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how do you deal with a teen that argues back at every request?

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bumpybecky · 31/03/2012 20:06

This is no where near as serious as most of the other threads on here, but we're stuck and thought there might be some teen experts on this board [fingers crossed!]

dd1 is 13 and is bloody hard work :( she argues back constantly and ignores all requests made of her. Nothing is ever her fault and she has a major attack of drama queen-itis on top for good measure.

Pretty much every time we ask her to do something she answers to the effect that she doesn't see why she should have to do that. Things like picking up her clothes from the stairs and eating dinner (any dinner, not all of it, or something she doesn't like - just some food!) Hmm she has an answer for everything, and it's never the same answer as ours :(

It's hard to explain how frustrating this is. I know she's not happy but she just cannot seem to understand that she needs to comply with house rules - basically that if she's asked to do something, she tries to do it!

We're not expecting perfect behaviour all the time, but being civil to everyone in the house most of the time and not arguing back would be a good start.

We've had CAHMS support in the past (ended 2+ years ago) as she was shoplifting and stealing at school (that has stopped now). To be honest although it helped at the time, I'm not sure it would help again. It was rather wishy washy and she was quite agreeable then! she's always fine for everyone else - school is good, family members find her reasonable and fairly polite - it's just at home she's a different person.

Any suggestions?

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ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 20:34

Do you notice she's particularly bad at certain times of the month? Is there any time when you could say to her, "I know things are tough for you at the moment. What can we do to make you feel better?"

I know you are suffering (and I've been there so I'm really not downplaying it) but she is, too. When they behave like that, they're clearly unhappy and angry and it's probably worse if they don't know why they feel like that.

Have you tried taking her to the doctor?

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bumpybecky · 31/03/2012 21:31

She started her periods about 6months ago. We'd been marking the calendar for a while beforehand as she is worse on a cyclical basis. Her period isn't due for a couple of weeks though and she's was particularly horrible last weekend and kicked off again tonight.

I know she's angry and unhappy, but she won't talk to me or her Dad at the moment. She just complains we don't listen to her. We are listening, it's what she's saying isn't reasonable so we don't agree with her!

I've not taken her to a doctor for a long time. Not sure what help / suggestions they can offer though?

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bumpybecky · 31/03/2012 22:27

I've seen that book recommended before, will order now thanks :)

I tried the calmly repeating the request earlier, she eventually screeched at me and walked off!

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ImperialBlether · 01/04/2012 00:06

My mood was always worse mid-cycle.

A doctor can prescribe something to help her with her moods. I know when I suffered from PND I needed help. I think a teenager suffering from her cycles will need help, too. At the very least it forces her to talk about her moods.

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mummmsy · 01/04/2012 00:13

ok as a (young) mum who suffers from pmdd, i can highly recommend PROSAC! for fortnight before period. also, withdrawing all housekeeping services should buck her ideas up Wink

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nooka · 01/04/2012 00:14

My ds is like this, just argue argue argue. Including last weekend about some totally trivial point with his sister who had a migraine at the time. He just didn't seem able to stop. However I can't get too mad with him because I was exactly the same. I think that as others have said you just have to keep calm and not back down. I know that part of the reason I argued with my mother is because I was/am a lazy lump and sometimes it worked (although the arguing almost certainly took more energy than complying with the perfectly reasonable request).

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AnyFucker · 01/04/2012 00:21

Sounds normal to me

Doesn't make it any less fucking frustrating and hard work to deal with though

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ivykaty44 · 01/04/2012 00:23

arguments are a way of getting attention, they are a great way of getting a lot of attention and it work every time she says no - the attention happens.

Do you have other children in the household?

I would say don't engage with the argument.

Wash basket in her room - only clothes in the wash basket get washed - clothes on the floor get ignored

If she wants to eat at meal times - fine. If she doesn't want to eat then ignore but make sure you don't buy any snacks for eating between meals, other than fruit.

What else will she not do or doesn't want to do.

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suburbophobe · 01/04/2012 00:30

I agree about withdrawing all housekeeping and pocket money....

Prosac? If that is Prozac, I know people who commited suicide coming off that...Shock

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BackforGood · 01/04/2012 00:34

Agree with AF.
What I try (that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't) is calmly reminding them they have a,b,c,d,e,and f to do if they want me to take them wherever that night. Don't get into nagging, don't get into being cross - keep it as a simple fact.
Also what often works well here is a choice.....there are these 3 jobs to do - which do you want to do, before I give your sisters a choice.

I find I get a better response if I give them some kind of choice / control over bits of their day or even their life. I point out things like they have these jobs to do, these homeworks, and they want to go out to such and such at this time - how are they going to organise the time? So - ds has his GCSEs coming up. When we aren't arguing, I remind him of how few days there actually are left until the exams start. I point out he needs to fit in so many hours per day in the school holidays, then I ask him what time he wants me to get him up..... he still has some control- I'm not dragging him out of bed at 8am, or writing timetables for him.

It doesn't work all the time! (I wish Grin) but life seems a bit smoother when I apply the theory.

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mummmsy · 01/04/2012 00:40

yes prosac Shock

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flow4 · 01/04/2012 08:25

It does sound pretty normal... BUT you say she's had CAMHS support before, so there are some underlying MH issues, and you've posted on here... so I'm guessing your instincts are telling you something is wrong. Even if you can't work out what, you're right to be alert.
Someone else said something on another post (I can't remember who or where) that stuck in my head and that may be relevant here... They said that when teens complain "You never listen to me!" they often actually mean that they have something that is too difficult for them to SAY. I think this is true. So maybe it would help to provide her with 'sideways talking opportunities' (car journeys, washing up) that teens seem to find easier... Or maybe counselling would be a good idea...

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AnyFucker · 01/04/2012 11:10

My "pretty normal" wasn't meant to be dismissive last night, please don't take it that way.

My dd is just like you described, and she has no MH issues...it's just me that is close to a bloody nervous breakdown Smile

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ragged · 01/04/2012 11:22

I remember arguing with absolutely everything my mother said, it just became a bad habit! I think in OP's situation I would try a separate conversation, to ask her not to argue with everything. Else try to engage with "Well, do you think your clothes should just stay on the stairs forever? When should they be picked up? Do you plan to get angry when someone kicks them on the floor steps on them with a dirty shoe?"

And then presumably when that proved pointless I'd resort to the stonewalling suggestion from Cybbo.

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AnyFucker · 01/04/2012 11:32

Today, I am on yet another Fresh Start with dd (about a thousand now....and counting)

she has her gcse's starting in a couple of weeks, and I cannot tell you how hard she has made it for herself, and the rest of the family (documented elsewhere, and the same old boring stuff, tbh). The defiance and arguments have been a deflection tactic.

but, every day is a new day, right ? Today we start again < sigh >

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Lovemygirls · 01/04/2012 11:44

I havent read the whole thread as I'm on my way out but my dd1 is almost 13 and we've been having this for years we actually turned a corner when she was ill for about 2 weeks over christmas 2010 and she was lay on the sofa being very quiet and she realised that actually life was a lot calmer and happier when she wasn't causing grief, also dh and i had a break from it and found the strength to tackle it, be consistant and united as soon as she well and started it all again we stamped it out we gave her 2 choices do as you are told or go to bed early/ dont have your phone/ no tv etc

We also gave her room a make over so she had more storage, more mirrors, a bigger tv, grown up wall paper etc she loves it so much she keeps it immaculate and it also gives her a nice space to go and chill or do home work.

We have been giving her a bit more freedom too which is enjoying but if she cheeks us/ won't do as she is told we reign her freedom in but we don't ground her.

We listen to her opinions, we may not agree with them but we listen anyway then explain calmly why she might not get what she wants for e.g. she wanted to change schools the other day because she doesn't want to wear her blazer - obviously not happening but we told her she had 24hrs to seriously consider if it was worth ruining her education for an item of clothing, at 1st she shouted she hated us (which we made her apologise for when she had calmed down) we also said if she says that then we are good parents and doing our job right Wink She has chosen not to change schools.

I hth a bit, I also read how to talk to so teens will listen and that has helped a lot too.

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OlympicEater · 01/04/2012 11:45

Having started reading the "get out of my life..." book, what has worked for us is:

not engaging, stay calm, bite tongue count to 100000000 but do not engage in the argument, repeat the same phrase over and over in a calm voice

anything left on the floor in bedrooms is their problem, I shut the door and ignore it

anything left lying round in the rest of the house gets a 3 strike approach - if not moved on third time, it goes in a bin bag and gets put in a special place the location of which I frequently forget at the time that said important item is needed

washing only gets washed if it is in the laundry basket

giving over some control - like backforgood give them choices so it is not a flat parent decision - they choose one of the options that you want them to do

lifts are at my discretion - if you've been a PITA then you don't get them

screen time, pocket money and clothing allowance are not an entitlement, they can be earned through homework / chores / general nice behaviour

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KateF · 01/04/2012 11:52

You have my sympathies Becky, am going through similar with dd1 at twelve and a half. Am part way through the "Get out of my life..." book and really recommend it. The bit that has worked for me so far is the just not getting drawn into protracted arguments because this is what they want, to deflect attention from what you have asked them to do. At the very least, the book will reassure you that you are not alone and it is not your fault!

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bumpybecky · 05/04/2012 17:18

sorry, wasn't ignoring, we went away for a couple of days :) we even brought dd1 back home, so she can't have been that bad! Wink

the book arrived while we were away, but I've not had a chance to look at it properly yet

I think the comments above about not engaging are right - I do get better results with the broken record thing, just calmly (or as near as I can get to calm anyway) repeating the request

will try an start reading this week and see how we go, in the meantime things have calmed down a bit, so perhaps there are hormones involved too

thanks for the reports of other stroppy teens - it helps to know we're not alone :)

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SecondhandRose · 07/04/2012 08:37

We only only pay pocket money for clean and tidy bedrooms, this wasnt working as neither child could be bothered so we upped the amount of money quite considerably and the change has been amazing. Well in DD anyway as she is working hard to keep things nice in her room. DS hasnt quite grasped the idea of using a bin etc so his pocket money did not arrive this week. He bad his birthday last week so he still has money from that but it will dry up fairly soon.

I do get frustrated with my two, they sleep until lunchtime and then they mostly moan or want lifts. That's life with teenagers I suppose but they are good kids really.

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