So sad :-(

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Some of you may remember last year I started a thread about a lone guinea pig at a party my eldest DD went to... (don't know how to link)...

Just chatting to the friend, and I mentioned our girls have been in with all the bad weather (6 inches of snow here)... I made the stupid mistake of asking after the piggy I so desperately wanted to adopt sad

She said they havent changed anything with regards to him... he is outside... All on his own... And I know this is stupid but I almost cried and I again asked if I could have him! Her reply was 'don't start all that again'

So now having just given my girls some treats and cuddles I just feel so sad for him!

God, I need a slap! I can do nothing about it, don't even know why I'm posting tbh... Maybe just needed to say I wish people wouldn't get pets they dot fucking want or can't look after -- as good as me -- at all!!

Rant over....

I remember this thread- I thought you were going to say that the little boar had died.

sad thing is his life in winter would be worse. I bet those grandchildren won't be so keen to take him out or play with him.

But say it on here- people shouldn't get pets that they don't want to look after or CBA finding out about how to look after. (I'm sure alot of people benefit greatly from Super Furry. I wasn't boar savvy , but I did posting and searches on t'internet before they came to live with us)

Poor little guy- will he survive the winter? he's managed so far but I've noticed this year is worse than last year.
angry

Must stop looking on GumTree too.
Blood pressure.

When I think about how much more looking after my girls need in winter, with regards to cleaning etc it makes me so fucking angry that he should be tucked up safe and warm sad angry

guineapiglet Mon 21-Jan-13 19:59:34

Hi both - have just posted on the other guinea thread about this very topic - why on earth do people bother - the answer is that they are not willingly cruel, but they just dont get animals AT ALL or understand their needs - it is a kind of negligence, but basically their lives are full of other things and animals are way down on their list. ( Or they get them to please the kids who have no knowledge of how to look after them - this is why I think there should be more checks. When we got our rescue dog we were interrogated about 5 times, home checked etc -)

I know how much we all worried about this little chap when you tried so hard to get him - Im sure there are so many little souls out there who are sad and lonely - so make the most of your happy, contented guineas, they deserve itsmile

It's not just the cold and damp though. He's alone isn't he?
Your girls have got each other to cuddle, chat to (scrap with grin )

My boys were in Fri (because we had snow and I reckoned the school would close so I might have to dash off) and Sunday because it was grim.

But I was out putting their heater and heat pads out 30 mins before they went.
Surprisingly their water hasn't frozen overnight.

But indoors, they've got less space so DD and I have given them lots of cuddle and chat.
They are hard work (especially at 6.30am smile ) but they're faaaaamily.

ratbagcatbag Mon 21-Jan-13 20:14:30

Can you not steal him and rehome him (obv once snows gone so no footprints) I might know someone that did this with a really poorly neglected dog, it was kept outside in a tiny pen covered in muck, she offered to buy it they said no, she reported it and nothing happened and it was outside innall weathers sad in the end she might have rang someone she knew miles away on a farm and taken it there. Not the best plan but sometimes you can see why people do it. Dogs living life of Riley now.

ratbag we tried to co-erce the OP into PigNapping him last summer.
But it would've been mighty suspicious if he'd gone missing.

You know how sometimes some posts stick in your memory- just a line or a phrase?
The one that struck me and lodged in my head was the owner (it wasn't the op's friend IIRC it was her friends mum) saying "I don't even like him that much".

So sad.
That and the Guinea-Pig in the Bucket (not an out & out cruelty case. More the owners got over-run and overwhelmed. And had to separate a boar .Neglect really)

ratbag you have no idea how much I want to... I offered to buy him last year and I was told the grandchildren like to play with him when they go to the nans house sad

The rest of the time he is ignored... sad

I'v got to put him out if my head but I feel awful tonight...

Think it's because I'm with my own thoughts!! Damn DP for being at work and damn DDs for being asleep!!

YY to 70 I remember her saying that sad

BonkeyMollocks Mon 21-Jan-13 21:17:43

sad

I feel myself getting all ranty again! angry

I saw your other post on that thread bonkey I agree with everything you said... sad

BonkeyMollocks Mon 21-Jan-13 21:23:39

Sleeping Have you offered to take him again?

Threaten the guinea police! (aka the MN Super Furry Massive) wink

I did bonkey she said to 'stop trying to make me
Feel bad, I can't MAKE my mum give him to you!' and laughed to keep it lighthearted sad

I feel really bad for the poor little thing...

BonkeyMollocks Mon 21-Jan-13 21:29:32

Ditch the friend and threaten the mum!

<in a take no prisoners mood>

BonkeyMollocks Mon 21-Jan-13 21:31:28

Have you spoken to the mum again?

I rescued a horse once - I tried for weeks non stop until the bastard finally gave in! I actually think he wanted to get rid on me more than anything else hmm but it worked!

sad I hate thinking of him there all alone, no friends, probably fucking freezing... Why do people do it??!

silver73 Mon 21-Jan-13 21:38:20

Report to the RSPCA their guidance say that pigs should not be kept alone.

BonkeyMollocks Mon 21-Jan-13 21:40:59

Silver Rspca will just 'give them advice' and more than likely leave them to it!

I have no faith in them whatsoever!

Said horse ^ had a pussing bleeding abbess under her chin - was bones and could barely stand - all in the middle of winter and they did naff all! sad

That said - what it may do is push the mum to give him him up!

They won't do anything... I know they won't, to them it will be 'just' a guinea

namechangecity Mon 21-Jan-13 21:46:42

I would kidnap it - needs must.

I can't. There's no way of getting into the garden...

< wonders if a piggy nap is actually possible >

silver73 Mon 21-Jan-13 23:16:04

Maybe make up a story asking to "borrow" him for a few days as a companion for your girls? Once he is gone she will notice there is no work to be done cleaning out and feeding etc and then offer to buy him off her?

KRITIQ Mon 21-Jan-13 23:37:33

Ha, I suddenly remembered a "dog nap" I was an accessory to told about that had a very happy outcome for said dog!

It's so hard not to think about this pig, and all the others, and the buns and even the dogs, cats, horses and heaven knows what other animals obtained as toys or ornaments or status symbols or all three. Since I was a child, I've always felt that you can tell alot about how humane a person is with other people by the way they treat animals. Now, I know some people don't like animals, or have an issue with a specific type of animal (e.g. spiders, snakes, even dogs,) but so long as they choose not to take responsibility for looking after one, that's not an issue.

The older I get, the less patience I have with people who are cruel like this wondering if I am turning into my mother who actually didn't like animals much, but was less inclined to suffer fools gladly the older she got! smile I think I'd have given the awful excuse for a human an earful.

Yes, perhaps offer to look after/bath/some excuse the little guy and just refuse to give him back. They're hardly likely to call the police. It sounds like the kind of "friend" it would be worth shedding anyhow, so I won't worry about pissing them off.

The RSPCA have their hands tied a bit. Regulations are really minimal when it comes to the keeping of most animals. For pigs and buns, it's mostly just having a bare minimum size enclosure, food and water (which could have just been put there for the visit.)

This is of course sad but would it make the little fella even more depressed to experience a kind warm home with other pigs for a short while and then return him to an unsatisfactory home?

At the beginning of your post sleepingbunnies I expected you to have said he had died from the cold. And I think you must prepare yourself, for this maybe the outcome of his sad situation sad.

silver73 Tue 22-Jan-13 01:33:45

If you can manage to look after him for a bit I doubt they will want him back. Could you make an excuse that you want your girlies to have babies so he would need to live with you for a time? If she does not like him then she will be happy to not have to do anything for him surely?

We could learn some lessons from Sweden - do you think the power of mumsnet could help?

www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44610

guineapiglet Tue 22-Jan-13 10:19:09

Hi all, it was obviously rant day yesterday, I ranted on another thread and then had to go and have a very strong coffee with a brandy in it - as I said there, there are three types of people a) those who understand and are on the same 'wavelength' as their pets, b) those who like animals, but dont really get them and are therefore not cruel but are neglectful and c) those who exploit them for money and dont a give a stuff about what happens to them. Agree with everything that has been said by you all, you CAN judge people by how they treat their animals, with dignity and understanding and these are usually the nicest type of people. Fortified is right, in that for him to experience love and kindness might be even worse for him, in that you may have to hand him back. Poor little mite.

I told some of you about a guinea who arrived at my house on Christmas Eve, in a cage full of broken glass and fag ends, not much turns my stomach, but that did. It was so wonderful to be able to clean her out, feed her properly, spoil her and gradually, over time, watch her change, become chatty and bossy, her coat become glossy, and she became part of the family. I had hoped you would be able to do this for this little chap sleeping, and this is why I think getting pets from rescues is such a great joy.

guineapiglet Tue 22-Jan-13 10:23:31

PS I did have dark thought which is a bit out there....

You could do exactly what Silver says, and borrow him for a while. You could then sadly explain to your friend that he had died, in the meantime either 'hiding' him at yours or finding one of us out here to have him ( where are you?)

< seriously hoping no officers of the law are reading this>
<goes back to reading crime novel>

It must be very hard to police 'small pets' tho' - the more I hear and see of them, the more I realise some of these little furries have no quality of life at all. sad

BonkeyMollocks Tue 22-Jan-13 10:43:15

I completely agree with guinea and fortified that you can tell alot from someone by the way they treat their animals!

Sleeping Do you want to know what I would do?

I would speak to the mum, calmly explain that she is (meaning to or not) making the pigs life a misery and I am now giving her the option of accepting £x amount for him now and letting me take him home or I will be calling the RSPCA because she is obviously incapable of listening to advice from her daughter or her friend. <insert passive aggressive smile>

Depending on the outcome, I would be prepared with the cash and a carrier and get the hell out of there quick with him or I would have the RSPCA line ready on my phone and call them on her doorstep in front of her preferably and report a cruelty case.

If she gives him up I would grit my teeth and stay polite until I had him. Say that her grandkids are welcome to see him if they wish (I bet they don't) .

I am not a confrontational person but I found my bollocks somewhere when I was trying to get the horse I mentioned up thread. I could not bear to leave her as she was. I would have taken stole her if I thought she could have walked to my field . I got her in the end!

('cuse my language here - feels wrong sometime swearing in this topic hmm ).

If all that fails - Rugby tackle her then lock her in a cage in freezing temps, alone, and living in her own shit and see how she fucking likes it angry
But some people need a taste of their own fucking medicine! angry

BonkeyMollocks Tue 22-Jan-13 10:44:14

BTW don't count on the RSPCA to do anything but the call may be enough!

I re-read the original thread (it was early Sept time before the DC went back to school.And lovely warm weather still).

sleeping offered money, a new home, to "borrow" the boar to breed with her girls (on a pretence, her ladies are too mature for that shenaligans)

IIRC they wanted to OP to look after the GP while they were away, but were still determined to keep him.
Sleeping agreed with the thread that to give this little boy a taste of Paradise then whisk it away , was unfair.
He'd have got attention, company from the sows next door, good food, wash and claw clip.
Then back to reality sad

Oh and (according to the pig's owner) they don't neglect him they "feed him loads" hmm. There's more to it than opening a door and shoving in carrot.

I'v just text her again and asked if I can have him... I just can't get him out of my head...

Im going to call the rspca tomorrow....

sleeping a guinea in a cage on his own in September is bad enough.
To be in an outdoor cage on his own in this weather is unnacceptable.

At least a pair of GPs can share body heat.
Do they put a cover & insulation on the cage or is the little soul just tucked away in the sleeping box.
(My GP2 got really stiff legs once when he sat in his hay box and just cuddled into the hay. He walked down the ramp -DD liked to put them on the carpeted ramp to make them excercise a bit for their supper, He sort of rolled his legs rather than do his little hedgehog walk. Only lasted a few hours. But we reckoned h'd just got seized up from inactivity. Lazy beast)
So sitting in one spot, huddled against the cold. Poor thing sad

We'll await updates and offer advice (nicely now Bonkey )

Sisclaimer: I know alot of owners keep their hogs outside happily. But that with lots of extra bedding and protection.
I'm betting this boy isn't getting this standard of care.
(just in case any Outdoor Hog People thought I was criticizing . Mine are In-and-Out Hogs)

Her reply to my message last night was 'hahaha, i'l im ignoring that message xxx'

I will call the RSPCA today on my lunch break... sad

I have tried one more time and just text to say i'l keep him for the winter and wil give him back when it gets warmer... Not holding my breath sad

BonkeyMollocks Wed 23-Jan-13 11:09:34

Sleeping Your asking the wrong person if its her mums!

You need to be speaking to her directly!

Don't have the mums number and tbh her mum is a bit of a hard faced cow so appealing to her better nature won't work....

Hoping my friend can make her see sense...

The RSPCA will most likely advice but whether they would take the GP, I don't know.

But if they gave her the option of taking the pig, would they let you have 'first refusal' or would he end up in rescue. (But it sounds like if he does end up in a guinea-rescue then at least he'd be looked after and have company)

You're going to have to keep the gentle pressure up (and the RSPCA intervention)

sad

BonkeyMollocks Wed 23-Jan-13 12:34:09

The best they will do us pop round for a chat and give some advise.

Then they should go back to see if any improvements have even made. Whether they will ire.not depends on who deals with it I spose .

At worst - nothing.

I feel like saying fuck it and going round there and demanding she gives him to me!!! Her fucking excuses are disgusting and even if she doesn't want to do it she is depriving him of a life because her grandchildren like to poke him once in a while sad angry

Does his hutch have any sort of protection sleeping.
If it's exposed (ie open-fronted) then deffo RSPCA.

I know they give temp guides on when a pig hutch should be sheltered (like in a shed at least) or a proper cover.

They might take action if he's not protected?

No protection it is in a shed though, I am assuming they shut the shed door at night...

I know I just have to stop thinking about him and just stop going on about something I cannot change sad doing my head in sad

silver73 Wed 23-Jan-13 20:06:22

This poor little pig is not a living toy. Can you tell RSPCA that if they don't do something you will go to your MP?

This is making me feel sick so I can only imagine how aweful this is making you feel...

What about gett

silver73 Wed 23-Jan-13 20:07:21

Sorry posted too soon... what about getting advice from your local guinea pig rescue they will have dealt with similar situations

MariusEarlobe Wed 23-Jan-13 20:30:22

My boys are inside , it's too cold out, I had the heating on for them the other day in their room even though It was freezing in the room I was in!

I missed your original thread, has he always been alone?

My mum has two ratties. I've already told her that if one dies I am taking the other so it's not lonely!

Yup he has always been alone sad makes me fucking angry that pet shops sell them singulary angry!!

I am going to ask for her mums number to see if I can speak to her...

RSPCA can now seize an animal before they get to the neglected stage. (IIRC they used to have to wait-sometime too late- until it was suffering until they could move in)

YY to having another word with the pig's owner. If he's in a shed now he's protected from wind and the elements but he's out of the way now isn't he.
They might wander down to feed him, but I'll guess they aren't taking him out.

My boys shed gets down to 0c overnight (they aren't in it at night just now) but their water bowl doesn't freeze (I give them fresh in the morning )

When the heater is set on and they havve their assorted Spoiled RatBag snugglies, it's about 14-16c . Nice, ambient temperature, lots of hay. They are snug when I lift them. Indoor they are away from the radiator with a fleece cover for night.

Fingers crossed for the number...

I am just upsetting myself thinking about him sad

Just another thought sleeping.
If she says she's keeping the pig for her grandchildren-
and if you do get him-

do you think she'd be the type to get another GP or rabbit for them? sad

I can't understand why she wants to keep him when she's got minimal interest in his care. And you are on side to rehome him.
I can't see what either party (the boar and the grandmother) is getting from this situation.
Can the GP live with the grandchildren at their house? Would he get looked after better there or do they not have the space?

Nope he can't, my friend gave him to her mum because she couldnt be arsed with him in my opinion...

None of te other grandchildren will have him. It would involve their parents giving a shit sad

I know I should put him out of my mind... Part of me would be relieved
To be told he had passed... It's no fucking life he's having sad

KRITIQ Thu 24-Jan-13 11:51:45

What an absolute douchecanoe she was to reply like that. It's not just that she doesn't give a stuff about the welfare of a living creature, she doesn't give a stuff that you are distressed. She thinks it's funny. angry

I actually doubt the RSPCA will help very much. Even if they visit, the will probably just give some advice, a leaflet and leave, unless the animal is seriously injured, has no food or water or is in a very tiny enclosure. However, if you CAN get them to visit, at least it will be an embarrassment to her - van pulling up, inspectors going in, etc. I have a feeling that won't change her mind though. She's convinced she's right, you're being stupid and it's perfectly acceptable to treat a living creature as you would a toy that's no fun to play with anymore.

I'm thinking stupid things, like picketing her house, starting a petition against her
on the Petition Site, telling her neighbours door to door.

Is the granny a sociopath as well? I'm guessing yes.

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