Fifteen year old daughter using shisha pen?

[ChildishRevolution]

I saw my daughter use an electronic shisha pen and she states that it is nicotine free and tar free.. Should i trust her?

[Theas18]

Should you trust her? Ha she ever given you reason not too?

They are all tar free but the nicotine containing liquids should apparently only be sold to smokers..... like that'll work!

it's a step too close to actually developing a smoking habit IMHO.

[ChildishRevolution]

well she has sneaked out to places at night without permission..

[lottie82]

As a guideline, these are not supposed to be sold to under 18s.

[AnarchoSyndicalistMumofthree]

They are very likely less harmfui than smoking tobacco but truthfully no one knows if vapourising these products is safe.

I wouldn't worry as there are many worse things imho.

Em

[FabMumDebs]

"They are very likely less harmfui than smoking tobacco but truthfully no one knows if vapourising these products is safe.

I wouldn't worry as there are many worse things imho.

Em"

[FabMumDebs]

"They are very likely less harmfui than smoking tobacco but truthfully no one knows if vapourising these products is safe.

I wouldn't worry as there are many worse things imho.

Em"

Hit post by accident on the last post. We do know they are safe and the 3 main ingredients are: (abbreviated)

Pg: used in nhs air ventilation systems to kill off bacteria and help prevent the spread of infection since the 50's. Works by drying the bacteria out. In which means it will dehydrate you if you don't up the liquid intake. (Carries flavour and produces little vapour)

Vg: Vegetable extract, naturally broken down by our body's and converted into lactic acid. (Carries little flavour but produces much more vapour)

Flavouring: is what it is... Used and consumed by us for a very long time now.

Fog machines in nightclubs/ theatres etc are essentially a huge vapouriser with a fan attached to the front to propel the vapour out.

There are many many many reports on the internet that can be found that prove this. It's just they won't show you on the 'mainstream news' as it will lead to a huge loss of tax revenue for the government. Keeping people addicted to cigarettes is what they want secretly.

I'm not saying kids should have these, they aren't legally allowed to be sold to under 18's if they contain nicotine anyway. On the side of the bottle it says toxic, that is the actual nicotine itself and not the other ingredients. It can be absorbed through the skin and should be washed off straight away. Although, tbh, I have it on my hands all day long and I've never been affected. The concentrations in the actual mixed juice are obviously not strong enough to affect me. And I vape 16mg / ml which is considered medium. The more nicotine you have, the more of a throat hit you get. The only way to explain this is that the vapour feels more dense as you inhale. People don't always go for higher nicotine because they are more addicted.

Just to add, to get your blood levels up to the same level as someone who has just finished a cigarette, you would need to be vaping for 30 minutes at 24mg/ml. (Roughly) the vapours molecules are 10x bigger in size due to being wrapped in pg and vg and cannot reach the smaller nooks and crannies like smoke can.

Do yourself a favour everyone and make sure you research things for yourself. Don't take the daily news report as 100% truth. They've got a habit of twisting their words as I know everyone here knows that already.

[FabMumDebs]

Where the bad bit comes in is;

They are unregulated so any tom dick or Harry can sell e liquid. Although they contain the same ingredients, the grade is not known and therefore may contain contaminants. If you look on the internet, there are decent suppliers out there who have been tested and approved by a vaping community. Larger companies tend to take advantage and order cheap ingredients from china. Who knows what's in the cheap stuff.

Once again, this is an adult hobby/ activity and children should be discouraged IMHO.

[alita7]

I think I'd rather my 15 year old was smoking this than real cigarettes (which a lot of 15 year olds will at least try) and if that is the new 'cool' rebellion then Yay! less our kids are being somewhat protected from real smoking :)

I wouldn't actively encourage it, I'd tell her my reasons why not to etc but I wouldn't confiscate it or anything. I wouldn't let her use it on my property!

[fairlytiredtonight]

My 15 year old dd also bought one of these at the local market. It was bubblegum flavour. She showed it to me and I tried it. She asked if I was annoyed about it and I said no. It was tried a couple of times and she left it to one side and hasn't used it for weeks.

I'm sure it would have been a lot more exciting if I'd banned it

[leedsgirl231]

I've smoked since I was 13. No problem. I use shisha and have done since the same time (maybe before, behind parent's back) and she may be right, my shisha pen is red bull flavoured, no nicotine, no tar.

[leedsgirl231]

and as a guideline, i got mine from the internet. you are allowed to smoke at 14, just people aren't allowed to sell it to you until 18.