, We should never be prevented from reading no matter how disturbing the content. You could equally say it would be disgusting if you had found A Child Called It or various other misery memoirs many of which end up on the best sellers lists and aren't half as well written as Lolita/Naked Lunch but seem far more acceptable. Fiction is not reality.

megandraper Fri 14-Dec-12 11:25:33

I assumed this was a funny wind-up? It is, isn't it, OP?

HullyEastergully Fri 14-Dec-12 11:25:40

That is DISCUSTING no wonder our kids grow up to be perverts. Go and tell the headteacher you are DISCUSTED at this PERVERTED FILTH being forced on your son.

MadSleighLady Fri 14-Dec-12 11:25:49

What are these so-called intellectuals and the government thinking letting these books be available to the public and my son!



Ephiny Fri 14-Dec-12 11:29:33


Jings! At 15, I was reding 'The Howling', at least your DS is reading proper literature.

Dromedary Fri 14-Dec-12 11:33:55

Is there a view that a book is suitable reading for all ages because it is a "classic"? If so, then why? A "classic" just means that it has become recognised as being particularly well written? Doesn't reflect the content?

drjohnsonscat Fri 14-Dec-12 11:33:55

Lolita is vile. But it's part of the canon, dontcha know.

DameMargotFountain Fri 14-Dec-12 11:35:58

lawks, you don't want to be reading any irvine welsh then OP <boaks>

I was sneaking Shaun Hutson, Dean Koontz and Stephen King into the house way before I was 15. grin

Mum had tried hiding the Stephen King books from me when I was about 11, so me and my friends had a bit of an illicit trade in adult horror books "borrowed" from our parents.

bigkidsdidit Fri 14-Dec-12 11:38:00

I read all of those as a teenager. I would be utterly delighted if my son was reading books like that at that age - ime teenage boys almost never read for fun sad

I love 'so-called intellectuals' too grin

almapudden Fri 14-Dec-12 11:57:52

These are excellent books. It's good for teenagers to be exposed to challenging material, ime: it makes them think about moral issues and question their own opinions.

If I had a 15 year old, I'd be buying them these books for Christmas.

EugenesAxeChoppedDownANiceTree Fri 14-Dec-12 12:01:28

No... is this post for real. I agree with Bessie 123! I wouldn't bat an eyelid... just because you read it doesn't mean you will grow up with a penchant for it!

I read Dead Babies by Martin Amis at that age... it's pretty depraved but as far as I know it didn't change me to anything I wouldn't have been anyway.

I thought you were going to say a Crack Pipe or several pairs of worn knickers!!

Those are all Classics, usually on the cirriculam at some point. Naked Lunch is over rated Shit though.

He's 15 not 10.

aquavit Fri 14-Dec-12 12:06:33


You had better put a stop to this pronto. Next it will be something worse - maybe even Shakespeare (rape and murder and torture and cross-dressing). This is gateway literature.

brighterfuture Fri 14-Dec-12 12:17:06

Op it must be very worrying for you... can't you distract him from all this highbrow reading with some screen time killing playing black ops like his peers !

bemybebe Fri 14-Dec-12 12:22:11

Wow. Is this thread for real?? It is a wind up surely. grin
OP, your son's teacher clearly thinks that he has enough capacity for critical thinking to handle these texts.
You should also read. Fahrenheit 451 is a good start methinks.

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers Fri 14-Dec-12 12:30:51

OP please don't take this the wrong way but do you read books as a hobby?

CheeseandPickledOnion Fri 14-Dec-12 12:40:33

Eh? He's 15!! He already knows all of this shit.

And besides, they're all genuine works of literature, and classics? ]

Gosh how awful for your son to be reading such material. BAHAHAHAHA!

Mintberry Fri 14-Dec-12 12:50:31

OP sounds like the "Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparkle motion!" woman from Donnie Darko, if anyone gets the reference. grin

I would be proud of my 15 yo if his teachers thought he was smart and mature enough to read those books.

GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights Fri 14-Dec-12 12:50:42

Personally, as they are extra curricular reading, I would find equally challenging but more diverse and interesting authors. Not because I don't think these books should be available confused or read at this age, but to give better exposure to a wider range of viewpoints not often brought up in schools or 'classics' lists that extra reading books are a perfect area to explore.

Why the Caged Bird Sings is an excellent, challenging book, for example.

peeriebear Fri 14-Dec-12 12:55:31

Yet another thread where I open it and think "another wind up..."
Lolita is brilliant. Much more about the unlikeability and weakness of HH than anything titillating.

EdBird Fri 14-Dec-12 13:12:18

Thanks for this OP. Gave me a good giggle over lunch lol

ThePathanKhansWitch Fri 14-Dec-12 13:28:54

This is a stealth boast isn,t it?.

If you find Fifty shades of Shite, be afraid.grin.

notcitrus Fri 14-Dec-12 13:52:15

Pretty sure they were in the list of 100 classics to read that my English teacher gave us at that age.

Now if it was the Story of O, Justine by de Sade, and Fifty Shades, and it turned out the teacher had recommended them, (classic erotica but hardly a general classic, interesting historical artefact but unreadably obsessive, and pile of crap about drippy woman, respectively), you'd have a point. But if he'd just looked in the library for books most likely to have dirty bits, then good luck to him!

flow4 Fri 14-Dec-12 15:14:15

I'm really glad to see you familiarised yourself with these shocking books by reading them and summarising their plots before sharing your concerns, OP... You are clearly a responsible parent and I have full confidence that you will be able to deal with this situation appropriately.
(BTW< which one did you enjoy most?!)

LadyIsabellasHollyWreath Fri 14-Dec-12 15:31:15

I can imagine that a male teacher attempting to seduce a bright teenaged boy (since I think this is what the OP is pretending to be afraid of) might suggest he read Naked Lunch and possibly, at a stretch, Death in Venice. But he'd have to be a total idiot to think that Lolita would achieve his desired outcome.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Fri 14-Dec-12 15:39:32

That's nothing OP! At primary school age my sons were encouraged to read a dreadful book full of murder, rape, incest, slavery and other nastiness. Can't remember the title ... something like, the Bible?

I opened this thread expecting you'd found tin foil, lighters and a stash of illegal drugs!

Honestly, they're three brilliant books; don't worry about it. Just be glad it's not 50 Shades of crap Grey.

atacareercrossroads Fri 14-Dec-12 15:49:53

Great books, which is his fave?

Shagmundfreud Fri 14-Dec-12 15:59:53

"Lolita is vile. But it's part of the canon, dontcha know."

Lolita is NOT vile. Lolita is tender and full of pity. T'is one of my favourite books and is VERY moral.

Not so this: vile which really is perverse and truly, truly nasty. Don't let your kids read it!

AnyFuckerForAMincePie Fri 14-Dec-12 16:43:11

erk, shagmund, it makes you wonder what kind of mind could write "fiction" like that shock

LaCiccolina Fri 14-Dec-12 16:47:52

Dick for brains plainly...


lljkk Fri 14-Dec-12 17:10:38

Technically Lolita is a book about hebephilia, not paedophilia. Which are different levels of pervertedness, I think it can be argued. And it's not a book that glorifies it, anyway.

CheerfulYank Fri 14-Dec-12 17:54:52

I know plenty of people who find Lolita repugnant, and it's not because they "don't understand it."

I think it's beautifully written, and I'm always surprised anew that English is Nabakov's second language.

Actually, I think English is Nabakov's THIRD language, after Russian and French! shock

IMHO 'Lolita' is far less shocking than his novel 'Ada', featuring an incestous relationship between two (utterly amoral) siblings which starts when they are only 12 and 14.

OP not back yet? grin

flow4 Fri 14-Dec-12 18:49:06

The OP is probably busy reading... wink

extracrunchy Fri 14-Dec-12 18:50:06

This is ridiculous. These are all important works of literature. And it's not as though he won't already be aware of the subject matter.

OTheYuleManatee Fri 14-Dec-12 18:51:51


OP, have you seen what they put in computer games and films these days? Your son sounds delightful, taking an interest in classic works of literature, aspiring to medicine and taking reading recommendations from his teacher. And you 'confronted' him?

<dies laughing>

LeBFG Fri 14-Dec-12 19:35:44

The only disturbing thing (for me) is I really know someone in RL who is worse than OP shock. Seriously. She would have burnt OP's books had she found them - and probably classed Twilight as semi-pornographic....

mumzy Fri 14-Dec-12 19:36:55

Stealth boast methinks!

ImperialBlether Fri 14-Dec-12 19:48:27

I thought so too! Bragging again, OP?

LeBFG Tbf if I ever catch my DC with the Twilight books I'd burn them too grin

ripsishere Sat 15-Dec-12 00:23:40

And still she hasn't come back.

LineRunner Sat 15-Dec-12 00:25:27

You style of posting seems so familiar tonight, OP ...

I haven't read any of those books.

teapot5 Mon 17-Dec-12 12:35:37

I read and watched a film for the first two (Lolita and Death in Venice) when I was 12, and turned out ok (I think).

Fragglewump Thu 20-Dec-12 13:22:38

Omg that has made me laugh out loud!!!! I thought you have found an ice pipe and a blood stained knife or worse!!! It made me remember reading 'riders' and other crap racy novels in the loos at school. I think his tastes are very highbrow and I congratulate him!

Chubfuddler Thu 20-Dec-12 13:34:02

Lolita is a beautiful and disturbing book and I am very impressed at a 15 year old reading it for pleasure. As you are obviously familiar with the book op perhaps you should discuss it with your son, and see what he thinks of the idea that HH's corruption of Dolores is a metaphor for the corruption of the new world by the old; and whether he is taken in by HH's use of rich language to dress up his depraved behaviour? It's very complex and challenging stuff.

MrsKwaziipanFruits Thu 20-Dec-12 13:34:15

grin I love these kind of threads. I have an image of a 'very bad book' going around smoking ciggies, drinking blue WKD and shock bunking off.

The world's going to hell in a handcart don'tcha know!

Quick, burn those filthy books! Protest outside libraries and Waterstones! A 15-year old boy, almost able to get married and fight for his country, shouldn't be reading classics like these - have you checked inside the covers to make sure there's not a "Hot'n'Horny" in there?

Chubfuddler Thu 20-Dec-12 13:59:19

They're not the sort of books you'd want your wife or servants to read, to be sure.

There's nothing at all wrong with the literature you've listed, but your post itself leaves a bit to be desired in the readability department to be fair. This is obviously a wind-up, so I don't know why I'm bothering to type this, but here goes anyway...

Lolita is on the syllabus for AS Literature this year. That means that whole classes full of 16 year olds are reading this outrageous obscenity and may, as a result, end up becoming <whispers> "intellectuals" shock.

Get over yourself OP, or, failing that, go and have a long lie down in a darkened room with the Daily Mail (seemingly your "literature" of choice).

Chubfuddler - best comment I've read on here in a long time!

TreeDecoratingAndPresents Thu 20-Dec-12 14:15:41

gosh, I thought from the thread title that you'd found a collection of mutilated animal carcasses or something. I think you must be very lucky, for your biggest concern to be how to limit your son's education.

LynetteScavo Thu 20-Dec-12 14:20:26

Oh, FFS, I thought he had a a semi-automatic rifle or something.

Classic books? Pah!

toriaenator Fri 21-Dec-12 08:48:37

I am sorry, but this is rediculous. Hes not 4, hes 15! Heck, I was expecting to see that you had found pornography, not literary classics. Maybe he's curious because of the slightly dark or sexual topics but they are still classics and you should be glad hes taking an interest to reading at all.

I would say ease up; hes going to be exposed (if he isnt already) to much worse then a couple of books.

thewhistler Fri 21-Dec-12 14:20:26

Get over yourself. He's a boy he's 15 these things are interesting and topical.

I read Lolita at 15 - I loved it: was really challenging in a good way. Maybe the op is concerned at a theme developing - young victims - and this reflects pre-existing concerns about her son? So, if there is a range of books, she'd be fine, but if they all concentrate on young people meeting weird/sad endings not so good?

thewhistler Fri 21-Dec-12 15:17:17

"My " previous response was from my 15 yo Ds. He nearly added that I would have been thrilled had he been reading them. Sorry about the tone , but I agree with the message.

I read Tess at 11. That is about rape. Jane Eyre at 10. Exploitation. The bible, all that stuff about killing and cheating. Wuthering Heights, mental and physical cruelty. Shakespeare, much ado. Bits of dombey and son and Nicholas Nickleby.

On this basis most literature is banned.

eatyourveg Fri 21-Dec-12 19:52:31

We have 2 copies of Lolita here and Naked Lunch by William Burroughs is wrapped up under the tree with ds's name on. Pretty sure Death in Venice is on the school reading list.

They are all considered great works of literature - I find it quite extraordinary that you think a government should ban the public from reading them.

moonmoth88 Sat 22-Dec-12 23:47:58

re. Lolita & Death in Venice..are really well written books that deal with difficult subjects in context and for a smart kid give a safe space and insight into the darker realms of the adult world that impact on young people. Provoking thought and moral discussion. I think we as adults relate to the adults and feel really angry at their at their actions but I expect the teens identify with the young people in these novels and how some adults are not to be trusted and gives insight into their actions. The adult world is facinating & repulsive and may help them realise what power their youthfulness has.
Stuff/Flith kids exposed to on line far more worring.

omegasail Fri 10-May-13 17:48:25

When I was 15 i readed Fanny Hill Memories and The Diaries of Kristin or Sleeping Beauty witch is about BDSM with young teens. If you want him to read other books buy him Hustler or Playboy magazine...

jellybeans Sun 12-May-13 16:12:11

Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov was featured in my Childhood studies course..

I remember reading Jean M Auels 'The clan of the Cave Bear' at 13 which has some scenes in which an 11 year old girl is raped several times by a big hairy Neanderthal. I was a bit shock at that. It was in the school library too.

Her other books in the series are full of bonking stone age peeps. I remember there was a waiting list for the book can't think why

isitsnowingyet Tue 14-May-13 12:02:36

Get a grip OP

Whitewineformeplease Tue 14-May-13 12:23:15

Does anyone remember 'Forever' by Judy Blume? That was passed around my class when I was about 12, I think. With a little post-it attached with the page numbers of the dirty bits!

fuzzpig Tue 14-May-13 12:27:43

Zombie thread.

Wonder if OP's DS has recovered from his terrifying reading material yet.

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